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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,244
    edited October 9

    When Labour announced VAT on private school fees, they promised it would raise £1.7 billion for state schools.

    With 25,000 pupils already forced out, eight times more than predicted, the policy is on track to cost taxpayers money rather than raise it. A thread....

    https://x.com/strickia/status/1976294556770423119

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10125/ says "The government forecast that imposing VAT on fees will result in 37,000 pupils leaving the private sector, representing about 6% of the current private school population." So, how is 25,000 "eight times more than predicted"? It looks more like two thirds of what was predicted.
    That was "Long Term" i.e. in total after 6+ years. The prediction was just 3000 in year 1. There is a table of the predictions here,

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-on-private-school-fees/applying-vat-to-private-school-fees
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,634

    Cookie said:

    These findings fill me with incredulity.

    The sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

    Same, I had to check with YouGov that there were no typos in the posts.

    I just cannot wrap my ahead around it, my parents think their main role in life is to spend money on their grandkids, and also leave me and them a massive inheritance.
    I'm not sure it's entitlement - just a massive failure to recognise how anomalously lucky their generation is.
    My mother in law has a slightly exasperating tendency to talk to us about what we'll do when we retire, blithely expecting that we'll be able to have the same two-cruises-a-year lifestyle she has. At present my plan A is work until my 70s then off to Dignitas.
    There's a total lack of self-awareness.

    It's also the generation that did the Summer of '69 and all the self-indulgence of the 1960s, so there's a certain me me me to them anyway.
    We can take the 'generation' thing a bit too far. My dad's reaction to the 'summer of love':
    "I was too busy trying to make a living"

    I fear the stories of the swinging sixties are far more widespread than the actual experiences.
    "Generations" are an artificial construct. People aren't born into a generation. They are just born when they're born.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,410

    When Labour announced VAT on private school fees, they promised it would raise £1.7 billion for state schools.

    With 25,000 pupils already forced out, eight times more than predicted, the policy is on track to cost taxpayers money rather than raise it. A thread....

    https://x.com/strickia/status/1976294556770423119

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10125/ says "The government forecast that imposing VAT on fees will result in 37,000 pupils leaving the private sector, representing about 6% of the current private school population." So, how is 25,000 "eight times more than predicted"? It looks more like two thirds of what was predicted.
    There's a distinction between people actively leaving and people not starting private school each year, right? Are we comparing like with like?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,634

    Cookie said:

    The Farage claims of all the teachers are indoctorinating our kids and are activists again seems very MAGA and "Online" where the likes of "Libs of TikTok" social media accounts bang on constantly about it.

    I don't have kids, but I don't get that the "reds under the beds" scare is something that is part of the UK political discussion around education.

    I have quite a bit of interaction with education - and at the secondary level at least this feels very plausible. It's not all teachers, and not all schools, but, well, if you're a white British straight male, British schools aren't a place to make you feel good about yourself.
    Not like in the good old days when all the gay kids were either closeted or bullied every single day, the girls could expect to be continuously harassed by the boys and racism was absolutely endemic. This was my experience of school life in the 1980s and early 1990s. These days my son's straight white male friends all seem pretty happy at school FWIW.
    Yeah. Because that's the only alternative.

    Obvs.
    It isn't but it seems to be the target for some.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,058

    Cookie said:

    These findings fill me with incredulity.

    The sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

    Same, I had to check with YouGov that there were no typos in the posts.

    I just cannot wrap my ahead around it, my parents think their main role in life is to spend money on their grandkids, and also leave me and them a massive inheritance.
    I'm not sure it's entitlement - just a massive failure to recognise how anomalously lucky their generation is.
    My mother in law has a slightly exasperating tendency to talk to us about what we'll do when we retire, blithely expecting that we'll be able to have the same two-cruises-a-year lifestyle she has. At present my plan A is work until my 70s then off to Dignitas.
    There's a total lack of self-awareness.

    It's also the generation that did the Summer of '69 and all the self-indulgence of the 1960s, so there's a certain me me me to them anyway.
    We can take the 'generation' thing a bit too far. My dad's reaction to the 'summer of love':
    "I was too busy trying to make a living"

    I fear the stories of the swinging sixties are far more widespread than the actual experiences.
    My parents celebrated the summer of love by getting married! Not exactly swinging sixties, although they did tie the knot with a Quaker ceremony, prompting my extremely rightwing grandfather to ask the minister if it was legal. The culture wars were very much a thing then as well!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,254
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    The site seems a bit tetchy, so I shall selflessly use up my picture ration with a cheering picture quiz. This one shouldn’t be too hard

    What links these three anonymous American suburban garages




    Norma Jean ?
    No. The answer is quite cool. No googling!!!!
    Amazon, HP and ?
    No yes and....? No Googling!

    NO GOOGLE
    Ah, one must be the original global headquarters for Larry and Sergey. Don't know which.
    Yep. And that's close enough. They are all in Silicon Valley, and I did a tour of them yesterday, when I realised they made a brilliant trinity of tech

    The answer, chronologically:

    On left: that shadowed little green-doored hut down the narrow path is the Hewlett-Packard Garage in Palo Alto, where in 1939 Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard built a low-distortion audio oscillator - the HP Model 200A- that powered Disney’s Fantasia and quietly birthed Silicon Valley

    Bottom right: the single-storey suburban house with the white car and pink flowers? - that's the Apple Garage, where Jobs and Wozniak conjured the first Macintosh dreams, in 1976

    Top right: the neat beige split-level, with its white fence and careful hedge, is Google’s Menlo Park birthplace, where Sergey Brin and Larry Page set up their first servers, installed a whiteboard, and refined their PageRank algorithm. Laying the foundation of the modern internet, in 1998

    Three garages, within one 20 minute drive, and in a way the entire history of modern tech
    You really want something interesting?

    Visit SRI International and draw out the spiders web that it sits at the heart of
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,986
    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+3)
    LAB: 20% (=)
    CON: 19% (-1)
    LDM: 14% (=)
    GRN: 8% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @Moreincommon_
    , 3-6 Oct.
    Changes w/ 26-29 Sep."

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1975860740121841817
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,546
    Bezos started Amazon in Bellevue, but soon moved it to Seattle -- a mistake in my opinion.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellevue,_Washington

    I am not sure, but think Bill Gates preferred Bellevue, but couldn't find enough space there, and so instead chose a farm in neighboring Redmond.

    In the past, and possibly still, Microsoft employees seemed to like the company more than he customers did; the opposite was true of Amazon.

    (For the record: The suburb I live in is adjacent to both Bellevue and Redmond -- and a Google operation is just a few blocks from my apartment.)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,200
    Andy_JS said:

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+3)
    LAB: 20% (=)
    CON: 19% (-1)
    LDM: 14% (=)
    GRN: 8% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @Moreincommon_
    , 3-6 Oct.
    Changes w/ 26-29 Sep."

