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A Bridget too far? – politicalbetting.com

A lot of focus will be on Andy Burnham outpolling Sir Keir Starmer in a hypothetical leadership contest but this polling is moot given Andy Burnham isn’t an MP, it will be difficult for him to become an MP, and the polling was taken before his recent implosion.

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  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,485
    First - must do some work...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1972660102315282657?s=19

    @TheScreamingEagles

    Survations data might be a good addition to the header
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,485
    As ever with conditional polling we need to understand that there is no vacancy. Add in a huge majority and its easy to think that Starmer will still be there in 2028 when Phillipson has resigned from cabinet because of "XXX" scandal.* I still think there is value in Streeting, little value in Burnham and the next leader may be someone completely off the radar. I don't sense Starmer as someone who will easily give up.

    *At the rate Labour are losing people, this could be by Christmas 2025...
  • I am going to set up a PB crowdfunder to help me deal with the trauma of having to spend a few hours in Kettering when my train was delayed then cancelled.

    It would help fund therapy both with a doctor and of the retail therapy type.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,315

    I am going to set up a PB crowdfunder to help me deal with the trauma of having to spend a few hours in Kettering when my train was delayed then cancelled.

    It would help fund therapy both with a doctor and of the retail therapy type.

    Do you only spend time in the poshest 5% of Sheffield? Or is it that city grime is sophisticated, but provincial grime beyond the pale?
  • Six
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,792

    I am going to set up a PB crowdfunder to help me deal with the trauma of having to spend a few hours in Kettering when my train was delayed then cancelled.

    It would help fund therapy both with a doctor and of the retail therapy type.

    I've got an old ha'penny I could spare!
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 26,032
    edited September 29
    Seven

    EDIT: Didn't work. Curious how many other parents are hearing this all the time too, or if its just mine? Since my kids went back to school at the start of the month, all I seem to hear from them is "six seven".
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    edited September 29
    Merlin Strategy have done a youth poll. 13 to 17 year olds (likely voters by the next election)
    https://merlinstrategy.com/recent-polling/

    Ref 33
    Lab 27
    Con 12
    Grn 12
    LD 7
    SNP 3
    YourParty/A JC party 3
    Indies 2
    PC <1
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,663
    Cheers for the prompt, cashed out on Powell and will put some of it on Phillipson.
  • I am going to set up a PB crowdfunder to help me deal with the trauma of having to spend a few hours in Kettering when my train was delayed then cancelled.

    It would help fund therapy both with a doctor and of the retail therapy type.

    I've got an old ha'penny I could spare!
    I think that's the only contribution I'll get from PBers.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,298

    I am going to set up a PB crowdfunder to help me deal with the trauma of having to spend a few hours in Kettering when my train was delayed then cancelled.

    It would help fund therapy both with a doctor and of the retail therapy type.

    I will only contribute if it is a residential course of therapy held in Kettering.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,844
    "It also found that in 92% of constituencies, more people feel worse off than better or the same as last year.

    Across the country, just four constituencies report feeling 'about the same' and 46 constituencies report feeling 'better off', 35 of which are in London."

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/nigel-farage-reform-uk-5HjdDbZ_2/
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,512
    I've got 2 balls rolling on this. Short of 2026 Starmer exit at 2 2. Long of Streeting for next leader at 10.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,021

    Seven

    EDIT: Didn't work. Curious how many other parents are hearing this all the time too, or if its just mine? Since my kids went back to school at the start of the month, all I seem to hear from them is "six seven".

    Lol. Very much this.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,792
    edited September 29

    Seven

    EDIT: Didn't work. Curious how many other parents are hearing this all the time too, or if its just mine? Since my kids went back to school at the start of the month, all I seem to hear from them is "six seven".

    I know I'm wildly out of the age range, but what does 'six seven' mean?

    Gt. grandson has another two years before he starts school and everyone else, apart from Youngest Granddaughter, who I won't see until Christmas ,has left school.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,681
    A Bridget too far ?

    Just as in the push for Arnhem, a Long Bailey bridge will not be available either.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,649
    edited September 29
    Starmer's day just gets worse

    Also Burnham wants to rejoin the EU

    Now that is a big call

    Will all those dismissing Burham change their minds ?

    Burnham rejects digital ID cards in latest split with Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/29/andy-burnham-economy-rachel-reeves-labour-conference/
  • Nigelb said:

    A Bridget too far ?

    Just as in the push for Arnhem, a Long Bailey bridge will not be available either.

    Yay, somebody spotted my subtle WWII reference!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,681

    Nigelb said:

    A Bridget too far ?

    Just as in the push for Arnhem, a Long Bailey bridge will not be available either.

    Yay, somebody spotted my subtle WWII reference!
    Subtle as a Panzerfaust.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,404
    edited September 29

    Seven

    EDIT: Didn't work. Curious how many other parents are hearing this all the time too, or if its just mine? Since my kids went back to school at the start of the month, all I seem to hear from them is "six seven".

    Lol. Very much this.
    They are at sixes and sevens. Confused. Shrugs. Six 7.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,668

    First - must do some work...

    I'm happy to block your IP address to enable you to concentrate, if that helps.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,792

    Starmer's day just gets worse

    Burnham rejects digital ID cards in latest split with Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/29/andy-burnham-economy-rachel-reeves-labour-conference/

    Burnham should think before sounding off. I realise that this report is in the Torygraph, but even so.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,021

    Seven

    EDIT: Didn't work. Curious how many other parents are hearing this all the time too, or if its just mine? Since my kids went back to school at the start of the month, all I seem to hear from them is "six seven".

