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  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,538
    I’ve taken that line for over 20 years.

    The “guests” to our country don’t pay for their tickets. Cheshunt stop especially - from the Marriott there.

    They’ll jump the barrier or follow someone through at Livwrpool Street. The “guards” couldn’t care less Happens everyday. And it does. Sometimes I wonder about this site - is anyone living in the real world?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,534
    Wow. The fiasco with the freed prisoner is mind blowing. This is probably the most infamous detainee in the country right now. Why wasn't everyone on the staff from the governor downwards overseeing every millisecond of the handover? (When I worked for the Benefits Agency we'd pull out all the stops just to ensure that the old pensioner who'd turned a hundred hadn't croaked before he received his telegram from the Queen.) Lammy (or even Sir Keir for that matter) should fall on his sword, if only to give an inkling that someone somewhere has a scrap of pride.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,821

    Sky

    The escaped Asylum seeker boarded the 12.41 Chelmsford to London train

    This is absurd

    How did he get the money for a ticket? Was he given cash when he was released?
    He’d be in Liverpool St., London soon after 1pm.
    I am not sure how authentic this is but it is on GBnews [ [ do not normally come across GB news on my feeds]

    https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1981784736402940245?s=19
    Why's is anyone surprised he had money? He almost certainly had some kind of card - prepay credit card? - from his life before prison. He will have been working illegally - cash in hand, etc.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,290
    This story is going to run and run. As others have said, the media have now picked up the narrative of this being a wider problem re accidental release.

    This is exactly one of those stories that cuts through.

    They’re absolutely screwed.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,821

    Sky

    The escaped Asylum seeker boarded the 12.41 Chelmsford to London train

    This is absurd

    How did he get the money for a ticket? Was he given cash when he was released?
    He’d be in Liverpool St., London soon after 1pm.
    Maybe the producers of the Channel 4 programme "Hunted" are performing some sort of real life experiment. Having honed their skills on the slightly faux chasing of Joe Public...
    The original version of that show (hosted by Richard Littlejohn), for the live show they had to stay in a public phone box (remember those) for the hour while the hunters attempted to identify where they were and get to them.

    I remember one couple genius play. They went to a phone box up a mountain where they were only one road up to the top and the land at the bottom was farmed. They got a farmer to leave his farm equipment blocking the road all the way up. They knew even if the hunter left their car at the bottom they couldn't run up the track to get to them in the hour.

    They literally told everybody where they were and just stood there laughing for the whole hour.
    Hmmm


  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,241

    Sky

    The escaped Asylum seeker boarded the 12.41 Chelmsford to London train

    This is absurd

    How did he get the money for a ticket? Was he given cash when he was released?
    He’d be in Liverpool St., London soon after 1pm.
    Maybe the producers of the Channel 4 programme "Hunted" are performing some sort of real life experiment. Having honed their skills on the slightly faux chasing of Joe Public...
    The original version of that show (hosted by Richard Littlejohn), for the live show they had to stay in a public phone box (remember those) for the hour while the hunters attempted to identify where they were and get to them.

    I remember one couple genius play. They went to a phone box up a mountain where they were only one road up to the top and the land at the bottom was farmed. They got a farmer to leave his farm equipment blocking the road all the way up. They knew even if the hunter left their car at the bottom they couldn't run up the track to get to them in the hour.

    They literally told everybody where they were and just stood there laughing for the whole hour.
    Hmmm


    One of my favourite variations of the Arnie catchphrase.

    "I'll be back"
    "Only in a re-run!"
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,904

    Sky

    The escaped Asylum seeker boarded the 12.41 Chelmsford to London train

    This is absurd

    How did he get the money for a ticket? Was he given cash when he was released?
    He’d be in Liverpool St., London soon after 1pm.
    Maybe the producers of the Channel 4 programme "Hunted" are performing some sort of real life experiment. Having honed their skills on the slightly faux chasing of Joe Public...
    The original version of that show (hosted by Richard Littlejohn), for the live show they had to stay in a public phone box (remember those) for the hour while the hunters attempted to identify where they were and get to them.

    I remember one couple genius play. They went to a phone box up a mountain where they were only one road up to the top and the land at the bottom was farmed. They got a farmer to leave his farm equipment blocking the road all the way up. They knew even if the hunter left their car at the bottom they couldn't run up the track to get to them in the hour.

    They literally told everybody where they were and just stood there laughing for the whole hour.
    Hmmm


    They’re remaking that. It looks rubbish.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,492

    First, thank you, Cyclefree, for what you do.

    Second, I think we should not neglect the cases of abuse against boys. An example:

    Background: The O.K. Boys Ranch was a group home in Olympia, Washington, sponsored by the local Kiwanis Club, that operated from 1971 to 1994.
    Closure: The ranch was shut down in 1994 after numerous allegations of severe and ongoing physical, sexual, and emotional abuse by staff members.
    (Copied from a Google AI summary using a search on "O. K. Boys Ranch".)

    Why not Wikipedia? Because Wikipedia does not have an entry for the ranch -- and Wikipedia's "Kiwanis" entry is just a stub.



    You should have been to a British public school in the seventies, Jim.

    At mine they discovered four teachers were molesting boys, got them to leave quietly, and gave them references for another school.

    A decade or so later, they were jailed for offences at that one.

    Can't find their cases online anymore; right to be forgotten data removal.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,874

    Wow. The fiasco with the freed prisoner is mind blowing. This is probably the most infamous detainee in the country right now. Why wasn't everyone on the staff from the governor downwards overseeing every millisecond of the handover? (When I worked for the Benefits Agency we'd pull out all the stops just to ensure that the old pensioner who'd turned a hundred hadn't croaked before he received his telegram from the Queen.) Lammy (or even Sir Keir for that matter) should fall on his sword, if only to give an inkling that someone somewhere has a scrap of pride.

    Axel Rudabakana aside, in PR terms this is probably the last prisoner the government would want to be mistakenly released
  • rcs1000 said:

    Regarding the subject of the header, as people here know, I don't subscribe to the cultural reason for the grooming gangs phenomena.

    I don't care how mediaeval your cultural hinterland is, if you step over the mark and get very harshly punished, you stop.

    Look at the recent epidemic of shoplifting. We don't need to go raking through our culture for a history of shoplifting - shoplifting happens because of the absence of consequences.

    I believe that if the enquiry is genuine, the blame will be placed overwhelmingly on the police, and others in authority, whose inaction or collusion led this to reach massive proportions.

    I think that is why the authorities would like to widen the enquiry's scope - not to avoid the finger of blame being pointed at minorities, but to avoid it being pointed at themselves. Indeed, if push comes to shove, I firmly believe the Jess Phillips of this world will stab community relations in the back and blame it all on culture.

    I don't think most people on here realise how fundamentally broken the care system is in the UK.

    Kids don't get easily taken from their parents. And if they do, they mostly get sent to other family members,

    If you end up in the care system proper, then you are almost certainly the victim of abuse and neglect. You will probably have been excluded from school. You will likely have substance issues.

    Social services does their best, but these are exceptionally damaged kids, who have been fucked over by every adult they've ever gotten close to. Not to mention the fact that the girls are regularly sexually abused by the boys.

    I knew a kid at Cambridge who had come out the care system. He was one of the most traumatised people I've ever known. His stories would be unbelievable to anyone on here who doesn't know social care.

    He was the exception. I doubt a fraction of 1% of people in the care system make it to any kind of university. Most reach 18 and graduate from these homes go straight into a life of benefits and petty crime.

    This is still going on today.

    The police know how fucked up social care is. They know that the girls have been abused and some have been picked up for soliciting. They know they are inarticulate and make poor witnesses. Even without the ethnic element, they were lazy because these were not easy cases to make.

    I would love it if - now we know about the grooming gangs - that kids (particularly girls) in care were less likely to be raped and abused. Sadly, I think it is hghly unlikely. As a society, we've chosen to pretend these problems don't exist, because they are really difficult problems to solve.
    It seems wrong to 'like' that post, but very well written and wholeheartedly agree.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,874

    Sky

    The escaped Asylum seeker boarded the 12.41 Chelmsford to London train

    This is absurd

    How did he get the money for a ticket? Was he given cash when he was released?
    He’d be in Liverpool St., London soon after 1pm.

    I am not sure how authentic this is but it is on GBnews [ I do not normally come across GB news on my feeds]

    https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1981784736402940245?s=19
    Astonishing.

    That is Chelmsford alright, I bought a pair of trainers from that Schuh last week! And they are pointing him towards the station.

    This is incredible
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,492
    He's still to explain, as far as I'm aware, why that's relevant when the alleged offences were committed before Starmer was in government.

    Anyone ?

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,241
    ohnotnow said:

    Sky

    The escaped Asylum seeker boarded the 12.41 Chelmsford to London train

    This is absurd

    Admittedly, one of Agatha Christies lesser known works.
    Trying to escape anywhere in Britain by relying on a train is a ballsy move.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,516
    edited October 24
    Have been hitting up some of my old poker contacts about the big FBI case of the rigged poker / gambling scandal. Some absolutely wild stories of Israeli mob, porn industry, Justin Bieber's mansion....

    Apparently the case all kicked off because a guy lost $1 million in a game, wouldn't pay and was then threatened with being blown up by grenade attack. He went to the police, who busted on game, the guy who was running it then slipped the beans on the really big game.

    But criminals aren't very bright. One NBA player who makes $25 million a year was throwing games for $25k. And the central case was allegedly 30 people to run the rigged poker games which they made $7 million out it. Sounds good until you find out the central guy was an superstar NBA player / coach who has made $100 million and still making millions a year coaching. 7 million split 30 ways...

    Even if like so many sports stars he wasted his cut of $100 million, still making millions a year as a coach versus cutting a million 30 ways....
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,290

    Wow. The fiasco with the freed prisoner is mind blowing. This is probably the most infamous detainee in the country right now. Why wasn't everyone on the staff from the governor downwards overseeing every millisecond of the handover? (When I worked for the Benefits Agency we'd pull out all the stops just to ensure that the old pensioner who'd turned a hundred hadn't croaked before he received his telegram from the Queen.) Lammy (or even Sir Keir for that matter) should fall on his sword, if only to give an inkling that someone somewhere has a scrap of pride.

    They’ll do absolutely everything they can to avoid resignations on this topic. They’ll say it’s an operational issue, and play the “I’m staying to fix it” gambit. They have some justification that it’s not exactly the fault of ministers here, but resignation or no it’s hard to think of something much more toxic for this government and this PM.

    It plays directly into the Reform narrative that Labour aren’t serious about fixing the system, they’re incompetent, they can’t get a grip on anything to do with asylum and Starmer is too weak. Labour know this is all coming. See how quickly Lammy came out with a statement and Starmer took to twitter to plaintively cry “deport! deport!”
  • Nigelb said:

    He's still to explain, as far as I'm aware, why that's relevant when the alleged offences were committed before Starmer was in government.