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1975860740121841817

    Broken, broken Tories on the slide!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,487

    Taz said:

    Looks like the inept JLR are about to restart producing their mediocre vehicles.

    Should they just be LR being as J no longer make any vehicles?
    Both Jaguar and the Church of England seem to both hate their own brand, and are determined to destroy it.
    How much must the Tory party hate itself?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,244
    edited October 9
    Andy_JS said:

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+3)
    LAB: 20% (=)
    CON: 19% (-1)
    LDM: 14% (=)
    GRN: 8% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @Moreincommon_
    , 3-6 Oct.
    Changes w/ 26-29 Sep."

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1975860740121841817

    It does look like Reform keep nudging up on high end. 4-5 months ago it was at 30%, now a number of polls in 33-35% range. Farage saying iffy stuff doesn't seem to hurt him.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,714

    Andy_JS said:

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+3)
    LAB: 20% (=)
    CON: 19% (-1)
    LDM: 14% (=)
    GRN: 8% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @Moreincommon_
    , 3-6 Oct.
    Changes w/ 26-29 Sep."

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1975860740121841817

    Broken, broken Tories on the slide!
    Taken before the Conservative conference
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,244
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+3)
    LAB: 20% (=)
    CON: 19% (-1)
    LDM: 14% (=)
    GRN: 8% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @Moreincommon_
    , 3-6 Oct.
    Changes w/ 26-29 Sep."

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1975860740121841817

    Broken, broken Tories on the slide!
    Taken before the Conservative conference
    They had a conference?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,714

    Taz said:

    Looks like the inept JLR are about to restart producing their mediocre vehicles.

    Should they just be LR being as J no longer make any vehicles?
    Both Jaguar and the Church of England seem to both hate their own brand, and are determined to destroy it.
    Rubbish, after male sex scandals in the church a female Archbishop was long overdue and welcomed by the vast majority in the C of E I have spoken to
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,121
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    The site seems a bit tetchy, so I shall selflessly use up my picture ration with a cheering picture quiz. This one shouldn’t be too hard

    What links these three anonymous American suburban garages




    Where big tech geeks started - didn’t bezos start in his parents’ garage? California so right area.
    Whatever you do, don't GOOGLE the answer
    How about BING?
    Is that still going ?
    Yes. And if memory serves it makes a surprisingly large profit.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,880
    edited October 9
    Andy_JS said:

    How bad would the result of the Caerphilly by-election have to be for Starmer to seriously consider standing down?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Caerphilly_by-election#Previous_result

    Irrelevant for this but if he loses Wales in May 26 and performs badly elsewhere then that may well be a problem for him
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,880

    "Sunak joins Microsoft and AI firm as paid advisor"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyqe22pz81o

    I don't have much against Sunak, but he's already rich, and like so many ex-PM's and prominent politicians he seems to be after the money. Why doesn't he just write books about music hall and cricket? :)

    To be fair that is his interest and I expect he will stand down at the next election anyway
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,986
    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 32% (-3)
    LAB: 17% (-2)
    CON: 17% (+3)
    GRN: 15% (+4)
    LDM: 12% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 8 Oct
    Changes w/ 1 Oct."

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,537

    Cookie said:

    These findings fill me with incredulity.

    The sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

    Same, I had to check with YouGov that there were no typos in the posts.

    I just cannot wrap my ahead around it, my parents think their main role in life is to spend money on their grandkids, and also leave me and them a massive inheritance.
    I'm not sure it's entitlement - just a massive failure to recognise how anomalously lucky their generation is.
    My mother in law has a slightly exasperating tendency to talk to us about what we'll do when we retire, blithely expecting that we'll be able to have the same two-cruises-a-year lifestyle she has. At present my plan A is work until my 70s then off to Dignitas.
    There's a total lack of self-awareness.

    It's also the generation that did the Summer of '69 and all the self-indulgence of the 1960s, so there's a certain me me me to them anyway.
    We can take the 'generation' thing a bit too far. My dad's reaction to the 'summer of love':
    "I was too busy trying to make a living"

    I fear the stories of the swinging sixties are far more widespread than the actual experiences.
    My Dad was 25 in 1960.

    He described the Sixties to me as "a depressing time, everyone was trying to emigrate".

    When you look at the figures, he was probably right.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,099
    HYUFD said:

    Taz said:

    Looks like the inept JLR are about to restart producing their mediocre vehicles.

    Should they just be LR being as J no longer make any vehicles?
    Both Jaguar and the Church of England seem to both hate their own brand, and are determined to destroy it.
    Rubbish, after male sex scandals in the church a female Archbishop was long overdue and welcomed by the vast majority in the C of E I have spoken to
    The church is now so small, you know most of them by name?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,537
    Andy_JS said:

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 32% (-3)
    LAB: 17% (-2)
    CON: 17% (+3)
    GRN: 15% (+4)
    LDM: 12% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 8 Oct
    Changes w/ 1 Oct."

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK

    Looks like Polanski had a better conference than Badenoch.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,473
    DavidL said:

    Carnyx said:

    The Farage claims of all the teachers are indoctorinating our kids and are activists again seems very MAGA and "Online" where the likes of "Libs of TikTok" social media accounts bang on constantly about it.

    I don't have kids, but I don't get that the "reds under the beds" scare is something that is part of the UK political discussion around education. Rather behaviour, slipping standards, kids effected by COVID lockdown still not ready to learn are the things that my friends who do have kids bang on about.

    It was the sort of thing the Tories used to go on about in the 1970s IIRC. Always been there bobbing around in the stream of discourse, albeiot sometimes mostly submerged.
    Gove (or Cummings/Gove) and the blob ring any bells?
    That's not quite the same claim. Their criticism was the "blob" stopped innovation and reform and teacher didn't want to change the way they did things. Farage is claiming something different, something very US centric about the Marxists and the trans teachers are indoctrinating the kids. That is straight Libs of TikTok type stuff.
    Michael Gove did try to rewrite the history syllabus out of those concerns.
    That is a fair point to an extent, but I don't think he was directly accusing all the teachers of being activists, rather he took umbrage with the way the narrative of history was being set out by those who wrote the curriculum. Bridget Phillipson has muttered about the same from the other end of the telescope, haven't followed if she has pulled the trigger on it.

