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Kemi quits of her own volition ? – politicalbetting.com

The Times have the story about how some Tory MPs including those in the shadow cabinet are looking to oust Kemi Badenoch as soon as next month, Robert Jenrick wants to wait until after next year’s elections.

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  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,933
    First
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,692
    Should have laid her at 3-1 to make the next GE when there was the chance... Doh!
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,933
    At the end of the day does it matter? The next election is decided.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,498
    I do feel rather sorry for Badenoch.

    It's not her fault that her party is dying. No one can resuscitate a corpse.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,054
    Re. steel. Oh look, consequences.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,434
    DougSeal said:

    At the end of the day does it matter? The next election is decided.

    It very much isn’t. There’s a long way to go.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,268
    Re Steel: there are some winners in all this. Countries that rely on imports for all their steel and don’t produce their own. They are seeing a big deflation bonus.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,549
    Foxy said:

    I do feel rather sorry for Badenoch.

    It's not her fault that her party is dying. No one can resuscitate a corpse.

    Dr Frankenstein has asked me to object to your statement on his behalf.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,760
    edited 7:37AM
    Foxy said:

    I do feel rather sorry for Badenoch.

    It's not her fault that her party is dying. No one can resuscitate a corpse.

    Rufus the Cat says Meow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5TDpDntagY
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,268
    Re: English fizz. I was at a French embassy event last week. They cheekily hinted they would be doing a Champagne vs English sparkling taste off. We were all given 2 glasses, with one clearly superior to the other. We were asked to guess where they were from.

    Then when the results came out: surprise! They were both French.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,054
    TimS said:

    Re: English fizz. I was at a French embassy event last week. They cheekily hinted they would be doing a Champagne vs English sparkling taste off. We were all given 2 glasses, with one clearly superior to the other. We were asked to guess where they were from.

    Then when the results came out: surprise! They were both French.

    Bantz
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,911
    Foxy said:

    I do feel rather sorry for Badenoch.

    It's not her fault that her party is dying. No one can resuscitate a corpse.

    It wasn't quite dead and Jenrick gave it the kiss of life yesterday.

    The most effective electoral machine in history is back from the brink. Unfortunately as a racist un-British party of the extreme right.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,162
    edited 7:40AM
    TimS said:

    Re: English fizz. I was at a French embassy event last week. They cheekily hinted they would be doing a Champagne vs English sparkling taste off. We were all given 2 glasses, with one clearly superior to the other. We were asked to guess where they were from.

    Then when the results came out: surprise! They were both French.

    The French are a duplicitous people.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,842
    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,408
    Morning all :)

    It's often the case at party conferences and such gatherings you see the activists for the extreme radicals some are. It's true for all parties the activists will often go further than both the more generally pragmatic leadership and the voter base.

    Not always true though - in overtly populist parties, the voter base can also be infected by this radical "madness". I have Reform supporting friends whose "solutions" to the problem of the "boats" would be even more extreme than some of the ideas I've seen on here but they see their solutions as "the only answer" from their apparently migrant-infested (their words) towns where the white British population has slumped to 96%.

    The problem is radical "influencers" on social media and the Internet can say inflammatory, contradictory, misleading and downright wrong things and some accept them as gospel. We live in a plural democracy and we should hear as many voices as possible (not that we do currently as some voices are louder and more persistent than others) but it is incumbent on political leaders to keep the conversation within not just legal and moral boundaries but factual ones.

    Influencers, provovateurs, sh1tposters, call them what you like, they have been part of the political process for centuries but only rarely have they actually become the legal currency of political discourse.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,268
    edited 7:41AM
    bondegezou said:

    DougSeal said:

    At the end of the day does it matter? The next election is decided.

    It very much isn’t. There’s a long way to go.
    It’s possibly the least predictable election ever. We could see anything from Reform majority to ConRef coalition to Lab majority, Lib-Lab pact, Reform minority, rainbow anti Reform coalition. Who knows. I don’t think even Con largest party is impossible.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,408
    DougSeal said:

    At the end of the day does it matter? The next election is decided.

    Really? On what basis have you concluded that and have you bet accordingly?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,834
    edited 7:41AM
    She's brighter than Truss, and less ruthless than Jenrick.

    I don't think she's found the answers for them, though.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,917
    bondegezou said:

    DougSeal said:

    At the end of the day does it matter? The next election is decided.

