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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,227
    Dopermean said:

    ‘Everyone involved needs a slap’: The WhatsApps exposing chaos inside Corbyn’s Your Party

    Messages from activists for the new Left-wing group show them in despair over the fresh in-fighting


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/25/jeremy-corbyns-your-party-whatsapp-messages-activists/

    I think even the naughty step is considered too brutal now.
    10 minutes reflection time before home time for all involved
    "There's a once in god knows how many generations chance for a real breakthrough of a proper Left party in this country"
    "Great. Let's make sure we fuck this up with in-fighting shall we?"
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,826
    Nigelb said:

    In 2016 Geoffrey Hinton said “we should stop training radiologists now" since AI would soon be better at their jobs.

    He was right: models have outperformed radiologists on benchmarks for ~a decade.

    Yet radiology jobs are at record highs, with an average salary of $520k.

    https://x.com/deenamousa/status/1971211372190106029

    I wonder how long this will last.

    Good article here about how radiologists aren't likely to get replaced by AI any time soon.
    https://worksinprogress.co/issue/the-algorithm-will-see-you-now/
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,432
    I think Starmer is massively underestimating the kickback on this.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,227

    Burgon says he'll vote against ID card legislation.

    Straw in the wind or will this be confined to the usual suspects on backbenches?

    Labour MPs have traditionally shown little concern for civil liberties etc on stuff like this so I expect it’ll be waved through.
    Let's go straight over live to the two Deputy Dog candidates and see if we can find a wedge...
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,432
    edited September 25

    Sir Keir is certainly playing high-risk politics with his ID cards. However, it could well split the Reform coalition asunder, which I'm sure is Sir Keir's devious intention.

    The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public.
    Only because most don't know which way is up.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,227
    Andy_JS said:

    One wonders what Corbyn's position is on ID cards.

    No one in Gaza should be asked to produce one at any checkpoints?
  • Stocky said:

    Sir Keir is certainly playing high-risk politics with his ID cards. However, it could well split the Reform coalition asunder, which I'm sure is Sir Keir's devious intention.

    The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public.
    Only because most don't know which way is up.
    Yes, as Brexit proved.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,227
    edited September 25
    Stocky said:

    On ID cards, from one of the few charities I support:

    https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/no2digitalid/

    They should also add that universal digital ID is handing a future authoritarian/fascist government a mighty handy tool.

    This is the reason I am still unconvinced, especially given the current direction of travel of western democracies.

    I was implacably opposed to ID when Blair was around for the reasons given in that piece.*

    Not to do a Leon and start name dropping but I once interviewed Richard Stallman about the plans for a very minor publication many moons ago.


    * Edit: Indeed, I may still have a "No ID' t-shirt from the time in a box under the eaves somewhere.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,006
    edited September 25
    Today is the eighteenth anniversary of this article being published.

    We cannot be killed

    'Shortly there will be an election, in which Labour will increase its majority'


    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2007/09/labour-majority-increase

    Narrator: There was no election in 2007 and Labour didn't win an election for another seventeen years.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,020

    Survation Holyrood Constituency vote
    SNP 37
    Labour 20
    Reform 18
    Con 11
    LD 7
    Green 5
    Alba 1

    List vote
    SNP 31
    Lab 18
    Reform 15
    Con 13
    LD 11
    Green 8
    Alba 2

    SNP almost knocking on an outright majority. Impossible as it is for much of PB to comprehend they’ve had a good few weeks if you ignore BBC Scotland headlines.
    Will Your Party get their act together before next May? I think not but if they did and came out with an indy curious offer they might do okay, ie a seat or two. Lot of ifs there of course.
    Are they not about to get a second hand kicking re trans when Sandie Peggie wins bigly in her claim against Fife NHS (and indirectly the Scottish Governments ludicrous Trans policies)?
    No idea, I leave that stuff to the toilet monitors.
    I wonder if @turbotubbs is expecting to be one of the "Are you female?" toilet inspectors? ;)
    I'm not expecting any toilet inspectors. I am hoping that women will be allowed single sex spaces away from ALL men, including those who believe that they are women, and those who fantasize that they are women. Including those with all male genitalia, currently trying to impregnate their girlfriend and expecting women to change alongside them (see Durham).

