Skip to content

Andy Burnham’s passed from rising hope to Liz Truss without any intervening period whatsoever

SystemSystem Posts: 12,710
edited September 26 in General
Andy Burnham’s passed from rising hope to Liz Truss without any intervening period whatsoever – politicalbetting.com

Not me. The annual ‘Burnham wants to be leader’ headlines just before conference are more grating this year. He didn’t take on the guy who oversaw Labour’s worst defeat in a century & facilitated antisemitism, but pops up now under a huge majority & with 4 years to go?! No ta. https://t.co/hpNn8h6qnU

Read the full story here

«134

Comments

  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,700
    Yeah, he's fucked it
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,218
    Just disgusting really shouting out like that on Macintyre's backswing on the 17th. What a bunch of dickheads
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,003
    edited September 26
    Pulpstar said:

    Just disgusting really shouting out like that on Macintyre's backswing on the 17th. What a bunch of dickheads

    It's worse than Brookline 1999.

    In 2027 the Europeans should be allowed to castrate every Yank player.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Just disgusting really shouting out like that on Macintyre's backswing on the 17th. What a bunch of dickheads

    Who could possibly have predicted such behaviour in a country led by a boorish, vulgar crook who cheats at golf.
  • On topic, Burnham did take on Corbyn in 2015. He got pumped but not as royally as those centrist colossi Cooper and Kendall.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,781
    edited September 26
    Afternoon all.

    How interesting.

    "Previous reports have detailed Glasman’s appearance at Trump’s second inauguration, and his appearances on Steve Bannon’s War Room podcast. But, for the first time, Byline Times can reveal that he was tasked by Morgan McSweeney to make contacts and connections in the Trump administration. And, at first, he reported back almost daily to Number 10.

    This newspaper can also reveal that, at the inauguration, Glasman met Peter Thiel – whose company, Palantir, was recently awarded a £1.5 billion contract with the Ministry of Defence as part of the US-UK ‘Tech Prosperity Deal’ announced by Donald Trump and Prime Minister at the recent state visit."
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,218
    Trying to square these two statements:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07vxv8v89lo

    Kido told parents the breach happened when criminals accessed their data hosted by a software service called Famly.

    "We have conducted a thorough investigation of the incident and can confirm that there has been no breach of Famly's security or infrastructure in any way
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,290
    Pulpstar said:

    Trying to square these two statements:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07vxv8v89lo

    Kido told parents the breach happened when criminals accessed their data hosted by a software service called Famly.

    "We have conducted a thorough investigation of the incident and can confirm that there has been no breach of Famly's security or infrastructure in any way

    Someone will have given away their login details after a phishing attack, I would guess.
  • Pretty much a dead foursome but MacIntyre heckled again before his putt. Wankers.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,020
    Michael foot on David steel in 1979. Very good.
  • Pretty much a dead foursome but MacIntyre heckled again before his putt. Wankers.

    It's going to be grim as fuck on Sunday if it is a close contest.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,767
    Pulpstar said:

    Trying to square these two statements:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07vxv8v89lo

    Kido told parents the breach happened when criminals accessed their data hosted by a software service called Famly.

    "We have conducted a thorough investigation of the incident and can confirm that there has been no breach of Famly's security or infrastructure in any way

    Compromised credentials?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,367
    I am surprised you didn't use the picture

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1971331002359480542
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,901
    Let me be the first to confidently predict the Burnham comeback.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,833
    "“Digital ID” proves that the government has run out of ideas
    It simply will not fix the issue it claims it will fix

    Ben Sixsmith"

    https://thecritic.co.uk/digital-id-proves-that-the-government-has-run-out-of-ideas/
  • Scott_xP said:

    I am surprised you didn't use the picture

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1971331002359480542

    Haven’t seen it, now I’ve added it to the header.
  • IanB2 said:

    Michael foot on David steel in 1979. Very good.

    Yay, somebody spotted my subtle reference.
  • FPT
    MattW said:

    How do ID cards work in Nigel's Nirvana AKA Maga 'Merica?

    Is it a State-based system - coverage seems to be partial?

    I don't think any state has a compulsory ID card system unless you are driving a vehicle. Some States have a law that you must identify yourself to the police if asked to but none require you to back that up with evidence on the spot.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,700
    Burnham has made two fundamental errors


    1 He's come across as arrogant and entitled

    And

    2 He's gone way too far to the left, allowing Starmer to frame him as a bond market Trussterfuck waiting to happen

    He could still do it but this shows his lack of political skills, so maybe it's best for Labour that he HAS screwed it up, he could be even worse than Skyr
  • Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1
  • Leon said:

    Burnham has made two fundamental errors


    1 He's come across as arrogant and entitled

    And

    2 He's gone way too far to the left, allowing Starmer to frame him as a bond market Trussterfuck waiting to happen

    He could still do it but this shows his lack of political skills, so maybe it's best for Labour that he HAS screwed it up, he could be even worse than Skyr

    All of which was broadly known before... But Andy B's talent has been overlooking his lack of talent. (To be fair, he's not unique in that. I'm sure most of us have worked for terrible bosses like that.)

