The Conservatives will take the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) if they win the next election, Kemi Badenoch has announced.
The announcement comes after a review by the Conservative party's lead lawyer found staying in the ECHR blocks migration reform and leads to the persecution of military veterans.
After all the bother with NI and Brexit, you'd think that the Tories would have learnt something and rememebred something by now. The Bourbon biscuits of our time?
I don't think that losing Northern Ireland would be as an existential issue for a PM (any PM) as losing Wales or Scotland. They've been half out of the door for a long time and retention feels more like a Westminster project than one the regions are fully committed too.
I don't see Ireland being kind whilst NI has a disfunctional Government and what a large fiscal deficit - so needing a modest subsidy.
(Numbers removed - the point stands but I'm not clear that they are correct.)
The Republic won't hesitate to take Northern Ireland.
Only if a clear majority of Northern Irish voters vote for that in a UK government approved border poll. They don’t want the Troubles to flare up again.
The UK government can of course refuse independence referendums again in Scotland forever as the SC affirmed if it wants and Wales is almost as pro Reform as England now anyway
Different legislation concerning referenda applies to NI, indeed it's enshrined in the GFA IIRC. Would therefore be even more difficult to refuse a referendum if polling was consistent.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
Why? Look at the advantages of withdrawing the EHCR from *everyone*. It could have all sorts of benefits for a dictator adjacent PM.
Right to life (Article 2)
Prohibition of torture and inhuman or degrading treatment (Article 3)
Prohibition of slavery and forced labour (Article 4)
Right to liberty and security (Article 5)
Right to a fair trial (Article 6)
No punishment without law (Article 7)
Right to respect for private and family life (Article 8)
Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion (Article 9)
Freedom of expression (Article 10)
Freedom of assembly and association (Article 11)
Right to marry (Article 12)
Right to an effective remedy (Article 13)
No effective remedy would be the icing on the cake for some. Comes under the heading of 'be careful what you wish for'
Dictator Supreme Leader of the UK Kemi Badenoch, quite a forecast
Have a read of the HoL and HoC report on the last attempt at replacing the EHCR. Soundbites rather than the hard work of policy, costings, and agreement. And it's all down to the current leader and leadership of the Conservative party. No sense in any of them.
TLDR "The Bill will introduce large scale uncertainty as the courts grapple with a new, complex, regime. Far from increasing understanding, matters will end up being litigated in order to gain clarity."
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
Yes but they’re not leaving it. The government needs to do something on judges interpretation of Article 8 .
This has been the main issue .
Yep, their hope is that reform of it will nullify the articles that are commonly used to frustrate immigration policy. Leaving would have the same effect, among others. So to say leaving it won’t solve the problem is a bit disingenuous.
A few random thoughts for a fine but breezy Saturday.
947 MB is very low for early October but common enough for the depths of winter. I suspect increased SSTs (Sea Surface Temperatures) and the energy from ex-Hurricane Humberto which was absorbed by the trough encouraged rapid cyclogenesis (the "deepening" of a Low Pressure area, the reduction in central pressure). It may be an outrider for the impacts of a warmer climate as we know a lot of the heat is absorbed by the oceans.
It was expected to be a very active tropical season for the United States but hasn't been so far - it wouldn't surprise if the season went on longer with some November and even December storms given the residual heat in the Gulf of whatever you want to call it.
Up East Ham High Street this morning and the coming of Popeyes Chicken still seems to be on course while a few doors up the fire damaged premises are back open for business - the traditional "tenancy at will" selling all manner of clothes, suitcases and bric a brac but the walls are still blackened by smoke damage. There's also a bloke walking up and down shouting about "deep fried rice" - I've had deep fried pizza in Naples but I think this may be something else.
The Conservative Party? Everyone's favourite subject. IF they want to differentiate themselves from Reform and indeed other parties by proclaiming the virtues of sound economic management, fine, but they need to explain why they didn't embrace those virtues during their time in Government AND if they want to reduce borrowing and the deficit (not the same thing) they need to be clear about how they will do it. Large scale spending cuts (especially if combined with tax cuts) may please the wealthy but not those dependent on public services. Even a measure as simple as unfreezing personal allowances and returning them to tracking RPI won't be cost free in terms of falling tax receipts.
The strongest and most public division I am seeing on the right is around Free Trade and something more like Victorian (and Edwardian?) Mercantilism. Imaging we were still in 1880 or 1905 is one of the Trumpist shticks. *
Perhaps the Rump Tories need to be on the Free Trade side, as the other is Trumpish - and will cripple the USA economy just as it did in the 1930s.
I'm not sure how they sell it however. If they are going populo-nationalist or being the "slightly different to Farage" party then they will be happy just to deceive in order to make short term gains.
* My off topic speculation - Hegseth may use the beards issue (around folliculitis) to try and re-segregate the US armed forces in some measure; only certain formations will be exempt from shaving requirements, and those will effectively be the black ones, where the issue is prominent.
I thought Farage was critical of Trump's tariff policies back in the spring and I don't detect an appetite for tariffs among Reform currently. As for the Conservatives, they have history around protectionism and tariffs from the 1930s (how often we are quoting that decade these days?).
There's a debate around whether the tariff policies helped promote economic recovery after the shock of the Depression and Wall Street Crash. You could certainly argue much of southern England (including around London) was doing very well in the late 1930s with a big expansion of housing (publicly owned and built for the most part). Both my sets of grandparents moved from East London into properties on new council estates in the mid-1930s - indeed, the same estate which was how my mother and father met.
Fair comment. I'm not clear just who is which side, but neither are they, and Farage will say different things between last week and this week if he thinks he needs to for marketing reasons.
An isolationist trade policy (ie XYZ "First") seems to me to be a NatCon vs NeoCon ("Globalist") dividing line, and feeds into MAGA. I've seen the RINO jibe attached to the more traditional Conservative Right in the USA.
Even MAGA is divided. Musk and Ramswamay are globalist small state free traders who back high skilled immigration as are traditional Republican voters. Bannon and the MAGA white working class core Trump vote though are strongly protectionist and pro tariff and want not only no more immigration but further mass deportations by Trump
The Conservatives will take the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) if they win the next election, Kemi Badenoch has announced.
The announcement comes after a review by the Conservative party's lead lawyer found staying in the ECHR blocks migration reform and leads to the persecution of military veterans.
After all the bother with NI and Brexit, you'd think that the Tories would have learnt something and rememebred something by now. The Bourbon biscuits of our time?
I don't think that losing Northern Ireland would be as an existential issue for a PM (any PM) as losing Wales or Scotland. They've been half out of the door for a long time and retention feels more like a Westminster project than one the regions are fully committed too.
I don't see Ireland being kind whilst NI has a disfunctional Government and what a large fiscal deficit - so needing a modest subsidy.
(Numbers removed - the point stands but I'm not clear that they are correct.)
The Republic won't hesitate to take Northern Ireland.
Really? My friends from Ireland have always led me to believe you couldn't make a present of the six counties to anybody, but maybe they have misled me.
The Conservatives will take the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) if they win the next election, Kemi Badenoch has announced.
The announcement comes after a review by the Conservative party's lead lawyer found staying in the ECHR blocks migration reform and leads to the persecution of military veterans.
After all the bother with NI and Brexit, you'd think that the Tories would have learnt something and rememebred something by now. The Bourbon biscuits of our time?
I don't think that losing Northern Ireland would be as an existential issue for a PM (any PM) as losing Wales or Scotland. They've been half out of the door for a long time and retention feels more like a Westminster project than one the regions are fully committed too.
I don't see Ireland being kind whilst NI has a disfunctional Government and what a large fiscal deficit - so needing a modest subsidy.
(Numbers removed - the point stands but I'm not clear that they are correct.)
The Republic won't hesitate to take Northern Ireland.
Only if a clear majority of Northern Irish voters vote for that in a UK government approved border poll. They don’t want the Troubles to flare up again.
The UK government can of course refuse independence referendums again in Scotland forever as the SC affirmed if it wants and Wales is almost as pro Reform as England now anyway
Different legislation concerning referenda applies to NI, indeed it's enshrined in the GFA IIRC. Would therefore be even more difficult to refuse a referendum if polling was consistent.
In NI yes but not Scotland or Wales and still most NI polls show narrow majorities to stay in the UK anyway so no border poll required
The Conservatives will take the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) if they win the next election, Kemi Badenoch has announced.
The announcement comes after a review by the Conservative party's lead lawyer found staying in the ECHR blocks migration reform and leads to the persecution of military veterans.
After all the bother with NI and Brexit, you'd think that the Tories would have learnt something and rememebred something by now. The Bourbon biscuits of our time?
I don't think that losing Northern Ireland would be as an existential issue for a PM (any PM) as losing Wales or Scotland. They've been half out of the door for a long time and retention feels more like a Westminster project than one the regions are fully committed too.
I don't see Ireland being kind whilst NI has a disfunctional Government and what a large fiscal deficit - so needing a modest subsidy.
(Numbers removed - the point stands but I'm not clear that they are correct.)
The Republic won't hesitate to take Northern Ireland.
Only if a clear majority of Northern Irish voters vote for that in a UK government approved border poll. They don’t want the Troubles to flare up again.
The UK government can of course refuse independence referendums again in Scotland forever as the SC affirmed if it wants and Wales is almost as pro Reform as England now anyway
Different legislation concerning referenda applies to NI, indeed it's enshrined in the GFA IIRC. Would therefore be even more difficult to refuse a referendum if polling was consistent.
The Institute for Government have this:
As part of the Good Friday Agreement, an explicit provision for holding a Northern Ireland border poll was made in UK law. The Northern Ireland Act 1998 states that “if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland”, the Secretary of State shall make an Order in Council enabling a border poll.2
It is not clear exactly what would satisfy this requirement. The Constitution Unit suggests that a consistent majority in opinion polls, a Catholic majority in a census, a nationalist majority in the Northern Ireland Assembly, or a vote by a majority in the Assembly could all be considered evidence of majority support for a united Ireland.3 However, the Secretary of State must ultimately decide whether the condition has been met.
There's a lot of wriggle room for interpretation there, although several of the suggested criteria have been satisfied in Scotland in the years since the Brexit Referendum.
The Conservatives will take the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) if they win the next election, Kemi Badenoch has announced.
The announcement comes after a review by the Conservative party's lead lawyer found staying in the ECHR blocks migration reform and leads to the persecution of military veterans.
After all the bother with NI and Brexit, you'd think that the Tories would have learnt something and rememebred something by now. The Bourbon biscuits of our time?
I don't think that losing Northern Ireland would be as an existential issue for a PM (any PM) as losing Wales or Scotland. They've been half out of the door for a long time and retention feels more like a Westminster project than one the regions are fully committed too.
I don't see Ireland being kind whilst NI has a disfunctional Government and what a large fiscal deficit - so needing a modest subsidy.
(Numbers removed - the point stands but I'm not clear that they are correct.)
The Republic won't hesitate to take Northern Ireland.
Really? My friends from Ireland have always led me to believe you couldn't make a present of the six counties to anybody, but maybe they have misled me.