    Anyone ?

    Because the issue isn't that offences were committed, but the reason why the prosecution collapsed.

    He says prosecutors were asking 'not what the then Government was prepared to do, or did, say in public about China (whether framed as its policy or otherwise, and whether as a matter of fact true or not), but rather whether China was - as a matter of fact - an active threat to national security'
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,655

    Sky

    The escaped Asylum seeker boarded the 12.41 Chelmsford to London train

    This is absurd

    How did he get the money for a ticket? Was he given cash when he was released?
    He’d be in Liverpool St., London soon after 1pm.
    Maybe the producers of the Channel 4 programme "Hunted" are performing some sort of real life experiment. Having honed their skills on the slightly faux chasing of Joe Public...
    The original version of that show (hosted by Richard Littlejohn), for the live show they had to stay in a public phone box (remember those) for the hour while the hunters attempted to identify where they were and get to them.

    I remember one couple genius play. They went to a phone box up a mountain where they were only one road up to the top and the land at the bottom was farmed. They got a farmer to leave his farm equipment blocking the road all the way up. They knew even if the hunter left their car at the bottom they couldn't run up the track to get to them in the hour.

    They literally told everybody where they were and just stood there laughing for the whole hour.
    Hmmm


    The only thing they got wrong was which term...

    From Wiki, the plot of Running Man

    By 2017, following a worldwide economic collapse and resource scarcity, the United States has become a totalitarian police state. The government maintains control through propaganda, censoring unsanctioned art, music, and communications.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,821

    Nigelb said:

    He's still to explain, as far as I'm aware, why that's relevant when the alleged offences were committed before Starmer was in government.

    Anyone ?

    Because the issue isn't that offences were committed, but the reason why the prosecution collapsed.

    He says prosecutors were asking 'not what the then Government was prepared to do, or did, say in public about China (whether framed as its policy or otherwise, and whether as a matter of fact true or not), but rather whether China was - as a matter of fact - an active threat to national security'
    And as @DavidL pointed out, and we followed up earlier, the procession under 1 (1) (c) of the Official Secrets Act is about providing secret information to *anyone* that might assist an enemy. So if you give secret information to an actual saint, you are still on the hook.

    The "enemies" stuff is garbage.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,874

    Wow. The fiasco with the freed prisoner is mind blowing. This is probably the most infamous detainee in the country right now. Why wasn't everyone on the staff from the governor downwards overseeing every millisecond of the handover? (When I worked for the Benefits Agency we'd pull out all the stops just to ensure that the old pensioner who'd turned a hundred hadn't croaked before he received his telegram from the Queen.) Lammy (or even Sir Keir for that matter) should fall on his sword, if only to give an inkling that someone somewhere has a scrap of pride.

    They’ll do absolutely everything they can to avoid resignations on this topic. They’ll say it’s an operational issue, and play the “I’m staying to fix it” gambit. They have some justification that it’s not exactly the fault of ministers here, but resignation or no it’s hard to think of something much more toxic for this government and this PM.

    It plays directly into the Reform narrative that Labour aren’t serious about fixing the system, they’re incompetent, they can’t get a grip on anything to do with asylum and Starmer is too weak. Labour know this is all coming. See how quickly Lammy came out with a statement and Starmer took to twitter to plaintively cry “deport! deport!”
    Not really a valid attack, but an attack that could be used none the less; one of the first things Labour did after gaining power was to appoint someone as Prisons Minister someone who thought half of the prison population shouldn't be locked up
  • Nigelb said:

    He's still to explain, as far as I'm aware, why that's relevant when the alleged offences were committed before Starmer was in government.

    Anyone ?

    The Director of Public Prosecutions has apparently contradicted Starmer's account

    It seems this is very complex but the select committees will no doubt get to the bottom of why the trial collapsed and who was responsible and why
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,531
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The latest YouGov MRP for Caerphilly had the following figures

    Ref 32%
    PC 24%
    Lab 22%
    Con 8%
    LD 6%
    Grn 6%
    Oth 2%

    So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.

    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53059-yougov-mrp-shows-a-reform-uk-government-a-near-certainty-if-an-election-were-held-tomorrow

    You really do not know Welsh politics do you ?
    I know that Labour will do better than 11% at a general election.
    How do you know ?

    They may but they have been in office ever since devolution and it is looking very similar to Labour's collapse to the SNP in Scotland
    Labour have been in opposition for 14 years in Scotland though, in government in Wales since 1999 and are in power in the UK now.

    Ironically Labour probably have their best chance of winning most seats in Holyrood at the moment, even if slim. Purely because there they will be the party of change from the SNP (and as the Hamilton by election earlier this year showed they can win in Scotland in SNP held constituencies with Tory and LD tactical votes currently going to Plaid and Reform in Wales and Reform and LD in England)
    You have discounted the fact that Scottish Labour, and particularly Anas Sarwar, have been spectacularly useless since Hamilton, and have not attempted to protect Scottish interests, for example over the closure of Grangemouth. To gain tactical votes they need to show some degree of competence. Otherwise they will fall to Welsh levels of support.
    The SNP are at least as useless and as Hamilton showed have leaked some of their 2021 votes to Reform. Scottish Tory and LD Unionists would also hold their nose and tactically vote for unionist Scottish Labour to beat the SNP.

    Labour were down just 2% in Hamilton on the 2021 Holyrood election, compared to down 14% in Runcorn on the last UK GE in 2024 and down a massive 34% in Caerphilly on the 2021 Senedd election.

    The SNP were down 16% on 2021 in Hamilton, Plaid though up 19% in Caerphilly on 2021 and Reform up 20% in Runcorn on 2024
    I’m surprised and disappointed that you seem to have given up on your own party aiming to be the recipient of tactical votes from anti-reform unionists.
    In Scotland, like London Reform are not really a big factor and generally poll third, as opposed to first UK wide and at least second in Wales.

    So in Scotland Labour will hope to benefit from unionist tactical votes to unseat SNP constituency MSPs, while Conservatives would at least hope to win unionist tactical votes to hold their seats from the SNP
    That reminds me :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgk9xxg982o

    "Police are investigating "irregularities" in the finances of the Alba Party after a complaint was raised by the party's leadership in May.

    It follows a row between the party and its former general secretary, Chris McEleny, who was dismissed earlier this year after initially being suspended for alleged gross misconduct.

    A source close to McEleny said he was "completely content that the finances of the party under the leadership of Alex Salmond were both sound and compliant".

    But an Alba Party spokesperson said Salmond had "concerns about the management of the party"."

    So if the total of Alba's voters shift their choice - that's another dozen or so votes for Labour or the SNP.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,494
    isam said:

    Sky

    The escaped Asylum seeker boarded the 12.41 Chelmsford to London train

    This is absurd

    How did he get the money for a ticket? Was he given cash when he was released?
    He’d be in Liverpool St., London soon after 1pm.

    I am not sure how authentic this is but it is on GBnews [ I do not normally come across GB news on my feeds]

    https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1981784736402940245?s=19
    Astonishing.

    That is Chelmsford alright, I bought a pair of trainers from that Schuh last week! And they are pointing him towards the station.

    This is incredible
    This will be a good test of the Met's facial recognition software.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,516
    A hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was apparently seen walking around a town centre hours after he was released from prison by mistake.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15224639/Manhunt-Epping-hotel-migrant-sex-attacker-accidentally-freed-prison.html
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,821
    rcs1000 said:

    Regarding the subject of the header, as people here know, I don't subscribe to the cultural reason for the grooming gangs phenomena.

    I don't care how mediaeval your cultural hinterland is, if you step over the mark and get very harshly punished, you stop.

    Look at the recent epidemic of shoplifting. We don't need to go raking through our culture for a history of shoplifting - shoplifting happens because of the absence of consequences.

    I believe that if the enquiry is genuine, the blame will be placed overwhelmingly on the police, and others in authority, whose inaction or collusion led this to reach massive proportions.

    I think that is why the authorities would like to widen the enquiry's scope - not to avoid the finger of blame being pointed at minorities, but to avoid it being pointed at themselves. Indeed, if push comes to shove, I firmly believe the Jess Phillips of this world will stab community relations in the back and blame it all on culture.

    I don't think most people on here realise how fundamentally broken the care system is in the UK.

    Kids don't get easily taken from their parents. And if they do, they mostly get sent to other family members,

    If you end up in the care system proper, then you are almost certainly the victim of abuse and neglect. You will probably have been excluded from school. You will likely have substance issues.

    Social services does their best, but these are exceptionally damaged kids, who have been fucked over by every adult they've ever gotten close to. Not to mention the fact that the girls are regularly sexually abused by the boys.

    I knew a kid at Cambridge who had come out the care system. He was one of the most traumatised people I've ever known. His stories would be unbelievable to anyone on here who doesn't know social care.

    He was the exception. I doubt a fraction of 1% of people in the care system make it to any kind of university. Most reach 18 and graduate from these homes go straight into a life of benefits and petty crime.

    This is still going on today.

    The police know how fucked up social care is. They know that the girls have been abused and some have been picked up for soliciting. They know they are inarticulate and make poor witnesses. Even without the ethnic element, they were lazy because these were not easy cases to make.

    I would love it if - now we know about the grooming gangs - that kids (particularly girls) in care were less likely to be raped and abused. Sadly, I think it is hghly unlikely. As a society, we've chosen to pretend these problems don't exist, because they are really difficult problems to solve.
    At my rowing club, we do school holidays rowing camps for the local kids. Some have trouble turning up - because they are the one vaguely responsible person in their "family" and need to arrange child care for their siblings. Rowing on the Tideway is their couple of hours of release from that. A team in a boat, something that actually works.

    And those are the ones who haven't fallen to the very bottom of the heap.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,241

    isam said:

    Sky

    The escaped Asylum seeker boarded the 12.41 Chelmsford to London train

    This is absurd

    How did he get the money for a ticket? Was he given cash when he was released?
    He’d be in Liverpool St., London soon after 1pm.

    I am not sure how authentic this is but it is on GBnews [ I do not normally come across GB news on my feeds]

    https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1981784736402940245?s=19
    Astonishing.

    That is Chelmsford alright, I bought a pair of trainers from that Schuh last week! And they are pointing him towards the station.

    This is incredible
    This will be a good test of the Met's facial recognition software.
    Has anyone checked the Louvre for him? With their cameras he could be living in it by now.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,310
    This could be our OJ moment.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,494
    On topic, this mess shows why granting a second national inquiry (against their better judgement) was a bad idea. There are a series of local scandals with different characteristics, that the new inquiry is struggling to mesh together. Better would have been a national review of the local inquiries.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,216
    edited October 24
    Fingers crossed that the fugitive doesn't commit any more crimes,
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,516
    Eabhal said:

    This could be our OJ moment.

