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I think he's stripped down to his Rambo-style best and is single-handedly holding on to the blown out shell of Donetsk airport on behalf of the Donbass militias for the glory of Putin. No yellow boxes were harmed in this action.Pulpstar said:
Any news on ALPNeil said:
Especially under False Flag's collar!MikeK said:MossadNews @MossadNews 4m4 minutes ago
U.S. Considers Supplying Arms to Ukraine Forces, Officials Say U.S. Considers Supplying Arms to Ukraine Forces,... http://fb.me/1IsRlQncT
Thing could get very hot if they do.......
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Indeed and the lay on Cameron at 1.64nigel4england said:
Have you lumped on BJO?bigjohnowls said:
Todays Populus LAB 337 CON 259 LD 25 EICIPM(2.50 on Betfair)MikeK said:Was there a Populus poll today?
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MikeK,
Re Boston ... "Some exciting news coming up later today."
They've found a non-Kipper?0 -
Given you are projecting a Labour majority should you not be focussing your resources on the far more generous odds available on that?bigjohnowls said:
Indeed and the lay on Cameron at 1.64nigel4england said:
Have you lumped on BJO?bigjohnowls said:
Todays Populus LAB 337 CON 259 LD 25 EICIPM(2.50 on Betfair)MikeK said:Was there a Populus poll today?
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As far as I was aware their tax bill before and after the change was 0 pounds.Socrates said:
They haven't evaded any tax, but they certainly avoided it.Alistair said:
They haven't avoided any taxTheWatcher said:
Ed M can criticise others for legal tax avoidance when the Miliband family cough up the Inheritance Tax they dodged on his father's estate . Until then, he just another hypocrite.TGOHF said:
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3h 3 hours agoAlistair said:I see it is Wednesday before the Scottish poling is released.
Pls retweet that my Scottish individual constituency poll will be released at 11am Wed at http://lordashcroftpolls.com Register there to receive
Meanwhile the Telegraph is having a titter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
"Ed Miliband tells Boots boss who lives in Monaco: Pay your taxes"
I'm sure the Monaconian government will welcome this reminder to their citizen.0 -
How has he avoided it? When my Dad died his share of the estate just passed to my Mum. Isn't that what happened with the Milibands?Socrates said:
They haven't evaded any tax, but they certainly avoided it.Alistair said:
They haven't avoided any taxTheWatcher said:
Ed M can criticise others for legal tax avoidance when the Miliband family cough up the Inheritance Tax they dodged on his father's estate . Until then, he just another hypocrite.TGOHF said:
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3h 3 hours agoAlistair said:I see it is Wednesday before the Scottish poling is released.
Pls retweet that my Scottish individual constituency poll will be released at 11am Wed at http://lordashcroftpolls.com Register there to receive
Meanwhile the Telegraph is having a titter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
"Ed Miliband tells Boots boss who lives in Monaco: Pay your taxes"
I'm sure the Monaconian government will welcome this reminder to their citizen.
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Nope.SouthamObserver said:
How has he avoided it? When my Dad died his share of the estate just passed to my Mum. Isn't that what happened with the Milibands?Socrates said:
They haven't evaded any tax, but they certainly avoided it.Alistair said:
They haven't avoided any taxTheWatcher said:
Ed M can criticise others for legal tax avoidance when the Miliband family cough up the Inheritance Tax they dodged on his father's estate . Until then, he just another hypocrite.TGOHF said:
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3h 3 hours agoAlistair said:I see it is Wednesday before the Scottish poling is released.
Pls retweet that my Scottish individual constituency poll will be released at 11am Wed at http://lordashcroftpolls.com Register there to receive
Meanwhile the Telegraph is having a titter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
"Ed Miliband tells Boots boss who lives in Monaco: Pay your taxes"
I'm sure the Monaconian government will welcome this reminder to their citizen.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/8039829/Red-Ed-Miliband-lives-in-1.6m-house-after-shrewd-property-moves.html
http://www.standard.co.uk/business/city-spy-red-ed-does-marxism-the-primrose-hill-way-6519479.html0 -
Do you have a source? This doesn't make sense to me, considering their house was considerably over the threshold.Alistair said:
As far as I was aware their tax bill before and after the change was 0 pounds.Socrates said:
They haven't evaded any tax, but they certainly avoided it.Alistair said:
They haven't avoided any taxTheWatcher said:
Ed M can criticise others for legal tax avoidance when the Miliband family cough up the Inheritance Tax they dodged on his father's estate . Until then, he just another hypocrite.TGOHF said:
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3h 3 hours agoAlistair said:I see it is Wednesday before the Scottish poling is released.
Pls retweet that my Scottish individual constituency poll will be released at 11am Wed at http://lordashcroftpolls.com Register there to receive
Meanwhile the Telegraph is having a titter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
"Ed Miliband tells Boots boss who lives in Monaco: Pay your taxes"
I'm sure the Monaconian government will welcome this reminder to their citizen.0 -
"You'll receive the Order of Lenin for this!"Neil said:
I think he's stripped down to his Rambo-style best and is single-handedly holding on to the blown out shell of Donetsk airport on behalf of the Donbass militias for the glory of Putin. No yellow boxes were harmed in this action.Pulpstar said:
Any news on ALPNeil said:
Especially under False Flag's collar!MikeK said:MossadNews @MossadNews 4m4 minutes ago
U.S. Considers Supplying Arms to Ukraine Forces, Officials Say U.S. Considers Supplying Arms to Ukraine Forces,... http://fb.me/1IsRlQncT
Thing could get very hot if they do....... ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JZL4CBwUOA0 -
Ralph left 20% to each brother when he died, and the rest went through their mother. That means they got to use the tax-free threshold twice.SouthamObserver said:
How has he avoided it? When my Dad died his share of the estate just passed to my Mum. Isn't that what happened with the Milibands?Socrates said:
They haven't evaded any tax, but they certainly avoided it.Alistair said:
They haven't avoided any taxTheWatcher said:
Ed M can criticise others for legal tax avoidance when the Miliband family cough up the Inheritance Tax they dodged on his father's estate . Until then, he just another hypocrite.TGOHF said:
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3h 3 hours agoAlistair said:I see it is Wednesday before the Scottish poling is released.