There's a minority who would vote against, but the idea that fear of a budget deficit would determine the vote is hogwash.
Edit: Also, are your friends currently resident in Ireland, or emigrants? Generally speaking the Irish who don't emigrate are more conservative, which might be a factor.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Labour are planning to change the legal framework around this. If it works, it will be a moot point. If it doesn't work, then support for leaving will only grow.
Liberals and internationalists should be proposing a new framework for modern times rather than doggedly protecting the status quo as if it is scripture.
The ECHR goes back to the Congress of Europe in 1948, convened by Churchill (Conservative), Adenauer (Christian Democrat) and Mitterrand (Socialist). The lead person in drafting it was David Maxwell Fyfe, a UK Conservative MP. It is as much a product of conservatism as anything else, but conservatism has lost its way.
Meanwhile, in "straw blowing in the East London wind" news,
A Conservative member of the London Assembly has defected to Reform UK.
Keith Prince, who was a Tory party member for almost 50 years, served as leader of Redbridge Council in east London from 2009 to 2014, and is a councillor at Havering Council, also in east London.
The Conservatives will take the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) if they win the next election, Kemi Badenoch has announced.
The announcement comes after a review by the Conservative party's lead lawyer found staying in the ECHR blocks migration reform and leads to the persecution of military veterans.
After all the bother with NI and Brexit, you'd think that the Tories would have learnt something and rememebred something by now. The Bourbon biscuits of our time?
I don't think that losing Northern Ireland would be as an existential issue for a PM (any PM) as losing Wales or Scotland. They've been half out of the door for a long time and retention feels more like a Westminster project than one the regions are fully committed too.
I don't see Ireland being kind whilst NI has a disfunctional Government and what a large fiscal deficit - so needing a modest subsidy.
(Numbers removed - the point stands but I'm not clear that they are correct.)
The Republic won't hesitate to take Northern Ireland.
Really? My friends from Ireland have always led me to believe you couldn't make a present of the six counties to anybody, but maybe they have misled me.
There's a minority who would vote against, but the idea that fear of a budget deficit would determine the vote is hogwash.
Edit: Also, are your friends currently resident in Ireland, or emigrants? Generally speaking the Irish who don't emigrate are more conservative, which might be a factor.
In which case it would appear I have an outmoded attitude to update.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
Yes but they’re not leaving it. The government needs to do something on judges interpretation of Article 8 .
This has been the main issue .
Yep, their hope is that reform of it will nullify the articles that are commonly used to frustrate immigration policy. Leaving would have the same effect, among others. So to say leaving it won’t solve the problem is a bit disingenuous.
The right wing have decided that leaving the ECHR is now the next Brexit campaign and are trying to re-assemble the Leave coalition. Do you remember the Supreme Court case about whether Rwanda was a safe country . The judges clearly highlighted that the issue wasn’t just related to the ECHR but other rights conventions. So the UK will have to leave those aswell . The UK will also find it almost impossible to extradite criminals from EU countries , lose security co-operation , breach the EU UK trade deal and GFA .
EU Treaties do not allow certain aspects of law enforcement co-operation if you’re outside of the ECHR .
Those politicians peddling leaving the ECHR as easy and without huge problems are a bunch of liars.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Labour are planning to change the legal framework around this. If it works, it will be a moot point. If it doesn't work, then support for leaving will only grow.
Liberals and internationalists should be proposing a new framework for modern times rather than doggedly protecting the status quo as if it is scripture.
The ECHR goes back to the Congress of Europe in 1948, convened by Churchill (Conservative), Adenauer (Christian Democrat) and Mitterrand (Socialist). The lead person in drafting it was David Maxwell Fyfe, a UK Conservative MP. It is as much a product of conservatism as anything else, but conservatism has lost its way.
So what?
It's not working today, and needs either fundamental reform or a new settlement.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Labour are planning to change the legal framework around this. If it works, it will be a moot point. If it doesn't work, then support for leaving will only grow.
Liberals and internationalists should be proposing a new framework for modern times rather than doggedly protecting the status quo as if it is scripture.
The ECHR goes back to the Congress of Europe in 1948, convened by Churchill (Conservative), Adenauer (Christian Democrat) and Mitterrand (Socialist). The lead person in drafting it was David Maxwell Fyfe, a UK Conservative MP. It is as much a product of conservatism as anything else, but conservatism has lost its way.
So what?
It's not working today, and needs either fundamental reform or a new settlement.
It works fine. It's just become a bogeyman for Daily Telegraph headlines.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It shouldn't, if it does then there's something wrong with their priorities.
Leaving the ECHR is perfectly compatible with One Nation views.
I've yet to ever hear a single good reason why we need the ECHR, when Australia, Canada and New Zealand do not. The fact we are on a different continent is utterly meaningless and irrelevant.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
James Bond is best known for wielding his Walter PPK, but if you're looking for his signature sidearm on Amazon, you won't see it. Prime Video has made changes to its posters, and where Bond was initially holding a gun, it has been removed. Not only that, but the company appears to have done this using Photoshop, and it shows.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Labour are planning to change the legal framework around this. If it works, it will be a moot point. If it doesn't work, then support for leaving will only grow.
Liberals and internationalists should be proposing a new framework for modern times rather than doggedly protecting the status quo as if it is scripture.
The ECHR goes back to the Congress of Europe in 1948, convened by Churchill (Conservative), Adenauer (Christian Democrat) and Mitterrand (Socialist). The lead person in drafting it was David Maxwell Fyfe, a UK Conservative MP. It is as much a product of conservatism as anything else, but conservatism has lost its way.
The ECHR in 1948 was a set of principles, no court. Those principles were in the UK implemented by Parliament.
Nothing wrong with going back to that. Let Parliament be the ultimate guarantor of our rights, it was good enough for then, its good enough for now.
Unelected foreign bodies should have no jurisdiction.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
Amazon seem to believe that using pictures of guns in advertising pictures for James Bond would be triggering for folk.
Meanwhile, in "straw blowing in the East London wind" news,
A Conservative member of the London Assembly has defected to Reform UK.
Keith Prince, who was a Tory party member for almost 50 years, served as leader of Redbridge Council in east London from 2009 to 2014, and is a councillor at Havering Council, also in east London.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
As they are allowed to.
The government really shouldn't be getting involved
It's the same as protecting food of cultural significance. James Bond is a big part of brand Britainnia and now some shitty American execs are going to trash it. If Trump can stick tariff on kitchen cabinets under the guise of national security then I think we can protect our culturally significant property.
Agreed.
James Bond died with No Time To Die though.
Broccoli/Wilson had had enough, and Daniel Craig wanted his office leaving do.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Labour are planning to change the legal framework around this. If it works, it will be a moot point. If it doesn't work, then support for leaving will only grow.
Liberals and internationalists should be proposing a new framework for modern times rather than doggedly protecting the status quo as if it is scripture.
The ECHR goes back to the Congress of Europe in 1948, convened by Churchill (Conservative), Adenauer (Christian Democrat) and Mitterrand (Socialist). The lead person in drafting it was David Maxwell Fyfe, a UK Conservative MP. It is as much a product of conservatism as anything else, but conservatism has lost its way.
So what?
It's not working today, and needs either fundamental reform or a new settlement.
It works fine. It's just become a bogeyman for Daily Telegraph headlines.
Does it?
Things change, and it might be that laws require fettling as a consequence. A law that is unchanging might soon become bad law, however well-intentioned the drafters were, and good the law was at first.
As an example: AIUI the international law on refugees was largely written at a time that refers directly back to the WW2 experience, and was undoubtedly good at that time. But times change. Whilst many refugees are still fleeing warfare, there are also many economic refugees, and also some countries are using refugees as a form of warfare. Travel is also much easier.
In addition, countries cannot be expected to take unlimited numbers of refugees.
So: we either rewrite the international law on refugees to reflect the modern world, or risk increasing numbers of countries ignoring it.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Labour are planning to change the legal framework around this. If it works, it will be a moot point. If it doesn't work, then support for leaving will only grow.
Liberals and internationalists should be proposing a new framework for modern times rather than doggedly protecting the status quo as if it is scripture.
The ECHR goes back to the Congress of Europe in 1948, convened by Churchill (Conservative), Adenauer (Christian Democrat) and Mitterrand (Socialist). The lead person in drafting it was David Maxwell Fyfe, a UK Conservative MP. It is as much a product of conservatism as anything else, but conservatism has lost its way.
The ECHR in 1948 was a set of principles, no court. Those principles were in the UK implemented by Parliament.
Nothing wrong with going back to that. Let Parliament be the ultimate guarantor of our rights, it was good enough for then, its good enough for now.
Unelected foreign bodies should have no jurisdiction.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It shouldn't, if it does then there's something wrong with their priorities.
Leaving the ECHR is perfectly compatible with One Nation views.
I've yet to ever hear a single good reason why we need the ECHR, when Australia, Canada and New Zealand do not. The fact we are on a different continent is utterly meaningless and irrelevant.
It’s not irrelevant. Whether you like it or not the ECHR is part of several important UK signed international agreements.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
Yes but they’re not leaving it. The government needs to do something on judges interpretation of Article 8 .
This has been the main issue .
Yep, their hope is that reform of it will nullify the articles that are commonly used to frustrate immigration policy. Leaving would have the same effect, among others. So to say leaving it won’t solve the problem is a bit disingenuous.
The right wing have decided that leaving the ECHR is now the next Brexit campaign and are trying to re-assemble the Leave coalition. Do you remember the Supreme Court case about whether Rwanda was a safe country . The judges clearly highlighted that the issue wasn’t just related to the ECHR but other rights conventions. So the UK will have to leave those aswell . The UK will also find it almost impossible to extradite criminals from EU countries , lose security co-operation , breach the EU UK trade deal and GFA .
EU Treaties do not allow certain aspects of law enforcement co-operation if you’re outside of the ECHR .
Those politicians peddling leaving the ECHR as easy and without huge problems are a bunch of liars.
Australia, Canada and New Zealand exist just fine without being ECHR members. Why are we so uniquely incapable of implementing our own fundamental rights?
Australia can also extradite criminals to the EU and vice-versa, so bizarre we would find it "almost impossible".
Almost as if you are talking complete and utter bullshit.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
The owners of the IP sold it to some rich Americans who don't understand the thing they have bought and are going to make a mess of it.
It's the risk you take when you allow people to buy and sell stuff freely.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
Yes but they’re not leaving it. The government needs to do something on judges interpretation of Article 8 .
This has been the main issue .
Yep, their hope is that reform of it will nullify the articles that are commonly used to frustrate immigration policy. Leaving would have the same effect, among others. So to say leaving it won’t solve the problem is a bit disingenuous.
The right wing have decided that leaving the ECHR is now the next Brexit campaign and are trying to re-assemble the Leave coalition. Do you remember the Supreme Court case about whether Rwanda was a safe country . The judges clearly highlighted that the issue wasn’t just related to the ECHR but other rights conventions. So the UK will have to leave those aswell . The UK will also find it almost impossible to extradite criminals from EU countries , lose security co-operation , breach the EU UK trade deal and GFA .