    Rather than a Ford Bronco speeding along the highway, the police stop a bus that is acting as a rail replacement service?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,821
    Cyclefree said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Regarding the subject of the header, as people here know, I don't subscribe to the cultural reason for the grooming gangs phenomena.

    I don't care how mediaeval your cultural hinterland is, if you step over the mark and get very harshly punished, you stop.

    Look at the recent epidemic of shoplifting. We don't need to go raking through our culture for a history of shoplifting - shoplifting happens because of the absence of consequences.

    I believe that if the enquiry is genuine, the blame will be placed overwhelmingly on the police, and others in authority, whose inaction or collusion led this to reach massive proportions.

    I think that is why the authorities would like to widen the enquiry's scope - not to avoid the finger of blame being pointed at minorities, but to avoid it being pointed at themselves. Indeed, if push comes to shove, I firmly believe the Jess Phillips of this world will stab community relations in the back and blame it all on culture.

    I don't think most people on here realise how fundamentally broken the care system is in the UK.

    Kids don't get easily taken from their parents. And if they do, they mostly get sent to other family members,

    If you end up in the care system proper, then you are almost certainly the victim of abuse and neglect. You will probably have been excluded from school. You will likely have substance issues.

    Social services does their best, but these are exceptionally damaged kids, who have been fucked over by every adult they've ever gotten close to. Not to mention the fact that the girls are regularly sexually abused by the boys.

    I knew a kid at Cambridge who had come out the care system. He was one of the most traumatised people I've ever known. His stories would be unbelievable to anyone on here who doesn't know social care.

    He was the exception. I doubt a fraction of 1% of people in the care system make it to any kind of university. Most reach 18 and graduate from these homes go straight into a life of benefits and petty crime.

    This is still going on today.

    The police know how fucked up social care is. They know that the girls have been abused and some have been picked up for soliciting. They know they are inarticulate and make poor witnesses. Even without the ethnic element, they were lazy because these were not easy cases to make.

    I would love it if - now we know about the grooming gangs - that kids (particularly girls) in care were less likely to be raped and abused. Sadly, I think it is hghly unlikely. As a society, we've chosen to pretend these problems don't exist, because they are really difficult problems to solve.
    Worth noting though that not all the girls who were victims of these gangs were in care. In many cases, their parents tried to intervene and help and report matters to the police and were fobbed off by them. In one case, the father was threatened with arrest.

    What were schools doing, for instance?

    When I was a teenager my uncle was staying with us. He was much younger than my mother and a very handsome Italian. He walked me to school one morning and kissed me goodbye (normal peck on the cheek) before I went in. A teacher must have seen as I was called in to be asked who he was etc and the school then checked with my mother to make sure that what I had told them was correct. It all seemed perfectly normal to me - that adults would be noticing what children they were responsible for were doing and checking that it was all ok.

    Did no-one notice that young girls were going round with men old enough to be their fathers? Adults in this country need to learn to behave like adults. I realise this may seem a hideously old-fashioned view. But I don't care. Too many adults have forgotten this and behave like petulant teenagers instead. We need some grown ups in charge everywhere. See also the evidence which has come out today in the Southport murders case - which is really chilling. An experienced teacher did her job and was shut down by some idiot who failed to engage brain and think.
    Read the Winston Smith blog - it's archived online - http://winstonsmith33.blogspot.com

    He tells you how it works - the care staff had to watch as these girls went out to meet their "friends". It was (and is) illegal to restrain them. If he even grabbed an arm, he (Winston Smith() would be dobbed in by his manager and charged with assaulting a child.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,348
    edited October 24

    Sky

    The escaped Asylum seeker boarded the 12.41 Chelmsford to London train

    This is absurd

    How did he get the money for a ticket? Was he given cash when he was released?
    He’d be in Liverpool St., London soon after 1pm.
    Maybe the producers of the Channel 4 programme "Hunted" are performing some sort of real life experiment. Having honed their skills on the slightly faux chasing of Joe Public...
    The original version of that show (hosted by Richard Littlejohn), for the live show they had to stay in a public phone box (remember those) for the hour while the hunters attempted to identify where they were and get to them.

    I remember one couple genius play. They went to a phone box up a mountain where they were only one road up to the top and the land at the bottom was farmed. They got a farmer to leave his farm equipment blocking the road all the way up. They knew even if the hunter left their car at the bottom they couldn't run up the track to get to them in the hour.

    They literally told everybody where they were and just stood there laughing for the whole hour.
    Hmmm


    The upcoming remake doesn't look that bad. It's a vehicle for Glen Powell, the guy who played Hangman in Top Gun: Maverick, and it seems to trot along happily. Often remakes of classics/cult classics don't work, but the 1980s original with Arnie wasn't that great, so hopefully the new one directed by Edgar Wright should be OK

    https://youtu.be/UsmiRIozzvw?si=tJCrCSZBSMtT2YbX
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,492
    rcs1000 said:

    Regarding the subject of the header, as people here know, I don't subscribe to the cultural reason for the grooming gangs phenomena.

    I don't care how mediaeval your cultural hinterland is, if you step over the mark and get very harshly punished, you stop.

    Look at the recent epidemic of shoplifting. We don't need to go raking through our culture for a history of shoplifting - shoplifting happens because of the absence of consequences.

    I believe that if the enquiry is genuine, the blame will be placed overwhelmingly on the police, and others in authority, whose inaction or collusion led this to reach massive proportions.

    I think that is why the authorities would like to widen the enquiry's scope - not to avoid the finger of blame being pointed at minorities, but to avoid it being pointed at themselves. Indeed, if push comes to shove, I firmly believe the Jess Phillips of this world will stab community relations in the back and blame it all on culture.

    I don't think most people on here realise how fundamentally broken the care system is in the UK.

    Kids don't get easily taken from their parents. And if they do, they mostly get sent to other family members,

    If you end up in the care system proper, then you are almost certainly the victim of abuse and neglect. You will probably have been excluded from school. You will likely have substance issues.

    Social services does their best, but these are exceptionally damaged kids, who have been fucked over by every adult they've ever gotten close to. Not to mention the fact that the girls are regularly sexually abused by the boys.

    I knew a kid at Cambridge who had come out the care system. He was one of the most traumatised people I've ever known. His stories would be unbelievable to anyone on here who doesn't know social care.

    He was the exception. I doubt a fraction of 1% of people in the care system make it to any kind of university...
    Google says it's just under 15%.
    It's a bit too easy to write off all kids in care like that.

    But you're right that many are damaged or deeply traumatised, and dealing with kids in care is one of the harder ways to earn a living.

    How many PBers are social workers, foster carers, or even independent visitors ?

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,310
    edited October 24

    Eabhal said:

    This could be our OJ moment.

    Rather than a Ford Bronco speeding along the highway, the police stop a bus that is acting as a rail replacement service?
    He pushes past Jenrick at a ticket barrier.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,492

    Nigelb said:

    He's still to explain, as far as I'm aware, why that's relevant when the alleged offences were committed before Starmer was in government.

    Anyone ?

    Because the issue isn't that offences were committed, but the reason why the prosecution collapsed.

    He says prosecutors were asking 'not what the then Government was prepared to do, or did, say in public about China (whether framed as its policy or otherwise, and whether as a matter of fact true or not), but rather whether China was - as a matter of fact - an active threat to national security'
    I still don't see the relevance.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,538

    A hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was apparently seen walking around a town centre hours after he was released from prison by mistake.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15224639/Manhunt-Epping-hotel-migrant-sex-attacker-accidentally-freed-prison.html

    It’s ok though. According to posters like Tres on this very site, this isn’t a child molestor. They only touched a knee (lol!). And were only prosecuted and subsequently jailed due purely to the colour of their skin and the inherent prejudice of the judicial system.

    It must be a “cultural” thing I’m unaware of and I must understand and be educated more to alleviate my unconscious bias against child abuse.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,216
    edited October 24
    edit
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,241
    edited October 24
    viewcode said:

    Sky

    The escaped Asylum seeker boarded the 12.41 Chelmsford to London train

    This is absurd

    How did he get the money for a ticket? Was he given cash when he was released?
    He’d be in Liverpool St., London soon after 1pm.
    Maybe the producers of the Channel 4 programme "Hunted" are performing some sort of real life experiment. Having honed their skills on the slightly faux chasing of Joe Public...
    The original version of that show (hosted by Richard Littlejohn), for the live show they had to stay in a public phone box (remember those) for the hour while the hunters attempted to identify where they were and get to them.

    I remember one couple genius play. They went to a phone box up a mountain where they were only one road up to the top and the land at the bottom was farmed. They got a farmer to leave his farm equipment blocking the road all the way up. They knew even if the hunter left their car at the bottom they couldn't run up the track to get to them in the hour.

    They literally told everybody where they were and just stood there laughing for the whole hour.
    Hmmm


    The upcoming remake doesn't look that bad. It's a vehicle for the guy who played Hangman in Top Gun: Maverick, and it seems to trot along happily. Often remakes of classics/cult classics don't work, but the 1980s original with Arnie wasn't that great, so hopefully the new one directed by Edgar Wright should be OK

    https://youtu.be/UsmiRIozzvw?si=tJCrCSZBSMtT2YbX
    The remake sounds interesting in that (as I understand it, anyway - could be wrong) it's much more along the lines of the Bachman/King novel and a giant game of Hunted across the continent than it is the awesome but schlocky uber-violent-Crystal-Maze that the 80's film was.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,492

    Nigelb said:

    He's still to explain, as far as I'm aware, why that's relevant when the alleged offences were committed before Starmer was in government.

    Anyone ?

    The Director of Public Prosecutions has apparently contradicted Starmer's account

    It seems this is very complex but the select committees will no doubt get to the bottom of why the trial collapsed and who was responsible and why
    It's all a bit pass the blame parcel, and quite unclear where it actually belongs.

    A well functioning criminal justice system would have seen them in court before Starmer took office, of course.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,838
    edited October 24
    Horribly big news, on topic



    The Metropolitan Police is reviewing 9,000 cases in a huge new grooming gangs probe despite Mayor of London Sadiq Khan’s previous denials any operated in the capital.

    The announcement comes after an Express/MyLondon investigation exposed several potential grooming gang cases in London appeared to have been overlooked.
    Khan has repeatedly stated there were “no reports” or “indications” that London was blighted by the type of abuse that affected towns like Rochdale and Rotherham.

    But on Friday evening, the Met revealed it has 9,000 cases to reassess.

    In a letter from Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley to the Mayor, London’s top cop tells Khan he is “responding to questions about child sexual exploitation” adding that “any sexual offending against children is abhorrent but group-based offending, including that characterised as ‘Grooming Gangs’, is particularly insidious. And devastating in its profound impact on the children affected.”




    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2125659/met-police-grooming-gang-cases-reopen
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,516
    Rachel Reeves will slash the tax-free cash Isa allowance at next month’s Budget.