Pls retweet that my Scottish individual constituency poll will be released at 11am Wed at http://lordashcroftpolls.com Register there to receive
Meanwhile the Telegraph is having a titter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
"Ed Miliband tells Boots boss who lives in Monaco: Pay your taxes"
I'm sure the Monaconian government will welcome this reminder to their citizen.0 -
Sounds potentially inheritance tax inefficient to me, though I have no idea of your personal circumstances.SouthamObserver said:
How has he avoided it? When my Dad died his share of the estate just passed to my Mum. Isn't that what happened with the Milibands?Socrates said:
They haven't evaded any tax, but they certainly avoided it.Alistair said:
They haven't avoided any taxTheWatcher said:
Ed M can criticise others for legal tax avoidance when the Miliband family cough up the Inheritance Tax they dodged on his father's estate . Until then, he just another hypocrite.TGOHF said:
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3h 3 hours agoAlistair said:I see it is Wednesday before the Scottish poling is released.
Pls retweet that my Scottish individual constituency poll will be released at 11am Wed at http://lordashcroftpolls.com Register there to receive
Meanwhile the Telegraph is having a titter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
"Ed Miliband tells Boots boss who lives in Monaco: Pay your taxes"
I'm sure the Monaconian government will welcome this reminder to their citizen.
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Not yet sure which party will find that this protest works to its disadvantage?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-31088052
Could damage, LDs, Greens, or Labour in Bristol W.0 -
The impact of the deed of variation will surely be felt when the rest of the property is inherited by them (presuming that it will be). So more a question of having engaged in practices that will avoid taxes in the future. I'm guessing that whoever was paid to advise them about this would qualify for the description of a "predatory capitalist".Alistair said:
As far as I was aware their tax bill before and after the change was 0 pounds.Socrates said:
They haven't evaded any tax, but they certainly avoided it.Alistair said:
They haven't avoided any taxTheWatcher said:
Ed M can criticise others for legal tax avoidance when the Miliband family cough up the Inheritance Tax they dodged on his father's estate . Until then, he just another hypocrite.TGOHF said:
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3h 3 hours agoAlistair said:I see it is Wednesday before the Scottish poling is released.
Pls retweet that my Scottish individual constituency poll will be released at 11am Wed at http://lordashcroftpolls.com Register there to receive
Meanwhile the Telegraph is having a titter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
"Ed Miliband tells Boots boss who lives in Monaco: Pay your taxes"
I'm sure the Monaconian government will welcome this reminder to their citizen.
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Sounds like common sense to me.Socrates said:
Ralph left 20% to each brother when he died, and the rest went through their mother. That means they got to use the tax-free threshold twice.SouthamObserver said:
How has he avoided it? When my Dad died his share of the estate just passed to my Mum. Isn't that what happened with the Milibands?Socrates said:
They haven't evaded any tax, but they certainly avoided it.Alistair said:
They haven't avoided any taxTheWatcher said:
Ed M can criticise others for legal tax avoidance when the Miliband family cough up the Inheritance Tax they dodged on his father's estate . Until then, he just another hypocrite.TGOHF said:
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3h 3 hours agoAlistair said:I see it is Wednesday before the Scottish poling is released.
Pls retweet that my Scottish individual constituency poll will be released at 11am Wed at http://lordashcroftpolls.com Register there to receive
Meanwhile the Telegraph is having a titter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
"Ed Miliband tells Boots boss who lives in Monaco: Pay your taxes"
I'm sure the Monaconian government will welcome this reminder to their citizen.0 -
Sounds like common sense to me.Pulpstar said:Ralph left 20% to each brother when he died, and the rest went through their mother. That means they got to use the tax-free threshold twice.
I don't see anything wrong with it, but it certainly goes against the Labour line that tax avoidance, and not just tax evasion, is wrong.0 -
But you're a right-wing / flirting-with-voting-Liberal-Democrat type. Even if you dont think it's objectionable from a politician in itself there is surely the question of the hypocrisy of it all.Pulpstar said:
Sounds like common sense to me.Socrates said:
Ralph left 20% to each brother when he died, and the rest went through their mother. That means they got to use the tax-free threshold twice.SouthamObserver said:
How has he avoided it? When my Dad died his share of the estate just passed to my Mum. Isn't that what happened with the Milibands?Socrates said:
They haven't evaded any tax, but they certainly avoided it.Alistair said:
They haven't avoided any taxTheWatcher said:
Ed M can criticise others for legal tax avoidance when the Miliband family cough up the Inheritance Tax they dodged on his father's estate . Until then, he just another hypocrite.TGOHF said:
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3h 3 hours agoAlistair said:I see it is Wednesday before the Scottish poling is released.
Pls retweet that my Scottish individual constituency poll will be released at 11am Wed at http://lordashcroftpolls.com Register there to receive
Meanwhile the Telegraph is having a titter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
"Ed Miliband tells Boots boss who lives in Monaco: Pay your taxes"
I'm sure the Monaconian government will welcome this reminder to their citizen.
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The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.0
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Lab lead over Con 2.8%Sean_F said:
Lab 34, Con 31, UKIP 14, Others 21.bigjohnowls said:
Whats the running Sunil on this week?Sunil_Prasannan said:For those wot missed it yesterday:
Sunil Prasannan @Sunil_P2 · Feb 1
ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) 1st Feb: Lab 33.3, Con 32.9, UKIP 15.4, LD 6.9, Grn 6.3. Lowest Lab % lead
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/561853144913555456
lol
LD lead over Greens 3.3%0 -
I don't see anything wrong with it, but it certainly goes against the Labour line that tax avoidance, and not just tax evasion, is wrong.Socrates said:
Sounds like common sense to me.Pulpstar said:Ralph left 20% to each brother when he died, and the rest went through their mother. That means they got to use the tax-free threshold twice.
Tax avoidance and evasion are both wrong.
Tax planning however is sensible.
THis comes back to Alistair's point about tightening up country by country accounts reporting rules.
As a director of a company, you have a fiduciary duty to the company, not the Government - so paying more tax than is necessary is not in keeping with those duties. Hence the need for zero tolerance on transfer pricing and country by country reporting.0 -
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
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FAO : BJO - I notice Matin Laird finally finished tied 5th in the Phoenix Open Golf (after visiting the water at the last). Was this still a profitable bet for you, I recall that you were set to clean up if he finished top 3?0 -
I'd say I'm in the centre ground as of nowNeil said:
But you're a right-wing / flirting-with-voting-Liberal-Democrat type. Even if you dont think it's objectionable from a politician in itself there is surely the question of the hypocrisy of it all.Pulpstar said:
Sounds like common sense to me.Socrates said:
Ralph left 20% to each brother when he died, and the rest went through their mother. That means they got to use the tax-free threshold twice.SouthamObserver said:
How has he avoided it? When my Dad died his share of the estate just passed to my Mum. Isn't that what happened with the Milibands?Socrates said:
They haven't evaded any tax, but they certainly avoided it.Alistair said:
They haven't avoided any taxTheWatcher said:
Ed M can criticise others for legal tax avoidance when the Miliband family cough up the Inheritance Tax they dodged on his father's estate . Until then, he just another hypocrite.TGOHF said:
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3h 3 hours agoAlistair said:I see it is Wednesday before the Scottish poling is released.
