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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,258
    MaxPB said:

    Isn’t the problem with PIP simply that the costs seem to escalate exponentially?

    Are people in the UK becoming increasingly sickly and disabled?

    Something is wrong, surely.

    An epidemic of laziness disguised as anxiety and depression, is the reality.
    Trouble is that much of these are lifelong conditions, and many of us struggle with them regularly whilst holding down full-time jobs.

    That's life.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,776
    Ms Lam has a point?


    "National guidance says police should consider disclosing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects in high profile cases.

    "In May, Merseyside Police told the public within two hours that they had arrested a “white British man" for driving into a crowd.

    "Why the delay today?"

    https://x.com/Katie_Lam_MP/status/1973745161416155294


    They must know who he is. He's dead in that car park
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,776
    edited October 2
    Sean_F said:

    Foss said:

    Sean_F said:

    viewcode said:

    Sean_F said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here's a weird thing I learned last week

    One of the most popular new genres in fiction is "Dark Romance". Which is a euphemistic name for "rape fantasy fiction". Yes

    Entire novels which are centred around the idea of a villainous "hero" taking, without consent, or with very very blurred consent, the heroine.. Often the "hero" is an actual criminal, often he kidnaps the woman, sometimes there is quite a lot of violence towards the woman

    It's being bought by the shedload, in America, Germany, Scandinavia, and increasingly Britain. Who is buying it? Women

    Didn't you hear about Gillian Anderson's book, Want?

    What rock have you been under?
    You
    Yes, I know that book. It's in the tradition of Nancy Friday and Shere Hite - a non fiction analysis of female sex desires and fantasies

    I am talking about fiction. Topping the bestseller lists, which is all about rape, by stalkers, murderers, Mafia bosses. And women are buying it
    Here's the weird thing, fiction about serial killers is really popular among the 99.99% of us who are potential victims, rather than serial killers.

    This is a weird thing which goes back to the beginning of recorded history, and most likely before that.
    You're not really getting this, are you?

    These are books about rape of young women, where the young woman is often violently abused - choked, tied up, assaulted at gunpoint, knifed, spat on, you get the idea - and then the woman falls in love with the guy that did this. And he's a serial killer, gangster, psycho. Actual psychos

    And the people buying this? Young women
    I'm not quite sure what your point is though? Lots of people read thrillers without ever wanting that to happen to them. Lots of people like horror films.
    I spent years reading Star Trek fan fiction. I can assure you it never included a rape of any description. It isn't something that crops up often in science-fiction.
    Kirk and Spock slash fiction.
    Indeed, and Kirk/Spock shipping was the origin and trope namer of "slash" fiction. But it never involved rape.
    The roots of fanfiction are gay, as it started to become a thing in the 1960’s, when gay and lesbian characters were portrayed as villains or comic relief, in mainstream literature.
    I was under the impression that modern Slash was generally viewed to have come out of heterosexual female Star Trek fans who wanted to get off on Kirk and Spock getting it on.
    I’m told m/m fiction and porn is actually quite popular with women, but it gets 1% of the attention of the opposite.
    Hugely popular

    There's a massive market for m/m anime and manga erotica, and the buyers are girls
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,684
    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "@Findoutnow

    🟦 Reform UK: 35% (+2)
    🔴 Labour: 19% (+2)
    🔵 Conservatives: 14% (-)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 12% (-4)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-1)

    Changes from 24th September
    [Find Out Now, 1st October, N=2,611]"

    https://x.com/FindoutnowUK/status/1973701356553949373

    I know I know. But if you Baxter this with no tactical voting, the Tories only get 7 (seven!) seats. Hunt would be about the only one left perversely.
    I don't see how Hunt could survive on Baxter/UNS: compared to the 2024 election, that is the Conservative vote share down 10 percentage points, and the LibDems flat. So, in every seat where the LibDems are less than 10 percentage points behind the Conservatives they will end up ahead of them. And in Godalming and Ash, the Conservatives were just 1.6 percentage points ahead of the LibDems.

    (Reform was on 8.8% in the seat, so even with them being up 20 percentage points, they probably wouldn't have the votes to win.)
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,871
    Taz said:

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1973683223516655845?s=61

    The govt confirmed the ILR change, once legislated, will apply to the Boriswave.

    Let's get the legislation through then, I won't believe it until it's actually the law and the government has used primary legislation to ensure it can't get struck down on some stupid technicality. The 2m have to go home, there is no other alternative if we want to not bankrupt the nation.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,199
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here's a weird thing I learned last week

    One of the most popular new genres in fiction is "Dark Romance". Which is a euphemistic name for "rape fantasy fiction". Yes

    Entire novels which are centred around the idea of a villainous "hero" taking, without consent, or with very very blurred consent, the heroine.. Often the "hero" is an actual criminal, often he kidnaps the woman, sometimes there is quite a lot of violence towards the woman

    It's being bought by the shedload, in America, Germany, Scandinavia, and increasingly Britain. Who is buying it? Women

    Didn't you hear about Gillian Anderson's book, Want?

