Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
People are sick of the "process state". That's why Farage is heading for no 10.
People won't like it better when it is a process-free state, with Farage signing off executive orders like a down market Trump.
The point is that the modern Process State is straight out of James Burnham.
Its priority is the process, the people are fodder to be fed to it. It is inhumane in the deepest sense.
The latest idea, to commoditise The Headcount and sell their lives to Peter Thiel, is more of the same.
Reform being a shower of shit and not the answer, doesn’t change that.
“I live in the Managerial Age, in a world of "Admin." The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" that Dickens loved to paint. It is not done even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
Sir Keir Starmer is the least popular prime minister on record, a poll has shown. Rachel Reeves is now also the least popular chancellor since records began, it found.
Double Whammy.
I still find it quite incredible how much the public dislike them. And its only year 2.
Never been into golf, but the sight of Europeans whopping the arses of Trumpite America on its own soil is most gratifying.
I never gave a fig for who won the Ryder Cup that much, was t a huge fan of the whole European thing but started caring when the US turned it into a golf Rodeo with all the “USA, USA, USA” chants and massive chauvinistic take.
It was a great competition played in a friendly and joyful way but then became grimly oppositional due to US crowds.
So I’m very happy for the US to get beasted rather than Europe winning.
Sir Keir Starmer is the least popular prime minister on record, a poll has shown. Rachel Reeves is now also the least popular chancellor since records began, it found.
Double Whammy.
I still find it quite incredible how much the public dislike them.
It's a unique collision involving
1. Total incompetence
2. Gross hypocrisy
and
3. (in Starmer's case) Outright treachery - he dislikes native Britons and does things that pointlessly hurt Britain - Chagos
How interesting, yet again. This is from March, just after Starmer and Glasman had met Thiel and Palantir in the U.S., and were reportedly enthusiastic about a "national" A. I. System.
"In March, Trump signed an executive order requiring all agencies and departments of the federal government to share data on Americans. To get the job done, Trump chose Palantir Technologies.
According to New York Times reporting, Palantir’s software may now be used to combine data gleaned from the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Defense, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Social Security Administration and the Internal Revenue Service. Meanwhile, the administration wants access to citizens’ and others’ bank account numbers and medical claims."
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
It's definitely true that people don't like him. My friends who are reliably middle of the road lefties that buy into some of the woke nonsense don't like him at all. That's his only remaining support base and they're turning on him too.
Sir Keir Starmer is the least popular prime minister on record, a poll has shown. Rachel Reeves is now also the least popular chancellor since records began, it found.
Double Whammy.
I still find it quite incredible how much the public dislike them.
It's a unique collision involving
1. Total incompetence
2. Gross hypocrisy
and
3. (in Starmer's case) Outright treachery - he dislikes native Britons and does things that pointlessly hurt Britain - Chagos
He's a dead man walking
Even so, he hasn't led UK into another war, been caught shagging the intern while high on drugs at an international conference, etc. Normally the public take longer to catch on to the more slow motion process bad stuff that politicians get up to. But Mr Empty Desk and Mrs Customer Service seem to have an unique ability to have pissed everybody off.
I think Rory McIlroy is more popular with the Americans at the Ryder cup than Starmer and Reeves is with the British public.....and Rory gets booed during every shot.
How interesting, yet again. This is from March, just after Starmer and Glasman had met Thiel and Palantir in the U.S.
"In March, Trump signed an executive order requiring all agencies and departments of the federal government to share data on Americans. To get the job done, Trump chose Palantir Technologies.
According to New York Times reporting, Palantir’s software may now be used to combine data gleaned from the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Defense, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Social Security Administration and the Internal Revenue Service. Meanwhile, the administration wants access to citizens’ and others’ bank account numbers and medical claims."
Sir Keir Starmer is the least popular prime minister on record, a poll has shown. Rachel Reeves is now also the least popular chancellor since records began, it found.
Double Whammy.
I still find it quite incredible how much the public dislike them.
It's a unique collision involving
1. Total incompetence
2. Gross hypocrisy
and
3. (in Starmer's case) Outright treachery - he dislikes native Britons and does things that pointlessly hurt Britain - Chagos
He's a dead man walking
The Ipsos poll, if repeated at a GE, would result in the Conservatives holding on to 7 seats.
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
It's definitely true that people don't like him. My friends who are reliably middle of the road lefties that buy into some of the woke nonsense don't like him at all. That's his only remaining support base and they're turning on him too.
Indeed. The best my lefty friends can manage is "he's not quite that bad" and "he's still a terrible politican and has to go"
And that's loyalist Labourites! People on the right or further left absolutely despise him, with a viscerality I have never encountered before. Hence his awful polling. The worst ever. I was not imagining it
But now we've agreed all that, what next? This is PB, we predict things. I sense Burnham has probably blown it, and his obstacles are huge
I'd be looking at Rayner. If she can get back in the game - and why not? - she's a shoo-in
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
It's definitely true that people don't like him. My friends who are reliably middle of the road lefties that buy into some of the woke nonsense don't like him at all. That's his only remaining support base and they're turning on him too.
Genuinely interested. Why do you think they don't like him? His whole USP was he was boring but not the Tories and definitely wouldn't piss off / scare exactly the sort of people you are talking about. He is supposedly the embodiment of the soft lefty technocrat / managerial class.
Sir Keir Starmer is the least popular prime minister on record, a poll has shown. Rachel Reeves is now also the least popular chancellor since records began, it found.
Double Whammy.
I still find it quite incredible how much the public dislike them.
It's a unique collision involving
1. Total incompetence
2. Gross hypocrisy
and
3. (in Starmer's case) Outright treachery - he dislikes native Britons and does things that pointlessly hurt Britain - Chagos
He's a dead man walking
It's because he hasn't delivered a left-wing agenda. These kinds of rating are only possible from someone experiencing stereo disillusionment.
Sir Keir Starmer is the least popular prime minister on record, a poll has shown. Rachel Reeves is now also the least popular chancellor since records began, it found.
Double Whammy.
I still find it quite incredible how much the public dislike them.
It's a unique collision involving
1. Total incompetence
2. Gross hypocrisy
and
3. (in Starmer's case) Outright treachery - he dislikes native Britons and does things that pointlessly hurt Britain - Chagos
He's a dead man walking
It's because he hasn't delivered a left-wing agenda. These kinds of rating are only possible from someone experiencing stereo disillusionment.
People are sick of the "process state". That's why Farage is heading for no 10.
People won't like it better when it is a process-free state, with Farage signing off executive orders like a down market Trump.
The point is that the modern Process State is straight out of James Burnham.
Its priority is the process, the people are fodder to be fed to it. It is inhumane in the deepest sense.
The latest idea, to commoditise The Headcount and sell their lives to Peter Thiel, is more of the same.
Reform being a shower of shit and not the answer, doesn’t change that.
I know its a bit of an obsession of yours, but what is the alternative to a state that follows a process?
It seems to me the alternative is a state that makes capricious decisions, without a process. It sounds like a recipie for corruption and cronyism, with politicians bunging contracts to their mates, over-riding legal objections and arbitrary actions. In short it sounds like tyranny.
The purpose of the state is to serve the people.
Not the state to have the people served to it, for consumption.
Consider the Post Office - according to high officials, they were forced to prosecute the SPMs on grounds they (the HOs) knew to be spurious. They were forced to lie in court. They were forced to take bonuses - paid for in part by money extorted from the innocent.
That’s your Process State.
I understand that some have done well out it.
The Process needs humility, compassion & decency. The goal is the people, not the Process.
Perhaps that is hard to understand. It is very simple - no linear rule set can define the human condition. We are too complex. Therefore we must always have human judgement in the rules.
