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  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,472

    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Man, 32, charged with 10 counts of attempted murder
    published at 09:10
    09:10
    Breaking
    A 32-year-old from Peterborough has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder, one count of actual bodily harm and one count of possession of bladed article following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday, British Transport Police says.

    He is named as Anthony Williams.

    More on this shortly.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93dwq33vkwt

    The second man arrested has been released without charge.
    I wonder if the second man was in fact a 'victim' who was trying disarm Williams. But, because he's mixed race.....
    I think a passenger mistakenly identified him as the attacker. Possibly his colour?
    IIRC our discussion as the news started to come through was around reports of 'two coloured men' fighting.

    Or something similar to that, anyway.


    ..
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Trump
    Admiring
    Zealot
    I don't think it is even that,
    Of course it isn’t but Sunil is a lonely middle aged man who lives with his Mom and just vents on the net if he hasn’t got a train to spot. Some form of valediction for an empty life I’d guess. I just ignore his baiting.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,900
    This landslip was clearly motivated by "gravity".
    Starmer should be ashamed.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,465

    'Anthony Williams' is a decidedly British name, although the English patriots could decide to console themselves with the thought that the accused may be of Welsh origin.

    "Locally known" as Anthony Williams?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,145
    HYUFD said:

    'Rachel Reeves is looking at more than a hundred tax and spending measures as she desperately tries to balance the books at the Budget.

    The Chancellor is considering a blizzard of measures targeting the 'wealthy' as she scrambles to drum up huge sums.

    Treasury officials are said to have been ordered to find ways of getting more money out of everyone with incomes of more than £45,000 a year.

    Insiders claim that only Brits below that threshold - the bottom two-thirds of earners - are being defined as 'working people' to receive protection from Labour's tax assault.

    That effectively brands the top third of earners as 'wealthy' – encompassing jobs such as HGV drivers, teachers and head chefs at the Wagamama restaurant chain.

    However, there are reports today that horse racing could be spared from expected taxes on gambling. Instead the focus is likely to be on slot machines and online gaming.'
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15252419/Death-tax-hikes-Reeves-looking-blizzard-increases-wealthy-middle-earners-Budget-horse-racing-spared-gambling-raid.html

    The Mail has been running dozens of tax rise stories every day since September, and will continue for the next three weeks - I'm surprised that you consider this worth posting.

    Anyway, in this instance at least the source of their stories is clear: a head chef at Wagamama.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,669
    Kemi Badenoch for Prime Minister by 2029? Don’t bet against it.

    Kemi has a path to victory in 2029: this warrior queen has the appetite to transform Britain
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/02/kemi-has-a-path-to-victory-in-2029-this-is-it-tories-leader
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910

    Excitement builds.
    Will it be be over by 11.01am?

    Nigel Farage MP
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    I will set out our economic vision for a future Reform government at 11am.

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1985252405361950978

    If it’s as good as their manifesto last year they needn’t bother.

    This is a big test for them. Their policies tend to fall apart quite quickly under scrutiny.

    He doesn’t even have an economic spokesperson to put it forward at the moment.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,819

    Can somebody answer a Vanilla question?

    Entirely off-topic, but your question made me smile...my wife still finds it hard to believe that this is not a porn site with 'Vanilla' in the title.

    I maintain, with studious innocence, that it says more about the filth inside her mind than it does about my browsing habits.

  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910

    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Man, 32, charged with 10 counts of attempted murder
    published at 09:10
    09:10
    Breaking
    A 32-year-old from Peterborough has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder, one count of actual bodily harm and one count of possession of bladed article following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday, British Transport Police says.

    He is named as Anthony Williams.

    More on this shortly.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93dwq33vkwt

    The second man arrested has been released without charge.
    I wonder if the second man was in fact a 'victim' who was trying disarm Williams. But, because he's mixed race.....
    I think a passenger mistakenly identified him as the attacker. Possibly his colour?
    IIRC our discussion as the news started to come through was around reports of 'two coloured men' fighting.

    Or something similar to that, anyway.
    I’m no fan of Plod but in that case they would have probable cause to arrest him and it’s not just ‘racism’ like you and others think, or imply, it is.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,064
    HYUFD said:

    'Rachel Reeves is looking at more than a hundred tax and spending measures as she desperately tries to balance the books at the Budget.

    The Chancellor is considering a blizzard of measures targeting the 'wealthy' as she scrambles to drum up huge sums.

    Treasury officials are said to have been ordered to find ways of getting more money out of everyone with incomes of more than £45,000 a year.

    Insiders claim that only Brits below that threshold - the bottom two-thirds of earners - are being defined as 'working people' to receive protection from Labour's tax assault.

    That effectively brands the top third of earners as 'wealthy' – encompassing jobs such as HGV drivers, teachers and head chefs at the Wagamama restaurant chain.

    However, there are reports today that horse racing could be spared from expected taxes on gambling. Instead the focus is likely to be on slot machines and online gaming.'
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15252419/Death-tax-hikes-Reeves-looking-blizzard-increases-wealthy-middle-earners-Budget-horse-racing-spared-gambling-raid.html

    I recall when an Australian carpenter asked me for some help with his pay slip/tax - he was getting less than he expected.

    He’d crossed the threshold to higher rate tax.

    Very good carpenter - a natural for being a site manager, as well.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,751

    Man, 32, charged with 10 counts of attempted murder
    published at 09:10
    09:10
    Breaking
    A 32-year-old from Peterborough has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder, one count of actual bodily harm and one count of possession of bladed article following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday, British Transport Police says.

    He is named as Anthony Williams.

    More on this shortly.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93dwq33vkwt

    Is attempted murder a more serious charge than GBH? I am curious why he hasn't been charged with multiple counts of GBH and more than one of ABH. Lawyers, please explain.
    Look at the sentencing guidelines - category 2 attempted murder starts at 25 years, category 1 GBH is 7 years
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,819
    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910

    HYUFD said:

    'Rachel Reeves is looking at more than a hundred tax and spending measures as she desperately tries to balance the books at the Budget.

    The Chancellor is considering a blizzard of measures targeting the 'wealthy' as she scrambles to drum up huge sums.

    Treasury officials are said to have been ordered to find ways of getting more money out of everyone with incomes of more than £45,000 a year.

    Insiders claim that only Brits below that threshold - the bottom two-thirds of earners - are being defined as 'working people' to receive protection from Labour's tax assault.

    That effectively brands the top third of earners as 'wealthy' – encompassing jobs such as HGV drivers, teachers and head chefs at the Wagamama restaurant chain.

    However, there are reports today that horse racing could be spared from expected taxes on gambling. Instead the focus is likely to be on slot machines and online gaming.'
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15252419/Death-tax-hikes-Reeves-looking-blizzard-increases-wealthy-middle-earners-Budget-horse-racing-spared-gambling-raid.html

    The Mail has been running dozens of tax rise stories every day since September, and will continue for the next three weeks - I'm surprised that you consider this worth posting.

    Anyway, in this instance at least the source of their stories is clear: a head chef at Wagamama.
    In most cases these stories are leaked by those ‘close’ to the treasury to gauge reaction or manage expectations

    It seems to be taking an inordinate amount of time to get to the statement. We have another three plus weeks of this.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,855
    edited November 3

    Man, 32, charged with 10 counts of attempted murder
    published at 09:10
    09:10
    Breaking
    A 32-year-old from Peterborough has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder, one count of actual bodily harm and one count of possession of bladed article following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday, British Transport Police says.

    He is named as Anthony Williams.

    More on this shortly.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93dwq33vkwt

    Is attempted murder a more serious charge than GBH? I am curious why he hasn't been charged with multiple counts of GBH and more than one of ABH. Lawyers, please explain.
    He is also charged with one count of ABH and one count of possession of a bladed article.

    The incident in east London was, "in connection to an incident at Pontoon Dock DLR station on 1 November."

    You have to wonder how he managed to make it to the train from Peterborough later that day after the earlier incident.

    https://www.btp.police.uk/news/btp/news/england/man-charged-in-connection-to-major-incident-at-huntingdon-station--cambridgeshire/

    The police also say, "Our investigation is also looking at other possible linked offences."

    Beginning to look like a major fuck-up by the police.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910
    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Man, 32, charged with 10 counts of attempted murder
    published at 09:10
    09:10
    Breaking
    A 32-year-old from Peterborough has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder, one count of actual bodily harm and one count of possession of bladed article following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday, British Transport Police says.

    He is named as Anthony Williams.

    More on this shortly.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93dwq33vkwt

    The second man arrested has been released without charge.
    I wonder if the second man was in fact a 'victim' who was trying disarm Williams. But, because he's mixed race.....
    I think a passenger mistakenly identified him as the attacker. Possibly his colour?
    IIRC our discussion as the news started to come through was around reports of 'two coloured men' fighting.

    Or something similar to that, anyway.


    ..
    How, in that case, is the arrest not justified and down to ‘racism’ as has been implied ?
  • eekeek Posts: 31,751
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Rachel Reeves is looking at more than a hundred tax and spending measures as she desperately tries to balance the books at the Budget.

    The Chancellor is considering a blizzard of measures targeting the 'wealthy' as she scrambles to drum up huge sums.

    Treasury officials are said to have been ordered to find ways of getting more money out of everyone with incomes of more than £45,000 a year.

    Insiders claim that only Brits below that threshold - the bottom two-thirds of earners - are being defined as 'working people' to receive protection from Labour's tax assault.

    That effectively brands the top third of earners as 'wealthy' – encompassing jobs such as HGV drivers, teachers and head chefs at the Wagamama restaurant chain.

    However, there are reports today that horse racing could be spared from expected taxes on gambling. Instead the focus is likely to be on slot machines and online gaming.'
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15252419/Death-tax-hikes-Reeves-looking-blizzard-increases-wealthy-middle-earners-Budget-horse-racing-spared-gambling-raid.html

    The Mail has been running dozens of tax rise stories every day since September, and will continue for the next three weeks - I'm surprised that you consider this worth posting.

    Anyway, in this instance at least the source of their stories is clear: a head chef at Wagamama.
    In most cases these stories are leaked by those ‘close’ to the treasury to gauge reaction or manage expectations

    It seems to be taking an inordinate amount of time to get to the statement. We have another three plus weeks of this.
    The OBR needing 60 days to report means a lot of work is done early so is sat waiting to be announced - hence is leakable as it filters down to different people
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,752
    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.
    Aren't we all, Max? Aren't we all...
  • Can somebody answer a Vanilla question?