    What rock have you been under?
    You
    Yes, I know that book. It's in the tradition of Nancy Friday and Shere Hite - a non fiction analysis of female sex desires and fantasies

    I am talking about fiction. Topping the bestseller lists, which is all about rape, by stalkers, murderers, Mafia bosses. And women are buying it
    Here's the weird thing, fiction about serial killers is really popular among the 99.99% of us who are potential victims, rather than serial killers.

    This is a weird thing which goes back to the beginning of recorded history, and most likely before that.
    You're not really getting this, are you?

    These are books about rape of young women, where the young woman is often violently abused - choked, tied up, assaulted at gunpoint, knifed, spat on, you get the idea - and then the woman falls in love with the guy that did this. And he's a serial killer, gangster, psycho. Actual psychos

    And the people buying this? Young women
    I'm not quite sure what your point is though? Lots of people read thrillers without ever wanting that to happen to them. Lots of people like horror films.
    Leon presents himself to us as a polymath who knows about new trends before the rest of us, so he can't comprehend that he's late to learning about something to the extent that we are all shrugging our shoulders and not sharing his sense of wonder at his new discovery.
    Well, if you guys knew all about this, you should have pitched the idea of writing about it, like I just did, and was immediately commissioned by my astonished editors
    You appear to be labouring under a misapprehension that I am envious of you for writing articles for a periodical publication. I am not.
    lol, fair

    Nonetheless, despite being a late-comer and an idiot, I have managed to turn my late-coming idiocy into £500 for 2 hours work, which is nice

    Now on to the next
    You are just weird. Maybe none of us did it because, now let me guess, we are not writers. Just think about all the other things you rant about and do nothing about. Well that is mainly because you are not a policeman, or politician, or whatever it may be you need to be to do something about it. You do what you do, which is write. We don't because we aren't writers who earn a crust doing it. But many on here, for instance, do get involved in politics rather than just ranting about it. They do that. They do do something. Often a lot.

    And of course it is also because often we don't care, aren't interested, etc on something you have just found out about). It isn't because we don't know something. Some of us usually do (eg mice community experiments, tick medicine on dogs, etc).

    I can't remember the number of times you come here with revelations of stuff you have just found out about and then assume none of us know about it. But guess what, a significant subset of us usually do.

    You also live in a world where you think we are all envious of your travels and your freebies (or getting £500 for 2 hours work). Some might be, but most aren't. Most of us wouldn't swap our lives for yours. We prefer family and local community and our boring hobbies and usually hate airport terminals (with a passion), that on occasions we have to put up with.
    You're still bitter about the whole mice thing

    TBH actually I'm a bit bored of my travels now. I've done Austria, Scotland, Sardinia, Naples in quick succession, in one month, and now I am off to America in two days, and.... I really wish I wasn't. I'd quite like to sit back and enjoy my ludicrously gay new flat

    However, off I go - and then I stop

    Of course after a month of sitting still I'll be desperate to move again. What it is to have a restless spirit
    Fair enough. It is horses for courses, but you shouldn't assume that because you like something then that is what the rest of us want. We don't. And most jobs that sound fantastic lose their appeal when you have done stuff lots (eg travel with the loss of local roots). Many decades ago I turned down a promotion that would have involved a lot of travel because I was bored with it. Whenever I stay somewhere I look for pubs and quirky b&bs because I am fed up with smart soulless hotels.

    I don't understand the mice comment. Suspect it is a wind up, but just to clarify I don't think we disagreed on anything and I mention it because it was one I (and others) were fully aware of when you brought it up. You are either mixing me up with someone else or winding me up. If the latter, well done as I have just written 3 pointless sentences.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,650

    And two more months of suppressed economic activity for UK Plc whilst businesses and individuals suspend investment and spending decisions whilst they await the latest clobber.

    This lot are utterly clueless.

    Remember Reeves did exactly the same when they came into power, dragged it out, rather than rapid budget to set up the financial regime for the parliament. And then only to reversing cuts to things like the super computer, new hospital construction and road building after 12 months. What was the excuse this time given for having such a late budget?

    Its like they hadn't done any homework before getting into power....
    These morons don't understand that no decision, or a delayed decision, is also a decision.
    You could argue that doing nothing allows stability. The last thing people want is people tinkering, especially politicians.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,097

    Andy_JS said:

    "Michael Deacon
    Britain will be forced into a cashless society – and Labour stupidity is to blame" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/02/why-britain-will-soon-be-cashless/

    Well I am voting Labour now!

    Cash is only used by tax dodgers and criminals.
    And bloodsucking lawyers.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,408
    edited October 2

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here's a weird thing I learned last week

    One of the most popular new genres in fiction is "Dark Romance". Which is a euphemistic name for "rape fantasy fiction". Yes

    Entire novels which are centred around the idea of a villainous "hero" taking, without consent, or with very very blurred consent, the heroine.. Often the "hero" is an actual criminal, often he kidnaps the woman, sometimes there is quite a lot of violence towards the woman

    It's being bought by the shedload, in America, Germany, Scandinavia, and increasingly Britain. Who is buying it? Women

    Didn't you hear about Gillian Anderson's book, Want?