    It seems with Gove, the I know history better and what is being taught is missing a load of important stuff I like.
    Gove, like so many of us pontificating on education, was just remembering his own schooldays. He liked history and was no good at sport so was happily selling off playing fields. What I will say for Michael Gove is that he did support a liberal arts education as a good thing in itself.
    Gove takes a lot of flack on here, not least from @ydoethur, but the progress up the PISA scores shows most of what he did was right and has worked. In contrast, in Scotland, the tumbling down the rankings since the fiasco that is Curriculum for Excellence, shows things have gone seriously wrong.
    .... But it has the word 'Excellence' in the title. Surely having played that masterstroke it's a done deal?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,200
    Andy_JS said:

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 32% (-3)
    LAB: 17% (-2)
    CON: 17% (+3)
    GRN: 15% (+4)
    LDM: 12% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 8 Oct
    Changes w/ 1 Oct."

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK

    Sleazy, sleazy Labour and Reform on the slide!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,099
    Two polls in the same week, Greens at 8% or 15% - somebody is way off, there, even if they’re actually at 11%?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,714
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 32% (-3)
    LAB: 17% (-2)
    CON: 17% (+3)
    GRN: 15% (+4)
    LDM: 12% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 8 Oct
    Changes w/ 1 Oct."

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK

    Looks like Polanski had a better conference than Badenoch.
    Still a 3% swing from Reform to Conservative and some of that will have been taken before Kemi's speech. FON is the best pollster for Reform too
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,986
    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    These findings fill me with incredulity.

    The sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

    Same, I had to check with YouGov that there were no typos in the posts.

    I just cannot wrap my ahead around it, my parents think their main role in life is to spend money on their grandkids, and also leave me and them a massive inheritance.
    I'm not sure it's entitlement - just a massive failure to recognise how anomalously lucky their generation is.
    My mother in law has a slightly exasperating tendency to talk to us about what we'll do when we retire, blithely expecting that we'll be able to have the same two-cruises-a-year lifestyle she has. At present my plan A is work until my 70s then off to Dignitas.
    There's a total lack of self-awareness.

    It's also the generation that did the Summer of '69 and all the self-indulgence of the 1960s, so there's a certain me me me to them anyway.
    We can take the 'generation' thing a bit too far. My dad's reaction to the 'summer of love':
    "I was too busy trying to make a living"

    I fear the stories of the swinging sixties are far more widespread than the actual experiences.
    My Dad was 25 in 1960.

    He described the Sixties to me as "a depressing time, everyone was trying to emigrate".

    When you look at the figures, he was probably right.
    Only £10 to emigrate to Australia.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,714
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Taz said:

    Looks like the inept JLR are about to restart producing their mediocre vehicles.

    Should they just be LR being as J no longer make any vehicles?
    Both Jaguar and the Church of England seem to both hate their own brand, and are determined to destroy it.
    Rubbish, after male sex scandals in the church a female Archbishop was long overdue and welcomed by the vast majority in the C of E I have spoken to
    The church is now so small, you know most of them by name?
    The Church is still the established church for the whole of England, I was just talking of the clergy and congregation I know
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,473
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Credit where it's due and if we are to see a ceasefire in Gaza and the release of the surviving hostages this will be most welcome and if that means handing out plaudits to President Trump, so be it.

    The devil in these things is always in the detail and all we have is a ceasefire but jaw-jaw is, as someone accurately opined, better than war-war.

    Hamas remains a political if not military force and Israel will still control half of Gaza when the ceasefire comes into effect. That begs the question as to how a new political administration for Gaza will be crafted absent a Hamas involvement and whether that in itself will persuade Israel to leave Gaza completely.

    The role of Egypt in all this is interesting - I wonder what guarantees El-Sisi has sought and been given as to the future political direction of Gaza .

    My thoughts went more to Sudan (despite the shameful lack of media coverage of what's been going on there). Be an awful pity if Egypt had to 'step in' and take control of a big bit of the Nile and other resources 'for the stability of the region'.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,880
    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    These findings fill me with incredulity.

    The sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

    Same, I had to check with YouGov that there were no typos in the posts.

    I just cannot wrap my ahead around it, my parents think their main role in life is to spend money on their grandkids, and also leave me and them a massive inheritance.
    I'm not sure it's entitlement - just a massive failure to recognise how anomalously lucky their generation is.
    My mother in law has a slightly exasperating tendency to talk to us about what we'll do when we retire, blithely expecting that we'll be able to have the same two-cruises-a-year lifestyle she has. At present my plan A is work until my 70s then off to Dignitas.
    There's a total lack of self-awareness.

    It's also the generation that did the Summer of '69 and all the self-indulgence of the 1960s, so there's a certain me me me to them anyway.
    We can take the 'generation' thing a bit too far. My dad's reaction to the 'summer of love':
    "I was too busy trying to make a living"

    I fear the stories of the swinging sixties are far more widespread than the actual experiences.
    My Dad was 25 in 1960.

    He described the Sixties to me as "a depressing time, everyone was trying to emigrate".

    When you look at the figures, he was probably right.
    I was younger but the sixties were wonderful for us as we got married, bought our first new home here in Wales, had our first born and developed a successful businesses
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,537
    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    These findings fill me with incredulity.

    The sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

    Same, I had to check with YouGov that there were no typos in the posts.

    I just cannot wrap my ahead around it, my parents think their main role in life is to spend money on their grandkids, and also leave me and them a massive inheritance.
    I'm not sure it's entitlement - just a massive failure to recognise how anomalously lucky their generation is.
    My mother in law has a slightly exasperating tendency to talk to us about what we'll do when we retire, blithely expecting that we'll be able to have the same two-cruises-a-year lifestyle she has. At present my plan A is work until my 70s then off to Dignitas.
    There's a total lack of self-awareness.

    It's also the generation that did the Summer of '69 and all the self-indulgence of the 1960s, so there's a certain me me me to them anyway.
    We can take the 'generation' thing a bit too far. My dad's reaction to the 'summer of love':
    "I was too busy trying to make a living"

    I fear the stories of the swinging sixties are far more widespread than the actual experiences.
    My Dad was 25 in 1960.

    He described the Sixties to me as "a depressing time, everyone was trying to emigrate".

    When you look at the figures, he was probably right.
    Only £10 to emigrate to Australia.
    My folks were planning Vancouver.

    My mum failed the TB chest X-ray, and needed years of treatment. After that was done the moment was gone, otherwise I would be a Cannuck. We did go to the USA for 5 years though, and had a pretty good time.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,473
    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    These findings fill me with incredulity.

    The sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

    Same, I had to check with YouGov that there were no typos in the posts.

    I just cannot wrap my ahead around it, my parents think their main role in life is to spend money on their grandkids, and also leave me and them a massive inheritance.
    I'm not sure it's entitlement - just a massive failure to recognise how anomalously lucky their generation is.
    My mother in law has a slightly exasperating tendency to talk to us about what we'll do when we retire, blithely expecting that we'll be able to have the same two-cruises-a-year lifestyle she has. At present my plan A is work until my 70s then off to Dignitas.
    There's a total lack of self-awareness.