    It very much isn’t. There’s a long way to go.
    True, but we can assume that the Tories will only be fighting to retain loyal opposition status.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,335
    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,054
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    It’s no American cheddar
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,162
    edited 7:47AM
    🚨 Australia captain Pat Cummins will miss the opening Ashes Test against England in Perth in late November, multiple local media outlets reported on Wednesday.

    Pat Cummins to miss first Ashes Test in hammer blow for Australia

    Fast bowler will not have recovered in time from back injury for match in Perth and is still a doubt for the rest of the series

    https://x.com/TeleCricket/status/1975826317011489181
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,842
    edited 7:46AM
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,933
    stodge said:

    DougSeal said:

    At the end of the day does it matter? The next election is decided.

    Really? On what basis have you concluded that and have you bet accordingly?
    Reading this site.

    As the man who predicted the Truss comeback I’m a whale in the betting markets so I don’t reveal my bets publicly
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,434
    Gallowgate said:

    TimS said:

    Re: English fizz. I was at a French embassy event last week. They cheekily hinted they would be doing a Champagne vs English sparkling taste off. We were all given 2 glasses, with one clearly superior to the other. We were asked to guess where they were from.

    Then when the results came out: surprise! They were both French.

    Bantz
    Plaisantz
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,610
    DougSeal said:

    At the end of the day does it matter? The next election is decided.

    The next election is astonishingly undecided. Let us accept that on current polling Reform form the next government.

    Some examples. A Labour recovery + a Tory recovery more or less making them equal with Reform = Labour led government.

    Tory and Reform electoral pact not to stand against each other = Tory and Reform government.

    Tory wipeout but Reform getting most seats, say 290, = chaos.

    Either Labour or Tory finding a leader over the next two years of charismatic quality + Reform feuding internally = Labour or Tory government.

    Farage ceasing to be leader of Reform = unknown outcome.

    War involving NATO = unknown outcome. Add swans of various colours including Black ones.

  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,692
    TimS said:

    bondegezou said:

    DougSeal said:

    At the end of the day does it matter? The next election is decided.

    It very much isn’t. There’s a long way to go.
    It’s possibly the least predictable election ever. We could see anything from Reform majority to ConRef coalition to Lab majority, Lib-Lab pact, Reform minority, rainbow anti Reform coalition. Who knows. I don’t think even Con largest party is impossible.
    It's only 8.45am here, put that joint down!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,291
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    🚨 Australia captain Pat Cummins will miss the opening Ashes Test against England in Perth in late November, multiple local media outlets reported on Wednesday.

    Pat Cummins to miss first Ashes Test in hammer blow for Australia

    Fast bowler will not have recovered in time from back injury for match in Perth and is still a doubt for the rest of the series

    https://x.com/TeleCricket/status/1975826317011489181

    Good news for England, not that one should wish injury on one’s opponents.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,054
    In other news, it’s still very mild here in the North East. The heating hasn’t even been touched yet. Do any PB weather nerds know if a cold winter is expected?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,434
    algarkirk said:

    DougSeal said:

    At the end of the day does it matter? The next election is decided.

    The next election is astonishingly undecided. Let us accept that on current polling Reform form the next government.

    Some examples. A Labour recovery + a Tory recovery more or less making them equal with Reform = Labour led government.

    Tory and Reform electoral pact not to stand against each other = Tory and Reform government.

    Tory wipeout but Reform getting most seats, say 290, = chaos.

    Either Labour or Tory finding a leader over the next two years of charismatic quality + Reform feuding internally = Labour or Tory government.

    Farage ceasing to be leader of Reform = unknown outcome.

    War involving NATO = unknown outcome. Add swans of various colours including Black ones.

    Events in the US could lead to a Canadian or Australian-style change of fortune for the centre-left here.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,080
    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,452
    Foxy said:

    I do feel rather sorry for Badenoch.

    It's not her fault that her party is dying. No one can resuscitate a corpse.

    Still, lots of organ donations. Who knew a body could have so many dicks?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,162
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Foxy said:

    I do feel rather sorry for Badenoch.

    It's not her fault that her party is dying. No one can resuscitate a corpse.

    Still, lots of organ donations. Who knew a body could have so many dicks?
    So you've not heard of Bonnie Blue?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,349
    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,162
    bondegezou said:

    algarkirk said:

    DougSeal said:

    At the end of the day does it matter? The next election is decided.