    What rock have you been under?
    You
    Yes, I know that book. It's in the tradition of Nancy Friday and Shere Hite - a non fiction analysis of female sex desires and fantasies

    I am talking about fiction. Topping the bestseller lists, which is all about rape, by stalkers, murderers, Mafia bosses. And women are buying it
    Here's the weird thing, fiction about serial killers is really popular among the 99.99% of us who are potential victims, rather than serial killers.

    This is a weird thing which goes back to the beginning of recorded history, and most likely before that.
    You're not really getting this, are you?

    These are books about rape of young women, where the young woman is often violently abused - choked, tied up, assaulted at gunpoint, knifed, spat on, you get the idea - and then the woman falls in love with the guy that did this. And he's a serial killer, gangster, psycho. Actual psychos

    And the people buying this? Young women
    This is not new, if you go read mainstream 'romance' novels from the 70s and 80s (particularly the mass-market stuff published by Mills and Boon or Harlequin) a good chunk of the writers specialised in stories full of behaviour that's wildly unacceptable by today's social norms and was highly dodgy even then, up to and including stalking, kidnapping and rape. But the arsehole 'hero' is handsome, wealthy and drives a low-slung sports car so the woman falls for him anyway.

    The readers of the time lapped it up. I suspect the only thing that's changed is this type of tale being separated out into a specific genre, so the publisher can use a dark, foreboding cover and charge a bit more.
    The well established term bodice-ripper suggests something other than gentle wooing has been around in fiction for a while. Long before then Heathcliff was more brooding psycho than husband material.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,097
    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Teenager shot dead in US 'after being mistaken for a squirrel'
    Carson Ryan is said to have been accidentally shot in the back of the head while hunting squirrels in Iowa. An investigation is under way."

    https://news.sky.com/story/teenager-shot-dead-after-being-mistaken-for-a-squirrel-13442641

    I’ve got visions of Elmer Fudd.
    "Sorry, fellas, I happen to be a vegetarian."
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,871
    Leon said:

    Ms Lam has a point?


    "National guidance says police should consider disclosing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects in high profile cases.

    "In May, Merseyside Police told the public within two hours that they had arrested a “white British man" for driving into a crowd.

    "Why the delay today?"

    https://x.com/Katie_Lam_MP/status/1973745161416155294


    They must know who he is. He's dead in that car park

    There's pictures of him all over the internet, he looks exactly as one might expect a terrorist who has targeted Jews to look like.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,116
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Ms Lam has a point?


    "National guidance says police should consider disclosing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects in high profile cases.

    "In May, Merseyside Police told the public within two hours that they had arrested a “white British man" for driving into a crowd.

    "Why the delay today?"

    https://x.com/Katie_Lam_MP/status/1973745161416155294


    They must know who he is. He's dead in that car park

    There's pictures of him all over the internet, he looks exactly as one might expect a terrorist who has targeted Jews to look like.
    Man locally known as Dave?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,258

    DavidL said:

    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    I accept, FWIW, that tax increases are necessary.

    What angers me is that they need to be matched with at least equivalent cuts in public spending so that a real and meaningful dent can be made in our scary deficits. When I hear nonsense like removing the 2 child cap after the WFA for millionaires, the rejection of the cuts on disability benefits and the bottomless pit of the NHS to pay ever higher wages with consequential pension liabilities I....am disappointed.

    I don't think equating the 2-child limit with WFP is fair. UC is strictly tapered and means-tested in a way that WFP is not. That means that those children affected by the limit really are among the poorest and most vulnerable in the UK. It cements intergenerational poverty etc etc

    I understand why people think the limit is fair - people should only have lots of kids if they have the cash to do so. But what is grotesquely unfair is keeping it even while rich pensioners continue to get WFP, and the long term effects of kids growing up in poverty harm both our society and long term spending (just look at rates of crime, health etc etc).
    Don't get me started on intergenerational fairness. The greedy bastards of the baby boom are the most selfish generation in history. Voted for governments that ran up horrendous debts, voted for ever more generous entitlements and pensions, voted for massive tax benefits for themselves, voted for student debt, voted for ramping up the housing market to their advantage making it impossible for the young to get on the housing ladder, voted for... (that's enough ed).
    Anyone over 50, which includes you and perhaps most on here, benefitted from this boomer settlement.

    Anyone under 50 has increasingly been part of generation short shrift.

    From one perspective, it’s no wonder that young people are increasingly claiming disabled status in the hope of some kind of handout. Legitimate ways to get ahead are in ever-shorter supply.

    It’s late Soviet Britain, innit.
    And they're increasingly moving to Australia, Canada or the Middle East.

    We have a 1970s brain-drain going on, in the 2020s.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,332
    Leon said:

    Ms Lam has a point?


    "National guidance says police should consider disclosing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects in high profile cases.

    "In May, Merseyside Police told the public within two hours that they had arrested a “white British man" for driving into a crowd.

    "Why the delay today?"

    https://x.com/Katie_Lam_MP/status/1973745161416155294


    They must know who he is. He's dead in that car park

    Isn't there, like, a photo, and video?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,871
    Battlebus said:

    And two more months of suppressed economic activity for UK Plc whilst businesses and individuals suspend investment and spending decisions whilst they await the latest clobber.