Pls retweet that my Scottish individual constituency poll will be released at 11am Wed at http://lordashcroftpolls.com Register there to receive
Meanwhile the Telegraph is having a titter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
"Ed Miliband tells Boots boss who lives in Monaco: Pay your taxes"
I'm sure the Monaconian government will welcome this reminder to their citizen.
Like Clegg
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That, on the other hand, is well wrong.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
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I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.0 -
"Marxist academic Ralph Miliband owned a house in Edis Street, Primrose Hill. At some point after he died in 1994, his widow and two sons signed a "deed of variation" to his will that gave Ed and David each a 20% share in the house, which meant that on their mother's death they would pay inheritance tax only on the remaining 60%."SouthamObserver said:
How has he avoided it? When my Dad died his share of the estate just passed to my Mum. Isn't that what happened with the Milibands?Socrates said:
They haven't evaded any tax, but they certainly avoided it.Alistair said:
They haven't avoided any taxTheWatcher said:
Ed M can criticise others for legal tax avoidance when the Miliband family cough up the Inheritance Tax they dodged on his father's estate . Until then, he just another hypocrite.TGOHF said:
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3h 3 hours agoAlistair said:I see it is Wednesday before the Scottish poling is released.
Pls retweet that my Scottish individual constituency poll will be released at 11am Wed at http://lordashcroftpolls.com Register there to receive
Meanwhile the Telegraph is having a titter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
"Ed Miliband tells Boots boss who lives in Monaco: Pay your taxes"
I'm sure the Monaconian government will welcome this reminder to their citizen.
Ian Jack
It basically reduced the size of any IHT bill on 2nd death (his mother whenever) by reducing the assets that went via the surviving spouse. However after the tax changes in October 2008 this was no longer necessary due to spousal transfer of any unused IHT allowances. If her assets are sizable she can/could utilise the 7 year rule on gifts.0 -
Could get picked up now it's been mentioned on this thread - it wouldn't surprise me if CCHQ have some teenagers employed on £6.50 an hour paid to trawl through social media all day.Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.0 -
The vast majority of the nonsense stemming from the debate over wind farms is based on what the Green Crap has done to public perception. It is purely the result of political decisions.Socrates said:@rcs1000
One missing piece of your argument is that there the renewables obligation means that there are different market rates for green energy and non-green energy. So theoretically you could get the higher price from generating green energy, and a lower price for the (mostly) non-green energy you used to build it.
Although realistically this is likely to be more than covered by non-energy costs.
The marginal cost of wind energy is near zero, compared to any non-renewable source of power, it is incredibly cheap. The problem stems from the inflexibility of markets to address (mainly) barriers to entry, as they have a relatively high up front cost.
When the shift began, the focus of both Tory and Labour party is on a refusal to recognise market failure and attempts to gerrymander the market with a price based incentive to switch production. Hence the higher guarantees of price for renewable electricity to overcome the barrier to entry that existing government funded infrastructure created.
It would have been better for the public perception, if the choice had been made simply to nationalise the construction of wind farms or to subsidise the construction out of general taxation. However as this would have impacted the PSBR it was not politically acceptable to either the Tories or NuLabour.
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Pessina is an Italian who has, as far as I can make out, never lived in the UK and therefore never had any UK tax liability. So absurd of EdM to make this - as he appeared to today - an issue of the individual's tax liability, as opposed to the issue of how Boots arranges its tax affairs.
But in any case it might have been better to focus on what Labour would do to make the economy better. It's the fact that Labour do not appear to have anything to say on this which is the issue. Expressing resentment (even if shared) is one thing but it is not sensible politics.0 -
I hope they do some proper research and dont go all in on the back of presumptions. That could cause them difficulties down the road.Pulpstar said:
Could get picked up now it's been mentioned on this thread - it wouldn't surprise me if CCHQ have some teenagers employed on £6.50 an hour paid to trawl through social media all day.Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.
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Councillors.
UKIP (+1)
Ind (-1)
Boston and Skegness.
Big news folks...0 -
CGT avoidance, potentially very serious. More explainable if one residence is in Doncaster (for him).Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.
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And a serious accusation to be throwing around on someone else's blog as well.TCPoliticalBetting said:
CGT avoidance, potentially very serious. More explainable if one residence is in Doncaster (for him).Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.
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I'm not stating anything other than the truth that they listed their two flats as different primary residences, which is something admitted by the Labour party.Neil said:
And a serious accusation to be throwing around on someone else's blog as well.TCPoliticalBetting said:
CGT avoidance, potentially very serious. More explainable if one residence is in Doncaster (for him).Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.0 -
One could (if one was being generous) say it's a quid pro quo for the fact that unmarried couples will face IHT on anything they leave to each other over and above £325,000, whereas married couples can leave each other an unlimited amount.Alistair said:
That, on the other hand, is well wrong.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
Married couples can also transfer assets to each other without facing IHT.0 -
Labour slips to a new mid-spread low of 280 today with Sporting's 2015 GE Seats market, while the Tories are 2 seats ahead on a mid-spread of 282.0
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Is that the get of jail free for libel, a few weasel words and "allegedly" chucked in for good measure ?Neil said:
And a serious accusation to be throwing around on someone else's blog as well.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Allegedly, some have said this is potentiallyCGT avoidance, potentially very serious. More explainable if one residence is in Doncaster (for him).Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.0 -
No, both residences I'm talking about were two flats in London, prior to Summer 2009. They moved into their current home together then, and haven't sold it yet, so have yet to make a decision about whose primary residence they list it as.TCPoliticalBetting said:
CGT avoidance, potentially very serious. More explainable if one residence is in Doncaster (for him).Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.0 -
So as his mother is still alive EdM has not avoided any tax at all.TCPoliticalBetting said:
"Marxist academic Ralph Miliband owned a house in Edis Street, Primrose Hill. At some point after he died in 1994, his widow and two sons signed a "deed of variation" to his will that gave Ed and David each a 20% share in the house, which meant that on their mother's death they would pay inheritance tax only on the remaining 60%."SouthamObserver said:
How has he avoided it? When my Dad died his share of the estate just passed to my Mum. Isn't that what happened with the Milibands?Socrates said:
They haven't evaded any tax, but they certainly avoided it.Alistair said:
They haven't avoided any taxTheWatcher said:
Ed M can criticise others for legal tax avoidance when the Miliband family cough up the Inheritance Tax they dodged on his father's estate . Until then, he just another hypocrite.TGOHF said:
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3h 3 hours agoAlistair said:I see it is Wednesday before the Scottish poling is released.