    The Treasury will roughly halve the £20,000 amount that can be shielded from tax in an attempt to encourage savers to invest in stocks and shares.

    Lucy Rigby, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, told The Telegraph the reforms could be described as “Thatcherite”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/24/reeves-to-slash-cash-isas-in-budget/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,492
    Scott_xP said:

    Sky

    The escaped Asylum seeker boarded the 12.41 Chelmsford to London train

    This is absurd

    How did he get the money for a ticket? Was he given cash when he was released?
    He’d be in Liverpool St., London soon after 1pm.
    Maybe the producers of the Channel 4 programme "Hunted" are performing some sort of real life experiment. Having honed their skills on the slightly faux chasing of Joe Public...
    The original version of that show (hosted by Richard Littlejohn), for the live show they had to stay in a public phone box (remember those) for the hour while the hunters attempted to identify where they were and get to them.

    I remember one couple genius play. They went to a phone box up a mountain where they were only one road up to the top and the land at the bottom was farmed. They got a farmer to leave his farm equipment blocking the road all the way up. They knew even if the hunter left their car at the bottom they couldn't run up the track to get to them in the hour.

    They literally told everybody where they were and just stood there laughing for the whole hour.
    Hmmm


    The only thing they got wrong was which term...

    From Wiki, the plot of Running Man

    By 2017, following a worldwide economic collapse and resource scarcity, the United States has become a totalitarian police state. The government maintains control through propaganda, censoring unsanctioned art, music, and communications.
    Are Miller and Homan featuring in the remake ?
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 251

    Rachel Reeves will slash the tax-free cash Isa allowance at next month’s Budget.

    The Treasury will roughly halve the £20,000 amount that can be shielded from tax in an attempt to encourage savers to invest in stocks and shares.

    Lucy Rigby, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, told The Telegraph the reforms could be described as “Thatcherite”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/24/reeves-to-slash-cash-isas-in-budget/

    Very annoying for those of us saving for a house deposit!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,216
    It must be nice to be handed £76 for no particular reason.

    "Asylum seeker seen on the streets of Chelmsford after being handed £76 and allowed to leave jail by accident"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/24/epping-migrant-sex-offender-accidentally-released-prison/
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,531

    Rachel Reeves will slash the tax-free cash Isa allowance at next month’s Budget.

    The Treasury will roughly halve the £20,000 amount that can be shielded from tax in an attempt to encourage savers to invest in stocks and shares.

    Lucy Rigby, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, told The Telegraph the reforms could be described as “Thatcherite”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/24/reeves-to-slash-cash-isas-in-budget/

    Very annoying for those of us saving for a house deposit!
    Luckily they will have built no new houses so you're saved from disappointment on that score as well as saving on bothering to save! Winning all round!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,492
    No denial that it was a corrupt act.
    And btw, the felon pled guilty.

    Reporter: On the pardon, Binance has significant business interests with the President’s family’s crypto company. How do you respond to allegations that this is a corrupt act?

    Leavitt: The President is exercising his constitutional authority to grant clemency requests. This was an overly prosecuted case by the Biden administration.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1981417027442266367
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,516
    edited October 24
    Nigelb said:

    No denial that it was a corrupt act.
    And btw, the felon pled guilty.

    Reporter: On the pardon, Binance has significant business interests with the President’s family’s crypto company. How do you respond to allegations that this is a corrupt act?

    Leavitt: The President is exercising his constitutional authority to grant clemency requests. This was an overly prosecuted case by the Biden administration.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1981417027442266367

    I never understood why this power even exists. Its is just open for corruption and has been repeatedly.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,509

    Rachel Reeves will slash the tax-free cash Isa allowance at next month’s Budget.

    The Treasury will roughly halve the £20,000 amount that can be shielded from tax in an attempt to encourage savers to invest in stocks and shares.

    Lucy Rigby, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, told The Telegraph the reforms could be described as “Thatcherite”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/24/reeves-to-slash-cash-isas-in-budget/

    Very annoying for those of us saving for a house deposit!
    Why? Reliable cash returns can look like stocks:

    https://www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-discounts,-prices--and--factsheets/search-results/r/royal-london-short-term-money-market-class-y-accumulation
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,034
    edited October 24
    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The latest YouGov MRP for Caerphilly had the following figures

    Ref 32%
    PC 24%
    Lab 22%
    Con 8%
    LD 6%
    Grn 6%
    Oth 2%

    So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.

    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53059-yougov-mrp-shows-a-reform-uk-government-a-near-certainty-if-an-election-were-held-tomorrow

    You really do not know Welsh politics do you ?
    I know that Labour will do better than 11% at a general election.
    How do you know ?

    They may but they have been in office ever since devolution and it is looking very similar to Labour's collapse to the SNP in Scotland
    Labour have been in opposition for 14 years in Scotland though, in government in Wales since 1999 and are in power in the UK now.

    Ironically Labour probably have their best chance of winning most seats in Holyrood at the moment, even if slim. Purely because there they will be the party of change from the SNP (and as the Hamilton by election earlier this year showed they can win in Scotland in SNP held constituencies with Tory and LD tactical votes currently going to Plaid and Reform in Wales and Reform and LD in England)
    You have discounted the fact that Scottish Labour, and particularly Anas Sarwar, have been spectacularly useless since Hamilton, and have not attempted to protect Scottish interests, for example over the closure of Grangemouth. To gain tactical votes they need to show some degree of competence. Otherwise they will fall to Welsh levels of support.
    The SNP are at least as useless and as Hamilton showed have leaked some of their 2021 votes to Reform. Scottish Tory and LD Unionists would also hold their nose and tactically vote for unionist Scottish Labour to beat the SNP.

    Labour were down just 2% in Hamilton on the 2021 Holyrood election, compared to down 14% in Runcorn on the last UK GE in 2024 and down a massive 34% in Caerphilly on the 2021 Senedd election.

    The SNP were down 16% on 2021 in Hamilton, Plaid though up 19% in Caerphilly on 2021 and Reform up 20% in Runcorn on 2024
    I’m surprised and disappointed that you seem to have given up on your own party aiming to be the recipient of tactical votes from anti-reform unionists.
    In Scotland, like London Reform are not really a big factor and generally poll third, as opposed to first UK wide and at least second in Wales.

    So in Scotland Labour will hope to benefit from unionist tactical votes to unseat SNP constituency MSPs, while Conservatives would at least hope to win unionist tactical votes to hold their seats from the SNP
    That reminds me :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgk9xxg982o

    "Police are investigating "irregularities" in the finances of the Alba Party after a complaint was raised by the party's leadership in May.

    It follows a row between the party and its former general secretary, Chris McEleny, who was dismissed earlier this year after initially being suspended for alleged gross misconduct.

    A source close to McEleny said he was "completely content that the finances of the party under the leadership of Alex Salmond were both sound and compliant".

    But an Alba Party spokesperson said Salmond had "concerns about the management of the party"."

    So if the total of Alba's voters shift their choice - that's another dozen or so votes for Labour or the SNP.
    Alba voters are nationalist fanatics unlikely to go elsewhere. If they do most would likely go Reform, they hate the SNP as woke sell outs in their eyes almost as much as they hate Starmer Labour and Farage is at least an anti woke nationalist like them
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,310

    Rachel Reeves will slash the tax-free cash Isa allowance at next month’s Budget.

    The Treasury will roughly halve the £20,000 amount that can be shielded from tax in an attempt to encourage savers to invest in stocks and shares.

    Lucy Rigby, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, told The Telegraph the reforms could be described as “Thatcherite”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/24/reeves-to-slash-cash-isas-in-budget/

    Very annoying for those of us saving for a house deposit!
    If you're saving more than £10k per year I'm not sure you need the tax break tbh. The UK average is about £3k.

    (Well done though!)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,105

    Rachel Reeves will slash the tax-free cash Isa allowance at next month’s Budget.

    The Treasury will roughly halve the £20,000 amount that can be shielded from tax in an attempt to encourage savers to invest in stocks and shares.

    Lucy Rigby, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, told The Telegraph the reforms could be described as “Thatcherite”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/24/reeves-to-slash-cash-isas-in-budget/

    DT does rather have a history of making up stories. It's less than a week before Hallowe'en.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,105
    carnforth said:


    Rachel Reeves will slash the tax-free cash Isa allowance at next month’s Budget.

    The Treasury will roughly halve the £20,000 amount that can be shielded from tax in an attempt to encourage savers to invest in stocks and shares.

    Lucy Rigby, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, told The Telegraph the reforms could be described as “Thatcherite”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/24/reeves-to-slash-cash-isas-in-budget/

    Very annoying for those of us saving for a house deposit!
    Why? Reliable cash returns can look like stocks:

    https://www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-discounts,-prices--and--factsheets/search-results/r/royal-london-short-term-money-market-class-y-accumulation
    Especially as it is (hopefully) short term saving, and you can't wait for the stock market to go up again if it has nosedived.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,290
    Nigelb said:

    No denial that it was a corrupt act.
    And btw, the felon pled guilty.

    Reporter: On the pardon, Binance has significant business interests with the President’s family’s crypto company. How do you respond to allegations that this is a corrupt act?

    Leavitt: The President is exercising his constitutional authority to grant clemency requests. This was an overly prosecuted case by the Biden administration.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1981417027442266367

    Gosh, don’t you just hate it when things get overly prosecuted?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,516
    Carnyx said:

    Rachel Reeves will slash the tax-free cash Isa allowance at next month’s Budget.

    The Treasury will roughly halve the £20,000 amount that can be shielded from tax in an attempt to encourage savers to invest in stocks and shares.

    Lucy Rigby, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, told The Telegraph the reforms could be described as “Thatcherite”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/24/reeves-to-slash-cash-isas-in-budget/

    DT does rather have a history of making up stories. It's less than a week before Hallowe'en.
    Its been widely reported from Mirror to FT over the past couple of months.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,216

    Rachel Reeves will slash the tax-free cash Isa allowance at next month’s Budget.

    The Treasury will roughly halve the £20,000 amount that can be shielded from tax in an attempt to encourage savers to invest in stocks and shares.

    Lucy Rigby, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, told The Telegraph the reforms could be described as “Thatcherite”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/24/reeves-to-slash-cash-isas-in-budget/

    Is this one of those contexts in which cash doesn't actually mean cash, as in the "under the floorboards" type?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,516
    Andy_JS said:

    Rachel Reeves will slash the tax-free cash Isa allowance at next month’s Budget.

    The Treasury will roughly halve the £20,000 amount that can be shielded from tax in an attempt to encourage savers to invest in stocks and shares.

    Lucy Rigby, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, told The Telegraph the reforms could be described as “Thatcherite”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/24/reeves-to-slash-cash-isas-in-budget/

    Is this one of those contexts in which cash doesn't actually mean cash, as in the "under the floorboards" type?
    As in Georgian politicians...
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 251
    Eabhal said:

    Rachel Reeves will slash the tax-free cash Isa allowance at next month’s Budget.