    It's also the generation that did the Summer of '69 and all the self-indulgence of the 1960s, so there's a certain me me me to them anyway.
    We can take the 'generation' thing a bit too far. My dad's reaction to the 'summer of love':
    "I was too busy trying to make a living"

    I fear the stories of the swinging sixties are far more widespread than the actual experiences.
    My Dad was 25 in 1960.

    He described the Sixties to me as "a depressing time, everyone was trying to emigrate".

    When you look at the figures, he was probably right.
    I think the only time I remember my parents getting proper angry was when I - as a young lad - referred to the swinging sixties, people partying, everyone having a lovely time.

    It didn't seem to quite chime with their memories of the same era. Thank goodness the media is now far less middle-class and London-centric.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,512
    edited October 9

    When Labour announced VAT on private school fees, they promised it would raise £1.7 billion for state schools.

    With 25,000 pupils already forced out, eight times more than predicted, the policy is on track to cost taxpayers money rather than raise it. A thread....

    https://x.com/strickia/status/1976294556770423119

    Point 3 of that thread sounds like rubbish.

    It has included the VAT that people leaving private school would have paid as part of the costs of imposing VAT on private schools. That's completely irrelevant as they would have never earned that VAT without imposing it...

    25,000 x £8.2k is £205m annually. Not £300m. Based on their own figures.

    At no point do they actually make the numbers add up to suggest it costs more than it raises. They just wave their hands on the matter after spouting nonsense to start with.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,234
    Andy_JS said:

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 32% (-3)
    LAB: 17% (-2)
    CON: 17% (+3)
    GRN: 15% (+4)
    LDM: 12% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 8 Oct
    Changes w/ 1 Oct."

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK

    LOL. Imagine if the Greens start polling above LAB and CON.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,498
    If Hamas disarms, and if the IDF withdraws from most of Gaza, who is responsible for ensuring public order in Gaza?

    And with which army?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,415

    If Hamas disarms, and if the IDF withdraws from most of Gaza, who is responsible for ensuring public order in Gaza?

    And with which army?

    Tony Blair.
  • dunhamdunham Posts: 31

    Andy_JS said:

    How bad would the result of the Caerphilly by-election have to be for Starmer to seriously consider standing down?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Caerphilly_by-election#Previous_result

    Irrelevant for this but if he loses Wales in May 26 and performs badly elsewhere then that may well be a problem for him
    The Caerphilly by-election appears to be a 2 horse race between PC and Reform, with Reform having the edge in the betting markets. Its main significance is as a pointer to the outcome of the Senedd election in May 2026. PC and Reform have radically different visions, so this is of major importance for the future development of Wales as a country.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,102

    Cookie said:

    These findings fill me with incredulity.

    The sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

    Same, I had to check with YouGov that there were no typos in the posts.

    I just cannot wrap my ahead around it, my parents think their main role in life is to spend money on their grandkids, and also leave me and them a massive inheritance.
    I'm not sure it's entitlement - just a massive failure to recognise how anomalously lucky their generation is.
    My mother in law has a slightly exasperating tendency to talk to us about what we'll do when we retire, blithely expecting that we'll be able to have the same two-cruises-a-year lifestyle she has. At present my plan A is work until my 70s then off to Dignitas.
    There's a total lack of self-awareness.

    It's also the generation that did the Summer of '69 and all the self-indulgence of the 1960s, so there's a certain me me me to them anyway.
    We can take the 'generation' thing a bit too far. My dad's reaction to the 'summer of love':
    "I was too busy trying to make a living"

    I fear the stories of the swinging sixties are far more widespread than the actual experiences.
    I didn't do any of that myself, nor did anyone I actually knew. It was all on the television.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,504

    If Hamas disarms, and if the IDF withdraws from most of Gaza, who is responsible for ensuring public order in Gaza?

    And with which army?

    Tony Blair.
    Tom Clancy suggested the Vatican Guards in one of his books as Middle East peace keepers
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,482
    @dannyctkemp

    On Trump’s desk in the Oval Office today was a plan for a triumphal arch on the other side of the river from the Lincoln Memorial

    https://x.com/dannyctkemp/status/1976380882253668681
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,262
    AnneJGP said:

    Cookie said:

    These findings fill me with incredulity.

    The sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

    Same, I had to check with YouGov that there were no typos in the posts.

    I just cannot wrap my ahead around it, my parents think their main role in life is to spend money on their grandkids, and also leave me and them a massive inheritance.
    I'm not sure it's entitlement - just a massive failure to recognise how anomalously lucky their generation is.
    My mother in law has a slightly exasperating tendency to talk to us about what we'll do when we retire, blithely expecting that we'll be able to have the same two-cruises-a-year lifestyle she has. At present my plan A is work until my 70s then off to Dignitas.
    There's a total lack of self-awareness.

    It's also the generation that did the Summer of '69 and all the self-indulgence of the 1960s, so there's a certain me me me to them anyway.
    We can take the 'generation' thing a bit too far. My dad's reaction to the 'summer of love':
    "I was too busy trying to make a living"

    I fear the stories of the swinging sixties are far more widespread than the actual experiences.
    I didn't do any of that myself, nor did anyone I actually knew. It was all on the television.
    My Dad was aged 13 to 23 in the sixties. He makes it sound idyllic. He was a young man who liked walking, climbing, fishing and folk music. The world was full of possibilities and felt fuller of possibilities for curious young souls than it ever had before. This all happened a long way from London. Not exactly swinging Cheshire, but a Cheshire in which the world was opening up.
    He reckons he went to the famous Bob Dylan 'Judas' gig at the Free Trade Hall, but doesn't remember the incident for which it was famous.
    He did actually get to London at the end of the decade. But it wasn't just London. If you were young, the world was at your feet. I guess that's the way the world has always felt for boomers.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,880
    dunham said:

    Andy_JS said:

    How bad would the result of the Caerphilly by-election have to be for Starmer to seriously consider standing down?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Caerphilly_by-election#Previous_result

    Irrelevant for this but if he loses Wales in May 26 and performs badly elsewhere then that may well be a problem for him
    The Caerphilly by-election appears to be a 2 horse race between PC and Reform, with Reform having the edge in the betting markets. Its main significance is as a pointer to the outcome of the Senedd election in May 2026. PC and Reform have radically different visions, so this is of major importance for the future development of Wales as a country.
    You do know I live in Wales and the desire to end Labour's years in office is such that the trajectory post the Caerphilly by-election election will not be a surprise to any of us who have had Labour in power since devolution and the winners will be Plaid and Reform in May 26
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,880
    Cookie said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Cookie said:

    These findings fill me with incredulity.

    The sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

    Same, I had to check with YouGov that there were no typos in the posts.