    This lot are utterly clueless.

    Remember Reeves did exactly the same when they came into power, dragged it out, rather than rapid budget to set up the financial regime for the parliament. And then only to reversing cuts to things like the super computer, new hospital construction and road building after 12 months. What was the excuse this time given for having such a late budget?

    Its like they hadn't done any homework before getting into power....
    These morons don't understand that no decision, or a delayed decision, is also a decision.
    You could argue that doing nothing allows stability. The last thing people want is people tinkering, especially politicians.
    But it's not doing nothing, it's telegraphing that we need £30bn in tax rises (or spending cuts lol) months before spelling out what they will actually be. That's causing loads of speculation among businesses who don't know whether they should invest or not given what happened last time.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,199
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Ms Lam has a point?


    "National guidance says police should consider disclosing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects in high profile cases.

    "In May, Merseyside Police told the public within two hours that they had arrested a “white British man" for driving into a crowd.

    "Why the delay today?"

    https://x.com/Katie_Lam_MP/status/1973745161416155294


    They must know who he is. He's dead in that car park

    There's pictures of him all over the internet, he looks exactly as one might expect a terrorist who has targeted Jews to look like.
    ???

    Two stereotypes spring to my mind and the stereotypical images are so so so very different.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,258
    Battlebus said:

    And two more months of suppressed economic activity for UK Plc whilst businesses and individuals suspend investment and spending decisions whilst they await the latest clobber.

    This lot are utterly clueless.

    Remember Reeves did exactly the same when they came into power, dragged it out, rather than rapid budget to set up the financial regime for the parliament. And then only to reversing cuts to things like the super computer, new hospital construction and road building after 12 months. What was the excuse this time given for having such a late budget?

    Its like they hadn't done any homework before getting into power....
    These morons don't understand that no decision, or a delayed decision, is also a decision.
    You could argue that doing nothing allows stability. The last thing people want is people tinkering, especially politicians.
    Except they aren't doing nothing, are they?

    They've announced a budget on 26th November that will contain tax rises, and then run for the hills.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,332

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Ms Lam has a point?


    "National guidance says police should consider disclosing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects in high profile cases.

    "In May, Merseyside Police told the public within two hours that they had arrested a “white British man" for driving into a crowd.

    "Why the delay today?"

    https://x.com/Katie_Lam_MP/status/1973745161416155294


    They must know who he is. He's dead in that car park

    There's pictures of him all over the internet, he looks exactly as one might expect a terrorist who has targeted Jews to look like.
    Man locally known as Dave?
    More likely to be bitter about the Norman conquest of Sicily than of England.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,871
    kjh said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Ms Lam has a point?


    "National guidance says police should consider disclosing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects in high profile cases.

    "In May, Merseyside Police told the public within two hours that they had arrested a “white British man" for driving into a crowd.

    "Why the delay today?"

    https://x.com/Katie_Lam_MP/status/1973745161416155294


    They must know who he is. He's dead in that car park

    There's pictures of him all over the internet, he looks exactly as one might expect a terrorist who has targeted Jews to look like.
    ???

    Two stereotypes spring to my mind and the stereotypical images are so so so very different.
    Think Four Lions.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730
    edited October 2
    Leon said:

    Ms Lam has a point?


    "National guidance says police should consider disclosing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects in high profile cases.

    "In May, Merseyside Police told the public within two hours that they had arrested a “white British man" for driving into a crowd.

    "Why the delay today?"

    https://x.com/Katie_Lam_MP/status/1973745161416155294


    They must know who he is. He's dead in that car park

    I thought she was the future of the Conservative Party ? Making a cheap political point from a tragedy when a quick look at the video/ stills of the attack would tell you and her the ethnicity of the perpetrator is not big or clever.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,033
    MaxPB said:

    kjh said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Ms Lam has a point?


    "National guidance says police should consider disclosing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects in high profile cases.

    "In May, Merseyside Police told the public within two hours that they had arrested a “white British man" for driving into a crowd.

    "Why the delay today?"

    https://x.com/Katie_Lam_MP/status/1973745161416155294


    They must know who he is. He's dead in that car park

    There's pictures of him all over the internet, he looks exactly as one might expect a terrorist who has targeted Jews to look like.
    ???

    Two stereotypes spring to my mind and the stereotypical images are so so so very different.
    Think Four Lions.
    The one who was supposed to be a white British convert? I see the similarity.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,871
    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    kjh said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Ms Lam has a point?


    "National guidance says police should consider disclosing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects in high profile cases.

    "In May, Merseyside Police told the public within two hours that they had arrested a “white British man" for driving into a crowd.

    "Why the delay today?"

    https://x.com/Katie_Lam_MP/status/1973745161416155294


    They must know who he is. He's dead in that car park

    There's pictures of him all over the internet, he looks exactly as one might expect a terrorist who has targeted Jews to look like.
    ???

    Two stereotypes spring to my mind and the stereotypical images are so so so very different.
    Think Four Lions.
    The one who was supposed to be a white British convert? I see the similarity.
    Yeah, looks really similar to brother Barry.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,682
    edited October 2
    Police declare PLATO

    Apparently a Marauding terrorist attack
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,033
    MaxPB said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    kjh said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Ms Lam has a point?