    I know I'm wildly out of the age range, but what does 'six seven' mean?

    Gt. grandson has another two years before he starts school and everyone else, apart from Youngest Granddaughter, who I won't see until Christmas ,has left school.
    It's an entirely meaningless meme based on an online video. It's been a thing for a while. The bafflement and irritation it induces among anyone over the age of 18 is no doubt part of its appeal.
  • Starmer's day just gets worse

    Burnham rejects digital ID cards in latest split with Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/29/andy-burnham-economy-rachel-reeves-labour-conference/

    Burnham should think before sounding off. I realise that this report is in the Torygraph, but even so.
    He is - he wants Starmer's job and as I added he wants to rejoin the EU
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,512

    Starmer's day just gets worse

    Also Burnham wants to rejoin the EU

    Now that is a big call

    Will all those dismissing Burham change their minds ?

    Burnham rejects digital ID cards in latest split with Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/29/andy-burnham-economy-rachel-reeves-labour-conference/

    Will the EU accept Andy Burnham as a member?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,300

    Starmer's day just gets worse

    Burnham rejects digital ID cards in latest split with Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/29/andy-burnham-economy-rachel-reeves-labour-conference/

    Burnham should think before sounding off. I realise that this report is in the Torygraph, but even so.
    He is - he wants Starmer's job and as I added he wants to rejoin the EU
    And Building a large pieces of digital infrastructure which is against the fundamental principles of death security and handling in the EU, and is backed by Palantir and Peter Thiel, is quite EU-hostile.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,219
    edited September 29

    Seven

    EDIT: Didn't work. Curious how many other parents are hearing this all the time too, or if its just mine? Since my kids went back to school at the start of the month, all I seem to hear from them is "six seven".

    I know I'm wildly out of the age range, but what does 'six seven' mean?

    Gt. grandson has another two years before he starts school and everyone else, apart from Youngest Granddaughter, who I won't see until Christmas ,has left school.
    It's an entirely meaningless meme based on an online video. It's been a thing for a while. The bafflement and irritation it induces among anyone over the age of 18 is no doubt part of its appeal.
    I was laughed at the other day when I said something was at 6s and 7s, and the “joke” had to be explained to me. They seemed to find it hilarious.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,681
    TimS said:


    Seven

    EDIT: Didn't work. Curious how many other parents are hearing this all the time too, or if its just mine? Since my kids went back to school at the start of the month, all I seem to hear from them is "six seven".

    I know I'm wildly out of the age range, but what does 'six seven' mean?

    Gt. grandson has another two years before he starts school and everyone else, apart from Youngest Granddaughter, who I won't see until Christmas ,has left school.
    It's an entirely meaningless meme based on an online video. It's been a thing for a while. The bafflement and irritation it induces among anyone over the age of 18 is no doubt part of its appeal.
    I was laughed at the other day when I said something was at 6s and 7s, and the “joke” had to be explained to me. They seemed to find it hilarious.
    The juxtaposition of old farts like us, and the young gentleman known as Skrilla, is no doubt worthy of mirth.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,298
    edited September 29
    TimS said:


    Seven

    EDIT: Didn't work. Curious how many other parents are hearing this all the time too, or if its just mine? Since my kids went back to school at the start of the month, all I seem to hear from them is "six seven".

    I know I'm wildly out of the age range, but what does 'six seven' mean?

    Gt. grandson has another two years before he starts school and everyone else, apart from Youngest Granddaughter, who I won't see until Christmas ,has left school.
    It's an entirely meaningless meme based on an online video. It's been a thing for a while. The bafflement and irritation it induces among anyone over the age of 18 is no doubt part of its appeal.
    I was laughed at the other day when I said something was at 6s and 7s, and the “joke” had to be explained to me. They seemed to find it hilarious.
    Now that their Dads are talking about it in their social media siloes I imagine the fun will be sucked out of it and they'll have to move onto the next meme.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,668
    Will this work?

    Merlin Strategy have done a youth poll. 13 to 17 year olds (likely voters by the next election)
    https://merlinstrategy.com/recent-polling/

    Ref 33
    Lab 27
    Con 12
    Grn 12
    LD 7
    SNP 3
    YourParty/A JC party 3
    Indies 2
    PC <1 </p>

    Those 13 year olds aren't going to be able to vote next time around, because there's less than four years until the next General Election.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,844
    edited September 29

    Starmer's day just gets worse

    Also Burnham wants to rejoin the EU

    Now that is a big call

    Will all those dismissing Burham change their minds ?

    Burnham rejects digital ID cards in latest split with Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/29/andy-burnham-economy-rachel-reeves-labour-conference/

    This is wonderful news on ID cards. Maybe Burnham will encourage his supporters to sign the petition which has just reached 2.5 million.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,668
    Weirdly, when I 'quote' people I'm getting a one character too short error, unless I add something before.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,227

    Starmer's day just gets worse

    Burnham rejects digital ID cards in latest split with Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/29/andy-burnham-economy-rachel-reeves-labour-conference/

    Burnham should think before sounding off. I realise that this report is in the Torygraph, but even so.
    He is - he wants Starmer's job and as I added he wants to rejoin the EU
    So he wants us to abandon the pound and join the single currency then?

    Madness on stilts.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,027
    rcs1000 said:

    Weirdly, when I 'quote' people I'm getting a one character too short error, unless I add something before.