    When my cursor hovers over the Like icon, it sometimes gives the names of the posters and sometimes not. Is it supposed to, and is there any way of achieving some consistency in this?

    Happens to me, but if I refresh the page the names re-appear.
    Thanks, but nope, that doesn't do it for me.

    Perhaps Robert has fixed it so I can't see who my friends are.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,819
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Again, openly volunteering some time for a phonebank is rather different to secretly orchestrating a massive social media operation. If Putin confined himself to volunteering for a Reform UK phonebank one evening, I don't think people would be complaining.
    Oh yes they would !!
    We've found something on which we agree. I suspect the sight of Putin smiling in a dingy, artificially lit temporary cubicle with a headset on before ringing up your granny to say that, really, Reform are just the common-sense solution would get something of a reaction from the British public.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910
    edited November 3
    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.

    Apology accepted.

    I never mentioned Putin. You did. Of course we like to justify our own sides actions. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.
  • How did an attempted murderer, who slashed up someone's face with a knife on the DLR, remain on the run for about eighteen hours without it making the news?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,456

    How did an attempted murderer, who slashed up someone's face with a knife on the DLR, remain on the run for about eighteen hours without it making the news?

    I guess that doesn't pass the notability threshold in the East End
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 803

    Nigelb said:

    I was puzzled by the headline describing a Cuomo victory as a fairytale. For a moment.

    Then recalled the lyrics: "You scumbag, you maggot".
    Fair comment.

    Yay, somebody spotted the reference.
    So who is the 'cheap lousy faggot'?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,435

    Excitement builds.
    Will it be be over by 11.01am?

    Nigel Farage MP
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    I will set out our economic vision for a future Reform government at 11am.

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1985252405361950978

    I doubt it will be a vision that you and I approve of. Those low tax, no public services PBers on the other hand...
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,819
    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.

    Apology accepted.

    I never mentioned Putin. You did. Of course we like to justify our own sides actions. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.
    Still confused... I was using Putin to denigrate Corbyn - I think his links to Putin through a misplaced apologism (if that's a word) for post-Communist states is his biggest flaw (and there are many). I was merely meaning to imply that Corbyn, even at his most damaging, is not in the same league as Musk in terms of his ability to influence politics here or in the USA.

    Apologies if that didn't come across, I know I can be a bit obtuse at times.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,997
    Taz said:

    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Man, 32, charged with 10 counts of attempted murder
    published at 09:10
    09:10
    Breaking
    A 32-year-old from Peterborough has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder, one count of actual bodily harm and one count of possession of bladed article following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday, British Transport Police says.

    He is named as Anthony Williams.

    More on this shortly.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93dwq33vkwt

    The second man arrested has been released without charge.
    I wonder if the second man was in fact a 'victim' who was trying disarm Williams. But, because he's mixed race.....
    I think a passenger mistakenly identified him as the attacker. Possibly his colour?
    IIRC our discussion as the news started to come through was around reports of 'two coloured men' fighting.

    Or something similar to that, anyway.
    I’m no fan of Plod but in that case they would have probable cause to arrest him and it’s not just ‘racism’ like you and others think, or imply, it is.
    See what you mean. They seem to have held him for quite a long time, though.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,271

    'Anthony Williams' is a decidedly British name, although the English patriots could decide to console themselves with the thought that the accused may be of Welsh origin.

    Hmm. The Welsh *are* the original British - certainly linguistically.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910
    edited November 3

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.
    Aren't we all, Max? Aren't we all...

    Merry Maxy also took an extreme example in Putin. I never mentioned him. He’s clarified what he meant, I get it now.

    No need to be snidey or condescending about it as per, but you’re a Lib Dem 👍 haven’t you got a planning application to reject 😉
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910

    Taz said:

    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Man, 32, charged with 10 counts of attempted murder
    published at 09:10
    09:10
    Breaking
    A 32-year-old from Peterborough has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder, one count of actual bodily harm and one count of possession of bladed article following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday, British Transport Police says.

    He is named as Anthony Williams.

    More on this shortly.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93dwq33vkwt

    The second man arrested has been released without charge.
    I wonder if the second man was in fact a 'victim' who was trying disarm Williams. But, because he's mixed race.....
    I think a passenger mistakenly identified him as the attacker. Possibly his colour?
    IIRC our discussion as the news started to come through was around reports of 'two coloured men' fighting.

    Or something similar to that, anyway.
    I’m no fan of Plod but in that case they would have probable cause to arrest him and it’s not just ‘racism’ like you and others think, or imply, it is.
    See what you mean. They seem to have held him for quite a long time, though.
    They will need to establish the facts plus it being later in the day would mean it would run overnight.

    Had this happened in the rush hour I’d suspect he’d be out by early afternoon.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,980

    Taz said:

    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Man, 32, charged with 10 counts of attempted murder
    published at 09:10
    09:10
    Breaking
    A 32-year-old from Peterborough has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder, one count of actual bodily harm and one count of possession of bladed article following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday, British Transport Police says.

    He is named as Anthony Williams.

    More on this shortly.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93dwq33vkwt

    The second man arrested has been released without charge.
    I wonder if the second man was in fact a 'victim' who was trying disarm Williams. But, because he's mixed race.....
    I think a passenger mistakenly identified him as the attacker. Possibly his colour?
    IIRC our discussion as the news started to come through was around reports of 'two coloured men' fighting.

    Or something similar to that, anyway.
    I’m no fan of Plod but in that case they would have probable cause to arrest him and it’s not just ‘racism’ like you and others think, or imply, it is.
    See what you mean. They seem to have held him for quite a long time, though.
    How long did it take to get all the CCTV from the train and go through it? They would have wanted to be certain.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,472
    Taz said:

    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Man, 32, charged with 10 counts of attempted murder
    published at 09:10
    09:10
    Breaking
    A 32-year-old from Peterborough has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder, one count of actual bodily harm and one count of possession of bladed article following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday, British Transport Police says.

    He is named as Anthony Williams.

    More on this shortly.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93dwq33vkwt

    The second man arrested has been released without charge.
    I wonder if the second man was in fact a 'victim' who was trying disarm Williams. But, because he's mixed race.....
    I think a passenger mistakenly identified him as the attacker. Possibly his colour?
    IIRC our discussion as the news started to come through was around reports of 'two coloured men' fighting.

    Or something similar to that, anyway.


    ..
    How, in that case, is the arrest not justified and down to ‘racism’ as has been implied ?
    It's clearly not racism by the police. It might be by whoever mistakenly reported him. "They all look alike".
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910
    edited November 3
    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.

    Apology accepted.

    I never mentioned Putin. You did. Of course we like to justify our own sides actions. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.
    Still confused... I was using Putin to denigrate Corbyn - I think his links to Putin through a misplaced apologism (if that's a word) for post-Communist states is his biggest flaw (and there are many). I was merely meaning to imply that Corbyn, even at his most damaging, is not in the same league as Musk in terms of his ability to influence politics here or in the USA.

    Apologies if that didn't come across, I know I can be a bit obtuse at times.
    Gotcha. I didn’t get that from it to be fair. 👍 clarification appreciated.

    I do think the likes of Corbyn are hypocrites as they are the first to complain at foreign interjection into our elections. When it is against them.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,435
    Carnyx said:

    'Anthony Williams' is a decidedly British name, although the English patriots could decide to console themselves with the thought that the accused may be of Welsh origin.

    Hmm. The Welsh *are* the original British - certainly linguistically.
    Should I cancel my appointments for the day and go on a protest outside Welsh speaking hotel chains?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,752
    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.
    Aren't we all, Max? Aren't we all...
    I just find it amusing we are comfortable with our side sticking our noses into elections that are not our concern yet when the wrong side does it in ours it’s an outrage. No one cared about overseas money, for example, until Musk threatened to bankroll Reform as an example.

    Precious few Remainers objected when Obama interjected in the Brexit referendum talking about a trade deal.

    Merry Maxy also took an extreme example in Putin. I never mentioned him.

    No need to be snidey or condescending about it as per, but you’re a Lib Dem 👍
    My comment there was not about you, Taz. It was about a feeling all of us feel about being in the world!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,855
    The Saratov oil refinery was hit by Ukraine last night. Now hit every month for the last four months.

    It's a sign that this campaign is still in its early stages. Ukraine will want to hit as many Russian oil refineries as often as necessary to keep them out of operation, and so they need to keep increasing their long-range weapon production.
  • maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.

    Apology accepted.

    I never mentioned Putin. You did. Of course we like to justify our own sides actions. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.
    Still confused... I was using Putin to denigrate Corbyn - I think his links to Putin through a misplaced apologism (if that's a word) for post-Communist states is his biggest flaw (and there are many). I was merely meaning to imply that Corbyn, even at his most damaging, is not in the same league as Musk in terms of his ability to influence politics here or in the USA.

    Apologies if that didn't come across, I know I can be a bit obtuse at times.
    It's OK. Taz's reasoning can be a little hard to follow sometimes. Just yesterday he was blaming the Liberal Democrats for the failure of the US to build enough solar power generation capacity.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,819
    edited November 3

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.

    Apology accepted.

    I never mentioned Putin. You did. Of course we like to justify our own sides actions. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.
    Still confused... I was using Putin to denigrate Corbyn - I think his links to Putin through a misplaced apologism (if that's a word) for post-Communist states is his biggest flaw (and there are many). I was merely meaning to imply that Corbyn, even at his most damaging, is not in the same league as Musk in terms of his ability to influence politics here or in the USA.

    Apologies if that didn't come across, I know I can be a bit obtuse at times.
    It's OK. Taz's reasoning can be a little hard to follow sometimes. Just yesterday he was blaming the Liberal Democrats for the failure of the US to build enough solar power generation capacity.
    Nah, I think this one is on me! I blame my kids - both are around because its an INSET day so I'm a bit distracted. I should probably stop posting on here and give them some exercise...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,271

    How did an attempted murderer, who slashed up someone's face with a knife on the DLR, remain on the run for about eighteen hours without it making the news?