    "National guidance says police should consider disclosing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects in high profile cases.

    "In May, Merseyside Police told the public within two hours that they had arrested a “white British man" for driving into a crowd.

    "Why the delay today?"

    https://x.com/Katie_Lam_MP/status/1973745161416155294


    They must know who he is. He's dead in that car park

    There's pictures of him all over the internet, he looks exactly as one might expect a terrorist who has targeted Jews to look like.
    ???

    Two stereotypes spring to my mind and the stereotypical images are so so so very different.
    Think Four Lions.
    The one who was supposed to be a white British convert? I see the similarity.
    Yeah, looks really similar to brother Barry.
    Possible I guess. The police will get a hammering if they tweet out "A white British man..."
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,727
    Sean_F said:

    @Leon

    The trope originator is The Sheikh, written by Edith Hull, in 1919. The heroine is kidnapped by an Arab Sheikh, and raped repeatedly by him. She naturally falls in love with her rapist. He wants her to marry him, but he is …. an Arab.

    But, it has a happy ending, for eventually it’s revealed that he is really an Englishman, kidnapped by Arabs, as a baby. So, the marriage can go ahead.

    It was hugely popular with young women.

    Samuel Richardson's Pamela, a very early example of the novel form - both at the time scandalous, and hugely popular - follows a similar theme.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,871
    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    kjh said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Ms Lam has a point?


    "National guidance says police should consider disclosing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects in high profile cases.

    "In May, Merseyside Police told the public within two hours that they had arrested a “white British man" for driving into a crowd.

    "Why the delay today?"

    https://x.com/Katie_Lam_MP/status/1973745161416155294


    They must know who he is. He's dead in that car park

    There's pictures of him all over the internet, he looks exactly as one might expect a terrorist who has targeted Jews to look like.
    ???

    Two stereotypes spring to my mind and the stereotypical images are so so so very different.
    Think Four Lions.
    The one who was supposed to be a white British convert? I see the similarity.
    Yeah, looks really similar to brother Barry.
    Possible I guess. The police will get a hammering if they tweet out "A white British man..."
    I don't think he's white though, could very well be a British citizen though.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,097
    MaxPB said:

    The terrorist looks like brother Barry from Four Lions.

    "That's it, spark plugs! Jews invented spark plugs to control global traffic!"
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,033

    Police declare PLATO

    Apparently a Marauding terrorist attack

    Hours ago. Don't panic, the SAS helicopter has long gone.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730

    Police declade PLATO

    Apparently a Marauding terrorist attack

    They declared PLATO before 11.00 this morning.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,684
    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Selebian said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    MattW said:

    A really strange one from Kemi. She does not even explain what she is referring to precisely, never mind link to any actual evidence.

    Kemi Badenoch @KemiBadenoch 18h
    Every day under Labour, an extra 1000 people sign on to out of work sickness benefits.

    If you’re too weak to fix that, you have no right to increase taxes on people in work.

    @Conservatives are the only party with a plan to cut our spiralling welfare state.

    https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1973428659001368800

    In any case, here’s the source:

    Louise Murphy, an economist at the Resolution Foundation, points out that approval rates for both face-to-face and remote assessments are largely unchanged since the pandemic.
    "What has changed is way more people are claiming Pip - the government's own figures show there are around 1,000 new awards made each day," she says.



    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg5zz6pm15lo
    PIP isn't an out of work sickness benefit.
    The vast majority are out of work, aren’t they?
    About 5/6 according to OBR, but it's still not an out-of-work sickness benefit.

    (There's a valid question about whether the claims are justified)
    All claims are justified every 3 years or sooner. There is a very large form to fill out. I've completed a few and the questions are quite detailed if somewhat intrusive. A lot are rejected by the DWP (poor staff training) but are paid after a visit to a Tribunal and a long delay.

    The payments are lawful and justified under the current legislation. If people want it changed then Parliament has to sit down and change the legislation after consultation, impact assessments, reference to linked legislation etc. No-one wants to touch it and Kemi is just making noise as she will be aware of the issue.

    She really is a dud.
    One would have thought after the blowback Reeves and Starmer received for attacking disabled related benefits, she would steer clear without copper bottomed advice. Suggesting PIP is an out of work benefit suggests she hasn't bothered with any due diligence.
    It was Liz Kendall actually and it was simply slowing the rate of growth not cutting the total spent.

    When it was said 35% of people would be worse off that simply means the vast majority don’t need the money.

    They’re smart enough to know this is not sustainable.



    Do you have a source for that chart?

    Because the Insititute for Fiscal Studies has a very different number for people of working age: https://ifs.org.uk/sites/default/files/output_url_files/BN249.pdf

    They have just 13% of working age households being net recipients of benefits (i.e. recieve more in benefits than they pay in taxes).
    The ONS according to Robert Colville.

    https://x.com/rcolvile/status/1971223225263849585?s=61
    If you read the comments, he says that (a) it includes every non pensioner individual, and (b) it includes NHS as a benefit.