    Don't call us Weirdly
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636

    Merlin Strategy have done a youth poll. 13 to 17 year olds (likely voters by the next election)
    https://merlinstrategy.com/recent-polling/

    Ref 33
    Lab 27
    Con 12
    Grn 12
    LD 7
    SNP 3
    YourParty/A JC party 3
    Indies 2
    PC <1 </p>

    Those 13 year olds aren't going to be able to vote next time around, because there's less than four years until the next General Election.



    16 year olds will have the vote at the next election .
  • Starmer's day just gets worse

    Burnham rejects digital ID cards in latest split with Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/29/andy-burnham-economy-rachel-reeves-labour-conference/

    Burnham should think before sounding off. I realise that this report is in the Torygraph, but even so.
    He is - he wants Starmer's job and as I added he wants to rejoin the EU
    So he wants us to abandon the pound and join the single currency then?

    Madness on stilts.
    Your last sentence describes today's Labour party
  • I am going to set up a PB crowdfunder to help me deal with the trauma of having to spend a few hours in Kettering when my train was delayed then cancelled.

    It would help fund therapy both with a doctor and of the retail therapy type.

    I visited Kettering station back in 2015 when I did the Oakham to Corby line. I made it out alive :lol:
  • rcs1000 said:

    Weirdly, when I 'quote' people I'm getting a one character too short error, unless I add something before.

    It's fine on the "main" site.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,668
    rcs1000 said:

    Weirdly, when I 'quote' people I'm getting a one character too short error, unless I add something before.

    Ah, it was because @wooliedyed had messed up the html tags in his post.
  • Starmer's day just gets worse

    Burnham rejects digital ID cards in latest split with Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/29/andy-burnham-economy-rachel-reeves-labour-conference/

    Burnham should think before sounding off. I realise that this report is in the Torygraph, but even so.
    He is - he wants Starmer's job and as I added he wants to rejoin the EU
    So he wants us to abandon the pound and join the single currency then?

    Madness on stilts.
    Your last sentence describes today's Labour party
    Renew Labour, Renew Britain :lol:
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    Annoying
    rcs1000 said:

    Will this work?

    Merlin Strategy have done a youth poll. 13 to 17 year olds (likely voters by the next election)
    https://merlinstrategy.com/recent-polling/

    Ref 33
    Lab 27
    Con 12
    Grn 12
    LD 7
    SNP 3
    YourParty/A JC party 3
    Indies 2
    PC <1 </p>

    Those 13 year olds aren't going to be able to vote next time around, because there's less than four years until the next General Election.

    Ill try it again - 16 year olds will have the vote
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Weirdly, when I 'quote' people I'm getting a one character too short error, unless I add something before.

    Ah, it was because @wooliedyed had messed up the html tags in his post.
    Am I an idiot person?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,027
    To be fair to Burnham he has rather stolen the headlines. But being the stupidest person on the current UK political stage isn't an accolade I'd have sought.

    Corbyn's clearly past it, but David Icke could reemerge as the frontrunner to be next PM.
  • Starmer's day just gets worse

    Burnham rejects digital ID cards in latest split with Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/29/andy-burnham-economy-rachel-reeves-labour-conference/

    Burnham should think before sounding off. I realise that this report is in the Torygraph, but even so.
    He is - he wants Starmer's job and as I added he wants to rejoin the EU
    So he wants us to abandon the pound and join the single currency then?

    Madness on stilts.
    Your last sentence describes today's Labour party
    And all the other parties. Remember them? Mostly even madder.

    A bit satisfying to see one of my predictions coming good, though. Starmer won't move much closer to the EU than he already has. But his successor as Labour leader simply won't get the job from the party without showing a lot more Europhile ankle.

    (And whilst I happen to think it's the right thing to do, it's too soon really. And a Burnham Premiership would be too high a price.)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,300

    I am going to set up a PB crowdfunder to help me deal with the trauma of having to spend a few hours in Kettering when my train was delayed then cancelled.

    It would help fund therapy both with a doctor and of the retail therapy type.

    I visited Kettering station back in 2015 when I did the Oakham to Corby line. I made it out alive :lol:
    {Sunil had problems with the validity of his ticket}


  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,404
    I'm warming to Andy Burnham.
    He's pro PR and Europe. Anti ID cards.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,227
    Barnesian said:

    I'm warming to Andy Burnham.
    He's pro PR and Europe. Anti ID cards.

    He'll make a fine opposition leader.

  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,027
    Barnesian said:

    I'm warming to Andy Burnham.
    He's pro PR and Europe. Anti ID cards.

    I'd go and get that checked out if I was you,
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,404

    Barnesian said:

    I'm warming to Andy Burnham.
    He's pro PR and Europe. Anti ID cards.

    He'll make a fine opposition leader.

    LDs could do business with him.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1972697115903021179?s=19

    He could have been a contender but by the end of day two hes the joke of conference.

    Andy fucking Burnham. A silly little man
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,025
    rcs1000 said:

    Weirdly, when I 'quote' people I'm getting a one character too short error, unless I add something before.

    That happens, now and again
  • Barnesian said:

    I'm warming to Andy Burnham.
    He's pro PR and Europe. Anti ID cards.

    He could join the Lib Dems and challenge Ed Davey even !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,025

    Starmer's day just gets worse

    Burnham rejects digital ID cards in latest split with Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/29/andy-burnham-economy-rachel-reeves-labour-conference/

    Burnham should think before sounding off. I realise that this report is in the Torygraph, but even so.
    He is - he wants Starmer's job and as I added he wants to rejoin the EU
    So he wants us to abandon the pound and join the single currency then?