    I just cannot wrap my ahead around it, my parents think their main role in life is to spend money on their grandkids, and also leave me and them a massive inheritance.
    I'm not sure it's entitlement - just a massive failure to recognise how anomalously lucky their generation is.
    My mother in law has a slightly exasperating tendency to talk to us about what we'll do when we retire, blithely expecting that we'll be able to have the same two-cruises-a-year lifestyle she has. At present my plan A is work until my 70s then off to Dignitas.
    There's a total lack of self-awareness.

    It's also the generation that did the Summer of '69 and all the self-indulgence of the 1960s, so there's a certain me me me to them anyway.
    We can take the 'generation' thing a bit too far. My dad's reaction to the 'summer of love':
    "I was too busy trying to make a living"

    I fear the stories of the swinging sixties are far more widespread than the actual experiences.
    I didn't do any of that myself, nor did anyone I actually knew. It was all on the television.
    My Dad was aged 13 to 23 in the sixties. He makes it sound idyllic. He was a young man who liked walking, climbing, fishing and folk music. The world was full of possibilities and felt fuller of possibilities for curious young souls than it ever had before. This all happened a long way from London. Not exactly swinging Cheshire, but a Cheshire in which the world was opening up.
    He reckons he went to the famous Bob Dylan 'Judas' gig at the Free Trade Hall, but doesn't remember the incident for which it was famous.
    He did actually get to London at the end of the decade. But it wasn't just London. If you were young, the world was at your feet. I guess that's the way the world has always felt for boomers.
    It was
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,287

    Rishi Sunak has been appointed as a senior adviser by the US technology companies Microsoft and Anthropic.

    The former British prime minister’s pair of new jobs emerged on Thursday in letters published by Westminster’s office of the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments (Acoba). They add to his roles as a senior adviser to Goldman Sachs International, the investment bank, and speechmaker to investment firms including Bain Capital and Makena Capital in the US, which have netted him over £150,000 a talk.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/09/rishi-sunak-takes-advisory-roles-with-microsoft-and-ai-firm-anthropic

    Memo to Kemi Badenoch – don't bother with the ‘12 jobs’ attack line against Farage.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,244
    A man arrested on suspicion of terrorism offences following the Manchester synagogue attack has been re-arrested at the city's airport.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,880

    Rishi Sunak has been appointed as a senior adviser by the US technology companies Microsoft and Anthropic.

    The former British prime minister’s pair of new jobs emerged on Thursday in letters published by Westminster’s office of the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments (Acoba). They add to his roles as a senior adviser to Goldman Sachs International, the investment bank, and speechmaker to investment firms including Bain Capital and Makena Capital in the US, which have netted him over £150,000 a talk.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/09/rishi-sunak-takes-advisory-roles-with-microsoft-and-ai-firm-anthropic

    Memo to Kemi Badenoch – don't bother with the ‘12 jobs’ attack line against Farage.
    Better ignore Farage and continue making the case for the conservatives as she did yesterday
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,415
    Scott_xP said:

    @dannyctkemp

    On Trump’s desk in the Oval Office today was a plan for a triumphal arch on the other side of the river from the Lincoln Memorial

    https://x.com/dannyctkemp/status/1976380882253668681

    What's it going to celebrate as a triumph?

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,200
    ohnotnow said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    These findings fill me with incredulity.

    The sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

    Same, I had to check with YouGov that there were no typos in the posts.

    I just cannot wrap my ahead around it, my parents think their main role in life is to spend money on their grandkids, and also leave me and them a massive inheritance.
    I'm not sure it's entitlement - just a massive failure to recognise how anomalously lucky their generation is.
    My mother in law has a slightly exasperating tendency to talk to us about what we'll do when we retire, blithely expecting that we'll be able to have the same two-cruises-a-year lifestyle she has. At present my plan A is work until my 70s then off to Dignitas.
    There's a total lack of self-awareness.

    It's also the generation that did the Summer of '69 and all the self-indulgence of the 1960s, so there's a certain me me me to them anyway.
    We can take the 'generation' thing a bit too far. My dad's reaction to the 'summer of love':
    "I was too busy trying to make a living"

    I fear the stories of the swinging sixties are far more widespread than the actual experiences.
    My Dad was 25 in 1960.

    He described the Sixties to me as "a depressing time, everyone was trying to emigrate".

    When you look at the figures, he was probably right.
    I think the only time I remember my parents getting proper angry was when I - as a young lad - referred to the swinging sixties, people partying, everyone having a lovely time.

    It didn't seem to quite chime with their memories of the same era. Thank goodness the media is now far less middle-class and London-centric.
    Beeching Cuts.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,487
    Fkn hell, twilight robbery at Hampden.
    For once the football boot is on the other foot and it fits.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,859

    Scott_xP said:

    @dannyctkemp

    On Trump’s desk in the Oval Office today was a plan for a triumphal arch on the other side of the river from the Lincoln Memorial

    https://x.com/dannyctkemp/status/1976380882253668681

    What's it going to celebrate as a triumph?

    The Will?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,482

    Scott_xP said:

    @dannyctkemp

    On Trump’s desk in the Oval Office today was a plan for a triumphal arch on the other side of the river from the Lincoln Memorial

    https://x.com/dannyctkemp/status/1976380882253668681

    What's it going to celebrate as a triumph?

    His 3rd term
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,202

    Fkn hell, twilight robbery at Hampden.
    For once the football boot is on the other foot and it fits.

    I watched the first half and then turned over for Taskmaster and live updates on the BBC website. Wrong choice.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,786
    Carnyx said:
    He’s not wrong. My children’s school had this woman in to ‘decolonise the curriculum’ and ‘audit’ the teachers and library. I met with her and she was 100% up for trashing England

    https://youtu.be/-X-taPvKWbY?si=F3r4prhWdhHS2nOS
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,863
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    These findings fill me with incredulity.

    The sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

    Same, I had to check with YouGov that there were no typos in the posts.

    I just cannot wrap my ahead around it, my parents think their main role in life is to spend money on their grandkids, and also leave me and them a massive inheritance.
    I'm not sure it's entitlement - just a massive failure to recognise how anomalously lucky their generation is.
    My mother in law has a slightly exasperating tendency to talk to us about what we'll do when we retire, blithely expecting that we'll be able to have the same two-cruises-a-year lifestyle she has. At present my plan A is work until my 70s then off to Dignitas.
    There's a total lack of self-awareness.

    It's also the generation that did the Summer of '69 and all the self-indulgence of the 1960s, so there's a certain me me me to them anyway.
    We can take the 'generation' thing a bit too far. My dad's reaction to the 'summer of love':
    "I was too busy trying to make a living"

    I fear the stories of the swinging sixties are far more widespread than the actual experiences.
    My Dad was 25 in 1960.