    The Treasury will roughly halve the £20,000 amount that can be shielded from tax in an attempt to encourage savers to invest in stocks and shares.

    Lucy Rigby, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, told The Telegraph the reforms could be described as “Thatcherite”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/24/reeves-to-slash-cash-isas-in-budget/

    Very annoying for those of us saving for a house deposit!
    If you're saving more than £10k per year I'm not sure you need the tax break tbh. The UK average is about £3k.

    (Well done though!)
    To get anywhere close to a decent deposit before the ice caps melt you need to be saving more than 10k a year. Just another kneecaping for strivers.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,655
    viewcode said:

    the 1980s original with Arnie wasn't that great

    Wait, what?

    It's a CLASSIC
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,105

    Carnyx said:

    Rachel Reeves will slash the tax-free cash Isa allowance at next month’s Budget.

    The Treasury will roughly halve the £20,000 amount that can be shielded from tax in an attempt to encourage savers to invest in stocks and shares.

    Lucy Rigby, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, told The Telegraph the reforms could be described as “Thatcherite”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/24/reeves-to-slash-cash-isas-in-budget/

    DT does rather have a history of making up stories. It's less than a week before Hallowe'en.
    Its been widely reported from Mirror to FT over the past couple of months.
    In which case, one wonders why. As in, not going to happen, Labour claim the credit.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,655
    Scotland win in Casablanca with 2 EPIC goals. Both spectacular individual efforts.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,290

    Rachel Reeves will slash the tax-free cash Isa allowance at next month’s Budget.

    The Treasury will roughly halve the £20,000 amount that can be shielded from tax in an attempt to encourage savers to invest in stocks and shares.

    Lucy Rigby, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, told The Telegraph the reforms could be described as “Thatcherite”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/24/reeves-to-slash-cash-isas-in-budget/

    It’s not a terrible reform, really, if they’re just limiting the cash saving to £10k and everything else has to go in a stocks and shares wrapper (you can invest in less risky things like bonds, gilts etc in those wrappers if you’re worried about being exposed to equities short term). I don’t quite know why they had to be so hokey-cokey about it though, they’ve been ruling it out and briefing its back on for months and months now.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,216
    rcs1000 said:

    Regarding the subject of the header, as people here know, I don't subscribe to the cultural reason for the grooming gangs phenomena.

    I don't care how mediaeval your cultural hinterland is, if you step over the mark and get very harshly punished, you stop.

    Look at the recent epidemic of shoplifting. We don't need to go raking through our culture for a history of shoplifting - shoplifting happens because of the absence of consequences.

    I believe that if the enquiry is genuine, the blame will be placed overwhelmingly on the police, and others in authority, whose inaction or collusion led this to reach massive proportions.

    I think that is why the authorities would like to widen the enquiry's scope - not to avoid the finger of blame being pointed at minorities, but to avoid it being pointed at themselves. Indeed, if push comes to shove, I firmly believe the Jess Phillips of this world will stab community relations in the back and blame it all on culture.

    I don't think most people on here realise how fundamentally broken the care system is in the UK.

    Kids don't get easily taken from their parents. And if they do, they mostly get sent to other family members,

    If you end up in the care system proper, then you are almost certainly the victim of abuse and neglect. You will probably have been excluded from school. You will likely have substance issues.

    Social services does their best, but these are exceptionally damaged kids, who have been fucked over by every adult they've ever gotten close to. Not to mention the fact that the girls are regularly sexually abused by the boys.

    I knew a kid at Cambridge who had come out the care system. He was one of the most traumatised people I've ever known. His stories would be unbelievable to anyone on here who doesn't know social care.

    He was the exception. I doubt a fraction of 1% of people in the care system make it to any kind of university. Most reach 18 and graduate from these homes go straight into a life of benefits and petty crime.

    This is still going on today.

    The police know how fucked up social care is. They know that the girls have been abused and some have been picked up for soliciting. They know they are inarticulate and make poor witnesses. Even without the ethnic element, they were lazy because these were not easy cases to make.

    I would love it if - now we know about the grooming gangs - that kids (particularly girls) in care were less likely to be raped and abused. Sadly, I think it is hghly unlikely. As a society, we've chosen to pretend these problems don't exist, because they are really difficult problems to solve.
    I certainly do. My grandmother was in a care home for only about 4 years and in that short time most of the value of her house, which was only £85,000 because it was a poorly constructed 1940s council house, was eaten up by fees, and the care home wasn't all that great either.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,310
    edited October 24

    Eabhal said:

    Rachel Reeves will slash the tax-free cash Isa allowance at next month’s Budget.

    The Treasury will roughly halve the £20,000 amount that can be shielded from tax in an attempt to encourage savers to invest in stocks and shares.

    Lucy Rigby, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, told The Telegraph the reforms could be described as “Thatcherite”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/24/reeves-to-slash-cash-isas-in-budget/

    Very annoying for those of us saving for a house deposit!
    If you're saving more than £10k per year I'm not sure you need the tax break tbh. The UK average is about £3k.

    (Well done though!)
    To get anywhere close to a decent deposit before the ice caps melt you need to be saving more than 10k a year. Just another kneecaping for strivers.
    Ah come on. It's not a tax on your savings; just a tax on your unearned income.

    I like the principle of ISAs because they encourage people to save. But anything above about £5k per year (or gains on a principle of about £20k in total) is undoubtedly a tax break for people in a pretty good financial position - me included.

    It's mad that my earned income is taxed at 40%+ but I can make thousands in gains on my ISA and the Treasury doesn't get a penny.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,730

    Rachel Reeves will slash the tax-free cash Isa allowance at next month’s Budget.

    The Treasury will roughly halve the £20,000 amount that can be shielded from tax in an attempt to encourage savers to invest in stocks and shares.

    Lucy Rigby, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, told The Telegraph the reforms could be described as “Thatcherite”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/24/reeves-to-slash-cash-isas-in-budget/

    It’s not a terrible reform, really, if they’re just limiting the cash saving to £10k and everything else has to go in a stocks and shares wrapper (you can invest in less risky things like bonds, gilts etc in those wrappers if you’re worried about being exposed to equities short term). I don’t quite know why they had to be so hokey-cokey about it though, they’ve been ruling it out and briefing its back on for months and months now.
    It won't save much for HMT though, assuming the overall limit remains £20k, only to the extent that those who wanted to put £20k in a cash ISA now only put in £10k and won't put the remaining £10k in 'investments'. And as previously pointed out elsewhere, the 'investments' can include money market funds which are only slightly riskier than cash!
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,509
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Rachel Reeves will slash the tax-free cash Isa allowance at next month’s Budget.

    The Treasury will roughly halve the £20,000 amount that can be shielded from tax in an attempt to encourage savers to invest in stocks and shares.

    Lucy Rigby, the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, told The Telegraph the reforms could be described as “Thatcherite”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/24/reeves-to-slash-cash-isas-in-budget/

    Very annoying for those of us saving for a house deposit!
    If you're saving more than £10k per year I'm not sure you need the tax break tbh. The UK average is about £3k.

    (Well done though!)
    To get anywhere close to a decent deposit before the ice caps melt you need to be saving more than 10k a year. Just another kneecaping for strivers.
    Ah come on. It's not a tax on your savings; just a tax on your unearned income.

    I like the principle of ISAs because they encourage people to save. But anything above about £5k per year (or gains on a principle of about £20k in total) is undoubtedly a tax break for people in a pretty good financial position - me included.

    It's mad that my earned income is taxed at 40%+ but I can make thousands in gains on my ISA and the Treasury doesn't get a penny.
    I get £1000 free each year from the government in my Lifetime ISA which I don't deserve. I'm not rich, but being self-employed my issue is the mortgage not the deposit... so I really don't need the free cash.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,492
    edited October 24
    This is not a "striking departure from government procedure"; it's plain illegal.

    Pentagon to use $130 million donation from anonymous Trump ‘friend’ to pay military members
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/24/politics/anonymous-donor-military-pay-shutdown
    The Trump administration plans to funnel a $130 million donation from an anonymous ally of President Donald Trump toward paying military service members during the government shutdown, the Defense Department confirmed on Friday.

    “The donation was made on the condition that it be used to offset the cost of Service members’ salaries and benefits,” chief Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell said in a statement to CNN, adding that the money was accepted under the department’s “general gift acceptance authority.”

    The move marks a striking departure from government procedure for funding the military, which traditionally relies on public funds appropriated by Congress..


    It doesn't "traditionally rely" on Congressional appropriations; it does so as required explicitly by law.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,034
    'SANDY ANDY? Disgraced Prince Andrew offered lavish Abu Dhabi palace as he considers life in exile after Royal Lodge talks'
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/37118388/andrew-offered-lavish-abu-dhabi-palace-royals/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,492
    edited October 24

    Nigelb said:

    No denial that it was a corrupt act.
    And btw, the felon pled guilty.

    Reporter: On the pardon, Binance has significant business interests with the President’s family’s crypto company. How do you respond to allegations that this is a corrupt act?

    Leavitt: The President is exercising his constitutional authority to grant clemency requests. This was an overly prosecuted case by the Biden administration.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1981417027442266367

    I never understood why this power even exists. Its is just open for corruption and has been repeatedly.
    It exists because it's in the constitution.

    The framers were not omniscient or infallible, and I guess the idea of Washington issuing pardons in return for massive bribes just didn't even occur to them. It was literally unthinkable.

    And anyway, wasn't that why the power to impeach is there ... ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,560
    HYUFD said:

    'SANDY ANDY? Disgraced Prince Andrew offered lavish Abu Dhabi palace as he considers life in exile after Royal Lodge talks'
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/37118388/andrew-offered-lavish-abu-dhabi-palace-royals/

    Bye. Don't let the royal lodge door bang you on the way out.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,516
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    No denial that it was a corrupt act.
    And btw, the felon pled guilty.

    Reporter: On the pardon, Binance has significant business interests with the President’s family’s crypto company. How do you respond to allegations that this is a corrupt act?

    Leavitt: The President is exercising his constitutional authority to grant clemency requests. This was an overly prosecuted case by the Biden administration.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1981417027442266367

    I never understood why this power even exists. Its is just open for corruption and has been repeatedly.
    It exists because it's in the constitution.

    The framers were not omniscient or infallible, and I guess the idea of Washington issuing pardons in return for massive bribes just didn't even occur to them. It was literally unthinkable.
    I understand this, but what was the thinking behind it in the first place?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,560
    Nigelb said:

    This is not a "striking departure from government procedure"; it's plain illegal.

    Pentagon to use $130 million donation from anonymous Trump ‘friend’ to pay military members
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/24/politics/anonymous-donor-military-pay-shutdown
    The Trump administration plans to funnel a $130 million donation from an anonymous ally of President Donald Trump toward paying military service members during the government shutdown, the Defense Department confirmed on Friday.