    Madness on stilts.
    Sweden has managed to avoid it, and if they actually wanted us back, so would we.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    I'm warming to Andy Burnham.
    He's pro PR and Europe. Anti ID cards.

    He'll make a fine opposition leader.

    LDs could do business with him.
    Like they'd say no to Starmer if he came crawling
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,404
    Omnium said:

    Barnesian said:

    I'm warming to Andy Burnham.
    He's pro PR and Europe. Anti ID cards.

    I'd go and get that checked out if I was you,
    Today he spoke on the connection between PR and economic growth.
    Yesterday he declared that he believed Britain should go back into the EU in his lifetime.
    He has rejected digital ID cards in a split with Starmer.
  • https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1972697115903021179?s=19

    He could have been a contender but by the end of day two hes the joke of conference.

    Andy fucking Burnham. A silly little man

    Nah. To be a contender, Burnham needed to have been in Westminster now. Should of stood in 2024. If he had been serious, make that 2019.

    Same as Nigel- if he really wanted to be PM, he needed to be an MP since 2019. Maybe we should be grateful to Bozza and Dom for something.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,584
    edited September 29
    edit
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636

    Barnesian said:

    I'm warming to Andy Burnham.
    He's pro PR and Europe. Anti ID cards.

    He could join the Lib Dems and challenge Ed Davey even !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    If he can get the Cheadle or Hazel Grove MP to stand down he could run as a Libby and go for Davey's job.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    edited September 29

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1972697115903021179?s=19

    He could have been a contender but by the end of day two hes the joke of conference.

    Andy fucking Burnham. A silly little man

    Nah. To be a contender, Burnham needed to have been in Westminster now. Should of stood in 2024. If he had been serious, make that 2019.

    Same as Nigel- if he really wanted to be PM, he needed to be an MP since 2019. Maybe we should be grateful to Bozza and Dom for something.
    It was more for the Quote than a suggestion he actually COULD have been
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,671
    edited September 29

    I am going to set up a PB crowdfunder to help me deal with the trauma of having to spend a few hours in Kettering when my train was delayed then cancelled.

    It would help fund therapy both with a doctor and of the retail therapy type.

    You might have missed a trick!

    I remember way back in 1989 there was a chap on Kettering market selling Northamptonshire shoes, Grenson, Loake, John White and Churches to name a few. I got a pair of Grenson black Oxfords, and a pair of Loake Dunlop Welted golfer sole brown brogues (town and country- what more can you ask for?). They were a tenner each and there were easily removable plastic stickers covering the name on the insole, the name on the sole had been scratched out too, although the red G on the Grenson heel was present. I deduce they were either seconds or knock-offs. They lasted years.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,649
    edited September 29
    Barnesian said:

    Omnium said:

    Barnesian said:

    I'm warming to Andy Burnham.
    He's pro PR and Europe. Anti ID cards.

    I'd go and get that checked out if I was you,
    Today he spoke on the connection between PR and economic growth.
    Yesterday he declared that he believed Britain should go back into the EU in his lifetime.
    He has rejected digital ID cards in a split with Starmer.
    'Yesterday he declared that he believed Britain should go back into the EU in his lifetime.'

    I expect an about turn coming from @Mexicanpete and @Roger saying how great it is Burnham wants to re-join the EU after trashing him previously
  • algarkirk said:

    edit

    Indeed.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    NEW: Rachel Reeves signals she’ll raise gambling taxes at the budget

    “I do think there's a case for gambling firms to pay more”

    “They should pay their fair share of taxes, and we'll make sure that that happens”

    Via ITV

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1972700043011342506?s=19

    Fair share being whatever she makes up
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,850
    In what seems like the most well trodden path for lefties who start to think for themselves, Emma Watson is getting absolutely blasted on bluecry by the "tolerant" and "open minded" people of the left. Being compared to Hitler, death threats, being called a fascist all because she decided that people are free to have their own opinions.

    That audience she sucked up to and cultivated by shitting all over JK Rowling has turned on her and you just love to see it. A taste of what she has been doing to people who she disagreed with for the last decade.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,782
    edited September 29
    Evening. P.B.

    I know what she meant to say, but "Greater Britain" was a bit of an unfortunate moniker for a Labour conference. That was the title of the most popular imperialist tract of the later nineteenth-centuty, albeit Charles Dilke was, fascinatingly, a genuine leftwinger and Radical at the same time, who even helped set up the Labour party itself, after his own withdrawal from front-rank politics.

    On a separate note, good to see the I.D. card petition heading towards three million.

    Hopefully it will be second only, or similar in figures, to the European petition.
  • So King Andy has thrown the towel in, and the Home Secretary has announced a policy that Keir Starmer said was racist at ten past nine yesterday morning. All going brilliantly, isn't it?

  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,027

    NEW: Rachel Reeves signals she’ll raise gambling taxes at the budget

    “I do think there's a case for gambling firms to pay more”

    “They should pay their fair share of taxes, and we'll make sure that that happens”

    Via ITV

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1972700043011342506?s=19

    Fair share being whatever she makes up

    I know it's a minority view but I still think she is doing a really good job as a Labour chancellor. There's little recent history, but Brown clearly got lucky in that Tony steered the political car crash away from the walls. Before that though... doom!
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,199
    edited September 29
    Burnham's make up masks something.....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,671

    NEW: Rachel Reeves signals she’ll raise gambling taxes at the budget

    “I do think there's a case for gambling firms to pay more”

    “They should pay their fair share of taxes, and we'll make sure that that happens”

    Via ITV

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1972700043011342506?s=19

    Fair share being whatever she makes up

    Labour really are sh*t. Cutting services AND raising taxes.

