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  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,701
    Just had Primrose Hill drinks with an old friend I haven’t seen since Xmas

    Two observations

    1. Primrose Hill remains an exceptionally lovely part of the world. It is urbanism perfected, really. We used to do it - and we can do it again

    2. My friend - usually apolitical - offered, unprompted, a blistering attack on Starmer. So the PB centrist dorks can whine all they like - but loathing of Starmwr is a very real thing. And widely shared


  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,778
    maxh said:

    Been busy and now catching up.

    1. Burnham has buggered it. Clearly has no better ideas for how he’d do the job, and doesn’t even seem to have worked out a coherent path to displacing Starmer anyway.

    2. The hatred of Starmer, stirred up by right-wing media, and left-wing backbenchers, remains wholly out of proportion. Having said that, the ID cards “announcement” is another proof point of his inability to do any kind of retail politics. Whatever one’s option of ID cards, it’s really not obvious what the connect is with “out of control migration”.

    2a. Involvement from Palantir? Ugh. Kill with fire.

    3. Reform’s former Welsh leader being convicted of taking money from the Russians ought to be big news, as should Reform’s pathetic apeing of US anti-vax and anti-science memes. Reform would be an existential disaster for the country, beyond anything Burnham or even Corbyn could wreak.

    4. Corbyn/Sultana have also buggered it. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Corbyn lose Islington North in 2029.

    An efficient and effective summary of the last few days, thanks Gardenwalker.

    With respect to your 2a, what I don't understand about ID cards: for most people it's the linked central database that makes them throw their hands up in horror, rightly so in my view.

    So to hint at (but as far as I can tell provide no concrete detail on) the idea that Palantir will be the gatekeepers of our data seems utterly bonkers.

    I am about as sympathetic a listener to this government that you'll get. I still really want them to pull their fists out of their backsides and get to work solving some of our challenges in a semi-serious way. I would still (just) vote for them as the least worst option.

    But they seem completely determined to do politics in the the most childishly ineffective way possible.
    I wonder how many people are against ID cards because of the people who are expected to manage it?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,778

    Powell versus Phillipson.
    Both deeply unattractive figures.
    How did it get to that?

    Is there anybody n the PLP who isn’t deeply unattractive?
  • Powell versus Phillipson.
    Both deeply unattractive figures.
    How did it get to that?

    Is there anybody n the PLP who isn’t deeply unattractive?
    Is there anyone in top-level politics who is deeply attractive?

    (There's Penny Swordbearer, I guess, if she counts as top-level politics. Is it the right time for her "big news" to be that she's going into the jungle this year?)
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,778

    I just paid a bill for some hallway lights in a flat I have in London. Total bill was something like £150, of which just £3 was for actual electricity, the rest comprised standing charges.

    What the hell is that about.

    You’ve got to pick a pocket or two.
  • 1,000 + 2 in : 2 out and Digital ID is smashing those gangs
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,367
    @cnn.com‬

    JUST IN: Sinclair announces it will bring back "Jimmy Kimmel Live!"
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,778
    Leon said:

    Just had Primrose Hill drinks with an old friend I haven’t seen since Xmas

    Two observations

    1. Primrose Hill remains an exceptionally lovely part of the world. It is urbanism perfected, really. We used to do it - and we can do it again

    2. My friend - usually apolitical - offered, unprompted, a blistering attack on Starmer. So the PB centrist dorks can whine all they like - but loathing of Starmwr is a very real thing. And widely shared


    If we were all prepared to pay more to our local authorities, everywhere, not just Primrose Hill, would be a better environment. If only we didn’t expect everyone except ourselves to pay the necessary taxes ….
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,676
    Leon said:

    Just had Primrose Hill drinks with an old friend I haven’t seen since Xmas

    Two observations

    1. Primrose Hill remains an exceptionally lovely part of the world. It is urbanism perfected, really. We used to do it - and we can do it again

    2. My friend - usually apolitical - offered, unprompted, a blistering attack on Starmer. So the PB centrist dorks can whine all they like - but loathing of Starmwr is a very real thing. And widely shared


    Seems to be universal among your circle of acquaintance.
  • Powell versus Phillipson.
    Both deeply unattractive figures.
    How did it get to that?

    Is there anybody n the PLP who isn’t deeply unattractive?
    Is there anyone in top-level politics who is deeply attractive?

    (There's Penny Swordbearer, I guess, if she counts as top-level politics. Is it the right time for her "big news" to be that she's going into the jungle this year?)
    Sorcha Eastwood, Alliance MP for Lagan Valley?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,069
    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    “We’ve got to get beyond this thing of being in hock to the bond markets.”

    For how many Party Leadership elections in a row has the Conservative Party voted for that same sentiment?

    How does PB’s Liberal Economic right take down that sentiment?

    Yep, totally agree. First we need to repay just under £2trn of debt and then we will owe them next to nothing and will not need to care what they think.
    Trouble is (as you know, because you're on the side of the people who have noticed), it's going to take a pretty unpleasant combination of tax rises and government spending cuts just to stop things getting worse.

    Even if the government were up for it, there's about a third of the electorate who are guaranteed to be livid at anything any government says, on general principle.
    UK taxes are very badly loaded on middle class wage earners . Hardly anyone else pays tax. Taxes don’t necessarily need to go “up” they need to go “broad”. Perhaps this distinction is not meaningful, but in some ways the noise generated by groaning middle class tax payers is contributing to investor negativity.

    Social security is the inverse of this. It’s extremely generous (triple lock, inner city council houses for new arrivals, taxis for kids to get to school) to those who don’t “need” it, and cuts instead fall on the collective goods required for everyday quality of living (the justice system, the roads, town centres, and easy access to a doctor).