    Still, I'm sure he'll have another go next year. In the meantime, Sir "he'll have to do because everyone else is worse"... will have to do.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,663
    DougSeal said:

    Let me be the first to confidently predict the Burnham comeback.

    Just before Conference next year, and the year after and...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,833

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,309
    edited September 26

    Pulpstar said:

    Just disgusting really shouting out like that on Macintyre's backswing on the 17th. What a bunch of dickheads

    Who could possibly have predicted such behaviour in a country led by a boorish, vulgar crook who cheats at golf.
    Why can't golf fans find something better to shout after the shot that "get in the hole!"? It sounds as offensively bland as a Starmer tweet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,700

    Leon said:

    Burnham has made two fundamental errors


    1 He's come across as arrogant and entitled

    And

    2 He's gone way too far to the left, allowing Starmer to frame him as a bond market Trussterfuck waiting to happen

    He could still do it but this shows his lack of political skills, so maybe it's best for Labour that he HAS screwed it up, he could be even worse than Skyr

    All of which was broadly known before... But Andy B's talent has been overlooking his lack of talent. (To be fair, he's not unique in that. I'm sure most of us have worked for terrible bosses like that.)

    Still, I'm sure he'll have another go next year. In the meantime, Sir "he'll have to do because everyone else is worse"... will have to do.
    But he's made schoolboy errors. Quite odd

    "Nationalise everything" - why did he go and say that? Bonkers

    I would now make Rayner the favourite again (unless she has more cupboard skeletons). She could be back within a year and she's much cannier, and faces no obstacles like Burnham
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,781
    edited September 26
    "Maurice Glasman told Byline Times that his discussion with Thiel was mainly about how to stop Big Tech from driving more unemployment for blue-collar workers. “I believe in bloody big AI everything,” he said, “for the whole national system, draped with a Union Jack.”

    How very interesting again. A national data system. AI. A recent contract that spans healthcare, defence, policing and other public services
  • Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,676
    edited September 26

    "Maurice Glasman told Byline Times that his discussion with Thiel was mainly about how to stop Big Tech from driving more unemployment for blue-collar workers. “I believe in bloody big AI everything,” he said, “for the whole national system, draped with a Union Jack.”

    "I believe in meaningless sloganising as we get shafted by the US".

    With a fleg.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"
    Most of the polling including YouGov show support for them prior to today.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,737
    edited September 26

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"
    Most of the polling including YouGov show support for them prior to today.
    That was for hypothetical ID cards

    I'm sure you have a rule about hypothetical polling
  • I see that Penny Mordor has an EXCITING ANNOUNCEMENT coming tomorrow.

    Is she going to become the latest fuker?
  • I see that Penny Mordor has an EXCITING ANNOUNCEMENT coming tomorrow.

    Is she going to become the latest fuker?

    No.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,200

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"
    Most of the polling including YouGov show support for them prior to today.
    69% oppose among Ref voters isn't what we were led to believe. If this is supposed to be a policy to tempt back those dallying with Ref it isn't a very good one.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,200
    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just disgusting really shouting out like that on Macintyre's backswing on the 17th. What a bunch of dickheads

    Who could possibly have predicted such behaviour in a country led by a boorish, vulgar crook who cheats at golf.
    Why can't golf fans find something better to shout after the shot that "get in the hole!"? It sounds as offensively bland as a Starmer tweet.
    It's very golf, isn't it? (I say that as someone with a vague affectiom for golf.)
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,486
    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    Agreed and I suspect if anything it's all downhill from here as the strength of opposition from certain quarter gains traction. For example when the petition reaches [2] million signatures.

    Which will probably be by the of tomorrow at this rate.
  • Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"
    Most of the polling including YouGov show support for them prior to today.
    69% oppose among Ref voters isn't what we were led to believe. If this is supposed to be a policy to tempt back those dallying with Ref it isn't a very good one.
    That's one of the interesting things.

    How much is that the merits of the plan (for which there is loads we don't know yet), and how much of it that, because the government are proposing it, it must be awful?
  • Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"
    Most of the polling including YouGov show support for them prior to today.
    69% oppose among Ref voters isn't what we were led to believe. If this is supposed to be a policy to tempt back those dallying with Ref it isn't a very good one.
    That's one of the interesting things.