    “The donation was made on the condition that it be used to offset the cost of Service members’ salaries and benefits,” chief Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell said in a statement to CNN, adding that the money was accepted under the department’s “general gift acceptance authority.”

    The move marks a striking departure from government procedure for funding the military, which traditionally relies on public funds appropriated by Congress..


    It doesn't "traditionally rely" on Congressional appropriations; it does so as required explicitly by law.

    Military salaries reliant on Trump's personal friends rather than the state? So beholden to Trump to pay their mortgage.

    Wow. The decline of America into a one king ruler state has been way way faster than even the extreme pessimists imagined.

    Let this be a warning to us.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,502
    Nigelb said:

    This is not a "striking departure from government procedure"; it's plain illegal.

    Pentagon to use $130 million donation from anonymous Trump ‘friend’ to pay military members
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/24/politics/anonymous-donor-military-pay-shutdown
    The Trump administration plans to funnel a $130 million donation from an anonymous ally of President Donald Trump toward paying military service members during the government shutdown, the Defense Department confirmed on Friday.

    “The donation was made on the condition that it be used to offset the cost of Service members’ salaries and benefits,” chief Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell said in a statement to CNN, adding that the money was accepted under the department’s “general gift acceptance authority.”

    The move marks a striking departure from government procedure for funding the military, which traditionally relies on public funds appropriated by Congress..


    It doesn't "traditionally rely" on Congressional appropriations; it does so as required explicitly by law.

    But if people complain, they can be branded as hating the troops because "they don't want them to get paid" or something like that.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,502

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    No denial that it was a corrupt act.
    And btw, the felon pled guilty.

    Reporter: On the pardon, Binance has significant business interests with the President’s family’s crypto company. How do you respond to allegations that this is a corrupt act?

    Leavitt: The President is exercising his constitutional authority to grant clemency requests. This was an overly prosecuted case by the Biden administration.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1981417027442266367

    I never understood why this power even exists. Its is just open for corruption and has been repeatedly.
    It exists because it's in the constitution.

    The framers were not omniscient or infallible, and I guess the idea of Washington issuing pardons in return for massive bribes just didn't even occur to them. It was literally unthinkable.
    I understand this, but what was the thinking behind it in the first place?
    Weren't they copying what our King could do (since the President is sort of an elected King)?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,821

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    No denial that it was a corrupt act.
    And btw, the felon pled guilty.

    Reporter: On the pardon, Binance has significant business interests with the President’s family’s crypto company. How do you respond to allegations that this is a corrupt act?

    Leavitt: The President is exercising his constitutional authority to grant clemency requests. This was an overly prosecuted case by the Biden administration.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1981417027442266367

    I never understood why this power even exists. Its is just open for corruption and has been repeatedly.
    It exists because it's in the constitution.

    The framers were not omniscient or infallible, and I guess the idea of Washington issuing pardons in return for massive bribes just didn't even occur to them. It was literally unthinkable.
    I understand this, but what was the thinking behind it in the first place?
    The USA was designed as U.K. 2.0

    Hence the replacement of the Squirearchy with elected offices (judges, Sheriffs)

    The unelected senate was the House of Lords, but appointed by the States.

    The President was supposed to be a replaceable Constitutional Monarch. Think George III, but local and elected.

    The power of pardon by The King is something from before history.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,655
    Nigelb said:

    This is not a "striking departure from government procedure"; it's plain illegal.

    Pentagon to use $130 million donation from anonymous Trump ‘friend’ to pay military members
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/24/politics/anonymous-donor-military-pay-shutdown
    The Trump administration plans to funnel a $130 million donation from an anonymous ally of President Donald Trump toward paying military service members during the government shutdown, the Defense Department confirmed on Friday.

    “The donation was made on the condition that it be used to offset the cost of Service members’ salaries and benefits,” chief Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell said in a statement to CNN, adding that the money was accepted under the department’s “general gift acceptance authority.”

    The move marks a striking departure from government procedure for funding the military, which traditionally relies on public funds appropriated by Congress..


    It doesn't "traditionally rely" on Congressional appropriations; it does so as required explicitly by law.

    The guy who is famous for bankrupting a casino is using cheques from anonymous donors to keep the lights on.

    What could possibly go wrong?
  • TresTres Posts: 3,157

    A hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was apparently seen walking around a town centre hours after he was released from prison by mistake.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15224639/Manhunt-Epping-hotel-migrant-sex-attacker-accidentally-freed-prison.html

    It’s ok though. According to posters like Tres on this very site, this isn’t a child molestor. They only touched a knee (lol!). And were only prosecuted and subsequently jailed due purely to the colour of their skin and the inherent prejudice of the judicial system.

    It must be a “cultural” thing I’m unaware of and I must understand and be educated more to alleviate my unconscious bias against child abuse.
    I've been hearing rumours he has actually released on purpose by a RNLI member.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,874
    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Regarding the subject of the header, as people here know, I don't subscribe to the cultural reason for the grooming gangs phenomena.

    I don't care how mediaeval your cultural hinterland is, if you step over the mark and get very harshly punished, you stop.

    Look at the recent epidemic of shoplifting. We don't need to go raking through our culture for a history of shoplifting - shoplifting happens because of the absence of consequences.

    I believe that if the enquiry is genuine, the blame will be placed overwhelmingly on the police, and others in authority, whose inaction or collusion led this to reach massive proportions.

    I think that is why the authorities would like to widen the enquiry's scope - not to avoid the finger of blame being pointed at minorities, but to avoid it being pointed at themselves. Indeed, if push comes to shove, I firmly believe the Jess Phillips of this world will stab community relations in the back and blame it all on culture.

    I don't think most people on here realise how fundamentally broken the care system is in the UK.

    Kids don't get easily taken from their parents. And if they do, they mostly get sent to other family members,

    If you end up in the care system proper, then you are almost certainly the victim of abuse and neglect. You will probably have been excluded from school. You will likely have substance issues.

    Social services does their best, but these are exceptionally damaged kids, who have been fucked over by every adult they've ever gotten close to. Not to mention the fact that the girls are regularly sexually abused by the boys.

    I knew a kid at Cambridge who had come out the care system. He was one of the most traumatised people I've ever known. His stories would be unbelievable to anyone on here who doesn't know social care.

    He was the exception. I doubt a fraction of 1% of people in the care system make it to any kind of university. Most reach 18 and graduate from these homes go straight into a life of benefits and petty crime.

    This is still going on today.

    The police know how fucked up social care is. They know that the girls have been abused and some have been picked up for soliciting. They know they are inarticulate and make poor witnesses. Even without the ethnic element, they were lazy because these were not easy cases to make.

    I would love it if - now we know about the grooming gangs - that kids (particularly girls) in care were less likely to be raped and abused. Sadly, I think it is hghly unlikely. As a society, we've chosen to pretend these problems don't exist, because they are really difficult problems to solve.
    I certainly do. My grandmother was in a care home for only about 4 years and in that short time most of the value of her house, which was only £85,000 because it was a poorly constructed 1940s council house, was eaten up by fees, and the care home wasn't all that great either.
    That has to be one of the all time great misunderstandings on this website
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,538
    Tres said:

    A hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was apparently seen walking around a town centre hours after he was released from prison by mistake.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15224639/Manhunt-Epping-hotel-migrant-sex-attacker-accidentally-freed-prison.html

    It’s ok though. According to posters like Tres on this very site, this isn’t a child molestor. They only touched a knee (lol!). And were only prosecuted and subsequently jailed due purely to the colour of their skin and the inherent prejudice of the judicial system.

    It must be a “cultural” thing I’m unaware of and I must understand and be educated more to alleviate my unconscious bias against child abuse.
    I've been hearing rumours he has actually released on purpose by a RNLI member.
    That’s brilliant! Well done you! Let us know on PB the next time you get to fondle a 14 year old. We can inform the authorities accordingly.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,494
    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Regarding the subject of the header, as people here know, I don't subscribe to the cultural reason for the grooming gangs phenomena.

    I don't care how mediaeval your cultural hinterland is, if you step over the mark and get very harshly punished, you stop.

    Look at the recent epidemic of shoplifting. We don't need to go raking through our culture for a history of shoplifting - shoplifting happens because of the absence of consequences.

    I believe that if the enquiry is genuine, the blame will be placed overwhelmingly on the police, and others in authority, whose inaction or collusion led this to reach massive proportions.

    I think that is why the authorities would like to widen the enquiry's scope - not to avoid the finger of blame being pointed at minorities, but to avoid it being pointed at themselves. Indeed, if push comes to shove, I firmly believe the Jess Phillips of this world will stab community relations in the back and blame it all on culture.

    I don't think most people on here realise how fundamentally broken the care system is in the UK.

    Kids don't get easily taken from their parents. And if they do, they mostly get sent to other family members,

    If you end up in the care system proper, then you are almost certainly the victim of abuse and neglect. You will probably have been excluded from school. You will likely have substance issues.

    Social services does their best, but these are exceptionally damaged kids, who have been fucked over by every adult they've ever gotten close to. Not to mention the fact that the girls are regularly sexually abused by the boys.

    I knew a kid at Cambridge who had come out the care system. He was one of the most traumatised people I've ever known. His stories would be unbelievable to anyone on here who doesn't know social care.

    He was the exception. I doubt a fraction of 1% of people in the care system make it to any kind of university. Most reach 18 and graduate from these homes go straight into a life of benefits and petty crime.

    This is still going on today.

    The police know how fucked up social care is. They know that the girls have been abused and some have been picked up for soliciting. They know they are inarticulate and make poor witnesses. Even without the ethnic element, they were lazy because these were not easy cases to make.

    I would love it if - now we know about the grooming gangs - that kids (particularly girls) in care were less likely to be raped and abused. Sadly, I think it is hghly unlikely. As a society, we've chosen to pretend these problems don't exist, because they are really difficult problems to solve.
    I certainly do. My grandmother was in a care home for only about 4 years and in that short time most of the value of her house, which was only £85,000 because it was a poorly constructed 1940s council house, was eaten up by fees, and the care home wasn't all that great either.
    That has to be one of the all time great misunderstandings on this website
    Poster of the Year sewn up.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,290

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    No denial that it was a corrupt act.
    And btw, the felon pled guilty.

    Reporter: On the pardon, Binance has significant business interests with the President’s family’s crypto company. How do you respond to allegations that this is a corrupt act?

    Leavitt: The President is exercising his constitutional authority to grant clemency requests. This was an overly prosecuted case by the Biden administration.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1981417027442266367

    I never understood why this power even exists. Its is just open for corruption and has been repeatedly.
    It exists because it's in the constitution.