EU Treaties do not allow certain aspects of law enforcement co-operation if you’re outside of the ECHR .
Those politicians peddling leaving the ECHR as easy and without huge problems are a bunch of liars.
Ah, so Labour’s talk of reforming the ECHR is similarly doomed/pointless? One wonders why they are even talking about it.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
James Bond is best known for wielding his Walter PPK, but if you're looking for his signature sidearm on Amazon, you won't see it. Prime Video has made changes to its posters, and where Bond was initially holding a gun, it has been removed. Not only that, but the company appears to have done this using Photoshop, and it shows.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Labour are planning to change the legal framework around this. If it works, it will be a moot point. If it doesn't work, then support for leaving will only grow.
Liberals and internationalists should be proposing a new framework for modern times rather than doggedly protecting the status quo as if it is scripture.
The ECHR goes back to the Congress of Europe in 1948, convened by Churchill (Conservative), Adenauer (Christian Democrat) and Mitterrand (Socialist). The lead person in drafting it was David Maxwell Fyfe, a UK Conservative MP. It is as much a product of conservatism as anything else, but conservatism has lost its way.
So what?
It's not working today, and needs either fundamental reform or a new settlement.
It works fine. It's just become a bogeyman for Daily Telegraph headlines.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
James Bond is best known for wielding his Walter PPK, but if you're looking for his signature sidearm on Amazon, you won't see it. Prime Video has made changes to its posters, and where Bond was initially holding a gun, it has been removed. Not only that, but the company appears to have done this using Photoshop, and it shows.
Meanwhile, in "straw blowing in the East London wind" news,
A Conservative member of the London Assembly has defected to Reform UK.
Keith Prince, who was a Tory party member for almost 50 years, served as leader of Redbridge Council in east London from 2009 to 2014, and is a councillor at Havering Council, also in east London.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
Amazon seem to believe that using pictures of guns in advertising pictures for James Bond would be triggering for folk.
Leaves you wondering - if they buy the movies on the basis of gunless posters, how triggered are they going to be when they watch the actual films?
To that extent alone, it makes for a very cynical exercise in exploiting the punters: wanting the easily-triggered to still buy a product they will find offensive. After they have paid.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It shouldn't, if it does then there's something wrong with their priorities.
Leaving the ECHR is perfectly compatible with One Nation views.
I've yet to ever hear a single good reason why we need the ECHR, when Australia, Canada and New Zealand do not. The fact we are on a different continent is utterly meaningless and irrelevant.
It’s not irrelevant. Whether you like it or not the ECHR is part of several important UK signed international agreements.
No Parliament can bind its successors, any agreements are always subject to change.
The fact we are in Europe and they are not is what I said was irrelevant.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
James Bond is best known for wielding his Walter PPK, but if you're looking for his signature sidearm on Amazon, you won't see it. Prime Video has made changes to its posters, and where Bond was initially holding a gun, it has been removed. Not only that, but the company appears to have done this using Photoshop, and it shows.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
James Bond is best known for wielding his Walter PPK, but if you're looking for his signature sidearm on Amazon, you won't see it. Prime Video has made changes to its posters, and where Bond was initially holding a gun, it has been removed. Not only that, but the company appears to have done this using Photoshop, and it shows.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It shouldn't, if it does then there's something wrong with their priorities.
Leaving the ECHR is perfectly compatible with One Nation views.
I've yet to ever hear a single good reason why we need the ECHR, when Australia, Canada and New Zealand do not. The fact we are on a different continent is utterly meaningless and irrelevant.
It’s not irrelevant. Whether you like it or not the ECHR is part of several important UK signed international agreements.
Its best Labour conference jokes were on the removal of ‘growth you can feel in your pocket’ from Keir's speech, and the slogan, Renew Britain – because Reform UK was already taken.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
Amazon seem to believe that using pictures of guns in advertising pictures for James Bond would be triggering for folk.
That must be why Amazon refuse to stream any films and series with any gun violence, well apart from the James Bond films they show, and the millions of other films etc where there are guns and shootings.
Bezos doesn’t strike me as being particularly woke or anything so I’m guessing he will be a bit annoyed at this and get it fixed.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
I don't know... if Labour is saying that, then maybe it's alright after all.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
Amazon seem to believe that using pictures of guns in advertising pictures for James Bond would be triggering for folk.
Leaves you wondering - if they buy the movies on the basis of gunless posters, how triggered are they going to be when they watch the actual films?
To that extent alone, it makes for a very cynical exercise in exploiting the punters: wanting the easily-triggered to still buy a product they will find offensive. After they have paid.
I don't know. If you were cynical then you might view this as shitpost as advertising. We all now know that Amazon hold the rights to James Bond, and that's where we need to go to pay to watch the films.
Plus we've been riled up, even just a little, by a company doing something needlessly stupid.
I've noticed a similar trend in spam social media posts. Often they now have obvious mistakes to provoke people into correcting them. Negative engagement is still engagement.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
Amazon seem to believe that using pictures of guns in advertising pictures for James Bond would be triggering for folk.
That must be why Amazon refuse to stream any films and series with any gun violence, well apart from the James Bond films they show, and the millions of other films etc where there are guns and shootings.
Bezos doesn’t strike me as being particularly woke or anything so I’m guessing he will be a bit annoyed at this and get it fixed.
That Reacher show, there is absolutely no over the top violence in that, other than perhaps 75% of every single episode.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
James Bond is best known for wielding his Walter PPK, but if you're looking for his signature sidearm on Amazon, you won't see it. Prime Video has made changes to its posters, and where Bond was initially holding a gun, it has been removed. Not only that, but the company appears to have done this using Photoshop, and it shows.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
James Bond is best known for wielding his Walter PPK, but if you're looking for his signature sidearm on Amazon, you won't see it. Prime Video has made changes to its posters, and where Bond was initially holding a gun, it has been removed. Not only that, but the company appears to have done this using Photoshop, and it shows.
I watched most of those movies but never clocked Bond holding a walter before. Wouldn't peg it as what he is best known for.
We are now almost entirely in the age of symbols whether it’s flegs, cock pistols or preferred signs on toilet doors. Nothing to be done except to wait for it to pass.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
Yes but they’re not leaving it. The government needs to do something on judges interpretation of Article 8 .
This has been the main issue .
Yep, their hope is that reform of it will nullify the articles that are commonly used to frustrate immigration policy. Leaving would have the same effect, among others. So to say leaving it won’t solve the problem is a bit disingenuous.
The right wing have decided that leaving the ECHR is now the next Brexit campaign and are trying to re-assemble the Leave coalition. Do you remember the Supreme Court case about whether Rwanda was a safe country . The judges clearly highlighted that the issue wasn’t just related to the ECHR but other rights conventions. So the UK will have to leave those aswell . The UK will also find it almost impossible to extradite criminals from EU countries , lose security co-operation , breach the EU UK trade deal and GFA .
EU Treaties do not allow certain aspects of law enforcement co-operation if you’re outside of the ECHR .
Those politicians peddling leaving the ECHR as easy and without huge problems are a bunch of liars.
Australia, Canada and New Zealand exist just fine without being ECHR members. Why are we so uniquely incapable of implementing our own fundamental rights?
Australia can also extradite criminals to the EU and vice-versa, so bizarre we would find it "almost impossible".
Almost as if you are talking complete and utter bullshit.
The UK as part of the EU trade and co-operation deal agreed on extradition which was reliant on the UK remaining in the ECHR . I’ve provided a link which should hopefully explain the impacts of leaving .
And before you rubbish the organisation it’s independent and just deals with facts .
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
Amazon seem to believe that using pictures of guns in advertising pictures for James Bond would be triggering for folk.
That must be why Amazon refuse to stream any films and series with any gun violence, well apart from the James Bond films they show, and the millions of other films etc where there are guns and shootings.
Bezos doesn’t strike me as being particularly woke or anything so I’m guessing he will be a bit annoyed at this and get it fixed.
This is why I never scrapped my DVD collection.
Nothing more annoying than Spotify, Amazon, Netflix or Disney buggering about with IP and access or brand rights in real-time.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It shouldn't, if it does then there's something wrong with their priorities.
Leaving the ECHR is perfectly compatible with One Nation views.
I've yet to ever hear a single good reason why we need the ECHR, when Australia, Canada and New Zealand do not. The fact we are on a different continent is utterly meaningless and irrelevant.
It’s not irrelevant. Whether you like it or not the ECHR is part of several important UK signed international agreements.
Tough. That's not going to save you, or it.
I don’t need to be saved thanks . Just providing facts as opposed to the myths peddled by those who just want to ignore reality .
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
Yes but they’re not leaving it. The government needs to do something on judges interpretation of Article 8 .
This has been the main issue .
Yep, their hope is that reform of it will nullify the articles that are commonly used to frustrate immigration policy. Leaving would have the same effect, among others. So to say leaving it won’t solve the problem is a bit disingenuous.
The right wing have decided that leaving the ECHR is now the next Brexit campaign and are trying to re-assemble the Leave coalition. Do you remember the Supreme Court case about whether Rwanda was a safe country . The judges clearly highlighted that the issue wasn’t just related to the ECHR but other rights conventions. So the UK will have to leave those aswell . The UK will also find it almost impossible to extradite criminals from EU countries , lose security co-operation , breach the EU UK trade deal and GFA .
EU Treaties do not allow certain aspects of law enforcement co-operation if you’re outside of the ECHR .
Those politicians peddling leaving the ECHR as easy and without huge problems are a bunch of liars.
Australia, Canada and New Zealand exist just fine without being ECHR members. Why are we so uniquely incapable of implementing our own fundamental rights?
Australia can also extradite criminals to the EU and vice-versa, so bizarre we would find it "almost impossible".
Almost as if you are talking complete and utter bullshit.
The UK as part of the EU trade and co-operation deal agreed on extradition which was reliant on the UK remaining in the ECHR . I’ve provided a link which should hopefully explain the impacts of leaving .
And before you rubbish the organisation it’s independent and just deals with facts .
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
James Bond is best known for wielding his Walter PPK, but if you're looking for his signature sidearm on Amazon, you won't see it. Prime Video has made changes to its posters, and where Bond was initially holding a gun, it has been removed. Not only that, but the company appears to have done this using Photoshop, and it shows.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
Amazon seem to believe that using pictures of guns in advertising pictures for James Bond would be triggering for folk.
That must be why Amazon refuse to stream any films and series with any gun violence, well apart from the James Bond films they show, and the millions of other films etc where there are guns and shootings.
Bezos doesn’t strike me as being particularly woke or anything so I’m guessing he will be a bit annoyed at this and get it fixed.
That Reacher show, there is absolutely no over the top violence in that, other than perhaps 75% of every single episode.
Isn't there some AI gubbins that some advertisers use to block certain images to kids, which might be above the age restriction for the film?
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
James Bond is best known for wielding his Walter PPK, but if you're looking for his signature sidearm on Amazon, you won't see it. Prime Video has made changes to its posters, and where Bond was initially holding a gun, it has been removed. Not only that, but the company appears to have done this using Photoshop, and it shows.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
Amazon seem to believe that using pictures of guns in advertising pictures for James Bond would be triggering for folk.
