Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
I've more than once driven a ICE car slowly to conserve fuel and so get to the next garage...
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
I now have a petrol Jag which replaced my diesel Jag after a RTA at the beginning of this year. The diesel was the bigger car (XF v XE) and the tanks are approximately the same size. What I have been stunned at is that a full tank of diesel gave me about 630 miles and a full tank of petrol only gives me 430. It really puts the few extra pence per litre for diesel into perspective. Having switched from one to the other I have had several episodes of range anxiety and occasions where I have had to be ripped off by service stations charging extortionate amounts for fuel.
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
Out of anxiety or cause the driver is tight? There is definitely a phenomenon of the latter amongst many EV owners...
(Which I don't understand at all tbh, the best way to drive a Tesla, like any other car, is like you stole it)
Forget the rise of Reform. More interested in the cost of plastering if anyone has recent experience.
Think we paid £500 for the kitchen and a hallway wall to be done back in August
About £620 for a day's work in the new shop last year. Bargain tbh. It's just about the messiest trades job, and requires a fair bit of skill that cannot be easily shortcutted by technology.
I'd want about £1500 for the same amount of effort!
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
I now have a petrol Jag which replaced my diesel Jag after a RTA at the beginning of this year. The diesel was the bigger car (XF v XE) and the tanks are approximately the same size. What I have been stunned at is that a full tank of diesel gave me about 630 miles and a full tank of petrol only gives me 430. It really puts the few extra pence per litre for diesel into perspective. Having switched from one to the other I have had several episodes of range anxiety and occasions where I have had to be ripped off by service stations charging extortionate amounts for fuel.
Certainly in my job 430 miles really isn't far.
Diesel vs petrol mileage is essentially chemistry. Diesel is mainly molecules with 12 to 20 carbon atoms. Petrol is mainly 4 to 12 carbons. Hence diesel is more energy dense. (Actual density - petrol is 0.71-0.78 g ml-1, diesel 0.82-0.85 g, ml-1).
Again just more nonsense. The benefit is not means tested, so those who want a nicer car can put money towards a nicer car. Hairshirt headline grabbing which will do nothing for the benefits bill.
compared to the PIP amount given up it is massively subsidised.
Plus no 20% VAT. It is hugely subsidised compared to privately purchased vehicles.
Abolish PIP and tax everyone the same. Problem solved.
Want a car? Get a job and pay for it out of your wages.
Do you mean abolish PIP or abolish Motability?
Abolish PIP. Everyone needs transport, just pay for it out of your wages, same as everyone else.
I'd have a scheme to pay for eg wheelchairs if required, but transport? Just pay for it as everyone else has to.
PIP isn't just about getting around Barty. You've kneejerking a bit too hard.
The mobility element is.
Just scrap it and scrap taxes on transport so that people can afford transport without a subsidy.
Ah, so you didn't mean abolish PIP. Did you just say that to get some attention?
No, its called context. We were talking about the mobility element of PIP, we were talking about Motability, so you should be able to infer from context what is being spoken about.
Anyway, you did hit a nail on the head, as the problem is the amount of bullshit being said to get some attention, but its not from me.
Any time this is discussed you get absurd extremes like "can not go to the toilet by themselves" as justification for funding which then translates to Motability vehicles.
I am curious how many people lie in the intersection of the Venn Diagram that they are both incapable of going to the toilet by themselves, but capable of handling a motor vehicle and getting a driving licence, without being a danger to themselves or others.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd imagine that anyone capable of getting and holding a drivers licence, without being a hazard to themselves or others, would generally be capable of going to the bathroom without assistance from third parties.
Unless you mean something absurd by "can not go to the toilet by themselves" such as they actually can go by themselves.
Such a person would be able to get a mobility vehicle to be driven by a carer
Why? For what purpose?
The carer should be able to have their own vehicle.
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
I now have a petrol Jag which replaced my diesel Jag after a RTA at the beginning of this year. The diesel was the bigger car (XF v XE) and the tanks are approximately the same size. What I have been stunned at is that a full tank of diesel gave me about 630 miles and a full tank of petrol only gives me 430. It really puts the few extra pence per litre for diesel into perspective. Having switched from one to the other I have had several episodes of range anxiety and occasions where I have had to be ripped off by service stations charging extortionate amounts for fuel.
Certainly in my job 430 miles really isn't far.
I've never driven a petrol car, so I've been scratching my head at those that do talking about 53mpg as a good rate of fuel efficiency.
I am hoping that EV cars will have a range of 1000km by the time we have to scrap our current car.
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
Out of anxiety or cause the driver is tight? There is definitely a phenomenon of the latter amongst many EV owners...
(Which I don't understand at all tbh, the best way to drive a Tesla, like any other car, is like you stole it)
So how far does your car go on a charge? This might explain why you have never had range anxiety
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
I now have a petrol Jag which replaced my diesel Jag after a RTA at the beginning of this year. The diesel was the bigger car (XF v XE) and the tanks are approximately the same size. What I have been stunned at is that a full tank of diesel gave me about 630 miles and a full tank of petrol only gives me 430. It really puts the few extra pence per litre for diesel into perspective. Having switched from one to the other I have had several episodes of range anxiety and occasions where I have had to be ripped off by service stations charging extortionate amounts for fuel.
Certainly in my job 430 miles really isn't far.
Diesel vs petrol mileage is essentially chemistry. Diesel is mainly molecules with 12 to 20 carbon atoms. Petrol is mainly 4 to 12 carbons. Hence diesel is more energy dense. (Actual density - petrol is 0.71-0.78 g ml-1, diesel 0.82-0.85 g, ml-1).
I was vaguely aware of this but the difference is far more pronounced than I expected despite, as I said, a significantly lighter car.
Again just more nonsense. The benefit is not means tested, so those who want a nicer car can put money towards a nicer car. Hairshirt headline grabbing which will do nothing for the benefits bill.
compared to the PIP amount given up it is massively subsidised.
Plus no 20% VAT. It is hugely subsidised compared to privately purchased vehicles.
Abolish PIP and tax everyone the same. Problem solved.
Want a car? Get a job and pay for it out of your wages.
Do you mean abolish PIP or abolish Motability?
Abolish PIP. Everyone needs transport, just pay for it out of your wages, same as everyone else.
I'd have a scheme to pay for eg wheelchairs if required, but transport? Just pay for it as everyone else has to.
PIP isn't just about getting around Barty. You've kneejerking a bit too hard.
The mobility element is.
Just scrap it and scrap taxes on transport so that people can afford transport without a subsidy.