    The framers were not omniscient or infallible, and I guess the idea of Washington issuing pardons in return for massive bribes just didn't even occur to them. It was literally unthinkable.
    I understand this, but what was the thinking behind it in the first place?
    Probably derives from the royal prerogative of mercy. The idea that sometimes you let people off (particularly those who are bang to rights legally but society deems have been unfairly punished) because it’s the equitable thing to do.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,896
    HYUFD said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The latest YouGov MRP for Caerphilly had the following figures

    Ref 32%
    PC 24%
    Lab 22%
    Con 8%
    LD 6%
    Grn 6%
    Oth 2%

    So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.

    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53059-yougov-mrp-shows-a-reform-uk-government-a-near-certainty-if-an-election-were-held-tomorrow

    You really do not know Welsh politics do you ?
    I know that Labour will do better than 11% at a general election.
    How do you know ?

    They may but they have been in office ever since devolution and it is looking very similar to Labour's collapse to the SNP in Scotland
    Labour have been in opposition for 14 years in Scotland though, in government in Wales since 1999 and are in power in the UK now.

    Ironically Labour probably have their best chance of winning most seats in Holyrood at the moment, even if slim. Purely because there they will be the party of change from the SNP (and as the Hamilton by election earlier this year showed they can win in Scotland in SNP held constituencies with Tory and LD tactical votes currently going to Plaid and Reform in Wales and Reform and LD in England)
    You have discounted the fact that Scottish Labour, and particularly Anas Sarwar, have been spectacularly useless since Hamilton, and have not attempted to protect Scottish interests, for example over the closure of Grangemouth. To gain tactical votes they need to show some degree of competence. Otherwise they will fall to Welsh levels of support.
    The SNP are at least as useless and as Hamilton showed have leaked some of their 2021 votes to Reform. Scottish Tory and LD Unionists would also hold their nose and tactically vote for unionist Scottish Labour to beat the SNP.

    Labour were down just 2% in Hamilton on the 2021 Holyrood election, compared to down 14% in Runcorn on the last UK GE in 2024 and down a massive 34% in Caerphilly on the 2021 Senedd election.

    The SNP were down 16% on 2021 in Hamilton, Plaid though up 19% in Caerphilly on 2021 and Reform up 20% in Runcorn on 2024
    I’m surprised and disappointed that you seem to have given up on your own party aiming to be the recipient of tactical votes from anti-reform unionists.
    In Scotland, like London Reform are not really a big factor and generally poll third, as opposed to first UK wide and at least second in Wales.

    So in Scotland Labour will hope to benefit from unionist tactical votes to unseat SNP constituency MSPs, while Conservatives would at least hope to win unionist tactical votes to hold their seats from the SNP
    That reminds me :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgk9xxg982o

    "Police are investigating "irregularities" in the finances of the Alba Party after a complaint was raised by the party's leadership in May.

    It follows a row between the party and its former general secretary, Chris McEleny, who was dismissed earlier this year after initially being suspended for alleged gross misconduct.

    A source close to McEleny said he was "completely content that the finances of the party under the leadership of Alex Salmond were both sound and compliant".

    But an Alba Party spokesperson said Salmond had "concerns about the management of the party"."

    So if the total of Alba's voters shift their choice - that's another dozen or so votes for Labour or the SNP.
    Alba voters are nationalist fanatics unlikely to go elsewhere. If they do most would likely go Reform, they hate the SNP as woke sell outs in their eyes almost as much as they hate Starmer Labour and Farage is at least an anti woke nationalist like them
    I see you’ve been following Wings Over Scotland’s journey from Scottish Nationalist to Farage shill.
  • Tres said:

    A hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was apparently seen walking around a town centre hours after he was released from prison by mistake.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15224639/Manhunt-Epping-hotel-migrant-sex-attacker-accidentally-freed-prison.html

    It’s ok though. According to posters like Tres on this very site, this isn’t a child molestor. They only touched a knee (lol!). And were only prosecuted and subsequently jailed due purely to the colour of their skin and the inherent prejudice of the judicial system.

    It must be a “cultural” thing I’m unaware of and I must understand and be educated more to alleviate my unconscious bias against child abuse.
    I've been hearing rumours he has actually released on purpose by a RNLI member.
    That’s brilliant! Well done you! Let us know on PB the next time you get to fondle a 14 year old. We can inform the authorities accordingly.
    It wasn’t just knee fondling. He proposed sex, children, marriage and a move to Nigeria, to a fourteen year old

    I’m waiting for the Safeguarding Minister to tell us that it sounds just like a night out in Birmingham
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,371
    That murder in Walsall is so awful. Sometimes people have the misfortune to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. That wasn't the case there.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,241

    HYUFD said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The latest YouGov MRP for Caerphilly had the following figures

    Ref 32%
    PC 24%
    Lab 22%
    Con 8%
    LD 6%
    Grn 6%
    Oth 2%

    So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.

    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53059-yougov-mrp-shows-a-reform-uk-government-a-near-certainty-if-an-election-were-held-tomorrow

    You really do not know Welsh politics do you ?
    I know that Labour will do better than 11% at a general election.
    How do you know ?

    They may but they have been in office ever since devolution and it is looking very similar to Labour's collapse to the SNP in Scotland
    Labour have been in opposition for 14 years in Scotland though, in government in Wales since 1999 and are in power in the UK now.

    Ironically Labour probably have their best chance of winning most seats in Holyrood at the moment, even if slim. Purely because there they will be the party of change from the SNP (and as the Hamilton by election earlier this year showed they can win in Scotland in SNP held constituencies with Tory and LD tactical votes currently going to Plaid and Reform in Wales and Reform and LD in England)
    You have discounted the fact that Scottish Labour, and particularly Anas Sarwar, have been spectacularly useless since Hamilton, and have not attempted to protect Scottish interests, for example over the closure of Grangemouth. To gain tactical votes they need to show some degree of competence. Otherwise they will fall to Welsh levels of support.
    The SNP are at least as useless and as Hamilton showed have leaked some of their 2021 votes to Reform. Scottish Tory and LD Unionists would also hold their nose and tactically vote for unionist Scottish Labour to beat the SNP.

    Labour were down just 2% in Hamilton on the 2021 Holyrood election, compared to down 14% in Runcorn on the last UK GE in 2024 and down a massive 34% in Caerphilly on the 2021 Senedd election.

    The SNP were down 16% on 2021 in Hamilton, Plaid though up 19% in Caerphilly on 2021 and Reform up 20% in Runcorn on 2024
    I’m surprised and disappointed that you seem to have given up on your own party aiming to be the recipient of tactical votes from anti-reform unionists.
    In Scotland, like London Reform are not really a big factor and generally poll third, as opposed to first UK wide and at least second in Wales.

    So in Scotland Labour will hope to benefit from unionist tactical votes to unseat SNP constituency MSPs, while Conservatives would at least hope to win unionist tactical votes to hold their seats from the SNP
    That reminds me :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgk9xxg982o

    "Police are investigating "irregularities" in the finances of the Alba Party after a complaint was raised by the party's leadership in May.

    It follows a row between the party and its former general secretary, Chris McEleny, who was dismissed earlier this year after initially being suspended for alleged gross misconduct.

    A source close to McEleny said he was "completely content that the finances of the party under the leadership of Alex Salmond were both sound and compliant".

    But an Alba Party spokesperson said Salmond had "concerns about the management of the party"."

    So if the total of Alba's voters shift their choice - that's another dozen or so votes for Labour or the SNP.
    Alba voters are nationalist fanatics unlikely to go elsewhere. If they do most would likely go Reform, they hate the SNP as woke sell outs in their eyes almost as much as they hate Starmer Labour and Farage is at least an anti woke nationalist like them
    I see you’ve been following Wings Over Scotland’s journey from Scottish Nationalist to Farage shill.
    One would say that's not very representative of the average Alba voter, but given how few of them there are now...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,492

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    No denial that it was a corrupt act.
    And btw, the felon pled guilty.

    Reporter: On the pardon, Binance has significant business interests with the President’s family’s crypto company. How do you respond to allegations that this is a corrupt act?

    Leavitt: The President is exercising his constitutional authority to grant clemency requests. This was an overly prosecuted case by the Biden administration.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1981417027442266367

    I never understood why this power even exists. Its is just open for corruption and has been repeatedly.
    It exists because it's in the constitution.

    The framers were not omniscient or infallible, and I guess the idea of Washington issuing pardons in return for massive bribes just didn't even occur to them. It was literally unthinkable.
    I understand this, but what was the thinking behind it in the first place?
    It is just, I think, a prerogative power they copied from us.

    But see Hamilton's arguments in Federalist paper 74:
    https://billofrightsinstitute.org/primary-sources/federalist-74
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,821

    Nigelb said:

    This is not a "striking departure from government procedure"; it's plain illegal.

    Pentagon to use $130 million donation from anonymous Trump ‘friend’ to pay military members
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/24/politics/anonymous-donor-military-pay-shutdown
    The Trump administration plans to funnel a $130 million donation from an anonymous ally of President Donald Trump toward paying military service members during the government shutdown, the Defense Department confirmed on Friday.

    “The donation was made on the condition that it be used to offset the cost of Service members’ salaries and benefits,” chief Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell said in a statement to CNN, adding that the money was accepted under the department’s “general gift acceptance authority.”

    The move marks a striking departure from government procedure for funding the military, which traditionally relies on public funds appropriated by Congress..


    It doesn't "traditionally rely" on Congressional appropriations; it does so as required explicitly by law.

    Military salaries reliant on Trump's personal friends rather than the state? So beholden to Trump to pay their mortgage.

    Wow. The decline of America into a one king ruler state has been way way faster than even the extreme pessimists imagined.

    Let this be a warning to us.
    See Cato banging on about Caesar recruiting legions beyond that provided by the State - with private funds…
  • TresTres Posts: 3,157

    Tres said:

    A hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was apparently seen walking around a town centre hours after he was released from prison by mistake.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15224639/Manhunt-Epping-hotel-migrant-sex-attacker-accidentally-freed-prison.html

    It’s ok though. According to posters like Tres on this very site, this isn’t a child molestor. They only touched a knee (lol!). And were only prosecuted and subsequently jailed due purely to the colour of their skin and the inherent prejudice of the judicial system.

    It must be a “cultural” thing I’m unaware of and I must understand and be educated more to alleviate my unconscious bias against child abuse.
    I've been hearing rumours he has actually released on purpose by a RNLI member.
    That’s brilliant! Well done you! Let us know on PB the next time you get to fondle a 14 year old. We can inform the authorities accordingly.
    It wasn’t just knee fondling. He proposed sex, children, marriage and a move to Nigeria, to a fourteen year old

    I’m waiting for the Safeguarding Minister to tell us that it sounds just like a night out in Birmingham
    I hear there is a Dukedom going vacant.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,003
    edited October 24
    Tres said:

    A hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was apparently seen walking around a town centre hours after he was released from prison by mistake.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15224639/Manhunt-Epping-hotel-migrant-sex-attacker-accidentally-freed-prison.html

    It’s ok though. According to posters like Tres on this very site, this isn’t a child molestor. They only touched a knee (lol!). And were only prosecuted and subsequently jailed due purely to the colour of their skin and the inherent prejudice of the judicial system.