    Both of those make the numbers fairly bullshit.

    For a start, in any household where there is a sole breadwinner, then the non-working partner will be recieving more in benefits than they pay in tax. (Because NHS.)

    It also includes all children. About 23% of the UK are 21 years old or younger. I would estimate 99% of those recieve more in benefits than they pay in taxes because only a very small proportion of this group are in full time work.

    I'm also assuming, from the comments, that he divided the NHS's annual budget by the number of people in the UK and added that as a benefit. Which is ridiculous, because the cost for healthcare is not uniform by age.

    A much more sensible question would be what proportion of households recieve more in benefits than they pay in taxes?
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,258
    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    Here's the image to some quality slash fiction for @viewcode


    WTF !!
    Welcome to mpreg...
    I have no plans to google that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,727

    And two more months of suppressed economic activity for UK Plc whilst businesses and individuals suspend investment and spending decisions whilst they await the latest clobber.

    This lot are utterly clueless.

    Remember Reeves did exactly the same when they came into power, dragged it out, rather than rapid budget to set up the financial regime for the parliament. And then only to reversing cuts to things like the super computer, new hospital construction and road building after 12 months. What was the excuse this time given for having such a late budget?

    Its like they hadn't done any homework before getting into power....
    These morons don't understand that no decision, or a delayed decision, is also a decision.
    Ditto the last few sets of morons.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,258

    Taz said:

    Here's the image to some quality slash fiction for @viewcode


    WTF !!
    Blame low IQ Leon who thinks he has discovered a new genre.
    I’ve heard of Star Trek slash fiction, which is probably what viewcode was referencing.

    But nothing like that !
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,682

    Police declade PLATO

    Apparently a Marauding terrorist attack

    They declared PLATO before 11.00 this morning.
    I haven't been watching it all day and just picked up the announcement
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,795
    Taz said:

    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    Here's the image to some quality slash fiction for @viewcode


    WTF !!
    Welcome to mpreg...
    I have no plans to google that.
    It’s certainly not one for the work computer!
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,258
    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1973683223516655845?s=61

    The govt confirmed the ILR change, once legislated, will apply to the Boriswave.

    Let's get the legislation through then, I won't believe it until it's actually the law and the government has used primary legislation to ensure it can't get struck down on some stupid technicality. The 2m have to go home, there is no other alternative if we want to not bankrupt the nation.
    I’m sure plenty of their backbenchers, the Greens, the Lib Dem’s and the SNP, who’s solution to our financial woes will be ‘wealth tax now’, as well as various ‘charities’ whose income depends on these people will fight it tooth and nail and it won’t happen.

    Katie Lam has done a,out of good work on this.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,733
    Leon said:

    Ms Lam has a point?


    "National guidance says police should consider disclosing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects in high profile cases.

    "In May, Merseyside Police told the public within two hours that they had arrested a “white British man" for driving into a crowd.

    "Why the delay today?"

    https://x.com/Katie_Lam_MP/status/1973745161416155294


    They must know who he is. He's dead in that car park

    His picture is on the front page of the BBC website though, so I don't think we can claim a national cover-up!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Here's the image to some quality slash fiction for @viewcode


    WTF !!
    Blame low IQ Leon who thinks he has discovered a new genre.
    I’ve heard of Star Trek slash fiction, which is probably what viewcode was referencing.

    But nothing like that !
    There's Rule 34 then there's that.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730

    Police declade PLATO

    Apparently a Marauding terrorist attack

    They declared PLATO before 11.00 this morning.
    I haven't been watching it all day and just picked up the announcement
    The bad guy was shot at 10.37. PLATO was declared shortly after. I suspect this is either important or precautionary, even in the case of a lone wolf.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,646
    Taz said:

    Here's the image to some quality slash fiction for @viewcode


    WTF !!
    I frequently get the response WTF? to the kind of fanfic I enjoy writing
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,768
    edited October 2
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here's a weird thing I learned last week

    One of the most popular new genres in fiction is "Dark Romance". Which is a euphemistic name for "rape fantasy fiction". Yes

    Entire novels which are centred around the idea of a villainous "hero" taking, without consent, or with very very blurred consent, the heroine.. Often the "hero" is an actual criminal, often he kidnaps the woman, sometimes there is quite a lot of violence towards the woman

    It's being bought by the shedload, in America, Germany, Scandinavia, and increasingly Britain. Who is buying it? Women

    Didn't you hear about Gillian Anderson's book, Want?

    What rock have you been under?
    You
    Yes, I know that book. It's in the tradition of Nancy Friday and Shere Hite - a non fiction analysis of female sex desires and fantasies

    I am talking about fiction. Topping the bestseller lists, which is all about rape, by stalkers, murderers, Mafia bosses. And women are buying it
    Here's the weird thing, fiction about serial killers is really popular among the 99.99% of us who are potential victims, rather than serial killers.

    This is a weird thing which goes back to the beginning of recorded history, and most likely before that.
    You're not really getting this, are you?