    My point is, notwithstanding demographic challenges which are actually not as bad in the UK as in in other places, it’s more a question to my mind of misallocation and a lack of confidence in economic strategy, than overall fiscal balances themselves.
    Just to add: yes, social security is generous in this country on international comparison. What's weird is that our poverty rate is still quite bad even after that fiscal transfer.

    In a country like Denmark, the earnings distribution is much fairer, so their government spends less than we do but has less than half the poverty rate. The other distinctive thing is just how poor most of our major cities are - very unusual for that to be the case elsewhere, with poverty being something you find in towns/rural areas.
    The poverty rate is relative not absolute
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,676
    Scott_xP said:

    @cnn.com‬

    JUST IN: Sinclair announces it will bring back "Jimmy Kimmel Live!"

    Disney threatened them with losing their sports programming.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,833
    Just went out for about 90 mins for a swim and return to find the petition has added 130,000 signatures.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,676
    edited September 26

    Powell versus Phillipson.
    Both deeply unattractive figures.
    How did it get to that?

    Is there anybody n the PLP who isn’t deeply unattractive?
    Is there anyone in top-level politics who is deeply attractive?

    (There's Penny Swordbearer, I guess, if she counts as top-level politics. Is it the right time for her "big news" to be that she's going into the jungle this year?)
    No idea, but since (reportedly) Rayner and Farage were voted the two most attractive MPs, "deeply attractive" seems deeply unlikely to me.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,701
    edited September 26
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Just had Primrose Hill drinks with an old friend I haven’t seen since Xmas

    Two observations

    1. Primrose Hill remains an exceptionally lovely part of the world. It is urbanism perfected, really. We used to do it - and we can do it again

    2. My friend - usually apolitical - offered, unprompted, a blistering attack on Starmer. So the PB centrist dorks can whine all they like - but loathing of Starmwr is a very real thing. And widely shared


    Seems to be universal among your circle of acquaintance.
    No, I had drinks a couple of days ago with two lefty friends. I have lots of lefty friends

    They claimed they were both bewildered by the amount of hatred Starmer gets. However this was not exactly gushing praise

    The wife said "He's not THAT bad. Of course he's disappointing, yes" and the husband agreed he's not THAT bad but then added "he needs to be replaced, anyway, he's terrible at politics"

    So there you go. Two staunch north London Labourites. The best defence of Starmer from his most loyal cadres is "he's disappointing but he's not quite that bad"
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,367
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cnn.com‬

    JUST IN: Sinclair announces it will bring back "Jimmy Kimmel Live!"

    Disney threatened them with losing their sports programming.
    So, the Mad King said the cancellation was about ratings, but it was actually political pressure.

    Sinclair said it was about principle, but it was actually about revenue.

    Glad we got that cleared up.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,367
    @factpostnews

    Reporter: There was a little awkwardness in the courtroom because two different versions of the Comey indictment were presented, and Halligan had signed both of them. That just underscored just how new she is at this. It's raising questions on who is going to prosecute this case. Is it going to be Lindsey Halligan, who has no prosecutorial experience? It appears no one in that office is prepared to do it

    https://x.com/factpostnews/status/1971595700652712017
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,701
    edited September 26
    Amazingly refreshing salad I have recently discovered


    Slice a third of a cucumber fine

    Slice about 6 radishes, fine

    Slice one or two birds eye chilies, fine (optional but mmmm punchy)

    Chop a decent crop of dill, fine

    Put it all in a dish and sprinkle on half a teaspoon of sugar, a couple of teaspoons of Japanese rice vinegar, and crack some sea salt

    Leave for at least 20 minutes and it is yummy
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,833

    Leon said:

    Just had Primrose Hill drinks with an old friend I haven’t seen since Xmas

    Two observations

    1. Primrose Hill remains an exceptionally lovely part of the world. It is urbanism perfected, really. We used to do it - and we can do it again

    2. My friend - usually apolitical - offered, unprompted, a blistering attack on Starmer. So the PB centrist dorks can whine all they like - but loathing of Starmwr is a very real thing. And widely shared


    If we were all prepared to pay more to our local authorities, everywhere, not just Primrose Hill, would be a better environment. If only we didn’t expect everyone except ourselves to pay the necessary taxes ….
    It would take a lot of money to turn somewhere like Grimsby into Primrose Hill.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,475
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just had Primrose Hill drinks with an old friend I haven’t seen since Xmas

    Two observations

    1. Primrose Hill remains an exceptionally lovely part of the world. It is urbanism perfected, really. We used to do it - and we can do it again

    2. My friend - usually apolitical - offered, unprompted, a blistering attack on Starmer. So the PB centrist dorks can whine all they like - but loathing of Starmwr is a very real thing. And widely shared


    If we were all prepared to pay more to our local authorities, everywhere, not just Primrose Hill, would be a better environment. If only we didn’t expect everyone except ourselves to pay the necessary taxes ….
    It would take a lot of money to turn somewhere like Grimsby into Primrose Hill.
    Well the nuke will cost a fair bit, even if it’s second hand…
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,367
    Trump is ordering the release of the files tonight!

    Oh, wait, not THOSE files.

    These files.