    He described the Sixties to me as "a depressing time, everyone was trying to emigrate".

    When you look at the figures, he was probably right.
    Only £10 to emigrate to Australia.
    My folks were planning Vancouver.

    My mum failed the TB chest X-ray, and needed years of treatment. After that was done the moment was gone, otherwise I would be a Cannuck. We did go to the USA for 5 years though, and had a pretty good time.
    My parents nearly emigrated to NZ in the mid 1950s but my granny would have been left on her own, and those were the days before cheap flights. So I missed out on being a compatriot of certain PBers.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,415
    Laura Beveridge

    @LauraBeveridge7
    ·
    2h
    Zarah Sultana to Your Party rally tonight: “It has been regrettable and for my part, I’m truly sorry” over membership debacle

    https://x.com/LauraBeveridge7/status/1976355466449179040
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,863
    Cookie said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Cookie said:

    These findings fill me with incredulity.

    The sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

    Same, I had to check with YouGov that there were no typos in the posts.

    I just cannot wrap my ahead around it, my parents think their main role in life is to spend money on their grandkids, and also leave me and them a massive inheritance.
    I'm not sure it's entitlement - just a massive failure to recognise how anomalously lucky their generation is.
    My mother in law has a slightly exasperating tendency to talk to us about what we'll do when we retire, blithely expecting that we'll be able to have the same two-cruises-a-year lifestyle she has. At present my plan A is work until my 70s then off to Dignitas.
    There's a total lack of self-awareness.

    It's also the generation that did the Summer of '69 and all the self-indulgence of the 1960s, so there's a certain me me me to them anyway.
    We can take the 'generation' thing a bit too far. My dad's reaction to the 'summer of love':
    "I was too busy trying to make a living"

    I fear the stories of the swinging sixties are far more widespread than the actual experiences.
    I didn't do any of that myself, nor did anyone I actually knew. It was all on the television.
    My Dad was aged 13 to 23 in the sixties. He makes it sound idyllic. He was a young man who liked walking, climbing, fishing and folk music. The world was full of possibilities and felt fuller of possibilities for curious young souls than it ever had before. This all happened a long way from London. Not exactly swinging Cheshire, but a Cheshire in which the world was opening up.
    He reckons he went to the famous Bob Dylan 'Judas' gig at the Free Trade Hall, but doesn't remember the incident for which it was famous.
    He did actually get to London at the end of the decade. But it wasn't just London. If you were young, the world was at your feet. I guess that's the way the world has always felt for boomers.
    I remember the early 1970s. The stench of fruistrated male hormones in the school changing room at having missed 1968 and the Summer of Love.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,863

    ohnotnow said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    These findings fill me with incredulity.

    The sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

    Same, I had to check with YouGov that there were no typos in the posts.

    I just cannot wrap my ahead around it, my parents think their main role in life is to spend money on their grandkids, and also leave me and them a massive inheritance.
    I'm not sure it's entitlement - just a massive failure to recognise how anomalously lucky their generation is.
    My mother in law has a slightly exasperating tendency to talk to us about what we'll do when we retire, blithely expecting that we'll be able to have the same two-cruises-a-year lifestyle she has. At present my plan A is work until my 70s then off to Dignitas.
    There's a total lack of self-awareness.

    It's also the generation that did the Summer of '69 and all the self-indulgence of the 1960s, so there's a certain me me me to them anyway.
    We can take the 'generation' thing a bit too far. My dad's reaction to the 'summer of love':
    "I was too busy trying to make a living"

    I fear the stories of the swinging sixties are far more widespread than the actual experiences.
    My Dad was 25 in 1960.

    He described the Sixties to me as "a depressing time, everyone was trying to emigrate".

    When you look at the figures, he was probably right.
    I think the only time I remember my parents getting proper angry was when I - as a young lad - referred to the swinging sixties, people partying, everyone having a lovely time.

    It didn't seem to quite chime with their memories of the same era. Thank goodness the media is now far less middle-class and London-centric.
    Beeching Cuts.
    Sucj a strange era - old waggonways, even plateways in places like Shropshire, and steam locos from the Victorian era, at the same time as V-bombers and Deltic diesels.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,415
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @dannyctkemp

    On Trump’s desk in the Oval Office today was a plan for a triumphal arch on the other side of the river from the Lincoln Memorial

    https://x.com/dannyctkemp/status/1976380882253668681

    What's it going to celebrate as a triumph?

    His 3rd term
    Don't you mean Reich?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,863

    Fkn hell, twilight robbery at Hampden.
    For once the football boot is on the other foot and it fits.

    I watched the first half and then turned over for Taskmaster and live updates on the BBC website. Wrong choice.
    Some great lines on the BBC commentary.

    'Scotland's World Cup dream remains alive after 70 minutes of the most abject football you'll ever see.'

    'One of the most spectacular acts of pickpocketry you could see.'

    'Greece will be absolutely spewing.'
    Was that BBC Shortbread or the commentators bussed in from London?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,415
    Judges from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit seemed poised on Thursday to clear the way for President Trump to deploy National Guard troops to Portland, Ore., and pause a lower-court ruling that found that Mr. Trump had probably exceeded his authority by declaring a “rebellion” where there was none.

    NY Times blog
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,487
    Carnyx said:

    Fkn hell, twilight robbery at Hampden.
    For once the football boot is on the other foot and it fits.

    I watched the first half and then turned over for Taskmaster and live updates on the BBC website. Wrong choice.
    Some great lines on the BBC commentary.

    'Scotland's World Cup dream remains alive after 70 minutes of the most abject football you'll ever see.'

    'One of the most spectacular acts of pickpocketry you could see.'

    'Greece will be absolutely spewing.'
    Was that BBC Shortbread or the commentators bussed in from London?
    Tbf it was the local lads, some of whom may be quite fond of Scotland and want the football team to do well.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,926

    Judges from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit seemed poised on Thursday to clear the way for President Trump to deploy National Guard troops to Portland, Ore., and pause a lower-court ruling that found that Mr. Trump had probably exceeded his authority by declaring a “rebellion” where there was none.

    NY Times blog

    I’m passing through Portland in about 3 days. Great timing
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,415
    Leon said:

    Judges from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit seemed poised on Thursday to clear the way for President Trump to deploy National Guard troops to Portland, Ore., and pause a lower-court ruling that found that Mr. Trump had probably exceeded his authority by declaring a “rebellion” where there was none.

    NY Times blog

    I’m passing through Portland in about 3 days. Great timing
    We want an on-the-spot PB report!!!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,555

    Fkn hell, twilight robbery at Hampden.
    For once the football boot is on the other foot and it fits.

