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This is interesting on two levels from Trump’s Middle East envoy – politicalbetting.com

I would like to acknowledge the vital role of the United Kingdom in assisting and coordinating efforts that have led us to this historic day in Israel. In particular, I want to recognize the incredible input and tireless efforts of National Security Advisor Jonathan Powell.

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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,563
    edited 6:56AM
    Probably just a dig at Tony Blair.

    But it does indicate that Trump has told them to play nice with us for now.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,547
    DavidL said:

    Probably just a dig at Tony Blair.

    But it does indicate that Trump has told them to play nice with us for now.

    Who knows, it might even be true...
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,114
    Well done Jonathan Powell.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,563
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Probably just a dig at Tony Blair.

    But it does indicate that Trump has told them to play nice with us for now.

    Who knows, it might even be true...
    Maybe but that wouldn't be a reason for saying it. Powell certainly has painfully gained knowledge of who to speak to and how to get in contact with them in the Middle East.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,603
    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,593
    Bridget vindicated.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,563
    Just when you wondered if they could make a game of it India extinguishes Hope for the West Indies.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,547
    AnneJGP said:

    YouTube has been offering me shorts from Yes, Prime Minister recently. For a series produced in the 1980s it's still amazingly bang on point.

    It's very well scripted and acted.

    Worth noting though that its a 45 year old sitcom, not a documentary. About as relevant as Sir Launcelot Spratt is to modern medicine.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,308
    Isn't JP in the frame over Chinagate? Poor old Kemi, that's another fox shot in the name of realpolitik.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,308
    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    YouTube has been offering me shorts from Yes, Prime Minister recently. For a series produced in the 1980s it's still amazingly bang on point.

    It's very well scripted and acted.

    Worth noting though that its a 45 year old sitcom, not a documentary. About as relevant as Sir Launcelot Spratt is to modern medicine.
    Exactly. When was the last time a surgeon was struck off for arrogance? None this week that I can see.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,777
    "A major lawsuit against five leading carmakers accused of cheating on emissions tests is set to begin at the High Court on Monday.
    ...
    The five carmakers - Mercedes, Ford, Peugeot/Citroën, Renault and Nissan - all deny the accusations."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjr5epw8dweo

    I thought the general vie at the time was that all the manufacturers were at it, not just VW.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,716

    Bridget vindicated.

    Bridget vindicated.

    Looks vg value at 12 on Betfair, he says hoping to increase the value of his cash out from paltry green to "will buy a pint"
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,989
    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,038

    Bridget vindicated.

    Where did she come into it ?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,563

    "A major lawsuit against five leading carmakers accused of cheating on emissions tests is set to begin at the High Court on Monday.
    ...
    The five carmakers - Mercedes, Ford, Peugeot/Citroën, Renault and Nissan - all deny the accusations."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjr5epw8dweo

    I thought the general vie at the time was that all the manufacturers were at it, not just VW.

    These kind of cases just annoy me. Any claimed losses are non existent. Yes, they broke the rules and cheated but it was the environment that lost out, not the customers. It is another American import we could do without.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,873
    AnneJGP said:

    YouTube has been offering me shorts from Yes, Prime Minister recently. For a series produced in the 1980s it's still amazingly bang on point.

    The irony is that in the 1980s, it was less relevant than now - Jim Hacker, as a quivering, non-ideological blancmanche was the exact opposite of Margaret Thatcher, who, whether you agreed with her or not, knew what she fought for and loved what she knew. But certainly since Blair we've seen a reversion to spineless, centrist jellies terrified of the press.

    So in that way the series was prescient, rather than current.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,444
    edited 7:23AM
    Well done Jonathan Powell, it’s a rare day when Americans give credit to non-Americans.

    Can we get Witkoff and Powell to go to Moscow next and give Putin a kicking?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,192
    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,038
    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    YouTube has been offering me shorts from Yes, Prime Minister recently. For a series produced in the 1980s it's still amazingly bang on point.

    It's very well scripted and acted.

    Worth noting though that its a 45 year old sitcom, not a documentary. About as relevant as Sir Launcelot Spratt is to modern medicine.
    The patient/doctor dynamic has changed rather more than that between politicians and civil service, I think ?

    The Doctor films are as if from another country; Yes Minister not quite so much.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,593
    Nigelb said:

    Bridget vindicated.

    Where did she come into it ?
    See previous thread!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,240

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    My daughter's grandfather's brother was killed on the A96 a few years ago

    https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/moray/1657147/victim-of-moray-road-crash-who-dedicated-himself-to-village-halls-across-the-region-will-be-missed-by-many/
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,444
    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    I did Aviemore to Inverness over the summer, and seemingly half the journey was through roadworks, so it does look as if they’re finally getting around to it.

    As with almost all UK infrastructure projects, several decades late and with significant cumulative drag on economic growth in the region, not to mention the negative impacts of all the accidents.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,038
    edited 7:34AM

    Nigelb said:

    Bridget vindicated.

    Where did she come into it ?
    See previous thread!
    I was busy theatregoing this weekend, so had somehow got the erroneous impression from visits to PB that she'd claimed personal involvement, rather than just saying "the UK".

    So yes, partial vindication.

    Of course Witkoff is something of a buffoon, but there again, so is US ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee, who called her "delusional".
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,175

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,186
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    YouTube has been offering me shorts from Yes, Prime Minister recently. For a series produced in the 1980s it's still amazingly bang on point.

    It's very well scripted and acted.

    Worth noting though that its a 45 year old sitcom, not a documentary. About as relevant as Sir Launcelot Spratt is to modern medicine.
    The patient/doctor dynamic has changed rather more than that between politicians and civil service, I think ?

    The Doctor films are as if from another country; Yes Minister not quite so much.
    Depends what it's about.

    A lot of the stuff in the Hackerverse genuinely roughly happened (though their sources were more from the Heath/Wilson/Callaghan years, IIRC). That's a period piece. But the not-so-humble servant outfoxing the clueless master is a tale as old as time.

    Politics has largely moved on to the Tuckerverse, where everyone is clueless and the universe is outfoxing them.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,038

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    YouTube has been offering me shorts from Yes, Prime Minister recently. For a series produced in the 1980s it's still amazingly bang on point.

    It's very well scripted and acted.

    Worth noting though that its a 45 year old sitcom, not a documentary. About as relevant as Sir Launcelot Spratt is to modern medicine.
    The patient/doctor dynamic has changed rather more than that between politicians and civil service, I think ?

    The Doctor films are as if from another country; Yes Minister not quite so much.
    Depends what it's about.

    A lot of the stuff in the Hackerverse genuinely roughly happened (though their sources were more from the Heath/Wilson/Callaghan years, IIRC). That's a period piece. But the not-so-humble servant outfoxing the clueless master is a tale as old as time.

    Politics has largely moved on to the Tuckerverse, where everyone is clueless and the universe is outfoxing them.
    Of course.
    Even Ancient Greek political drama retains a certain modern relevance for the political dynamics.

    But not so much their medical comedies.
    (Though drama as therapy...)
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,264
    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,711

    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.

    I think they should go for it, just to see the reaction.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,308
    fitalass said:

    AnneJGP said:

    YouTube has been offering me shorts from Yes, Prime Minister recently. For a series produced in the 1980s it's still amazingly bang on point.

    Fitaloon and I absolutely loved Yes, Prime Minister, I bought him the boxed set many years ago one Christmas. To this day, these two scenes remain my absolute favourites....

    On Polling.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks

    On the tribal nature of the British press.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGscoaUWW2M
    Really? The newspaper joke was old even at the time, and leading questions in polls was almost a meme, if they'd had memes in the 1980s.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,924

    Isn't JP in the frame over Chinagate? Poor old Kemi, that's another fox shot in the name of realpolitik.

    It's a nice victory lap before he gets put away.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,269
    edited 7:48AM
    Feels like a beaten spouse scenario: huckabee punches us and then Witkoff reels us back in
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,614
    Nearly as ridiculous as Bridgit yesterday is Tobias Ellwood on TV this morning selling himself as a 'geo-political expert'.