    How much is that the merits of the plan (for which there is loads we don't know yet), and how much of it that, because the government are proposing it, it must be awful?
    The Starmer Effect
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,020
    Petition now up to 1.2 million, still running at more than 1,000 signups per minute
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,700
    edited September 26
    Great Britain is now the most dysfunctional country in the western world

    Discuss

    In many ways it has a distinct resemblance to the old USSR in about 1978
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,513
    “We’ve got to get beyond this thing of being in hock to the bond markets.”

    For how many Party Leadership elections in a row has the Conservative Party voted for that same sentiment?

    How does PB’s Liberal Economic right take down that sentiment?
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,767
    edited September 26
    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"
    Most of the polling including YouGov show support for them prior to today.
    69% oppose among Ref voters isn't what we were led to believe. If this is supposed to be a policy to tempt back those dallying with Ref it isn't a very good one.
    On this morning's MRP a 30% Ref > Lab switch would see Miliband (for instance) convincingly keep rather than loose his seat.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,367
    @JakeSherman

    BREAKING NEWS: House Republican leadership may not bring the House back AT ALL next week.

    They think the ball is in the Senate's court. and they will return when they have a bill to pass.

    @ProjectLincoln

    Convenient this happens just as @RepThomasMassie and @RoKhanna have just secured their 218th signature on the petition to force the release of the Epstein files.
  • “We’ve got to get beyond this thing of being in hock to the bond markets.”

    For how many Party Leadership elections in a row has the Conservative Party voted for that same sentiment?

    How does PB’s Liberal Economic right take down that sentiment?

    Run a budget surplus and then you aren't so tied to the concerns of the bond markets.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,663
    Leon said:

    Great Britain is now the most dysfunctional country in the western world

    Discuss

    In many ways it has a distinct resemblance to the old USSR in about 1978

    I've just flagged this post for being the dreariest post of the day. Isn't that what the flag system is for?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,700
    edited September 26
    Ratters said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    Agreed and I suspect if anything it's all downhill from here as the strength of opposition from certain quarter gains traction. For example when the petition reaches [2] million signatures.

    Which will probably be by the of tomorrow at this rate.
    It's another Skyr Toolmakersson pant-pooperfest. Everything he does ends wth him pooing in his own pants

    Surely they focus-grouped ID cards first, so they could propose them secure in the knowledge the idea is popular?

    Now Starmer is tied to a dramatic policy that is opposed by a pluralilty of the public from the get-go, and which has innumerable potentially fatal problems as soon as you begin to analyse it, and which we all know will cost trillions and never work, because this is the British government
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,521
    Leon said:

    Yeah, he's fucked it

    He’s like the guy who ran Wagner, big noisy attempted coup, everyone gets excited then he fucks it and ends up finished.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,986
    Leon said:

    Great Britain is now the most dysfunctional country in the western world

    Discuss

    In many ways it has a distinct resemblance to the old USSR in about 1978

    In the western world? We're middling on most measures; on things like HDI, happiness etc we're only bested by the Nordics, Australia etc.
  • Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"
    Most of the polling including YouGov show support for them prior to today.
    69% oppose among Ref voters isn't what we were led to believe. If this is supposed to be a policy to tempt back those dallying with Ref it isn't a very good one.
    That's one of the interesting things.

    How much is that the merits of the plan (for which there is loads we don't know yet), and how much of it that, because the government are proposing it, it must be awful?
    Potato, potato.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,700

    “We’ve got to get beyond this thing of being in hock to the bond markets.”

    For how many Party Leadership elections in a row has the Conservative Party voted for that same sentiment?

    How does PB’s Liberal Economic right take down that sentiment?

    They say that like "the bond markets" are some panto villain they can easily ignore, or perhaps a physical symptom which likely has a benign cause. No, the bond markets are the most brutal representation of "economic reality". You can't ignore trouble in the bond markets the way you can't ignore a fast dwindling bank account. Both tell you that soon you will have no money, and then you are fucked
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,521
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Great Britain is now the most dysfunctional country in the western world

    Discuss

    In many ways it has a distinct resemblance to the old USSR in about 1978

    In the western world? We're middling on most measures; on things like HDI, happiness etc we're only bested by the Nordics, Australia etc.
    Which is funny between the northern lot freezing and being suicidal and the southern lot dicing with death every time they come across wildlife.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,627

    I see that Penny Mordor has an EXCITING ANNOUNCEMENT coming tomorrow.

    Is she going to become the latest fuker?

    No.
    Shes standing for Mayor of London?
  • bobbobbobbob Posts: 109

    “We’ve got to get beyond this thing of being in hock to the bond markets.”

    For how many Party Leadership elections in a row has the Conservative Party voted for that same sentiment?

    How does PB’s Liberal Economic right take down that sentiment?