Ah, so you didn't mean abolish PIP. Did you just say that to get some attention?
No, its called context. We were talking about the mobility element of PIP, we were talking about Motability, so you should be able to infer from context what is being spoken about.
Anyway, you did hit a nail on the head, as the problem is the amount of bullshit being said to get some attention, but its not from me.
Any time this is discussed you get absurd extremes like "can not go to the toilet by themselves" as justification for funding which then translates to Motability vehicles.
I am curious how many people lie in the intersection of the Venn Diagram that they are both incapable of going to the toilet by themselves, but capable of handling a motor vehicle and getting a driving licence, without being a danger to themselves or others.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd imagine that anyone capable of getting and holding a drivers licence, without being a hazard to themselves or others, would generally be capable of going to the bathroom without assistance from third parties.
Unless you mean something absurd by "can not go to the toilet by themselves" such as they actually can go by themselves.
You know you can get a Motobility car and the driver doesn't need to be the person with the disability (which is a strike against your argument)
Now the car should really only be used for the person who has the disability but we all know that isn't the case (which is I think the point you are aiming for).
Precisely, the whole argument is bullshit.
If someone is a carer they should be to afford a car from their own wages.
If someone is too disabled to drive, they don't need a vehicle.
The whole thing is a nice rort for people who can play the system and then treat the PIP as income as if they were working for the money, which they're not.
Carers don't usually have wages as they are tied to caring duties. However if you had something like PIP you could use the money to purchase your own care. Or the disabled person could go out to work and pay for the carer. Would need to earn twice the NLW.
See - a simple solution. This politics stuff is easy.
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
Out of anxiety or cause the driver is tight? There is definitely a phenomenon of the latter amongst many EV owners...
(Which I don't understand at all tbh, the best way to drive a Tesla, like any other car, is like you stole it)
I suspect it is unfamiliarity with a new route that is the main cause of range anxiety.
Again just more nonsense. The benefit is not means tested, so those who want a nicer car can put money towards a nicer car. Hairshirt headline grabbing which will do nothing for the benefits bill.
compared to the PIP amount given up it is massively subsidised.
Plus no 20% VAT. It is hugely subsidised compared to privately purchased vehicles.
Abolish PIP and tax everyone the same. Problem solved.
Want a car? Get a job and pay for it out of your wages.
Do you mean abolish PIP or abolish Motability?
Abolish PIP. Everyone needs transport, just pay for it out of your wages, same as everyone else.
I'd have a scheme to pay for eg wheelchairs if required, but transport? Just pay for it as everyone else has to.
PIP isn't just about getting around Barty. You've kneejerking a bit too hard.
The mobility element is.
Just scrap it and scrap taxes on transport so that people can afford transport without a subsidy.
Ah, so you didn't mean abolish PIP. Did you just say that to get some attention?
No, its called context. We were talking about the mobility element of PIP, we were talking about Motability, so you should be able to infer from context what is being spoken about.
Anyway, you did hit a nail on the head, as the problem is the amount of bullshit being said to get some attention, but its not from me.
Any time this is discussed you get absurd extremes like "can not go to the toilet by themselves" as justification for funding which then translates to Motability vehicles.
I am curious how many people lie in the intersection of the Venn Diagram that they are both incapable of going to the toilet by themselves, but capable of handling a motor vehicle and getting a driving licence, without being a danger to themselves or others.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd imagine that anyone capable of getting and holding a drivers licence, without being a hazard to themselves or others, would generally be capable of going to the bathroom without assistance from third parties.
Unless you mean something absurd by "can not go to the toilet by themselves" such as they actually can go by themselves.
You know you can get a Motobility car and the driver doesn't need to be the person with the disability (which is a strike against your argument)
Now the car should really only be used for the person who has the disability but we all know that isn't the case (which is I think the point you are aiming for).
Precisely, the whole argument is bullshit.
If someone is a carer they should be to afford a car from their own wages.
If someone is too disabled to drive, they don't need a vehicle.
The whole thing is a nice rort for people who can play the system and then treat the PIP as income as if they were working for the money, which they're not.
You have demonstrated time and again that you don't understand what PIP is. It's designed to help people with the cost of being disabled. Being disabled costs a lot more money than being fully able. It costs more to get to work if you can't catch public transport due to your disability or use a regular car. It costs more money if you can't use the bathroom which comes with the property you rent or own. PIP saves the taxpayer money because it helps disabled people to work rather than become fully dependent on the state.
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
Out of anxiety or cause the driver is tight? There is definitely a phenomenon of the latter amongst many EV owners...
(Which I don't understand at all tbh, the best way to drive a Tesla, like any other car, is like you stole it)
I suspect it is unfamiliarity with a new route that is the main cause of range anxiety.
Which is why Tesla pretty much invented fast EV charging, built a network of chargers and a route planing system that just requires a destination. Given the destination, it plots a route, including any stops needed for charging.
It’s fascinating watching other manufacturers looking at an actual working product and not being able to replicate it.
It’s a sociological issue as much as anything - years of taking about zero emissions has programmed the car industry to believe that providing the charging facilities is Someone Else’s Problem. Preferably governments.
Again just more nonsense. The benefit is not means tested, so those who want a nicer car can put money towards a nicer car. Hairshirt headline grabbing which will do nothing for the benefits bill.
compared to the PIP amount given up it is massively subsidised.
Plus no 20% VAT. It is hugely subsidised compared to privately purchased vehicles.
Abolish PIP and tax everyone the same. Problem solved.
Want a car? Get a job and pay for it out of your wages.
Do you mean abolish PIP or abolish Motability?
Abolish PIP. Everyone needs transport, just pay for it out of your wages, same as everyone else.
I'd have a scheme to pay for eg wheelchairs if required, but transport? Just pay for it as everyone else has to.
PIP isn't just about getting around Barty. You've kneejerking a bit too hard.
The mobility element is.
Just scrap it and scrap taxes on transport so that people can afford transport without a subsidy.
Ah, so you didn't mean abolish PIP. Did you just say that to get some attention?
No, its called context. We were talking about the mobility element of PIP, we were talking about Motability, so you should be able to infer from context what is being spoken about.
Anyway, you did hit a nail on the head, as the problem is the amount of bullshit being said to get some attention, but its not from me.
Any time this is discussed you get absurd extremes like "can not go to the toilet by themselves" as justification for funding which then translates to Motability vehicles.