    Had lunch with the man and he's every bit as stupid and self involved as you would expect.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,269
    DavidL said:

    "A major lawsuit against five leading carmakers accused of cheating on emissions tests is set to begin at the High Court on Monday.
    ...
    The five carmakers - Mercedes, Ford, Peugeot/Citroën, Renault and Nissan - all deny the accusations."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjr5epw8dweo

    I thought the general vie at the time was that all the manufacturers were at it, not just VW.

    These kind of cases just annoy me. Any claimed losses are non existent. Yes, they broke the rules and cheated but it was the environment that lost out, not the customers. It is another American import we could do without.
    There needs to be a penalty for bad behaviour. If the government isn’t willing to fine a meaningful amount then the courts should be able to.

    In any event it will help the balance of payments & I thought that was a focus of yours?
  • eekeek Posts: 31,496
    edited 7:48AM

    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.

    What were they asked to do - identify the most politically stupid tax increase possible?

    Now I can see them doing it but only if you were going to implement every political stupid tax increase possible see which ones caused the most outcry and revoking the 1/2 that created the most outcry but it's a stupid idea.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,614
    On topic, pretty obviously a requested communication from ourside - nice to see national soft power being expended in Labour's party political interest
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,926
    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
    I have to agree with the comment about the A9. The few times I've driven it over the last 3 years have been clear and easy. Occasional duelling helps in certain places. I agree about the junction at Aviemore, it is bad. The rest of it is ok.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,711
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    YouTube has been offering me shorts from Yes, Prime Minister recently. For a series produced in the 1980s it's still amazingly bang on point.

    It's very well scripted and acted.

    Worth noting though that its a 45 year old sitcom, not a documentary. About as relevant as Sir Launcelot Spratt is to modern medicine.
    The patient/doctor dynamic has changed rather more than that between politicians and civil service, I think ?

    The Doctor films are as if from another country; Yes Minister not quite so much.
    Depends what it's about.

    A lot of the stuff in the Hackerverse genuinely roughly happened (though their sources were more from the Heath/Wilson/Callaghan years, IIRC). That's a period piece. But the not-so-humble servant outfoxing the clueless master is a tale as old as time.

    Politics has largely moved on to the Tuckerverse, where everyone is clueless and the universe is outfoxing them.
    Of course.
    Even Ancient Greek political drama retains a certain modern relevance for the political dynamics.

    But not so much their medical comedies.
    (Though drama as therapy...)
    Ah now there you mistake me.
    Shame I do feel.
    And I know there is something all wrong about me—
    believe me. Sometimes I shock myself.
    But there is a reason: you.
    You never let up this one same pressure of hatred on my life:
    I am the shape you made me.
    Filth teaches filth.


    and

    Alas, how terrible a thing is wisdom,
    When it brings no profit to the wise


    are two quotes I adore.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,547
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    YouTube has been offering me shorts from Yes, Prime Minister recently. For a series produced in the 1980s it's still amazingly bang on point.

    It's very well scripted and acted.

    Worth noting though that its a 45 year old sitcom, not a documentary. About as relevant as Sir Launcelot Spratt is to modern medicine.
    The patient/doctor dynamic has changed rather more than that between politicians and civil service, I think ?

    The Doctor films are as if from another country; Yes Minister not quite so much.
    Yes, Green Wing is a much more accurate depiction of modern medicine.

    Yes Minister/Prime Minister worked so well because sometimes it was Sir Humphrey that triumphed and sometimes Jim Hacker.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,924
    eek said:

    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.

    What were they asked to do - identify the most politically stupid tax increase possible?

    Now I can see them doing it but only if you were going to implement every political stupid tax increase possible see which ones caused the most outcry and revoking the 1/2 that created the most outcry but it's a stupid idea.
    This hunt for the magic tax that doesn't feel like a tax is a bit ridiculous. The tax burden increasing will lead to less money in the economy, and less economic activity - period. They tried to do this with their employers only NI increase and it was a disaster.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,058

    Feels like a beaten spouse scenario: huckabee punches us and then Witkoff reels us back in

    What an odd analogy.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,873
    edited 7:54AM
    fitalass said:

    AnneJGP said:

    YouTube has been offering me shorts from Yes, Prime Minister recently. For a series produced in the 1980s it's still amazingly bang on point.

    Fitaloon and I absolutely loved Yes, Prime Minister, I bought him the boxed set many years ago one Christmas. To this day, these two scenes remain my absolute favourites....

    On Polling.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks

    On the tribal nature of the British press.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGscoaUWW2M
    Also this classic on how not to answer a journalist's question:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H1u-zh9dmU

    Ever since I watched it as a child I have watched political interviews with a completely different attitude.

    And I can't believe this incredible simple technique still works with 98% of political commentators, showing that most of them don't really give a toss about what they're supposed to be donig..
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,530
    eek said:

    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.

    What were they asked to do - identify the most politically stupid tax increase possible?

    Now I can see them doing it but only if you were going to implement every political stupid tax increase possible see which ones caused the most outcry and revoking the 1/2 that created the most outcry but it's a stupid idea.
    That has WFA all over it.

    If they do a budget of removing lots of small tax breaks, that is receipe for a massive push back. And half of them will have to be abandoned.

    I ask again - if a Labour Chancellor had started with merge NI & IT, tidy up the rates (a bit north), pension benefits all in a blender come out means tested/taxed - so pensioners on basic pension benefit visibility, lots…. If the Chancellor had done that, I would have thought the Left would have been pretty solid. The Centre as well.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,530

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    YouTube has been offering me shorts from Yes, Prime Minister recently. For a series produced in the 1980s it's still amazingly bang on point.

    It's very well scripted and acted.

    Worth noting though that its a 45 year old sitcom, not a documentary. About as relevant as Sir Launcelot Spratt is to modern medicine.
    The patient/doctor dynamic has changed rather more than that between politicians and civil service, I think ?

    The Doctor films are as if from another country; Yes Minister not quite so much.
    Depends what it's about.

    A lot of the stuff in the Hackerverse genuinely roughly happened (though their sources were more from the Heath/Wilson/Callaghan years, IIRC). That's a period piece. But the not-so-humble servant outfoxing the clueless master is a tale as old as time.

    Politics has largely moved on to the Tuckerverse, where everyone is clueless and the universe is outfoxing them.
    The Solihull Project could be today.

    The mentality behind the “Best Hospital In The NHS is an empty one” is with us.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,882

    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
    I have to agree with the comment about the A9. The few times I've driven it over the last 3 years have been clear and easy. Occasional duelling helps in certain places. I agree about the junction at Aviemore, it is bad. The rest of it is ok.
    It'd be better if the Scottish Tories hadn't thought it such a wizard wheeze to bugger up the transport budget by joining with Slab and SLDs and the Greens ti impose the Edinburgh trams on the minority SNP government. That really messed up the plans for years.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,711
    edited 7:59AM

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    YouTube has been offering me shorts from Yes, Prime Minister recently. For a series produced in the 1980s it's still amazingly bang on point.

    It's very well scripted and acted.

    Worth noting though that its a 45 year old sitcom, not a documentary. About as relevant as Sir Launcelot Spratt is to modern medicine.
    The patient/doctor dynamic has changed rather more than that between politicians and civil service, I think ?

    The Doctor films are as if from another country; Yes Minister not quite so much.
    Depends what it's about.

    A lot of the stuff in the Hackerverse genuinely roughly happened (though their sources were more from the Heath/Wilson/Callaghan years, IIRC). That's a period piece. But the not-so-humble servant outfoxing the clueless master is a tale as old as time.

    Politics has largely moved on to the Tuckerverse, where everyone is clueless and the universe is outfoxing them.
    The Solihull Project could be today.

    The mentality behind the “Best Hospital In The NHS is an empty one” is with us.
    To my mind, Yes Minister is one of those comedies that is timeless. It shows how the world works.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,504
    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
    Careful, you’ll have your PB SNPbad certification withdrawn.