    If you don't believe in the right of women to have single sex spaces then you don't believe in women's rights.
    Really? There are a lot of pro-trans feminists who you think don't believe in women's rights, then.

    Let me ask a question: why should someone who has been through full gender transition for decades, and has been using women's facilities for those decades, now have to use male, or disabled if available, facilities? What has changed?
    The law has been clarified. Men CANNOT become women by surgery, by fairy dust, by will power.

    I have every sympathy for transwomen. And they have the same rights as everyone else, but just as they cannot become a horse they cannot become a woman.
    You don't show much sympathy.
    But he speaks the truth
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,663

    Dopermean said:

    ‘Everyone involved needs a slap’: The WhatsApps exposing chaos inside Corbyn’s Your Party

    Messages from activists for the new Left-wing group show them in despair over the fresh in-fighting


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/25/jeremy-corbyns-your-party-whatsapp-messages-activists/

    I think even the naughty step is considered too brutal now.
    10 minutes reflection time before home time for all involved
    "There's a once in god knows how many generations chance for a real breakthrough of a proper Left party in this country"
    "Great. Let's make sure we fuck this up with in-fighting shall we?"
    There may well be but it would include almost none of the people currently involved in Your Party.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,227

    Today is the eighteenth anniversary of this article being published.

    We cannot be killed

    'Shortly there will be an election, in which Labour will increase its majority'


    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2007/09/labour-majority-increase

    Narrator: There was no election in 2007 and Labour didn't win an election for another seventeen years.

    Wasn't he the future once?
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,775

    Stocky said:

    On ID cards, from one of the few charities I support:

    https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/no2digitalid/

    They should also add that universal digital ID is handing a future authoritarian/fascist government a mighty handy tool.

    This is the reason I am still unconvinced, especially given the current direction of travel of western democracies.

    I was implacably opposed to ID when Blair was around for the reasons given in that piece.*

    Not to do a Leon and start name dropping but I once interviewed Richard Stallman about the plans for a very minor publication many moons ago.


    * Edit: Indeed, I may still have a "No ID' t-shirt from the time in a box under the eaves somewhere.
    Did you take a parrot?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,227
    Stocky said:

    Sir Keir is certainly playing high-risk politics with his ID cards. However, it could well split the Reform coalition asunder, which I'm sure is Sir Keir's devious intention.

    The thing is ID cards are very popular with the public.
    Only because most don't know which way is up.
    To be fair I think it is more that the argument 'there's loads of people on the make/scamming/working illegally etc and HERE IS A TOOL TO STOP THEM' is the argument they are buying.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,844
    Bit desperate.

    "Burnham would be Labour’s Liz Truss, say Starmer allies"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/25/andy-burnham-labour-liz-truss-starmer-allies/
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,020

    Survation Holyrood Constituency vote
    SNP 37
    Labour 20
    Reform 18
    Con 11
    LD 7
    Green 5
    Alba 1

    List vote
    SNP 31
    Lab 18
    Reform 15
    Con 13
    LD 11
    Green 8
    Alba 2

    SNP almost knocking on an outright majority. Impossible as it is for much of PB to comprehend they’ve had a good few weeks if you ignore BBC Scotland headlines.
    Will Your Party get their act together before next May? I think not but if they did and came out with an indy curious offer they might do okay, ie a seat or two. Lot of ifs there of course.
    Are they not about to get a second hand kicking re trans when Sandie Peggie wins bigly in her claim against Fife NHS (and indirectly the Scottish Governments ludicrous Trans policies)?
    No idea, I leave that stuff to the toilet monitors.
    I wonder if @turbotubbs is expecting to be one of the "Are you female?" toilet inspectors? ;)
    I'm not expecting any toilet inspectors. I am hoping that women will be allowed single sex spaces away from ALL men, including those who believe that they are women, and those who fantasize that they are women. Including those with all male genitalia, currently trying to impregnate their girlfriend and expecting women to change alongside them (see Durham).

    If you don't believe in the right of women to have single sex spaces then you don't believe in women's rights.
    Really? There are a lot of pro-trans feminists who you think don't believe in women's rights, then.