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Trump is ordering the declassification and release of govt records related to pilot Amelia Earhart and her final flight. She disappeared in 1937.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,309
    edited September 26
    Leon said:

    Amazingly refreshing salad I have recently discovered


    Slice a third of a cucumber fine

    Slice about 6 radishes, fine

    Slice one or two birds eye chilies, fine (optional but mmmm punchy)

    Chop a decent crop of dill, fine

    Put it all in a dish and sprinkle on half a teaspoon of sugar, a couple of teaspoons of Japanese rice vinegar, and crack some sea salt

    Leave for at least 20 minutes and it is yummy

    We underuse dill. Those scandanavians are on to something.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,222
    Leon said:

    Amazingly refreshing salad I have recently discovered


    Slice a third of a cucumber fine

    Slice about 6 radishes, fine

    Slice one or two birds eye chilies, fine (optional but mmmm punchy)

    Chop a decent crop of dill, fine

    Put it all in a dish and sprinkle on half a teaspoon of sugar, a couple of teaspoons of Japanese rice vinegar, and crack some sea salt

    Leave for at least 20 minutes and it is yummy

    My better half loves radishes so might give this a whirl.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,781
    edited September 26
    "While on a flying visit to President Donald Trump in Washington in February, the Prime Minister made sure for one more stop: to the offices of Palantir – the US tech firm reforming UK public services through AI.

    Louis Mosley, the head of Palantir UK, met Keir Starmer that day. “You could see in his eyes that he gets it,” he says from Palantir’s London office, in his first sit-down interview since joining the tech giant eight years ago. “The ambition is there – the will is there.”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,701

    Leon said:

    Amazingly refreshing salad I have recently discovered


    Slice a third of a cucumber fine

    Slice about 6 radishes, fine

    Slice one or two birds eye chilies, fine (optional but mmmm punchy)

    Chop a decent crop of dill, fine

    Put it all in a dish and sprinkle on half a teaspoon of sugar, a couple of teaspoons of Japanese rice vinegar, and crack some sea salt

    Leave for at least 20 minutes and it is yummy

    My better half loves radishes so might give this a whirl.
    It's a great summer side salad, and takes about 3 minutes to put together. So light, and full of zing, you can squeeze lemon juice as well if you like

    Obviously great with any fish dish
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,701
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Amazingly refreshing salad I have recently discovered


    Slice a third of a cucumber fine

    Slice about 6 radishes, fine

    Slice one or two birds eye chilies, fine (optional but mmmm punchy)

    Chop a decent crop of dill, fine

    Put it all in a dish and sprinkle on half a teaspoon of sugar, a couple of teaspoons of Japanese rice vinegar, and crack some sea salt

    Leave for at least 20 minutes and it is yummy

    We underuse dill. Those scandanavians are on to something.
    We really do, it's such an aromatic and tasty herb. Freshly chopped it's glorious
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,778
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just had Primrose Hill drinks with an old friend I haven’t seen since Xmas

    Two observations

    1. Primrose Hill remains an exceptionally lovely part of the world. It is urbanism perfected, really. We used to do it - and we can do it again

    2. My friend - usually apolitical - offered, unprompted, a blistering attack on Starmer. So the PB centrist dorks can whine all they like - but loathing of Starmwr is a very real thing. And widely shared


    If we were all prepared to pay more to our local authorities, everywhere, not just Primrose Hill, would be a better environment. If only we didn’t expect everyone except ourselves to pay the necessary taxes ….
    It would take a lot of money to turn somewhere like Grimsby into Primrose Hill.
    Especially after years of Grimsby residents not being prepared to spend any money on their town. Grimsby used to be better than Hull. No longer.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,222
    Starmer says digital ID by end of this parliament.

    Just genuine LOL.

    It 'aint gonna be that way.

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,778
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Amazingly refreshing salad I have recently discovered


    Slice a third of a cucumber fine

    Slice about 6 radishes, fine

    Slice one or two birds eye chilies, fine (optional but mmmm punchy)

    Chop a decent crop of dill, fine

    Put it all in a dish and sprinkle on half a teaspoon of sugar, a couple of teaspoons of Japanese rice vinegar, and crack some sea salt

    Leave for at least 20 minutes and it is yummy

    My better half loves radishes so might give this a whirl.
    It's a great summer side salad, and takes about 3 minutes to put together. So light, and full of zing, you can squeeze lemon juice as well if you like

    Obviously great with any fish dish
    Your posts are proof you have cut back on the drink. Last year at this time of the evening your posts would have been extolling a kebab.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,403

    Starmer says digital ID by end of this parliament.

    Just genuine LOL.

    It 'aint gonna be that way.

    Not least because Starmer himself will be gone next year.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,222
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Amazingly refreshing salad I have recently discovered


    Slice a third of a cucumber fine

    Slice about 6 radishes, fine

    Slice one or two birds eye chilies, fine (optional but mmmm punchy)

    Chop a decent crop of dill, fine

    Put it all in a dish and sprinkle on half a teaspoon of sugar, a couple of teaspoons of Japanese rice vinegar, and crack some sea salt

    Leave for at least 20 minutes and it is yummy

    We underuse dill. Those scandanavians are on to something.
    We really do, it's such an aromatic and tasty herb. Freshly chopped it's glorious
    The Hanseatic League was built on dill. :smile:
  • Starmer says digital ID by end of this parliament.

    Just genuine LOL.

    It 'aint gonna be that way.

    Well, Starmer may have a digital ID by the end of the parliament. Not so sure about the rest of us...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,222
    Scott_xP said:

    Trump is ordering the release of the files tonight!

    Oh, wait, not THOSE files.

    These files.

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Trump is ordering the declassification and release of govt records related to pilot Amelia Earhart and her final flight. She disappeared in 1937.

    And you know who was president in 1937?

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,833
    edited September 26
    Does anyone think ID cards will stop small boats as Starmer hopes?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,676
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just had Primrose Hill drinks with an old friend I haven’t seen since Xmas

    Two observations

    1. Primrose Hill remains an exceptionally lovely part of the world. It is urbanism perfected, really. We used to do it - and we can do it again

    2. My friend - usually apolitical - offered, unprompted, a blistering attack on Starmer. So the PB centrist dorks can whine all they like - but loathing of Starmwr is a very real thing. And widely shared


    If we were all prepared to pay more to our local authorities, everywhere, not just Primrose Hill, would be a better environment. If only we didn’t expect everyone except ourselves to pay the necessary taxes ….
    It would take a lot of money to turn somewhere like Grimsby into Primrose Hill.
    It wouldn't cost that much; Grimsby is quite small.
    And building costs aren't as high up in Lincolnshire.