    The next election is astonishingly undecided. Let us accept that on current polling Reform form the next government.

    Some examples. A Labour recovery + a Tory recovery more or less making them equal with Reform = Labour led government.

    Tory and Reform electoral pact not to stand against each other = Tory and Reform government.

    Tory wipeout but Reform getting most seats, say 290, = chaos.

    Either Labour or Tory finding a leader over the next two years of charismatic quality + Reform feuding internally = Labour or Tory government.

    Farage ceasing to be leader of Reform = unknown outcome.

    War involving NATO = unknown outcome. Add swans of various colours including Black ones.

    Events in the US could lead to a Canadian or Australian-style change of fortune for the centre-left here.
    Canada you say?

    That's where I tipped Pierre Poilievre to lose his seat at 14/1.

    #LegendaryModestyKlaxon
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,349
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
    Now I am jealous!!!

    I've only seen sea otters from a distance.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,162
    rottenborough said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,769
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
    Sea kelp?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,408
    DougSeal said:

    stodge said:

    DougSeal said:

    At the end of the day does it matter? The next election is decided.

    Really? On what basis have you concluded that and have you bet accordingly?
    Reading this site.

    As the man who predicted the Truss comeback I’m a whale in the betting markets so I don’t reveal my bets publicly
    Which Truss comeback is or was that? I'd completely forgotten about her as she is of no significance.

    It's up to you whether you wish to reveal your big political bets or not but as to taking the advice of the PB forum, there was a comment about a Tory leader preferring to listen to his butler (or valet) than the Party Conference and that's probably apposite.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,858
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
    Monterey is great despite the kitsch.

    If you're driving up the coast, stop by Gayle's Bakery in Capitola, and try their key lime pie.
    Long queues if you don't get there early.
    https://gaylesbakery.menu
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,408
    numbertwelve said:

    This conference has shown that axing Kemi is unlikely to make the blindest bit of difference. The Tories are in a doom spiral of their own making, rabbiting Reform talking points to empty rooms and carrying on as if the scales will fall from everyone’s eyes any day now and they’ll be welcomed back with open arms.

    It doesn’t work that way. People aren’t listening.

    Kemi clearly doesn’t have the strategic vision they need, but then, who does? Jenrick just wants to ape Reform, how will that help if people still associate the Tories with a disastrous previous government? Do Cleverly, Stride, Hunt etc really have the political skills to both repudiate governments they were senior members of but also sell a vision for the future? And rising “stars” like Katie Lam haven’t been MPs for 5 minutes, do they really have the raw leadership skills to make a difference?

    The party is in a sorry state and I’m not quite sure who can save it, other than Nigel Farage exiting the political scene and potentially freeing up some voters on the right, to shift back.

    If they can survive the next GE then they might just manage to get a hearing with a fresh(er) face and a bold strategy. Whether they get that chance, very hard to say.

    That's essentially what happened last time. David Cameron was a fresh face after the miseries of Howard, IDS and Hague - at least Cameron smiled occasionally and seemed human.

    It's possible Badenoch will end up like Hague who was little appreciated by the public but I believe did a lot behind the scenes to rebuild the shattered Conservative organisation after 1997.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,933
    Here’s a thing I never thought I’d do. Although long dormant, I just deleted my FB account. I made some mildly fruity comments about an Ayrshire Hotelier in 2015 I have no wish to be reviewed at the border when I visit the in-laws at Christmas. It takes 30 days apparently (cooling off period I guess) and while I’ve no doubt the data is stored somewhere, I thought it might be prudent.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,212
    rottenborough said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    And time to really form a political strategy/sense of mission. I sense she and her colleagues are still instinctively wedded to the previous Tory government.

    I don’t think Kemi has been great as LOTO, but I do think there is some raw talent there as a politician, it just isn’t able to get out in the current timing/circumstances.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,436
    BlancheLivermore said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
    Sea kelp?
    He's beyond kelp
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,842
    rottenborough said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
    Now I am jealous!!!