    These are books about rape of young women, where the young woman is often violently abused - choked, tied up, assaulted at gunpoint, knifed, spat on, you get the idea - and then the woman falls in love with the guy that did this. And he's a serial killer, gangster, psycho. Actual psychos

    And the people buying this? Young women
    I'm not quite sure what your point is though? Lots of people read thrillers without ever wanting that to happen to them. Lots of people like horror films.
    Leon presents himself to us as a polymath who knows about new trends before the rest of us, so he can't comprehend that he's late to learning about something to the extent that we are all shrugging our shoulders and not sharing his sense of wonder at his new discovery.
    Well, if you guys knew all about this, you should have pitched the idea of writing about it, like I just did, and was immediately commissioned by my astonished editors
    You appear to be labouring under a misapprehension that I am envious of you for writing articles for a periodical publication. I am not.
    @Leon , if you are after ideas for American Curiosities, the fundmentalist Bob Jones University in SC I mentioned last night, and their "no interracial dating amongst student" policy which persisted until I think 2002 - and even after it was cancelled they still required a written notification from parents for eg their white son to date a black girl, is worth a look.

    There's a lot of cultural rabbit hole around sexual repression to explore there.

    They also have a huge collection of European Medieval Art (Sandro Botticelli, Domenico Ghirlandaio, Tintoretto, Paolo Veronese, Jusepe de Ribera etc), and were known to paint out the genitalia of the naked Christ Child. *

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Jones_University_Museum_&_Gallery

    * Attested example: St. Francis Receiving the Christ Child from the Virgin, a large altarpiece by Denys Calvaert.

    Recovering From Modesty: A Response to the Alteration of An Old Master At Bob Jones University Museum & Gallery
    https://scholarcommons.sc.edu/etd/1826/
    All across the world my Tibetan strain of Buddhism has statues of topless Tara and Vajrayogini in standard pre-Islamic Indian attire.
    Except for the USA. Where they have bikini tops painted on.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052
    Sean_F said:

    Taz said:

    Here's the image to some quality slash fiction for @viewcode


    WTF !!
    I frequently get the response WTF? to the kind of fanfic I enjoy writing
    It's a bit like the response to my sense of humour which falls into the following catergories.

    1) OMG, that's the funniest thing ever

    and

    2) OMG WTF is wrong you?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052
    edited October 2
    Taz said:

    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    Here's the image to some quality slash fiction for @viewcode


    WTF !!
    Welcome to mpreg...
    I have no plans to google that.
    It is short for male pregnancy (in the world of slash/fan fic.)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,097

    Sean_F said:

    Taz said:

    Here's the image to some quality slash fiction for @viewcode


    WTF !!
    I frequently get the response WTF? to the kind of fanfic I enjoy writing
    It's a bit like the response to my sense of humour which falls into the following catergories.

    1) OMG, that's the funniest thing ever

    and

    2) OMG WTF is wrong you?
    "Humour - it is a difficult concept. It is not logical." - Saavik.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,646
    edited October 2

    Sean_F said:

    Taz said:

    Here's the image to some quality slash fiction for @viewcode


    WTF !!
    I frequently get the response WTF? to the kind of fanfic I enjoy writing
    It's a bit like the response to my sense of humour which falls into the following catergories.

    1) OMG, that's the funniest thing ever

    and

    2) OMG WTF is wrong you?
    It’s about 50/50 in my case. Love and hate are both better than indifference.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,730
    Selebian said:

    Leon said:

    Ms Lam has a point?


    "National guidance says police should consider disclosing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects in high profile cases.

    "In May, Merseyside Police told the public within two hours that they had arrested a “white British man" for driving into a crowd.

    "Why the delay today?"

    https://x.com/Katie_Lam_MP/status/1973745161416155294


    They must know who he is. He's dead in that car park

    His picture is on the front page of the BBC website though, so I don't think we can claim a national cover-up!
    I find it disheartening that a future Prime Minister sees a political opportunity to call out the police as being biased in favour of a particular racial or religious group in the face of a national tragedy. Cheap politics from someone who should know better.

    One might expect such nonsense from Farage, although he, for the moment seems to have kept his counsel.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,682
    edited October 2

    Police declade PLATO

    Apparently a Marauding terrorist attack

    They declared PLATO before 11.00 this morning.
    I haven't been watching it all day and just picked up the announcement
    The bad guy was shot at 10.37. PLATO was declared shortly after. I suspect this is either important or precautionary, even in the case of a lone wolf.
    I am not going to speculate on any of this and in any case the police are about to hold a press conference

    It is not far from where I was born and we had a Jewish community nearby then
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,650
    Selebian said:

    Leon said:

    Ms Lam has a point?


    "National guidance says police should consider disclosing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects in high profile cases.

    "In May, Merseyside Police told the public within two hours that they had arrested a “white British man" for driving into a crowd.

    "Why the delay today?"

    https://x.com/Katie_Lam_MP/status/1973745161416155294


    They must know who he is. He's dead in that car park

    His picture is on the front page of the BBC website though, so I don't think we can claim a national cover-up!
    I doubt Ms Lam has a point. I would suggest that Ms Lam smells blood in the water and is positioning herself. The only issue is whether she can be as rabid as Jenrick.