    The uk needs to stop being in hock to the bond markets by reducing the national debt

    its exact same way if someone wants to stop being in hock to barclaycaed then they pay off their credit card
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,627
    edited September 26
    McDonnell and Begum back aboard HMS Sinkington
    https://x.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1971619501046382745?s=19
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,521
    Without wanting to sound like some Covid crank has anyone else suffered from infinitely more cold type viruses since Covid ? I never had the flu before until last Christmas and have had several non Covid viruses since. The more rational side of me blames it on being five years older but I haven’t had a change of lifestyle since Covid, if anything more exercise, less boozing and gave up smoking. But never had so many bad colds in my life.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,700
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Great Britain is now the most dysfunctional country in the western world

    Discuss

    In many ways it has a distinct resemblance to the old USSR in about 1978

    In the western world? We're middling on most measures; on things like HDI, happiness etc we're only bested by the Nordics, Australia etc.
    I cannot think of a significant western nation which is worse run than Britain. Italy used to be our escape clause - "at least we're not as bad as Italy" - but they now have a stable government compared to ours, a more sensible foreign policy. and they have just taken over us by GDP in PPP

    Greece, perhaps? But their economy is now doing notably better than ours

    A rum do
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,513

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"
    Isn’t this what we have been asking for though? Blair and Brown wanted immigration because they believed limitless immigration meant limitless growth. At exactly the same time the reason Migrants hell bent on UK, is becuase we have let them know for decades - get here and you will get work on our black market - we have made it clear to the world we never clamp down in our black market, and that’s paved every illegal economic migrants path here, with gold.
    What have I got wrong?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,513
    edited September 26
    bobbob said:

    “We’ve got to get beyond this thing of being in hock to the bond markets.”

    For how many Party Leadership elections in a row has the Conservative Party voted for that same sentiment?

    How does PB’s Liberal Economic right take down that sentiment?

    The uk needs to stop being in hock to the bond markets by reducing the national debt

    its exact same way if someone wants to stop being in hock to barclaycaed then they pay off their credit card
    It’s not that clear cut though is it? It’s not simply the size of the loan, but the confidence in you paying it back, that sets size and rates? What are you going to do with the borrowed money?
  • TresTres Posts: 3,097
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Great Britain is now the most dysfunctional country in the western world

    Discuss

    In many ways it has a distinct resemblance to the old USSR in about 1978

    In the western world? We're middling on most measures; on things like HDI, happiness etc we're only bested by the Nordics, Australia etc.
    I cannot think of a significant western nation which is worse run than Britain. Italy used to be our escape clause - "at least we're not as bad as Italy" - but they now have a stable government compared to ours, a more sensible foreign policy. and they have just taken over us by GDP in PPP

    Greece, perhaps? But their economy is now doing notably better than ours

    A rum do
    'UK records second biggest population jump in 75 years'

    must be doing something right
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,833
    "Fingerprints and a €20 fee – the new rules for visiting Europe explained
    From October 12, Britons will face new rules to visit Europe under the EES and ETIAS schemes – here’s everything you need to know
    Nick Trend"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/new-eu-entry-exit-visa-system-rules/?recomm_id=991741f2-d8bf-4d1f-8162-aeea13b8db16
  • Tres said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Great Britain is now the most dysfunctional country in the western world

    Discuss

    In many ways it has a distinct resemblance to the old USSR in about 1978

    In the western world? We're middling on most measures; on things like HDI, happiness etc we're only bested by the Nordics, Australia etc.
    I cannot think of a significant western nation which is worse run than Britain. Italy used to be our escape clause - "at least we're not as bad as Italy" - but they now have a stable government compared to ours, a more sensible foreign policy. and they have just taken over us by GDP in PPP

    Greece, perhaps? But their economy is now doing notably better than ours

    A rum do
    'UK records second biggest population jump in 75 years'

    must be doing something right
    That's like a dagger to Leon's black heart/shirt. 🤣
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,513
    Leon said:

    “We’ve got to get beyond this thing of being in hock to the bond markets.”

    For how many Party Leadership elections in a row has the Conservative Party voted for that same sentiment?

    How does PB’s Liberal Economic right take down that sentiment?

    They say that like "the bond markets" are some panto villain they can easily ignore, or perhaps a physical symptom which likely has a benign cause. No, the bond markets are the most brutal representation of "economic reality". You can't ignore trouble in the bond markets the way you can't ignore a fast dwindling bank account. Both tell you that soon you will have no money, and then you are fucked
    How do the Reform plans measure up against "economic reality" you just professed?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,443

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"
    I suspected this would happen . Polling hypothetical scenarios often leads to big changes once a policy is announced. This wasn’t helped by another major fail of the No 10 comms team .
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,521
    Andy_JS said:

    "Fingerprints and a €20 fee – the new rules for visiting Europe explained
    From October 12, Britons will face new rules to visit Europe under the EES and ETIAS schemes – here’s everything you need to know
    Nick Trend"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/new-eu-entry-exit-visa-system-rules/?recomm_id=991741f2-d8bf-4d1f-8162-aeea13b8db16

    Can we trust the EU with our data on a big database?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,403
    boulay said:

    Without wanting to sound like some Covid crank has anyone else suffered from infinitely more cold type viruses since Covid ? I never had the flu before until last Christmas and have had several non Covid viruses since. The more rational side of me blames it on being five years older but I haven’t had a change of lifestyle since Covid, if anything more exercise, less boozing and gave up smoking. But never had so many bad colds in my life.