    I’m assuming that the supporters on here of Unionist parties will expect them to do really well next May, with this issue at the centre of their manifestos. After all the electorate has a short memory and will have forgotten that it was the same parties imposing the expensive luxury trinket of trams on Edinburgh that has been a major factor in delaying the dualling of the A9.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,643

    eek said:

    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.

    What were they asked to do - identify the most politically stupid tax increase possible?

    Now I can see them doing it but only if you were going to implement every political stupid tax increase possible see which ones caused the most outcry and revoking the 1/2 that created the most outcry but it's a stupid idea.
    That has WFA all over it.

    If they do a budget of removing lots of small tax breaks, that is receipe for a massive push back. And half of them will have to be abandoned.

    I ask again - if a Labour Chancellor had started with merge NI & IT, tidy up the rates (a bit north), pension benefits all in a blender come out means tested/taxed - so pensioners on basic pension benefit visibility, lots…. If the Chancellor had done that, I would have thought the Left would have been pretty solid. The Centre as well.
    IFS report, completely sensible as usual, here:

    https://ifs.org.uk/publications/options-tax-increases
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,882
    edited 8:04AM

    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
    Careful, you’ll have your PB SNPbad certification withdrawn.

    I’m assuming that the supporters on here of Unionist parties will expect them to do really well next May, with this issue at the centre of their manifestos. After all the electorate has a short memory and will have forgotten that it was the same parties imposing the expensive luxury trinket of trams on Edinburgh that has been a major factor in delaying the dualling of the A9.
    The trams are tbf a good thing in principle and in actuality - but building them to exceptional standards more usually seen in a Chieftain tank, and leaving construction to the Labour/LD admin on Edinburgh council to administer, were not, in hindsight and at the time in foresight, [edit] great ideas. It also meant even more work dealing with centuries of utilities and just plain holes and cellars under the roadway lest a tram does a nosedive. Though one hopes the robustness will pay off in the long run.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,056
    The Edinburgh trams are excellent. I use them to commute from Newcastle to Edinburgh by car - Ingliston Park and Ride is free and great.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,882

    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
    I have to agree with the comment about the A9. The few times I've driven it over the last 3 years have been clear and easy. Occasional duelling helps in certain places. I agree about the junction at Aviemore, it is bad. The rest of it is ok.
    A1 has been much improved too. Getting to the point where the main iontra-Scotland traffic is sorted, and there's not much point finishing off the dualling in the expensive bits in Berwickshire given the state of the road south of Tweed.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,593
    A story that combines two of PB's favourite topics - far-right nut-jobs and trains:

    https://searchlightmagazine.com/2025/10/tommy-robinson-takes-a-ride-on-far-right-billionaires-train-set/

    The train spent last night parked up on the Keighley & Worth Valley Railway, having arrived behind triple-headed Class 20s.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,038

    Feels like a beaten spouse scenario: huckabee punches us and then Witkoff reels us back in

    What an odd analogy.
    Yes, but also not a bad analogy.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,722
    Clear acknowledgement then from Trump's special envoy of the UK's role and that of Jonathan Powell. Plus a riposte to Mike Huckabee
  • CumberlandGapCumberlandGap Posts: 15
    DavidL said:

    Probably just a dig at Tony Blair.

    But it does indicate that Trump has told them to play nice with us for now.

    Starmer's be nice to Trump strategy has actually paid off, also the fact that Trump is substantially more British than many millions of the people who live here, gives him an inherent fondness of the place. But like a petulant child that could change as his mood changes.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,882

    A story that combines two of PB's favourite topics - far-right nut-jobs and trains:

    https://searchlightmagazine.com/2025/10/tommy-robinson-takes-a-ride-on-far-right-billionaires-train-set/

    The train spent last night parked up on the Keighley & Worth Valley Railway, having arrived behind triple-headed Class 20s.

    Checked becasue 'train' can mean almost anything in journalese - but yes, it does seem to be a proper train in the sense of a consist of coaches, plus they have their own locos. Very retro design, Royal Train c. 1950 only more luxurious.

    https://www.railway.supply/the-chairmans-set-the-embodiment-of-luxury-and-history-on-rails/
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,425
    HYUFD said:

    Clear acknowledgement then from Trump's special envoy of the UK's role and that of Jonathan Powell. Plus a riposte to Mike Huckabee

    The plan is based on the NI agreement and Tony Blair is involved. Of course Powell was majorly involved. I guess Huckabee was out of the loop as they say?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,722

    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.

    If Reeves is stupid enough to reverse the Osborne inheritance tax cut, I predict Labour will be fourth in the polls by the New Year. Behind not only Reform but the Tories and LDs as well. With the Greens also snapping at their heels.

    I don't think she is that stupid though, a wealth tax on expensive homes and increase in CGT more likely
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,192
    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    What low hanging fruit? The proposed dualling from Inverness to Auldearn has detailed plans and that includes bypassing Nairn. But the rest? Kicked into the long grass by the government in 2021 who undertook a new "corridor review" because cars are bad. So there is nothing ready to go for most of the route, despite a decade of talking about it and vast sums spent.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,425
    Trump being very careful on the stairs as he arrives at Knesset.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,504
    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
    Careful, you’ll have your PB SNPbad certification withdrawn.

    I’m assuming that the supporters on here of Unionist parties will expect them to do really well next May, with this issue at the centre of their manifestos. After all the electorate has a short memory and will have forgotten that it was the same parties imposing the expensive luxury trinket of trams on Edinburgh that has been a major factor in delaying the dualling of the A9.
    The trams are tbf a good thing in principle and in actuality - but building them to exceptional standards more usually seen in a Chieftain tank, and leaving construction to the Labour/LD admin on Edinburgh council to administer, were not, in hindsight and at the time in foresight, [edit] great ideas. It also meant even more work dealing with centuries of utilities and just plain holes and cellars under the roadway lest a tram does a nosedive. Though one hopes the robustness will pay off in the long run.
    I guess so, though as I think you have remarked previously, Edinburgh’s existing bus system was already great. It’s an example of an uncomfortable environment that were even more mired in today than we were in 2007, that several things can be good but we can’t afford all of them, and voters are resistant to accepting this.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,425
    HYUFD said:

    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.

    If Reeves is stupid enough to reverse the Osborne inheritance tax cut, I predict Labour will be fourth in the polls by the New Year. Behind not only Reform but the Tories and LDs as well. With the Greens also snapping at their heels.

    I don't think she is that stupid though, a wealth tax on expensive homes and increase in CGT more likely
    I'm hoping she goes bold and finally takes on reform of council tax and local government funding and is the one to at last kill the Triple Lock bung.

    But I am thoroughly expecting none of that to happen and we get a load of technocratic tinkering here there and everywhere to somehow scrape together the $20b or two she is short of.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,484

    Trump being very careful on the stairs as he arrives at Knesset.

    https://bsky.app/profile/scarylawyerguy.bsky.social/post/3m2zlonoolk2u
  • CumberlandGapCumberlandGap Posts: 15
    eek said:

    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.

    What were they asked to do - identify the most politically stupid tax increase possible?

    Now I can see them doing it but only if you were going to implement every political stupid tax increase possible see which ones caused the most outcry and revoking the 1/2 that created the most outcry but it's a stupid idea.
    They really did tie themselves in with their promises on income tax, NI and VAT. Raising income tax would have pretty much no negative economic impact. Not a fan of raising tax, would prefer budget cuts, but if you are going to do it, that is where you do it. 2p, 4p 5p? And then VAT, wholesale removal of exemptions. The last one of course politically impossible and inflationary.

    Death by a thousand taxes is the way this government will go down.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 217
    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
    Careful, you’ll have your PB SNPbad certification withdrawn.