    It must be a “cultural” thing I’m unaware of and I must understand and be educated more to alleviate my unconscious bias against child abuse.
    I've been hearing rumours he has actually released on purpose by a RNLI member.
    To smear any RNLI member like that is simply unacceptable and frankly a disgrace

    The crews are volunteers who are trained in their spare time to the highest levels of seamanship to save lives at sea

    You may not know but my son is a fully trained helm and next week attends a course on navigation for progress to eventually be coming a coxswain

    These men and women put their lives at risk often venturing out in storm force seas to save others

    They do not deserve your cheap and disgusting comment

    Shame on you
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,509

    HYUFD said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The latest YouGov MRP for Caerphilly had the following figures

    Ref 32%
    PC 24%
    Lab 22%
    Con 8%
    LD 6%
    Grn 6%
    Oth 2%

    So Ref win the seat with 4% less than what they just got at the by-election, which seems very plausible, since Labour are going to do better than 11% at a GE compared to a bye.

    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53059-yougov-mrp-shows-a-reform-uk-government-a-near-certainty-if-an-election-were-held-tomorrow

    You really do not know Welsh politics do you ?
    I know that Labour will do better than 11% at a general election.
    How do you know ?

    They may but they have been in office ever since devolution and it is looking very similar to Labour's collapse to the SNP in Scotland
    Labour have been in opposition for 14 years in Scotland though, in government in Wales since 1999 and are in power in the UK now.

    Ironically Labour probably have their best chance of winning most seats in Holyrood at the moment, even if slim. Purely because there they will be the party of change from the SNP (and as the Hamilton by election earlier this year showed they can win in Scotland in SNP held constituencies with Tory and LD tactical votes currently going to Plaid and Reform in Wales and Reform and LD in England)
    You have discounted the fact that Scottish Labour, and particularly Anas Sarwar, have been spectacularly useless since Hamilton, and have not attempted to protect Scottish interests, for example over the closure of Grangemouth. To gain tactical votes they need to show some degree of competence. Otherwise they will fall to Welsh levels of support.
    The SNP are at least as useless and as Hamilton showed have leaked some of their 2021 votes to Reform. Scottish Tory and LD Unionists would also hold their nose and tactically vote for unionist Scottish Labour to beat the SNP.

    Labour were down just 2% in Hamilton on the 2021 Holyrood election, compared to down 14% in Runcorn on the last UK GE in 2024 and down a massive 34% in Caerphilly on the 2021 Senedd election.

    The SNP were down 16% on 2021 in Hamilton, Plaid though up 19% in Caerphilly on 2021 and Reform up 20% in Runcorn on 2024
    I’m surprised and disappointed that you seem to have given up on your own party aiming to be the recipient of tactical votes from anti-reform unionists.
    In Scotland, like London Reform are not really a big factor and generally poll third, as opposed to first UK wide and at least second in Wales.

    So in Scotland Labour will hope to benefit from unionist tactical votes to unseat SNP constituency MSPs, while Conservatives would at least hope to win unionist tactical votes to hold their seats from the SNP
    That reminds me :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgk9xxg982o

    "Police are investigating "irregularities" in the finances of the Alba Party after a complaint was raised by the party's leadership in May.

    It follows a row between the party and its former general secretary, Chris McEleny, who was dismissed earlier this year after initially being suspended for alleged gross misconduct.

    A source close to McEleny said he was "completely content that the finances of the party under the leadership of Alex Salmond were both sound and compliant".

    But an Alba Party spokesperson said Salmond had "concerns about the management of the party"."

    So if the total of Alba's voters shift their choice - that's another dozen or so votes for Labour or the SNP.
    Alba voters are nationalist fanatics unlikely to go elsewhere. If they do most would likely go Reform, they hate the SNP as woke sell outs in their eyes almost as much as they hate Starmer Labour and Farage is at least an anti woke nationalist like them
    I see you’ve been following Wings Over Scotland’s journey from Scottish Nationalist to Farage shill.
    Trans got him.

    He was always an odd duck for a ScotNat though. He wanted to keep Trident and charge rent. Sensible actually, but out of step with mainstream ScotNat opinion IIRC.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,821
    edited October 24
    CatMan said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    No denial that it was a corrupt act.
    And btw, the felon pled guilty.

    Reporter: On the pardon, Binance has significant business interests with the President’s family’s crypto company. How do you respond to allegations that this is a corrupt act?

    Leavitt: The President is exercising his constitutional authority to grant clemency requests. This was an overly prosecuted case by the Biden administration.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1981417027442266367

    I never understood why this power even exists. Its is just open for corruption and has been repeatedly.
    It exists because it's in the constitution.

    The framers were not omniscient or infallible, and I guess the idea of Washington issuing pardons in return for massive bribes just didn't even occur to them. It was literally unthinkable.
    I understand this, but what was the thinking behind it in the first place?
    Weren't they copying what our King could do (since the President is sort of an elected King)?
    Exactly - the US constitution was about reshuffling the U.K. state into a democratic republic.

    The Pres. was supposed to be a constitutional monarch with added elections.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,509

    Tres said:

    A hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was apparently seen walking around a town centre hours after he was released from prison by mistake.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15224639/Manhunt-Epping-hotel-migrant-sex-attacker-accidentally-freed-prison.html

    It’s ok though. According to posters like Tres on this very site, this isn’t a child molestor. They only touched a knee (lol!). And were only prosecuted and subsequently jailed due purely to the colour of their skin and the inherent prejudice of the judicial system.

    It must be a “cultural” thing I’m unaware of and I must understand and be educated more to alleviate my unconscious bias against child abuse.
    I've been hearing rumours he has actually released on purpose by a RNLI member.
    That’s brilliant! Well done you! Let us know on PB the next time you get to fondle a 14 year old. We can inform the authorities accordingly.
    It wasn’t just knee fondling. He proposed sex, children, marriage and a move to Nigeria, to a fourteen year old

    I’m waiting for the Safeguarding Minister to tell us that it sounds just like a night out in Birmingham
    Just part and parcel of living in a big city (c) Sadiq Khan.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,538

    Tres said:

    A hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was apparently seen walking around a town centre hours after he was released from prison by mistake.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15224639/Manhunt-Epping-hotel-migrant-sex-attacker-accidentally-freed-prison.html

    It’s ok though. According to posters like Tres on this very site, this isn’t a child molestor. They only touched a knee (lol!). And were only prosecuted and subsequently jailed due purely to the colour of their skin and the inherent prejudice of the judicial system.

    It must be a “cultural” thing I’m unaware of and I must understand and be educated more to alleviate my unconscious bias against child abuse.
    I've been hearing rumours he has actually released on purpose by a RNLI member.
    That’s brilliant! Well done you! Let us know on PB the next time you get to fondle a 14 year old. We can inform the authorities accordingly.
    It wasn’t just knee fondling. He proposed sex, children, marriage and a move to Nigeria, to a fourteen year old

    I’m waiting for the Safeguarding Minister to tell us that it sounds just like a night out in Birmingham
    Birmingham notwithstanding - and it’s a curious place. But yes. Absolutely. Which makes Tres’s comment earlier all the more reprehensible - and their/his/her attempt to make light of the charges the individual convened was found guilty of and imprisoned for all the more nauseating. And that individual is now roaming who knows where. Laughing at us. Laughing at our judicial system and laughing at our law.

    But for Tres he just touched a knee. So what’s the fuss?
  • TresTres Posts: 3,157

    Tres said:

    A hotel migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl in Epping was apparently seen walking around a town centre hours after he was released from prison by mistake.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15224639/Manhunt-Epping-hotel-migrant-sex-attacker-accidentally-freed-prison.html

    It’s ok though. According to posters like Tres on this very site, this isn’t a child molestor. They only touched a knee (lol!). And were only prosecuted and subsequently jailed due purely to the colour of their skin and the inherent prejudice of the judicial system.

    It must be a “cultural” thing I’m unaware of and I must understand and be educated more to alleviate my unconscious bias against child abuse.
    I've been hearing rumours he has actually released on purpose by a RNLI member.
    That’s brilliant! Well done you! Let us know on PB the next time you get to fondle a 14 year old. We can inform the authorities accordingly.
    It wasn’t just knee fondling. He proposed sex, children, marriage and a move to Nigeria, to a fourteen year old

    I’m waiting for the Safeguarding Minister to tell us that it sounds just like a night out in Birmingham
    Birmingham notwithstanding - and it’s a curious place. But yes. Absolutely. Which makes Tres’s comment earlier all the more reprehensible - and their/his/her attempt to make light of the charges the individual convened was found guilty of and imprisoned for all the more nauseating. And that individual is now roaming who knows where. Laughing at us. Laughing at our judicial system and laughing at our law.

    But for Tres he just touched a knee. So what’s the fuss?
    don't give yourself an aneurysm, it's just words on a screen
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,516
    5 a week released in error.

    In before SKS tweets abour how ID Cards and AI will solve this problem.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,516
    Turns on R5, random member of the public brought on to the show...what are they worried about...racist migrant hotel protests.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,821
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    No denial that it was a corrupt act.
    And btw, the felon pled guilty.

    Reporter: On the pardon, Binance has significant business interests with the President’s family’s crypto company. How do you respond to allegations that this is a corrupt act?

    Leavitt: The President is exercising his constitutional authority to grant clemency requests. This was an overly prosecuted case by the Biden administration.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1981417027442266367

    I never understood why this power even exists. Its is just open for corruption and has been repeatedly.
    It exists because it's in the constitution.

    The framers were not omniscient or infallible, and I guess the idea of Washington issuing pardons in return for massive bribes just didn't even occur to them. It was literally unthinkable.
    I understand this, but what was the thinking behind it in the first place?
    It is just, I think, a prerogative power they copied from us.

    But see Hamilton's arguments in Federalist paper 74:
    https://billofrightsinstitute.org/primary-sources/federalist-74
    “It is not to be doubted, that a single man of prudence and good sense is better fitted, in delicate conjunctures, to balance the motives which may plead for and against the remission of the punishment, than any numerous body whatever.”
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,352
    ...

    Turns on R5, random member of the public brought on to the show...what are they worried about...racist migrant hotel protests.

    You have been on fire tonight.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,348
    Scott_xP said:

    viewcode said:

    the 1980s original with Arnie wasn't that great

    Wait, what?

    It's a CLASSIC
    (sucks air thru teeth)

    Arnie did a lot of 80's classics: Terminator, Commando, Predator. Total Recall even, if you ignore it was 1990. But Running Man was down there with Red Heat. It's not bad, it's just not very good. :(
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