I am curious how many people lie in the intersection of the Venn Diagram that they are both incapable of going to the toilet by themselves, but capable of handling a motor vehicle and getting a driving licence, without being a danger to themselves or others.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd imagine that anyone capable of getting and holding a drivers licence, without being a hazard to themselves or others, would generally be capable of going to the bathroom without assistance from third parties.
Unless you mean something absurd by "can not go to the toilet by themselves" such as they actually can go by themselves.
You know you can get a Motobility car and the driver doesn't need to be the person with the disability (which is a strike against your argument)
Now the car should really only be used for the person who has the disability but we all know that isn't the case (which is I think the point you are aiming for).
Precisely, the whole argument is bullshit.
If someone is a carer they should be to afford a car from their own wages.
If someone is too disabled to drive, they don't need a vehicle.
The whole thing is a nice rort for people who can play the system and then treat the PIP as income as if they were working for the money, which they're not.
You have demonstrated time and again that you don't understand what PIP is. It's designed to help people with the cost of being disabled. Being disabled costs a lot more money than being fully able. It costs more to get to work if you can't catch public transport due to your disability or use a regular car. It costs more money if you can't use the bathroom which comes with the property you rent or own. PIP saves the taxpayer money because it helps disabled people to work rather than become fully dependent on the state.
Although... PIP is designed to cover the extra costs of day-to-day life, not work. So if, for example, you need a taxi to get to work, it will be covered by Access to Work and not out of your PIP.
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
Out of anxiety or cause the driver is tight? There is definitely a phenomenon of the latter amongst many EV owners...
(Which I don't understand at all tbh, the best way to drive a Tesla, like any other car, is like you stole it)
I suspect it is unfamiliarity with a new route that is the main cause of range anxiety.
Range anxiety is absolutely real unless you are sitting in a car with a 70kw plus battery.
Again just more nonsense. The benefit is not means tested, so those who want a nicer car can put money towards a nicer car. Hairshirt headline grabbing which will do nothing for the benefits bill.
compared to the PIP amount given up it is massively subsidised.
Plus no 20% VAT. It is hugely subsidised compared to privately purchased vehicles.
Abolish PIP and tax everyone the same. Problem solved.
Want a car? Get a job and pay for it out of your wages.
Do you mean abolish PIP or abolish Motability?
Abolish PIP. Everyone needs transport, just pay for it out of your wages, same as everyone else.
I'd have a scheme to pay for eg wheelchairs if required, but transport? Just pay for it as everyone else has to.
PIP isn't just about getting around Barty. You've kneejerking a bit too hard.
The mobility element is.
Just scrap it and scrap taxes on transport so that people can afford transport without a subsidy.
Ah, so you didn't mean abolish PIP. Did you just say that to get some attention?
No, its called context. We were talking about the mobility element of PIP, we were talking about Motability, so you should be able to infer from context what is being spoken about.
Anyway, you did hit a nail on the head, as the problem is the amount of bullshit being said to get some attention, but its not from me.
Any time this is discussed you get absurd extremes like "can not go to the toilet by themselves" as justification for funding which then translates to Motability vehicles.
I am curious how many people lie in the intersection of the Venn Diagram that they are both incapable of going to the toilet by themselves, but capable of handling a motor vehicle and getting a driving licence, without being a danger to themselves or others.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd imagine that anyone capable of getting and holding a drivers licence, without being a hazard to themselves or others, would generally be capable of going to the bathroom without assistance from third parties.
Unless you mean something absurd by "can not go to the toilet by themselves" such as they actually can go by themselves.
You know you can get a Motobility car and the driver doesn't need to be the person with the disability (which is a strike against your argument)
Now the car should really only be used for the person who has the disability but we all know that isn't the case (which is I think the point you are aiming for).
Precisely, the whole argument is bullshit.
If someone is a carer they should be to afford a car from their own wages.
If someone is too disabled to drive, they don't need a vehicle.
The whole thing is a nice rort for people who can play the system and then treat the PIP as income as if they were working for the money, which they're not.
You have demonstrated time and again that you don't understand what PIP is. It's designed to help people with the cost of being disabled. Being disabled costs a lot more money than being fully able. It costs more to get to work if you can't catch public transport due to your disability or use a regular car. It costs more money if you can't use the bathroom which comes with the property you rent or own. PIP saves the taxpayer money because it helps disabled people to work rather than become fully dependent on the state.
Although... PIP is designed to cover the extra costs of day-to-day life, not work. So if, for example, you need a taxi to get to work, it will be covered by Access to Work and not out of your PIP.
Of course he doesn't believe any of it. He is saying it to divide us and it is working as he intends.
Between the rational and the sane-washers ?
It has become very clear that despite some of the Marxist Historian types might believe, that The People at The Top are not (just) a bunch of hyper rational exploiters.
They eat the same dog food - hence the various politicians we have seen who’ve gone MAGA/Bat Shit/Radicalised by social media.
I’ve encountered politicians, senior civil servants, CEOs, movers and shakers in the third sector…. All of them spouting stuff from Twatter/Tik Tok/Farcebook that is untrue to the point of physically impossible.
I'll take your word for it. I was a bit suspicious because the image jumped on occasions suggesting bits had been cut out. But if that's what Elon actually said the he's clearly as mad a cheese.
Of course he doesn't believe any of it. He is saying it to divide us and it is working as he intends.
Between the rational and the sane-washers ?
It has become very clear that despite some of the Marxist Historian types might believe, that The People at The Top are not (just) a bunch of hyper rational exploiters.
They eat the same dog food - hence the various politicians we have seen who’ve gone MAGA/Bat Shit/Radicalised by social media.
I’ve encountered politicians, senior civil servants, CEOs, movers and shakers in the third sector…. All of them spouting stuff from Twatter/Tik Tok/Farcebook that is untrue to the point of physically impossible.
We have seen social contagion on a whole range of issues, on the left and the right. None of us are immune to it. Social media amplifies the speed and impact.
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
I now have a petrol Jag which replaced my diesel Jag after a RTA at the beginning of this year. The diesel was the bigger car (XF v XE) and the tanks are approximately the same size. What I have been stunned at is that a full tank of diesel gave me about 630 miles and a full tank of petrol only gives me 430. It really puts the few extra pence per litre for diesel into perspective. Having switched from one to the other I have had several episodes of range anxiety and occasions where I have had to be ripped off by service stations charging extortionate amounts for fuel.
Certainly in my job 430 miles really isn't far.
Diesel vs petrol mileage is essentially chemistry. Diesel is mainly molecules with 12 to 20 carbon atoms. Petrol is mainly 4 to 12 carbons. Hence diesel is more energy dense. (Actual density - petrol is 0.71-0.78 g ml-1, diesel 0.82-0.85 g, ml-1).