    I’m assuming that the supporters on here of Unionist parties will expect them to do really well next May, with this issue at the centre of their manifestos. After all the electorate has a short memory and will have forgotten that it was the same parties imposing the expensive luxury trinket of trams on Edinburgh that has been a major factor in delaying the dualling of the A9.
    The trams are tbf a good thing in principle and in actuality - but building them to exceptional standards more usually seen in a Chieftain tank, and leaving construction to the Labour/LD admin on Edinburgh council to administer, were not, in hindsight and at the time in foresight, [edit] great ideas. It also meant even more work dealing with centuries of utilities and just plain holes and cellars under the roadway lest a tram does a nosedive. Though one hopes the robustness will pay off in the long run.
    I see plans being drawn up for a southern section down to Liberton and the hospital. What was the reason given for the increased costs for the first section? If I remember correctly the Leith line timescale was extended a fair bit due to covid

    They do seem a luxury standard but now they are done, should see the long term benefit of it. They definitely help when there's a concert on at murrayfield
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,900
    Good morning

    Today is history in the making and Trump has to be given the praise for this deal, though many will remain cherlish

    As far as the header is concerned it does not surprise because Trump wants Blair to succeed and Powell will have played a big part in that

    However, China gate is a different story with the CPS and Simon Case accusing the government of collapsing the Chinese spy trial with the spotlight falling on Jonathan Powell

    I have no idea if he was involved, but it will be subject to parliamentary scrutiny including by the select committee on foreign affairs and they will no doubt establish the facts

    Sky saying all the living Israeli hostages have now been released which has to be celebrated
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,882
    edited 8:26AM

    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
    Careful, you’ll have your PB SNPbad certification withdrawn.

    I’m assuming that the supporters on here of Unionist parties will expect them to do really well next May, with this issue at the centre of their manifestos. After all the electorate has a short memory and will have forgotten that it was the same parties imposing the expensive luxury trinket of trams on Edinburgh that has been a major factor in delaying the dualling of the A9.
    The trams are tbf a good thing in principle and in actuality - but building them to exceptional standards more usually seen in a Chieftain tank, and leaving construction to the Labour/LD admin on Edinburgh council to administer, were not, in hindsight and at the time in foresight, [edit] great ideas. It also meant even more work dealing with centuries of utilities and just plain holes and cellars under the roadway lest a tram does a nosedive. Though one hopes the robustness will pay off in the long run.
    I guess so, though as I think you have remarked previously, Edinburgh’s existing bus system was already great. It’s an example of an uncomfortable environment that were even more mired in today than we were in 2007, that several things can be good but we can’t afford all of them, and voters are resistant to accepting this.
    Also a bus service the local middle classes use much more than in other conurbations. But then the city doesn't really have a suburban or metro railway any longer (apart from that developing along the Borders Railway and ECML lines) - it badly needs one drilled north/south through the central crag and tail of the Castle-Holyrood line. As begun many, many years ago for the line north from Waverley via Scotland St to Trinity pier (Later Granton) for an integrated transport system to Fife. It needs to be extended south and up the gradient into Midlothian, as also proposed c. 200 years ago for the ECML.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,444

    eek said:

    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.

    What were they asked to do - identify the most politically stupid tax increase possible?

    Now I can see them doing it but only if you were going to implement every political stupid tax increase possible see which ones caused the most outcry and revoking the 1/2 that created the most outcry but it's a stupid idea.
    They really did tie themselves in with their promises on income tax, NI and VAT. Raising income tax would have pretty much no negative economic impact. Not a fan of raising tax, would prefer budget cuts, but if you are going to do it, that is where you do it. 2p, 4p 5p? And then VAT, wholesale removal of exemptions. The last one of course politically impossible and inflationary.

    Death by a thousand taxes is the way this government will go down.
    They had the opportunity last year to say hey guys, the books are worse than we were expecting thanks to the mismanagement of the outgoing government, things are going to be really tight so we are temporarily putting 2/3p on income tax rates and will remove them at the end of this Parliament.

    They no longer have that opportunity, at least not politically, and death by a thousand cuts and fiddling with exemptions just annoys a number of specific and organised groups of people, rather than annoying everyone.

    VAT on food is never happening, it’s difficult to imagine a tax rise that would be more regressive.

    They can probably raise quite a bit with fiscal drag on the 40% and 45% income tax brackets, that’s probably as close to an invisible tax rise as you’ll find.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,882
    DoctorG said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
    Careful, you’ll have your PB SNPbad certification withdrawn.

    I’m assuming that the supporters on here of Unionist parties will expect them to do really well next May, with this issue at the centre of their manifestos. After all the electorate has a short memory and will have forgotten that it was the same parties imposing the expensive luxury trinket of trams on Edinburgh that has been a major factor in delaying the dualling of the A9.
    The trams are tbf a good thing in principle and in actuality - but building them to exceptional standards more usually seen in a Chieftain tank, and leaving construction to the Labour/LD admin on Edinburgh council to administer, were not, in hindsight and at the time in foresight, [edit] great ideas. It also meant even more work dealing with centuries of utilities and just plain holes and cellars under the roadway lest a tram does a nosedive. Though one hopes the robustness will pay off in the long run.
    I see plans being drawn up for a southern section down to Liberton and the hospital. What was the reason given for the increased costs for the first section? If I remember correctly the Leith line timescale was extended a fair bit due to covid

    They do seem a luxury standard but now they are done, should see the long term benefit of it. They definitely help when there's a concert on at murrayfield
    Can't rmeember the details but for one thing the state of utilities was a big shock. They had to move just about every gas and electric line and drain and at the same time upgrade them to modern standards - though again that should be a long term benefit.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,900

    HYUFD said:

    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.

    If Reeves is stupid enough to reverse the Osborne inheritance tax cut, I predict Labour will be fourth in the polls by the New Year. Behind not only Reform but the Tories and LDs as well. With the Greens also snapping at their heels.

    I don't think she is that stupid though, a wealth tax on expensive homes and increase in CGT more likely
    I'm hoping she goes bold and finally takes on reform of council tax and local government funding and is the one to at last kill the Triple Lock bung.

    But I am thoroughly expecting none of that to happen and we get a load of technocratic tinkering here there and everywhere to somehow scrape together the $20b or two she is short of.

    There is a case to abolish the 7 year rule on IHT
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,504

    DavidL said:

    Probably just a dig at Tony Blair.

    But it does indicate that Trump has told them to play nice with us for now.

    Starmer's be nice to Trump strategy has actually paid off, also the fact that Trump is substantially more British than many millions of the people who live here, gives him an inherent fondness of the place. But like a petulant child that could change as his mood changes.
    So ‘Britishness’ is qualified by blood?
    I’m sure the Gàidhealtachd has its bullying, greedy, narcissistic strangers to truth, but I wouldn’t say they’re a huge cultural strand, and not generally admired characteristics.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 217
    On the A9, yes long term dualling would be optimal but I'd start Birman/Dunkeld to Pitlochry and work towards the middle. The next section looks to be slightly further north of Dunkeld to near Pitlochry.

    Towns like Nairn should have been bypassed years ago, its far too big for the amount of traffic it supports. there are similar issues in rural South Scotland driving through urban towns and villages on trunk roads
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,428

    eek said:

    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.

    What were they asked to do - identify the most politically stupid tax increase possible?

    Now I can see them doing it but only if you were going to implement every political stupid tax increase possible see which ones caused the most outcry and revoking the 1/2 that created the most outcry but it's a stupid idea.
    They really did tie themselves in with their promises on income tax, NI and VAT. Raising income tax would have pretty much no negative economic impact. Not a fan of raising tax, would prefer budget cuts, but if you are going to do it, that is where you do it. 2p, 4p 5p? And then VAT, wholesale removal of exemptions. The last one of course politically impossible and inflationary.

    Death by a thousand taxes is the way this government will go down.
    Perhaps but that's how the debate has been framed for three or four decades. Direct taxation can only go one way as raising taxes is akin to selling your grandparents.

    After the July 2024 election, I argued for a 25p basic rate, a 50p higher rate but with the unfreezing of thresholds increasing them by 2xRPI in year one and then 1.5xRPI In subsequent years as a little bit of carrot to go with the stick.

    Raising the thresholds gives room for the basic pension to rise but still be outside tax but none of that obviates the need for spending cuts but as usual those calling for them have little or no clue where the axe should fall. Border protection and defence seem sacrosanct currently and the Conservative waffle about £23 billion on spending cuts was long on generalities and short on specifics.