    Quite a bit of covid around again recently. I know no one bothers to test any more but Mrs Foxy and a few at work have had the typical symptoms including the cardiac dysrhythmias.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,097
    edited September 26
    anyway we done the ex leader of Reform Wales being done for taking Russian bribes yet? Should be an additional charge of treason - yay or nay?
  • bobbobbobbob Posts: 109
    edited September 26

    bobbob said:

    “We’ve got to get beyond this thing of being in hock to the bond markets.”

    For how many Party Leadership elections in a row has the Conservative Party voted for that same sentiment?

    How does PB’s Liberal Economic right take down that sentiment?

    The uk needs to stop being in hock to the bond markets by reducing the national debt

    its exact same way if someone wants to stop being in hock to barclaycaed then they pay off their credit card
    It’s not that clear cut though is it? It’s not simply the size of the loan, but the confidence in you paying it back, that sets size and rates? What are you going to do with the borrowed money?
    It doesn’t matter what your apr is if you don’t need a loan.

    I believe in balanced budgets and living within our means even if that’s unfashionable and none of the major parties share that belief
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,521
    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    Without wanting to sound like some Covid crank has anyone else suffered from infinitely more cold type viruses since Covid ? I never had the flu before until last Christmas and have had several non Covid viruses since. The more rational side of me blames it on being five years older but I haven’t had a change of lifestyle since Covid, if anything more exercise, less boozing and gave up smoking. But never had so many bad colds in my life.

    Quite a bit of covid around again recently. I know no one bothers to test any more but Mrs Foxy and a few at work have had the typical symptoms including the cardiac dysrhythmias.
    I’ve tested a few times each time and all negative so unless the tests aren’t useful for new strains I don’t believe it’s been Covid in my cases.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,299
    a

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"
    Isn’t this what we have been asking for though? Blair and Brown wanted immigration because they believed limitless immigration meant limitless growth. At exactly the same time the reason Migrants hell bent on UK, is becuase we have let them know for decades - get here and you will get work on our black market - we have made it clear to the world we never clamp down in our black market, and that’s paved every illegal economic migrants path here, with gold.
    What have I got wrong?
    If you want to get rid of illegal employment, you need enforcement.

    The employment is illegal and reputable employers check.

    At the moment a tiny fraction of the scumbag employers get caught.

    Hence my proposal to up the fines and give half to the person who gives evidence. Combine that with breaking the use of corporate shields to protect assets - see proceeds of crime. And indefinite leave to remain for the person giving evidence. If they need it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,020
    edited September 26
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Great Britain is now the most dysfunctional country in the western world

    Discuss

    In many ways it has a distinct resemblance to the old USSR in about 1978

    In the western world? We're middling on most measures; on things like HDI, happiness etc we're only bested by the Nordics, Australia etc.
    I cannot think of a significant western nation which is worse run than Britain. Italy used to be our escape clause - "at least we're not as bad as Italy" - but they now have a stable government compared to ours, a more sensible foreign policy. and they have just taken over us by GDP in PPP

    Greece, perhaps? But their economy is now doing notably better than ours

    A rum do
    I can assure you that HMRC is a walk in the park compared to any encounter with Italian authorities. At least when you get through, HMRC will deal with you objectively according to the rules, and your politics and past favours and prospective favours and ability to return any favours won’t come into it.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,521
    Tres said:

    anyway we done the ex leader of Reform Wales being done for taking Russian bribes yet? Should be an additional charge of treason - yay or nay?

    The Russians certainly manage to get the big influential fish don’t they.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,700
    Tres said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Great Britain is now the most dysfunctional country in the western world

    Discuss

    In many ways it has a distinct resemblance to the old USSR in about 1978

    In the western world? We're middling on most measures; on things like HDI, happiness etc we're only bested by the Nordics, Australia etc.
    I cannot think of a significant western nation which is worse run than Britain. Italy used to be our escape clause - "at least we're not as bad as Italy" - but they now have a stable government compared to ours, a more sensible foreign policy. and they have just taken over us by GDP in PPP

    Greece, perhaps? But their economy is now doing notably better than ours

    A rum do
    'UK records second biggest population jump in 75 years'

    must be doing something right
    It’s called Open Borders. And people aren’t flocking here from Switzerland or Australia
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,164

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    Starmer isn’t getting majority support for a policy on day one, that has shown high levels of hypothetical support previously.