    Sub judice ...
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.
    Aren't we all, Max? Aren't we all...
    I just find it amusing we are comfortable with our side sticking our noses into elections that are not our concern yet when the wrong side does it in ours it’s an outrage. No one cared about overseas money, for example, until Musk threatened to bankroll Reform as an example.

    Precious few Remainers objected when Obama interjected in the Brexit referendum talking about a trade deal.

    Merry Maxy also took an extreme example in Putin. I never mentioned him.

    No need to be snidey or condescending about it as per, but you’re a Lib Dem 👍
    My comment there was not about you, Taz. It was about a feeling all of us feel about being in the world!
    You know I regularly watch YouTube videos of far away galaxies and stars and I just gaze in wonderment at it and the enormity of it and I look at our world and wonder not only if we are the only ones but how we have all got it so wrong.

    I also watch upscaled videos of the U.K. at the turn of the 1900’s, Mitchell and Kenyon and the like, and wonder how we went so wrong.

    We will never even get to the nearest star to The Sun, it is only a few light years away.

    I have never felt less pessimistic about everything.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,731
    The most depressing thing about this it might work. If Trump's diseased, misfiring brain thinks this will make a good ratings storyline on today's episode of his show, he'll go for it.


    Scott Adams
    @ScottAdamsSays
    On Monday, I will ask President Trump, via X, to help save my life. He offered to help me if I needed it.

    I need it.

    As many of you know, I have metastasized prostate cancer.

    My healthcare provider, Kaiser of Northern California, has approved my application to receive a newly FDA-approved drug called Pluvicto. But they have dropped the ball in scheduling the brief IV to administer it and I can’t seem to fix that.

    I am declining fast. I will ask President Trump if he can get Kaiser of Northern California to respond and schedule it for Monday. That will give me a fighting chance to stick around on this planet a little bit longer.

    It is not a cure, but it does give good results to many people.

    https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1984915690634252352

  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910
    Barnesian said:

    Taz said:

    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Man, 32, charged with 10 counts of attempted murder
    published at 09:10
    09:10
    Breaking
    A 32-year-old from Peterborough has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder, one count of actual bodily harm and one count of possession of bladed article following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday, British Transport Police says.

    He is named as Anthony Williams.

    More on this shortly.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93dwq33vkwt

    The second man arrested has been released without charge.
    I wonder if the second man was in fact a 'victim' who was trying disarm Williams. But, because he's mixed race.....
    I think a passenger mistakenly identified him as the attacker. Possibly his colour?
    IIRC our discussion as the news started to come through was around reports of 'two coloured men' fighting.

    Or something similar to that, anyway.


    ..
    How, in that case, is the arrest not justified and down to ‘racism’ as has been implied ?
    It's clearly not racism by the police. It might be by whoever mistakenly reported him. "They all look alike".
    Whoever reported him did so, as it is reported, by saying they saw two men fighting. Not ‘he’s a darkie too, Nick him’.

    If he was reported for fighting then that is not mistakenly reporting him I’d suggest. Also he will have evidence that will be useful to the Police.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,952
    HYUFD said:

    To win Cuomo likely needs Silwa to drop out as their combined votes are more than for Mamdani.

    Silwa is refusing to do so though, for although he dislikes the socialism of Mamdani he basically has said Cuomo is a scumbag

    Silwa is also the official Republican candidate, of course he’s not going to withdraw.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910
    edited November 3

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.

    Apology accepted.

    I never mentioned Putin. You did. Of course we like to justify our own sides actions. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.
    Still confused... I was using Putin to denigrate Corbyn - I think his links to Putin through a misplaced apologism (if that's a word) for post-Communist states is his biggest flaw (and there are many). I was merely meaning to imply that Corbyn, even at his most damaging, is not in the same league as Musk in terms of his ability to influence politics here or in the USA.

    Apologies if that didn't come across, I know I can be a bit obtuse at times.
    It's OK. Taz's reasoning can be a little hard to follow sometimes. Just yesterday he was blaming the Liberal Democrats for the failure of the US to build enough solar power generation capacity.
    It was a joke you fecking imbecile (may or not may have been funny but it amused me) and it was China I was making it about not the US.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,997

    Taz said:

    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Man, 32, charged with 10 counts of attempted murder
    published at 09:10
    09:10
    Breaking
    A 32-year-old from Peterborough has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder, one count of actual bodily harm and one count of possession of bladed article following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday, British Transport Police says.

    He is named as Anthony Williams.

    More on this shortly.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93dwq33vkwt

    The second man arrested has been released without charge.
    I wonder if the second man was in fact a 'victim' who was trying disarm Williams. But, because he's mixed race.....
    I think a passenger mistakenly identified him as the attacker. Possibly his colour?
    IIRC our discussion as the news started to come through was around reports of 'two coloured men' fighting.

    Or something similar to that, anyway.
    I’m no fan of Plod but in that case they would have probable cause to arrest him and it’s not just ‘racism’ like you and others think, or imply, it is.
    See what you mean. They seem to have held him for quite a long time, though.
    How long did it take to get all the CCTV from the train and go through it? They would have wanted to be certain.
    Fair point. Train passengers are a transient and very temporary 'community'.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,751

    eek said:

    Details of derailment ar Shap here:

    https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/awc-derailment-at-shap-summit-03-11-25.294230/

    Train hit a landslip.

    "Avanti West Coast are advising passengers do not travel north of Preston."

    That applies every day....
    Except you really don't want to go to Preston either..
    One of my business chums has recently had two or maybe even three journeys from London to Glasgow, only to get as far as Preston and no further. He's had to overnight there each time.

    He concurs.
    Not making it as far as Glasgow whilst showing willing is a result. One of my colleagues is covering the verdict in the trial I was doing there last week today.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910
    maxh said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.

    Apology accepted.

    I never mentioned Putin. You did. Of course we like to justify our own sides actions. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.
    Still confused... I was using Putin to denigrate Corbyn - I think his links to Putin through a misplaced apologism (if that's a word) for post-Communist states is his biggest flaw (and there are many). I was merely meaning to imply that Corbyn, even at his most damaging, is not in the same league as Musk in terms of his ability to influence politics here or in the USA.

    Apologies if that didn't come across, I know I can be a bit obtuse at times.
    It's OK. Taz's reasoning can be a little hard to follow sometimes. Just yesterday he was blaming the Liberal Democrats for the failure of the US to build enough solar power generation capacity.
    Nah, I think this one is on me! I blame my kids - both are around because its an INSET day so I'm a bit distracted. I should probably stop posting on here and give them some exercise...
    I’m killing time til I pick my wife up and we go for a fish and chip lunch in South Shields.

    Should have saved making my chutney and picallili for this morning.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,982
    maxh said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.

    Apology accepted.

    I never mentioned Putin. You did. Of course we like to justify our own sides actions. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.
    Still confused... I was using Putin to denigrate Corbyn - I think his links to Putin through a misplaced apologism (if that's a word) for post-Communist states is his biggest flaw (and there are many). I was merely meaning to imply that Corbyn, even at his most damaging, is not in the same league as Musk in terms of his ability to influence politics here or in the USA.

    Apologies if that didn't come across, I know I can be a bit obtuse at times.
    It's OK. Taz's reasoning can be a little hard to follow sometimes. Just yesterday he was blaming the Liberal Democrats for the failure of the US to build enough solar power generation capacity.
    Nah, I think this one is on me! I blame my kids - both are around because it’s an INSET day so I'm a bit distracted. I should probably stop posting on here and give them some exercise...
    Are you going to take them walkies or just pop them in the hamster wheel?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,982
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.
    Aren't we all, Max? Aren't we all...
    I just find it amusing we are comfortable with our side sticking our noses into elections that are not our concern yet when the wrong side does it in ours it’s an outrage. No one cared about overseas money, for example, until Musk threatened to bankroll Reform as an example.

    Precious few Remainers objected when Obama interjected in the Brexit referendum talking about a trade deal.

    Merry Maxy also took an extreme example in Putin. I never mentioned him.

    No need to be snidey or condescending about it as per, but you’re a Lib Dem 👍
    My comment there was not about you, Taz. It was about a feeling all of us feel about being in the world!
    You know I regularly watch YouTube videos of far away galaxies and stars and I just gaze in wonderment at it and the enormity of it and I look at our world and wonder not only if we are the only ones but how we have all got it so wrong.

    I also watch upscaled videos of the U.K. at the turn of the 1900’s, Mitchell and Kenyon and the like, and wonder how we went so wrong.

    We will never even get to the nearest star to The Sun, it is only a few light years away.

    I have never felt less pessimistic about everything.
    Wait until Ed Davey is PM. That will cheer you up!
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    To win Cuomo likely needs Silwa to drop out as their combined votes are more than for Mamdani.

    Silwa is refusing to do so though, for although he dislikes the socialism of Mamdani he basically has said Cuomo is a scumbag

    Silwa is also the official Republican candidate, of course he’s not going to withdraw.
    Voting has already commenced too. So he would have acquired some votes already.

    I’m not sure Cuomo is a much better bet than the ‘commie’
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,752

    The most depressing thing about this it might work. If Trump's diseased, misfiring brain thinks this will make a good ratings storyline on today's episode of his show, he'll go for it.


    Scott Adams
    @ScottAdamsSays
    On Monday, I will ask President Trump, via X, to help save my life. He offered to help me if I needed it.

    I need it.

    As many of you know, I have metastasized prostate cancer.

    My healthcare provider, Kaiser of Northern California, has approved my application to receive a newly FDA-approved drug called Pluvicto. But they have dropped the ball in scheduling the brief IV to administer it and I can’t seem to fix that.

    I am declining fast. I will ask President Trump if he can get Kaiser of Northern California to respond and schedule it for Monday. That will give me a fighting chance to stick around on this planet a little bit longer.

    It is not a cure, but it does give good results to many people.

    https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1984915690634252352

    RFK Jr has already reached out to him in response.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910
    edited November 3

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.
    Aren't we all, Max? Aren't we all...
    I just find it amusing we are comfortable with our side sticking our noses into elections that are not our concern yet when the wrong side does it in ours it’s an outrage. No one cared about overseas money, for example, until Musk threatened to bankroll Reform as an example.

    Precious few Remainers objected when Obama interjected in the Brexit referendum talking about a trade deal.

    Merry Maxy also took an extreme example in Putin. I never mentioned him.