    Reform on the other hand plan to cut taxes for everyone and streamline services, making them better and more efficient for the end user by sacking personnel on an industrial scale, oh and sending foreign workers back to wherever their great, great, great grandfather came from.

    Although I suppose the Conservative offering of cutting taxes and improving services should gain the greatest cut through.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,011
    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    I'm warming to Andy Burnham.
    He's pro PR and Europe. Anti ID cards.

    He'll make a fine opposition leader.

    LDs could do business with him.
    Da Yoof says "who?"
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,668
    IanB2 said:

    Starmer's day just gets worse

    Burnham rejects digital ID cards in latest split with Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/29/andy-burnham-economy-rachel-reeves-labour-conference/

    Burnham should think before sounding off. I realise that this report is in the Torygraph, but even so.
    He is - he wants Starmer's job and as I added he wants to rejoin the EU
    So he wants us to abandon the pound and join the single currency then?

    Madness on stilts.
    Sweden has managed to avoid it, and if they actually wanted us back, so would we.
    It's really not a problem to avoid the Euro: the Czech Republic and Hungary both joined the EU more than 20 years ago (and after the Euro came into being), and neither of them are Eurozone members.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,021

    MaxPB said:

    In what seems like the most well trodden path for lefties who start to think for themselves, Emma Watson is getting absolutely blasted on bluecry by the "tolerant" and "open minded" people of the left. Being compared to Hitler, death threats, being called a fascist all because she decided that people are free to have their own opinions.

    That audience she sucked up to and cultivated by shitting all over JK Rowling has turned on her and you just love to see it. A taste of what she has been doing to people who she disagreed with for the last decade.

    The loudest people on the internet are the most obnoxious. Left or Right it is the same.

    There are plenty of people who are not obnoxious, but they're less noticeable.
    Say it in the street it's a knockout, say it in a tweet it's a cop out. Nothing more to say on the topic.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    edited September 29
    Omnium said:

    NEW: Rachel Reeves signals she’ll raise gambling taxes at the budget

    “I do think there's a case for gambling firms to pay more”

    “They should pay their fair share of taxes, and we'll make sure that that happens”

    Via ITV

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1972700043011342506?s=19

    Fair share being whatever she makes up

    I know it's a minority view but I still think she is doing a really good job as a Labour chancellor. There's little recent history, but Brown clearly got lucky in that Tony steered the political car crash away from the walls. Before that though... doom!
    She hasnt crashed the ship into the pier yet, so shes not the worst imaginable
    I cant think of anything shes actually done that gives me tummy flips though and the economy seems in more peril than July 24 so shes on the provisional forever naughty list

    There are worse in cabinet *cough* Kendall and Phillipson *cough*
  • rcs1000 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Starmer's day just gets worse

    Burnham rejects digital ID cards in latest split with Starmer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/29/andy-burnham-economy-rachel-reeves-labour-conference/

    Burnham should think before sounding off. I realise that this report is in the Torygraph, but even so.
    He is - he wants Starmer's job and as I added he wants to rejoin the EU
    So he wants us to abandon the pound and join the single currency then?

    Madness on stilts.
    Sweden has managed to avoid it, and if they actually wanted us back, so would we.
    It's really not a problem to avoid the Euro: the Czech Republic and Hungary both joined the EU more than 20 years ago (and after the Euro came into being), and neither of them are Eurozone members.
    It's not a practical problem.

    It is a theoretical problem, which might make it a political problem.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,543

    MaxPB said:

    In what seems like the most well trodden path for lefties who start to think for themselves, Emma Watson is getting absolutely blasted on bluecry by the "tolerant" and "open minded" people of the left. Being compared to Hitler, death threats, being called a fascist all because she decided that people are free to have their own opinions.

    That audience she sucked up to and cultivated by shitting all over JK Rowling has turned on her and you just love to see it. A taste of what she has been doing to people who she disagreed with for the last decade.

    The loudest people on the internet are the most obnoxious. Left or Right it is the same.

    There are plenty of people who are not obnoxious, but they're less noticeable.
    Worse: obnoxiousness gets you noticed, e.g. on Twix by retweets. People get angered by what you say, and respond. They retweet you. Which makes you feel like your obnoxious view got noticed.

    Made worse by the fact that views that are obnoxious to some people, e.g.: "Trans people should never be allowed into women's toilets!!!" are not obnoxious, and plain common sense, to others. Another example might be "Drowning migrant kids in the channel should be laughed at."

    Seriously, why are people responding with laughing emojis, and worse, to stories of children drowning in the Channel?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,227
    Hope @Leon 's flight is going smoothly...


    British father dragged off Ryanair flight from hell along with his son and stag do friends faces five years in prison after forcing plane to divert to France by 'trying to open doors in mid-air'

    Daily Mail
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,854
    edited September 29

    MaxPB said:

    In what seems like the most well trodden path for lefties who start to think for themselves, Emma Watson is getting absolutely blasted on bluecry by the "tolerant" and "open minded" people of the left. Being compared to Hitler, death threats, being called a fascist all because she decided that people are free to have their own opinions.

    That audience she, also at the end of the day they were kids stories and I sucked up to and cultivated by shitting all over JK Rowling has turned on her and you just love to see it. A taste of what she has been doing to people who she disagreed with for the last decade.

    Watson did not "shit all over" J K Rowling. She politely expressed a different view, and one which stupid people then said: "How DARE she disagree with someone who had something to do with her employment 20 years ago!!!! She OWES J K Rowling!!!"