Which is why Jet A-1, as used on big planes with turbines that will pretty much burn anything, is a kerosene mixture very close to diesel in composition. Energy density is really important in aviation.
I'll take your word for it. I was a bit suspicious because the image jumped on occasions suggesting bits had been cut out. But if that's what Elon actually said the he's clearly as mad a cheese.
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
I now have a petrol Jag which replaced my diesel Jag after a RTA at the beginning of this year. The diesel was the bigger car (XF v XE) and the tanks are approximately the same size. What I have been stunned at is that a full tank of diesel gave me about 630 miles and a full tank of petrol only gives me 430. It really puts the few extra pence per litre for diesel into perspective. Having switched from one to the other I have had several episodes of range anxiety and occasions where I have had to be ripped off by service stations charging extortionate amounts for fuel.
Certainly in my job 430 miles really isn't far.
I've never driven a petrol car, so I've been scratching my head at those that do talking about 53mpg as a good rate of fuel efficiency.
I am hoping that EV cars will have a range of 1000km by the time we have to scrap our current car.
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
Out of anxiety or cause the driver is tight? There is definitely a phenomenon of the latter amongst many EV owners...
(Which I don't understand at all tbh, the best way to drive a Tesla, like any other car, is like you stole it)
So how far does your car go on a charge? This might explain why you have never had range anxiety
I think it's rated at just over 300 miles? (2022 Model Y Performance). In practice on a long trip I let the car decide where to charge which is what makes it so easy and unstressful. You just set a target charge % at destination and it'll figure everything out.
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
I now have a petrol Jag which replaced my diesel Jag after a RTA at the beginning of this year. The diesel was the bigger car (XF v XE) and the tanks are approximately the same size. What I have been stunned at is that a full tank of diesel gave me about 630 miles and a full tank of petrol only gives me 430. It really puts the few extra pence per litre for diesel into perspective. Having switched from one to the other I have had several episodes of range anxiety and occasions where I have had to be ripped off by service stations charging extortionate amounts for fuel.
Certainly in my job 430 miles really isn't far.
Diesel vs petrol mileage is essentially chemistry. Diesel is mainly molecules with 12 to 20 carbon atoms. Petrol is mainly 4 to 12 carbons. Hence diesel is more energy dense. (Actual density - petrol is 0.71-0.78 g ml-1, diesel 0.82-0.85 g, ml-1).
It's also why American cars typically had larger engine capacities than UK cars, as their fuel has lower octane rating than ours. (and the gallons are smaller so the mpg numbers never make sense)
I'll take your word for it. I was a bit suspicious because the image jumped on occasions suggesting bits had been cut out. But if that's what Elon actually said the he's clearly as mad a cheese.
For me it seems very much like he couldn't really separate out the fiction (1000 orcs descending on The Shire) from the actual reality of a Hertfordshire village - the two just seemed to meld together in his mind.
A very good friend of mine was sectioned once. Talking to him just beforehand was very much like listening to Musk in that interview - reality and fantasy were inseparable.
Perhaps coincidentally, he was sectioned because of his ketamin habit.
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
I now have a petrol Jag which replaced my diesel Jag after a RTA at the beginning of this year. The diesel was the bigger car (XF v XE) and the tanks are approximately the same size. What I have been stunned at is that a full tank of diesel gave me about 630 miles and a full tank of petrol only gives me 430. It really puts the few extra pence per litre for diesel into perspective. Having switched from one to the other I have had several episodes of range anxiety and occasions where I have had to be ripped off by service stations charging extortionate amounts for fuel.
Certainly in my job 430 miles really isn't far.
Diesel vs petrol mileage is essentially chemistry. Diesel is mainly molecules with 12 to 20 carbon atoms. Petrol is mainly 4 to 12 carbons. Hence diesel is more energy dense. (Actual density - petrol is 0.71-0.78 g ml-1, diesel 0.82-0.85 g, ml-1).
Which is why Jet A-1, as used on big planes with turbines that will pretty much burn anything, is a kerosene mixture very close to diesel in composition. Energy density is really important in aviation.
Kerosene/diesel is amazing: it's not just energy density but the fact that it combusts in exactly the right way for jet engines to work, almost irrespective of altitude/temperature/air density.
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
Out of anxiety or cause the driver is tight? There is definitely a phenomenon of the latter amongst many EV owners...
(Which I don't understand at all tbh, the best way to drive a Tesla, like any other car, is like you stole it)
I suspect it is unfamiliarity with a new route that is the main cause of range anxiety.
Range anxiety is absolutely real unless you are sitting in a car with a 70kw plus battery.
Diesel cars cost more than the petrol equivalent. Therefore it is only worth buying a diesel if:
- You do sufficient miles so that the fuel saving outweighs the additional purchase cost (taking resale value into account) - You don't mind killing kiddies with the particulate emissions
Of course he doesn't believe any of it. He is saying it to divide us and it is working as he intends.
Between the rational and the sane-washers ?
It has become very clear that despite some of the Marxist Historian types might believe, that The People at The Top are not (just) a bunch of hyper rational exploiters.
They eat the same dog food - hence the various politicians we have seen who’ve gone MAGA/Bat Shit/Radicalised by social media.
I’ve encountered politicians, senior civil servants, CEOs, movers and shakers in the third sector…. All of them spouting stuff from Twatter/Tik Tok/Farcebook that is untrue to the point of physically impossible.
Pretty well any society, prior to 1850 or so, was run on the basis of extracting the majority of what was needed, over and above peasant subsistence, on behalf of the Big Man (who was sometimes a woman, or a religious institution).
Thus far, Marxist historians are correct (they also get a lot wrong).
But, the Big Man was often completely irrational in the way he spent this surplus. Usually, it went on wars, which often ended very badly for the Big Man, who would have done far better to live in luxury in his palaces, and country estates. Henry VIII spent the proceeds of monastic lands failing to conquer France. The Spanish monarchy squandered an entire mountain of silver (Potosi), waging wars on several fronts at once.
Most billionaires are not satisfied just to enjoy their wealth. That is sometimes a good thing, but often a destructive one.
I'll take your word for it. I was a bit suspicious because the image jumped on occasions suggesting bits had been cut out. But if that's what Elon actually said the he's clearly as mad a cheese.
What a terrible slur. Cheese is lovely - and very sane compared to Musk.
It's times like this, I almost wish @Leon wasn't banned - it would be interesting to hear him defend his insane hero.