Pls retweet that my Scottish individual constituency poll will be released at 11am Wed at http://lordashcroftpolls.com Register there to receive
Meanwhile the Telegraph is having a titter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
"Ed Miliband tells Boots boss who lives in Monaco: Pay your taxes"
I'm sure the Monaconian government will welcome this reminder to their citizen.
Ian Jack
It basically reduced the size of any IHT bill on 2nd death (his mother whenever) by reducing the assets that went via the surviving spouse. However after the tax changes in October 2008 this was no longer necessary due to spousal transfer of any unused IHT allowances. If her assets are sizable she can/could utilise the 7 year rule on gifts.
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May I ask who the heck are those Others on 21% with Populus?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Lab lead over Con 2.8%Sean_F said:
Lab 34, Con 31, UKIP 14, Others 21.bigjohnowls said:
Whats the running Sunil on this week?Sunil_Prasannan said:For those wot missed it yesterday:
Sunil Prasannan @Sunil_P2 · Feb 1
ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) 1st Feb: Lab 33.3, Con 32.9, UKIP 15.4, LD 6.9, Grn 6.3. Lowest Lab % lead
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/561853144913555456
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LD lead over Greens 3.3%0 -
The best thing about laying Dave rather than backing Ed on the PM market is that I now have Boris Johnson at +£28.50 to form the first ministry after the GE !0
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None of them. Stapleton is in Bristol Eastdr_spyn said:Not yet sure which party will find that this protest works to its disadvantage?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-31088052
Could damage, LDs, Greens, or Labour in Bristol W.0 -
No, but he has planned for doing so once his mother dies. Which is sensible and perfectly legal, just hypocritical.SouthamObserver said:
So as his mother is still alive EdM has not avoided any tax at all.TCPoliticalBetting said:
"Marxist academic Ralph Miliband owned a house in Edis Street, Primrose Hill. At some point after he died in 1994, his widow and two sons signed a "deed of variation" to his will that gave Ed and David each a 20% share in the house, which meant that on their mother's death they would pay inheritance tax only on the remaining 60%."SouthamObserver said:
How has he avoided it? When my Dad died his share of the estate just passed to my Mum. Isn't that what happened with the Milibands?Socrates said:
They haven't evaded any tax, but they certainly avoided it.Alistair said:
They haven't avoided any taxTheWatcher said:
Ed M can criticise others for legal tax avoidance when the Miliband family cough up the Inheritance Tax they dodged on his father's estate . Until then, he just another hypocrite.TGOHF said:
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3h 3 hours agoAlistair said:I see it is Wednesday before the Scottish poling is released.
Pls retweet that my Scottish individual constituency poll will be released at 11am Wed at http://lordashcroftpolls.com Register there to receive
Meanwhile the Telegraph is having a titter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
"Ed Miliband tells Boots boss who lives in Monaco: Pay your taxes"
I'm sure the Monaconian government will welcome this reminder to their citizen.
Ian Jack
It basically reduced the size of any IHT bill on 2nd death (his mother whenever) by reducing the assets that went via the surviving spouse. However after the tax changes in October 2008 this was no longer necessary due to spousal transfer of any unused IHT allowances. If her assets are sizable she can/could utilise the 7 year rule on gifts.0 -
You are also suggesting that there was something against either the spirit or even the letter of the law in what they did. You seem to be basing this on rather intimate knowledge of their living arrangements at the relevant time which, frankly, I dont believe you really possess.Socrates said:
I'm not stating anything other than the truth that they listed their two flats as different primary residences, which is something admitted by the Labour party.Neil said:
And a serious accusation to be throwing around on someone else's blog as well.TCPoliticalBetting said:
CGT avoidance, potentially very serious. More explainable if one residence is in Doncaster (for him).Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.
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Their first child was born in 2009, the year it looks like they moved in together. Is it that unusual for long-term couples to live in different residences before settling down together? I know a fair few people who have done it.Socrates said:
I'm not stating anything other than the truth that they listed their two flats as different primary residences, which is something admitted by the Labour party.Neil said:
And a serious accusation to be throwing around on someone else's blog as well.TCPoliticalBetting said:
CGT avoidance, potentially very serious. More explainable if one residence is in Doncaster (for him).Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.
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LD 8Speedy said:
May I ask who the heck are those Others on 21% with Populus?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Lab lead over Con 2.8%Sean_F said:
Lab 34, Con 31, UKIP 14, Others 21.bigjohnowls said:
Whats the running Sunil on this week?Sunil_Prasannan said:For those wot missed it yesterday:
Sunil Prasannan @Sunil_P2 · Feb 1
ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) 1st Feb: Lab 33.3, Con 32.9, UKIP 15.4, LD 6.9, Grn 6.3. Lowest Lab % lead
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/561853144913555456
lol
LD lead over Greens 3.3%
Grn 5
SNP 5
others 3 (AIUI)0 -
I never mentioned the letter of the law. I said something seemed to go against the spirit, but I don't know for certain.Neil said:
You are also suggesting that there was something against either the spirit or even the letter of the law in what they did. You seem to be basing this on rather intimate knowledge of their living arrangements at the relevant time which, frankly, I dont believe you really possess.Socrates said:
I'm not stating anything other than the truth that they listed their two flats as different primary residences, which is something admitted by the Labour party.Neil said:
And a serious accusation to be throwing around on someone else's blog as well.TCPoliticalBetting said:
CGT avoidance, potentially very serious. More explainable if one residence is in Doncaster (for him).Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.