Sir Keir Starmer is the least popular prime minister on record, a poll has shown. Rachel Reeves is now also the least popular chancellor since records began, it found.
Double Whammy.
I still find it quite incredible how much the public dislike them.
It's a unique collision involving
1. Total incompetence
2. Gross hypocrisy
and
3. (in Starmer's case) Outright treachery - he dislikes native Britons and does things that pointlessly hurt Britain - Chagos
He's a dead man walking
The Ipsos poll, if repeated at a GE, would result in the Conservatives holding on to 7 seats.
I was wondering if the MRP looked close to Tories being behind the SNP in seats as 5th place, but at this rate will be behind the DUP or even the Gaza Independents.
How interesting, yet again. This is from March, just after Starmer and Glasman had met Thiel and Palantir in the U.S.
"In March, Trump signed an executive order requiring all agencies and departments of the federal government to share data on Americans. To get the job done, Trump chose Palantir Technologies.
According to New York Times reporting, Palantir’s software may now be used to combine data gleaned from the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Defense, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Social Security Administration and the Internal Revenue Service. Meanwhile, the administration wants access to citizens’ and others’ bank account numbers and medical claims."
The predator class are at it again...
Where Theil, the tech billionaires, the acolytes of Ayn Rand are wrong, is in thinking that societies function effectively because of the brilliance of a tiny elite.
Whereas what is far more important is a much larger class of competent and honest middle to senior management, and their equivalent, among professional people.
If Atlas Shrugged, someone just as talented would take his place. There are far more great artists, writers, musicians, creative entrepreneurs out there than there are jobs available to them.
This problem is compounded by their wish to turn the elite into a hereditary closed caste.
People are sick of the "process state". That's why Farage is heading for no 10.
People won't like it better when it is a process-free state, with Farage signing off executive orders like a down market Trump.
The point is that the modern Process State is straight out of James Burnham.
Its priority is the process, the people are fodder to be fed to it. It is inhumane in the deepest sense.
The latest idea, to commoditise The Headcount and sell their lives to Peter Thiel, is more of the same.
Reform being a shower of shit and not the answer, doesn’t change that.
I know its a bit of an obsession of yours, but what is the alternative to a state that follows a process?
It seems to me the alternative is a state that makes capricious decisions, without a process. It sounds like a recipie for corruption and cronyism, with politicians bunging contracts to their mates, over-riding legal objections and arbitrary actions. In short it sounds like tyranny.
The purpose of the state is to serve the people.
Not the state to have the people served to it, for consumption.
Consider the Post Office - according to high officials, they were forced to prosecute the SPMs on grounds they (the HOs) knew to be spurious. They were forced to lie in court. They were forced to take bonuses - paid for in part by money extorted from the innocent.
That’s your Process State.
I understand that some have done well out it.
The Process needs humility, compassion & decency. The goal is the people, not the Process.
Perhaps that is hard to understand. It is very simple - no linear rule set can define the human condition. We are too complex. Therefore we must always have human judgement in the rules.
Computer Says No - that’s your tyranny.
But the opposite -- too much autonomy and no process -- is a recipe for corruption. So, how do we find the balance?
Sir Keir Starmer is the least popular prime minister on record, a poll has shown. Rachel Reeves is now also the least popular chancellor since records began, it found.
Double Whammy.
I still find it quite incredible how much the public dislike them.
It's a unique collision involving
1. Total incompetence
2. Gross hypocrisy
and
3. (in Starmer's case) Outright treachery - he dislikes native Britons and does things that pointlessly hurt Britain - Chagos
He's a dead man walking
It's because he hasn't delivered a left-wing agenda. These kinds of rating are only possible from someone experiencing stereo disillusionment.
But, of course, Reform voters regard Sir Keir as a Marxist, while the Left say he's indistinguishable from Reform. Political positioning is tough these days.
People are sick of the "process state". That's why Farage is heading for no 10.
People won't like it better when it is a process-free state, with Farage signing off executive orders like a down market Trump.
The point is that the modern Process State is straight out of James Burnham.
Its priority is the process, the people are fodder to be fed to it. It is inhumane in the deepest sense.
The latest idea, to commoditise The Headcount and sell their lives to Peter Thiel, is more of the same.
Reform being a shower of shit and not the answer, doesn’t change that.
I know its a bit of an obsession of yours, but what is the alternative to a state that follows a process?
It seems to me the alternative is a state that makes capricious decisions, without a process. It sounds like a recipie for corruption and cronyism, with politicians bunging contracts to their mates, over-riding legal objections and arbitrary actions. In short it sounds like tyranny.
The purpose of the state is to serve the people.
Not the state to have the people served to it, for consumption.
Consider the Post Office - according to high officials, they were forced to prosecute the SPMs on grounds they (the HOs) knew to be spurious. They were forced to lie in court. They were forced to take bonuses - paid for in part by money extorted from the innocent.
That’s your Process State.
I understand that some have done well out it.
The Process needs humility, compassion & decency. The goal is the people, not the Process.
Perhaps that is hard to understand. It is very simple - no linear rule set can define the human condition. We are too complex. Therefore we must always have human judgement in the rules.
Computer Says No - that’s your tyranny.
But the opposite -- too much autonomy and no process -- is a recipe for corruption. So, how do we find the balance?
A good start would be to impose real punishments, for incompetence, dishonesty, and failure.
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
It's definitely true that people don't like him. My friends who are reliably middle of the road lefties that buy into some of the woke nonsense don't like him at all. That's his only remaining support base and they're turning on him too.
Genuinely interested. Why do you think they don't like him? His whole USP was he was boring but not the Tories and definitely wouldn't piss off / scare exactly the sort of people you are talking about. He is supposedly the embodiment of the soft lefty technocrat / managerial class.
There's a great article in today's Guardian that explains why he is doing so badly:
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
No.
This is the worst ratings with Ipsos.
Liz Truss hit lower with other pollsters.
lol
Don't we regard Ipsos as the gold standard of leader ratings?
We do but the caveat Ben Page of Ipsos made at the time was Liz Truss was PM for such a short time Ipsos only managed to conduct two full polls during her premiership (the first one was mostly conducted during her first two full days as PM*) and the second one was two weeks before she quit so didn't get to poll on the really dire period for her.
The expectation was if they had polled on the last few days before she quit her rating would be close to zero than the 8 to 10 other pollsters were finding.
I wonder if Starmer will resign out of basic shame and (understandable) dismay
What is it like, to be THIS unpopular? He knows almost everyone has contempt for him. He is widely derided with the chant "wanker". He has no loyal core or political base that supports him
For the human being - there must be one in there - it's got to be very hard, lonely and sad
Perhaps for his sake he should just call it a day. If not, he will surely be forced to go next year
Sir Keir Starmer is the least popular prime minister on record, a poll has shown. Rachel Reeves is now also the least popular chancellor since records began, it found.
Double Whammy.
I still find it quite incredible how much the public dislike them.
It's a unique collision involving
1. Total incompetence
2. Gross hypocrisy
and
3. (in Starmer's case) Outright treachery - he dislikes native Britons and does things that pointlessly hurt Britain - Chagos
He's a dead man walking
The Ipsos poll, if repeated at a GE, would result in the Conservatives holding on to 7 seats.
I was wondering if the MRP looked close to Tories being behind the SNP in seats as 5th place, but at this rate will be behind the DUP or even the Gaza Independents.
It would take a heart of stone...
Not the greatest fan of the Tories but let us hope in the next couple of years when Farage is shown up for the Trump/ Putin adjacent Charlatan he is the Tories find themselves on just over 30 and Reform on 15.