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
Out of anxiety or cause the driver is tight? There is definitely a phenomenon of the latter amongst many EV owners...
(Which I don't understand at all tbh, the best way to drive a Tesla, like any other car, is like you stole it)
I suspect it is unfamiliarity with a new route that is the main cause of range anxiety.
Range anxiety is absolutely real unless you are sitting in a car with a 70kw plus battery.
The vast majority of EVs have 70kwh+ batteries.
Not really in the UK - a lot have 50kwh (99% of Stellantis cars do)..
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
I now have a petrol Jag which replaced my diesel Jag after a RTA at the beginning of this year. The diesel was the bigger car (XF v XE) and the tanks are approximately the same size. What I have been stunned at is that a full tank of diesel gave me about 630 miles and a full tank of petrol only gives me 430. It really puts the few extra pence per litre for diesel into perspective. Having switched from one to the other I have had several episodes of range anxiety and occasions where I have had to be ripped off by service stations charging extortionate amounts for fuel.
Certainly in my job 430 miles really isn't far.
Diesel vs petrol mileage is essentially chemistry. Diesel is mainly molecules with 12 to 20 carbon atoms. Petrol is mainly 4 to 12 carbons. Hence diesel is more energy dense. (Actual density - petrol is 0.71-0.78 g ml-1, diesel 0.82-0.85 g, ml-1).
Which is why Jet A-1, as used on big planes with turbines that will pretty much burn anything, is a kerosene mixture very close to diesel in composition. Energy density is really important in aviation.
Kerosene/diesel is amazing: it's not just energy density but the fact that it combusts in exactly the right way for jet engines to work, almost irrespective of altitude/temperature/air density.
The technology that goes into modern jet engines is pretty crazy, each new one being around 5% more efficient than the previous version, and as you say a lot of optimisation for OAT and air pressure.
They’re also more relaible than ever with ETOPS rules, although they have to do a lot of testing to get that far.
Of course he doesn't believe any of it. He is saying it to divide us and it is working as he intends.
Between the rational and the sane-washers ?
It has become very clear that despite some of the Marxist Historian types might believe, that The People at The Top are not (just) a bunch of hyper rational exploiters.
They eat the same dog food - hence the various politicians we have seen who’ve gone MAGA/Bat Shit/Radicalised by social media.
I’ve encountered politicians, senior civil servants, CEOs, movers and shakers in the third sector…. All of them spouting stuff from Twatter/Tik Tok/Farcebook that is untrue to the point of physically impossible.
Pretty well any society, prior to 1850 or so, was run on the basis of extracting the majority of what was needed, over and above peasant subsistence, on behalf of the Big Man (who was sometimes a woman, or a religious institution).
Thus far, Marxist historians are correct (they also get a lot wrong).
But, the Big Man was often completely irrational in the way he spent this surplus. Usually, it went on wars, which often ended very badly for the Big Man, who would have done far better to live in luxury in his palaces, and country estates. Henry VIII spent the proceeds of monastic lands failing to conquer France. The Spanish monarchy squandered an entire mountain of silver (Potosi), waging wars on several fronts at once.
Most billionaires are not satisfied just to enjoy their wealth. That is sometimes a good thing, but often a destructive one.
If the Big Man just sits there having fun he's at serious risk of coup-ing.
Of course he doesn't believe any of it. He is saying it to divide us and it is working as he intends.
Between the rational and the sane-washers ?
It has become very clear that despite some of the Marxist Historian types might believe, that The People at The Top are not (just) a bunch of hyper rational exploiters.
They eat the same dog food - hence the various politicians we have seen who’ve gone MAGA/Bat Shit/Radicalised by social media.
I’ve encountered politicians, senior civil servants, CEOs, movers and shakers in the third sector…. All of them spouting stuff from Twatter/Tik Tok/Farcebook that is untrue to the point of physically impossible.
Pretty well any society, prior to 1850 or so, was run on the basis of extracting the majority of what was needed, over and above peasant subsistence, on behalf of the Big Man (who was sometimes a woman, or a religious institution).
Thus far, Marxist historians are correct (they also get a lot wrong).
But, the Big Man was often completely irrational in the way he spent this surplus. Usually, it went on wars, which often ended very badly for the Big Man, who would have done far better to live in luxury in his palaces, and country estates. Henry VIII spent the proceeds of monastic lands failing to conquer France. The Spanish monarchy squandered an entire mountain of silver (Potosi), waging wars on several fronts at once.
Most billionaires are not satisfied just to enjoy their wealth. That is sometimes a good thing, but often a destructive one.
If the Big Man just sits there having fun he's at serious risk of coup-ing.
Not if he's clever, like President Bongo of Gabon, who had a habit of buying off opponents with a bit of his oil wealth, when they got stroppy.
That said, warfare as a method of culling potential rivals can be sensible.
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
Out of anxiety or cause the driver is tight? There is definitely a phenomenon of the latter amongst many EV owners...
(Which I don't understand at all tbh, the best way to drive a Tesla, like any other car, is like you stole it)
I suspect it is unfamiliarity with a new route that is the main cause of range anxiety.
Which is why Tesla pretty much invented fast EV charging, built a network of chargers and a route planing system that just requires a destination. Given the destination, it plots a route, including any stops needed for charging.
It’s fascinating watching other manufacturers looking at an actual working product and not being able to replicate it.
It’s a sociological issue as much as anything - years of taking about zero emissions has programmed the car industry to believe that providing the charging facilities is Someone Else’s Problem. Preferably governments.
Tesla also realised that you need the whole process to be seamless, with no messing around looking for an app to make a charger work.
With that said... in the US at least, the charging networks are finally getting decent. My Rivian does "plug and charge" (with no app or payment worries) at half a dozen networks (inc Tesla). It also will look ahead and see which chargers are busy or out of service, and will route accordingly.
It's really very impressive - and I'm sure the Tesla system will be equally good. (I suspect the Ford one will be rubbish, mind.)
Of course he doesn't believe any of it. He is saying it to divide us and it is working as he intends.
Between the rational and the sane-washers ?
It has become very clear that despite some of the Marxist Historian types might believe, that The People at The Top are not (just) a bunch of hyper rational exploiters.
They eat the same dog food - hence the various politicians we have seen who’ve gone MAGA/Bat Shit/Radicalised by social media.
I’ve encountered politicians, senior civil servants, CEOs, movers and shakers in the third sector…. All of them spouting stuff from Twatter/Tik Tok/Farcebook that is untrue to the point of physically impossible.