    We also have the option of a property-related tax (to replace Council Tax) which has been floated at 0.5% of value - we could call it Land Value Taxation perhaps.

    I would argue it's not "death by a thousand taxes" - it's "death by a hundred unpopular decisions not taken". The Conservative administrations after 2015 were notorious for avoiding taking decisions and being in thrall to poll ratings. Labour won a huge majority in 2024 - they should have been radical from day one - yes, they'd have ended up as unpopular as they are now, perhaps even more so, but they'd have had something to show for it.

    As an aside and whisper it quietly but I suspect many pensioners might be happy to accept a reduction in their lifestyle for the promise of adequate and timely health and social care when they really need it.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,192
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
    Careful, you’ll have your PB SNPbad certification withdrawn.

    I’m assuming that the supporters on here of Unionist parties will expect them to do really well next May, with this issue at the centre of their manifestos. After all the electorate has a short memory and will have forgotten that it was the same parties imposing the expensive luxury trinket of trams on Edinburgh that has been a major factor in delaying the dualling of the A9.
    The trams are tbf a good thing in principle and in actuality - but building them to exceptional standards more usually seen in a Chieftain tank, and leaving construction to the Labour/LD admin on Edinburgh council to administer, were not, in hindsight and at the time in foresight, [edit] great ideas. It also meant even more work dealing with centuries of utilities and just plain holes and cellars under the roadway lest a tram does a nosedive. Though one hopes the robustness will pay off in the long run.
    I guess so, though as I think you have remarked previously, Edinburgh’s existing bus system was already great. It’s an example of an uncomfortable environment that were even more mired in today than we were in 2007, that several things can be good but we can’t afford all of them, and voters are resistant to accepting this.
    Also a bus service the local middle classes use much more than in other conurbations. But then the city doesn't really have a suburban or metro railway any longer (apart from that developing along the Borders Railway and ECML lines) - it badly needs one drilled north/south through the central crag and tail of the Castle-Holyrood line. As begun many, many years ago for the line north from Waverley via Scotland St to Trinity pier (Later Granton) for an integrated transport system to Fife. It needs to be extended south and up the gradient into Midlothian, as also proposed c. 200 years ago for the ECML.
    Imagine what Edinburgh would have been like with its proposed urban motorway network!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,882

    HYUFD said:

    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.

    If Reeves is stupid enough to reverse the Osborne inheritance tax cut, I predict Labour will be fourth in the polls by the New Year. Behind not only Reform but the Tories and LDs as well. With the Greens also snapping at their heels.

    I don't think she is that stupid though, a wealth tax on expensive homes and increase in CGT more likely
    I'm hoping she goes bold and finally takes on reform of council tax and local government funding and is the one to at last kill the Triple Lock bung.

    But I am thoroughly expecting none of that to happen and we get a load of technocratic tinkering here there and everywhere to somehow scrape together the $20b or two she is short of.

    There is a case to abolish the 7 year rule on IHT
    Can't, else there'd be a lot of deathbed transfers? Unless you mean extending it or changing it to CGT on all intra-family transfers?

    A good friend of mine signed over nis entire assets to his wife during his terminal illness, closing down bank accounts etc., but that was to make life easier for her, no need to deal with banks etc., and it would have been exempt either way anyway. The executors still had to do the IHT400 or whatever form was needed to prove to HMRC that no INT was due.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,882

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
    Careful, you’ll have your PB SNPbad certification withdrawn.

    I’m assuming that the supporters on here of Unionist parties will expect them to do really well next May, with this issue at the centre of their manifestos. After all the electorate has a short memory and will have forgotten that it was the same parties imposing the expensive luxury trinket of trams on Edinburgh that has been a major factor in delaying the dualling of the A9.
    The trams are tbf a good thing in principle and in actuality - but building them to exceptional standards more usually seen in a Chieftain tank, and leaving construction to the Labour/LD admin on Edinburgh council to administer, were not, in hindsight and at the time in foresight, [edit] great ideas. It also meant even more work dealing with centuries of utilities and just plain holes and cellars under the roadway lest a tram does a nosedive. Though one hopes the robustness will pay off in the long run.
    I guess so, though as I think you have remarked previously, Edinburgh’s existing bus system was already great. It’s an example of an uncomfortable environment that were even more mired in today than we were in 2007, that several things can be good but we can’t afford all of them, and voters are resistant to accepting this.
    Also a bus service the local middle classes use much more than in other conurbations. But then the city doesn't really have a suburban or metro railway any longer (apart from that developing along the Borders Railway and ECML lines) - it badly needs one drilled north/south through the central crag and tail of the Castle-Holyrood line. As begun many, many years ago for the line north from Waverley via Scotland St to Trinity pier (Later Granton) for an integrated transport system to Fife. It needs to be extended south and up the gradient into Midlothian, as also proposed c. 200 years ago for the ECML.
    Imagine what Edinburgh would have been like with its proposed urban motorway network!
    Horrendous, complete with one along Princes Street. The proposals alone wrecked the economy of the south side of the inner city for much of my earlier life. It's only relatively recently recovered.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,593

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
    Careful, you’ll have your PB SNPbad certification withdrawn.

    I’m assuming that the supporters on here of Unionist parties will expect them to do really well next May, with this issue at the centre of their manifestos. After all the electorate has a short memory and will have forgotten that it was the same parties imposing the expensive luxury trinket of trams on Edinburgh that has been a major factor in delaying the dualling of the A9.
    The trams are tbf a good thing in principle and in actuality - but building them to exceptional standards more usually seen in a Chieftain tank, and leaving construction to the Labour/LD admin on Edinburgh council to administer, were not, in hindsight and at the time in foresight, [edit] great ideas. It also meant even more work dealing with centuries of utilities and just plain holes and cellars under the roadway lest a tram does a nosedive. Though one hopes the robustness will pay off in the long run.
    I guess so, though as I think you have remarked previously, Edinburgh’s existing bus system was already great. It’s an example of an uncomfortable environment that were even more mired in today than we were in 2007, that several things can be good but we can’t afford all of them, and voters are resistant to accepting this.
    Also a bus service the local middle classes use much more than in other conurbations. But then the city doesn't really have a suburban or metro railway any longer (apart from that developing along the Borders Railway and ECML lines) - it badly needs one drilled north/south through the central crag and tail of the Castle-Holyrood line. As begun many, many years ago for the line north from Waverley via Scotland St to Trinity pier (Later Granton) for an integrated transport system to Fife. It needs to be extended south and up the gradient into Midlothian, as also proposed c. 200 years ago for the ECML.
    Imagine what Edinburgh would have been like with its proposed urban motorway network!
    Birmingham?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,732

    DavidL said:

    Probably just a dig at Tony Blair.

    But it does indicate that Trump has told them to play nice with us for now.

    Starmer's be nice to Trump strategy has actually paid off, also the fact that Trump is substantially more British than many millions of the people who live here, gives him an inherent fondness of the place. But like a petulant child that could change as his mood changes.
    So ‘Britishness’ is qualified by blood?
    I’m sure the Gàidhealtachd has its bullying, greedy, narcissistic strangers to truth, but I wouldn’t say they’re a huge cultural strand, and not generally admired characteristics.
    My B-i-L is Gàidhealtachd. He has two brothers - Angus and Angus. Easier to remember.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,444

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
    Careful, you’ll have your PB SNPbad certification withdrawn.