    I've only seen sea otters from a distance.
    It was incredible. There are dozens of them, they float by unconcerned

    They’ve put me in a superb hotel: the Monterey Plaza. With a massive balcony overlooking the bay. The local tourist board is, also, so stupidly wealthy they gave me a £50 bottle of Monterey Pinot Noir and a free £100 pair of Nocs binoculars

    So last night at twilight I stood on my balcony and sipped my Pinot and watched all the otters through my chic new binos. It was a moment
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,349
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rottenborough said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,692
    Foxy said:

    I do feel rather sorry for Badenoch.

    It's not her fault that her party is dying. No one can resuscitate a corpse.

    Have you tried?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,842
    BlancheLivermore said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
    Sea kelp?
    Think so. Great jungles of it. My kayaking guide said the thick fronds can be 100ft long. The otters use them as rafts for dozing, playing, eating
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,826
    They'd be foolish to dispose her now. Someone is in for a world of pain in May and it might as well be the soon to be previous management that takes it.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,436
    Leon said:

    BlancheLivermore said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
    Sea kelp?
    Think so. Great jungles of it. My kayaking guide said the thick fronds can be 100ft long. The otters use them as rafts for dozing, playing, eating
    ahem
  • bobbobbobbob Posts: 123
    TimS said:

    bobbob said:

    Just read Starmer is making it so indian employees on assignment from outsourcing firms don’t have to pay national insurance anymore

    Great news for rishi sunaks family but bad news for uk jobs

    Let’s unpick this a little as it’s a few months since the first outbreak of commentary on the agreement, and because it’s a good example of the way the media creates and social media propagates bizarre narratives.

    As part of last year’s Indian trade deal, there is an agreement to mitigate double social security contributions for assigned workers going in both directions.

    Absent reciprocal social security agreements, an assigned worker pays the equivalent of NI in both their home country and the destination country, with no double tax relief. Ie they are taxed twice despite having no access to the pension system of the destination.

    DSSAs are set up to avoid this by allowing people to keep paying in their home country only, so long as the assignment is formalised and of a limited duration. We have such agreements with all EU countries, most OECD countries and a wide range of developing countries, and have done for years. We didn’t have one with India. Now we do. It will help my organisation as we post a number of relatively highly paid UK employees over to India every year, and get a similar number of Indian assignees back.

    The absolute numbers of posted workers are governed by visa rules. The DSSA simply ensures no unfairness in treatment. Those railing against it are essentially arguing for double taxation.
    To me it’s a simple question: do foreign workers pay less UK tax than British workers - yes or no? If they do then that is wrong.

    It’s a particularly sensitive for Indian workers as outsourcing takes jobs and money out of the country

    The UK should start charging foreign workers HIGHER taxes. Would be a popular and good way to raise funds

    Call it the immigration triple lock: shortage industries only, always 1.5x the median wage, immigrants have to pay an immigration tax

    Would be popular imo
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,162
    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rottenborough said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,408
    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    I'll be honest - she's an improvement on the past couple but I find her arrogant and seemingly unaware of what the Government of which she was a prominent member did or rather didn't do in the fourteen years they were in office.

    A substantial dose of humility would take her a long way but that's often rationed in politics and among political leaders in particular.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,842
    I too rather like Kemi Badenoch. Whereas Starmer is bad and loathsome, she is bad but amiable

    However, she is pretty bad. The Tories maybe have one more roll of the dice and it’s gotta be Jenrick. He will at least get them noticed
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,219
    Leon said:

    rottenborough said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
    Now I am jealous!!!

    I've only seen sea otters from a distance.
    It was incredible. There are dozens of them, they float by unconcerned

    They’ve put me in a superb hotel: the Monterey Plaza. With a massive balcony overlooking the bay. The local tourist board is, also, so stupidly wealthy they gave me a £50 bottle of Monterey Pinot Noir and a free £100 pair of Nocs binoculars

    So last night at twilight I stood on my balcony and sipped my Pinot and watched all the otters through my chic new binos. It was a moment
    You can get up close to sea otters in Birmingham for £150. Just down the road from Reform's conference.
    https://www.visitsealife.com/birmingham/tickets-prices/vip-experiences/meet-the-sea-otters/
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,436
    Leon said:

    I too rather like Kemi Badenoch. Whereas Starmer is bad and loathsome, she is bad but amiable

    However, she is pretty bad. The Tories maybe have one more roll of the dice and it’s gotta be Jenrick. He will at least get them noticed

    Very able but too early? Is there a comparison with William Hague?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,567
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Foxy said:

    I do feel rather sorry for Badenoch.