    Love this bit from Wikipedia.

    Grimsby is noted in the Orkneyinga Saga in this Dróttkvætt stanza by Kali Kolsson:
    Vér hǫfum vaðnar leirur vikur fimm megingrimmar;
    saurs vara vant, er várum, viðr, í Grímsbœ miðjum.
    Nú'r þat's más of mýrar meginkátliga látum
    branda elg á bylgjur Bjǫrgynjar til dynja.
    Translation:
    We have waded in the mire for five terrible weeks;
    there was no lack of mud where we were, in the middle of Grimsby.
    But now away we let our beaked moose [ship] resound merrily
    on the waves over the seagull's swamp [sea] to Bergen.</>

    So even the Vikings though Grimsby was grim.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,781
    edited September 26
    Andy_JS said:

    Does anyone think ID cards will stop small boats as Starmer hopes?

    Italy has ID cards, and twice the boat arrivals we have.

    Much as I love it, it also has very obnoxious police who will quite commonly and randomly harass any foreigners for I.D, including European ones. Not a great model for enthusiasts to hold up.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,676

    Scott_xP said:

    Trump is ordering the release of the files tonight!

    Oh, wait, not THOSE files.

    These files.

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Trump is ordering the declassification and release of govt records related to pilot Amelia Earhart and her final flight. She disappeared in 1937.

    And you know who was president in 1937?

    Biden isn't that old.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,367
    @KellieMeyerNews

    President Trump calls for Microsoft's President of Global Affairs Lisa Monaco to be "immediately" fired.

    Monaco previously served as homeland security advisor under President Barack Obama and Deputy Attorney General under President Joe Biden.

    He calls her a "menace to U.S. National Security."

    Trump adds: "It is my opinion that Microsoft should immediately terminate the employment of Lisa Monaco."
  • Andy_JS said:

    Does anyone think ID cards will stop small boats as Starmer hopes?

    No, but I see that Sinn Fein and the DUP are opposed, so there must be something to be said for ID cards.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,833

    Andy Burnham is human brandy

    Is that a compliment?
  • Andy_JS said:

    Andy Burnham is human brandy

    Is that a compliment?
    It's an anagram

    I loved the thought of people not noticing that and trying to work out what I meant
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,443
    Interesting front page from the Times with Rachel Reeves talking up the benefits of an EU UK youth mobility scheme to the economy .

    She’s also putting pressure on the OBR to score this and other aspects of the proposed new deal into their forecasts .

    Maybe the pennies finally dropped . Stop chasing Reform votes .

    Reform have said they’ll tear up any new deal with the EU . Time to draw a clear dividing line and let Reform explain how causing more ructions with the EU will help the country when it’s clear that the US is no longer any sort of reliable ally .
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,222

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy Burnham is human brandy

    Is that a compliment?
    It's an anagram

    I loved the thought of people not noticing that and trying to work out what I meant
    How long before @leon tells us he once had non-human brandy at a village of mad goat herders in the Caucasus mountains twenty years ago?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,986

    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    “We’ve got to get beyond this thing of being in hock to the bond markets.”

    For how many Party Leadership elections in a row has the Conservative Party voted for that same sentiment?

    How does PB’s Liberal Economic right take down that sentiment?

    Yep, totally agree. First we need to repay just under £2trn of debt and then we will owe them next to nothing and will not need to care what they think.
    Trouble is (as you know, because you're on the side of the people who have noticed), it's going to take a pretty unpleasant combination of tax rises and government spending cuts just to stop things getting worse.

    Even if the government were up for it, there's about a third of the electorate who are guaranteed to be livid at anything any government says, on general principle.
    UK taxes are very badly loaded on middle class wage earners . Hardly anyone else pays tax. Taxes don’t necessarily need to go “up” they need to go “broad”. Perhaps this distinction is not meaningful, but in some ways the noise generated by groaning middle class tax payers is contributing to investor negativity.

    Social security is the inverse of this. It’s extremely generous (triple lock, inner city council houses for new arrivals, taxis for kids to get to school) to those who don’t “need” it, and cuts instead fall on the collective goods required for everyday quality of living (the justice system, the roads, town centres, and easy access to a doctor).

    My point is, notwithstanding demographic challenges which are actually not as bad in the UK as in in other places, it’s more a question to my mind of misallocation and a lack of confidence in economic strategy, than overall fiscal balances themselves.
    Just to add: yes, social security is generous in this country on international comparison. What's weird is that our poverty rate is still quite bad even after that fiscal transfer.

    In a country like Denmark, the earnings distribution is much fairer, so their government spends less than we do but has less than half the poverty rate. The other distinctive thing is just how poor most of our major cities are - very unusual for that to be the case elsewhere, with poverty being something you find in towns/rural areas.
    The poverty rate is relative not absolute
    I know.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Does anyone think ID cards will stop small boats as Starmer hopes?

    Not even Starmer does - just another unnecessary mistep !!!!
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,268
    So we must all have digital id because Skir couldn't smash the gangs and thinks people desperate to get here for work and benefits will be deterred by being invisible to the authorities
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,222
    geoffw said:

    So we must all have digital id because Skir couldn't smash the gangs and thinks people desperate to get here for work and benefits will be deterred by being invisible to the authorities

    Or, desperate to deflect from Morgan's financial "issues" we will have ID cards imposed on us in five years time after billions have been wasted and at least two suppliers and five heads of delivery on the project have been sacked and then knighted.