    I’m assuming that the supporters on here of Unionist parties will expect them to do really well next May, with this issue at the centre of their manifestos. After all the electorate has a short memory and will have forgotten that it was the same parties imposing the expensive luxury trinket of trams on Edinburgh that has been a major factor in delaying the dualling of the A9.
    The trams are tbf a good thing in principle and in actuality - but building them to exceptional standards more usually seen in a Chieftain tank, and leaving construction to the Labour/LD admin on Edinburgh council to administer, were not, in hindsight and at the time in foresight, [edit] great ideas. It also meant even more work dealing with centuries of utilities and just plain holes and cellars under the roadway lest a tram does a nosedive. Though one hopes the robustness will pay off in the long run.
    I guess so, though as I think you have remarked previously, Edinburgh’s existing bus system was already great. It’s an example of an uncomfortable environment that were even more mired in today than we were in 2007, that several things can be good but we can’t afford all of them, and voters are resistant to accepting this.
    Also a bus service the local middle classes use much more than in other conurbations. But then the city doesn't really have a suburban or metro railway any longer (apart from that developing along the Borders Railway and ECML lines) - it badly needs one drilled north/south through the central crag and tail of the Castle-Holyrood line. As begun many, many years ago for the line north from Waverley via Scotland St to Trinity pier (Later Granton) for an integrated transport system to Fife. It needs to be extended south and up the gradient into Midlothian, as also proposed c. 200 years ago for the ECML.
    Imagine what Edinburgh would have been like with its proposed urban motorway network!
    Glasgow!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,038
    edited 8:42AM

    Good morning

    Today is history in the making and Trump has to be given the praise for this deal, though many will remain cherlish

    As far as the header is concerned it does not surprise because Trump wants Blair to succeed and Powell will have played a big part in that

    However, China gate is a different story with the CPS and Simon Case accusing the government of collapsing the Chinese spy trial with the spotlight falling on Jonathan Powell

    I have no idea if he was involved, but it will be subject to parliamentary scrutiny including by the select committee on foreign affairs and they will no doubt establish the facts

    Sky saying all the living Israeli hostages have now been released which has to be celebrated

    The government line (which has a certain amount of logic to it) is that the alleged offence took place under the previous government, and that at the time China was not designated a hostile power. To do so now in order to allow the protection to proceed has an element of retrospective legislation to it, which could perhaps be argued as a defence to any charge.

    I'm not entirely clear on the precise law surrounding this case, but I'm pretty certain that's also true of 99% of those professing strong opinions about it (whether pro, or anti-government).

    There is, of course, the purely pragmatic point that formally detonating China as a hostile power now will have significant economic repercussions.

    A (edit) penultimate point is that Simon Chase's own credibility is not entirely copper bottomed.

    Finally, it's "churlish" not cherlish.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,900
    On the Trump Blair proposals has Starmer welcomed it and Blair's involvement ?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,001
    This week's local by-elections

    BABERGH DC; Copdock & Washbrook (LD died)
    PRESTON DC; Ashton (Lab resigned)
    REIGATE & BANSTEAD DC; Meadvale & St Johns (LD resigned)
    SOUTH AYRSHIRE UA; Ayr North (Ind elected as SNP died)
    SPELTHORNE DC; Staines (Grn resigned)
    SURREY CC; Camberley West (Con died)
    SURREY CC; Caterham Valley (LD resigned)
    SURREY CC; Guildford South East (Res for Guildford Villages resigned)
    TANDRIDGE DC; Whyteleafe (LD resigned)
    TRAFFORD MBC; Broadheath (Lab died)

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/19742/local-council-elections-16th-october
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,192
    Sandpit said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
    Careful, you’ll have your PB SNPbad certification withdrawn.

    I’m assuming that the supporters on here of Unionist parties will expect them to do really well next May, with this issue at the centre of their manifestos. After all the electorate has a short memory and will have forgotten that it was the same parties imposing the expensive luxury trinket of trams on Edinburgh that has been a major factor in delaying the dualling of the A9.
    The trams are tbf a good thing in principle and in actuality - but building them to exceptional standards more usually seen in a Chieftain tank, and leaving construction to the Labour/LD admin on Edinburgh council to administer, were not, in hindsight and at the time in foresight, [edit] great ideas. It also meant even more work dealing with centuries of utilities and just plain holes and cellars under the roadway lest a tram does a nosedive. Though one hopes the robustness will pay off in the long run.
    I guess so, though as I think you have remarked previously, Edinburgh’s existing bus system was already great. It’s an example of an uncomfortable environment that were even more mired in today than we were in 2007, that several things can be good but we can’t afford all of them, and voters are resistant to accepting this.
    Also a bus service the local middle classes use much more than in other conurbations. But then the city doesn't really have a suburban or metro railway any longer (apart from that developing along the Borders Railway and ECML lines) - it badly needs one drilled north/south through the central crag and tail of the Castle-Holyrood line. As begun many, many years ago for the line north from Waverley via Scotland St to Trinity pier (Later Granton) for an integrated transport system to Fife. It needs to be extended south and up the gradient into Midlothian, as also proposed c. 200 years ago for the ECML.
    Imagine what Edinburgh would have been like with its proposed urban motorway network!
    Glasgow!
    Not quite. Remember that the M8 through Glasgow sliced through districts being demolished anyway and along a disused canal. The Edinburgh plan basically demolished a ring of spectacular buildings not being demolished for any other reason.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,900
    edited 8:50AM
    Nigelb said:

    Good morning

    Today is history in the making and Trump has to be given the praise for this deal, though many will remain cherlish

    As far as the header is concerned it does not surprise because Trump wants Blair to succeed and Powell will have played a big part in that

    However, China gate is a different story with the CPS and Simon Case accusing the government of collapsing the Chinese spy trial with the spotlight falling on Jonathan Powell

    I have no idea if he was involved, but it will be subject to parliamentary scrutiny including by the select committee on foreign affairs and they will no doubt establish the facts

    Sky saying all the living Israeli hostages have now been released which has to be celebrated

    The government line (which has a certain amount of logic to it) is that the alleged offence took place under the previous government, and that at the time China was not designated a hostile power. To do so now in order to allow the protection to proceed has an element of retrospective legislation to it, which could perhaps be argued as a defence to any charge.

    I'm not entirely clear on the precise law surrounding this case, but I'm pretty certain that's also true of 99% of those professing strong opinions about it (whether pro, or anti-government).

    There is, of course, the purely pragmatic point that formally detonating China as a hostile power now will have significant economic repercussions.

    A (edit) penultimate point is that Simon Chase's own credibility is not entirely copper bottomed.

    Finally, it's "churlish" not cherlish.
    I agree and it is upto Parliament and it's committees to find out the facts, though with this controversy and the Chinese London Embassy in the spotlight the government will have to tread a very careful line with China on trade

    Me and my spelling sometimes disagree with each other !!!!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,038
    stodge said:

    eek said:

    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.

    What were they asked to do - identify the most politically stupid tax increase possible?

    Now I can see them doing it but only if you were going to implement every political stupid tax increase possible see which ones caused the most outcry and revoking the 1/2 that created the most outcry but it's a stupid idea.
    They really did tie themselves in with their promises on income tax, NI and VAT. Raising income tax would have pretty much no negative economic impact. Not a fan of raising tax, would prefer budget cuts, but if you are going to do it, that is where you do it. 2p, 4p 5p? And then VAT, wholesale removal of exemptions. The last one of course politically impossible and inflationary.

    Death by a thousand taxes is the way this government will go down.
    Perhaps but that's how the debate has been framed for three or four decades. Direct taxation can only go one way as raising taxes is akin to selling your grandparents.

    After the July 2024 election, I argued for a 25p basic rate, a 50p higher rate but with the unfreezing of thresholds increasing them by 2xRPI in year one and then 1.5xRPI In subsequent years as a little bit of carrot to go with the stick.

    Raising the thresholds gives room for the basic pension to rise but still be outside tax but none of that obviates the need for spending cuts but as usual those calling for them have little or no clue where the axe should fall. Border protection and defence seem sacrosanct currently and the Conservative waffle about £23 billion on spending cuts was long on generalities and short on specifics.

    We also have the option of a property-related tax (to replace Council Tax) which has been floated at 0.5% of value - we could call it Land Value Taxation perhaps.

    I would argue it's not "death by a thousand taxes" - it's "death by a hundred unpopular decisions not taken". The Conservative administrations after 2015 were notorious for avoiding taking decisions and being in thrall to poll ratings. Labour won a huge majority in 2024 - they should have been radical from day one - yes, they'd have ended up as unpopular as they are now, perhaps even more so, but they'd have had something to show for it.