    It's not her fault that her party is dying. No one can resuscitate a corpse.

    Still, lots of organ donations. Who knew a body could have so many dicks?
    Also many many arses.

    EDIT: Ah, no, sorry I see what you've done there. Not an organ.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,842
    Stocky said:

    Leon said:

    BlancheLivermore said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
    Sea kelp?
    Think so. Great jungles of it. My kayaking guide said the thick fronds can be 100ft long. The otters use them as rafts for dozing, playing, eating
    ahem
    Ah

    A very good pun by our recuperating postie @BlancheLivermore
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,911
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rottenborough said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    Are you sure they are this smart?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,162
    Leon said:

    I too rather like Kemi Badenoch. Whereas Starmer is bad and loathsome, she is bad but amiable

    However, she is pretty bad. The Tories maybe have one more roll of the dice and it’s gotta be Jenrick. He will at least get them noticed

    You might want to avoid the afternoon thread, it might give you an aneurysm.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,567
    DougSeal said:

    Here’s a thing I never thought I’d do. Although long dormant, I just deleted my FB account. I made some mildly fruity comments about an Ayrshire Hotelier in 2015 I have no wish to be reviewed at the border when I visit the in-laws at Christmas. It takes 30 days apparently (cooling off period I guess) and while I’ve no doubt the data is stored somewhere, I thought it might be prudent.

    Better safe than sorry.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,349
    Leon said:

    rottenborough said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
    Now I am jealous!!!

    I've only seen sea otters from a distance.
    It was incredible. There are dozens of them, they float by unconcerned

    They’ve put me in a superb hotel: the Monterey Plaza. With a massive balcony overlooking the bay. The local tourist board is, also, so stupidly wealthy they gave me a £50 bottle of Monterey Pinot Noir and a free £100 pair of Nocs binoculars

    So last night at twilight I stood on my balcony and sipped my Pinot and watched all the otters through my chic new binos. It was a moment
    Marvellous.

    I saw them on the same coast but from a distance somewhere on that drive down Big Sur to LA. They were indeed lounging on sea kelp. What a drive that is!!!

    Must be thirty five years ago now. Glad to hear the otters are still there.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,610
    Foss said:

    They'd be foolish to dispose her now. Someone is in for a world of pain in May and it might as well be the soon to be previous management that takes it.

    Agree. PB is interested in elections and politics at all times. The normal human world isn't. I heard a pollster say recently that of eight 2024 Tory voters he canvassed recently in Hertfordshire only one had heard of Kemi.

    The mood changes in about autumn of 2027. The Tories need whoever will lead into 2029 in place by end 2026/start of 2027. (Labour ditto).

    No parties are well placed for switching leaders. For Lab, Con, Reform and LD (to say nothing of SNP, PC and Green) not a single truly outstanding, epoch creating, bar storming, election shifting figure yet stands out.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,219
    Leon said:

    I too rather like Kemi Badenoch. Whereas Starmer is bad and loathsome, she is bad but amiable

    However, she is pretty bad. The Tories maybe have one more roll of the dice and it’s gotta be Jenrick. He will at least get them noticed

    Would this be the same Robert Jenrick who according to the header and the Times wants his colleagues to wait until after the local elections before ousting Kemi? Hardly the cry of a man with the answer to Conservative unpopularity. His big idea is some sort of electoral pact with Reform.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,933
    stodge said:

    DougSeal said:

    stodge said:

    DougSeal said:

    At the end of the day does it matter? The next election is decided.

    Really? On what basis have you concluded that and have you bet accordingly?
    Reading this site.

    As the man who predicted the Truss comeback I’m a whale in the betting markets so I don’t reveal my bets publicly
    Which Truss comeback is or was that? I'd completely forgotten about her as she is of no significance.

    It's up to you whether you wish to reveal your big political bets or not but as to taking the advice of the PB forum, there was a comment about a Tory leader preferring to listen to his butler (or valet) than the Party Conference and that's probably apposite.
    Very old in-joke followed by obvious hyperbole triggers tetchy reaction shocker.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,842
    Stocky said:

    Leon said:

    I too rather like Kemi Badenoch. Whereas Starmer is bad and loathsome, she is bad but amiable

    However, she is pretty bad. The Tories maybe have one more roll of the dice and it’s gotta be Jenrick. He will at least get them noticed

    Very able but too early? Is there a comparison with William Hague?
    Yes. At least five years too early

    Of course it’s highly possible the Tories are doomed and the ID of the leader is now irrelevant
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,692
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rottenborough said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    If only this could have been predicted before her election :)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,452
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    rottenborough said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
    Now I am jealous!!!