    I think he has entered the “everything he touches turns to sh*t” stage of his premiership.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,890
    Leon said:

    Tres said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Great Britain is now the most dysfunctional country in the western world

    Discuss

    In many ways it has a distinct resemblance to the old USSR in about 1978

    In the western world? We're middling on most measures; on things like HDI, happiness etc we're only bested by the Nordics, Australia etc.
    I cannot think of a significant western nation which is worse run than Britain. Italy used to be our escape clause - "at least we're not as bad as Italy" - but they now have a stable government compared to ours, a more sensible foreign policy. and they have just taken over us by GDP in PPP

    Greece, perhaps? But their economy is now doing notably better than ours

    A rum do
    'UK records second biggest population jump in 75 years'

    must be doing something right
    It’s called Open Borders. And people aren’t flocking here from Switzerland or Australia
    And?..
  • TresTres Posts: 3,097
    boulay said:

    Tres said:

    anyway we done the ex leader of Reform Wales being done for taking Russian bribes yet? Should be an additional charge of treason - yay or nay?

    The Russians certainly manage to get the big influential fish don’t they.
    where did the money for that house in Clacton come from?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,521

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    Starmer isn’t getting majority support for a policy on day one, that has shown high levels of hypothetical support previously.

    I think he has entered the “everything he touches turns to sh*t” stage of his premiership.
    He was such a pompous arrogant jackass whilst LotO that it’s especially delicious that it’s happened so quickly.

  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,890
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Great Britain is now the most dysfunctional country in the western world

    Discuss

    In many ways it has a distinct resemblance to the old USSR in about 1978

    In the western world? We're middling on most measures; on things like HDI, happiness etc we're only bested by the Nordics, Australia etc.
    I cannot think of a significant western nation which is worse run than Britain. Italy used to be our escape clause - "at least we're not as bad as Italy" - but they now have a stable government compared to ours, a more sensible foreign policy. and they have just taken over us by GDP in PPP

    Greece, perhaps? But their economy is now doing notably better than ours

    A rum do
    You know all these millionaires you supposedly have dinner with all the time who keep threatening to leave and take their money with them? Why don't you fuck off with them? Give us all a rest
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,020
    Leon said:

    Tres said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Great Britain is now the most dysfunctional country in the western world

    Discuss

    In many ways it has a distinct resemblance to the old USSR in about 1978

    In the western world? We're middling on most measures; on things like HDI, happiness etc we're only bested by the Nordics, Australia etc.
    I cannot think of a significant western nation which is worse run than Britain. Italy used to be our escape clause - "at least we're not as bad as Italy" - but they now have a stable government compared to ours, a more sensible foreign policy. and they have just taken over us by GDP in PPP

    Greece, perhaps? But their economy is now doing notably better than ours

    A rum do
    'UK records second biggest population jump in 75 years'

    must be doing something right
    It’s called Open Borders. And people aren’t flocking here from Switzerland or Australia
    Around 100,000 Australians live in the UK. Many more are here on short term visas for study or work or travel.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,164
    edited September 26
    nico67 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"
    I suspected this would happen . Polling hypothetical scenarios often leads to big changes once a policy is announced. This wasn’t helped by another major fail of the No 10 comms team .
    I am getting the feeling this wasn’t sufficiently stress tested/focus grouped. Indeed, I’m not even sure if it was. I think Mahmood and Starmer were desperate for some “tough on border security” announcements and signed up to whatever some Home Office mandarin put in front of them.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,403
    Tres said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Great Britain is now the most dysfunctional country in the western world

    Discuss

    In many ways it has a distinct resemblance to the old USSR in about 1978

    In the western world? We're middling on most measures; on things like HDI, happiness etc we're only bested by the Nordics, Australia etc.
    I cannot think of a significant western nation which is worse run than Britain. Italy used to be our escape clause - "at least we're not as bad as Italy" - but they now have a stable government compared to ours, a more sensible foreign policy. and they have just taken over us by GDP in PPP

    Greece, perhaps? But their economy is now doing notably better than ours

    A rum do
    'UK records second biggest population jump in 75 years'

    must be doing something right
    I note the figures are to June 2024, so not from this government but rather the previous one.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2djl9jem7o
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,521
    Tres said:

    boulay said:

    Tres said:

    anyway we done the ex leader of Reform Wales being done for taking Russian bribes yet? Should be an additional charge of treason - yay or nay?

    The Russians certainly manage to get the big influential fish don’t they.
    where did the money for that house in Clacton come from?
    I don’t know, do you want to accuse him of taking Russian bribes? Brave.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,268
    Those illegals here working in the informal economy are going to be really put out by having to show their identity papers like the rest of us
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,192
    The man who gives opportunists a bad name............