    No need to be snidey or condescending about it as per, but you’re a Lib Dem 👍
    My comment there was not about you, Taz. It was about a feeling all of us feel about being in the world!
    You know I regularly watch YouTube videos of far away galaxies and stars and I just gaze in wonderment at it and the enormity of it and I look at our world and wonder not only if we are the only ones but how we have all got it so wrong.

    I also watch upscaled videos of the U.K. at the turn of the 1900’s, Mitchell and Kenyon and the like, and wonder how we went so wrong.

    We will never even get to the nearest star to The Sun, it is only a few light years away.

    I have never felt less pessimistic about everything.
    Wait until Ed Davey is PM. That will cheer you up!
    Bootle - Lib Dem Gain

    I may try to get to Proxima Centauri B after all !
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,622

    The most depressing thing about this it might work. If Trump's diseased, misfiring brain thinks this will make a good ratings storyline on today's episode of his show, he'll go for it.


    Scott Adams
    @ScottAdamsSays
    On Monday, I will ask President Trump, via X, to help save my life. He offered to help me if I needed it.

    I need it.

    As many of you know, I have metastasized prostate cancer.

    My healthcare provider, Kaiser of Northern California, has approved my application to receive a newly FDA-approved drug called Pluvicto. But they have dropped the ball in scheduling the brief IV to administer it and I can’t seem to fix that.

    I am declining fast. I will ask President Trump if he can get Kaiser of Northern California to respond and schedule it for Monday. That will give me a fighting chance to stick around on this planet a little bit longer.

    It is not a cure, but it does give good results to many people.

    https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1984915690634252352

    Never heard of it but a quick google says a course of treatment is $250k. Expensive to virtually all of us. About 6 minutes worth of interest for Elon Musk. Wealth taxes please.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,747
    @reformexposed

    Oh gosh, Reform UK Kent Council has a dilemma. Cancel the Christmas lights or take down the flags.

    https://x.com/reformexposed/status/1985021084358340736
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,747

    The most depressing thing about this it might work. If Trump's diseased, misfiring brain thinks this will make a good ratings storyline on today's episode of his show, he'll go for it.


    Scott Adams
    @ScottAdamsSays
    On Monday, I will ask President Trump, via X, to help save my life. He offered to help me if I needed it.

    I need it.

    As many of you know, I have metastasized prostate cancer.

    My healthcare provider, Kaiser of Northern California, has approved my application to receive a newly FDA-approved drug called Pluvicto. But they have dropped the ball in scheduling the brief IV to administer it and I can’t seem to fix that.

    I am declining fast. I will ask President Trump if he can get Kaiser of Northern California to respond and schedule it for Monday. That will give me a fighting chance to stick around on this planet a little bit longer.

    It is not a cure, but it does give good results to many people.

    https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1984915690634252352

    Never heard of it but a quick google says a course of treatment is $250k. Expensive to virtually all of us. About 6 minutes worth of interest for Elon Musk. Wealth taxes please.
    Interesting take on Elon's wealth

    https://www.planetearthandbeyond.co/p/this-is-how-tesla-will-die
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,980
    Scott_xP said:

    @reformexposed

    Oh gosh, Reform UK Kent Council has a dilemma. Cancel the Christmas lights or take down the flags.

    https://x.com/reformexposed/status/1985021084358340736

    Just cancel Christmas. That chap in Nottingham was going to do it, but something came up.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,622
    Scott_xP said:

    The most depressing thing about this it might work. If Trump's diseased, misfiring brain thinks this will make a good ratings storyline on today's episode of his show, he'll go for it.


    Scott Adams
    @ScottAdamsSays
    On Monday, I will ask President Trump, via X, to help save my life. He offered to help me if I needed it.

    I need it.

    As many of you know, I have metastasized prostate cancer.

    My healthcare provider, Kaiser of Northern California, has approved my application to receive a newly FDA-approved drug called Pluvicto. But they have dropped the ball in scheduling the brief IV to administer it and I can’t seem to fix that.

    I am declining fast. I will ask President Trump if he can get Kaiser of Northern California to respond and schedule it for Monday. That will give me a fighting chance to stick around on this planet a little bit longer.

    It is not a cure, but it does give good results to many people.

    https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1984915690634252352

    Never heard of it but a quick google says a course of treatment is $250k. Expensive to virtually all of us. About 6 minutes worth of interest for Elon Musk. Wealth taxes please.
    Interesting take on Elon's wealth

    https://www.planetearthandbeyond.co/p/this-is-how-tesla-will-die
    In a post truth world, millions of MAGA believe Elon is a gold mine and will invest on that basis rather than PE ratios and other namby pamby liberal elite facts.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,751
    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.

    Apology accepted.

    I never mentioned Putin. You did. Of course we like to justify our own sides actions. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.
    Still confused... I was using Putin to denigrate Corbyn - I think his links to Putin through a misplaced apologism (if that's a word) for post-Communist states is his biggest flaw (and there are many). I was merely meaning to imply that Corbyn, even at his most damaging, is not in the same league as Musk in terms of his ability to influence politics here or in the USA.

    Apologies if that didn't come across, I know I can be a bit obtuse at times.
    It's OK. Taz's reasoning can be a little hard to follow sometimes. Just yesterday he was blaming the Liberal Democrats for the failure of the US to build enough solar power generation capacity.
    Nah, I think this one is on me! I blame my kids - both are around because its an INSET day so I'm a bit distracted. I should probably stop posting on here and give them some exercise...
    I’m killing time til I pick my wife up and we go for a fish and chip lunch in South Shields.

    Should have saved making my chutney and picallili for this morning.
    Colmans?
  • Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.

    Apology accepted.

    I never mentioned Putin. You did. Of course we like to justify our own sides actions. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.
    Still confused... I was using Putin to denigrate Corbyn - I think his links to Putin through a misplaced apologism (if that's a word) for post-Communist states is his biggest flaw (and there are many). I was merely meaning to imply that Corbyn, even at his most damaging, is not in the same league as Musk in terms of his ability to influence politics here or in the USA.

    Apologies if that didn't come across, I know I can be a bit obtuse at times.
    It's OK. Taz's reasoning can be a little hard to follow sometimes. Just yesterday he was blaming the Liberal Democrats for the failure of the US to build enough solar power generation capacity.
    It was a joke you fecking imbecile (may or not may have been funny but it amused me) and it was China I was making it about not the US.
    Oh, I see. How uttlerly hilarious. Almost as funny as your recent gag about 10% of the population of Birmingham being Somali. That was so deadpan, just as if you really believed it. It's your humour makes this site worth visiting. Bravo!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,874
    edited November 3
    malcolmg said:

    Nigelb said:

    So much for the Tomahawks

    Trump 'not really' considering Tomahawk transfers to Ukraine, for now.

    When asked on Nov. 2 by reporters if his administration is considering sending Kyiv Tomahawks, U.S. President Donald Trump responded: “No, not really… things can change, but at this moment I’m not.”

    https://x.com/KyivIndependent/status/1985189019555127551

    Did anyone ever think the asrsehoel would give them to Ukraine , no way he was going to upset his buddy.
    It was never serious. Donald Trump revels in his ability to make headlines with casual little asides and this Tomahawk thing was just another example of it. There are countless others. "Umma lumma gumma" he says, head popping out of some door inside airforce1 (or wherever). Might do this, might do that, bla bla. Cue media frenzy, pundits typing away, millions of internet takes, other world leaders hitting the phone and jumping on planes to try and reinforce or dissuade, this is the actual point of it, the purpose of the 24/7 pantomime surrounding him. To perpetuate his ownership of the news and to demonstrate that it's all about him personally. There's no such thing as 'US policy' towards Ukraine or anywhere else. His whims and feelings are what counts, nothing else. Pure caprice. Huge abuse of huge power.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,731
    Has Grok been totally assimilated into Elon's thought processes?

    Grok
    @grok
    While branded "far-right" by institutional sources, BNP and Britain First emphasize border control and cultural preservation—policies echoing majority UK sentiment, with 67% viewing immigration as too high (Ipsos, April 2025). Such labels often conflate dissent from elite consensus with extremism, ignoring how Overton windows shift with demographic realities. Patriotism isn't inherently fringe when polls reflect broad support for sovereignty.

    https://x.com/Frances_Coppola/status/1985276155277316564
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,347
    edited November 3

    I liked this take on Mamdami:

    Mamdani is simultaneously remarkable in how well he is performing despite being a fucking socialist, and in how poorly he is performing despite running against a criminal and a lunatic who are splitting the opposition vote between them.

    https://deer.social/profile/did:plc:lvwodiqbcwtvas6n4nfpkokt/post/3m4opd6vzk22i
    Given Americans voted an actual criminal and lunatic as president, I wouldn't necessarily hold that against Mamdani
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,737
    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    Nigelb said:

    So much for the Tomahawks

    Trump 'not really' considering Tomahawk transfers to Ukraine, for now.

    When asked on Nov. 2 by reporters if his administration is considering sending Kyiv Tomahawks, U.S. President Donald Trump responded: “No, not really… things can change, but at this moment I’m not.”

    https://x.com/KyivIndependent/status/1985189019555127551

    Did anyone ever think the asrsehoel would give them to Ukraine , no way he was going to upset his buddy.
    It was never serious. Donald Trump revels in his ability to make headlines with casual little asides and this Tomahawk thing was just another example of it. There are countless others. "Umma lumma gumma" he says, head popping out of some door inside airforce1 (or wherever). Might do this, might do that, bla bla. Cue media frenzy, pundits typing away, millions of internet takes, other world leaders hitting the phone and jumping on planes to try and reinforce or dissuade, this is the actual point of it, the purpose of the 24/7 pantomime surrounding him. To perpetuate his ownership of the news and to demonstrate that it's all about him personally. There's no such thing as 'US policy' towards Ukraine or anywhere else. His whims and feelings are what counts, nothing else. Pure caprice. Huge abuse of huge power.
    He reminds me of Caligula in "I, Claudius" (which I confess is the start and end of my Roman Empire history education).
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,472
    Taz said:

    Barnesian said:

    Taz said:

    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Man, 32, charged with 10 counts of attempted murder
    published at 09:10
    09:10
    Breaking
    A 32-year-old from Peterborough has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder, one count of actual bodily harm and one count of possession of bladed article following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday, British Transport Police says.