    I've only seen sea otters from a distance.
    It was incredible. There are dozens of them, they float by unconcerned

    They’ve put me in a superb hotel: the Monterey Plaza. With a massive balcony overlooking the bay. The local tourist board is, also, so stupidly wealthy they gave me a £50 bottle of Monterey Pinot Noir and a free £100 pair of Nocs binoculars

    So last night at twilight I stood on my balcony and sipped my Pinot and watched all the otters through my chic new binos. It was a moment
    You can get up close to sea otters in Birmingham for £150. Just down the road from Reform's conference.
    https://www.visitsealife.com/birmingham/tickets-prices/vip-experiences/meet-the-sea-otters/
    Aren't sea otters rapey, murdering necrophilliacs?

    Great headline.

    'Otters Are Not Cute, They Are Sick Depraved Jerks'

    https://www.iflscience.com/otters-are-not-cute-they-are-sick-depraved-jerks-47995

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,187
    TimS said:

    Re: English fizz. I was at a French embassy event last week. They cheekily hinted they would be doing a Champagne vs English sparkling taste off. We were all given 2 glasses, with one clearly superior to the other. We were asked to guess where they were from.

    Then when the results came out: surprise! They were both French.

    I’m surprised they unmasked the less good one…
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,335
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
    The chowder is nice there. I’ve been twice. It’s a lovely place
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,277
    BlancheLivermore said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
    Sea kelp?
    Sea kelp forest - no better way to relax on your back

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,187
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rottenborough said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    That assumes Jenrick doesn’t kill the party

    (Wasn’t Cleverly the one who tried to play silly games with the leadership election and got it wrong)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,911
    Am I alone amongst those of us on the same shit, different day round who look into PB for some hearty cheer about our heroes like Robert Jenrick only to accidentally come across travelog tales from some poppinjay hack who only stays in five thousand bucks a night grand hotels?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,842
    The Californian fashion for water in cans is weirdly confounding. Feels wrong
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,219
    Theuniondivvie said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    rottenborough said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
    Now I am jealous!!!

    I've only seen sea otters from a distance.
    It was incredible. There are dozens of them, they float by unconcerned

    They’ve put me in a superb hotel: the Monterey Plaza. With a massive balcony overlooking the bay. The local tourist board is, also, so stupidly wealthy they gave me a £50 bottle of Monterey Pinot Noir and a free £100 pair of Nocs binoculars

    So last night at twilight I stood on my balcony and sipped my Pinot and watched all the otters through my chic new binos. It was a moment
    You can get up close to sea otters in Birmingham for £150. Just down the road from Reform's conference.
    https://www.visitsealife.com/birmingham/tickets-prices/vip-experiences/meet-the-sea-otters/
    Aren't sea otters rapey, murdering necrophilliacs?

    Great headline.

    'Otters Are Not Cute, They Are Sick Depraved Jerks'

    https://www.iflscience.com/otters-are-not-cute-they-are-sick-depraved-jerks-47995

    I was reading a Bletchley Park memoir which mentioned the women stationed there learned to avoid the lake when swans (or was it ducks?) set out to murder each other. Nature red in tooth and claw, and all that.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,125
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Foxy said:

    I do feel rather sorry for Badenoch.

    It's not her fault that her party is dying. No one can resuscitate a corpse.

    She backed Brexit, she backed Boris, she backed the expulsion of Tory MPs, she fucked around and now she's now finding out.
    and around a quarter of tory voters decided they'd rather vote for a middle aged white man once they noticed who she was
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,147
    JENRICK: I want to be leader. Me me me
    PALS: OK, lets oust Badenoch
    JENRICK: Not yet! Then I'd get the blame for May!