    Let me ask a question: why should someone who has been through full gender transition for decades, and has been using women's facilities for those decades, now have to use male, or disabled if available, facilities? What has changed?
    The law has been clarified. Men CANNOT become women by surgery, by fairy dust, by will power.

    I have every sympathy for transwomen. And they have the same rights as everyone else, but just as they cannot become a horse they cannot become a woman.
    Hang on a sec, that's not what the court said. They said that, for the purposes of the Equality Act, a person could not change their sex. But the Equality Act also states that a person should not be discriminated against on the basis of their transgender identity.

    So it's not as simple as saying that, "trans women are men," just as it was never as simple as saying that, "trans women are women."
    Bollox
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,844
    "@GBPolitcs

    🚨NEW: Jeremy Corbyn:

    "I firmly oppose the government’s plans for compulsory digital ID cards""

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1971248734949556452
  • Sean_F said:

    Meanwhile, in the Irish Presidential election campaign...

    Every nation has its idiots.
    It does but on the other hand, it has been conventional wisdom since the end of the war that Germany should not rearm. Our Irish friend might not have noticed the shift in the zeitgeist.
    Completely wrong.

    West Germany rearmed in the late 1950s. As did East Germany.

    Until the early 90s the West German military (and then a united Germany) had a vast tank park and the largest airforce in Europe.

    This is why Germany has a vast store of slightly rusty Leopard tanks to send to Ukraine.

    This armament included the American policy of “lending” them nuclear weapons.

    Which led to the following fun interaction -

    In the late 50s and early 60s, West German fighter bombers stood alert with American nuclear weapons slung under their wings, sat on the ground.

    One of the American officers in charge of the weapons got talking to a pilot. Who he noticed was wearing an Iron Cross. Turned out that the German pilot had quite possibly shot the American down, during WWII - been in the same air battle, anyway.
    It should be obvious I did not mean the Germans had no soldiers at all but of course they did have legal and constitutional limits designed to stop their armed forces being large enough to invade Luxembourg (that have only recently been lifted), as you are no doubt aware.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,315
    Any relationship between Davey's conference vote on changing opposition to ID cards and today's announcement from the governement, do we reckon? In no direction, either direction, or both?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    Stocky said:

    I think Starmer is massively underestimating the kickback on this.

    Hes prodding the people who just wanted to be left alone.
    🍿
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,164
    Stocky said:

    I think Starmer is massively underestimating the kickback on this.

    Plausibly. If Farage comes out against and makes it into a “nasty government trampling on the rights of the British people when they just need to get on with deporting X, Y, Z” I think that will generate enough heat from the populist right. Whether that feeds into wider public perception, jury is out I think.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,027
    Andy_JS said:

    "@GBPolitcs

    🚨NEW: Jeremy Corbyn:

    "I firmly oppose the government’s plans for compulsory digital ID cards""

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1971248734949556452

    Nailed on as highly sensible then.

    I don't like Corbyn at all, and I have little time for the left. However if Tony Benn had said he was firmly opposed (I think he may well have said such a thing) then I'd have been really interested as to his thoughts. Politics is becoming poorer.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,164
    carnforth said:

    Any relationship between Davey's conference vote on changing opposition to ID cards and today's announcement from the governement, do we reckon? In no direction, either direction, or both?

    Absolutely shameful that a liberal party could get behind this IMHO.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636

    carnforth said:

    Any relationship between Davey's conference vote on changing opposition to ID cards and today's announcement from the governement, do we reckon? In no direction, either direction, or both?

    Absolutely shameful that a liberal party could get behind this IMHO.
    They haven't been a liberal party since the merger
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,844
    edited September 25
    If Corbyn is anti-ID cards can we assume Sultana is in favour?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,543
    rkrkrk said:

    Nigelb said:

    In 2016 Geoffrey Hinton said “we should stop training radiologists now" since AI would soon be better at their jobs.

    He was right: models have outperformed radiologists on benchmarks for ~a decade.

    Yet radiology jobs are at record highs, with an average salary of $520k.

    https://x.com/deenamousa/status/1971211372190106029

    I wonder how long this will last.

    Good article here about how radiologists aren't likely to get replaced by AI any time soon.
    https://worksinprogress.co/issue/the-algorithm-will-see-you-now/
    That is a brilliant article, whose applicability and lessons stretch far beyond the medical environment.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,446
    Beneath the headline majority support for ID cards this drops significantly especially in people over 55 if it’s a digital ID .