    I can feel Dido Harding warming her CV as we speak.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,833
    geoffw said:

    So we must all have digital id because Skir couldn't smash the gangs and thinks people desperate to get here for work and benefits will be deterred by being invisible to the authorities

    Absolutely, that's the situation we're in.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,222

    Andy_JS said:

    Does anyone think ID cards will stop small boats as Starmer hopes?

    Not even Starmer does - just another unnecessary mistep !!!!
    Even if by some utterly incredible circumstances the digital ID card does stop the boats it WONT HAPPEN IN TIME FOR NEXT ELECTION
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,021
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Amazingly refreshing salad I have recently discovered


    Slice a third of a cucumber fine

    Slice about 6 radishes, fine

    Slice one or two birds eye chilies, fine (optional but mmmm punchy)

    Chop a decent crop of dill, fine

    Put it all in a dish and sprinkle on half a teaspoon of sugar, a couple of teaspoons of Japanese rice vinegar, and crack some sea salt

    Leave for at least 20 minutes and it is yummy

    We underuse dill. Those scandanavians are on to something.
    We really do, it's such an aromatic and tasty herb. Freshly chopped it's glorious
    Dill is the worst herb. Tastes like sadness in your mouth.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,781
    edited September 26
    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:
    That's an impressive amount of data folk voluntarily gave the government.
    On the other hand, that's just name and address data. It's not that integrated with health data, pensions data, , job data., defence data, policing data,, and much more, as Palantir has just got contracts for.

    The sharing of much more data than before, voluntarily, isn't a good argument for the collection and then integration of even more data, compulsorily.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,268
    The flavour of dill grown in Nordic climes has an intensity we don't find here

    #myculinaryobservationoftheday#
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,423

    geoffw said:

    So we must all have digital id because Skir couldn't smash the gangs and thinks people desperate to get here for work and benefits will be deterred by being invisible to the authorities

    Or, desperate to deflect from Morgan's financial "issues" we will have ID cards imposed on us in five years time after billions have been wasted and at least two suppliers and five heads of delivery on the project have been sacked and then knighted.

    I can feel Dido Harding warming her CV as we speak.
    You say 'wasted' - I say "invested in our AI future. We will be a superpower. I have a speech on my autocue. British values. And hard working families struggling with the cost of living left to us by the previous government. At least 3.6% of the value generated - if our plan proceeds - will go towards our overall target of 0.8%. Values. I thank you for your time. And now, over to Nigel."
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,268
    They're all at it
    President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Sept. 26 that reconnaissance drones likely belonging to Hungary had violated Ukraine's airspace along the border.
    Even my granddaughter (Durham Univ, engineering) is designing and flying drones in her course
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,833
    geoffw said:

    The flavour of dill grown in Nordic climes has an intensity we don't find here

    #myculinaryobservationoftheday#

    Are you in those parts?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,268
    Andy_JS said:

    geoffw said:

    The flavour of dill grown in Nordic climes has an intensity we don't find here

    #myculinaryobservationoftheday#

    Are you in those parts?
    Now and again (but not now)

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,222
    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    1h
    Powell 69%, Phillipson 31%, excl don’t knows
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,222
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    12m
    As I said, I don’t think it’s going to be that close.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,299
    DavidL said:

    “We’ve got to get beyond this thing of being in hock to the bond markets.”

    For how many Party Leadership elections in a row has the Conservative Party voted for that same sentiment?

    How does PB’s Liberal Economic right take down that sentiment?

    Yep, totally agree. First we need to repay just under £2trn of debt and then we will owe them next to nothing and will not need to care what they think.
    You forgot to mention stopping borrowing x% of GDP every year. As well.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,309
    geoffw said:

    The flavour of dill grown in Nordic climes has an intensity we don't find here

    #myculinaryobservationoftheday#

    Waitrose get it from Kenya, Morocco, Spain, Uk, Cyprus, Ethiopia depending on season. Maybe the Nordic stuff is pricy...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,833
    Yet another serious data breach.

    "Harrods warns customers details may have been taken in data breach
    Luxury department store says one of its third-party provider systems was breached, with e-commerce information accessed" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/26/harrods-warns-customers-details-taken-data-breach/
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,309
    Andy_JS said:

    Yet another serious data breach.

    "Harrods warns customers details may have been taken in data breach
    Luxury department store says one of its third-party provider systems was breached, with e-commerce information accessed" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/26/harrods-warns-customers-details-taken-data-breach/

    Why didn't we see this many ransomware attacks ten or fifteen years ago?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,797
    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Yet another serious data breach.

    "Harrods warns customers details may have been taken in data breach
    Luxury department store says one of its third-party provider systems was breached, with e-commerce information accessed" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/26/harrods-warns-customers-details-taken-data-breach/

    Why didn't we see this many ransomware attacks ten or fifteen years ago?
    More connected systems, more sophisticated attacks. Many companies and organisations take cyber security seriously. Others do not.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,192
    The same story told a hundred ways. Who will ever forgive Israel?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQScq7uFMQ8
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,833
    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Yet another serious data breach.

    "Harrods warns customers details may have been taken in data breach
    Luxury department store says one of its third-party provider systems was breached, with e-commerce information accessed" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/26/harrods-warns-customers-details-taken-data-breach/

    Why didn't we see this many ransomware attacks ten or fifteen years ago?
    The hackers weren't as good I assume.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,833
    Labour MP Ian Byrne has re-tweeted a Clive Lewis MP tweet opposing ID cards, so I guess we can add him to the list.

    https://x.com/IanByrneMP
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,676
    I was wondering how they managed to get a Grand Jury to indite Comey on the bullshit charges.