All I know is that Ed Miliband sold a flat in December 2009 and didn't pay capital gains tax on it because he was listing it as his primary residence - a different primary residence to his then girlfriend. Given that she had been pregnant and gave birth to his first son nine months before this date, I have said it would be fun to hear Ed Miliband's take on all this in an interview.0 -
His parents planned, not him.saddened said:
No, but he has planned for doing so once his mother dies. Which is sensible and perfectly legal, just hypocritical.SouthamObserver said:
So as his mother is still alive EdM has not avoided any tax at all.TCPoliticalBetting said:
"Marxist academic Ralph Miliband owned a house in Edis Street, Primrose Hill. At some point after he died in 1994, his widow and two sons signed a "deed of variation" to his will that gave Ed and David each a 20% share in the house, which meant that on their mother's death they would pay inheritance tax only on the remaining 60%."SouthamObserver said:
How has he avoided it? When my Dad died his share of the estate just passed to my Mum. Isn't that what happened with the Milibands?Socrates said:
They haven't evaded any tax, but they certainly avoided it.Alistair said:
They haven't avoided any taxTheWatcher said:
Ed M can criticise others for legal tax avoidance when the Miliband family cough up the Inheritance Tax they dodged on his father's estate . Until then, he just another hypocrite.TGOHF said:
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3h 3 hours agoAlistair said:I see it is Wednesday before the Scottish poling is released.
Pls retweet that my Scottish individual constituency poll will be released at 11am Wed at http://lordashcroftpolls.com Register there to receive
Meanwhile the Telegraph is having a titter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
"Ed Miliband tells Boots boss who lives in Monaco: Pay your taxes"
I'm sure the Monaconian government will welcome this reminder to their citizen.
Ian Jack
It basically reduced the size of any IHT bill on 2nd death (his mother whenever) by reducing the assets that went via the surviving spouse. However after the tax changes in October 2008 this was no longer necessary due to spousal transfer of any unused IHT allowances. If her assets are sizable she can/could utilise the 7 year rule on gifts.
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Socrates and others - If you're going to talk about Ed Miliband's tax affairs we're going to insist on a link from a reputable site to back up your assertions.0
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/8039829/Red-Ed-Miliband-lives-in-1.6m-house-after-shrewd-property-moves.htmlPBModerator said:Socrates and others - If you're going to talk about Ed Miliband's tax affairs we're going to insist on a link from a reputable site to back up your assertions.
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No. He would have been required to sign the deed of variation himself. Indeed the only member of the family who cant be accused of having planned this is Ralph as he was dead at the time. Presumably, as a good socialist, he wouldnt have approved of all this in any case.SouthamObserver said:
His parents planned, not him.saddened said:
No, but he has planned for doing so once his mother dies. Which is sensible and perfectly legal, just hypocritical.SouthamObserver said:
So as his mother is still alive EdM has not avoided any tax at all.TCPoliticalBetting said:
"Marxist academic Ralph Miliband owned a house in Edis Street, Primrose Hill. At some point after he died in 1994, his widow and two sons signed a "deed of variation" to his will that gave Ed and David each a 20% share in the house, which meant that on their mother's death they would pay inheritance tax only on the remaining 60%."SouthamObserver said:
How has he avoided it? When my Dad died his share of the estate just passed to my Mum. Isn't that what happened with the Milibands?Socrates said:
They haven't evaded any tax, but they certainly avoided it.Alistair said:
They haven't avoided any taxTheWatcher said:
Ed M can criticise others for legal tax avoidance when the Miliband family cough up the Inheritance Tax they dodged on his father's estate . Until then, he just another hypocrite.TGOHF said:
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3h 3 hours agoAlistair said:I see it is Wednesday before the Scottish poling is released.
Pls retweet that my Scottish individual constituency poll will be released at 11am Wed at http://lordashcroftpolls.com Register there to receive
Meanwhile the Telegraph is having a titter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
"Ed Miliband tells Boots boss who lives in Monaco: Pay your taxes"
I'm sure the Monaconian government will welcome this reminder to their citizen.
Ian Jack
It basically reduced the size of any IHT bill on 2nd death (his mother whenever) by reducing the assets that went via the surviving spouse. However after the tax changes in October 2008 this was no longer necessary due to spousal transfer of any unused IHT allowances. If her assets are sizable she can/could utilise the 7 year rule on gifts.
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Even if that is the case, it is still a very flimsy case.Socrates said:
I never mentioned the letter of the law. I said something seemed to go against the spirit, but I don't know for certain.Neil said:
You are also suggesting that there was something against either the spirit or even the letter of the law in what they did. You seem to be basing this on rather intimate knowledge of their living arrangements at the relevant time which, frankly, I dont believe you really possess.Socrates said:
I'm not stating anything other than the truth that they listed their two flats as different primary residences, which is something admitted by the Labour party.Neil said:
And a serious accusation to be throwing around on someone else's blog as well.TCPoliticalBetting said:
CGT avoidance, potentially very serious. More explainable if one residence is in Doncaster (for him).Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.
All I know is that Ed Miliband sold a flat in December 2009 and didn't pay capital gains tax on it because he was listing it as his primary residence - a different primary residence to his then girlfriend. Given that she had been pregnant and gave birth to his first son nine months before this date, I have said it would be fun to hear Ed Miliband's take on all this in an interview.0 -
No, they didn't. It was a deed of variation signed after his father's death, so it was planned by him and the other signatories (his mother and brother).SouthamObserver said:
His parents planned, not him.saddened said:
No, but he has planned for doing so once his mother dies. Which is sensible and perfectly legal, just hypocritical.0 -
Their first child was born around spring 2009, while Ed sold up in December 2009. Presumably Justine was pregnant for about nine months before that too. So they started a family a fair time before selling up Ed's flat.SouthamObserver said:
Their first child was born in 2009, the year it looks like they moved in together. Is it that unusual for long-term couples to live in different residences before settling down together? I know a fair few people who have done it.Socrates said:
I'm not stating anything other than the truth that they listed their two flats as different primary residences, which is something admitted by the Labour party.Neil said:
And a serious accusation to be throwing around on someone else's blog as well.TCPoliticalBetting said:
CGT avoidance, potentially very serious. More explainable if one residence is in Doncaster (for him).Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.0 -
I wonder what the lowest matched BF trade for NOM will be before May 7th?
It can't possibly go under 1.2, can it?0 -
66 year-old female Tory treasurer from Bolton faces jail for stealing £131k:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11383739/Tory-treasurer-siphons-off-131K-from-Dunscar-Conservative-Club.html0 -
"As he is not married to his girlfriend, he is also eligible for a lucrative tax perk if he chooses to sell a house in the future."Socrates said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/8039829/Red-Ed-Miliband-lives-in-1.6m-house-after-shrewd-property-moves.htmlPBModerator said:Socrates and others - If you're going to talk about Ed Miliband's tax affairs we're going to insist on a link from a reputable site to back up your assertions.
Is that a government incentive to depress marriage rates?0 -
I do wish bookies would have a better system in place for long term bets
Can't view them with Bet365 or 888, William Hills system isn't the best either.