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    nico67 said:

    Beneath the headline majority support for ID cards this drops significantly especially in people over 55 if it’s a digital ID .

    I don't expect the government will provide phones and data plans, so anyone with no smartphone is buggered for a wodge of cash and at least 60 quid a year.
    ID tax
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,192

    carnforth said:

    Any relationship between Davey's conference vote on changing opposition to ID cards and today's announcement from the governement, do we reckon? In no direction, either direction, or both?

    Absolutely shameful that a liberal party could get behind this IMHO.
    According to Luke Tryl it's 54 to 18% in favour. What's more two of the main Parties big thinkers Tony Blair and William Hague are supporters so that's good enough for me
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,027

    nico67 said:

    Beneath the headline majority support for ID cards this drops significantly especially in people over 55 if it’s a digital ID .

    I don't expect the government will provide phones and data plans, so anyone with no smartphone is buggered for a wodge of cash and at least 60 quid a year.
    ID tax
    They could easily come up with some sort of passive solution for those that didn't want to use their phone akin to a bankcard.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,543
    Roger said:

    carnforth said:

    Any relationship between Davey's conference vote on changing opposition to ID cards and today's announcement from the governement, do we reckon? In no direction, either direction, or both?

    Absolutely shameful that a liberal party could get behind this IMHO.
    According to Luke Tryl it's 54 to 18% in favour. What's more two of the main Parties big thinkers Tony Blair and William Hague are supporters so that's good enough for me
    The devil will be in the detail. But IMO it's very difficult, of not impossible, to alter the detail so that it is beneficial to the public and individuals. And very easy to have the details to be far from benficial.

    Do you trust this government - any government - to get the details right?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,446

    nico67 said:

    Beneath the headline majority support for ID cards this drops significantly especially in people over 55 if it’s a digital ID .

    I don't expect the government will provide phones and data plans, so anyone with no smartphone is buggered for a wodge of cash and at least 60 quid a year.
    ID tax
    I don’t see why they just don’t give people a choice of either digital or card or both.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,844
    On topic, the tactical voting against Reform reduced their number of seats from 368 to 301.

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/pseph_tactical_2025.html
  • nico67 said:

    Beneath the headline majority support for ID cards this drops significantly especially in people over 55 if it’s a digital ID .

    I don't expect the government will provide phones and data plans, so anyone with no smartphone is buggered for a wodge of cash and at least 60 quid a year.
    ID tax
    or they do what happens in the rest of the world and they are given a chip and pin card as a digital ID, either for nothing or it's provided for free.

    Amazing how much of the planet have been down this route and yet they managed to deliver it without all these horrors to their populations !!!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,844
    carnforth said:

    Any relationship between Davey's conference vote on changing opposition to ID cards and today's announcement from the governement, do we reckon? In no direction, either direction, or both?

    Be interesting to see how many LD MPs refuse to go along with Davey on ID cards.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,061
    On topic, I'd quite like to see a Lab-Con coalition to keep Reform out.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,192

    Andy_JS said:

    Bit desperate.

    "Burnham would be Labour’s Liz Truss, say Starmer allies"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/25/andy-burnham-labour-liz-truss-starmer-allies/

    The full gag is better:

    “A Blairite, a Brownite, a Milibandite, a Corbynite and a Trussite walk into a pub. 'Hello, Mr Burnham,' says the barman.”
    You had it right earlier. If Bernham was worth considering he wouldn't have given the story to the Telegraph. His ambition and lack of judgement has possibly even screwed things up for Lucy Powell
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,025

    carnforth said:

    Any relationship between Davey's conference vote on changing opposition to ID cards and today's announcement from the governement, do we reckon? In no direction, either direction, or both?

    Absolutely shameful that a liberal party could get behind this IMHO.
    It is indeed, and I have only just rejoined. I’ve dropped them a note saying that I will be resigning again if they don’t oppose Labour’s plans.
  • bobbobbobbob Posts: 110
    All TRUE brits need to stand up and say NO to the Starmer card
  • Has Starmer misread the room again and all because his obsession with Farage ?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,636
    edited September 25
    Kemi against the proposal but not the principle necessarily. Calls for a proper national debate on cards and avoidance of burdens on law abiding citizens
    Bit half arsed
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,116
    edited September 25

    Has Starmer misread the room again and all because his obsession with Farage ?