I wonder if Starmer will resign out of basic shame and (understandable) dismay
What is it like, to be THIS unpopular? He knows almost everyone has contempt for him. He is widely derided with the chant "wanker". He has no loyal core or political base that supports him
For the human being - there must be one in there - it's got to be very hard, lonely and sad
Perhaps for his sake he should just call it a day. If not, he will surely be forced to go next year
Mr Empty Desk will never resign. They will have to drag him out. You only have to see his reaction to things like freebie-gate.
I wonder if Starmer will resign out of basic shame and (understandable) dismay
What is it like, to be THIS unpopular? He knows almost everyone has contempt for him. He is widely derided with the chant "wanker". He has no loyal core or political base that supports him
For the human being - there must be one in there - it's got to be very hard, lonely and sad
Perhaps for his sake he should just call it a day. If not, he will surely be forced to go next year
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
It's definitely true that people don't like him. My friends who are reliably middle of the road lefties that buy into some of the woke nonsense don't like him at all. That's his only remaining support base and they're turning on him too.
Genuinely interested. Why do you think they don't like him? His whole USP was he was boring but not the Tories and definitely wouldn't piss off / scare exactly the sort of people you are talking about. He is supposedly the embodiment of the soft lefty technocrat / managerial class.
There's a great article in today's Guardian that explains why he is doing so badly:
It's pretty obvious really. People didn't vote Labour to get Reform-lite.
A social democratic party that promises reduced immigration, and actually delivers on that promise, like the Danish Social Democrats, will pull voters back from the radical right.
I wonder if Starmer will resign out of basic shame and (understandable) dismay
What is it like, to be THIS unpopular? He knows almost everyone has contempt for him. He is widely derided with the chant "wanker". He has no loyal core or political base that supports him
For the human being - there must be one in there - it's got to be very hard, lonely and sad
Perhaps for his sake he should just call it a day. If not, he will surely be forced to go next year
I wonder if Starmer will resign out of basic shame and (understandable) dismay
What is it like, to be THIS unpopular? He knows almost everyone has contempt for him. He is widely derided with the chant "wanker". He has no loyal core or political base that supports him
For the human being - there must be one in there - it's got to be very hard, lonely and sad
Perhaps for his sake he should just call it a day. If not, he will surely be forced to go next year
Like I wrote the other day, Keir Starmer has passed the point of no return. The Labour Party can spend the next week doing the dance if they like. But there is simply no coming back from figures like this.
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
It's definitely true that people don't like him. My friends who are reliably middle of the road lefties that buy into some of the woke nonsense don't like him at all. That's his only remaining support base and they're turning on him too.
Genuinely interested. Why do you think they don't like him? His whole USP was he was boring but not the Tories and definitely wouldn't piss off / scare exactly the sort of people you are talking about. He is supposedly the embodiment of the soft lefty technocrat / managerial class.
There's a great article in today's Guardian that explains why he is doing so badly:
It's pretty obvious really. People didn't vote Labour to get Reform-lite.
A social democratic party that promises reduced immigration, and actually delivers on that promise, like the Danish Social Democrats, will pull voters back from the radical right.
Well, we will see. Immigration is pretty certain to be sharply down from the 740 000 odd in the year to June 2024.
I dont think it will make much difference. It isnt about flow any more, but rather about mass deportation of legal immigrants, or friends and colleagues as I know them.
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
It's definitely true that people don't like him. My friends who are reliably middle of the road lefties that buy into some of the woke nonsense don't like him at all. That's his only remaining support base and they're turning on him too.
Genuinely interested. Why do you think they don't like him? His whole USP was he was boring but not the Tories and definitely wouldn't piss off / scare exactly the sort of people you are talking about. He is supposedly the embodiment of the soft lefty technocrat / managerial class.
There's a great article in today's Guardian that explains why he is doing so badly:
It's pretty obvious really. People didn't vote Labour to get Reform-lite.
A social democratic party that promises reduced immigration, and actually delivers on that promise, like the Danish Social Democrats, will pull voters back from the radical right.
Well, we will see. Immigration is pretty certain to be sharply down from the 740 000 odd in the year to June 2024.
I dont think it will make much difference. It isnt about flow any more, but rather about mass deportation of legal immigrants, or friends and colleagues as I know them.
All the forecasts are that it will still be 300k+ even after even "tougher" rules, which is still far too high for many people's likings. So Starmer won't get any credit if he starts boasting he got it down to 300-400k.
I do wonder how much Cameron's less than 100k policy has anchored a lot of people view as that being a reasonable number and much above that is seen as too much.
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
It's definitely true that people don't like him. My friends who are reliably middle of the road lefties that buy into some of the woke nonsense don't like him at all. That's his only remaining support base and they're turning on him too.
Genuinely interested. Why do you think they don't like him? His whole USP was he was boring but not the Tories and definitely wouldn't piss off / scare exactly the sort of people you are talking about. He is supposedly the embodiment of the soft lefty technocrat / managerial class.
There's a great article in today's Guardian that explains why he is doing so badly:
It's pretty obvious really. People didn't vote Labour to get Reform-lite.
A social democratic party that promises reduced immigration, and actually delivers on that promise, like the Danish Social Democrats, will pull voters back from the radical right.
Well, we will see. Immigration is pretty certain to be sharply down from the 740 000 odd in the year to June 2024.
I dont think it will make much difference. It isnt about flow any more, but rather about mass deportation of legal immigrants, or friends and colleagues as I know them.
Too many have come, too quickly
What is the answer, but deportation? We do it already, in the tens of thousands. Labour gloat about it
Reform would just accelerate this. Welcome to the New West of the Populist Right
An interesting little piece about a chap called "Max Stenner" setting up something called "Christian Democracy UK". Max is from Cornwall, and is a RefUK activist, having jumped over from the SDP.
It's set up as a pressure group, but is coming out with a Manifesto.
Their "Heads of Policy" are called Richard Cunningham and Ashley Davies. Richard is with a thing called The National Distributionist Party, and is interesting . I don't know anything about Ashley.
I wonder if Starmer will resign out of basic shame and (understandable) dismay
What is it like, to be THIS unpopular? He knows almost everyone has contempt for him. He is widely derided with the chant "wanker". He has no loyal core or political base that supports him
For the human being - there must be one in there - it's got to be very hard, lonely and sad
Perhaps for his sake he should just call it a day. If not, he will surely be forced to go next year
Like I wrote the other day, Keir Starmer has passed the point of no return. The Labour Party can spend the next week doing the dance if they like. But there is simply no coming back from figures like this.
Save for a white swan event I suspect Hodges is correct.
Starmer has been a great disappointment, however in Brexit Britain he was the Shadow Minister for Reversing Brexit. We don't forgive and forget that kind of treachery.
An interesting little piece about a chap called "Max Stenner" setting up something called "Christian Democracy UK". Max is from Cornwall, and is a RefUK activist, having jumped over from the SDP.
It's set up as a pressure group, but is coming out with a Manifesto.
Their "Head of Policy" are someone called Richard Cunningham and Ashley Davies. Richard is with a thing called The Distributionist Party, and is interesting . I don't know anything about Ashley.
I wonder if Starmer will resign out of basic shame and (understandable) dismay
What is it like, to be THIS unpopular? He knows almost everyone has contempt for him. He is widely derided with the chant "wanker". He has no loyal core or political base that supports him
For the human being - there must be one in there - it's got to be very hard, lonely and sad
Perhaps for his sake he should just call it a day. If not, he will surely be forced to go next year
Like I wrote the other day, Keir Starmer has passed the point of no return. The Labour Party can spend the next week doing the dance if they like. But there is simply no coming back from figures like this.