    You can easily see it the other way from the way you put it, and that Watson decided to have her own opinions, and was shouted down by Rowling and others. I find it hard to see how you can say what Watson said recently was anything other than polite and considerate, and that Rowling's response was plain nasty.
    I stopped reading the HP books after about the third one, because by that time Jo Rowling was allowed to more or less dispense with any kind of editor and the books were turning into overblown bricks, also they are kids books, and despite the insane hype, they were not really more than that. Ditto the films,

    Latterly I found the way she expressed her views on trans rights unnecessarily aggressive, though I accept that she may have been responding to some pretty strong provocation. My reading of this week is that Emma Watson did not deserve the wrath of the billionaire author, and frankly Rowling has placed herself fairly firmly in the wrong.

    Mind you I also feel that another load of retelling of HP to be maintained for another decade is a combination of flogging a dead horse and naked greed.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,781

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1972697115903021179?s=19

    He could have been a contender but by the end of day two hes the joke of conference.

    Andy fucking Burnham. A silly little man

    You have to be going some to be the joke of that conference.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,298
    Cicero said:

    MaxPB said:

    In what seems like the most well trodden path for lefties who start to think for themselves, Emma Watson is getting absolutely blasted on bluecry by the "tolerant" and "open minded" people of the left. Being compared to Hitler, death threats, being called a fascist all because she decided that people are free to have their own opinions.

    That audience she, also at the end of the day they were kids stories and I sucked up to and cultivated by shitting all over JK Rowling has turned on her and you just love to see it. A taste of what she has been doing to people who she disagreed with for the last decade.

    Watson did not "shit all over" J K Rowling. She politely expressed a different view, and one which stupid people then said: "How DARE she disagree with someone who had something to do with her employment 20 years ago!!!! She OWES J K Rowling!!!"

    You can easily see it the other way from the way you put it, and that Watson decided to have her own opinions, and was shouted down by Rowling and others. I find it hard to see how you can say what Watson said recently was anything other than polite and considerate, and that Rowling's response was plain nasty.
    I stopped reading the HP books after about the third one, because by that time Jo Rowling was allowed to more or less dispense with any kind of editor and the books were turning into overblown bricks, also they are kids books, and despite the insane hype, they were not really more than that. Ditto the films,

    Latterly I found the way she expressed her views on trans rights unnecessarily aggressive, though I accept that she may have been responding to some pretty strong provocation. My reading of this week is that Emma Watson did not deserve the wrath of the billionaire author, and frankly Rowling has placed herself fairly firmly in the wrong.

    Mind you I also feel that another load of retelling of HP to be maintained for another decade is a combination of flogging a dead horse and naked greed.
    Kids books can still be fun and worth reading, send I think the Harry Potter series is in that category and a fine exemplar of the genre. They've been massively popular for good reason.

    The mistake with the adaptations was to make the films. You couldn't do the story justice in that form. Making a TV series is simply correcting that mistake.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,199
    Bye bye Mascara man.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,681
    edited September 29
    UK system, highly cost effective compared with existing alternatives, desperately needed in Ukraine - and would be pretty useful for our own air defences.
    The US ordered first and has bought up the next couple of years of production.
    All for itself.

    Unguided 70mm rockets with the APKWS II guidance kit from British BAE Systems have become the main weapon of the US Air Force against drones after their successful use against Houthi UAVs.

    This was stated by the commander of the US Air Forces Central Command, Lieutenant General Derek France.

    As he noted, "dozens" of UAVs have already been shot down with their help, which would normally require significantly more expensive and complex air-to-air or surface-to-air missiles to destroy.

    https://x.com/visionergeo/status/1972365042373763377

    Well done MoD.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,781

    Barnesian said:

    I'm warming to Andy Burnham.
    He's pro PR and Europe. Anti ID cards.

    He could join the Lib Dems and challenge Ed Davey even !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Presumably decided by a fight with giant Q-tips suspended over a vat of gunge.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,671
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In what seems like the most well trodden path for lefties who start to think for themselves, Emma Watson is getting absolutely blasted on bluecry by the "tolerant" and "open minded" people of the left. Being compared to Hitler, death threats, being called a fascist all because she decided that people are free to have their own opinions.

    That audience she sucked up to and cultivated by shitting all over JK Rowling has turned on her and you just love to see it. A taste of what she has been doing to people who she disagreed with for the last decade.

    Watson did not "shit all over" J K Rowling. She politely expressed a different view, and one which stupid people then said: "How DARE she disagree with someone who had something to do with her employment 20 years ago!!!! She OWES J K Rowling!!!"

    You can easily see it the other way from the way you put it, and that Watson decided to have her own opinions, and was shouted down by Rowling and others. I find it hard to see how you can say what Watson said recently was anything other than polite and considerate, and that Rowling's response was plain nasty.
    You're literally rewriting history. For a decade the left have been trying to cancel JKR, attempted to boycott her books, games and other media she's been responsible for, it was people like Watson who were revving those people up by denouncing Rowling. Now you're saying that it was Watson and Radcliffe being cancelled? Pull the other one. What's changed is that the left lost the argument on crossdressers and transvestites pretending to be women, that has been the turning point for the return of sanity and why it seems Watson has repented from those attempts to cancel JKR.