    Yes he has, but no to the Farage connection. ID cards is a Blair obsession, possibly via [edit: Mandelson]. You can see it might appeal to a technocratic lawyer with the political judgement of an autopen.
  • I now have a picture I will use more than that Farage photo in PB headers.



    Safe pair of hands... Scottish Secretary @D_G_Alexander poses next to a gasholder in Edinburgh to promote UK Govt regeneration funding

    https://x.com/DMScotPol/status/1971258989087432955/photo/1
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,543
    You know hoe Trump castiagted Europe this week for buying Russian oil and gas?

    Well, guess what?

    "US Energy Secretary stated that the US must continue purchasing enriched uranium from Russia due to a lack of domestic capacity."

    https://x.com/UkrReview/status/1971261710477689140
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,315
    How do ID cards help with illegal working if you can't demand they be carried when at work?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,027

    Sky announcement

    Lib Dems oppose ID cards

    Is this actually true, or have Sky just assumed that the LDs will face plant at all and every opportunity?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,496

    Kemi against the proposal but not the principle necessarily. Calls for a proper national debate on cards and avoidance of burdens on law abiding citizens
    Bit half arsed

    Yeah, I can see why you say that but it does rather reflect where I am. I am not sure about ID cards but frankly I carry around my driving licence, my AD ID card, credit cards, my membership of the Faculty of Advocates and, perhaps most importantly, my Costa benefits card. I am struggling to get too excited about another piece of plastic, especially one that does not give me a free coffee from time to time.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,538

    Stocky said:

    On ID cards, from one of the few charities I support:

    https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/no2digitalid/

    They should also add that universal digital ID is handing a future authoritarian/fascist government a mighty handy tool.

    This is the reason I am still unconvinced, especially given the current direction of travel of western democracies.

    I was implacably opposed to ID when Blair was around for the reasons given in that piece.*

    Not to do a Leon and start name dropping but I once interviewed Richard Stallman about the plans for a very minor publication many moons ago.


    * Edit: Indeed, I may still have a "No ID' t-shirt from the time in a box under the eaves somewhere.
    Creating Digital ID and the inevitable giant database just in time for Farage and his band of racist nutters is typical Starmer foresight.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,996
    The British public is against everything
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,027
    glw said:

    Stocky said:

    On ID cards, from one of the few charities I support:

    https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/no2digitalid/

    They should also add that universal digital ID is handing a future authoritarian/fascist government a mighty handy tool.

    This is the reason I am still unconvinced, especially given the current direction of travel of western democracies.

    I was implacably opposed to ID when Blair was around for the reasons given in that piece.*

    Not to do a Leon and start name dropping but I once interviewed Richard Stallman about the plans for a very minor publication many moons ago.


    * Edit: Indeed, I may still have a "No ID' t-shirt from the time in a box under the eaves somewhere.
    Creating Digital ID and the inevitable giant database just in time for Farage and his band of racist nutters is typical Starmer foresight.
    It'll be a tiny, tiny database. Real databases are really big.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,446

    Has Starmer misread the room again and all because his obsession with Farage ?

    If anything this will help Reform . ID cards remain very divisive and I don’t see much electoral gain and a lot of possible pain for Labour .

    I have an ID card from Cyprus because my parents were born there and have no issue with using one . Will Brits accept that they have to give finger prints ? I had to in Cyprus .
  • They haven't even sorted out the E-visa system yet!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,717
    Roger said:

    It would be a fair criticism of me that I get a lot of my opinions from The Spectator, because it's really the one bit of the media I read the most. And I think the first thing I read about a topic, if it reads convincingly, usually becomes my opinion till something else comes along.