    A totally embarrassing scoreline. At least it would be if we had not been on the other end so many times over the years.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,890

    Judges from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit seemed poised on Thursday to clear the way for President Trump to deploy National Guard troops to Portland, Ore., and pause a lower-court ruling that found that Mr. Trump had probably exceeded his authority by declaring a “rebellion” where there was none.

    NY Times blog

    You know, I'm beginning to think that Biden should have attempted to post troops to Republican areas, so the Supreme Court could have squashed it, and therefore (hopefully) Trump would have been stymied.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,035
    Zack finally gets to appear on QT

    Don't really like the programme but have a feeling the 1 vs 5 that is about to be aired will be very beneficial for us ( Greens)

    On other developments good to see ZS and JC appear together for your party. A successful electoral pact could be the biggest threat to Farage in GE 2029 and the death knell for red and blue Tories.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,504
    Carnyx said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    These findings fill me with incredulity.

    The sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

    Same, I had to check with YouGov that there were no typos in the posts.

    I just cannot wrap my ahead around it, my parents think their main role in life is to spend money on their grandkids, and also leave me and them a massive inheritance.
    I'm not sure it's entitlement - just a massive failure to recognise how anomalously lucky their generation is.
    My mother in law has a slightly exasperating tendency to talk to us about what we'll do when we retire, blithely expecting that we'll be able to have the same two-cruises-a-year lifestyle she has. At present my plan A is work until my 70s then off to Dignitas.
    There's a total lack of self-awareness.

    It's also the generation that did the Summer of '69 and all the self-indulgence of the 1960s, so there's a certain me me me to them anyway.
    We can take the 'generation' thing a bit too far. My dad's reaction to the 'summer of love':
    "I was too busy trying to make a living"

    I fear the stories of the swinging sixties are far more widespread than the actual experiences.
    My Dad was 25 in 1960.

    He described the Sixties to me as "a depressing time, everyone was trying to emigrate".

    When you look at the figures, he was probably right.
    I think the only time I remember my parents getting proper angry was when I - as a young lad - referred to the swinging sixties, people partying, everyone having a lovely time.

    It didn't seem to quite chime with their memories of the same era. Thank goodness the media is now far less middle-class and London-centric.
    Beeching Cuts.
    Sucj a strange era - old waggonways, even plateways in places like Shropshire, and steam locos from the Victorian era, at the same time as V-bombers and Deltic diesels.
    The 60s - https://youtu.be/2G-BNvZvz8I?si=-R_C-MXLeA8Q7yWq
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,482
    @timdickinson.bsky.social‬

    My Very Dear Ones,

    I write to you from near the front lines of war ravaged Portland.

    https://bsky.app/profile/timdickinson.bsky.social/post/3m2nfhpkmwk2z
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,827
    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Cookie said:

    These findings fill me with incredulity.

    The sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

    Same, I had to check with YouGov that there were no typos in the posts.

    I just cannot wrap my ahead around it, my parents think their main role in life is to spend money on their grandkids, and also leave me and them a massive inheritance.
    I'm not sure it's entitlement - just a massive failure to recognise how anomalously lucky their generation is.
    My mother in law has a slightly exasperating tendency to talk to us about what we'll do when we retire, blithely expecting that we'll be able to have the same two-cruises-a-year lifestyle she has. At present my plan A is work until my 70s then off to Dignitas.
    There's a total lack of self-awareness.

    It's also the generation that did the Summer of '69 and all the self-indulgence of the 1960s, so there's a certain me me me to them anyway.
    We can take the 'generation' thing a bit too far. My dad's reaction to the 'summer of love':
    "I was too busy trying to make a living"

    I fear the stories of the swinging sixties are far more widespread than the actual experiences.
    I didn't do any of that myself, nor did anyone I actually knew. It was all on the television.
    My Dad was aged 13 to 23 in the sixties. He makes it sound idyllic. He was a young man who liked walking, climbing, fishing and folk music. The world was full of possibilities and felt fuller of possibilities for curious young souls than it ever had before. This all happened a long way from London. Not exactly swinging Cheshire, but a Cheshire in which the world was opening up.
    He reckons he went to the famous Bob Dylan 'Judas' gig at the Free Trade Hall, but doesn't remember the incident for which it was famous.
    He did actually get to London at the end of the decade. But it wasn't just London. If you were young, the world was at your feet. I guess that's the way the world has always felt for boomers.
    I remember the early 1970s. The stench of fruistrated male hormones in the school changing room at having missed 1968 and the Summer of Love.
    The sixties were rubbish. I hadn’t yet met Mrs. F. (I don’t think she reads PB but you can’t be too sure.)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,926
    I want a fucking Waymo but they’re all sold out. I am now addicted to waymos. Have to put up with a stupid human
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,482
    Leon said:

    I want a fucking Waymo but they’re all sold out. I am now addicted to waymos. Have to put up with a stupid human

    Is that what your driver said?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,244
    Leon said:

    Judges from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit seemed poised on Thursday to clear the way for President Trump to deploy National Guard troops to Portland, Ore., and pause a lower-court ruling that found that Mr. Trump had probably exceeded his authority by declaring a “rebellion” where there was none.

    NY Times blog

    I’m passing through Portland in about 3 days. Great timing
    Voodoo Doughnut.....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,926
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I want a fucking Waymo but they’re all sold out. I am now addicted to waymos. Have to put up with a stupid human

    Is that what your driver said?
    No he’s mainly sobbing as he sees his job go up in flames

    Waymos are simply superior to the human version. They will conquer
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,415
    rcs1000 said:

    Judges from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit seemed poised on Thursday to clear the way for President Trump to deploy National Guard troops to Portland, Ore., and pause a lower-court ruling that found that Mr. Trump had probably exceeded his authority by declaring a “rebellion” where there was none.

    NY Times blog

    You know, I'm beginning to think that Biden should have attempted to post troops to Republican areas, so the Supreme Court could have squashed it, and therefore (hopefully) Trump would have been stymied.
    Maybe. But I suspect the Trump justices would just say 'well it's different when Dear Leader does it because of X' where X is some until now unheard of archaic nonsense from the days of the drafting of the constitution.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,863
    edited October 9
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I want a fucking Waymo but they’re all sold out. I am now addicted to waymos. Have to put up with a stupid human

    Is that what your driver said?
    No he’s mainly sobbing as he sees his job go up in flames

    Waymos are simply superior to the human version. They will conquer
    But can it clean out the puke and worse?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,482
    @lrozen

    Per a source: “This morning, every DOD employee was instructed to certify, in writing, they they have watched Hegseth’s speech” from last week’s Quantico meeting.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,202
    Scott_xP said:

    @timdickinson.bsky.social‬

    My Very Dear Ones,

    I write to you from near the front lines of war ravaged Portland.

    https://bsky.app/profile/timdickinson.bsky.social/post/3m2nfhpkmwk2z

    The stretched twig of peace is at melting point. People here are literally bursting with war. This is very much a country that's gonna blow up in its face.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,926
    If literally everything becomes automated what will happen to American tipping culture? I bet they find a way to perpetuate it

    “Why am I tipping a machine?”