    1. Timing. Kicking SKS when he was down was bound to get people rallying round
    2. Peter Kyle laughed at him. His belittling of Burnham was very effective By yesterday evening he was a laughing stock
    3. The TV stations did their homework and declared him a 4 times loser
    4. He chose to announce his intentions to the Telegraph. The paper most despised by lefties


    I could go on but what's the point. He's a man without scruples or talent
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,513
    Any other Church goers, and close to Christianity picking up what I am picking up? The More Irish Catholics stand by the Palestinians, the more the Northern Ireland Protestants back Israel’s actions?

    There’s a lot of “what you like I will hate, who you will support I will oppose” going on right now. That’s not Christianity! 😠
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,700

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Great Britain is now the most dysfunctional country in the western world

    Discuss

    In many ways it has a distinct resemblance to the old USSR in about 1978

    In the western world? We're middling on most measures; on things like HDI, happiness etc we're only bested by the Nordics, Australia etc.
    I cannot think of a significant western nation which is worse run than Britain. Italy used to be our escape clause - "at least we're not as bad as Italy" - but they now have a stable government compared to ours, a more sensible foreign policy. and they have just taken over us by GDP in PPP

    Greece, perhaps? But their economy is now doing notably better than ours

    A rum do
    You know all these millionaires you supposedly have dinner with all the time who keep threatening to leave and take their money with them? Why don't you fuck off with them? Give us all a rest
    I’m sorry that your dismal Labour government is probably the worst government in human history. I sense your pain. But there it is

    I did try to help by lending them a vote but Alas
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,815
    edited September 26
    It was silly to be so open with so many hurdles still in the way. Quietly back into parliament or wait your turn.

    Either a terrible campaign or he is setting himself up as some kind of unofficial stalking horse, beyond the censure of the whips office, and actually isn't THAT interested in winning the prize himself.

    Let's be honest, it's probably the former.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,826

    Any other Church goers, and close to Christianity picking up what I am picking up? The More Irish Catholics stand by the Palestinians, the more the Northern Ireland Protestants back Israel’s actions?

    There’s a lot of “what you like I will hate, who you will support I will oppose” going on right now. That’s not Christianity! 😠

    Go round Belfast during the Orange parade season and you'll see plenty of Israel flags.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,493
    edited September 26
    That gilt chart has F all to do with Andy Burnham but for anyone paying attention it is terrifying. We are very, very close to the point when Wile E Coyote looks down and discovers that he has in fact run out of land. I will be amazed and relieved if we get to the end of this year without a major crisis in the Bond market. A bad response to the budget and all hell will break loose.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,403

    Any other Church goers, and close to Christianity picking up what I am picking up? The More Irish Catholics stand by the Palestinians, the more the Northern Ireland Protestants back Israel’s actions?

    There’s a lot of “what you like I will hate, who you will support I will oppose” going on right now. That’s not Christianity! 😠

    It's a settlers vs natives issue, and in Northern Ireland they make the Scots look amateurs at nursing a grievance...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,493
    Roger said:

    The man who gives opportunists a bad name............

    1. Timing. Kicking SKS when he was down was bound to get people rallying round
    2. Peter Kyle laughed at him. His belittling of Burnham was very effective By yesterday evening he was a laughing stock
    3. The TV stations did their homework and declared him a 4 times loser
    4. He chose to announce his intentions to the Telegraph. The paper most despised by lefties


    I could go on but what's the point. He's a man without scruples or talent

    So you are saying he is qualified for the post?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,296

    Any other Church goers, and close to Christianity picking up what I am picking up? The More Irish Catholics stand by the Palestinians, the more the Northern Ireland Protestants back Israel’s actions?

    There’s a lot of “what you like I will hate, who you will support I will oppose” going on right now. That’s not Christianity! 😠

    When I was in Belfast last year, there were as many Star of David flags as Union flags, often hung from the same lampposts. And Palestinian ones along the Falls Road
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,403
    boulay said:

    Tres said:

    boulay said:

    Tres said:

    anyway we done the ex leader of Reform Wales being done for taking Russian bribes yet? Should be an additional charge of treason - yay or nay?

    The Russians certainly manage to get the big influential fish don’t they.
    where did the money for that house in Clacton come from?
    I don’t know, do you want to accuse him of taking Russian bribes? Brave.
    Now that Farage is a journalist, this poem fits like a glove:

    "You cannot hope
    to bribe or twist,
    thank God! the
    British journalist.

    But, seeing what
    the man will do
    unbribed, there's
    no occasion to."
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,513

    “We’ve got to get beyond this thing of being in hock to the bond markets.”

    For how many Party Leadership elections in a row has the Conservative Party voted for that same sentiment?