    So I am now officially against Northern Powerhouse Rail. I was all for it, till I read this fairly damning account of it, which is basically that it's not going to do anything for the North, because it's basically more of the HS2 project, just gussied up by Obsborne to look like his own genius levelling up scheme.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/its-time-to-admit-that-high-speed-rail-is-a-dead-end/

    Osborne did that a lot. The OBR for example was meant to be a great way to ensure Tory style fiscal rectitude, but it wasn't - it was actually a quango designed to ready us for monetary union. Northern Powerhouse Rail sounds brilliant, but it turns out:

    Called Northern Powerhouse Rail, this section alone will cost a claimed £17 billion (in reality, perhaps £30 billion). It will be a high-speed railway on which trains can never reach high speeds, because the stations are too close together. It will leave Manchester via a vastly expensive new eight-mile tunnel in the wrong direction – roughly south, only then turning west towards Liverpool, hence the longer journey time. The official reason for doing it like this is to serve Manchester Airport. But the ‘airport’ station would be almost a mile away from the airport. You’d have to transfer by bus.

    So until another, better take comes along, I'm adopting Gilligan's view that NPR is shite and we should do a Queen Elizabeth line for Northern England instead. We're out of the EU now, we can do what the populace actually needs, not continue with their ludicrous grand projets and have to pretend they're working for people.
    I'm surprised that's the criticism you think is the fairest. That you are a nasty racist piece of shit roughly on a par with the 'white baby' chancer would be my take. Maybe you havre to be of a particular mindset to both to read or write for that publication?
    Is gratuitous, vulgar, foul-mouthed abuse of other posters now AOK again? I thought we were warned off that, coz it got a bit heated

    But if pin-head, potty mouthed tragic retired tampon ad exec @Roger is allowed to say all this, then I presume it is OK for the rest of us?

    I do hope so, because I LOVE handing out this stuff, particularly to a worthless shit stain of a human like, ooh, @Roger
  • I now have a picture I will use more than that Farage photo in PB headers.



    Safe pair of hands... Scottish Secretary @D_G_Alexander poses next to a gasholder in Edinburgh to promote UK Govt regeneration funding

    https://x.com/DMScotPol/status/1971258989087432955/photo/1

    I assume ‘gash’ has the same meaning UK wide as it does round my bit.
    I believe quite a few of wee Duggie’s colleagues consider him a bit of a gash.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,800
    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    It would be a fair criticism of me that I get a lot of my opinions from The Spectator, because it's really the one bit of the media I read the most. And I think the first thing I read about a topic, if it reads convincingly, usually becomes my opinion till something else comes along.

    So I am now officially against Northern Powerhouse Rail. I was all for it, till I read this fairly damning account of it, which is basically that it's not going to do anything for the North, because it's basically more of the HS2 project, just gussied up by Obsborne to look like his own genius levelling up scheme.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/its-time-to-admit-that-high-speed-rail-is-a-dead-end/

    Osborne did that a lot. The OBR for example was meant to be a great way to ensure Tory style fiscal rectitude, but it wasn't - it was actually a quango designed to ready us for monetary union. Northern Powerhouse Rail sounds brilliant, but it turns out:

    Called Northern Powerhouse Rail, this section alone will cost a claimed £17 billion (in reality, perhaps £30 billion). It will be a high-speed railway on which trains can never reach high speeds, because the stations are too close together. It will leave Manchester via a vastly expensive new eight-mile tunnel in the wrong direction – roughly south, only then turning west towards Liverpool, hence the longer journey time. The official reason for doing it like this is to serve Manchester Airport. But the ‘airport’ station would be almost a mile away from the airport. You’d have to transfer by bus.

    So until another, better take comes along, I'm adopting Gilligan's view that NPR is shite and we should do a Queen Elizabeth line for Northern England instead. We're out of the EU now, we can do what the populace actually needs, not continue with their ludicrous grand projets and have to pretend they're working for people.
    I'm surprised that's the criticism you think is the fairest. That you are a nasty racist piece of shit roughly on a par with the 'white baby' chancer would be my take. Maybe you havre to be of a particular mindset to both to read or write for that publication?
    Is gratuitous, vulgar, foul-mouthed abuse of other posters now AOK again? I thought we were warned off that, coz it got a bit heated

    But if pin-head, potty mouthed tragic retired tampon ad exec @Roger is allowed to say all this, then I presume it is OK for the rest of us?

    I do hope so, because I LOVE handing out this stuff, particularly to a worthless shit stain of a human like, ooh, @Roger
    Isn’t he famously wrong about everything though? @Luckyguy1983 should view it as a compliment.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,994
    edited September 25

    I now have a picture I will use more than that Farage photo in PB headers.