    Tells you everything you need to know. Mr Toomanydarkies knows that under his leadership they will still get demolished, and he wants someone else to get the blame.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,219
    One point Fraser Nelson (probably) made was the Conservatives need to move on from Mrs Thatcher. It is not like she spent all her time banging on about Stanley Baldwin or even Winston Churchill.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,190
    Stocky said:

    Leon said:

    I too rather like Kemi Badenoch. Whereas Starmer is bad and loathsome, she is bad but amiable

    However, she is pretty bad. The Tories maybe have one more roll of the dice and it’s gotta be Jenrick. He will at least get them noticed

    Very able but too early? Is there a comparison with William Hague?
    Yes. Like Hague she is talented, with lots of potential, but far too early to take the exposure of being LOTO after a crushing defeat. We'll see, but I doubt that Jenrick is the answer. The MPs really screwed it up by accidentally excluding Cleverly.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,162
    StillWaters said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rottenborough said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    That assumes Jenrick doesn’t kill the party

    (Wasn’t Cleverly the one who tried to play silly games with the leadership election and got it wrong)
    Depends on who you ask.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/10/12/the-cunning-and-awesomeness-of-robert-jenrick/
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,054
    Leon said:

    The Californian fashion for water in cans is weirdly confounding. Feels wrong

    More recyclable than plastic? Although I didn’t know until recently that aluminium cans tend to be lined with plastic anyway.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,842
    Gallowgate said:

    Leon said:

    The Californian fashion for water in cans is weirdly confounding. Feels wrong

    More recyclable than plastic? Although I didn’t know until recently that aluminium cans tend to be lined with plastic anyway.
    Yes that’s the theory. Apparently. More eco sensitive in terms of recycling. But it just don’t feel right
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,219
    edited 8:31AM
    Leon said:

    The Californian fashion for water in cans is weirdly confounding. Feels wrong

    Cans are easily recyclable. From that angle, it might be stereotypically Californian. More likely it saves some oligarch a few cents in manufacture or shipping. Do they still sell milk in flimsy plastic bags?

    ETA scooped by Gallowgate.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,858
    Leon said:

    BlancheLivermore said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
    Sea kelp?
    Think so. Great jungles of it. My kayaking guide said the thick fronds can be 100ft long. The otters use them as rafts for dozing, playing, eating
    Forests.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,623
    Given there is no polling evidence Jenrick does better than Kemi she is right to stay on for now. She and Jenrick are also right that if the local and Scottish and Welsh elections are poor for the Conservatives next year she would have to go.

    Assassins rarely succeed those they remove though as Heseltine and Sunak discovered in previous Tory leadership contests. If Kemi was removed I think Cleverly is therefore likely to succeed her, the Michael Howard to her IDS and Jenrick's David Davis
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,122
    edited 8:33AM
    geoffw said:

    BlancheLivermore said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobbles

    I can hear the sea lions barking

    What a place

    Monterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
    That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their bellies

    Magical
    Sea kelp?
    Sea kelp forest - no better way to relax on your back

    Top 5 experience for me is diving through kelp forests, come round a corner and you've got a fat seal in your face. There was an Orca a few miles away which made the jump scare even better.

    Shame it's freezing though.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,858
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rottenborough said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm sorry that she hasn't been a success as leader. From what I've seen of her, I like her very much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    She took the leadership too young. Needed a lot more time in office and exposed to dealing with the media before running.

    As I warned at the time of the last leadership election.

    You know she's got major problems when I am calling her out for arrogance and a lack of self awareness.
    Isn't the whispering from "senior aides" about her going if May result are bad just them buying time by forestalling a November putsch?

    Potentially.

    Somebody has messaged me this scenario given Jenrick doesn't want Badenoch ousted until after next year's elections.

    1) Allies of James Cleverly get Badenoch ousted in November

    2) They stand aside and let Jenrick become leader in November

    3) The Tories are mullered in May 2026

    4) Jenrick takes the blame and is ousted

    5) Clearing the way for Cleverly to be coronated in late 2026.

    Cleverly might be setting up the greatest ambush since Midway.
    As leader of a broken party ?
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,826
    edited 8:33AM
    Gallowgate said:

    Leon said:

    The Californian fashion for water in cans is weirdly confounding. Feels wrong

    More recyclable than plastic? Although I didn’t know until recently that aluminium cans tend to be lined with plastic anyway.
    Some of the big US breweries are set up to can water so it can be used for disaster relief. That's probably normalised it a bit more for them than it would be over here.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,147
    I listened to the Jeremy Hunt interviews on The Rest Is Politics Leading. Very intelligent guy - both real world and political intelligence. He can't be the only Tory left who is a decent human being and has a political brain.