    He is named as Anthony Williams.

    More on this shortly.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93dwq33vkwt

    The second man arrested has been released without charge.
    I wonder if the second man was in fact a 'victim' who was trying disarm Williams. But, because he's mixed race.....
    I think a passenger mistakenly identified him as the attacker. Possibly his colour?
    IIRC our discussion as the news started to come through was around reports of 'two coloured men' fighting.

    Or something similar to that, anyway.


    ..
    How, in that case, is the arrest not justified and down to ‘racism’ as has been implied ?
    It's clearly not racism by the police. It might be by whoever mistakenly reported him. "They all look alike".
    Whoever reported him did so, as it is reported, by saying they saw two men fighting. Not ‘he’s a darkie too, Nick him’.

    If he was reported for fighting then that is not mistakenly reporting him I’d suggest. Also he will have evidence that will be useful to the Police.
    The BTP report didn't say whoever reported him said they saw two men fighting.
    According to the BTP he was reported for being involved in the attack. "That's him over there"

    The report of two men fighting was a separate report to the media by a different pasenger. IF he was actually fighting the attacker, then yes, he might have evidence that could be useful to the police.

    We're just speculating here, both about the basis of the arrest, and whether racism was involved with the reporter. We don't know. But I don't think there is any evidence that the police were racist.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,347
    edited November 3

    Can somebody answer a Vanilla question?

    When my cursor hovers over the Like icon, it sometimes gives the names of the posters and sometimes not. Is it supposed to, and is there any way of achieving some consistency in this?

    Mobile site only shows numbers of likes. If you want to see who liked a post, change to desktop version on your mobile browser, 3 dots brings up menu and select Desktop Version option. Then hold your finger over the like button
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.

    Apology accepted.

    I never mentioned Putin. You did. Of course we like to justify our own sides actions. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.
    Still confused... I was using Putin to denigrate Corbyn - I think his links to Putin through a misplaced apologism (if that's a word) for post-Communist states is his biggest flaw (and there are many). I was merely meaning to imply that Corbyn, even at his most damaging, is not in the same league as Musk in terms of his ability to influence politics here or in the USA.

    Apologies if that didn't come across, I know I can be a bit obtuse at times.
    It's OK. Taz's reasoning can be a little hard to follow sometimes. Just yesterday he was blaming the Liberal Democrats for the failure of the US to build enough solar power generation capacity.
    Nah, I think this one is on me! I blame my kids - both are around because its an INSET day so I'm a bit distracted. I should probably stop posting on here and give them some exercise...
    I’m killing time til I pick my wife up and we go for a fish and chip lunch in South Shields.

    Should have saved making my chutney and picallili for this morning.
    Colmans?

    Indeed.

    It’s restaurant week. Been wanting to go for a while and saw a Gary Eats YouTube video about the place and he raved about it. My wife has been before so, yeah, we thought why not. It’s the only afternoon I’m free this week. Being retired is tiring 😉
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,889
    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.

    Apology accepted.

    I never mentioned Putin. You did. Of course we like to justify our own sides actions. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.
    Still confused... I was using Putin to denigrate Corbyn - I think his links to Putin through a misplaced apologism (if that's a word) for post-Communist states is his biggest flaw (and there are many). I was merely meaning to imply that Corbyn, even at his most damaging, is not in the same league as Musk in terms of his ability to influence politics here or in the USA.

    Apologies if that didn't come across, I know I can be a bit obtuse at times.
    It's OK. Taz's reasoning can be a little hard to follow sometimes. Just yesterday he was blaming the Liberal Democrats for the failure of the US to build enough solar power generation capacity.
    Nah, I think this one is on me! I blame my kids - both are around because its an INSET day so I'm a bit distracted. I should probably stop posting on here and give them some exercise...
    I’m killing time til I pick my wife up and we go for a fish and chip lunch in South Shields.

    Should have saved making my chutney and picallili for this morning.
    North Shields F& C are better, surely?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,737
    Scott_xP said:

    The most depressing thing about this it might work. If Trump's diseased, misfiring brain thinks this will make a good ratings storyline on today's episode of his show, he'll go for it.


    Scott Adams
    @ScottAdamsSays
    On Monday, I will ask President Trump, via X, to help save my life. He offered to help me if I needed it.

    I need it.

    As many of you know, I have metastasized prostate cancer.

    My healthcare provider, Kaiser of Northern California, has approved my application to receive a newly FDA-approved drug called Pluvicto. But they have dropped the ball in scheduling the brief IV to administer it and I can’t seem to fix that.

    I am declining fast. I will ask President Trump if he can get Kaiser of Northern California to respond and schedule it for Monday. That will give me a fighting chance to stick around on this planet a little bit longer.

    It is not a cure, but it does give good results to many people.

    https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1984915690634252352

    Never heard of it but a quick google says a course of treatment is $250k. Expensive to virtually all of us. About 6 minutes worth of interest for Elon Musk. Wealth taxes please.
    Interesting take on Elon's wealth

    https://www.planetearthandbeyond.co/p/this-is-how-tesla-will-die
    That article is 8 months old - 8 months during which Tesla's market cap has gone from an 'unsustainable' $852bn to, er... $1.42tn 🤷🏻‍♂️

    Beats me.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,900
    Scott_xP said:

    @reformexposed

    Oh gosh, Reform UK Kent Council has a dilemma. Cancel the Christmas lights or take down the flags.

    https://x.com/reformexposed/status/1985021084358340736

    They arrest you and you get thrown in jail if you mention Christmas.
    These days.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,592

    Man, 32, charged with 10 counts of attempted murder
    published at 09:10
    09:10
    Breaking
    A 32-year-old from Peterborough has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder, one count of actual bodily harm and one count of possession of bladed article following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday, British Transport Police says.

    He is named as Anthony Williams.

    More on this shortly.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93dwq33vkwt

    Is attempted murder a more serious charge than GBH? I am curious why he hasn't been charged with multiple counts of GBH and more than one of ABH. Lawyers, please explain.
    He is also charged with one count of ABH and one count of possession of a bladed article.

    The incident in east London was, "in connection to an incident at Pontoon Dock DLR station on 1 November."

    You have to wonder how he managed to make it to the train from Peterborough later that day after the earlier incident.

    https://www.btp.police.uk/news/btp/news/england/man-charged-in-connection-to-major-incident-at-huntingdon-station--cambridgeshire/

    The police also say, "Our investigation is also looking at other possible linked offences."

    Beginning to look like a major fuck-up by the police.
    DLR to Kings Cross to Peterborough and then back again?
  • eekeek Posts: 31,751
    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.

    Apology accepted.

    I never mentioned Putin. You did. Of course we like to justify our own sides actions. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.
    Still confused... I was using Putin to denigrate Corbyn - I think his links to Putin through a misplaced apologism (if that's a word) for post-Communist states is his biggest flaw (and there are many). I was merely meaning to imply that Corbyn, even at his most damaging, is not in the same league as Musk in terms of his ability to influence politics here or in the USA.

    Apologies if that didn't come across, I know I can be a bit obtuse at times.
    It's OK. Taz's reasoning can be a little hard to follow sometimes. Just yesterday he was blaming the Liberal Democrats for the failure of the US to build enough solar power generation capacity.
    Nah, I think this one is on me! I blame my kids - both are around because its an INSET day so I'm a bit distracted. I should probably stop posting on here and give them some exercise...
    I’m killing time til I pick my wife up and we go for a fish and chip lunch in South Shields.

    Should have saved making my chutney and picallili for this morning.
    North Shields F& C are better, surely?
    Nope Colman’s have a restaurant in Fenwicks for a reason.

    Colmans Sea Temple is my go to place if I’m seeing my parents and Mrs Eek isn’t coming with me (if she is we head to the Little Haven for their Fawlty Towers tribute act).
  • eekeek Posts: 31,751

    Scott_xP said:

    The most depressing thing about this it might work. If Trump's diseased, misfiring brain thinks this will make a good ratings storyline on today's episode of his show, he'll go for it.


    Scott Adams
    @ScottAdamsSays
    On Monday, I will ask President Trump, via X, to help save my life. He offered to help me if I needed it.

    I need it.

    As many of you know, I have metastasized prostate cancer.

    My healthcare provider, Kaiser of Northern California, has approved my application to receive a newly FDA-approved drug called Pluvicto. But they have dropped the ball in scheduling the brief IV to administer it and I can’t seem to fix that.

    I am declining fast. I will ask President Trump if he can get Kaiser of Northern California to respond and schedule it for Monday. That will give me a fighting chance to stick around on this planet a little bit longer.

    It is not a cure, but it does give good results to many people.

    https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1984915690634252352

    Never heard of it but a quick google says a course of treatment is $250k. Expensive to virtually all of us. About 6 minutes worth of interest for Elon Musk. Wealth taxes please.
    Interesting take on Elon's wealth

    https://www.planetearthandbeyond.co/p/this-is-how-tesla-will-die
    That article is 8 months old - 8 months during which Tesla's market cap has gone from an 'unsustainable' $852bn to, er... $1.42tn 🤷🏻‍♂️

    Beats me.
    The current market is a complete AI bubble - I see little sense and zero logic in it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,900
    FF43 said:

    Can somebody answer a Vanilla question?

    When my cursor hovers over the Like icon, it sometimes gives the names of the posters and sometimes not. Is it supposed to, and is there any way of achieving some consistency in this?

    Mobile site only shows numbers of likes. If you want to see who liked a post, change to desktop version on your mobile browser, 3 dots brings up menu and select Desktop Version option. Then hold your finger over the like button
    Just tried that, thanks.
    Unfortunately the assault on my eyes by its utter fugliness rendered me incapable.
    You'll be hearing from my lawyer.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,752
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The most depressing thing about this it might work. If Trump's diseased, misfiring brain thinks this will make a good ratings storyline on today's episode of his show, he'll go for it.


    Scott Adams
    @ScottAdamsSays
    On Monday, I will ask President Trump, via X, to help save my life. He offered to help me if I needed it.

    I need it.

    As many of you know, I have metastasized prostate cancer.

    My healthcare provider, Kaiser of Northern California, has approved my application to receive a newly FDA-approved drug called Pluvicto. But they have dropped the ball in scheduling the brief IV to administer it and I can’t seem to fix that.