That must be why Amazon refuse to stream any films and series with any gun violence, well apart from the James Bond films they show, and the millions of other films etc where there are guns and shootings.
Bezos doesn’t strike me as being particularly woke or anything so I’m guessing he will be a bit annoyed at this and get it fixed.
This is why I never scrapped my DVD collection.
Nothing more annoying than Spotify, Amazon, Netflix or Disney buggering about with IP and access or brand rights in real-time.
Microsoft / XBox have managed to piss off million of gamers with a similar move, pay double otherwise you can't access loads of things you used to get as part of your subscription, and even then you still can't have all the things you used to get.
The joys of a subscription model. You will own nothing.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
Yes but they’re not leaving it. The government needs to do something on judges interpretation of Article 8 .
This has been the main issue .
Yep, their hope is that reform of it will nullify the articles that are commonly used to frustrate immigration policy. Leaving would have the same effect, among others. So to say leaving it won’t solve the problem is a bit disingenuous.
The right wing have decided that leaving the ECHR is now the next Brexit campaign and are trying to re-assemble the Leave coalition. Do you remember the Supreme Court case about whether Rwanda was a safe country . The judges clearly highlighted that the issue wasn’t just related to the ECHR but other rights conventions. So the UK will have to leave those aswell . The UK will also find it almost impossible to extradite criminals from EU countries , lose security co-operation , breach the EU UK trade deal and GFA .
EU Treaties do not allow certain aspects of law enforcement co-operation if you’re outside of the ECHR .
Those politicians peddling leaving the ECHR as easy and without huge problems are a bunch of liars.
Australia, Canada and New Zealand exist just fine without being ECHR members. Why are we so uniquely incapable of implementing our own fundamental rights?
Australia can also extradite criminals to the EU and vice-versa, so bizarre we would find it "almost impossible".
Almost as if you are talking complete and utter bullshit.
The UK as part of the EU trade and co-operation deal agreed on extradition which was reliant on the UK remaining in the ECHR . I’ve provided a link which should hopefully explain the impacts of leaving .
And before you rubbish the organisation it’s independent and just deals with facts .
Agreements are subject to change and templates exist already for extradition with non-ECHR nations like Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
Why would we, uniquely, find it "almost impossible" to replicate that?
Its completely lazy and ignorant thinking to believe that change is impossible.
I never said change was impossible! Do you seriously think after all the Brexit psychodrama the EU are going to indulge more from the UK . And of course Farage threatening to rip up the new UK EU deal is going to really help matters !
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
James Bond is best known for wielding his Walter PPK, but if you're looking for his signature sidearm on Amazon, you won't see it. Prime Video has made changes to its posters, and where Bond was initially holding a gun, it has been removed. Not only that, but the company appears to have done this using Photoshop, and it shows.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It shouldn't, if it does then there's something wrong with their priorities.
Leaving the ECHR is perfectly compatible with One Nation views.
I've yet to ever hear a single good reason why we need the ECHR, when Australia, Canada and New Zealand do not. The fact we are on a different continent is utterly meaningless and irrelevant.
It’s not irrelevant. Whether you like it or not the ECHR is part of several important UK signed international agreements.
Tough. That's not going to save you, or it.
I don’t need to be saved thanks . Just providing facts as opposed to the myths peddled by those who just want to ignore reality .
No facts.
The fact is the EU extradites to non-ECHR nations already today, contrary to your BS. Agreements and templates for agreements already exist.
If we have an agreement that relies upon it, we will need to reach a new one that does not if we leave. That's not impossible, the template for how to do that is already out there.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
James Bond is best known for wielding his Walter PPK, but if you're looking for his signature sidearm on Amazon, you won't see it. Prime Video has made changes to its posters, and where Bond was initially holding a gun, it has been removed. Not only that, but the company appears to have done this using Photoshop, and it shows.
What have they replaced the Walther PPK with - a bunch of flowers?
I suspect it might start some piss-taking memes. A large dildo could be funny...
Have you played the Hitman games? (And the studio that made them - IO Interactive - has just been handed the Bond franchise.)
Flowers as an offensive weapon are practically de rigeur.
The preview game play they released for it looked promising. Albeit slightly concerned how aging the game engine they used for those Hitman games was even back then.
Prince is a career local politician - it's his only job - and representing Havering & Redbridge - Havering being pretty much reform central in London - he simpky sees that standing for Reform is his only chance of holding his assembly seat. His politics arent particularly extreme, and since the sole Reform GLA member and presumably now group leader is one of his former Redbridge councillors who fell out with his fellow Tories during Prince's leadership, I would imagine a fair amount of humble pie was needed from Prince - although enabling Reform to form a group on the assembly represents a significant benefit to them.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Labour are planning to change the legal framework around this. If it works, it will be a moot point. If it doesn't work, then support for leaving will only grow.
Liberals and internationalists should be proposing a new framework for modern times rather than doggedly protecting the status quo as if it is scripture.
The ECHR goes back to the Congress of Europe in 1948, convened by Churchill (Conservative), Adenauer (Christian Democrat) and Mitterrand (Socialist). The lead person in drafting it was David Maxwell Fyfe, a UK Conservative MP. It is as much a product of conservatism as anything else, but conservatism has lost its way.
So what?
It's not working today, and needs either fundamental reform or a new settlement.
It works fine. It's just become a bogeyman for Daily Telegraph headlines.
Does it?
Things change, and it might be that laws require fettling as a consequence. A law that is unchanging might soon become bad law, however well-intentioned the drafters were, and good the law was at first.
As an example: AIUI the international law on refugees was largely written at a time that refers directly back to the WW2 experience, and was undoubtedly good at that time. But times change. Whilst many refugees are still fleeing warfare, there are also many economic refugees, and also some countries are using refugees as a form of warfare. Travel is also much easier.
In addition, countries cannot be expected to take unlimited numbers of refugees.
So: we either rewrite the international law on refugees to reflect the modern world, or risk increasing numbers of countries ignoring it.
Indeed:
This is the key point, and what instead is happening is that (other than a few centrist dads ), the world is polarizing between:
1. We must remove all limitations on State power to do whatever they like. 2. The ECHR must never be altered in any way, shape or form, even if it is clearly no longer fit for purpose.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
James Bond is best known for wielding his Walter PPK, but if you're looking for his signature sidearm on Amazon, you won't see it. Prime Video has made changes to its posters, and where Bond was initially holding a gun, it has been removed. Not only that, but the company appears to have done this using Photoshop, and it shows.
Walther PPK, Jimmy B’s preferred sidearm apparently.
Come to that why is a foundation stone of British cultural significance punting a hun pistol?
Wielding a walther p sounds far less gay I guess.
Delving deeper into the psyches of those in Bondage, it seems Flemming had him using a Beretta until an expert told him it was a lady’s gun. Thank goodness for British manhood that he made the change.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
Yes but they’re not leaving it. The government needs to do something on judges interpretation of Article 8 .
This has been the main issue .
Yep, their hope is that reform of it will nullify the articles that are commonly used to frustrate immigration policy. Leaving would have the same effect, among others. So to say leaving it won’t solve the problem is a bit disingenuous.
The right wing have decided that leaving the ECHR is now the next Brexit campaign and are trying to re-assemble the Leave coalition. Do you remember the Supreme Court case about whether Rwanda was a safe country . The judges clearly highlighted that the issue wasn’t just related to the ECHR but other rights conventions. So the UK will have to leave those aswell . The UK will also find it almost impossible to extradite criminals from EU countries , lose security co-operation , breach the EU UK trade deal and GFA .
EU Treaties do not allow certain aspects of law enforcement co-operation if you’re outside of the ECHR .
Those politicians peddling leaving the ECHR as easy and without huge problems are a bunch of liars.
Australia, Canada and New Zealand exist just fine without being ECHR members. Why are we so uniquely incapable of implementing our own fundamental rights?
Australia can also extradite criminals to the EU and vice-versa, so bizarre we would find it "almost impossible".
Almost as if you are talking complete and utter bullshit.
The UK as part of the EU trade and co-operation deal agreed on extradition which was reliant on the UK remaining in the ECHR . I’ve provided a link which should hopefully explain the impacts of leaving .
And before you rubbish the organisation it’s independent and just deals with facts .
Agreements are subject to change and templates exist already for extradition with non-ECHR nations like Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
Why would we, uniquely, find it "almost impossible" to replicate that?
Its completely lazy and ignorant thinking to believe that change is impossible.
I never said change was impossible! Do you seriously think after all the Brexit psychodrama the EU are going to indulge more from the UK . And of course Farage threatening to rip up the new UK EU deal is going to really help matters !
The fact of the matter is that as a third country we are free to negotiate as we wish. If the EU doesn’t like it, are they going to pull a full trade deal? Unlikely. They’ll extract a price in return - a price that we can all debate whether it is worth paying or not. Nor am I under some kind of illusion that we hold all the cards in such a situation, etc etc. But the fact of the matter is that the EU and UK will renegotiate/readjust their deals from time to time. It’s what happens in trade relationships.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
Yes but they’re not leaving it. The government needs to do something on judges interpretation of Article 8 .
This has been the main issue .
Yep, their hope is that reform of it will nullify the articles that are commonly used to frustrate immigration policy. Leaving would have the same effect, among others. So to say leaving it won’t solve the problem is a bit disingenuous.
The right wing have decided that leaving the ECHR is now the next Brexit campaign and are trying to re-assemble the Leave coalition. Do you remember the Supreme Court case about whether Rwanda was a safe country . The judges clearly highlighted that the issue wasn’t just related to the ECHR but other rights conventions. So the UK will have to leave those aswell . The UK will also find it almost impossible to extradite criminals from EU countries , lose security co-operation , breach the EU UK trade deal and GFA .
EU Treaties do not allow certain aspects of law enforcement co-operation if you’re outside of the ECHR .
Those politicians peddling leaving the ECHR as easy and without huge problems are a bunch of liars.
Australia, Canada and New Zealand exist just fine without being ECHR members. Why are we so uniquely incapable of implementing our own fundamental rights?
Australia can also extradite criminals to the EU and vice-versa, so bizarre we would find it "almost impossible".
Almost as if you are talking complete and utter bullshit.
The UK as part of the EU trade and co-operation deal agreed on extradition which was reliant on the UK remaining in the ECHR . I’ve provided a link which should hopefully explain the impacts of leaving .
And before you rubbish the organisation it’s independent and just deals with facts .
Agreements are subject to change and templates exist already for extradition with non-ECHR nations like Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
Why would we, uniquely, find it "almost impossible" to replicate that?
Its completely lazy and ignorant thinking to believe that change is impossible.
I never said change was impossible! Do you seriously think after all the Brexit psychodrama the EU are going to indulge more from the UK . And of course Farage threatening to rip up the new UK EU deal is going to really help matters !
You literally said "the UK will also find it almost impossible to extradite criminals from EU countries".
Despite the EU having international agreements to extradite criminals to non-ECHR nations already.