    Lindsey Halligan; an insurance attorney ) presented this case to the grand jury WITHOUT any other willing member of the DOJ ( secretive GJ has no judge and no defense presentation) so who really knows if “what she said to them matches the facts”
    https://x.com/Cathy2NotToday/status/1971672254795993527

    I think we can assume it didn't, given that she presented two sets of charging documents to the judge, which contradicted each other.

    Judge: "I've never come across this before".
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,676
    Good thread on ID cards.
    Why don't we have legislators/civil servants who can understand and explain this, and legislate accordingly ?

    1/ I don’t instinctively like the idea of ID cards. It offends my liberal sensibilities. But Digital IDs aren’t the privacy catastrophe they would have been in the 2000s...
    https://x.com/LawrenceLundy/status/1971543613868998952

    7/ “Done right” is doing a lot of heavy lifting yes. Of course, the devil is in design. A “canonical event log” of every check could easily tip into surveillance. Guardrails are needed around logs, retention, transparency reports.

    8/ Citizens need three guarantees:
    – Share less, prove more.
    – No new central database.
    – Errors are visible and appealable...


    That means NOT giving the contract to Palantir, of course.

  • Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Trump is ordering the release of the files tonight!

    Oh, wait, not THOSE files.

    These files.

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Trump is ordering the declassification and release of govt records related to pilot Amelia Earhart and her final flight. She disappeared in 1937.

    And you know who was president in 1937?

    Biden isn't that old.
    No but FDR was elected four (count 'em, four) times.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,676

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Trump is ordering the release of the files tonight!

    Oh, wait, not THOSE files.

    These files.

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Trump is ordering the declassification and release of govt records related to pilot Amelia Earhart and her final flight. She disappeared in 1937.

    And you know who was president in 1937?

    Biden isn't that old.
    No but FDR was elected four (count 'em, four) times.
    The reason the Republicans hated FDR so much that they collaborated in changing the constitution to impose the two term limit, is that he was popular.
    Enough so to be elected four times.

    Trump isn't, and never will be.

    Hence this sort of concern.
    Trump hates Comey because Comey's FBI investigated Trump's Russia connections.

    But Trump *indicted* Comey not just for payback. Trump is testing whether he can misuse prosecutions to pervert the 2026 elections.

    https://x.com/davidfrum/status/1971550532813926567
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,676
    Trump just fired a U.S. attorney who insisted on following a court order.

    Michele Beckwith, the top federal prosecutor in Sacramento, was fired hours after she reminded a Border Patrol chief to abide by court-ordered restrictions on immigration raids. https://nytimes.com/2025/09/26/us/trump-fires-us-attorney-california-immigration.html
  • boulay said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Remember when Elon Musk said Donny was in the Epstein files?

    How did he know?

    Is it perhaps because Elon is in the files?

    https://bsky.app/profile/esqueer.net/post/3lzqvuhntws22

    Wasn’t it because his doge monkeys had downloaded the files and given them to him? How would being in them give him any special knowledge of who else was in them? He might well be in them but to know who else is he would likely have seen, although it’s not hard to make educated guesses about who might be.
    Why would Elon Musk or anyone else need to make educated guesses when photographs of Trump and Epstein have been circulating for years along with acknowledgements of their one-time friendship?
  • Pulpstar said:

    Just disgusting really shouting out like that on Macintyre's backswing on the 17th. What a bunch of dickheads

    The Racing Post's golf correspondent, Steve Palmer, suggested the New York crowd might turn against the home side if they fall too far behind.
  • nico67 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&amp;utm_medium=twitter&amp;utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&amp;utm_medium=twitter&amp;utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"
    I suspected this would happen . Polling hypothetical scenarios often leads to big changes once a policy is announced. This wasn’t helped by another major fail of the No 10 comms team .
    I am getting the feeling this wasn’t sufficiently stress tested/focus grouped. Indeed, I’m not even sure if it was. I think Mahmood and Starmer were desperate for some “tough on border security” announcements and signed up to whatever some Home Office mandarin put in front of them.
    Home Office, Blair (possibly via Mandelson), who knows where this iteration of ID cards popped up now. My money is on the latter but perhaps an overlooked factor is that both Starmer and Mahmood are lawyers and thus predisposed to believe the answer to any issue is more law.
  • Harry Kane scored his 100th goal for Bayern Munich on Friday night, reaching the landmark in just 104 matches to become the fastest player this century to reach 100 goals for a single club.
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/sep/26/european-roundup-harry-kane-scores-100th-goal-bayern-munich-werder-bremen
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,663
    Phew. I think we got way with it!

    Nathan Gill's spot of quite serious bother barely made it to the BBC National News headlines. It was reported widely on BBC Wales News, but he was referred to as a "former" Reform leader/politician. Has he joined Labour or the Tories? I suppose not as a Labour or Tory politician convicted of that level of impropriety would have made it to the main story on the Ten O'clock news.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,627

    Andy_JS said:

    "Fingerprints and a €20 fee – the new rules for visiting Europe explained
    From October 12, Britons will face new rules to visit Europe under the EES and ETIAS schemes – here’s everything you need to know
    Nick Trend"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/new-eu-entry-exit-visa-system-rules/?recomm_id=991741f2-d8bf-4d1f-8162-aeea13b8db16

    EUR100 on the cost of a family holiday... Brexit really is the gift that keeps on giving.
    It's every 3 years. You'll need to renew as your data is erased after that period of time.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,627

    maxh said:

    Been busy and now catching up.

    1. Burnham has buggered it. Clearly has no better ideas for how he’d do the job, and doesn’t even seem to have worked out a coherent path to displacing Starmer anyway.