Ladbrokes for all their website's faults and Paddy Power are the best two by a mile.0 -
If it was your primary residence, and then you move out (and let it, for example) you get 36 months relief from CGT. So if Ed bought in 2000, moved in with Justine in 2006, and then sold in 2009, he's fine.Socrates said:
I never mentioned the letter of the law. I said something seemed to go against the spirit, but I don't know for certain.Neil said:
You are also suggesting that there was something against either the spirit or even the letter of the law in what they did. You seem to be basing this on rather intimate knowledge of their living arrangements at the relevant time which, frankly, I dont believe you really possess.Socrates said:
I'm not stating anything other than the truth that they listed their two flats as different primary residences, which is something admitted by the Labour party.Neil said:
And a serious accusation to be throwing around on someone else's blog as well.TCPoliticalBetting said:
CGT avoidance, potentially very serious. More explainable if one residence is in Doncaster (for him).Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.
All I know is that Ed Miliband sold a flat in December 2009 and didn't pay capital gains tax on it because he was listing it as his primary residence - a different primary residence to his then girlfriend. Given that she had been pregnant and gave birth to his first son nine months before this date, I have said it would be fun to hear Ed Miliband's take on all this in an interview.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/323679/hs283.pdf0 -
No idea, it may well do - but the polls could yet shift... in either direction the constituency odds point to 1.3 being too low but those themselves are probably too long for the odds on favourite in alot of them.Pong said:I wonder what the lowest matched BF trade for NOM will be before May 7th?
It can't possibly go under 1.2, can it?
The truth I suspect is somewhere in the middle.0 -
Yes. Legally, it is entirely consistent with Ed Miliband not living with the mother of his son while she was pregnant or during the first ~eight months of his life, which may be the case. Alternatively, the press may have reported the facts incorrectly. I'm sure Ed can clear it up for us.Speedy said:
Even if that is the case, it is still a very flimsy case.Socrates said:
I never mentioned the letter of the law. I said something seemed to go against the spirit, but I don't know for certain.Neil said:
You are also suggesting that there was something against either the spirit or even the letter of the law in what they did. You seem to be basing this on rather intimate knowledge of their living arrangements at the relevant time which, frankly, I dont believe you really possess.Socrates said:
I'm not stating anything other than the truth that they listed their two flats as different primary residences, which is something admitted by the Labour party.Neil said:
And a serious accusation to be throwing around on someone else's blog as well.TCPoliticalBetting said:
CGT avoidance, potentially very serious. More explainable if one residence is in Doncaster (for him).Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.
All I know is that Ed Miliband sold a flat in December 2009 and didn't pay capital gains tax on it because he was listing it as his primary residence - a different primary residence to his then girlfriend. Given that she had been pregnant and gave birth to his first son nine months before this date, I have said it would be fun to hear Ed Miliband's take on all this in an interview.0 -
It's hard to see how she can avoid a custodial sentence.AndyJS said:66 year-old female Tory treasurer from Bolton faces jail for stealing £131k:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11383739/Tory-treasurer-siphons-off-131K-from-Dunscar-Conservative-Club.html0 -
Well the local Tories won't have that money trouble anymore, for the marginal there in May.AndyJS said:66 year-old female Tory treasurer from Bolton faces jail for stealing £131k:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11383739/Tory-treasurer-siphons-off-131K-from-Dunscar-Conservative-Club.html0 -
Swap the name 'Miliband' for that of a Tory, and the myriad voices swarming out of the woodwork to defend the former for his family's 'tax planning' would be having a complete shit fit.0
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He bought it in 2006.Anorak said:
If it was your primary residence, and then you move out (and let it, for example) you get 36 months relief from CGT. So if Ed bought in 2000, moved in with Justine in 2006, and then sold in 2009, he's fine.Socrates said:
I never mentioned the letter of the law. I said something seemed to go against the spirit, but I don't know for certain.Neil said:
You are also suggesting that there was something against either the spirit or even the letter of the law in what they did. You seem to be basing this on rather intimate knowledge of their living arrangements at the relevant time which, frankly, I dont believe you really possess.Socrates said:
I'm not stating anything other than the truth that they listed their two flats as different primary residences, which is something admitted by the Labour party.Neil said:
And a serious accusation to be throwing around on someone else's blog as well.TCPoliticalBetting said:
CGT avoidance, potentially very serious. More explainable if one residence is in Doncaster (for him).Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.
All I know is that Ed Miliband sold a flat in December 2009 and didn't pay capital gains tax on it because he was listing it as his primary residence - a different primary residence to his then girlfriend. Given that she had been pregnant and gave birth to his first son nine months before this date, I have said it would be fun to hear Ed Miliband's take on all this in an interview.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/323679/hs283.pdf0 -
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 17m17 minutes ago Camberwell, London
Both Cam and Ed did very well. Ed looked more at ease, but he also had one significant slip-up, over Treasury/Harvard.
Ed did very well.
Nearly fell off my chair
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@Neil - How do you do it, skewering both the Ed Miliband defenders and attackersNeil said:
No. He would have been required to sign the deed of variation himself. Indeed the only member of the family who cant be accused of having planned this is Ralph as he was dead at the time. Presumably, as a good socialist, he wouldnt have approved of all this in any case.SouthamObserver said:
His parents planned, not him.saddened said:
No, but he has planned for doing so once his mother dies. Which is sensible and perfectly legal, just hypocritical.SouthamObserver said:
So as his mother is still alive EdM has not avoided any tax at all.TCPoliticalBetting said:
"Marxist academic Ralph Miliband owned a house in Edis Street, Primrose Hill. At some point after he died in 1994, his widow and two sons signed a "deed of variation" to his will that gave Ed and David each a 20% share in the house, which meant that on their mother's death they would pay inheritance tax only on the remaining 60%."SouthamObserver said:
How has he avoided it? When my Dad died his share of the estate just passed to my Mum. Isn't that what happened with the Milibands?Socrates said:
They haven't evaded any tax, but they certainly avoided it.Alistair said:
They haven't avoided any taxTheWatcher said:
Ed M can criticise others for legal tax avoidance when the Miliband family cough up the Inheritance Tax they dodged on his father's estate . Until then, he just another hypocrite.TGOHF said:
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3h 3 hours agoAlistair said:I see it is Wednesday before the Scottish poling is released.
Pls retweet that my Scottish individual constituency poll will be released at 11am Wed at http://lordashcroftpolls.com Register there to receive
Meanwhile the Telegraph is having a titter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
"Ed Miliband tells Boots boss who lives in Monaco: Pay your taxes"
I'm sure the Monaconian government will welcome this reminder to their citizen.