Save for a white swan event I suspect Hodges is correct.
Starmer has been a great disappointment, however in Brexit Britain he was the Shadow Minister for Reversing Brexit. We don't forgive and forget that kind of treachery.
Is a "White Swan Event" what I would know as Sunday roast?
People are sick of the "process state". That's why Farage is heading for no 10.
People won't like it better when it is a process-free state, with Farage signing off executive orders like a down market Trump.
The point is that the modern Process State is straight out of James Burnham.
Its priority is the process, the people are fodder to be fed to it. It is inhumane in the deepest sense.
The latest idea, to commoditise The Headcount and sell their lives to Peter Thiel, is more of the same.
Reform being a shower of shit and not the answer, doesn’t change that.
I know its a bit of an obsession of yours, but what is the alternative to a state that follows a process?
It seems to me the alternative is a state that makes capricious decisions, without a process. It sounds like a recipie for corruption and cronyism, with politicians bunging contracts to their mates, over-riding legal objections and arbitrary actions. In short it sounds like tyranny.
*Adopts Marlborough man voice*
It sounds like…America
And when, in 5 years time, @Foxy has a car accident victim wheeled in without a citizenship card, will he follow The Process established by Emperor Farage.
And not treat him/her?
After all, if you don’t follow The Process established by the government - it’s tyranny.
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
It's definitely true that people don't like him. My friends who are reliably middle of the road lefties that buy into some of the woke nonsense don't like him at all. That's his only remaining support base and they're turning on him too.
Genuinely interested. Why do you think they don't like him? His whole USP was he was boring but not the Tories and definitely wouldn't piss off / scare exactly the sort of people you are talking about. He is supposedly the embodiment of the soft lefty technocrat / managerial class.
There's a great article in today's Guardian that explains why he is doing so badly:
It's pretty obvious really. People didn't vote Labour to get Reform-lite.
A social democratic party that promises reduced immigration, and actually delivers on that promise, like the Danish Social Democrats, will pull voters back from the radical right.
Well, we will see. Immigration is pretty certain to be sharply down from the 740 000 odd in the year to June 2024.
I dont think it will make much difference. It isnt about flow any more, but rather about mass deportation of legal immigrants, or friends and colleagues as I know them.
Too many have come, too quickly
What is the answer, but deportation? We do it already, in the tens of thousands. Labour gloat about it
Reform would just accelerate this. Welcome to the New West of the Populist Right
You are missing the point. The gulf between deporting people here illegally, and a policy of mass deportation of those who are here legally, including UK citizens, EU settled status, and ILRs and have done this country no harm is immense. One is realism. The other is a wicked fascist malignity. And to be practical, the entire opinion forming middle class, include Spectator writers, include such people amomg their friends, acquaintance and neighbours.
As I mentioned before, it includes my German friend who plays the Last Post on the trumpet at our Remembrance Sunday service.
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
It's definitely true that people don't like him. My friends who are reliably middle of the road lefties that buy into some of the woke nonsense don't like him at all. That's his only remaining support base and they're turning on him too.
Genuinely interested. Why do you think they don't like him? His whole USP was he was boring but not the Tories and definitely wouldn't piss off / scare exactly the sort of people you are talking about. He is supposedly the embodiment of the soft lefty technocrat / managerial class.
There's a great article in today's Guardian that explains why he is doing so badly:
It's pretty obvious really. People didn't vote Labour to get Reform-lite.
A social democratic party that promises reduced immigration, and actually delivers on that promise, like the Danish Social Democrats, will pull voters back from the radical right.
Well, we will see. Immigration is pretty certain to be sharply down from the 740 000 odd in the year to June 2024.
I dont think it will make much difference. It isnt about flow any more, but rather about mass deportation of legal immigrants, or friends and colleagues as I know them.
All the forecasts are that it will still be 300k+ even after even "tougher" rules, which is still far too high for many people's likings. So Starmer won't get any credit if he starts boasting he got it down to 300-400k.
I do wonder how much Cameron's less than 100k policy has anchored a lot of people view as that being a reasonable number and much above that is seen as too much.
But this is almost inevitable now given how many are already here and the current rules about bringing family, spouses and relatives. The huge base from the subcontinent will generate 6 figures of new immigrants every year.
I wonder if Starmer will resign out of basic shame and (understandable) dismay
What is it like, to be THIS unpopular? He knows almost everyone has contempt for him. He is widely derided with the chant "wanker". He has no loyal core or political base that supports him
For the human being - there must be one in there - it's got to be very hard, lonely and sad
Perhaps for his sake he should just call it a day. If not, he will surely be forced to go next year
Like I wrote the other day, Keir Starmer has passed the point of no return. The Labour Party can spend the next week doing the dance if they like. But there is simply no coming back from figures like this.
Save for a white swan event I suspect Hodges is correct.
Starmer has been a great disappointment, however in Brexit Britain he was the Shadow Minister for Reversing Brexit. We don't forgive and forget that kind of treachery.
Is a "White Swan Event" what I would know as Sunday roast?
Are you Eastern European and living in a Halfords tent on the banks of the Thames?And is it 2013?
'preparing' carries some weight there. I expect Putin has had his generals "preparing" to sweep through Poland and Germany to Paris but that doesn't mean it will happen IRL.
Agreed, I’m preparing to spend next weekend with Salma Hayek, I’m told by people who suck up to me it’s possible.
Alice Roberts.
I do hope it's a physical rather than a political attraction, Sunil.
What's wrong with her politics? She doesn't support Reform does she?!
In partial defense of American lawyers: The Loser has brought them, over the years, enormous amounts of business -- but most seem not to care for him. And many of the more competent are now refusing to represent him.
(I hope TSE will excuse this heretical thought. And I will admit that I have no idea whether it applies to lawyers in the UK.)
The New Statesman has some very interesting infirmation on the influence of Larry Ellison on the Blair Institute's push for digital I.D., of which more a bit later.
It's looking more and more obvious that the entire digital I.D. scheme is the fruit of the combined influence of Ellison on Blair, and Thiel on Starmer.
Here's Larry Ellison, speaking just today in Dubai :
:"Oracle co-founder Larry Ellison today proposed unifying citizen data including health records, finances, and voting history into databases to enable AI applications in public services like fraud detection and resource allocation."
The New Statesman has some very interesting details on the influence of Larry Ellison on the Blair Institute's push for digital I.D., of which more a bit larer. It's looking more and more obvious that the entire digital I.D. scheme is the fruit of the combined influence of Ellison on Blair, and Thiel on Starmer.
Here's Larry Ellison, speaking just today in Dubai :
:"Oracle co-founder Larry Ellison today proposed unifying citizen data including health records, finances, and voting history into databases to enable AI applications in public services like fraud detection and resource allocation."
Personal data is the lootable resource of the 21st century, and don't the predator class know it!
Speaking of heretical thoughts: Is it possible that Carrie may have helped Boris grow up a little? I haven't heard anything about him for some time, and have begun to wonder whether no news is good news.
People are sick of the "process state". That's why Farage is heading for no 10.
People won't like it better when it is a process-free state, with Farage signing off executive orders like a down market Trump.
The point is that the modern Process State is straight out of James Burnham.
Its priority is the process, the people are fodder to be fed to it. It is inhumane in the deepest sense.
The latest idea, to commoditise The Headcount and sell their lives to Peter Thiel, is more of the same.
Reform being a shower of shit and not the answer, doesn’t change that.
I know its a bit of an obsession of yours, but what is the alternative to a state that follows a process?