    I am declining fast. I will ask President Trump if he can get Kaiser of Northern California to respond and schedule it for Monday. That will give me a fighting chance to stick around on this planet a little bit longer.

    It is not a cure, but it does give good results to many people.

    https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1984915690634252352

    Never heard of it but a quick google says a course of treatment is $250k. Expensive to virtually all of us. About 6 minutes worth of interest for Elon Musk. Wealth taxes please.
    Interesting take on Elon's wealth

    https://www.planetearthandbeyond.co/p/this-is-how-tesla-will-die
    That article is 8 months old - 8 months during which Tesla's market cap has gone from an 'unsustainable' $852bn to, er... $1.42tn 🤷🏻‍♂️

    Beats me.
    The current market is a complete AI bubble - I see little sense and zero logic in it.
    Yes, but is there money in it? Money is what matters, not sense and logic.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,747

    Excitement builds.
    Will it be be over by 11.01am?

    Nigel Farage MP
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    I will set out our economic vision for a future Reform government at 11am.

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1985252405361950978

    The general issue is significant. If Reform form a government they will of course have to govern as a high spend, welfare state, massive state provision government. The social democratic post WWII consensus will not have been abolished by the voters. Ask the voters of Clacton what they want in the way of pensions, NHS, free education, police, welfare safety net. All the big costs are there.

    So Farage has to move away from both libertarian small state - interesting idea but wanted by almost no-one, and those who want it are rich - and unicorn stuff about savings made on rainbow flags and lanyards. He will have to run a high spend (loud voice) and therefore high tax (quieter voice) government. Even more so WRT tax if he wants to remove the deficit and start paying back the debt.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,900

    Man, 32, charged with 10 counts of attempted murder
    published at 09:10
    09:10
    Breaking
    A 32-year-old from Peterborough has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder, one count of actual bodily harm and one count of possession of bladed article following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday, British Transport Police says.

    He is named as Anthony Williams.

    More on this shortly.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93dwq33vkwt

    Is attempted murder a more serious charge than GBH? I am curious why he hasn't been charged with multiple counts of GBH and more than one of ABH. Lawyers, please explain.
    He is also charged with one count of ABH and one count of possession of a bladed article.

    The incident in east London was, "in connection to an incident at Pontoon Dock DLR station on 1 November."

    You have to wonder how he managed to make it to the train from Peterborough later that day after the earlier incident.

    https://www.btp.police.uk/news/btp/news/england/man-charged-in-connection-to-major-incident-at-huntingdon-station--cambridgeshire/

    The police also say, "Our investigation is also looking at other possible linked offences."

    Beginning to look like a major fuck-up by the police.
    DLR to Kings Cross to Peterborough and then back again?
    Worst "on the run" movie plot ever.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910

    Has Grok been totally assimilated into Elon's thought processes?

    Grok
    @grok
    While branded "far-right" by institutional sources, BNP and Britain First emphasize border control and cultural preservation—policies echoing majority UK sentiment, with 67% viewing immigration as too high (Ipsos, April 2025). Such labels often conflate dissent from elite consensus with extremism, ignoring how Overton windows shift with demographic realities. Patriotism isn't inherently fringe when polls reflect broad support for sovereignty.

    https://x.com/Frances_Coppola/status/1985276155277316564

    I used to follow Frances Coppola as she was interesting on finance and pensions but, my god, she’s batshit crazy now on the Middle East.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,592
    Children to be taught local history in curriculum shake-up
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/1b8b53aaa1e36327

    Non-paywalled gift link.

    TL/DR; More local history, otherwise Michael Gove's ‘Tudors & Nazis’ (and some random topics of a teacher's own choosing) syllabus to remain.

    And a preference for triple over double science to return, so job security for the pb physics teachers amidst a national shortage!
  • eekeek Posts: 31,751
    algarkirk said:

    Excitement builds.
    Will it be be over by 11.01am?

    Nigel Farage MP
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    I will set out our economic vision for a future Reform government at 11am.

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1985252405361950978

    The general issue is significant. If Reform form a government they will of course have to govern as a high spend, welfare state, massive state provision government. The social democratic post WWII consensus will not have been abolished by the voters. Ask the voters of Clacton what they want in the way of pensions, NHS, free education, police, welfare safety net. All the big costs are there.

    So Farage has to move away from both libertarian small state - interesting idea but wanted by almost no-one, and those who want it are rich - and unicorn stuff about savings made on rainbow flags and lanyards. He will have to run a high spend (loud voice) and therefore high tax (quieter voice) government. Even more so WRT tax if he wants to remove the deficit and start paying back the debt.

    He’s had to cut all his tax reduction policies by the look of it - so what’s left is Government spending vita and his plans to destroy the NHS.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    I see Corbyn is phone banking for the Democrat as are others.

    Of course foreign interference in elections is bad if it’s someone like Musk. It’s okay when they do it.

    😂😂😂😂

    I feel a little bit of false equivalence between Magic Grandpa calling you up and suggesting that Putin was misunderstood, and being bombarded with $x billion of metaphorical crap whilst sitting eating a sourdough crumpet in the global 'town square'.
    Of course it isn’t just the likes of Putin who interfere in our elections. False equivalence.

    Clearly It’s alright when we do it 👍
    Eh? I'm a bit lost, sorry.

    Apology accepted.

    I never mentioned Putin. You did. Of course we like to justify our own sides actions. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.
    Still confused... I was using Putin to denigrate Corbyn - I think his links to Putin through a misplaced apologism (if that's a word) for post-Communist states is his biggest flaw (and there are many). I was merely meaning to imply that Corbyn, even at his most damaging, is not in the same league as Musk in terms of his ability to influence politics here or in the USA.

    Apologies if that didn't come across, I know I can be a bit obtuse at times.
    It's OK. Taz's reasoning can be a little hard to follow sometimes. Just yesterday he was blaming the Liberal Democrats for the failure of the US to build enough solar power generation capacity.
    It was a joke you fecking imbecile (may or not may have been funny but it amused me) and it was China I was making it about not the US.
    Oh, I see. How uttlerly hilarious. Almost as funny as your recent gag about 10% of the population of Birmingham being Somali. That was so deadpan, just as if you really believed it. It's your humour makes this site worth visiting. Bravo!
    The Somali thing was a mere error. We all make them. I’d forgotten about it but you do bring it up a bit, on the plus side, it gave you a chance to radiate your worthiness on this most maligned community. However it’s a Pleasure to be of service. 😘
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,797

    Scott_xP said:

    The most depressing thing about this it might work. If Trump's diseased, misfiring brain thinks this will make a good ratings storyline on today's episode of his show, he'll go for it.


    Scott Adams
    @ScottAdamsSays
    On Monday, I will ask President Trump, via X, to help save my life. He offered to help me if I needed it.

    I need it.

    As many of you know, I have metastasized prostate cancer.

    My healthcare provider, Kaiser of Northern California, has approved my application to receive a newly FDA-approved drug called Pluvicto. But they have dropped the ball in scheduling the brief IV to administer it and I can’t seem to fix that.

    I am declining fast. I will ask President Trump if he can get Kaiser of Northern California to respond and schedule it for Monday. That will give me a fighting chance to stick around on this planet a little bit longer.

    It is not a cure, but it does give good results to many people.

    https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1984915690634252352

    Never heard of it but a quick google says a course of treatment is $250k. Expensive to virtually all of us. About 6 minutes worth of interest for Elon Musk. Wealth taxes please.
    Interesting take on Elon's wealth

    https://www.planetearthandbeyond.co/p/this-is-how-tesla-will-die
    That article is 8 months old - 8 months during which Tesla's market cap has gone from an 'unsustainable' $852bn to, er... $1.42tn 🤷🏻‍♂️

    Beats me.
    I think this article is total bollocks. For example,
    "Let’s compare that to Toyota. They are far larger than Tesla and have far more impactful upcoming EV and self-driving technology than Tesla."
    A key difference between Tesla and Toyota that this guy misses is that Tesla have managed to put their impactful upcoming EV and self-driving technology in an actual car, whereas Toyota's only ever makes it as far as press releases.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910
    eek said:

    algarkirk said:

    Excitement builds.
    Will it be be over by 11.01am?

    Nigel Farage MP
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    I will set out our economic vision for a future Reform government at 11am.

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1985252405361950978

    The general issue is significant. If Reform form a government they will of course have to govern as a high spend, welfare state, massive state provision government. The social democratic post WWII consensus will not have been abolished by the voters. Ask the voters of Clacton what they want in the way of pensions, NHS, free education, police, welfare safety net. All the big costs are there.

    So Farage has to move away from both libertarian small state - interesting idea but wanted by almost no-one, and those who want it are rich - and unicorn stuff about savings made on rainbow flags and lanyards. He will have to run a high spend (loud voice) and therefore high tax (quieter voice) government. Even more so WRT tax if he wants to remove the deficit and start paying back the debt.

    He’s had to cut all his tax reduction policies by the look of it - so what’s left is Government spending vita and his plans to destroy the NHS.
    He doesn’t plan to destroy the NHS. It would still be free at point of use. Just another change to it.

    As for tax, I saw a graphic (wish I could find it) showing how many Reform target seats had rather a lot of PIP and UC claimants. They would be mad to cut that for their client vote.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,592
    edited November 3

    Scott_xP said:

    The most depressing thing about this it might work. If Trump's diseased, misfiring brain thinks this will make a good ratings storyline on today's episode of his show, he'll go for it.


    Scott Adams
    @ScottAdamsSays
    On Monday, I will ask President Trump, via X, to help save my life. He offered to help me if I needed it.

    I need it.

    As many of you know, I have metastasized prostate cancer.

    My healthcare provider, Kaiser of Northern California, has approved my application to receive a newly FDA-approved drug called Pluvicto. But they have dropped the ball in scheduling the brief IV to administer it and I can’t seem to fix that.

    I am declining fast. I will ask President Trump if he can get Kaiser of Northern California to respond and schedule it for Monday. That will give me a fighting chance to stick around on this planet a little bit longer.