    2. The hatred of Starmer, stirred up by right-wing media, and left-wing backbenchers, remains wholly out of proportion. Having said that, the ID cards “announcement” is another proof point of his inability to do any kind of retail politics. Whatever one’s option of ID cards, it’s really not obvious what the connect is with “out of control migration”.

    2a. Involvement from Palantir? Ugh. Kill with fire.

    3. Reform’s former Welsh leader being convicted of taking money from the Russians ought to be big news, as should Reform’s pathetic apeing of US anti-vax and anti-science memes. Reform would be an existential disaster for the country, beyond anything Burnham or even Corbyn could wreak.

    4. Corbyn/Sultana have also buggered it. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Corbyn lose Islington North in 2029.

    An efficient and effective summary of the last few days, thanks Gardenwalker.

    With respect to your 2a, what I don't understand about ID cards: for most people it's the linked central database that makes them throw their hands up in horror, rightly so in my view.

    So to hint at (but as far as I can tell provide no concrete detail on) the idea that Palantir will be the gatekeepers of our data seems utterly bonkers.

    I am about as sympathetic a listener to this government that you'll get. I still really want them to pull their fists out of their backsides and get to work solving some of our challenges in a semi-serious way. I would still (just) vote for them as the least worst option.

    But they seem completely determined to do politics in the the most childishly ineffective way possible.
    I wonder how many people are against ID cards because of the people who are expected to manage it?
    Or even worse, they recall at the last attempt it was scrapped by an incoming government. It wasn't that long ago and scrapping it is the kind of populist policy that wins some votes.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/national-identity-register-destroyed-as-government-consigns-id-card-scheme-to-history
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,054
    edited September 27
    Battlebus said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Fingerprints and a €20 fee – the new rules for visiting Europe explained
    From October 12, Britons will face new rules to visit Europe under the EES and ETIAS schemes – here’s everything you need to know
    Nick Trend"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/new-eu-entry-exit-visa-system-rules/?recomm_id=991741f2-d8bf-4d1f-8162-aeea13b8db16

    EUR100 on the cost of a family holiday... Brexit really is the gift that keeps on giving.
    It's every 3 years. You'll need to renew as your data is erased after that period of time.
    It was only going to be 7 euros (like Canada's), now its 20 euros.....give it 5 years and what will it be?

    US are doubling their ESTA from $20 to $40 in a few days.

    EU massively delayed and massively over budget digital ID scheme....any lessons for the UK to learn?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,781
    edited September 27
    Nigelb said:

    Good thread on ID cards.
    Why don't we have legislators/civil servants who can understand and explain this, and legislate accordingly ?

    1/ I don’t instinctively like the idea of ID cards. It offends my liberal sensibilities. But Digital IDs aren’t the privacy catastrophe they would have been in the 2000s...
    https://x.com/LawrenceLundy/status/1971543613868998952

    7/ “Done right” is doing a lot of heavy lifting yes. Of course, the devil is in design. A “canonical event log” of every check could easily tip into surveillance. Guardrails are needed around logs, retention, transparency reports.

    8/ Citizens need three guarantees:
    – Share less, prove more.
    – No new central database.
    – Errors are visible and appealable...


    That means NOT giving the contract to Palantir, of course.

    Morning.

    Yes, I'm quite surprised by a lot of this eartlier generstion of experts' lack of awareness of companies like Palantir, and their integrative approach. Part of their whole raison d'etre is the massive integration of information, so as to enhance A.I. development. This is partly why Thiel and Starner seem to be so keen on these devdlopments, and have made contacts this year.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,641
    edited September 27

    Phew. I think we got way with it!

    Nathan Gill's spot of quite serious bother barely made it to the BBC National News headlines. It was reported widely on BBC Wales News, but he was referred to as a "former" Reform leader/politician. Has he joined Labour or the Tories? I suppose not as a Labour or Tory politician convicted of that level of impropriety would have made it to the main story on the Ten O'clock news.

    Good morning

    You cannot expect anything happening in Wales to interest the London centric media who leave our news to regional coverage and mark it as not likely to give them the gotcha they want

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,020
    carnforth said:

    geoffw said:

    The flavour of dill grown in Nordic climes has an intensity we don't find here

    #myculinaryobservationoftheday#

    Waitrose get it from Kenya, Morocco, Spain, Uk, Cyprus, Ethiopia depending on season. Maybe the Nordic stuff is pricy...
    Dill needs a lot of sun to grow well, so I doubt the Scandinavians have any to spare for export, given how common it is in their food. In Norway and Sweden they use the flowers to flavour the fish dishes, as well as the chopped leaves, which may be why it seems to taste stronger there.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,425

    Andy_JS said:

    "Fingerprints and a €20 fee – the new rules for visiting Europe explained
    From October 12, Britons will face new rules to visit Europe under the EES and ETIAS schemes – here’s everything you need to know
    Nick Trend"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/new-eu-entry-exit-visa-system-rules/?recomm_id=991741f2-d8bf-4d1f-8162-aeea13b8db16

    EUR100 on the cost of a family holiday... Brexit really is the gift that keeps on giving.
    Once every 3 years - it’s hardly a massive issue
  • eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Fingerprints and a €20 fee – the new rules for visiting Europe explained
    From October 12, Britons will face new rules to visit Europe under the EES and ETIAS schemes – here’s everything you need to know
    Nick Trend"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/new-eu-entry-exit-visa-system-rules/?recomm_id=991741f2-d8bf-4d1f-8162-aeea13b8db16

    EUR100 on the cost of a family holiday... Brexit really is the gift that keeps on giving.
    Once every 3 years - it’s hardly a massive issue
    Consistent with the "Brexit is a succession of slow punctures" theory, though.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,020
    glw said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Does anyone think ID cards will stop small boats as Starmer hopes?