It seems to me the alternative is a state that makes capricious decisions, without a process. It sounds like a recipie for corruption and cronyism, with politicians bunging contracts to their mates, over-riding legal objections and arbitrary actions. In short it sounds like tyranny.
Liberalism, where the population makes their own decisions rather than being bound by the decisions of an overbearing process state.
The New Statesman has some very interesting details on the influence of Larry Ellison on the Blair Institute's push for digital I.D., of which more a bit larer. It's looking more and more obvious that the entire digital I.D. scheme is the fruit of the combined influence of Ellison on Blair, and Thiel on Starmer.
Here's Larry Ellison, speaking just today in Dubai :
:"Oracle co-founder Larry Ellison today proposed unifying citizen data including health records, finances, and voting history into databases to enable AI applications in public services like fraud detection and resource allocation."
Personal data is the lootable resource of the 21st century, and don't the predator class know it!
To quote a quip by Brian Cantrill: "Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison. You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don’t anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn - you stick your hand in there and it’ll chop it off, the end. You don’t think "oh, the lawnmower hates me" – lawnmower doesn’t give a shit about you, lawnmower can’t hate you. Don’t anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don’t fall into that trap about Oracle."
People are sick of the "process state". That's why Farage is heading for no 10.
People won't like it better when it is a process-free state, with Farage signing off executive orders like a down market Trump.
The point is that the modern Process State is straight out of James Burnham.
Its priority is the process, the people are fodder to be fed to it. It is inhumane in the deepest sense.
The latest idea, to commoditise The Headcount and sell their lives to Peter Thiel, is more of the same.
Reform being a shower of shit and not the answer, doesn’t change that.
I know its a bit of an obsession of yours, but what is the alternative to a state that follows a process?
It seems to me the alternative is a state that makes capricious decisions, without a process. It sounds like a recipie for corruption and cronyism, with politicians bunging contracts to their mates, over-riding legal objections and arbitrary actions. In short it sounds like tyranny.
The purpose of the state is to serve the people.
Not the state to have the people served to it, for consumption.
Consider the Post Office - according to high officials, they were forced to prosecute the SPMs on grounds they (the HOs) knew to be spurious. They were forced to lie in court. They were forced to take bonuses - paid for in part by money extorted from the innocent.
That’s your Process State.
I understand that some have done well out it.
The Process needs humility, compassion & decency. The goal is the people, not the Process.
Perhaps that is hard to understand. It is very simple - no linear rule set can define the human condition. We are too complex. Therefore we must always have human judgement in the rules.
Computer Says No - that’s your tyranny.
But the opposite -- too much autonomy and no process -- is a recipe for corruption. So, how do we find the balance?
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
It's definitely true that people don't like him. My friends who are reliably middle of the road lefties that buy into some of the woke nonsense don't like him at all. That's his only remaining support base and they're turning on him too.
Genuinely interested. Why do you think they don't like him? His whole USP was he was boring but not the Tories and definitely wouldn't piss off / scare exactly the sort of people you are talking about. He is supposedly the embodiment of the soft lefty technocrat / managerial class.
There's a great article in today's Guardian that explains why he is doing so badly:
It's pretty obvious really. People didn't vote Labour to get Reform-lite.
A social democratic party that promises reduced immigration, and actually delivers on that promise, like the Danish Social Democrats, will pull voters back from the radical right.
Well, we will see. Immigration is pretty certain to be sharply down from the 740 000 odd in the year to June 2024.
I dont think it will make much difference. It isnt about flow any more, but rather about mass deportation of legal immigrants, or friends and colleagues as I know them.
Too many have come, too quickly
What is the answer, but deportation? We do it already, in the tens of thousands. Labour gloat about it
Reform would just accelerate this. Welcome to the New West of the Populist Right
You are missing the point. The gulf between deporting people here illegally, and a policy of mass deportation of those who are here legally, including UK citizens, EU settled status, and ILRs and have done this country no harm is immense. One is realism. The other is a wicked fascist malignity. And to be practical, the entire opinion forming middle class, include Spectator writers, include such people amomg their friends, acquaintance and neighbours.
As I mentioned before, it includes my German friend who plays the Last Post on the trumpet at our Remembrance Sunday service.
The New Statesman has some very interesting details on the influence of Larry Ellison on the Blair Institute's push for digital I.D., of which more a bit larer. It's looking more and more obvious that the entire digital I.D. scheme is the fruit of the combined influence of Ellison on Blair, and Thiel on Starmer.
Here's Larry Ellison, speaking just today in Dubai :
:"Oracle co-founder Larry Ellison today proposed unifying citizen data including health records, finances, and voting history into databases to enable AI applications in public services like fraud detection and resource allocation."
Personal data is the lootable resource of the 21st century, and don't the predator class know it!
To quote a quip by Brian Cantrill: "Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison. You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don’t anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn - you stick your hand in there and it’ll chop it off, the end. You don’t think "oh, the lawnmower hates me" – lawnmower doesn’t give a shit about you, lawnmower can’t hate you. Don’t anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don’t fall into that trap about Oracle."
I always assumed Larry Ellison was the inspiration for Hank Scorpio in the Simpsons.
Hank Scorpio: By the way, Homer, what's your least favorite country? Italy or France? Homer: France. [Scorpio adjusts a giant laser cannon pointing towards the sky] Hank Scorpio: Heh heh heh. Nobody ever says Italy...
People are sick of the "process state". That's why Farage is heading for no 10.
People won't like it better when it is a process-free state, with Farage signing off executive orders like a down market Trump.
The point is that the modern Process State is straight out of James Burnham.
Its priority is the process, the people are fodder to be fed to it. It is inhumane in the deepest sense.
The latest idea, to commoditise The Headcount and sell their lives to Peter Thiel, is more of the same.
Reform being a shower of shit and not the answer, doesn’t change that.
I know its a bit of an obsession of yours, but what is the alternative to a state that follows a process?
It seems to me the alternative is a state that makes capricious decisions, without a process. It sounds like a recipie for corruption and cronyism, with politicians bunging contracts to their mates, over-riding legal objections and arbitrary actions. In short it sounds like tyranny.
Process is important. But not as important as doing the right thing. If the process gets in the way of the right thing then it is flawed and should be amended.
For example: the delays to paying out compensation where the state has been found to have failed (blood infections; post office).
The New Statesman has some very interesting details on the influence of Larry Ellison on the Blair Institute's push for digital I.D., of which more a bit larer. It's looking more and more obvious that the entire digital I.D. scheme is the fruit of the combined influence of Ellison on Blair, and Thiel on Starmer.
Here's Larry Ellison, speaking just today in Dubai :
:"Oracle co-founder Larry Ellison today proposed unifying citizen data including health records, finances, and voting history into databases to enable AI applications in public services like fraud detection and resource allocation."
Personal data is the lootable resource of the 21st century, and don't the predator class know it!
To quote a quip by Brian Cantrill: "Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison. You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don’t anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn - you stick your hand in there and it’ll chop it off, the end. You don’t think "oh, the lawnmower hates me" – lawnmower doesn’t give a shit about you, lawnmower can’t hate you. Don’t anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don’t fall into that trap about Oracle."
I always assumed Larry Ellison was the inspiration for Hank Scorpio in the Simpsons.
Hank Scorpio: By the way, Homer, what's your least favorite country? Italy or France? Homer: France. [Scorpio adjusts a giant laser cannon pointing towards the sky] Hank Scorpio: Heh heh heh. Nobody ever says Italy...
Garbage
No one who ever worked for Uncle Larry would ever think he was a great boss.
Hank Scorpio loved his employees. His exit interview for Homer was a master piece of understanding and decency.