Ian Jack
It basically reduced the size of any IHT bill on 2nd death (his mother whenever) by reducing the assets that went via the surviving spouse. However after the tax changes in October 2008 this was no longer necessary due to spousal transfer of any unused IHT allowances. If her assets are sizable she can/could utilise the 7 year rule on gifts. ? 0 -
You're allowed to live away from the home for the first 12 months after buying it or the 18 months before selling it while still having it designated as a primary residence for CGT purposes. I'm struggling to see the case you think it would be fun to see Ed answer.Socrates said:
Their first child was born around spring 2009, while Ed sold up in December 2009. Presumably Justine was pregnant for about nine months before that too. So they started a family a fair time before selling up Ed's flat.0 -
It's great to watch the Luvvies on here squirming about tax avoidance/evasion - and all because Ed Miliband told an Italian living in Monaco he should pay tax in the UK!0
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I missed this yesterday. A WTF.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/01/2016-general-election-prediction
"a new electoral forecast by Prof Paul Whiteley at the University of Essex, co-director of the British Election Study from 2001 to 2012. Whiteley’s forecast, based on mathematical modelling, focuses on what happened to seats in previous election rather than the overall share of the vote and is based on a model developed while the British Election Study was based at Essex. ...The new forecast for the 2015 election released to the Guardian shows Labour on 291 seats, the Conservatives 281, the Lib Dems 48 and others 30."
LD incumbency keeps losses to 9? They have 11 changes already.
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And when do your spies say they moved in together?Socrates said:
He bought it in 2006.Anorak said:
If it was your primary residence, and then you move out (and let it, for example) you get 36 months relief from CGT. So if Ed bought in 2000, moved in with Justine in 2006, and then sold in 2009, he's fine.Socrates said:
I never mentioned the letter of the law. I said something seemed to go against the spirit, but I don't know for certain.Neil said:
You are also suggesting that there was something against either the spirit or even the letter of the law in what they did. You seem to be basing this on rather intimate knowledge of their living arrangements at the relevant time which, frankly, I dont believe you really possess.Socrates said:
I'm not stating anything other than the truth that they listed their two flats as different primary residences, which is something admitted by the Labour party.Neil said:
And a serious accusation to be throwing around on someone else's blog as well.TCPoliticalBetting said:
CGT avoidance, potentially very serious. More explainable if one residence is in Doncaster (for him).Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.
All I know is that Ed Miliband sold a flat in December 2009 and didn't pay capital gains tax on it because he was listing it as his primary residence - a different primary residence to his then girlfriend. Given that she had been pregnant and gave birth to his first son nine months before this date, I have said it would be fun to hear Ed Miliband's take on all this in an interview.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/323679/hs283.pdf
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Anyone who does not legally avoid paying tax is a fool..
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They won't get any of it back, I've been involved in this position in a professional capacity before - chances of her having "spent" it all, 100% imo.Speedy said:
Well the local Tories won't have that money trouble anymore, for the marginal there in May.AndyJS said:66 year-old female Tory treasurer from Bolton faces jail for stealing £131k:
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Then if he lived there for a week at the start, he has no CGT liability. Non story (sadly).Socrates said:
He bought it in 2006.Anorak said:
If it was your primary residence, and then you move out (and let it, for example) you get 36 months relief from CGT. So if Ed bought in 2000, moved in with Justine in 2006, and then sold in 2009, he's fine.Socrates said:
I never mentioned the letter of the law. I said something seemed to go against the spirit, but I don't know for certain.Neil said:
You are also suggesting that there was something against either the spirit or even the letter of the law in what they did. You seem to be basing this on rather intimate knowledge of their living arrangements at the relevant time which, frankly, I dont believe you really possess.Socrates said:
I'm not stating anything other than the truth that they listed their two flats as different primary residences, which is something admitted by the Labour party.Neil said:
And a serious accusation to be throwing around on someone else's blog as well.TCPoliticalBetting said:
CGT avoidance, potentially very serious. More explainable if one residence is in Doncaster (for him).Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.
All I know is that Ed Miliband sold a flat in December 2009 and didn't pay capital gains tax on it because he was listing it as his primary residence - a different primary residence to his then girlfriend. Given that she had been pregnant and gave birth to his first son nine months before this date, I have said it would be fun to hear Ed Miliband's take on all this in an interview.
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When did he say that?felix said:It's great to watch the Luvvies on here squirming about tax avoidance/evasion - and all because Ed Miliband told an Italian living in Monaco he should pay tax in the UK!
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"Socrates and others - If you're going to talk about Ed Miliband's tax affairs we're going to insist on a link from a reputable site to back up your assertions."
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Ashcroft serves up a Thai.0
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Ashcroft poll - level pegging.0
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Seems Socrates hasn't talked about Muslims and/or immigrants all day!0
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Thought this article might be interesting, but Kellner doesn't know his subject. Anyone who has a passing knowledge of the tabloid press stories on immigration for the past couple of decades will know about the Albanian connection to Kosovo, and the stories there have been in the tabloid press about Albanians allegedly posing as Kosovars to enter the country as refugees.
Also notable that Kellner mentions "...clear majorities are happy for people in four significant categories to continue coming to Britain in either the same or greater numbers than today." without mentioning at all the opposition to immigration from the other three groups in his poll, notably including refugees.0 -
Mr Miliband added: “So Mr Pessina, who’s being trying to lecture us about what we should be doing in this country – frankly I think he should be paying his taxes.”SouthamObserver said:
When did he say that?felix said:It's great to watch the Luvvies on here squirming about tax avoidance/evasion - and all because Ed Miliband told an Italian living in Monaco he should pay tax in the UK!
Daily Telegraph today.0 -
Just so everyone knows, if anyone wishes to "buy" the LibDems at the forecast of Prof Whitely, I am happy to take the other side of the trade.TCPoliticalBetting said:I missed this yesterday. A WTF.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/01/2016-general-election-prediction
"a new electoral forecast by Prof Paul Whiteley at the University of Essex, co-director of the British Election Study from 2001 to 2012. Whiteley’s forecast, based on mathematical modelling, focuses on what happened to seats in previous election rather than the overall share of the vote and is based on a model developed while the British Election Study was based at Essex. ...The new forecast for the 2015 election released to the Guardian shows Labour on 291 seats, the Conservatives 281, the Lib Dems 48 and others 30."
LD incumbency keeps losses to 9? They have 11 changes already.0 -
I dont think he did do you?felix said:It's great to watch the Luvvies on here squirming about tax avoidance/evasion - and all because Ed Miliband told an Italian living in Monaco he should pay tax in the UK!