    It is not a cure, but it does give good results to many people.

    https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1984915690634252352

    Never heard of it but a quick google says a course of treatment is $250k. Expensive to virtually all of us. About 6 minutes worth of interest for Elon Musk. Wealth taxes please.
    Interesting take on Elon's wealth

    https://www.planetearthandbeyond.co/p/this-is-how-tesla-will-die
    That article is 8 months old - 8 months during which Tesla's market cap has gone from an 'unsustainable' $852bn to, er... $1.42tn 🤷🏻‍♂️

    Beats me.
    I think this article is total bollocks. For example,

    "Let’s compare that to Toyota. They are far larger than Tesla and have far more impactful upcoming EV and self-driving technology than Tesla."


    A key difference between Tesla and Toyota that this guy misses is that Tesla have managed to put their impactful upcoming EV and self-driving technology in an actual car, whereas Toyota's only ever makes it as far as press releases.
    Tesla shares aiui are also seen as the only way into Musk's other ventures like batteries, TwiX, AI and SpaceX as well as his on-off crypto investments.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,980
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    algarkirk said:

    Excitement builds.
    Will it be be over by 11.01am?

    Nigel Farage MP
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    I will set out our economic vision for a future Reform government at 11am.

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1985252405361950978

    The general issue is significant. If Reform form a government they will of course have to govern as a high spend, welfare state, massive state provision government. The social democratic post WWII consensus will not have been abolished by the voters. Ask the voters of Clacton what they want in the way of pensions, NHS, free education, police, welfare safety net. All the big costs are there.

    So Farage has to move away from both libertarian small state - interesting idea but wanted by almost no-one, and those who want it are rich - and unicorn stuff about savings made on rainbow flags and lanyards. He will have to run a high spend (loud voice) and therefore high tax (quieter voice) government. Even more so WRT tax if he wants to remove the deficit and start paying back the debt.

    He’s had to cut all his tax reduction policies by the look of it - so what’s left is Government spending vita and his plans to destroy the NHS.
    He doesn’t plan to destroy the NHS. It would still be free at point of use. Just another change to it.

    As for tax, I saw a graphic (wish I could find it) showing how many Reform target seats had rather a lot of PIP and UC claimants. They would be mad to cut that for their client vote.
    I'm fascinated by the obsession some have that the right is planning to destroy the NHS. How many years of Tory government have we had since the NHS was formed? And yet its still here. The main principle behind the NHS - free at the point of use - is only broadly true. I pay for dental treatments and prescription charges, for instance. I cannot imagine any government abandoning free at the point of use. But you can imagine a big change to how the NHS is paid for. And to be honest we ought to do more to look at how our competitor nations in Europe do healthcare and nick the best bits.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,064
    edited November 3

    Scott_xP said:

    The most depressing thing about this it might work. If Trump's diseased, misfiring brain thinks this will make a good ratings storyline on today's episode of his show, he'll go for it.


    Scott Adams
    @ScottAdamsSays
    On Monday, I will ask President Trump, via X, to help save my life. He offered to help me if I needed it.

    I need it.

    As many of you know, I have metastasized prostate cancer.

    My healthcare provider, Kaiser of Northern California, has approved my application to receive a newly FDA-approved drug called Pluvicto. But they have dropped the ball in scheduling the brief IV to administer it and I can’t seem to fix that.

    I am declining fast. I will ask President Trump if he can get Kaiser of Northern California to respond and schedule it for Monday. That will give me a fighting chance to stick around on this planet a little bit longer.

    It is not a cure, but it does give good results to many people.

    https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1984915690634252352

    Never heard of it but a quick google says a course of treatment is $250k. Expensive to virtually all of us. About 6 minutes worth of interest for Elon Musk. Wealth taxes please.
    Interesting take on Elon's wealth

    https://www.planetearthandbeyond.co/p/this-is-how-tesla-will-die
    That article is 8 months old - 8 months during which Tesla's market cap has gone from an 'unsustainable' $852bn to, er... $1.42tn 🤷🏻‍♂️

    Beats me.
    I think this article is total bollocks. For example,
    "Let’s compare that to Toyota. They are far larger than Tesla and have far more impactful upcoming EV and self-driving technology than Tesla."
    A key difference between Tesla and Toyota that this guy misses is that Tesla have managed to put their impactful upcoming EV and self-driving technology in an actual car, whereas Toyota's only ever makes it as far as press releases.

    BLOCKQUOTE_FAIL______

    Toyota are dead last in EVs. This is because the guy running the company was viscerally anti-EV and blocked development for years.

    Strangely, not investing in EVs means not having much in the way of EVs.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,900
    Pray silence for the Chosen One...
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,959
    dixiedean said:

    Pray silence for the Chosen One...

    Has Badenoch been letter'd?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,456
    I've had an annoying letter from the Electoral Registration Officer saying my postal vote is about to expire. For a couple of reasons I have decided to go back to voting in person. However...

    To reapply I can go to www.gov.uk/apply-postal-vote and apply online

    But if I no longer wish to have a postal vote "please get in touch using the contact details above".

    Er, why can't I do this online? It's about the third of these letters I have had, if it was easy to cancel my postal vote I would have done so already
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,855
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    algarkirk said:

    Excitement builds.
    Will it be be over by 11.01am?

    Nigel Farage MP
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    I will set out our economic vision for a future Reform government at 11am.

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1985252405361950978

    The general issue is significant. If Reform form a government they will of course have to govern as a high spend, welfare state, massive state provision government. The social democratic post WWII consensus will not have been abolished by the voters. Ask the voters of Clacton what they want in the way of pensions, NHS, free education, police, welfare safety net. All the big costs are there.

    So Farage has to move away from both libertarian small state - interesting idea but wanted by almost no-one, and those who want it are rich - and unicorn stuff about savings made on rainbow flags and lanyards. He will have to run a high spend (loud voice) and therefore high tax (quieter voice) government. Even more so WRT tax if he wants to remove the deficit and start paying back the debt.

    He’s had to cut all his tax reduction policies by the look of it - so what’s left is Government spending vita and his plans to destroy the NHS.
    He doesn’t plan to destroy the NHS. It would still be free at point of use. Just another change to it.

    As for tax, I saw a graphic (wish I could find it) showing how many Reform target seats had rather a lot of PIP and UC claimants. They would be mad to cut that for their client vote.
    Are the Reform voters those in receipt of PIP or UC, or those who don't like the people who are in receipt of PIP or UC?

    Their winning vote shares at GE2024 were: 31%, 35%, 38%, 43% and 46%. They don't need a majority of support.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The most depressing thing about this it might work. If Trump's diseased, misfiring brain thinks this will make a good ratings storyline on today's episode of his show, he'll go for it.


    Scott Adams
    @ScottAdamsSays
    On Monday, I will ask President Trump, via X, to help save my life. He offered to help me if I needed it.

    I need it.

    As many of you know, I have metastasized prostate cancer.

    My healthcare provider, Kaiser of Northern California, has approved my application to receive a newly FDA-approved drug called Pluvicto. But they have dropped the ball in scheduling the brief IV to administer it and I can’t seem to fix that.

    I am declining fast. I will ask President Trump if he can get Kaiser of Northern California to respond and schedule it for Monday. That will give me a fighting chance to stick around on this planet a little bit longer.

    It is not a cure, but it does give good results to many people.

    https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1984915690634252352

    Never heard of it but a quick google says a course of treatment is $250k. Expensive to virtually all of us. About 6 minutes worth of interest for Elon Musk. Wealth taxes please.
    Interesting take on Elon's wealth

    https://www.planetearthandbeyond.co/p/this-is-how-tesla-will-die
    That article is 8 months old - 8 months during which Tesla's market cap has gone from an 'unsustainable' $852bn to, er... $1.42tn 🤷🏻‍♂️

    Beats me.
    The current market is a complete AI bubble - I see little sense and zero logic in it.
    Yes, but is there money in it? Money is what matters, not sense and logic.
    It’s also being driven not just by speculation, it’s not the doctor bubble, but it’s also driven by current earnings and earnings growth. Constraints on this will come. Energy is a big issue for example, and the market will mature.

    It is true the market growth in the S&P500 is largely driven by a handful of companies.

    As long as they keep hitting earnings or beating them this continues. When they don’t there’ll be a correction. On an unrelated note Warren Buffet’s cash pile is at an all time high.

    As I’m 60 now and just retired I have been gradually reducing/amending my equity exposure even in a rising market.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,980
    edited November 3
    Blockquotes gone up in smoke.

    Re - Toyota and EV -

    Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,910

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    algarkirk said:

    Excitement builds.
    Will it be be over by 11.01am?

    Nigel Farage MP
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    I will set out our economic vision for a future Reform government at 11am.

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1985252405361950978

    The general issue is significant. If Reform form a government they will of course have to govern as a high spend, welfare state, massive state provision government. The social democratic post WWII consensus will not have been abolished by the voters. Ask the voters of Clacton what they want in the way of pensions, NHS, free education, police, welfare safety net. All the big costs are there.

    So Farage has to move away from both libertarian small state - interesting idea but wanted by almost no-one, and those who want it are rich - and unicorn stuff about savings made on rainbow flags and lanyards. He will have to run a high spend (loud voice) and therefore high tax (quieter voice) government. Even more so WRT tax if he wants to remove the deficit and start paying back the debt.

    He’s had to cut all his tax reduction policies by the look of it - so what’s left is Government spending vita and his plans to destroy the NHS.
    He doesn’t plan to destroy the NHS. It would still be free at point of use. Just another change to it.

    As for tax, I saw a graphic (wish I could find it) showing how many Reform target seats had rather a lot of PIP and UC claimants. They would be mad to cut that for their client vote.
    Are the Reform voters those in receipt of PIP or UC, or those who don't like the people who are in receipt of PIP or UC?

    Their winning vote shares at GE2024 were: 31%, 35%, 38%, 43% and 46%. They don't need a majority of support.
    It’s more the electors in their target seats being the recipients. You’re right they don’t need a majority, but they could lose seats as a consequence if votes peeled off.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,980

    I've had an annoying letter from the Electoral Registration Officer saying my postal vote is about to expire. For a couple of reasons I have decided to go back to voting in person. However...

    To reapply I can go to www.gov.uk/apply-postal-vote and apply online

    But if I no longer wish to have a postal vote "please get in touch using the contact details above".

    Er, why can't I do this online? It's about the third of these letters I have had, if it was easy to cancel my postal vote I would have done so already

    Random question. If you do nothing, what happens? AIUI you can turn up to the polling station on the day even if you have requested a postal vote and had it in.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,752
    algarkirk said:

    Excitement builds.
    Will it be be over by 11.01am?