    Italy has ID cards, and twice the boat arrivals we have.

    Much as I love it, it also has very obnoxious police who will quite commonly and randomly harass any foreigners for I.D, including European ones. Not a great model for enthusiasts to hold up.
    People aren't deterred by the huge cost and high risk of drowning when crossing the channel, so even if the Digital ID worked perfectly and had no downsides and was cheap to implement it would at best have a very marginal effect on that route of illegal migration.

    Kier Starmer might actually be a bit stupid, because God knows how he has seized on Digital ID as the answer to stopping the boats, and not recognised that right now a PM in his position doesn't need another reason for the press and public to give him a good kicking.
    And the petition is fast approaching 1,600,000 sigs this morning
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,854
    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Yet another serious data breach.

    "Harrods warns customers details may have been taken in data breach
    Luxury department store says one of its third-party provider systems was breached, with e-commerce information accessed" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/26/harrods-warns-customers-details-taken-data-breach/

    Why didn't we see this many ransomware attacks ten or fifteen years ago?
    Russian hybrid war.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,627
    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Fingerprints and a €20 fee – the new rules for visiting Europe explained
    From October 12, Britons will face new rules to visit Europe under the EES and ETIAS schemes – here’s everything you need to know
    Nick Trend"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/new-eu-entry-exit-visa-system-rules/?recomm_id=991741f2-d8bf-4d1f-8162-aeea13b8db16

    EUR100 on the cost of a family holiday... Brexit really is the gift that keeps on giving.
    Once every 3 years - it’s hardly a massive issue
    It's the approach that is interesting. A 3 year horizon on data that is not supposed to change in that time period. Passports and Driving licences have a 10 year limit so you could assume that ID cards would be time limited as well.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,192
    I hadn't been following so didn't see the extraordinary performance of Trump infront of the UN. An entertaining watch though really something has to be done when chhosing our next 'closest ally'.....!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQsG9hoBKt4
  • Battlebus said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Fingerprints and a €20 fee – the new rules for visiting Europe explained
    From October 12, Britons will face new rules to visit Europe under the EES and ETIAS schemes – here’s everything you need to know
    Nick Trend"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/new-eu-entry-exit-visa-system-rules/?recomm_id=991741f2-d8bf-4d1f-8162-aeea13b8db16

    EUR100 on the cost of a family holiday... Brexit really is the gift that keeps on giving.
    Once every 3 years - it’s hardly a massive issue
    It's the approach that is interesting. A 3 year horizon on data that is not supposed to change in that time period. Passports and Driving licences have a 10 year limit so you could assume that ID cards would be time limited as well.
    I simply cannot see them happening

    The opposition is considerable, and that includes in Labour, it is not in their manifesto so the HOL do not have the same requirement to allow it to pass

    Furthermore it is unlikely to be up and running in this parliament and it absolutely will not do anything to stop the boats
  • Roger said:

    I hadn't been following so didn't see the extraordinary performance of Trump infront of the UN. An entertaining watch though really something has to be done when chhosing our next 'closest ally'.....!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQsG9hoBKt4

    And what is that something may I ask ?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,020
    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Fingerprints and a €20 fee – the new rules for visiting Europe explained
    From October 12, Britons will face new rules to visit Europe under the EES and ETIAS schemes – here’s everything you need to know
    Nick Trend"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/new-eu-entry-exit-visa-system-rules/?recomm_id=991741f2-d8bf-4d1f-8162-aeea13b8db16

    EUR100 on the cost of a family holiday... Brexit really is the gift that keeps on giving.
    Once every 3 years - it’s hardly a massive issue
    Small beer compared to the £100-250 pet owners, who haven’t wangled a pet passport from an EU country, are having to pay each time they take their pet abroad.

    The government press release heralding Labour’s May 2025 deal significantly oversold what had been achieved, stating that pet passports "will" be coming back, making pet travel easier for GB pet owners - raising expectations, when the truth is that the agreement with the EU is merely a "shared objective", with all of the negotiations on the detailed implementation still to be done. Since the May announcement there hasn’t been a dickie of further info about process, progress or timescales, with rumours suggesting that even if things go well, nothing will change until late 2026 at the earliest - leaving a lot of people frustrated at what should have been a good news story for the government.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,069
    Anyone else slightly uncomfortable with Starmer describing Reform as our “enemy”?

    Reform would be a terrible government and disastrous for this country, but they are a legal political party with democratically elected representatives.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,396
    IanB2 said:

    Michael foot on David steel in 1979. Very good.

    That doesn't sound very good. In fact, it sounds like the worst porno ever.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,020

    Battlebus said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Fingerprints and a €20 fee – the new rules for visiting Europe explained
    From October 12, Britons will face new rules to visit Europe under the EES and ETIAS schemes – here’s everything you need to know
    Nick Trend"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/new-eu-entry-exit-visa-system-rules/?recomm_id=991741f2-d8bf-4d1f-8162-aeea13b8db16

    EUR100 on the cost of a family holiday... Brexit really is the gift that keeps on giving.
    Once every 3 years - it’s hardly a massive issue
    It's the approach that is interesting. A 3 year horizon on data that is not supposed to change in that time period. Passports and Driving licences have a 10 year limit so you could assume that ID cards would be time limited as well.
    I simply cannot see them happening

    The opposition is considerable, and that includes in Labour, it is not in their manifesto so the HOL do not have the same requirement to allow it to pass

    Furthermore it is unlikely to be up and running in this parliament and it absolutely will not do anything to stop the boats
    The LibDems have a national campaign pack out on the issue already, so in those LibDem held and target seats at least, it’s going to be an issue of local prominence over this winter.
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