And the EU will have to deal with us as a third party whether they want to or not, that's how international relations work. Its also how democracy works.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
James Bond is best known for wielding his Walter PPK, but if you're looking for his signature sidearm on Amazon, you won't see it. Prime Video has made changes to its posters, and where Bond was initially holding a gun, it has been removed. Not only that, but the company appears to have done this using Photoshop, and it shows.
What have they replaced the Walther PPK with - a bunch of flowers?
I suspect it might start some piss-taking memes. A large dildo could be funny...
Have you played the Hitman games? (And the studio that made them - IO Interactive - has just been handed the Bond franchise.)
Flowers as an offensive weapon are practically de rigeur.
The preview game play they released for it looked promising. Albeit slightly concerned how aging the game engine they used for those Hitman games was even back then.
Their engine - which I believe is proprietary - is optimised for lots and lots of people (which it does really well). But it's looking very dated in other ways.
Prince is a career local politician - it's his only job - and representing Havering & Redbridge - Havering being pretty much reform central in London - he simpky sees that standing for Reform is his only chance of holding his assembly seat. His politics arent particularly extreme, and since the sole Reform GLA member and presumably now group leader is one of his former Redbridge councillors who fell out with his fellow Tories during Prince's leadership, I would imagine a fair amount of humble pie was needed from Prince - although enabling Reform to form a group on the assembly represents a significant benefit to them.
Said Reform GLA member is Alex Wilson who was at university with me and I know a bit from campaigning for IDS too in 2019.
I suspect Alex will have enjoyed asking Prince what first attracted him to join the poll leading Reform Party from the polling third Tories?
Though Kemi will give a sigh of relief no further Tory MPs have left yet
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
James Bond is best known for wielding his Walter PPK, but if you're looking for his signature sidearm on Amazon, you won't see it. Prime Video has made changes to its posters, and where Bond was initially holding a gun, it has been removed. Not only that, but the company appears to have done this using Photoshop, and it shows.
Walther PPK, Jimmy B’s preferred sidearm apparently.
Come to that why is a foundation stone of British cultural significance punting a hun pistol?
Good question. It’s explained in the books, and at the start of the first movie. But it’s too dull to set out here and I’m not sure I understood correctly anyway.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Labour are planning to change the legal framework around this. If it works, it will be a moot point. If it doesn't work, then support for leaving will only grow.
Liberals and internationalists should be proposing a new framework for modern times rather than doggedly protecting the status quo as if it is scripture.
The ECHR goes back to the Congress of Europe in 1948, convened by Churchill (Conservative), Adenauer (Christian Democrat) and Mitterrand (Socialist). The lead person in drafting it was David Maxwell Fyfe, a UK Conservative MP. It is as much a product of conservatism as anything else, but conservatism has lost its way.
So what?
It's not working today, and needs either fundamental reform or a new settlement.
It works fine. It's just become a bogeyman for Daily Telegraph headlines.
Does it?
Things change, and it might be that laws require fettling as a consequence. A law that is unchanging might soon become bad law, however well-intentioned the drafters were, and good the law was at first.
As an example: AIUI the international law on refugees was largely written at a time that refers directly back to the WW2 experience, and was undoubtedly good at that time. But times change. Whilst many refugees are still fleeing warfare, there are also many economic refugees, and also some countries are using refugees as a form of warfare. Travel is also much easier.
In addition, countries cannot be expected to take unlimited numbers of refugees.
So: we either rewrite the international law on refugees to reflect the modern world, or risk increasing numbers of countries ignoring it.
Indeed:
This is the key point, and what instead is happening is that (other than a few centrist dads ), the world is polarizing between:
1. We must remove all limitations on State power to do whatever they like. 2. The ECHR must never be altered in any way, shape or form, even if it is clearly no longer fit for purpose.
I think some people are in group 2 because they anticipate a Reform/MAGA-type government going for group 1. That's why we need some strong centrist-dad leadership now that sees us reform the convention OR withdraw from it and replace with our own set of laws that closely resembles it. The former option would seem easier.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
James Bond is best known for wielding his Walter PPK, but if you're looking for his signature sidearm on Amazon, you won't see it. Prime Video has made changes to its posters, and where Bond was initially holding a gun, it has been removed. Not only that, but the company appears to have done this using Photoshop, and it shows.
Walther PPK, Jimmy B’s preferred sidearm apparently.
Come to that why is a foundation stone of British cultural significance punting a hun pistol?
Wielding a walther p sounds far less gay I guess.
Delving deeper into the psyches of those in Bondage, it seems Flemming had him using a Beretta until an expert told him it was a lady’s gun. Thank goodness for British manhood that he made the change.
I always presumed he used the Walter PPK because it was small so wouldn’t ruin the the shape of the suit.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
Yes but they’re not leaving it. The government needs to do something on judges interpretation of Article 8 .
This has been the main issue .
Yep, their hope is that reform of it will nullify the articles that are commonly used to frustrate immigration policy. Leaving would have the same effect, among others. So to say leaving it won’t solve the problem is a bit disingenuous.
The right wing have decided that leaving the ECHR is now the next Brexit campaign and are trying to re-assemble the Leave coalition. Do you remember the Supreme Court case about whether Rwanda was a safe country . The judges clearly highlighted that the issue wasn’t just related to the ECHR but other rights conventions. So the UK will have to leave those aswell . The UK will also find it almost impossible to extradite criminals from EU countries , lose security co-operation , breach the EU UK trade deal and GFA .
EU Treaties do not allow certain aspects of law enforcement co-operation if you’re outside of the ECHR .
Those politicians peddling leaving the ECHR as easy and without huge problems are a bunch of liars.
Australia, Canada and New Zealand exist just fine without being ECHR members. Why are we so uniquely incapable of implementing our own fundamental rights?
Australia can also extradite criminals to the EU and vice-versa, so bizarre we would find it "almost impossible".
Almost as if you are talking complete and utter bullshit.
The UK as part of the EU trade and co-operation deal agreed on extradition which was reliant on the UK remaining in the ECHR . I’ve provided a link which should hopefully explain the impacts of leaving .
And before you rubbish the organisation it’s independent and just deals with facts .
Agreements are subject to change and templates exist already for extradition with non-ECHR nations like Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
Why would we, uniquely, find it "almost impossible" to replicate that?
Its completely lazy and ignorant thinking to believe that change is impossible.
I never said change was impossible! Do you seriously think after all the Brexit psychodrama the EU are going to indulge more from the UK . And of course Farage threatening to rip up the new UK EU deal is going to really help matters !
The fact of the matter is that as a third country we are free to negotiate as we wish. If the EU doesn’t like it, are they going to pull a full trade deal? Unlikely. They’ll extract a price in return - a price that we can all debate whether it is worth paying or not. Nor am I under some kind of illusion that we hold all the cards in such a situation, etc etc. But the fact of the matter is that the EU and UK will renegotiate/readjust their deals from time to time. It’s what happens in trade relationships.
I thought we’d left the Brexit drama behind . Reform and the Tories just want another scapegoat the ECHR and then will move onto something else when the public are still angry about the state of the country . I have no issue with the ECHR being reformed or the government doing something re judges interpretation of Article 8 but leaving and being in the exalted company of Russia and Belarus , no thanks !
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
Yes but they’re not leaving it. The government needs to do something on judges interpretation of Article 8 .
This has been the main issue .
Yep, their hope is that reform of it will nullify the articles that are commonly used to frustrate immigration policy. Leaving would have the same effect, among others. So to say leaving it won’t solve the problem is a bit disingenuous.
The right wing have decided that leaving the ECHR is now the next Brexit campaign and are trying to re-assemble the Leave coalition. Do you remember the Supreme Court case about whether Rwanda was a safe country . The judges clearly highlighted that the issue wasn’t just related to the ECHR but other rights conventions. So the UK will have to leave those aswell . The UK will also find it almost impossible to extradite criminals from EU countries , lose security co-operation , breach the EU UK trade deal and GFA .
EU Treaties do not allow certain aspects of law enforcement co-operation if you’re outside of the ECHR .
Those politicians peddling leaving the ECHR as easy and without huge problems are a bunch of liars.
Australia, Canada and New Zealand exist just fine without being ECHR members. Why are we so uniquely incapable of implementing our own fundamental rights?
Australia can also extradite criminals to the EU and vice-versa, so bizarre we would find it "almost impossible".
Almost as if you are talking complete and utter bullshit.
The UK as part of the EU trade and co-operation deal agreed on extradition which was reliant on the UK remaining in the ECHR . I’ve provided a link which should hopefully explain the impacts of leaving .
And before you rubbish the organisation it’s independent and just deals with facts .
Agreements are subject to change and templates exist already for extradition with non-ECHR nations like Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
Why would we, uniquely, find it "almost impossible" to replicate that?
Its completely lazy and ignorant thinking to believe that change is impossible.
I never said change was impossible! Do you seriously think after all the Brexit psychodrama the EU are going to indulge more from the UK . And of course Farage threatening to rip up the new UK EU deal is going to really help matters !
The fact of the matter is that as a third country we are free to negotiate as we wish. If the EU doesn’t like it, are they going to pull a full trade deal? Unlikely. They’ll extract a price in return - a price that we can all debate whether it is worth paying or not. Nor am I under some kind of illusion that we hold all the cards in such a situation, etc etc. But the fact of the matter is that the EU and UK will renegotiate/readjust their deals from time to time. It’s what happens in trade relationships.
I thought we’d left the Brexit drama behind . Reform and the Tories just want another scapegoat the ECHR and then will move onto something else when the public are still angry about the state of the country . I have no issue with the ECHR being reformed or the government doing something re judges interpretation of Article 8 but leaving and being in the exalted company of Russia and Belarus , no thanks !
Why Russia and Belarus, as opposed to the same company as our fellow Common Law, Parliamentary democracy cousins in Australia, Canada and New Zealand?
Give me one good reason. Geography is not a good reason.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
James Bond is best known for wielding his Walter PPK, but if you're looking for his signature sidearm on Amazon, you won't see it. Prime Video has made changes to its posters, and where Bond was initially holding a gun, it has been removed. Not only that, but the company appears to have done this using Photoshop, and it shows.
What have they replaced the Walther PPK with - a bunch of flowers?
I suspect it might start some piss-taking memes. A large dildo could be funny...
Have you played the Hitman games? (And the studio that made them - IO Interactive - has just been handed the Bond franchise.)
Flowers as an offensive weapon are practically de rigeur.
The preview game play they released for it looked promising. Albeit slightly concerned how aging the game engine they used for those Hitman games was even back then.
Their engine - which I believe is proprietary - is optimised for lots and lots of people (which it does really well). But it's looking very dated in other ways.
The way graphics have changed is staggering. I remember really enjoying an Acorn Archimedes game called Interdictor in about 1990, and wishing the graphics in the game were as good as the ones on the box. The ones on the box are now laughably dated.
The Conservatives will take the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) if they win the next election, Kemi Badenoch has announced.
The announcement comes after a review by the Conservative party's lead lawyer found staying in the ECHR blocks migration reform and leads to the persecution of military veterans.