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
It's definitely true that people don't like him. My friends who are reliably middle of the road lefties that buy into some of the woke nonsense don't like him at all. That's his only remaining support base and they're turning on him too.
Genuinely interested. Why do you think they don't like him? His whole USP was he was boring but not the Tories and definitely wouldn't piss off / scare exactly the sort of people you are talking about. He is supposedly the embodiment of the soft lefty technocrat / managerial class.
There's a great article in today's Guardian that explains why he is doing so badly:
It's pretty obvious really. People didn't vote Labour to get Reform-lite.
A social democratic party that promises reduced immigration, and actually delivers on that promise, like the Danish Social Democrats, will pull voters back from the radical right.
Well, we will see. Immigration is pretty certain to be sharply down from the 740 000 odd in the year to June 2024.
I dont think it will make much difference. It isnt about flow any more, but rather about mass deportation of legal immigrants, or friends and colleagues as I know them.
Too many have come, too quickly
What is the answer, but deportation? We do it already, in the tens of thousands. Labour gloat about it
Reform would just accelerate this. Welcome to the New West of the Populist Right
You are missing the point. The gulf between deporting people here illegally, and a policy of mass deportation of those who are here legally, including UK citizens, EU settled status, and ILRs and have done this country no harm is immense. One is realism. The other is a wicked fascist malignity. And to be practical, the entire opinion forming middle class, include Spectator writers, include such people amomg their friends, acquaintance and neighbours.
As I mentioned before, it includes my German friend who plays the Last Post on the trumpet at our Remembrance Sunday service.
Middle classes to the barricades!!
What a lot of histrionic, bed-wetting nonsense
You are too hard on yourself. That was one of your shorter, less tedious posts.
"The investigative newsrooms Lighthouse Reports and Democracy for Sale interviewed 29 current and former Tony Blair Institute staff, most on condition of anonymity. Supported by public documents and those obtained under freedom of information (FoI) laws, the testimony describes an organisation unusually close to the British government, able to lobby ministers directly, and which holds joint retreats with Oracle and is willing to engage in “tech sales” with governments in the rest of the world.
“When it comes to tech policy,” said one former senior adviser at TBI, “Oracle and TBI are inseparable.”
People are sick of the "process state". That's why Farage is heading for no 10.
People won't like it better when it is a process-free state, with Farage signing off executive orders like a down market Trump.
The point is that the modern Process State is straight out of James Burnham.
Its priority is the process, the people are fodder to be fed to it. It is inhumane in the deepest sense.
The latest idea, to commoditise The Headcount and sell their lives to Peter Thiel, is more of the same.
Reform being a shower of shit and not the answer, doesn’t change that.
I know its a bit of an obsession of yours, but what is the alternative to a state that follows a process?
It seems to me the alternative is a state that makes capricious decisions, without a process. It sounds like a recipie for corruption and cronyism, with politicians bunging contracts to their mates, over-riding legal objections and arbitrary actions. In short it sounds like tyranny.
Process is important. But not as important as doing the right thing. If the process gets in the way of the right thing then it is flawed and should be amended.
For example: the delays to paying out compensation where the state has been found to have failed (blood infections; post office).
Sure, but that is just about adjusting the process, not getting rid of it.
Of course process should be democratically accountable, and compliant with the law. So it is perfectly within the remit of a process state to pay out over the Post Office and blood scandals. The problem is that the government (and previous ones) haven't budgeted the funds, not that the system is unwilling.
1988855 from the UK. Not that it'll matter in 20 minutes.
Are the overseas petitioners ex-pats or vacationers, or can anyone add their name?
You're required to mark that you're a 'British citizens or UK resident'. That appears to be the limit of the vetting - though I suppose they could be keeping an eye on geoip stuff in the background.
"German Chancellor Friedrich Merz on Friday said he wants to put a “stick in the wheels” of the EU’s legislative machine, railing against overregulation by officials in Brussels.
Speaking to businesspeople from his Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union alliance, Merz said he planned to bring a “precise list of demands” and “very concrete demands” to limit overregulation from Brussels to an informal EU leaders’ meeting next week in Copenhagen."
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
It's definitely true that people don't like him. My friends who are reliably middle of the road lefties that buy into some of the woke nonsense don't like him at all. That's his only remaining support base and they're turning on him too.
Genuinely interested. Why do you think they don't like him? His whole USP was he was boring but not the Tories and definitely wouldn't piss off / scare exactly the sort of people you are talking about. He is supposedly the embodiment of the soft lefty technocrat / managerial class.
He made a lot of promises about competence but even they realise the government has been lurching from crisis to crisis. I think the freebies also really put them off early on at least from what I remember it just put him into the same category as the Tories they'd been so desperate to kick out. It's the whole promising to be the "grown ups" but being worse than Rishi and Hunt and only barely above Boris for blatant corruption.
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
It's definitely true that people don't like him. My friends who are reliably middle of the road lefties that buy into some of the woke nonsense don't like him at all. That's his only remaining support base and they're turning on him too.
Genuinely interested. Why do you think they don't like him? His whole USP was he was boring but not the Tories and definitely wouldn't piss off / scare exactly the sort of people you are talking about. He is supposedly the embodiment of the soft lefty technocrat / managerial class.
There's a great article in today's Guardian that explains why he is doing so badly:
& that change predates the recent UK government announcements.
(I also note in passing that this article singularly fails to mention Denmark, which did implement far reaching immigration changes & defanged the far right.)
"Larry Ellison invested $130 million in the Tony Blair Institute between 2021 and 2023, with a further $218 million pledged since then. The scale of funding took the TBI from a headcount of 200 to approaching 1,000. Blair himself takes no salary from TBI but over this time the institute has been able to recruit from bluechip firms like McKinsey and Silicon Valley giants Meta. In 2018 before the Oracle founder’s funding surge, TBI’s best-paid director earned $400,000. In 2023, the last year where accounts are available, the top earner took home $1.26 million."
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
It's definitely true that people don't like him. My friends who are reliably middle of the road lefties that buy into some of the woke nonsense don't like him at all. That's his only remaining support base and they're turning on him too.
Genuinely interested. Why do you think they don't like him? His whole USP was he was boring but not the Tories and definitely wouldn't piss off / scare exactly the sort of people you are talking about. He is supposedly the embodiment of the soft lefty technocrat / managerial class.
There's a great article in today's Guardian that explains why he is doing so badly:
It's pretty obvious really. People didn't vote Labour to get Reform-lite.
A social democratic party that promises reduced immigration, and actually delivers on that promise, like the Danish Social Democrats, will pull voters back from the radical right.
Well, we will see. Immigration is pretty certain to be sharply down from the 740 000 odd in the year to June 2024.
I dont think it will make much difference. It isnt about flow any more, but rather about mass deportation of legal immigrants, or friends and colleagues as I know them.
Too many have come, too quickly
What is the answer, but deportation? We do it already, in the tens of thousands. Labour gloat about it
Reform would just accelerate this. Welcome to the New West of the Populist Right
You are missing the point. The gulf between deporting people here illegally, and a policy of mass deportation of those who are here legally, including UK citizens, EU settled status, and ILRs and have done this country no harm is immense. One is realism. The other is a wicked fascist malignity. And to be practical, the entire opinion forming middle class, include Spectator writers, include such people amomg their friends, acquaintance and neighbours.
As I mentioned before, it includes my German friend who plays the Last Post on the trumpet at our Remembrance Sunday service.
Middle classes to the barricades!!
What a lot of histrionic, bed-wetting nonsense
You are too hard on yourself. That was one of your shorter, less tedious posts.