Pretty well any society, prior to 1850 or so, was run on the basis of extracting the majority of what was needed, over and above peasant subsistence, on behalf of the Big Man (who was sometimes a woman, or a religious institution).
Thus far, Marxist historians are correct (they also get a lot wrong).
But, the Big Man was often completely irrational in the way he spent this surplus. Usually, it went on wars, which often ended very badly for the Big Man, who would have done far better to live in luxury in his palaces, and country estates. Henry VIII spent the proceeds of monastic lands failing to conquer France. The Spanish monarchy squandered an entire mountain of silver (Potosi), waging wars on several fronts at once.
Most billionaires are not satisfied just to enjoy their wealth. That is sometimes a good thing, but often a destructive one.
If the Big Man just sits there having fun he's at serious risk of coup-ing.
Not if he's clever, like President Bongo of Gabon, who had a habit of buying off opponents with a bit of his oil wealth, when they got stroppy.
That said, warfare as a method of culling potential rivals can be sensible.
Easier in the days when weapons weren't so potent, and birthrates were higher.
Forget the rise of Reform. More interested in the cost of plastering if anyone has recent experience.
Think we paid £500 for the kitchen and a hallway wall to be done back in August
About £620 for a day's work in the new shop last year. Bargain tbh. It's just about the messiest trades job, and requires a fair bit of skill that cannot be easily shortcutted by technology.
I'd want about £1500 for the same amount of effort!
Plastering is art.
I could happily do most domestic electrics or modern plastic plumbing, and am willing to learn new skills as often as I can, but stuff like plastering is one of those things I can immediately see I could never do!
Which is quite funny where I live, where the default is not DIY but always calling a man in. Other cultures see working with hands and trades as beneath them.
Forget the rise of Reform. More interested in the cost of plastering if anyone has recent experience.
Think we paid £500 for the kitchen and a hallway wall to be done back in August
About £620 for a day's work in the new shop last year. Bargain tbh. It's just about the messiest trades job, and requires a fair bit of skill that cannot be easily shortcutted by technology.
I'd want about £1500 for the same amount of effort!
Plastering is art.
I could happily do most domestic electrics or modern plastic plumbing, and am willing to learn new skills as often as I can, but stuff like plastering is one of those things I can immediately see I could never do!
Which is quite funny where I live, where the default is not DIY but always calling a man in. Other cultures see working with hands and trades as beneath them.
A friend of mine who did a late career change from tech in finance to building work tells me that plastering is the most zen thing you can do. He loves the process of it, and he loves that it marks the beginning of the end for a project - the moment when everything that will be is visible.
Forget the rise of Reform. More interested in the cost of plastering if anyone has recent experience.
Think we paid £500 for the kitchen and a hallway wall to be done back in August
About £620 for a day's work in the new shop last year. Bargain tbh. It's just about the messiest trades job, and requires a fair bit of skill that cannot be easily shortcutted by technology.
I'd want about £1500 for the same amount of effort!
Plastering is art.
I could happily do most domestic electrics or modern plastic plumbing, and am willing to learn new skills as often as I can, but stuff like plastering is one of those things I can immediately see I could never do!
Which is quite funny where I live, where the default is not DIY but always calling a man in. Other cultures see working with hands and trades as beneath them.
A friend of mine who did a late career change from tech in finance to building work tells me that plastering is the most zen thing you can do. He loves the process of it, and he loves that it marks the beginning of the end for a project - the moment when everything that will be is visible.
It would have to be, for the paltry amount plasterers charge.
It's one of the mysteries of the universe to me - why aren't plasterers about three times the price they are? Like Sandpit, it's about the only trade I have baulked at trying to learn.
Forget the rise of Reform. More interested in the cost of plastering if anyone has recent experience.
Think we paid £500 for the kitchen and a hallway wall to be done back in August
About £620 for a day's work in the new shop last year. Bargain tbh. It's just about the messiest trades job, and requires a fair bit of skill that cannot be easily shortcutted by technology.
I'd want about £1500 for the same amount of effort!
Plastering is art.
I could happily do most domestic electrics or modern plastic plumbing, and am willing to learn new skills as often as I can, but stuff like plastering is one of those things I can immediately see I could never do!
Which is quite funny where I live, where the default is not DIY but always calling a man in. Other cultures see working with hands and trades as beneath them.
A friend of mine who did a late career change from tech in finance to building work tells me that plastering is the most zen thing you can do. He loves the process of it, and he loves that it marks the beginning of the end for a project - the moment when everything that will be is visible.
It would have to be, for the paltry amount plasterers charge.
It's one of the mysteries of the universe to me - why aren't plasterers about three times the price they are? Like Sandpit, it's about the only trade I have baulked at trying to learn.
Market forces. There are a lot of plasterers around (though not all of them are very good).
Forget the rise of Reform. More interested in the cost of plastering if anyone has recent experience.
Think we paid £500 for the kitchen and a hallway wall to be done back in August
About £620 for a day's work in the new shop last year. Bargain tbh. It's just about the messiest trades job, and requires a fair bit of skill that cannot be easily shortcutted by technology.
I'd want about £1500 for the same amount of effort!
Plastering is art.
I could happily do most domestic electrics or modern plastic plumbing, and am willing to learn new skills as often as I can, but stuff like plastering is one of those things I can immediately see I could never do!
Which is quite funny where I live, where the default is not DIY but always calling a man in. Other cultures see working with hands and trades as beneath them.
A friend of mine who did a late career change from tech in finance to building work tells me that plastering is the most zen thing you can do. He loves the process of it, and he loves that it marks the beginning of the end for a project - the moment when everything that will be is visible.
It would have to be, for the paltry amount plasterers charge.
It's one of the mysteries of the universe to me - why aren't plasterers about three times the price they are? Like Sandpit, it's about the only trade I have baulked at trying to learn.
The only other trade I won’t do is data cabling. They’re the plasterers of the IT world.
They charge half my hourly rate, take at most half of the hours I would use, and do a job that’s an order of magnitude better quality and appearance than mine.
Forget the rise of Reform. More interested in the cost of plastering if anyone has recent experience.
Think we paid £500 for the kitchen and a hallway wall to be done back in August
About £620 for a day's work in the new shop last year. Bargain tbh. It's just about the messiest trades job, and requires a fair bit of skill that cannot be easily shortcutted by technology.
I'd want about £1500 for the same amount of effort!
Plastering is art.
I could happily do most domestic electrics or modern plastic plumbing, and am willing to learn new skills as often as I can, but stuff like plastering is one of those things I can immediately see I could never do!