    Safe pair of hands... Scottish Secretary @D_G_Alexander poses next to a gasholder in Edinburgh to promote UK Govt regeneration funding

    https://x.com/DMScotPol/status/1971258989087432955/photo/1

    Heh. That bit of Edinburgh is undergoing a remarkable transformation though - a good example of housing density going into vacant industrial land.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,800
    carnforth said:

    How do ID cards help with illegal working if you can't demand they be carried when at work?

    By demonstrating a right to work when hired (assumedly also at the time the policy starts?). Had to go through that in the US.
  • I now have a picture I will use more than that Farage photo in PB headers.



    Safe pair of hands... Scottish Secretary @D_G_Alexander poses next to a gasholder in Edinburgh to promote UK Govt regeneration funding

    https://x.com/DMScotPol/status/1971258989087432955/photo/1

    I assume ‘gash’ has the same meaning UK wide as it does round my bit.
    I believe quite a few of wee Duggie’s colleagues consider him a bit of a gash.
    Yes.
  • Leon said:

    Roger said:

    It would be a fair criticism of me that I get a lot of my opinions from The Spectator, because it's really the one bit of the media I read the most. And I think the first thing I read about a topic, if it reads convincingly, usually becomes my opinion till something else comes along.

    So I am now officially against Northern Powerhouse Rail. I was all for it, till I read this fairly damning account of it, which is basically that it's not going to do anything for the North, because it's basically more of the HS2 project, just gussied up by Obsborne to look like his own genius levelling up scheme.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/its-time-to-admit-that-high-speed-rail-is-a-dead-end/

    Osborne did that a lot. The OBR for example was meant to be a great way to ensure Tory style fiscal rectitude, but it wasn't - it was actually a quango designed to ready us for monetary union. Northern Powerhouse Rail sounds brilliant, but it turns out:

    Called Northern Powerhouse Rail, this section alone will cost a claimed £17 billion (in reality, perhaps £30 billion). It will be a high-speed railway on which trains can never reach high speeds, because the stations are too close together. It will leave Manchester via a vastly expensive new eight-mile tunnel in the wrong direction – roughly south, only then turning west towards Liverpool, hence the longer journey time. The official reason for doing it like this is to serve Manchester Airport. But the ‘airport’ station would be almost a mile away from the airport. You’d have to transfer by bus.

    So until another, better take comes along, I'm adopting Gilligan's view that NPR is shite and we should do a Queen Elizabeth line for Northern England instead. We're out of the EU now, we can do what the populace actually needs, not continue with their ludicrous grand projets and have to pretend they're working for people.
    I'm surprised that's the criticism you think is the fairest. That you are a nasty racist piece of shit roughly on a par with the 'white baby' chancer would be my take. Maybe you havre to be of a particular mindset to both to read or write for that publication?
    Is gratuitous, vulgar, foul-mouthed abuse of other posters now AOK again? I thought we were warned off that, coz it got a bit heated

    But if pin-head, potty mouthed tragic retired tampon ad exec @Roger is allowed to say all this, then I presume it is OK for the rest of us?

    I do hope so, because I LOVE handing out this stuff, particularly to a worthless shit stain of a human like, ooh, @Roger
    No.

    Today is not a day to piss me off.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,800

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    It would be a fair criticism of me that I get a lot of my opinions from The Spectator, because it's really the one bit of the media I read the most. And I think the first thing I read about a topic, if it reads convincingly, usually becomes my opinion till something else comes along.

    So I am now officially against Northern Powerhouse Rail. I was all for it, till I read this fairly damning account of it, which is basically that it's not going to do anything for the North, because it's basically more of the HS2 project, just gussied up by Obsborne to look like his own genius levelling up scheme.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/its-time-to-admit-that-high-speed-rail-is-a-dead-end/

    Osborne did that a lot. The OBR for example was meant to be a great way to ensure Tory style fiscal rectitude, but it wasn't - it was actually a quango designed to ready us for monetary union. Northern Powerhouse Rail sounds brilliant, but it turns out:

    Called Northern Powerhouse Rail, this section alone will cost a claimed £17 billion (in reality, perhaps £30 billion). It will be a high-speed railway on which trains can never reach high speeds, because the stations are too close together. It will leave Manchester via a vastly expensive new eight-mile tunnel in the wrong direction – roughly south, only then turning west towards Liverpool, hence the longer journey time. The official reason for doing it like this is to serve Manchester Airport. But the ‘airport’ station would be almost a mile away from the airport. You’d have to transfer by bus.