    The Tories appear to have some form of Tourette's when it come to Reform adjacent subjects.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,768

    Taz said:

    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    Here's the image to some quality slash fiction for @viewcode


    WTF !!
    Welcome to mpreg...
    I have no plans to google that.
    It is short for male pregnancy (in the world of slash/fan fic.)
    Happened recently to Satan in South Park.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,263
    Two other arrests.

    Terror incident declared.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,682
    Declared a terrorist incident
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,052

    NEW THREAD

  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,138
    Leon said:

    I mean, who doesn't want to read this?

    Crucible

    by B.B. Reid

    In this captivating retelling of “Goldilocks and the Three Bears,” Aurelia is a disgraced celebrity whose plane crashes in the remote Canadian wilderness, leaving her the sole survivor. Instead of three bears, however, she finds three brutal, reclusive mountain men — and she doesn’t have to choose just one bed. “Crucible” is the first book in Reid’s self-published Men of the Wilds duology, which was recently picked up by Bloom Books and will be getting a mainstream rerelease early next year.

    You're getting out of touch with the reading matter liked by the laydees :wink:
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,138
    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    Here's the image to some quality slash fiction for @viewcode


    WTF !!
    Welcome to mpreg...
    I have no plans to google that.
    It is short for male pregnancy (in the world of slash/fan fic.)
    Happened recently to Satan in South Park.
    I'm sure there was a political advert here ...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,138
    edited October 2
    Nigelb said:

    Sean_F said:

    @Leon

    The trope originator is The Sheikh, written by Edith Hull, in 1919. The heroine is kidnapped by an Arab Sheikh, and raped repeatedly by him. She naturally falls in love with her rapist. He wants her to marry him, but he is …. an Arab.

    But, it has a happy ending, for eventually it’s revealed that he is really an Englishman, kidnapped by Arabs, as a baby. So, the marriage can go ahead.

    It was hugely popular with young women.

    Samuel Richardson's Pamela, a very early example of the novel form - both at the time scandalous, and hugely popular - follows a similar theme.
    Was fiction so necessary when it was in life, and in the gossip?

    As ever, blame the bloody lawyers.

    Sexual Subcultures
    Voices from the Old BaileySeries 2 Episode 2 of 4

    Amanda Vickery uses court cases to explore the lives of gay men and cross-dressers in the 18th century. Lesbians did not appear in court as lesbianism was not against the law - but we find and record an 18th century lesbian love song, as well as the hilarious 'Bumography'.

    The 3 court cases in the programme range from the tragic to the hilarious. First, the case of a milkman caught in a raid on a gay brothel - and sentenced to death. His father-in-law appears in court to plead for him - it turns out the milkman is a widower, with a daughter to raise. But to no avail: he hangs for the crime of sodomy.

    The second case is blackmail, and reveals the vulnerability of all men at the time to accusations of sodomy. The third stars the hilarious 'Princess Seraphina', a cross-dresser with a bevy of female admirers who turn up in court. It gives a priceless insight into 18th century camp.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b012ww6h
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,044
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here's a weird thing I learned last week

    One of the most popular new genres in fiction is "Dark Romance". Which is a euphemistic name for "rape fantasy fiction". Yes

    Entire novels which are centred around the idea of a villainous "hero" taking, without consent, or with very very blurred consent, the heroine.. Often the "hero" is an actual criminal, often he kidnaps the woman, sometimes there is quite a lot of violence towards the woman

    It's being bought by the shedload, in America, Germany, Scandinavia, and increasingly Britain. Who is buying it? Women

    Didn't you hear about Gillian Anderson's book, Want?

    What rock have you been under?
    You
    Yes, I know that book. It's in the tradition of Nancy Friday and Shere Hite - a non fiction analysis of female sex desires and fantasies

    I am talking about fiction. Topping the bestseller lists, which is all about rape, by stalkers, murderers, Mafia bosses. And women are buying it
    Here's the weird thing, fiction about serial killers is really popular among the 99.99% of us who are potential victims, rather than serial killers.

    This is a weird thing which goes back to the beginning of recorded history, and most likely before that.
    You're not really getting this, are you?

    These are books about rape of young women, where the young woman is often violently abused - choked, tied up, assaulted at gunpoint, knifed, spat on, you get the idea - and then the woman falls in love with the guy that did this. And he's a serial killer, gangster, psycho. Actual psychos

    And the people buying this? Young women
    I'm not quite sure what your point is though? Lots of people read thrillers without ever wanting that to happen to them. Lots of people like horror films.
    Leon presents himself to us as a polymath who knows about new trends before the rest of us, so he can't comprehend that he's late to learning about something to the extent that we are all shrugging our shoulders and not sharing his sense of wonder at his new discovery.
    Well, if you guys knew all about this, you should have pitched the idea of writing about it, like I just did, and was immediately commissioned by my astonished editors
    You appear to be labouring under a misapprehension that I am envious of you for writing articles for a periodical publication. I am not.
    lol, fair

    Nonetheless, despite being a late-comer and an idiot, I have managed to turn my late-coming idiocy into £500 for 2 hours work, which is nice

    Now on to the next
    And what’s that £500 going to get you that you couldn’t have had anyway?

    Nothing. Right, that sorted then.
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