Which is quite funny where I live, where the default is not DIY but always calling a man in. Other cultures see working with hands and trades as beneath them.
A friend of mine who did a late career change from tech in finance to building work tells me that plastering is the most zen thing you can do. He loves the process of it, and he loves that it marks the beginning of the end for a project - the moment when everything that will be is visible.
It would have to be, for the paltry amount plasterers charge.
It's one of the mysteries of the universe to me - why aren't plasterers about three times the price they are? Like Sandpit, it's about the only trade I have baulked at trying to learn.
Market forces. There are a lot of plasterers around (though not all of them are very good).
Yebbut my economics professor would assure me that, if this were the full story, rational plasterers would retrain as plumbers, which appears both easier and more lucrative, until the relative profitability of the two professions balanced out.
The general issue is significant. If Reform form a government they will of course have to govern as a high spend, welfare state, massive state provision government. The social democratic post WWII consensus will not have been abolished by the voters. Ask the voters of Clacton what they want in the way of pensions, NHS, free education, police, welfare safety net. All the big costs are there.
So Farage has to move away from both libertarian small state - interesting idea but wanted by almost no-one, and those who want it are rich - and unicorn stuff about savings made on rainbow flags and lanyards. He will have to run a high spend (loud voice) and therefore high tax (quieter voice) government. Even more so WRT tax if he wants to remove the deficit and start paying back the debt.
Why do they "of course have to govern as a high spend, welfare state, massive state provision government"? I think they'll probably (try to) do what they say they will. Their voters may well not like it and vote them out at the next possible opportunity (see the Dutch elections), of course!
Trump is Farage's biggest inspiration. Trump and MAGA use racism and culture war to distract their voters from the massive cuts in public services and bungs to the wealthy (or, at least, those wealthy who show obesiance to Trump). Maybe that works for Reform too.
Why? It's a judgment and I may be wrong but this is why:
Reform will want to be reelected, so they will have to provide what voters want. Think for 10 minutes about the voters of Clacton.
The UK is not the USA. We don't have a quasi religious view of political leadership whom we would follow into the desert and commit mass suicide.
As Reform enter government, they inherit all the already done deals for expenditure. Significant cuts would have to be legislated for and put into effect. This is not easy.
I completely agree with Reform's agenda that UK governing could be done infinitely better. What I don't think is that it can be transformed either quickly or cheaply.
I will rethink it if and when Reform pledge some actual figures about State Managed Expenditure in % of GDP and show how they would remove, say, 5%-10% points off it. I am not holding my breath.
Another reason is let’s say there are 400 Reform MPs - even if 250 were pro Singapore-on-Thames, there will still be plenty who are not and will vote to maintain the status quo. Without established party loyalty they are not going to blindly follow Farage if they both don't believe in it and think they will be punished by their electorate if they press ahead.
If they wanted to maintain the status quo, they wouldn’t be standing as Reform candidates.
Fiscal spending status quo. The common theme is they want less immigration even if that impacts the economy, and are typically anti woke. Beyond that Reform MPs won't have lot in common with each other.
TL/DR; More local history, otherwise Michael Gove's ‘Tudors & Nazis’ (and some random topics of a teacher's own choosing) syllabus to remain.
And a preference for triple over double science to return, so job security for the pb physics teachers amidst a national shortage!
How local? Would this mean regional GCSEs in history?
Read the article via the free link provided.
The answer is probably local enough. We did the borough's highlights back in junior school back in the day, so obviously this was not part of an exam. I doubt it would mean regional GCSEs but the current system means each school can teach different topics from its neighbours already, which imo undermines the case for compulsory history and also shows how the Thatcher government botched the national curriculum itself – the problem it claimed to address was different syllabuses!
When I was at junior school, we were all given a copy of "A Short History of Gateshead". Not to read in class, just to take home.
Did it get as far as T. Dan Smith? Or was that concreted glossed over?
He was Newcastle, not Gateshead.
He was leader of Newcastle City council from 1960 to 1965 but then became chairman of the Northern Economic Planning council which was based in Gatehead.
The carer should be able to have their own vehicle.
Sure, they'll just go shake the magic money tree to afford one. Most carers exist on absolutely pathetic incomes, well below minimum wage work.
Or they are working only a few hours a day because most of their time is spent caring for their disabled partner...
Carer's Allowance is £83.30/week but can be cancelled if you earn too much. To get that amount, you must be caring for 35 hours per week or £2.38 / hour.
I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.
Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.
😂😂😂😂
I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.
Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
Trump Admiring Zealot
I don't think it is even that,
Of course it isn’t but Sunil is a lonely middle aged man who lives with his Mom and just vents on the net if he hasn’t got a train to spot. Some form of valediction for an empty life I’d guess. I just ignore his baiting.
With his Mum.
And please can we play the ball not the man?
It is Mom where I grew up.
You know what, I’m quite easy going but that little prick has had numerous needless digs at me over quite a while, I’ve rarely ever engaged with him, especially over DJT and (economy aside) IDGAF about US politics and rarely comment on it, Including two snipes today. I’ve not responded but, no, I won’t just put up with it. Won’t instigate but won’t keep letting it go.
As for my name it’s a tribute to the human suplex machine not an acronym.
Diesel cars cost more than the petrol equivalent. Therefore it is only worth buying a diesel if:
- You do sufficient miles so that the fuel saving outweighs the additional purchase cost (taking resale value into account) - You don't mind killing kiddies with the particulate emissions
Don't hyperventilate, Sandy!
ULEZ means I hardly drive my evil, polluting diesel car!
I hardly ever go to the cinema these days due to streaming.....
I hardly ever go either. But it's more because of the lack of anything decent to watch. We've had 10 years of absolute bilge.
Well there is that too. The few times I have been in past year (and I do admit Mrs U likes the posho ones with table service) but its bloody expensive these days too. If you have a couple of kids, what are you looking at £50 (non-London prices) for the family without any over-priced snacks, £500 with snacks?
£6 per person at my local multiplex. £5 booked Online. All films all times.
Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.
So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.
They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.
If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
Alternatively, we could extend official EV love to hybrids. Aside from anything else, this would mean an end to range anxiety and take away the necessity for chargers in every lamp post. We'd get most of the EV benefit for almost no extra cost.
Prius is about 50 mpg.which is nice, but nowhere near zero emissions.
Range anxiety is about people not understanding EVs. There's high capacity charging stations at all the motorway services in the country, and many other places. Where you can charge the latest EVs from 20-80% in about 15 minutes. Lamp posts are about trickle charging at night.