After all the bother with NI and Brexit, you'd think that the Tories would have learnt something and rememebred something by now. The Bourbon biscuits of our time?
I don't think that losing Northern Ireland would be as an existential issue for a PM (any PM) as losing Wales or Scotland. They've been half out of the door for a long time and retention feels more like a Westminster project than one the regions are fully committed too.
I would think the point is that the Tories of all people would insist on keeping NI. .
The Conservatives will take the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) if they win the next election, Kemi Badenoch has announced.
The announcement comes after a review by the Conservative party's lead lawyer found staying in the ECHR blocks migration reform and leads to the persecution of military veterans.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
Yes but they’re not leaving it. The government needs to do something on judges interpretation of Article 8 .
This has been the main issue .
Yep, their hope is that reform of it will nullify the articles that are commonly used to frustrate immigration policy. Leaving would have the same effect, among others. So to say leaving it won’t solve the problem is a bit disingenuous.
The right wing have decided that leaving the ECHR is now the next Brexit campaign and are trying to re-assemble the Leave coalition. Do you remember the Supreme Court case about whether Rwanda was a safe country . The judges clearly highlighted that the issue wasn’t just related to the ECHR but other rights conventions. So the UK will have to leave those aswell . The UK will also find it almost impossible to extradite criminals from EU countries , lose security co-operation , breach the EU UK trade deal and GFA .
EU Treaties do not allow certain aspects of law enforcement co-operation if you’re outside of the ECHR .
Those politicians peddling leaving the ECHR as easy and without huge problems are a bunch of liars.
Australia, Canada and New Zealand exist just fine without being ECHR members. Why are we so uniquely incapable of implementing our own fundamental rights?
Australia can also extradite criminals to the EU and vice-versa, so bizarre we would find it "almost impossible".
Almost as if you are talking complete and utter bullshit.
The UK as part of the EU trade and co-operation deal agreed on extradition which was reliant on the UK remaining in the ECHR . I’ve provided a link which should hopefully explain the impacts of leaving .
And before you rubbish the organisation it’s independent and just deals with facts .
Agreements are subject to change and templates exist already for extradition with non-ECHR nations like Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
Why would we, uniquely, find it "almost impossible" to replicate that?
Its completely lazy and ignorant thinking to believe that change is impossible.
I never said change was impossible! Do you seriously think after all the Brexit psychodrama the EU are going to indulge more from the UK . And of course Farage threatening to rip up the new UK EU deal is going to really help matters !
The fact of the matter is that as a third country we are free to negotiate as we wish. If the EU doesn’t like it, are they going to pull a full trade deal? Unlikely. They’ll extract a price in return - a price that we can all debate whether it is worth paying or not. Nor am I under some kind of illusion that we hold all the cards in such a situation, etc etc. But the fact of the matter is that the EU and UK will renegotiate/readjust their deals from time to time. It’s what happens in trade relationships.
I thought we’d left the Brexit drama behind . Reform and the Tories just want another scapegoat the ECHR and then will move onto something else when the public are still angry about the state of the country . I have no issue with the ECHR being reformed or the government doing something re judges interpretation of Article 8 but leaving and being in the exalted company of Russia and Belarus , no thanks !
Why Russia and Belarus, as opposed to the same company Australia, Canada and New Zealand?
Give me one good reason. Geography is not a good reason.
I don’t trust Reform or the Tories to protect the public’s rights . Leaving the ECHR should need a referendum and not a manifesto commitment as a party could be elected with far less than a majority voting .
The Conservatives will take the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) if they win the next election, Kemi Badenoch has announced.
The announcement comes after a review by the Conservative party's lead lawyer found staying in the ECHR blocks migration reform and leads to the persecution of military veterans.
After all the bother with NI and Brexit, you'd think that the Tories would have learnt something and rememebred something by now. The Bourbon biscuits of our time?
I don't think that losing Northern Ireland would be as an existential issue for a PM (any PM) as losing Wales or Scotland. They've been half out of the door for a long time and retention feels more like a Westminster project than one the regions are fully committed too.
I would think the point is that the Tories of all people would insist on keeping NI. Even after plunging it into chaos, and upsetting the EU, notably Ireland as already pointed out.
We should be seeking to abolish NI, I've said so all along.
The bit of land with Belfast in it can piss off too.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
The owners of the IP sold it to some rich Americans who don't understand the thing they have bought and are going to make a mess of it.
It's the risk you take when you allow people to buy and sell stuff freely.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Labour are planning to change the legal framework around this. If it works, it will be a moot point. If it doesn't work, then support for leaving will only grow.
Liberals and internationalists should be proposing a new framework for modern times rather than doggedly protecting the status quo as if it is scripture.
The ECHR goes back to the Congress of Europe in 1948, convened by Churchill (Conservative), Adenauer (Christian Democrat) and Mitterrand (Socialist). The lead person in drafting it was David Maxwell Fyfe, a UK Conservative MP. It is as much a product of conservatism as anything else, but conservatism has lost its way.
So what?
It's not working today, and needs either fundamental reform or a new settlement.
It works fine. It's just become a bogeyman for Daily Telegraph headlines.
Does it?
Things change, and it might be that laws require fettling as a consequence. A law that is unchanging might soon become bad law, however well-intentioned the drafters were, and good the law was at first.
As an example: AIUI the international law on refugees was largely written at a time that refers directly back to the WW2 experience, and was undoubtedly good at that time. But times change. Whilst many refugees are still fleeing warfare, there are also many economic refugees, and also some countries are using refugees as a form of warfare. Travel is also much easier.
In addition, countries cannot be expected to take unlimited numbers of refugees.
So: we either rewrite the international law on refugees to reflect the modern world, or risk increasing numbers of countries ignoring it.
Indeed:
This is the key point, and what instead is happening is that (other than a few centrist dads ), the world is polarizing between:
1. We must remove all limitations on State power to do whatever they like. 2. The ECHR must never be altered in any way, shape or form, even if it is clearly no longer fit for purpose.
You've spent too much time in the US. Are Reform supporters really very radical? They want border control, leaders who actually like this country (rather than valueless diversity and multiculturalism) and a thriving economy.
Whether Farage is the answer to their prayers is another matter.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
Yes but they’re not leaving it. The government needs to do something on judges interpretation of Article 8 .
This has been the main issue .
Yep, their hope is that reform of it will nullify the articles that are commonly used to frustrate immigration policy. Leaving would have the same effect, among others. So to say leaving it won’t solve the problem is a bit disingenuous.
The right wing have decided that leaving the ECHR is now the next Brexit campaign and are trying to re-assemble the Leave coalition. Do you remember the Supreme Court case about whether Rwanda was a safe country . The judges clearly highlighted that the issue wasn’t just related to the ECHR but other rights conventions. So the UK will have to leave those aswell . The UK will also find it almost impossible to extradite criminals from EU countries , lose security co-operation , breach the EU UK trade deal and GFA .
EU Treaties do not allow certain aspects of law enforcement co-operation if you’re outside of the ECHR .
Those politicians peddling leaving the ECHR as easy and without huge problems are a bunch of liars.
Australia, Canada and New Zealand exist just fine without being ECHR members. Why are we so uniquely incapable of implementing our own fundamental rights?
Australia can also extradite criminals to the EU and vice-versa, so bizarre we would find it "almost impossible".
Almost as if you are talking complete and utter bullshit.
The UK as part of the EU trade and co-operation deal agreed on extradition which was reliant on the UK remaining in the ECHR . I’ve provided a link which should hopefully explain the impacts of leaving .
And before you rubbish the organisation it’s independent and just deals with facts .
Agreements are subject to change and templates exist already for extradition with non-ECHR nations like Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
Why would we, uniquely, find it "almost impossible" to replicate that?
Its completely lazy and ignorant thinking to believe that change is impossible.
I never said change was impossible! Do you seriously think after all the Brexit psychodrama the EU are going to indulge more from the UK . And of course Farage threatening to rip up the new UK EU deal is going to really help matters !
The fact of the matter is that as a third country we are free to negotiate as we wish. If the EU doesn’t like it, are they going to pull a full trade deal? Unlikely. They’ll extract a price in return - a price that we can all debate whether it is worth paying or not. Nor am I under some kind of illusion that we hold all the cards in such a situation, etc etc. But the fact of the matter is that the EU and UK will renegotiate/readjust their deals from time to time. It’s what happens in trade relationships.
I thought we’d left the Brexit drama behind . Reform and the Tories just want another scapegoat the ECHR and then will move onto something else when the public are still angry about the state of the country . I have no issue with the ECHR being reformed or the government doing something re judges interpretation of Article 8 but leaving and being in the exalted company of Russia and Belarus , no thanks !
Why Russia and Belarus, as opposed to the same company Australia, Canada and New Zealand?
Give me one good reason. Geography is not a good reason.
I don’t trust Reform or the Tories to protect the public’s rights . Leaving the ECHR should need a referendum and not a manifesto commitment as a party could be elected with far less than a majority voting .
There was no referendum to adopt it, so no reason to need a referendum to leave it either.
Australia, Canada and New Zealand are all democracies, are they not? And none of them are in the ECHR. What makes us different to them?
Geography has nothing to do with human rights. We're the same type of humans as Aussies and Canadians.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
Yes but they’re not leaving it. The government needs to do something on judges interpretation of Article 8 .
This has been the main issue .
Yep, their hope is that reform of it will nullify the articles that are commonly used to frustrate immigration policy. Leaving would have the same effect, among others. So to say leaving it won’t solve the problem is a bit disingenuous.
The right wing have decided that leaving the ECHR is now the next Brexit campaign and are trying to re-assemble the Leave coalition. Do you remember the Supreme Court case about whether Rwanda was a safe country . The judges clearly highlighted that the issue wasn’t just related to the ECHR but other rights conventions. So the UK will have to leave those aswell . The UK will also find it almost impossible to extradite criminals from EU countries , lose security co-operation , breach the EU UK trade deal and GFA .
EU Treaties do not allow certain aspects of law enforcement co-operation if you’re outside of the ECHR .
Those politicians peddling leaving the ECHR as easy and without huge problems are a bunch of liars.
Australia, Canada and New Zealand exist just fine without being ECHR members. Why are we so uniquely incapable of implementing our own fundamental rights?
Australia can also extradite criminals to the EU and vice-versa, so bizarre we would find it "almost impossible".
Almost as if you are talking complete and utter bullshit.
The UK as part of the EU trade and co-operation deal agreed on extradition which was reliant on the UK remaining in the ECHR . I’ve provided a link which should hopefully explain the impacts of leaving .
And before you rubbish the organisation it’s independent and just deals with facts .
Agreements are subject to change and templates exist already for extradition with non-ECHR nations like Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
Why would we, uniquely, find it "almost impossible" to replicate that?
Its completely lazy and ignorant thinking to believe that change is impossible.
I never said change was impossible! Do you seriously think after all the Brexit psychodrama the EU are going to indulge more from the UK . And of course Farage threatening to rip up the new UK EU deal is going to really help matters !