    As an aside and whisper it quietly but I suspect many pensioners might be happy to accept a reduction in their lifestyle for the promise of adequate and timely health and social care when they really need it.
    They might even be less unpopular.

    If they'd genuinely grasped the nettle of planning reform, and immediately broken their promise on taxation and put up income tax, I might even have been tempted to vote for them next time around.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,038
    edited 8:50AM

    Nigelb said:

    Good morning

    Today is history in the making and Trump has to be given the praise for this deal, though many will remain cherlish

    As far as the header is concerned it does not surprise because Trump wants Blair to succeed and Powell will have played a big part in that

    However, China gate is a different story with the CPS and Simon Case accusing the government of collapsing the Chinese spy trial with the spotlight falling on Jonathan Powell

    I have no idea if he was involved, but it will be subject to parliamentary scrutiny including by the select committee on foreign affairs and they will no doubt establish the facts

    Sky saying all the living Israeli hostages have now been released which has to be celebrated

    The government line (which has a certain amount of logic to it) is that the alleged offence took place under the previous government, and that at the time China was not designated a hostile power. To do so now in order to allow the protection to proceed has an element of retrospective legislation to it, which could perhaps be argued as a defence to any charge.

    I'm not entirely clear on the precise law surrounding this case, but I'm pretty certain that's also true of 99% of those professing strong opinions about it (whether pro, or anti-government).

    There is, of course, the purely pragmatic point that formally detonating China as a hostile power now will have significant economic repercussions.

    A (edit) penultimate point is that Simon Chase's own credibility is not entirely copper bottomed.

    Finally, it's "churlish" not cherlish.
    I agree and it is upto Parliament and it's committees to find out the facts, though with this controversy and the Chinese London Embassy in the spotlight the government will have to tread a very careful line with China on trade
    Whatever political damage there is has been done, and can't really be undone whatever they go on to do.
    It would be daft now to alienate China into the bargain.

    We ought to share notes with the S Koreans on how to maintain both distance from, and relatively cordial relations with China.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,722

    HYUFD said:

    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.

    If Reeves is stupid enough to reverse the Osborne inheritance tax cut, I predict Labour will be fourth in the polls by the New Year. Behind not only Reform but the Tories and LDs as well. With the Greens also snapping at their heels.

    I don't think she is that stupid though, a wealth tax on expensive homes and increase in CGT more likely
    I'm hoping she goes bold and finally takes on reform of council tax and local government funding and is the one to at last kill the Triple Lock bung.

    But I am thoroughly expecting none of that to happen and we get a load of technocratic tinkering here there and everywhere to somehow scrape together the $20b or two she is short of.

    There is a case to abolish the 7 year rule on IHT
    That would be just as unpopular, especially as it is often used to help children with a deposit for a house
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,989
    theProle said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    The problem of somewhat inadequate maternity provision is not novel to the North of Scotland.

    My wife had our 2nd little one on Thursday night. It was a quick labour - she felt a bit sick eating her tea around 7pm (hardly unusual when heavily pregnant!), and decided she had "coming and going" sick feelings at 8.37pm (I have the timestamp as she messaged me to come upstairs!) I summoned the baby sitter for son no1 shortly afterwards. Baby sitter was with us in 20 mins, and we left 10 mins later (after my wife had thrown up fairly spectacularly!).

    I then did the journey to the hospital in 28 minutes, which is an all time record - fortunately the roads were quiet and I was able to press on rather over the speed limit, as by then it was obvious that she was getting quite advanced in labour. When I wheeled her into hospital and they got her in the delivery room, son no2's head was already visible, and he was born 41 minutes later.

    As it was, this all worked out fine. Had this all occurred starting at 7.30am on a weekday, we wouldn't have made it to the hospital - the journey can be well over an hour in peak traffic. Given my wife tore quite badly despite an episiotomy, had I delivered the baby in the car, there would have been a real risk of things going very wrong indeed. Indeed, even at hospital, there was a point shortly before the episiotomy where baby's heartrate started noticeably dropping, and I could sense the midwifes going from fairly chilled to "we need to get this baby out pronto".

    Our town had maternity provision at our cottage hospital when I moved here, 13 years ago - but the NHS decided economies of scale were the future and closed it. Since then the traffic has got lots worse, and it wasn't great then, and our town has also expanded by 25% with new housing, without any additional medical provision (you can't get on the books of a private dentist within 15 miles, never mind an NHS one).
    Unfortunately I don't see things changing locally - if we go for another baby (we need another 0.4 of one to hit replacement rate!), I think we'll probably be asking for a home birth - ironically, although there is a no maternity suite at the cottage hospital, there are still loads of midwives based there!
    Congrats :)

    But, as you say, lucky timing.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,882

    Sandpit said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
    Careful, you’ll have your PB SNPbad certification withdrawn.

    I’m assuming that the supporters on here of Unionist parties will expect them to do really well next May, with this issue at the centre of their manifestos. After all the electorate has a short memory and will have forgotten that it was the same parties imposing the expensive luxury trinket of trams on Edinburgh that has been a major factor in delaying the dualling of the A9.
    The trams are tbf a good thing in principle and in actuality - but building them to exceptional standards more usually seen in a Chieftain tank, and leaving construction to the Labour/LD admin on Edinburgh council to administer, were not, in hindsight and at the time in foresight, [edit] great ideas. It also meant even more work dealing with centuries of utilities and just plain holes and cellars under the roadway lest a tram does a nosedive. Though one hopes the robustness will pay off in the long run.
    I guess so, though as I think you have remarked previously, Edinburgh’s existing bus system was already great. It’s an example of an uncomfortable environment that were even more mired in today than we were in 2007, that several things can be good but we can’t afford all of them, and voters are resistant to accepting this.
    Also a bus service the local middle classes use much more than in other conurbations. But then the city doesn't really have a suburban or metro railway any longer (apart from that developing along the Borders Railway and ECML lines) - it badly needs one drilled north/south through the central crag and tail of the Castle-Holyrood line. As begun many, many years ago for the line north from Waverley via Scotland St to Trinity pier (Later Granton) for an integrated transport system to Fife. It needs to be extended south and up the gradient into Midlothian, as also proposed c. 200 years ago for the ECML.
    Imagine what Edinburgh would have been like with its proposed urban motorway network!
    Glasgow!
    Not quite. Remember that the M8 through Glasgow sliced through districts being demolished anyway and along a disused canal. The Edinburgh plan basically demolished a ring of spectacular buildings not being demolished for any other reason.
    Princes St for years had a number of brutalist modern shops designed to fit that plan, with pedestrian pavements on the first floor outside only, Brum style. Which didn't bode well for the older buildings.

    These fortunately false concrete prophets of a nonexistent future are beginning to disappear as a new generation of buildings comes in.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,914
    Glad to see all the hostages released and returning to their families. A real success for Trump to get this far, hoping that the rest of the deal follows as well and Hamas can be defeated by all of the local factions who do seem to be putting up a lot of resistance.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,900
    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Just catching up with PB over last couple of days and I feel incredible strongly about this issue that Big G NorthWales brought up. Its a bloody disgrace that the A9 and the A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen remain such dangerous roads, add to that the amount of pregnant women who have to travel both roads to give birth when in labour in all weathers. That is now on the awful and incompetent SNP Government of the last eighteen years, most of whom don't live anywhere near these areas!!

    FPT.
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    » show previous quotes
    We have travelled from Llandudno to Lossiemouth countless times and use the M6, M74, then to Perth, A9 to Aviemore, then on to Elgin and Lossiemouth
    .
    Occasionally we have gone via Edinburgh and the M90 but the first route is our preferred choice

    The lack of dualling the A9 to Inverness is disgraceful and it remains one of the most dangerous roads in UK
    ______

    The A9 should have been duelled years ago, and it would have saved so many lives, ditto the awful A96. I came from Aviemore and most locals living along the full length of both routes all know the notorious accident blackspots, there is a horrible junction leading onto the A9 outside Aviemore and one leading onto the A96 from Aberdeenshire that we rarely use for good reason, seriously heart in mouth!! I sadly know people who have lost their lives on these roads.