    Nigel Farage MP
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    I will set out our economic vision for a future Reform government at 11am.

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1985252405361950978

    The general issue is significant. If Reform form a government they will of course have to govern as a high spend, welfare state, massive state provision government. The social democratic post WWII consensus will not have been abolished by the voters. Ask the voters of Clacton what they want in the way of pensions, NHS, free education, police, welfare safety net. All the big costs are there.

    So Farage has to move away from both libertarian small state - interesting idea but wanted by almost no-one, and those who want it are rich - and unicorn stuff about savings made on rainbow flags and lanyards. He will have to run a high spend (loud voice) and therefore high tax (quieter voice) government. Even more so WRT tax if he wants to remove the deficit and start paying back the debt.

    Why do they "of course have to govern as a high spend, welfare state, massive state provision government"? I think they'll probably (try to) do what they say they will. Their voters may well not like it and vote them out at the next possible opportunity (see the Dutch elections), of course!

    Trump is Farage's biggest inspiration. Trump and MAGA use racism and culture war to distract their voters from the massive cuts in public services and bungs to the wealthy (or, at least, those wealthy who show obesiance to Trump). Maybe that works for Reform too.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,821

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    algarkirk said:

    Excitement builds.
    Will it be be over by 11.01am?

    Nigel Farage MP
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    I will set out our economic vision for a future Reform government at 11am.

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1985252405361950978

    The general issue is significant. If Reform form a government they will of course have to govern as a high spend, welfare state, massive state provision government. The social democratic post WWII consensus will not have been abolished by the voters. Ask the voters of Clacton what they want in the way of pensions, NHS, free education, police, welfare safety net. All the big costs are there.

    So Farage has to move away from both libertarian small state - interesting idea but wanted by almost no-one, and those who want it are rich - and unicorn stuff about savings made on rainbow flags and lanyards. He will have to run a high spend (loud voice) and therefore high tax (quieter voice) government. Even more so WRT tax if he wants to remove the deficit and start paying back the debt.

    He’s had to cut all his tax reduction policies by the look of it - so what’s left is Government spending vita and his plans to destroy the NHS.
    He doesn’t plan to destroy the NHS. It would still be free at point of use. Just another change to it.

    As for tax, I saw a graphic (wish I could find it) showing how many Reform target seats had rather a lot of PIP and UC claimants. They would be mad to cut that for their client vote.
    I'm fascinated by the obsession some have that the right is planning to destroy the NHS. How many years of Tory government have we had since the NHS was formed? And yet its still here. The main principle behind the NHS - free at the point of use - is only broadly true. I pay for dental treatments and prescription charges, for instance. I cannot imagine any government abandoning free at the point of use. But you can imagine a big change to how the NHS is paid for. And to be honest we ought to do more to look at how our competitor nations in Europe do healthcare and nick the best bits.
    Efficiency will come from public health initiatives (lifestyle changes so that people don't get as ill), reducing waiting lists so people get treated at a less severe stage and evaluating and implementing best practice.
    Any means of paying for the NHS, patient contribution, insurance etc, will require more bureaucracy and therefore be less efficient so more costly.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,959

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    algarkirk said:

    Excitement builds.
    Will it be be over by 11.01am?

    Nigel Farage MP
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    I will set out our economic vision for a future Reform government at 11am.

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1985252405361950978

    The general issue is significant. If Reform form a government they will of course have to govern as a high spend, welfare state, massive state provision government. The social democratic post WWII consensus will not have been abolished by the voters. Ask the voters of Clacton what they want in the way of pensions, NHS, free education, police, welfare safety net. All the big costs are there.

    So Farage has to move away from both libertarian small state - interesting idea but wanted by almost no-one, and those who want it are rich - and unicorn stuff about savings made on rainbow flags and lanyards. He will have to run a high spend (loud voice) and therefore high tax (quieter voice) government. Even more so WRT tax if he wants to remove the deficit and start paying back the debt.

    He’s had to cut all his tax reduction policies by the look of it - so what’s left is Government spending vita and his plans to destroy the NHS.
    He doesn’t plan to destroy the NHS. It would still be free at point of use. Just another change to it.

    As for tax, I saw a graphic (wish I could find it) showing how many Reform target seats had rather a lot of PIP and UC claimants. They would be mad to cut that for their client vote.
    Are the Reform voters those in receipt of PIP or UC, or those who don't like the people who are in receipt of PIP or UC?

    Their winning vote shares at GE2024 were: 31%, 35%, 38%, 43% and 46%. They don't need a majority of support.
    If Ref bump Labour into restricting UC/PIP then notLab (inc Ref) will be the winners of the backlash. And in four years time all the greater events will hazy in the voters minds - they'll just remember it happened under a Labour government.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,254

    I've had an annoying letter from the Electoral Registration Officer saying my postal vote is about to expire. For a couple of reasons I have decided to go back to voting in person. However...

    To reapply I can go to www.gov.uk/apply-postal-vote and apply online

    But if I no longer wish to have a postal vote "please get in touch using the contact details above".

    Er, why can't I do this online? It's about the third of these letters I have had, if it was easy to cancel my postal vote I would have done so already

    Sounds as though a postal vote expiring disenfranchises the elector, if it doesn't automatically revert to in-person voting. That seems rather odd.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,980
    Dopermean said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    algarkirk said:

    Excitement builds.
    Will it be be over by 11.01am?

    Nigel Farage MP
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    I will set out our economic vision for a future Reform government at 11am.

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1985252405361950978

    The general issue is significant. If Reform form a government they will of course have to govern as a high spend, welfare state, massive state provision government. The social democratic post WWII consensus will not have been abolished by the voters. Ask the voters of Clacton what they want in the way of pensions, NHS, free education, police, welfare safety net. All the big costs are there.

    So Farage has to move away from both libertarian small state - interesting idea but wanted by almost no-one, and those who want it are rich - and unicorn stuff about savings made on rainbow flags and lanyards. He will have to run a high spend (loud voice) and therefore high tax (quieter voice) government. Even more so WRT tax if he wants to remove the deficit and start paying back the debt.

    He’s had to cut all his tax reduction policies by the look of it - so what’s left is Government spending vita and his plans to destroy the NHS.
    He doesn’t plan to destroy the NHS. It would still be free at point of use. Just another change to it.

    As for tax, I saw a graphic (wish I could find it) showing how many Reform target seats had rather a lot of PIP and UC claimants. They would be mad to cut that for their client vote.
    I'm fascinated by the obsession some have that the right is planning to destroy the NHS. How many years of Tory government have we had since the NHS was formed? And yet its still here. The main principle behind the NHS - free at the point of use - is only broadly true. I pay for dental treatments and prescription charges, for instance. I cannot imagine any government abandoning free at the point of use. But you can imagine a big change to how the NHS is paid for. And to be honest we ought to do more to look at how our competitor nations in Europe do healthcare and nick the best bits.
    Efficiency will come from public health initiatives (lifestyle changes so that people don't get as ill), reducing waiting lists so people get treated at a less severe stage and evaluating and implementing best practice.
    Any means of paying for the NHS, patient contribution, insurance etc, will require more bureaucracy and therefore be less efficient so more costly.
    Good luck with that...

    On funding - the NHS is efficient in terms of value for money, but performs less well in a lot of indicators (for example cancer outcomes). I think we need to look at how other countries deliver better outcomes without an NHS, yet have universal healthcare.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,254

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    algarkirk said:

    Excitement builds.
    Will it be be over by 11.01am?

    Nigel Farage MP
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    I will set out our economic vision for a future Reform government at 11am.

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1985252405361950978

    The general issue is significant. If Reform form a government they will of course have to govern as a high spend, welfare state, massive state provision government. The social democratic post WWII consensus will not have been abolished by the voters. Ask the voters of Clacton what they want in the way of pensions, NHS, free education, police, welfare safety net. All the big costs are there.

    So Farage has to move away from both libertarian small state - interesting idea but wanted by almost no-one, and those who want it are rich - and unicorn stuff about savings made on rainbow flags and lanyards. He will have to run a high spend (loud voice) and therefore high tax (quieter voice) government. Even more so WRT tax if he wants to remove the deficit and start paying back the debt.

    He’s had to cut all his tax reduction policies by the look of it - so what’s left is Government spending vita and his plans to destroy the NHS.
    He doesn’t plan to destroy the NHS. It would still be free at point of use. Just another change to it.

    As for tax, I saw a graphic (wish I could find it) showing how many Reform target seats had rather a lot of PIP and UC claimants. They would be mad to cut that for their client vote.
    I'm fascinated by the obsession some have that the right is planning to destroy the NHS. How many years of Tory government have we had since the NHS was formed? And yet its still here. The main principle behind the NHS - free at the point of use - is only broadly true. I pay for dental treatments and prescription charges, for instance. I cannot imagine any government abandoning free at the point of use. But you can imagine a big change to how the NHS is paid for. And to be honest we ought to do more to look at how our competitor nations in Europe do healthcare and nick the best bits.
    Easy attack line, 24 hours to save the NHS and all that.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,064

    Blockquotes gone up in smoke.

    Re - Toyota and EV -

    Although they were pretty early with say the Prius. I drive an Auris (and the wife has a Yaris) - both excellent hybrids. I would guess the main issues with full EV will be battery related.

    The main issue was that the head of Toyota was full on for the Hydrogen Religion, and hated the idea of EVs. So Toyota spent vast sums on not getting (well, they got some pre-production, insanely expensive examples running) hydrogen fuel cell cars into production.

    So, after spending vast sums on fuel cells and nothing on EV development, strangely, they didn't have EVs.

    They are trying to catch up, frantically, now.

    If they had evolved the Prius into a full EV, they would have cleaned up, I reckon. But they didn't.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,821

    Children to be taught local history in curriculum shake-up
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/1b8b53aaa1e36327

    Non-paywalled gift link.

    TL/DR; More local history, otherwise Michael Gove's ‘Tudors & Nazis’ (and some random topics of a teacher's own choosing) syllabus to remain.

    And a preference for triple over double science to return, so job security for the pb physics teachers amidst a national shortage!

    How local?
    Would this mean regional GCSEs in history?
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