For pootling around town which is what most people do, hybrids are fine. Range anxiety is range anxiety and claiming people don't understand does not really get us anywhere. It is one reason people slow down on motorways, thus rendering them less efficient and more dangerous.
Hybrids are better than ICE and worse than EV (other things being equal). Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Do you have an EV? Never had range anxiety, it's something that mostly exists in the heads of ICE drivers.
I have more than once been a passenger in EVs being driven slowly to conserve range.
I now have a petrol Jag which replaced my diesel Jag after a RTA at the beginning of this year. The diesel was the bigger car (XF v XE) and the tanks are approximately the same size. What I have been stunned at is that a full tank of diesel gave me about 630 miles and a full tank of petrol only gives me 430. It really puts the few extra pence per litre for diesel into perspective. Having switched from one to the other I have had several episodes of range anxiety and occasions where I have had to be ripped off by service stations charging extortionate amounts for fuel.
Certainly in my job 430 miles really isn't far.
I've never driven a petrol car, so I've been scratching my head at those that do talking about 53mpg as a good rate of fuel efficiency.
I am hoping that EV cars will have a range of 1000km by the time we have to scrap our current car.
It’s getting there, albeit with a fair amount of very expensive F1-derived technology in one demonstration vehicle.
Meanwhile my old 16 year old diesel, (and it's 11 year old replacement) would do ~1000 miles on a tank.
I'd find a typical EV very annoying if only because of the pratting about putting it on charge pretty much every night, compared to spending sub five minutes in the cheapest filling station in the area every three weeks.
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No wonder he thinks we're about to have a civil war if he genuinely believes this stuff.
https://x.com/LizWebsterSBF/status/1985096041553650036
Absolute batshittery.
Certainly in my job 430 miles really isn't far.
(Which I don't understand at all tbh, the best way to drive a Tesla, like any other car, is like you stole it)
I'd want about £1500 for the same amount of effort!
I am hoping that EV cars will have a range of 1000km by the time we have to scrap our current car.
See - a simple solution. This politics stuff is easy.
It’s fascinating watching other manufacturers looking at an actual working product and not being able to replicate it.
It’s a sociological issue as much as anything - years of taking about zero emissions has programmed the car industry to believe that providing the charging facilities is Someone Else’s Problem. Preferably governments.
They eat the same dog food - hence the various politicians we have seen who’ve gone MAGA/Bat Shit/Radicalised by social media.
I’ve encountered politicians, senior civil servants, CEOs, movers and shakers in the third sector…. All of them spouting stuff from Twatter/Tik Tok/Farcebook that is untrue to the point of physically impossible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_Vision_EQXX
It’s getting there, albeit with a fair amount of very expensive F1-derived technology in one demonstration vehicle.
A very good friend of mine was sectioned once. Talking to him just beforehand was very much like listening to Musk in that interview - reality and fantasy were inseparable.
Perhaps coincidentally, he was sectioned because of his ketamin habit.
- You do sufficient miles so that the fuel saving outweighs the additional purchase cost (taking resale value into account)
- You don't mind killing kiddies with the particulate emissions
Pretty well any society, prior to 1850 or so, was run on the basis of extracting the majority of what was needed, over and above peasant subsistence, on behalf of the Big Man (who was sometimes a woman, or a religious institution).
Thus far, Marxist historians are correct (they also get a lot wrong).
But, the Big Man was often completely irrational in the way he spent this surplus. Usually, it went on wars, which often ended very badly for the Big Man, who would have done far better to live in luxury in his palaces, and country estates. Henry VIII spent the proceeds of monastic lands failing to conquer France. The Spanish monarchy squandered an entire mountain of silver (Potosi), waging wars on several fronts at once.
Most billionaires are not satisfied just to enjoy their wealth. That is sometimes a good thing, but often a destructive one.
It's times like this, I almost wish @Leon wasn't banned - it would be interesting to hear him defend his insane hero.
(Almost)
They’re also more relaible than ever with ETOPS rules, although they have to do a lot of testing to get that far.
That said, warfare as a method of culling potential rivals can be sensible.
With that said... in the US at least, the charging networks are finally getting decent. My Rivian does "plug and charge" (with no app or payment worries) at half a dozen networks (inc Tesla). It also will look ahead and see which chargers are busy or out of service, and will route accordingly.
It's really very impressive - and I'm sure the Tesla system will be equally good. (I suspect the Ford one will be rubbish, mind.)
“There is nothing I dislike more than a politician who sits there and lies to you.” - Gavin Newsom.
https://x.com/leadingreport/status/1985014376714105285
I could happily do most domestic electrics or modern plastic plumbing, and am willing to learn new skills as often as I can, but stuff like plastering is one of those things I can immediately see I could never do!
Which is quite funny where I live, where the default is not DIY but always calling a man in. Other cultures see working with hands and trades as beneath them.
It's one of the mysteries of the universe to me - why aren't plasterers about three times the price they are? Like Sandpit, it's about the only trade I have baulked at trying to learn.
https://x.com/realjakebroe/status/1985159695859134947
I wonder who’s about to slowly start buying up Russia, just as they’ve slowly bought up Africa and much of Asia…
There are a lot of plasterers around (though not all of them are very good).
Johnson: Democrats, this is the incredible part, they are now trying to blame Republicans for cutting off SNAP
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1984260840300986392
FACT CHECK: In July he took $186 billion dollars worth of food assistance from SNAP (the largest cut ever) and gave it to billionaires & greedy CEOs.
These guys don't give a shit. They've never gone hungry. They don't even buy their own groceries. What a bunch of frauds.
https://x.com/RepMcGovern/status/1984714058793164817
They charge half my hourly rate, take at most half of the hours I would use, and do a job that’s an order of magnitude better quality and appearance than mine.
Perhaps this will happen over time.
NEW THREAD
Democratic: 540,671 (73.8%)
Other: 106,201 (14.5%)
Republican: 85,994 (11.7%)
https://x.com/ZacharyDonnini/status/1985346226569564449
You know what, I’m quite easy going but that little prick has had numerous needless digs at me over quite a while, I’ve rarely ever engaged with him, especially over DJT and (economy aside) IDGAF about US politics and rarely comment on it, Including two snipes today. I’ve not responded but, no, I won’t just put up with it. Won’t instigate but won’t keep letting it go.
As for my name it’s a tribute to the human suplex machine not an acronym.
ULEZ means I hardly drive my evil, polluting diesel car!
I'd find a typical EV very annoying if only because of the pratting about putting it on charge pretty much every night, compared to spending sub five minutes in the cheapest filling station in the area every three weeks.