    How does PB’s Liberal Economic right take down that sentiment?

    Run a budget surplus and then you aren't so tied to the concerns of the bond markets.
    You can run a budget surplus though, by hiking taxes - that puts you in a good place to borrow and spend more? Burnhamnomics is going to work then?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,493
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Tres said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Great Britain is now the most dysfunctional country in the western world

    Discuss

    In many ways it has a distinct resemblance to the old USSR in about 1978

    In the western world? We're middling on most measures; on things like HDI, happiness etc we're only bested by the Nordics, Australia etc.
    I cannot think of a significant western nation which is worse run than Britain. Italy used to be our escape clause - "at least we're not as bad as Italy" - but they now have a stable government compared to ours, a more sensible foreign policy. and they have just taken over us by GDP in PPP

    Greece, perhaps? But their economy is now doing notably better than ours

    A rum do
    'UK records second biggest population jump in 75 years'

    must be doing something right
    It’s called Open Borders. And people aren’t flocking here from Switzerland or Australia
    Around 100,000 Australians live in the UK. Many more are here on short term visas for study or work or travel.
    Can any of them play cricket?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,296
    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Great Britain is now the most dysfunctional country in the western world

    Discuss

    In many ways it has a distinct resemblance to the old USSR in about 1978

    In the western world? We're middling on most measures; on things like HDI, happiness etc we're only bested by the Nordics, Australia etc.
    I cannot think of a significant western nation which is worse run than Britain. Italy used to be our escape clause - "at least we're not as bad as Italy" - but they now have a stable government compared to ours, a more sensible foreign policy. and they have just taken over us by GDP in PPP

    Greece, perhaps? But their economy is now doing notably better than ours

    A rum do
    'UK records second biggest population jump in 75 years'

    must be doing something right
    I note the figures are to June 2024, so not from this government but rather the previous one.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2djl9jem7o
    Wasn't that down to Boris's fecundity?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,443

    nico67 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"

    Andy_JS said:

    Very strong support..

    @YouGov
    SNAP POLL/ From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose the proposal to introduce a digital ID card system in Britain?

    Support: 42%
    Oppose: 45%

    By 2024 vote
    Lab: 51% support / 35% oppose
    Con: 50% / 44%
    Lib Dem: 49% / 39%
    Reform: 22% / 69%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1971600117544194105

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/09/26/aaac5/1?utm_source=daily_question&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=daily/2025/09/26_question_1

    42% isn't very strong. It's lower than I was expecting.
    We were told yesterday that "The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public"
    I suspected this would happen . Polling hypothetical scenarios often leads to big changes once a policy is announced. This wasn’t helped by another major fail of the No 10 comms team .
    I am getting the feeling this wasn’t sufficiently stress tested/focus grouped. Indeed, I’m not even sure if it was. I think Mahmood and Starmer were desperate for some “tough on border security” announcements and signed up to whatever some Home Office mandarin put in front of them.
    Starmer should have held a proper news conference. And they should have released detailed plans and how those without smartphones would get the ID . The policy should have clearly stated that the primary role was for work and people wouldn’t be forced to use it to access services .
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,020
    edited September 26
    DavidL said:

    That gilt chart has F all to do with Andy Burnham but for anyone paying attention it is terrifying. We are very, very close to the point when Wile E Coyote looks down and discovers that he has in fact run out of land. I will be amazed and relieved if we get to the end of this year without a major crisis in the Bond market. A bad response to the budget and all hell will break loose.

    Last time I looked, we were simply tracking the US, which has a rather larger problem
  • TresTres Posts: 3,097
    boulay said:

    Tres said:

    boulay said:

    Tres said:

    anyway we done the ex leader of Reform Wales being done for taking Russian bribes yet? Should be an additional charge of treason - yay or nay?

    The Russians certainly manage to get the big influential fish don’t they.
    where did the money for that house in Clacton come from?
    I don’t know, do you want to accuse him of taking Russian bribes? Brave.
    anyway do you think taking Russian bribes is treasonable or not?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,021
    Burnham's comments on the bond market are beyond stupid. Don't want to be in hock to the bond market, lol. Does he not know that we are hoping to sell £300bn of bonds this year?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,021
    IanB2 said:

    DavidL said:

    That gilt chart has F all to do with Andy Burnham but for anyone paying attention it is terrifying. We are very, very close to the point when Wile E Coyote looks down and discovers that he has in fact run out of land. I will be amazed and relieved if we get to the end of this year without a major crisis in the Bond market. A bad response to the budget and all hell will break loose.

    Last time I looked, we were simply tracking the US, which has a rather larger problem
    We have a smaller problem but the market has less tolerance for our stupid shit. But in all honesty sovereign debt markets are all in a parlous state.
Sign In or Register to comment.