The fact of the matter is that as a third country we are free to negotiate as we wish. If the EU doesn’t like it, are they going to pull a full trade deal? Unlikely. They’ll extract a price in return - a price that we can all debate whether it is worth paying or not. Nor am I under some kind of illusion that we hold all the cards in such a situation, etc etc. But the fact of the matter is that the EU and UK will renegotiate/readjust their deals from time to time. It’s what happens in trade relationships.
I thought we’d left the Brexit drama behind
Ha ha! How charmingly naiive!
But I'd agree with the point that it just looks like scapegoating, and reforming or just taking some action re judicial interpretations seems like it would surely work better.
It's also far easier than with the EU to make it look like a terrible idea, and even less understood so I don't think they would ever get the same level of mass support for the idea.
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
Yes but they’re not leaving it. The government needs to do something on judges interpretation of Article 8 .
This has been the main issue .
Yep, their hope is that reform of it will nullify the articles that are commonly used to frustrate immigration policy. Leaving would have the same effect, among others. So to say leaving it won’t solve the problem is a bit disingenuous.
The right wing have decided that leaving the ECHR is now the next Brexit campaign and are trying to re-assemble the Leave coalition. Do you remember the Supreme Court case about whether Rwanda was a safe country . The judges clearly highlighted that the issue wasn’t just related to the ECHR but other rights conventions. So the UK will have to leave those aswell . The UK will also find it almost impossible to extradite criminals from EU countries , lose security co-operation , breach the EU UK trade deal and GFA .
EU Treaties do not allow certain aspects of law enforcement co-operation if you’re outside of the ECHR .
Those politicians peddling leaving the ECHR as easy and without huge problems are a bunch of liars.
If a country can't torture its citizens at will without outside interference (which is the only reason any country has left the Council of Europe) then what's the point?
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Even Labour are saying the ECHR needs reform, so there must be something wrong with it.
Yes but they’re not leaving it. The government needs to do something on judges interpretation of Article 8 .
This has been the main issue .
Yep, their hope is that reform of it will nullify the articles that are commonly used to frustrate immigration policy. Leaving would have the same effect, among others. So to say leaving it won’t solve the problem is a bit disingenuous.
The right wing have decided that leaving the ECHR is now the next Brexit campaign and are trying to re-assemble the Leave coalition. Do you remember the Supreme Court case about whether Rwanda was a safe country . The judges clearly highlighted that the issue wasn’t just related to the ECHR but other rights conventions. So the UK will have to leave those aswell . The UK will also find it almost impossible to extradite criminals from EU countries , lose security co-operation , breach the EU UK trade deal and GFA .
EU Treaties do not allow certain aspects of law enforcement co-operation if you’re outside of the ECHR .
Those politicians peddling leaving the ECHR as easy and without huge problems are a bunch of liars.
Australia, Canada and New Zealand exist just fine without being ECHR members. Why are we so uniquely incapable of implementing our own fundamental rights?
Australia can also extradite criminals to the EU and vice-versa, so bizarre we would find it "almost impossible".
Almost as if you are talking complete and utter bullshit.
The UK as part of the EU trade and co-operation deal agreed on extradition which was reliant on the UK remaining in the ECHR . I’ve provided a link which should hopefully explain the impacts of leaving .
And before you rubbish the organisation it’s independent and just deals with facts .
Agreements are subject to change and templates exist already for extradition with non-ECHR nations like Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
Why would we, uniquely, find it "almost impossible" to replicate that?
Its completely lazy and ignorant thinking to believe that change is impossible.
I never said change was impossible! Do you seriously think after all the Brexit psychodrama the EU are going to indulge more from the UK . And of course Farage threatening to rip up the new UK EU deal is going to really help matters !
The fact of the matter is that as a third country we are free to negotiate as we wish. If the EU doesn’t like it, are they going to pull a full trade deal? Unlikely. They’ll extract a price in return - a price that we can all debate whether it is worth paying or not. Nor am I under some kind of illusion that we hold all the cards in such a situation, etc etc. But the fact of the matter is that the EU and UK will renegotiate/readjust their deals from time to time. It’s what happens in trade relationships.
That is true, and is also one reason the Brexit negotiations were so infuritating as a process, since you had one side rather overpromising what could be achieved, and another pretending that asking for anything was outrageous (cherry picking!), when if the latter were true there'd be no negotiation in the first place.
Badenoch I’m afraid has made a mistake with this policy announcement. She should have maintained the previous position of leaving it as an option .
In a desperate effort to have a big announcement at the conference she’s now boxed herself in.
But the Jenrickites would have called her weak otherwise.
Kemi’s problem is she now risks becoming Jenrick but a less articulate and energetic one. So the right will still dump her for the real thing and the One Nation and Sunakite wing will dump her for Cleverly.
Leaving her stranded with a few loyalists but a matter of when not if she is removed
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
The owners of the IP sold it to some rich Americans who don't understand the thing they have bought and are going to make a mess of it.
It's the risk you take when you allow people to buy and sell stuff freely.
Star Wars says Hello!
TBF, Lucas didn't really understand what he owned before he sold it...
Badenoch I’m afraid has made a mistake with this policy announcement. She should have maintained the previous position of leaving it as an option .
In a desperate effort to have a big announcement at the conference she’s now boxed herself in.
But the Jenrickites would have called her weak otherwise.
Kemi’s problem is she now risks becoming Jenrick but a less articulate and energetic one. So the right will still dump her for the real thing and the One Nation and Sunakite wing will dump her for Cleverly.
Leaving her stranded with a few loyalists but a matter of if not when she is removed
If she doesn't take risks now when is she going to?
Let's see what they have come up with. Lord Wolfson is not an idiot.
FWIW - In the past, Amazon refused to sell Ryan Anderson's When Harry Became Sally. The Amazon decision seems "woke" to me. (I haven't checked recently to see if they have changed their policy.)
On the other hand, they do sell Abigail Shrier's Irreversible Damage, a more important book. But, I have read that they did not allow the publisher to buy an ad for that book on the Amazon site
(For the record: I made a point of buying Anderson's book at B&N. (I suppose I will skim it some day.) And I have reduced my book purchases from Amazon.)
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Labour are planning to change the legal framework around this. If it works, it will be a moot point. If it doesn't work, then support for leaving will only grow.
Liberals and internationalists should be proposing a new framework for modern times rather than doggedly protecting the status quo as if it is scripture.
The ECHR goes back to the Congress of Europe in 1948, convened by Churchill (Conservative), Adenauer (Christian Democrat) and Mitterrand (Socialist). The lead person in drafting it was David Maxwell Fyfe, a UK Conservative MP. It is as much a product of conservatism as anything else, but conservatism has lost its way.
So what?
It's not working today, and needs either fundamental reform or a new settlement.
It works fine. It's just become a bogeyman for Daily Telegraph headlines.
Does it?
Things change, and it might be that laws require fettling as a consequence. A law that is unchanging might soon become bad law, however well-intentioned the drafters were, and good the law was at first.
As an example: AIUI the international law on refugees was largely written at a time that refers directly back to the WW2 experience, and was undoubtedly good at that time. But times change. Whilst many refugees are still fleeing warfare, there are also many economic refugees, and also some countries are using refugees as a form of warfare. Travel is also much easier.
In addition, countries cannot be expected to take unlimited numbers of refugees.
So: we either rewrite the international law on refugees to reflect the modern world, or risk increasing numbers of countries ignoring it.
Indeed:
This is the key point, and what instead is happening is that (other than a few centrist dads ), the world is polarizing between:
1. We must remove all limitations on State power to do whatever they like. 2. The ECHR must never be altered in any way, shape or form, even if it is clearly no longer fit for purpose.
You've spent too much time in the US. Are Reform supporters really very radical? They want border control, leaders who actually like this country (rather than valueless diversity and multiculturalism) and a thriving economy.
Whether Farage is the answer to their prayers is another matter.
I'd strongly argue that diversity and multiculturalism are *not* valueless.
They may be taken too far, but there are significant dangers in abandoning them as well.
"A British teenager who was jailed in Dubai for having a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl has died in a car crash three months after he was released. ... The Met Police said officers had attempted to stop a car but, after a 60-second chase, they lost sight of the vehicle and it was later found crashed into a truck."
Badenoch I’m afraid has made a mistake with this policy announcement. She should have maintained the previous position of leaving it as an option .
In a desperate effort to have a big announcement at the conference she’s now boxed herself in.
But the Jenrickites would have called her weak otherwise.
Kemi’s problem is she now risks becoming Jenrick but a less articulate and energetic one. So the right will still dump her for the real thing and the One Nation and Sunakite wing will dump her for Cleverly.
Leaving her stranded with a few loyalists but a matter of when not if she is removed
Possibly but they are not going anywhere this side of May 26 no matter who leads or who defects
I expect Badenoch to resign post May 26 and then see what happens
I have no problem leaving the ECHR and even Starmer of all people is talking of changing it
Ultimately the question that can only be answered much nearer the time is will Farage and Reform be the go to protest party ?
The Conservatives will take the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) if they win the next election, Kemi Badenoch has announced.
The announcement comes after a review by the Conservative party's lead lawyer found staying in the ECHR blocks migration reform and leads to the persecution of military veterans.
After all the bother with NI and Brexit, you'd think that the Tories would have learnt something and rememebred something by now. The Bourbon biscuits of our time?
I don't think that losing Northern Ireland would be as an existential issue for a PM (any PM) as losing Wales or Scotland. They've been half out of the door for a long time and retention feels more like a Westminster project than one the regions are fully committed too.
I would think the point is that the Tories of all people would insist on keeping NI. Even after plunging it into chaos, and upsetting the EU, notably Ireland as already pointed out.
We should be seeking to abolish NI, I've said so all along.
The bit of land with Belfast in it can piss off too.
I also tend to think that military veterans who have committed serious crimes should, indeed, be persecuted, as should all criminals
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
The owners of the IP sold it to some rich Americans who don't understand the thing they have bought and are going to make a mess of it.
It's the risk you take when you allow people to buy and sell stuff freely.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
The owners of the IP sold it to some rich Americans who don't understand the thing they have bought and are going to make a mess of it.
It's the risk you take when you allow people to buy and sell stuff freely.
Star Wars says Hello!
TBF, Lucas didn't really understand what he owned before he sold it...
In a way. But IMV, like Star Trek, the worst thing about Star Wars are its fans. Too many feel as though they own the franchise, and anything that goes against their views is *wrong*.
Which might be fine, except for the fans have many disparate views.
The longer a franchise goes on, and the more fans it gets, the harder it is to create compelling stories that the fans will like. Not impossible, though, as Rogue One might show.
The Conservatives will take the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) if they win the next election, Kemi Badenoch has announced.
The announcement comes after a review by the Conservative party's lead lawyer found staying in the ECHR blocks migration reform and leads to the persecution of military veterans.
After all the bother with NI and Brexit, you'd think that the Tories would have learnt something and rememebred something by now. The Bourbon biscuits of our time?
I don't think that losing Northern Ireland would be as an existential issue for a PM (any PM) as losing Wales or Scotland. They've been half out of the door for a long time and retention feels more like a Westminster project than one the regions are fully committed too.