He was referring to Boots not the Billionaire from Monaco who says he was misquoted, wasn't he?0 -
So if you buy a place, live somewhere else for twelve month, live it in for a month, and then live somewhere else for 18 months, you can list it as a primary residence for the entire time? That doesn't seem right.Neil said:
You're allowed to live away from the home for the first 12 months after buying it or the 18 months before selling it while still having it designated as a primary residence for CGT purposes. I'm struggling to see the case you think it would be fun to see Ed answer.Socrates said:
Their first child was born around spring 2009, while Ed sold up in December 2009. Presumably Justine was pregnant for about nine months before that too. So they started a family a fair time before selling up Ed's flat.0 -
It is highly likely that this year one of the UK's major civil engineering companies will be bought by the Chinese.
It would be very interesting to see EdM enforce payment of either Corporation tax or any tax on fees, salary and benefits received by a member of the Chinese board, sat in Beijing or Shanghai.0 -
Spin away.bigjohnowls said:
I dont think he did do you?felix said:It's great to watch the Luvvies on here squirming about tax avoidance/evasion - and all because Ed Miliband told an Italian living in Monaco he should pay tax in the UK!
He was referring to Boots not the Billionaire from Monaco who says he was misquoted, wasn't he?
'The boss of High Street retailer Boots "ought to pay his taxes" rather than "trying to lecture us about what we should be doing in this country", Labour leader Ed Miliband has said.'
and
"It turns out that the chairman of Boots lives in Monaco and is actually avoiding his taxes," he said.
bonus quote
"I don't think people in Britain are going to take kindly to being lectured by someone who is avoiding his taxes on how they should be voting in the UK general election."
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Canada is signing a EU comprehensive trade agreement - which includes products standards amongst many other things like greater movement of Labour. 'Agreements' with other countries would involve much more than tariffs and standards. These things go very deep the structure of an economy.john_zims said:@Socrates
'I also disagree on EU product type-approvals. That's true for UK exports to Europe, but we probably wouldn't want our products to have to meet EU standards for export to Canada and the US, for example.'
Instead of using EU standards that are universally approved & used by numerous countries around the world you would prefer to get approval on a country by country basis?
Assume you have no connection with business.0 -
Sorry I see you were right. EIC should have gone on the Corporate tax avoidance IMObigjohnowls said:
I dont think he did do you?felix said:It's great to watch the Luvvies on here squirming about tax avoidance/evasion - and all because Ed Miliband told an Italian living in Monaco he should pay tax in the UK!
He was referring to Boots not the Billionaire from Monaco who says he was misquoted, wasn't he?
Still dont think siding with Billionaire Tax Avoiders is a vote winner for the Tories do you?0 -
See my next post I was wrong but still vote winner for Lab rather than the party that will defend Boots AND its Billionaire tax avoider methinksTheWatcher said:
Spin away.bigjohnowls said:
I dont think he did do you?felix said:It's great to watch the Luvvies on here squirming about tax avoidance/evasion - and all because Ed Miliband told an Italian living in Monaco he should pay tax in the UK!
He was referring to Boots not the Billionaire from Monaco who says he was misquoted, wasn't he?
'The boss of High Street retailer Boots "ought to pay his taxes" rather than "trying to lecture us about what we should be doing in this country", Labour leader Ed Miliband has said.'
and
"It turns out that the chairman of Boots lives in Monaco and is actually avoiding his taxes," he said.
bonus quote
"I don't think people in Britain are going to take kindly to being lectured by someone who is avoiding his taxes on how they should be voting in the UK general election."
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The Tories are busy extracting tax from all the people Labour could not be bothered with. £7.2 billion from £43000 people. What must be doubly annoying is that all the people who made money out of helping people avoid paying tax under labour probably avoided paying tax themselves on their ill gotten gains.bigjohnowls said:
Sorry I see you were right. EIC should have gone on the Corporate tax avoidance IMObigjohnowls said:
I dont think he did do you?felix said:It's great to watch the Luvvies on here squirming about tax avoidance/evasion - and all because Ed Miliband told an Italian living in Monaco he should pay tax in the UK!
He was referring to Boots not the Billionaire from Monaco who says he was misquoted, wasn't he?
Still dont think siding with Billionaire Tax Avoiders is a vote winner for the Tories do you?
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It would surprise me. I thought interns did it for nothing.Pulpstar said:
Could get picked up now it's been mentioned on this thread - it wouldn't surprise me if CCHQ have some teenagers employed on £6.50 an hour paid to trawl through social media all day.Socrates said:
I wonder if it'll get brought up in the election campaign. It'd be fun to see Ed Miliband defend listing two places as primary residences and claiming him and the mother of his children weren't living together.Pulpstar said:
Yes, that does indeed sound dubious at first look.Socrates said:The other thing Ed did was for him and his girlfriend, in a serious long term relationship with children, to list different houses as "primary residences", and thus avoid capital gains tax on two properties. Given they were almost certainly living together at this time, this seems to go against the spirit of the taxation system, and I have more issue with it than I do with the IHT avoidance.
However, journalists aren't always great at keeping their eye on the ball and have focused on the IHT issue, which is far more defensible.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2486893/Labour-MPs-hypocrisy-interns-Chuka-Umunna-employed-unpaid-staff-campaigning-fairer-salaries.html
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What taxes do you claim he is avoiding as a resident of Monaco?bigjohnowls said:
See my next post I was wrong but still vote winner for Lab rather than the party that will defend Boots AND its Billionaire tax avoider methinksTheWatcher said:
Spin away.bigjohnowls said:
I dont think he did do you?felix said:It's great to watch the Luvvies on here squirming about tax avoidance/evasion - and all because Ed Miliband told an Italian living in Monaco he should pay tax in the UK!
He was referring to Boots not the Billionaire from Monaco who says he was misquoted, wasn't he?
'The boss of High Street retailer Boots "ought to pay his taxes" rather than "trying to lecture us about what we should be doing in this country", Labour leader Ed Miliband has said.'
and
"It turns out that the chairman of Boots lives in Monaco and is actually avoiding his taxes," he said.
bonus quote
"I don't think people in Britain are going to take kindly to being lectured by someone who is avoiding his taxes on how they should be voting in the UK general election."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-310896630 -
Is that because it reminds you of the fact you are a tax avoider?Roger said:Moderator
"Socrates and others - If you're going to talk about Ed Miliband's tax affairs we're going to insist on a link from a reputable site to back up your assertions."
I think I find Socrates less tawdry when he follows his paedophile obsessions but it's a close run thing0