    Someone needs to rescue what is left of the party before it is too late. Jenrick thinks Enoch was Right. Cleverly shouts "cos its a shithole" abuses about towns *which have a Tory MP*.

    Neither of these cretins can turn things around. But Hunt could. A pity the Tories won't vote for him cos he's practically a communist or something.
  • StarryStarry Posts: 121
    DougSeal said:

    At the end of the day does it matter? The next election is decided.

    14 Dec 1981. Alliance polls over 50% of the vote. With less than 2 years until the next election, an SDP / Liberal government is a certainty.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,807
    Isn't there something of the 'bald people squabbling over a comb' about all this?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,623
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    I too rather like Kemi Badenoch. Whereas Starmer is bad and loathsome, she is bad but amiable

    However, she is pretty bad. The Tories maybe have one more roll of the dice and it’s gotta be Jenrick. He will at least get them noticed

    Would this be the same Robert Jenrick who according to the header and the Times wants his colleagues to wait until after the local elections before ousting Kemi? Hardly the cry of a man with the answer to Conservative unpopularity. His big idea is some sort of electoral pact with Reform.
    Jenrick is now the natural successor to Farage as leader of the nationalist and populist right in the UK, even Farage said he loved his speech yesterday. The question is just whether Jenrick does that as leader of the Conservatives or as leader of a Reform merged with a rump Tories
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,291
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    The Californian fashion for water in cans is weirdly confounding. Feels wrong

    Cans are easily recyclable. From that angle, it might be stereotypically Californian. More likely it saves some oligarch a few cents in manufacture or shipping. Do they still sell milk in flimsy plastic bags?

    ETA scooped by Gallowgate.
    Isn’t it the opposite, that the canned water is seen as the choice of the aware and conscious, the Good People use cans rather than plastic so it carries a premium? That would be very Californian.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,441
    TimS said:

    bondegezou said:

    DougSeal said:

    At the end of the day does it matter? The next election is decided.

    It very much isn’t. There’s a long way to go.
    It’s possibly the least predictable election ever. We could see anything from Reform majority to ConRef coalition to Lab majority, Lib-Lab pact, Reform minority, rainbow anti Reform coalition. Who knows. I don’t think even Con largest party is impossible.
    The Tories are currently so despised that one of the greatest risks to Reform's success is that they accept too many senior defections from the Tories and come to be seen as recycling failed Tory politicians.

    I'm confident that Con largest party is impossible.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,842
    edited 8:38AM
    French poll

    Le Pen is now way ahead - but only because her opponents are collapsing (and some new party?). Very similar to Farage in the UK

    France, OpinionWay poll:

    Others: 6%

    RN and allies-PfE: 33%
    PCF/LÉ/PS-LEFT|G/EFA|S&D: 18% (n.a.)
    Ensemble-RE: 14% (-8)
    LR-EPP: 12% (+3)
    LFI-LEFT: 9% (n.a.)
    REC-ESN: 6% (+5)
    LO-*: 2% (+1)

    +/- vs. 2024 election

    Fieldwork: 06-07 September 2025
    Sample size: 1,012
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,549
    Sandpit said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    The Californian fashion for water in cans is weirdly confounding. Feels wrong

    Cans are easily recyclable. From that angle, it might be stereotypically Californian. More likely it saves some oligarch a few cents in manufacture or shipping. Do they still sell milk in flimsy plastic bags?

    ETA scooped by Gallowgate.
    Isn’t it the opposite, that the canned water is seen as the choice of the aware and conscious, the Good People use cans rather than plastic so it carries a premium? That would be very Californian.
    They are also a hell of a lot easier to pack and stack on fridge shelves than plastic bottles so you can have more on display and chilled I would think.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,584
    The Tories seem to have forgotten who they are here for.
    Lots of policy to cheer the members this week, in theory, but this is the membership who chose Liz Truss and Kemi Badenoch, and look less and less like Britian (sorry Britain) every conference.

    5th with younger voters, despised over Brexit, austerity and sleaze. And their answer is to leave the EHCR as well because Brexit wasn't hard enough? They need a leader who can speak to the country not the members. Another Cameron. I doubt that leader is an MP yet. In some ways the only target is survival as a party until he/she emerges. Whether Jenrick takes over in November or June hardly matters.
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