I would think the point is that the Tories of all people would insist on keeping NI. Even after plunging it into chaos, and upsetting the EU, notably Ireland as already pointed out.
We should be seeking to abolish NI, I've said so all along.
The bit of land with Belfast in it can piss off too.
I also tend to think that military veterans who have committed serious crimes should, indeed, be persecuted, as should all criminals
Will any of the One Nation Tory MPs walk after Badenochs ECHR announcement ?
There aren’t many left admittedly but still leaving the ECHR is certain to cause problems with that wing of the party .
It would be rather ironic if, expecting Farage to welcome another Tory MP it ends up Ed Davey welcoming his first defection of a Tory Home Counties MP following Kemi’s ECHR exit announcement today.
Kemi will certainly hope though that overall the Conservatives make a bet poll gain from Reform after this announcement and her proposal to scrap net zero. If not Cleverly will likely replace her within a year
I think Caroline Nokes would be the one most likely to walk . The problem with the Badenoch policy is that she’s now boxed herself in and leaving the ECHR alone wont solve the problem . Are the Tories also going to leave the UN Convention Against Torture ?
Labour are planning to change the legal framework around this. If it works, it will be a moot point. If it doesn't work, then support for leaving will only grow.
Liberals and internationalists should be proposing a new framework for modern times rather than doggedly protecting the status quo as if it is scripture.
The ECHR goes back to the Congress of Europe in 1948, convened by Churchill (Conservative), Adenauer (Christian Democrat) and Mitterrand (Socialist). The lead person in drafting it was David Maxwell Fyfe, a UK Conservative MP. It is as much a product of conservatism as anything else, but conservatism has lost its way.
So what?
It's not working today, and needs either fundamental reform or a new settlement.
It works fine. It's just become a bogeyman for Daily Telegraph headlines.
Does it?
Things change, and it might be that laws require fettling as a consequence. A law that is unchanging might soon become bad law, however well-intentioned the drafters were, and good the law was at first.
As an example: AIUI the international law on refugees was largely written at a time that refers directly back to the WW2 experience, and was undoubtedly good at that time. But times change. Whilst many refugees are still fleeing warfare, there are also many economic refugees, and also some countries are using refugees as a form of warfare. Travel is also much easier.
In addition, countries cannot be expected to take unlimited numbers of refugees.
So: we either rewrite the international law on refugees to reflect the modern world, or risk increasing numbers of countries ignoring it.
Indeed:
This is the key point, and what instead is happening is that (other than a few centrist dads ), the world is polarizing between:
1. We must remove all limitations on State power to do whatever they like. 2. The ECHR must never be altered in any way, shape or form, even if it is clearly no longer fit for purpose.
Conservatives used to be sceptical of state power. Is it the world that has changed or conservatism?
As for changes to the ECHR, I don't see any opposition to the possibility, but neither Reform UK or Badenoch's Tories are proposing change.
And so the enshittification of James Bond has commenced. The government really needs to think about having restrictions on foreign ownership/control of culturally significant property. Amazon are going to take a great franchise and ruin it and ruin it's legacy.
What's happened?
The owners of the IP sold it to some rich Americans who don't understand the thing they have bought and are going to make a mess of it.
It's the risk you take when you allow people to buy and sell stuff freely.
Couldn't think of a decent name, VFX look dodgy as shit, music is crap, not even a decent funny from Baby Yoda....
The Hans Solo movie might be a classic in comparison.
Watching that, what's the lore behind the AT-AT walker design? It seems utterly blooming stupid for most uses. I can understand the advantage of a weapons platform being high up, but this is in a universe where things fly very easily.
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In a desperate effort to have a big announcement at the conference she’s now boxed herself in.
TLDR "The Bill will introduce large scale uncertainty as the courts grapple with a new, complex, regime. Far from increasing understanding, matters will end up being litigated in order to gain clarity."
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt5803/jtselect/jtrights/611/summary.html
It is not clear exactly what would satisfy this requirement. The Constitution Unit suggests that a consistent majority in opinion polls, a Catholic majority in a census, a nationalist majority in the Northern Ireland Assembly, or a vote by a majority in the Assembly could all be considered evidence of majority support for a united Ireland.3 However, the Secretary of State must ultimately decide whether the condition has been met.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/irish-reunification
There's a lot of wriggle room for interpretation there, although several of the suggested criteria have been satisfied in Scotland in the years since the Brexit Referendum.
Edit: Also, are your friends currently resident in Ireland, or emigrants? Generally speaking the Irish who don't emigrate are more conservative, which might be a factor.
A Conservative member of the London Assembly has defected to Reform UK.
Keith Prince, who was a Tory party member for almost 50 years, served as leader of Redbridge Council in east London from 2009 to 2014, and is a councillor at Havering Council, also in east London.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqjexze7444o
EU Treaties do not allow certain aspects of law enforcement co-operation if you’re outside of the ECHR .
Those politicians peddling leaving the ECHR as easy and without huge problems are a bunch of liars.
It's not working today, and needs either fundamental reform or a new settlement.
Leaving the ECHR is perfectly compatible with One Nation views.
I've yet to ever hear a single good reason why we need the ECHR, when Australia, Canada and New Zealand do not. The fact we are on a different continent is utterly meaningless and irrelevant.
https://screenrant.com/amazon-gun-less-james-bond-posters-ranked/
Nothing wrong with going back to that. Let Parliament be the ultimate guarantor of our rights, it was good enough for then, its good enough for now.
Unelected foreign bodies should have no jurisdiction.
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James Bond died with No Time To Die though.
Broccoli/Wilson had had enough, and Daniel Craig wanted his office leaving do.
It's over.
Things change, and it might be that laws require fettling as a consequence. A law that is unchanging might soon become bad law, however well-intentioned the drafters were, and good the law was at first.
As an example: AIUI the international law on refugees was largely written at a time that refers directly back to the WW2 experience, and was undoubtedly good at that time. But times change. Whilst many refugees are still fleeing warfare, there are also many economic refugees, and also some countries are using refugees as a form of warfare. Travel is also much easier.
In addition, countries cannot be expected to take unlimited numbers of refugees.
So: we either rewrite the international law on refugees to reflect the modern world, or risk increasing numbers of countries ignoring it.
Australia can also extradite criminals to the EU and vice-versa, so bizarre we would find it "almost impossible".
Almost as if you are talking complete and utter bullshit.
It's the risk you take when you allow people to buy and sell stuff freely.
To that extent alone, it makes for a very cynical exercise in exploiting the punters: wanting the easily-triggered to still buy a product they will find offensive. After they have paid.
The fact we are in Europe and they are not is what I said was irrelevant.
https://www.comicbasics.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Bond.webp
But other than that, totally unheard of.
Its best Labour conference jokes were on the removal of ‘growth you can feel in your pocket’ from Keir's speech, and the slogan, Renew Britain – because Reform UK was already taken.
Bezos doesn’t strike me as being particularly woke or anything so I’m guessing he will be a bit annoyed at this and get it fixed.
Plus we've been riled up, even just a little, by a company doing something needlessly stupid.
I've noticed a similar trend in spam social media posts. Often they now have obvious mistakes to provoke people into correcting them. Negative engagement is still engagement.
I suspect it might start some piss-taking memes. A large dildo could be funny...
And before you rubbish the organisation it’s independent and just deals with facts .
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/leaving-the-european-convention-on-human-rights/
Nothing more annoying than Spotify, Amazon, Netflix or Disney buggering about with IP and access or brand rights in real-time.
Agreements are subject to change and templates exist already for extradition with non-ECHR nations like Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
Why would we, uniquely, find it "almost impossible" to replicate that?
Its completely lazy and ignorant thinking to believe that change is impossible.
Come to that why is a foundation stone of British cultural significance punting a hun pistol?
I don't know if guns would be part of that.
Flowers as an offensive weapon are practically de rigeur.
The joys of a subscription model. You will own nothing.
The fact is the EU extradites to non-ECHR nations already today, contrary to your BS. Agreements and templates for agreements already exist.
If we have an agreement that relies upon it, we will need to reach a new one that does not if we leave. That's not impossible, the template for how to do that is already out there.
This is the key point, and what instead is happening is that (other than a few centrist dads ), the world is polarizing between:
1. We must remove all limitations on State power to do whatever they like.
2. The ECHR must never be altered in any way, shape or form, even if it is clearly no longer fit for purpose.
It's a classic.
Despite the EU having international agreements to extradite criminals to non-ECHR nations already.
And the EU will have to deal with us as a third party whether they want to or not, that's how international relations work. Its also how democracy works.
I suspect Alex will have enjoyed asking Prince what first attracted him to join the poll leading Reform Party from the polling third Tories?
Though Kemi will give a sigh of relief no further Tory MPs have left yet
Give me one good reason. Geography is not a good reason.
Or ArcElite, perhaps the best version of classic Elite, released around 1991. These were the astounding graphics:
https://thekingofgrabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/elite-archimedes-25.png
The bit of land with Belfast in it can piss off too.
Never fails!
Whether Farage is the answer to their prayers is another matter.
Australia, Canada and New Zealand are all democracies, are they not? And none of them are in the ECHR. What makes us different to them?
Geography has nothing to do with human rights. We're the same type of humans as Aussies and Canadians.
But I'd agree with the point that it just looks like scapegoating, and reforming or just taking some action re judicial interpretations seems like it would surely work better.
It's also far easier than with the EU to make it look like a terrible idea, and even less understood so I don't think they would ever get the same level of mass support for the idea.
Greece under the military directorship and Vladimir Putin. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_case
Leaving her stranded with a few loyalists but a matter of when not if she is removed
Let's see what they have come up with. Lord Wolfson is not an idiot.
On the other hand, they do sell Abigail Shrier's Irreversible Damage, a more important book. But, I have read that they did not allow the publisher to buy an ad for that book on the Amazon site
(For the record: I made a point of buying Anderson's book at B&N. (I suppose I will skim it some day.) And I have reduced my book purchases from Amazon.)
They may be taken too far, but there are significant dangers in abandoning them as well.
...
The Met Police said officers had attempted to stop a car but, after a 60-second chase, they lost sight of the vehicle and it was later found crashed into a truck."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3e7yyjw77qo
I expect Badenoch to resign post May 26 and then see what happens
I have no problem leaving the ECHR and even Starmer of all people is talking of changing it
Ultimately the question that can only be answered much nearer the time is will Farage and Reform be the go to protest party ?
The Mandalorian and Grogu - In Theaters May 22, 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pa1KLXuW0Y
Couldn't think of a decent name, VFX look dodgy as shit, music is crap, not even a decent funny from Baby Yoda....
The Hans Solo movie might be a classic in comparison.
Which might be fine, except for the fans have many disparate views.
The longer a franchise goes on, and the more fans it gets, the harder it is to create compelling stories that the fans will like. Not impossible, though, as Rogue One might show.
I think they should be prosecuted.
But each to their own, eh?
As for changes to the ECHR, I don't see any opposition to the possibility, but neither Reform UK or Badenoch's Tories are proposing change.