    As I said, I've got a wife and two daughters who don't have the same megaphone that JKR does to stand up to the TRA bullies, I will always be thankful that she used her voice to protect women's spaces. She deserves an apology from Watson and Radcliffe and I do hope that they begin to see after this backlash against Watson exactly what it is they encouraged and helped create with their denouncements of JKR.
    Rowling is the left. She left Labour to support some sort of Socialist Workers outfit.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,850
    Nigelb said:

    UK system, highly cost effective compared with existing alternatives, desperately needed in Ukraine - and would be pretty useful for our own air defences.
    The US ordered first and has bought up the next couple of years of production.
    All for itself.

    Unguided 70mm rockets with the APKWS II guidance kit from British BAE Systems have become the main weapon of the US Air Force against drones after their successful use against Houthi UAVs.

    This was stated by the commander of the US Air Forces Central Command, Lieutenant General Derek France.

    As he noted, "dozens" of UAVs have already been shot down with their help, which would normally require significantly more expensive and complex air-to-air or surface-to-air missiles to destroy.

    https://x.com/visionergeo/status/1972365042373763377

    Well done MoD.

    If it's such a successful product then BAE would do well to get more orders and build another production site?
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,775
    Cicero said:


    Mind you I also feel that another load of retelling of HP to be maintained for another decade is a combination of flogging a dead horse and naked greed.

    HBO/WB appear to be redoing Potter because they're having trouble coming up with anything new.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,816

    I am going to set up a PB crowdfunder to help me deal with the trauma of having to spend a few hours in Kettering when my train was delayed then cancelled.

    It would help fund therapy both with a doctor and of the retail therapy type.

    I have been stuck in both Motherwell, and been to the little village Tennants pub for a 2 hour wait in Carstairs in the past.

    The worst was getting off at the wrong stop for Plzen, at some little deserted halt and goods yard, a similar wait with some, possibly Roma, kids trying to impress me that they had a big knife and a distinctly young sister who they were happy to offer for my use. I was just English and unfased about it, said no the sister is a bit too young and went ooh that's nice to the knife. They just let me pass.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,781
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wrI06Qq0ZR8

    The only half decent successor to Starmer.

    Though I maintain that people have written Burnham off too easily. He's not much less likely to be leader than he was before the conference. It was unlikely before - it is still unlikely.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,164
    edited September 29
    Very nice to hear of all the multitude of policies Andy Burnham has alongside all his proposed tax and spend changes from the other day. Would he perhaps care to win a mandate for those at the ballot box if he becomes PM, or is he just hoping to become PM and do what the hell he likes (another comparison to Truss).
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,021
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In what seems like the most well trodden path for lefties who start to think for themselves, Emma Watson is getting absolutely blasted on bluecry by the "tolerant" and "open minded" people of the left. Being compared to Hitler, death threats, being called a fascist all because she decided that people are free to have their own opinions.

    That audience she sucked up to and cultivated by shitting all over JK Rowling has turned on her and you just love to see it. A taste of what she has been doing to people who she disagreed with for the last decade.

    Watson did not "shit all over" J K Rowling. She politely expressed a different view, and one which stupid people then said: "How DARE she disagree with someone who had something to do with her employment 20 years ago!!!! She OWES J K Rowling!!!"

    You can easily see it the other way from the way you put it, and that Watson decided to have her own opinions, and was shouted down by Rowling and others. I find it hard to see how you can say what Watson said recently was anything other than polite and considerate, and that Rowling's response was plain nasty.
    You're literally rewriting history. For a decade the left have been trying to cancel JKR, attempted to boycott her books, games and other media she's been responsible for, it was people like Watson who were revving those people up by denouncing Rowling. Now you're saying that it was Watson and Radcliffe being cancelled? Pull the other one. What's changed is that the left lost the argument on crossdressers and transvestites pretending to be women, that has been the turning point for the return of sanity and why it seems Watson has repented from those attempts to cancel JKR.

    As I said, I've got a wife and two daughters who don't have the same megaphone that JKR does to stand up to the TRA bullies, I will always be thankful that she used her voice to protect women's spaces. She deserves an apology from Watson and Radcliffe and I do hope that they begin to see after this backlash against Watson exactly what it is they encouraged and helped create with their denouncements of JKR.
    I've never really got this narrative about toilets etc. Surely now trans men will have to use women's toilets. What's a woman supposed to do if she finds a person who looks like a man in the toilet? Demand that they drop their trousers to check if they are a trans man or a biological man? What's a trans man supposed to do when they are confronted or threatened every time they use a women's toilet? How will any of this make women feel any safer? How will trans women be kept safe in men's toilets? How is any of this anything other than a sideshow when most violence against women and girls is carried out by cis men and usually by someone they know?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,300
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    UK system, highly cost effective compared with existing alternatives, desperately needed in Ukraine - and would be pretty useful for our own air defences.
    The US ordered first and has bought up the next couple of years of production.
    All for itself.

    Unguided 70mm rockets with the APKWS II guidance kit from British BAE Systems have become the main weapon of the US Air Force against drones after their successful use against Houthi UAVs.

    This was stated by the commander of the US Air Forces Central Command, Lieutenant General Derek France.

    As he noted, "dozens" of UAVs have already been shot down with their help, which would normally require significantly more expensive and complex air-to-air or surface-to-air missiles to destroy.

    https://x.com/visionergeo/status/1972365042373763377

    Well done MoD.

    If it's such a successful product then BAE would do well to get more orders and build another production site?
    The guidance system is a US development - BAe got the contract. So the US specified a weapons system, paid for development and bought the production.

    It turns acheap dumb rocket into a cheap smart weapon. It's also being supplied to Ukraine.