My god, what an incredible rhetorical device you employed there
You LITERALLY pretended that one of my comments was referring to another of my comments. You conjured up this weary idea and you thought "Yes that's good". Then you sat there, on your f*cking stupid commode of infinite dullness, and you thought "Oh this will be funny", and then you excreted your absurd and mortifying remark, and you actually invited equally lonely freaks - @IanB2 - to gather around the chamber pot of your intellect, so as to poke at the stool of your stupidity
That's actually and literally what you did. Right there, in front of us
People are sick of the "process state". That's why Farage is heading for no 10.
People won't like it better when it is a process-free state, with Farage signing off executive orders like a down market Trump.
The point is that the modern Process State is straight out of James Burnham.
Its priority is the process, the people are fodder to be fed to it. It is inhumane in the deepest sense.
The latest idea, to commoditise The Headcount and sell their lives to Peter Thiel, is more of the same.
Reform being a shower of shit and not the answer, doesn’t change that.
I know its a bit of an obsession of yours, but what is the alternative to a state that follows a process?
It seems to me the alternative is a state that makes capricious decisions, without a process. It sounds like a recipie for corruption and cronyism, with politicians bunging contracts to their mates, over-riding legal objections and arbitrary actions. In short it sounds like tyranny.
Process is important. But not as important as doing the right thing. If the process gets in the way of the right thing then it is flawed and should be amended.
For example: the delays to paying out compensation where the state has been found to have failed (blood infections; post office).
Sure, but that is just about adjusting the process, not getting rid of it.
Of course process should be democratically accountable, and compliant with the law. So it is perfectly within the remit of a process state to pay out over the Post Office and blood scandals. The problem is that the government (and previous ones) haven't budgeted the funds, not that the system is unwilling.
I think it’s a definitional issue.
A well run state has processes. A “process state” is a state in which the process is all that matters.
“The government hadn’t budgeted for it” is a fucking pathetic excuse. I thought better of you @Foxy. Setting aside the fact that contingency funds are included in budgets to deal with stuff like this, the state has been found guilty by courts and instructed to pay compensation to citizens that it has harmed. It should do so quickly and efficiently.
This probably sums up how a lot of people opposed to ID cards feel.
"Rupert Lowe MP @RupertLowe10 British people don’t ask for much, really. A chance to raise a family in a safe town, with a good job and an opportunity to build a bit of security for the future. A place for their children at a solid school, the odd GP appointment when they need one and a police force that will actually turn up if there is ever trouble.
In short - we just want to get on with our lives in peace, with as little interference from the state as possible.
That really isn’t too much to ask, is it?
Please just leave us alone. That’s the British way. I like it like that.
Instead, we are being dragged into a world where the Government wants to track, log, and verify every aspect of our existence. I don’t want that. The British people don’t want that. We certainly didn't vote for it.
Let’s be clear. This has got absolutely sod all to do with illegal immigration.
I’m not even going to discuss that.
It’s about control. That’s it. The slow creep of a surveillance state that says you cannot live, work, or travel without proving yourself to the system first.
It happened once, during COVID. It was a disaster, as many of us said at the time.
Putting aside the morality behind the scheme, the Government will NOT be able to do it. These people are incompetent, the state is incompetent, it is all incompetent.
Do you trust them to effectively run such a scheme? Without leaks, breaches and cyber attacks?
It will be an unrelenting shitshow - I promise you that.
And what? We don’t have anything else to be focusing on? The country is such a utopia that vast amounts of Government time, energy and resource will now be spent fighting to implement this scheme? Really?
When it is introduced, it will grow and grow. We will never get rid of it.
We must draw a line in the sand, now. Sign the petition, write to your MP, make your voice heard. It does matter.
As an MP, I will do everything in my power to fight this - in Parliament and through Restore Britain, where plans are already underway to expose and fight the plans."
What does Lowe think was the disaster during COVID-19?
The stay at home orders and then the COVID passport or whatever it was called, presumably.
The sight of people losing their jobs in care homes because they weren't vaccinated felt very un-British. (Not saying I had a better answer to the issue).
So, he was one of those people who just wanted to pretend that there wasn’t a problem? Stiff upper lip and let the bodies pile up?
It was possible to acknowledge there was a problem, without such a terrible infringement on our liberties. As Sweden did so much better than us.
Lots of countries managed COVID-19 better than us, lots managed worse than us. Did Lowe have any concrete suggestions for how to manage better? (I know your ideas. You were in the let the bodies pile up camp.)
Sweden fared badly compared to its neighbours and introduced more restrictions as time went on. If you want countries that did better, it’s weird to keep saying Sweden. Look to Japan or Taiwan. Japan had no national lockdown and much lower infection rates. Of course, they did have local lockdowns and restrictions on infected individuals, and a better funded public health system.
Part of Japans success is the strong sense of social obligation, so people voluntarily complied in order to protect each other. Theirs isnt a toxic libertarianism.
in truth, a lot of Covid deaths came down to "how fat you are as a nation"
Britain is a tubby place, so we did quite badly, American is even fatter, they did worse, Peru is a nation of waddlers, etc
Whereas the Japanese have some of the lowest obesity rates on the planet
The Japanese are much more used to serious epidemics and take them seriously. We were not, and too many of out population cannot be trusted to do the right thing. Covid deaths certainly correlate a bit to pre-existing health conditions but the biggest factor is age. 50% of the dead were over 80.
I think PB is agreed that Starmer is a goner, and will go, and has to go, or Labour has no chance
What, then, is the optimum timing? For his party? 2026 or 2027? 2028 is surely too late, there might actually be a GE. 2027 is cutting it fine to establish a new persona and a new direction (if such a thing is possible)
2026 it is. To my mind. After the spring elex, of course - which will be suitably dire for Lab
Am I reading it correct that a poll tonight makes Starmer worst PM ever
Including Truss????
If so that is astounding
And I was told to "leave the site" - in much uglier terms - for being too unfair on Skyr. Halfwit Dads told me I was polling all my own friends, and deluded - "Starmer isn't that unpopular". @Gardenwalker came on here and said the anti-Starmer stuff is wildly overdone
They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
It's definitely true that people don't like him. My friends who are reliably middle of the road lefties that buy into some of the woke nonsense don't like him at all. That's his only remaining support base and they're turning on him too.
Genuinely interested. Why do you think they don't like him? His whole USP was he was boring but not the Tories and definitely wouldn't piss off / scare exactly the sort of people you are talking about. He is supposedly the embodiment of the soft lefty technocrat / managerial class.
There's a great article in today's Guardian that explains why he is doing so badly:
& that change predates the recent UK government announcements.
(I also note in passing that this article singularly fails to mention Denmark, which did implement far reaching immigration changes & defanged the far right.)
Indeed and every government will fall until the issue of immigration is resolved to a degree that voters think is enough. Even reform will fall of they don't propey handle immigration and deliver net zero migration or net emigration as they have promised. Labour will live and die by the same rules as the other parties and simply ignoring or welcoming immigration won't work. If anything they'll lose faster. Being pro-migration is a niche stance in this country and the PB centrists who say that Laboir are losing by being reform-lite haven't got a clue about the depth of anger in the nation about the subject.
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They were all wrong, and I was right. Starmer is uniquely loathed. You can feel it, I felt it, this is the case
I do not see how he recovers and he will be gone next year
Double Whammy.
I still find it quite incredible how much the public dislike them. And its only year 2.
It was a great competition played in a friendly and joyful way but then became grimly oppositional due to US crowds.
So I’m very happy for the US to get beasted rather than Europe winning.