    “Because someone invented the machine”

    “He’s dead”

    “Yeah but someone has to look after his grave”
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,498
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I want a fucking Waymo but they’re all sold out. I am now addicted to waymos. Have to put up with a stupid human

    Is that what your driver said?
    No he’s mainly sobbing as he sees his job go up in flames

    Waymos are simply superior to the human version. They will conquer
    But can it clean out the puke and worse?
    I'd guess a lot of drivers will use a professional service to clean out their cars instead of doing it themselves, so no difference there.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,349
    edited October 9

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @dannyctkemp

    On Trump’s desk in the Oval Office today was a plan for a triumphal arch on the other side of the river from the Lincoln Memorial

    https://x.com/dannyctkemp/status/1976380882253668681

    What's it going to celebrate as a triumph?

    His 3rd term
    Don't you mean Reich?
    Has America had 2 Reichs yet? It was the 3rd because the Holy Roman Empire and the (Prussian)Empire of Germany came first
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,244
    Leon said:

    If literally everything becomes automated what will happen to American tipping culture? I bet they find a way to perpetuate it

    “Why am I tipping a machine?”

    “Because someone invented the machine”

    “He’s dead”

    “Yeah but someone has to look after his grave”

    Last time Mrs U was in the US, she got presented with a tipping option at the self check out at an airport shop that had no staff.....
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,202
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I want a fucking Waymo but they’re all sold out. I am now addicted to waymos. Have to put up with a stupid human

    Is that what your driver said?
    No he’s mainly sobbing as he sees his job go up in flames

    Waymos are simply superior to the human version. They will conquer
    Would be a different direction for the new Terminator film.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,859

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I want a fucking Waymo but they’re all sold out. I am now addicted to waymos. Have to put up with a stupid human

    Is that what your driver said?
    No he’s mainly sobbing as he sees his job go up in flames

    Waymos are simply superior to the human version. They will conquer
    Would be a different direction for the new Terminator film.
    Like the Daleks, you’d be safe on the first floor…
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,498

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @dannyctkemp

    On Trump’s desk in the Oval Office today was a plan for a triumphal arch on the other side of the river from the Lincoln Memorial

    https://x.com/dannyctkemp/status/1976380882253668681

    What's it going to celebrate as a triumph?

    His 3rd term
    Don't you mean Reich?
    Has America had 2 Reichs yet? It was the 3rd because the Holy Roman Empire and the (Prussian)Empire of Germany came first
    They're still on the First Republic. I think the French are on their Fifth, and they gave the Americans a 17-year head start.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,202
    Foss said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I want a fucking Waymo but they’re all sold out. I am now addicted to waymos. Have to put up with a stupid human

    Is that what your driver said?
    No he’s mainly sobbing as he sees his job go up in flames

    Waymos are simply superior to the human version. They will conquer
    Would be a different direction for the new Terminator film.
    Like the Daleks, you’d be safe on the first floor…
    "Oh no! We must traverse this bombed out multi-story car park!"
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,585

    Zack finally gets to appear on QT

    Don't really like the programme but have a feeling the 1 vs 5 that is about to be aired will be very beneficial for us ( Greens)

    On other developments good to see ZS and JC appear together for your party. A successful electoral pact could be the biggest threat to Farage in GE 2029 and the death knell for red and blue Tories.

    The so-called Greens and Sultanarama are two cheeks of the same arse.

    What will they do when there is no war in Gaza to pretend to be bothered about?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,546
    I had no idea Waymos could do that. I'll have to watch Barbarella again, I guess.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,349

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @dannyctkemp

    On Trump’s desk in the Oval Office today was a plan for a triumphal arch on the other side of the river from the Lincoln Memorial

    https://x.com/dannyctkemp/status/1976380882253668681

    What's it going to celebrate as a triumph?

    His 3rd term
    Don't you mean Reich?
    Has America had 2 Reichs yet? It was the 3rd because the Holy Roman Empire and the (Prussian)Empire of Germany came first
    They're still on the First Republic. I think the French are on their Fifth, and they gave the Americans a 17-year head start.
    I think they're about to move into their Principate
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,482
    @thedailyshow.com‬

    The following is REAL footage from Portland, 2025. Viewer discretion is advised.

    https://bsky.app/profile/thedailyshow.com/post/3m2rydytfmc2j
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,990
    Of course.

    I've been wondering why Dominion Voting Systems suddenly reached settlements with Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, and One America News.

    Turns out, it's been purchased by a Republican-owned election tech firm that insisted on it, per Axios.

    https://x.com/JayShams/status/1976357831038337214
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,986
    Just watched the first episode of the Traitors from yesterday. Great fun.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,990
    The woman that ICE shot several times.
    For no reason.

    So, she carried a gun, the legal way.

    "Officials had initially alleged that Martinez was armed and rammed her car into federal agents, threatening to shoot officers. However, prosecutors now acknowledge that she did not point or display a weapon. Parente also confirmed that while she had a valid firearm, she also had a concealed-carry license."

    https://x.com/AdamKinzinger/status/1976317960818970860
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,986
    Leon said:

    If literally everything becomes automated what will happen to American tipping culture? I bet they find a way to perpetuate it

    “Why am I tipping a machine?”

    “Because someone invented the machine”

    “He’s dead”

    “Yeah but someone has to look after his grave”

    And yet even Americans don't tip either airline pilots or airline stewarts/stewardesses. (Sorry for not using whatever the new terms are for those jobs).
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,498
    I'm surprised the story about Johnson not swearing-in the Democrat elected to the House on September 23rd hasn't been mentioned on here more often - apparently to prevent a vote on the release of the Epstein Files being forced.

    The Republican defiance of democracy becomes ever more blatant.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,487

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I want a fucking Waymo but they’re all sold out. I am now addicted to waymos. Have to put up with a stupid human

    Is that what your driver said?
    No he’s mainly sobbing as he sees his job go up in flames

    Waymos are simply superior to the human version. They will conquer
    But can it clean out the puke and worse?
    I'd guess a lot of drivers will use a professional service to clean out their cars instead of doing it themselves, so no difference there.
    ‘Young folk, have you considered an exciting career in cleaning out the puke from automated taxis?’
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,415
    Nigelb said:

    Of course.

    I've been wondering why Dominion Voting Systems suddenly reached settlements with Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, and One America News.

    Turns out, it's been purchased by a Republican-owned election tech firm that insisted on it, per Axios.

    https://x.com/JayShams/status/1976357831038337214

    GOP now owns the voting machines?

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