    You also need to understand that the UK has unique requirements. Such as the rockets being required to fly sideways, or Bakelite dials on the launch console.

    Plus simply buying a product that already exists and works isn't very fun, is it? No potential for Important People to demonstrate their Vital Importance.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,300
    Foss said:

    Cicero said:


    Mind you I also feel that another load of retelling of HP to be maintained for another decade is a combination of flogging a dead horse and naked greed.

    HBO/WB appear to be redoing Potter because they're having trouble coming up with anything new.
    Yup - and given the recent track record of show runners driving enormously valuable IP into the ground at high speed...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,543
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In what seems like the most well trodden path for lefties who start to think for themselves, Emma Watson is getting absolutely blasted on bluecry by the "tolerant" and "open minded" people of the left. Being compared to Hitler, death threats, being called a fascist all because she decided that people are free to have their own opinions.

    That audience she sucked up to and cultivated by shitting all over JK Rowling has turned on her and you just love to see it. A taste of what she has been doing to people who she disagreed with for the last decade.

    Watson did not "shit all over" J K Rowling. She politely expressed a different view, and one which stupid people then said: "How DARE she disagree with someone who had something to do with her employment 20 years ago!!!! She OWES J K Rowling!!!"

    You can easily see it the other way from the way you put it, and that Watson decided to have her own opinions, and was shouted down by Rowling and others. I find it hard to see how you can say what Watson said recently was anything other than polite and considerate, and that Rowling's response was plain nasty.
    You're literally rewriting history. For a decade the left have been trying to cancel JKR, attempted to boycott her books, games and other media she's been responsible for, it was people like Watson who were revving those people up by denouncing Rowling. Now you're saying that it was Watson and Radcliffe being cancelled? Pull the other one. What's changed is that the left lost the argument on crossdressers and transvestites pretending to be women, that has been the turning point for the return of sanity and why it seems Watson has repented from those attempts to cancel JKR.

    As I said, I've got a wife and two daughters who don't have the same megaphone that JKR does to stand up to the TRA bullies, I will always be thankful that she used her voice to protect women's spaces. She deserves an apology from Watson and Radcliffe and I do hope that they begin to see after this backlash against Watson exactly what it is they encouraged and helped create with their denouncements of JKR.
    JKR is on the *left*. As ever with the political spectrum, you can get various views that could be seen at the other side of the centrist dads.

    And you should separate what Watson has said from what you see of the 'left': she is an individual, and should be treated as such,

    And where did I say Watson and Radcliffe had been cancelled? I've said no such thing. If you are going to debate, at least debate honestly.

    And what about the TERF bullies? Or are you so deluded as to think the bullies are only on one side?

    I await an apology from you to the trans people who are affected by all this rubbish. No? Then who are you to demand an apology from others?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,464

    Hope @Leon 's flight is going smoothly...


    British father dragged off Ryanair flight from hell along with his son and stag do friends faces five years in prison after forcing plane to divert to France by 'trying to open doors in mid-air'

    Daily Mail

    It is of course basically impossible to open an airline door once the cabin has been pressurised. But since most people don't know that, I can imagine it would cause quite a lot of alarm...
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,298

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In what seems like the most well trodden path for lefties who start to think for themselves, Emma Watson is getting absolutely blasted on bluecry by the "tolerant" and "open minded" people of the left. Being compared to Hitler, death threats, being called a fascist all because she decided that people are free to have their own opinions.

    That audience she sucked up to and cultivated by shitting all over JK Rowling has turned on her and you just love to see it. A taste of what she has been doing to people who she disagreed with for the last decade.

    Watson did not "shit all over" J K Rowling. She politely expressed a different view, and one which stupid people then said: "How DARE she disagree with someone who had something to do with her employment 20 years ago!!!! She OWES J K Rowling!!!"

    You can easily see it the other way from the way you put it, and that Watson decided to have her own opinions, and was shouted down by Rowling and others. I find it hard to see how you can say what Watson said recently was anything other than polite and considerate, and that Rowling's response was plain nasty.
    You're literally rewriting history. For a decade the left have been trying to cancel JKR, attempted to boycott her books, games and other media she's been responsible for, it was people like Watson who were revving those people up by denouncing Rowling. Now you're saying that it was Watson and Radcliffe being cancelled? Pull the other one. What's changed is that the left lost the argument on crossdressers and transvestites pretending to be women, that has been the turning point for the return of sanity and why it seems Watson has repented from those attempts to cancel JKR.

    As I said, I've got a wife and two daughters who don't have the same megaphone that JKR does to stand up to the TRA bullies, I will always be thankful that she used her voice to protect women's spaces. She deserves an apology from Watson and Radcliffe and I do hope that they begin to see after this backlash against Watson exactly what it is they encouraged and helped create with their denouncements of JKR.
    I've never really got this narrative about toilets etc. Surely now trans men will have to use women's toilets. What's a woman supposed to do if she finds a person who looks like a man in the toilet? Demand that they drop their trousers to check if they are a trans man or a biological man? What's a trans man supposed to do when they are confronted or threatened every time they use a women's toilet? How will any of this make women feel any safer? How will trans women be kept safe in men's toilets? How is any of this anything other than a sideshow when most violence against women and girls is carried out by cis men and usually by someone they know?
    I agree that toilets are a sideshow. The most important situations are things like hospital wards, or prisons, where you have extremely vulnerable people who cannot choose to walk away from a situation they feel threatened in, due to illness and, well, imprisonment, and the State has a duty of care not to put them at risk by putting men into their space.
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