    For me the roads are a prime example of how the Scottish government is all mouth and no trousers. Yes, the odd big project gets built - the A90(notM) Aberdeen Western Peripheral as an example. But the rest? Nothing but excuses.

    The A9 is the road that so many foreign tourists judge us on - and its lethal. As is the A96 - both in the lunatic open sections and as traffic is dragged through the centre of Keith and Elgin and Nairn and Forres.

    Why aren't they done? Its the fault of the English of course - because in Scotland anything good is the SNP and anything bad is Westminster.

    I have another more local example - the Toll of Birness A90 / A952 junction north of Ellon. 3 miles onto the first single carriageway section of the road you have a fork. The A952 branches off and is the busy direct route to Fraserburgh, with the A90 sweeping off the other way heading for Peterhead then Fraserburgh.

    A roundabout - with or without a 3 mile dualled section - has been endlessly talked about. Primarily because of all the fatal accidents. I Do Not use the A952 south during the day to avoid the junction.

    Why isn't it done? Because Aberdeenshire council isn't run by the SNP who say its a council not a government issue. And then the government won't fund it or the council either.

    And so people continue to die.
    It doesn't really go through Forres. That section is fine.

    And that's what I mean by low-hanging fruit - dualled bypasses of Elgin, Nairn and Keith must be the biggest priorities - even more than the A9. The benefit-cost ratio is much better and we have to be realistic about the enormous cost and time for fully dialling both roads.
    I've only used the A9 north of Perth a handful of times - but if this is an example of how Edinburgh spends that lovely Barnett formula bounty I'd say it's doing quite well. Fast and efficient - you rarely drop below 50mph, so well engineered is it for trucks; anything which slows the trafgic down like right turns and local access separated out - with passing opportunities every ten minutes or so - yet proportionate to the relatively light amount of traffic which uses it.
    But maybe I've just been lucky.
    Careful, you’ll have your PB SNPbad certification withdrawn.

    I’m assuming that the supporters on here of Unionist parties will expect them to do really well next May, with this issue at the centre of their manifestos. After all the electorate has a short memory and will have forgotten that it was the same parties imposing the expensive luxury trinket of trams on Edinburgh that has been a major factor in delaying the dualling of the A9.
    The trams are tbf a good thing in principle and in actuality - but building them to exceptional standards more usually seen in a Chieftain tank, and leaving construction to the Labour/LD admin on Edinburgh council to administer, were not, in hindsight and at the time in foresight, [edit] great ideas. It also meant even more work dealing with centuries of utilities and just plain holes and cellars under the roadway lest a tram does a nosedive. Though one hopes the robustness will pay off in the long run.
    I guess so, though as I think you have remarked previously, Edinburgh’s existing bus system was already great. It’s an example of an uncomfortable environment that were even more mired in today than we were in 2007, that several things can be good but we can’t afford all of them, and voters are resistant to accepting this.
    Also a bus service the local middle classes use much more than in other conurbations. But then the city doesn't really have a suburban or metro railway any longer (apart from that developing along the Borders Railway and ECML lines) - it badly needs one drilled north/south through the central crag and tail of the Castle-Holyrood line. As begun many, many years ago for the line north from Waverley via Scotland St to Trinity pier (Later Granton) for an integrated transport system to Fife. It needs to be extended south and up the gradient into Midlothian, as also proposed c. 200 years ago for the ECML.
    Imagine what Edinburgh would have been like with its proposed urban motorway network!
    Glasgow!
    Not quite. Remember that the M8 through Glasgow sliced through districts being demolished anyway and along a disused canal. The Edinburgh plan basically demolished a ring of spectacular buildings not being demolished for any other reason.
    Princes St for years had a number of brutalist modern shops designed to fit that plan, with pedestrian pavements on the first floor outside only, Brum style. Which didn't bode well for the older buildings.

    These fortunately false concrete prophets of a nonexistent future are beginning to disappear as a new generation of buildings comes in.
    I once directed traffic on Princes Street as a young policeman in early 1965
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,900
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.

    If Reeves is stupid enough to reverse the Osborne inheritance tax cut, I predict Labour will be fourth in the polls by the New Year. Behind not only Reform but the Tories and LDs as well. With the Greens also snapping at their heels.

    I don't think she is that stupid though, a wealth tax on expensive homes and increase in CGT more likely
    I'm hoping she goes bold and finally takes on reform of council tax and local government funding and is the one to at last kill the Triple Lock bung.

    But I am thoroughly expecting none of that to happen and we get a load of technocratic tinkering here there and everywhere to somehow scrape together the $20b or two she is short of.

    There is a case to abolish the 7 year rule on IHT
    That would be just as unpopular, especially as it is often used to help children with a deposit for a house
    But at taxpayers expense
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,428
    Nigelb said:

    stodge said:

    eek said:

    Not an especial fan of the IFS (ever since they criticised an Osborne budget for cutting benefits, when said change would be less employment benefit due to more people being in work...) but here's a BBC ramble about the still far-off Budget, based on IFS views:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n08n15w2o

    "...while £6bn could be raised from the abolition of relief on inheritance tax for main homes. "

    That would be courageous, in the Yes, (Prime) Minister sense.

    What were they asked to do - identify the most politically stupid tax increase possible?

    Now I can see them doing it but only if you were going to implement every political stupid tax increase possible see which ones caused the most outcry and revoking the 1/2 that created the most outcry but it's a stupid idea.
    They really did tie themselves in with their promises on income tax, NI and VAT. Raising income tax would have pretty much no negative economic impact. Not a fan of raising tax, would prefer budget cuts, but if you are going to do it, that is where you do it. 2p, 4p 5p? And then VAT, wholesale removal of exemptions. The last one of course politically impossible and inflationary.

    Death by a thousand taxes is the way this government will go down.
    Perhaps but that's how the debate has been framed for three or four decades. Direct taxation can only go one way as raising taxes is akin to selling your grandparents.

    After the July 2024 election, I argued for a 25p basic rate, a 50p higher rate but with the unfreezing of thresholds increasing them by 2xRPI in year one and then 1.5xRPI In subsequent years as a little bit of carrot to go with the stick.

    Raising the thresholds gives room for the basic pension to rise but still be outside tax but none of that obviates the need for spending cuts but as usual those calling for them have little or no clue where the axe should fall. Border protection and defence seem sacrosanct currently and the Conservative waffle about £23 billion on spending cuts was long on generalities and short on specifics.

    We also have the option of a property-related tax (to replace Council Tax) which has been floated at 0.5% of value - we could call it Land Value Taxation perhaps.

    I would argue it's not "death by a thousand taxes" - it's "death by a hundred unpopular decisions not taken". The Conservative administrations after 2015 were notorious for avoiding taking decisions and being in thrall to poll ratings. Labour won a huge majority in 2024 - they should have been radical from day one - yes, they'd have ended up as unpopular as they are now, perhaps even more so, but they'd have had something to show for it.

    As an aside and whisper it quietly but I suspect many pensioners might be happy to accept a reduction in their lifestyle for the promise of adequate and timely health and social care when they really need it.
    They might even be less unpopular.

    If they'd genuinely grasped the nettle of planning reform, and immediately broken their promise on taxation and put up income tax, I might even have been tempted to vote for them next time around.
    I don't disagree but they were as timid and perhaps stunned by the size of their victory as were the Blairites in 1997. Of course, the economy then was in a very different place and by signing up to Clarke's spending plans for the first two years, Labour effectively neutralised any challenge from the Conservatives.

    The failure to take advantage of a huge majority is what will haunt Starmer and his administration - they could and should have gone in with both feet but the OBR precluded a quick Emergency Budget (which didn't happen for Osborne in 2010) but even so a radical tax-raising budget in the latter part of last year would at least have shown Labour meant business about reducing the deficit (though you could equally argue the pay awards, a trap laid by the departing Conservative administration of Sunak) meant they either had to pay up or face a season of damaging strikes from workers likely to enjoy considerbale public support.
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