1. Total incompetence
2. Gross hypocrisy
and
3. (in Starmer's case) Outright treachery - he dislikes native Britons and does things that pointlessly hurt Britain - Chagos
He's a dead man walking
How interesting, yet again. This is from March, just after Starmer and Glasman had met Thiel and Palantir in the U.S., and were reportedly enthusiastic about a "national" A. I. System.
"In March, Trump signed an executive order requiring all agencies and departments of the federal government to share data on Americans. To get the job done, Trump chose Palantir Technologies.
According to New York Times reporting, Palantir’s software may now be used to combine data gleaned from the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Defense, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Social Security Administration and the Internal Revenue Service. Meanwhile, the administration wants access to citizens’ and others’ bank account numbers and medical claims."
I think Rory McIlroy is more popular with the Americans at the Ryder cup than Starmer and Reeves is with the British public.....and Rory gets booed during every shot.
And that's loyalist Labourites! People on the right or further left absolutely despise him, with a viscerality I have never encountered before. Hence his awful polling. The worst ever. I was not imagining it
But now we've agreed all that, what next? This is PB, we predict things. I sense Burnham has probably blown it, and his obstacles are huge
I'd be looking at Rayner. If she can get back in the game - and why not? - she's a shoo-in
This is the worst ratings with Ipsos.
Liz Truss hit lower with other pollsters.
Don't we regard Ipsos as the gold standard of leader ratings?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78nj53vy28o
You'd hope we were past this. Poor chap.
Not the state to have the people served to it, for consumption.
Consider the Post Office - according to high officials, they were forced to prosecute the SPMs on grounds they (the HOs) knew to be spurious. They were forced to lie in court. They were forced to take bonuses - paid for in part by money extorted from the innocent.
That’s your Process State.
I understand that some have done well out it.
The Process needs humility, compassion & decency. The goal is the people, not the Process.
Perhaps that is hard to understand. It is very simple - no linear rule set can define the human condition. We are too complex. Therefore we must always have human judgement in the rules.
Computer Says No - that’s your tyranny.
It would take a heart of stone...
Whereas what is far more important is a much larger class of competent and honest middle to senior management, and their equivalent, among professional people.
If Atlas Shrugged, someone just as talented would take his place. There are far more great artists, writers, musicians, creative entrepreneurs out there than there are jobs available to them.
This problem is compounded by their wish to turn the elite into a hereditary closed caste.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/26/labour-reform-uk-nigel-farage-immigration-voters?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
It's pretty obvious really. People didn't vote Labour to get Reform-lite.
The expectation was if they had polled on the last few days before she quit her rating would be close to zero than the 8 to 10 other pollsters were finding.
*And was slightly flawed due to the Queen dying.
What is it like, to be THIS unpopular? He knows almost everyone has contempt for him. He is widely derided with the chant "wanker". He has no loyal core or political base that supports him
For the human being - there must be one in there - it's got to be very hard, lonely and sad
Perhaps for his sake he should just call it a day. If not, he will surely be forced to go next year
Indeed, if any PBers ever feel confused and paranoid (that's most of you) then make sure your detector is working is properly.
You really do not know any lawyers do you.
Oh, hi TSE!
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
Like I wrote the other day, Keir Starmer has passed the point of no return. The Labour Party can spend the next week doing the dance if they like. But there is simply no coming back from figures like this.
https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1972006969663017126
I dont think it will make much difference. It isnt about flow any more, but rather about mass deportation of legal immigrants, or friends and colleagues as I know them.
I do wonder how much Cameron's less than 100k policy has anchored a lot of people view as that being a reasonable number and much above that is seen as too much.
https://x.com/jamierkennedy/status/1971584943076831728
What is the answer, but deportation? We do it already, in the tens of thousands. Labour gloat about it
Reform would just accelerate this. Welcome to the New West of the Populist Right
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ygjv0r2myo
Russia has no intention of attacking EU or Nato states, foreign minister says
It's set up as a pressure group, but is coming out with a Manifesto.
Their "Heads of Policy" are called Richard Cunningham and Ashley Davies. Richard is with a thing called The National Distributionist Party, and is interesting . I don't know anything about Ashley.
(You get 2 free articles per month, so most should be able to get to it if interested.)
https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2025/26-september/news/uk/student-founds-christian-pressure-group-to-chart-path-beyond-left-and-right
Starmer has been a great disappointment, however in Brexit Britain he was the Shadow Minister for Reversing Brexit. We don't forgive and forget that kind of treachery.
And not treat him/her?
After all, if you don’t follow The Process established by the government - it’s tyranny.
As I mentioned before, it includes my German friend who plays the Last Post on the trumpet at our Remembrance Sunday service.
Middle classes to the barricades!!
(I hope TSE will excuse this heretical thought. And I will admit that I have no idea whether it applies to lawyers in the UK.)
It's looking more and more obvious that the entire digital I.D. scheme is the fruit of the combined influence of Ellison on Blair, and Thiel on Starmer.
Here's Larry Ellison, speaking just today in Dubai :
:"Oracle co-founder Larry Ellison today proposed unifying citizen data including health records, finances, and voting history into databases to enable AI applications in public services like fraud detection and resource allocation."
A pallet of chocolate fell on an employee.
Sadly nobody came to his rescue as every time he cried "the Milky Bars are on me" his colleagues just cheered.
Hank Scorpio: By the way, Homer, what's your least favorite country? Italy or France?
Homer: France.
[Scorpio adjusts a giant laser cannon pointing towards the sky]
Hank Scorpio: Heh heh heh. Nobody ever says Italy...
For example: the delays to paying out compensation where the state has been found to have failed (blood infections; post office).
No one who ever worked for Uncle Larry would ever think he was a great boss.
Hank Scorpio loved his employees. His exit interview for Homer was a master piece of understanding and decency.
“When it comes to tech policy,” said one former senior adviser at TBI, “Oracle and TBI are inseparable.”
Of course process should be democratically accountable, and compliant with the law. So it is perfectly within the remit of a process state to pay out over the Post Office and blood scandals. The problem is that the government (and previous ones) haven't budgeted the funds, not that the system is unwilling.
"German Chancellor Friedrich Merz on Friday said he wants to put a “stick in the wheels” of the EU’s legislative machine, railing against overregulation by officials in Brussels.
Speaking to businesspeople from his Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union alliance, Merz said he planned to bring a “precise list of demands” and “very concrete demands” to limit overregulation from Brussels to an informal EU leaders’ meeting next week in Copenhagen."
Or he may be posturing, of course.
& that change predates the recent UK government announcements.
(I also note in passing that this article singularly fails to mention Denmark, which did implement far reaching immigration changes & defanged the far right.)
You LITERALLY pretended that one of my comments was referring to another of my comments. You conjured up this weary idea and you thought "Yes that's good". Then you sat there, on your f*cking stupid commode of infinite dullness, and you thought "Oh this will be funny", and then you excreted your absurd and mortifying remark, and you actually invited equally lonely freaks - @IanB2 - to gather around the chamber pot of your intellect, so as to poke at the stool of your stupidity
That's actually and literally what you did. Right there, in front of us
He's done
A well run state has processes. A “process state” is a state in which the process is all that matters.
“The government hadn’t budgeted for it” is a fucking pathetic excuse. I thought better of you @Foxy. Setting aside the fact that contingency funds are included in budgets to deal with stuff like this, the state has been found guilty by courts and instructed to pay compensation to citizens that it has harmed. It should do so quickly and efficiently.
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So you have to be ugly and have bad teeth to play?
What, then, is the optimum timing? For his party? 2026 or 2027? 2028 is surely too late, there might actually be a GE. 2027 is cutting it fine to establish a new persona and a new direction (if such a thing is possible)
2026 it is. To my mind. After the spring elex, of course - which will be suitably dire for Lab