    So until another, better take comes along, I'm adopting Gilligan's view that NPR is shite and we should do a Queen Elizabeth line for Northern England instead. We're out of the EU now, we can do what the populace actually needs, not continue with their ludicrous grand projets and have to pretend they're working for people.
    I'm surprised that's the criticism you think is the fairest. That you are a nasty racist piece of shit roughly on a par with the 'white baby' chancer would be my take. Maybe you havre to be of a particular mindset to both to read or write for that publication?
    Is gratuitous, vulgar, foul-mouthed abuse of other posters now AOK again? I thought we were warned off that, coz it got a bit heated

    But if pin-head, potty mouthed tragic retired tampon ad exec @Roger is allowed to say all this, then I presume it is OK for the rest of us?

    I do hope so, because I LOVE handing out this stuff, particularly to a worthless shit stain of a human like, ooh, @Roger
    No.

    Today is not a day to piss me off.
    You weren’t served pineapple pizza at lunch again, were you?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 26,032
    edited September 25
    What an absolutely pathetic joke that Labour aren't doing anything in their manifesto, such as getting homes built, but are going to introduce ID cards digital ID which was not in the manifesto.

    It will do absolutely Jack Shit to deal with those who pay cash in hand to those working illegally too, as existing laws are already breached for that.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,775
    RobD said:

    carnforth said:

    How do ID cards help with illegal working if you can't demand they be carried when at work?

    By demonstrating a right to work when hired (assumedly also at the time the policy starts?). Had to go through that in the US.
    Right to work checks were introduced under Major. Those who don't check now won't check once the e-cards arrive.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,315
    edited September 25
    RobD said:

    carnforth said:

    How do ID cards help with illegal working if you can't demand they be carried when at work?

    By demonstrating a right to work when hired (assumedly also at the time the policy starts?). Had to go through that in the US.
    But we have that already.

    https://www.gov.uk/prove-right-to-work
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,717
    edited September 25

    I now have a picture I will use more than that Farage photo in PB headers.



    Safe pair of hands... Scottish Secretary @D_G_Alexander poses next to a gasholder in Edinburgh to promote UK Govt regeneration funding

    https://x.com/DMScotPol/status/1971258989087432955/photo/1

    In the spirit of loving grace, a friend of mine - who knows an extraordinary number of important and talented people (it's her job, basically) went to a dinner party the other day where she was plonked next to Douglas Alexander, the ScotchSec. She's on the right, but she said "he was one of the nicest men I have met, and - more importantly - one of the most interesting and intelligent"

    I too was surprised, but that's what she said
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,800
    carnforth said:

    RobD said:

    carnforth said:

    How do ID cards help with illegal working if you can't demand they be carried when at work?

    By demonstrating a right to work when hired (assumedly also at the time the policy starts?). Had to go through that in the US.
    But we have that already.

    https://www.gov.uk/prove-right-to-work
    Then I’m out of ideas.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,717

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    It would be a fair criticism of me that I get a lot of my opinions from The Spectator, because it's really the one bit of the media I read the most. And I think the first thing I read about a topic, if it reads convincingly, usually becomes my opinion till something else comes along.

    So I am now officially against Northern Powerhouse Rail. I was all for it, till I read this fairly damning account of it, which is basically that it's not going to do anything for the North, because it's basically more of the HS2 project, just gussied up by Obsborne to look like his own genius levelling up scheme.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/its-time-to-admit-that-high-speed-rail-is-a-dead-end/

    Osborne did that a lot. The OBR for example was meant to be a great way to ensure Tory style fiscal rectitude, but it wasn't - it was actually a quango designed to ready us for monetary union. Northern Powerhouse Rail sounds brilliant, but it turns out:

    Called Northern Powerhouse Rail, this section alone will cost a claimed £17 billion (in reality, perhaps £30 billion). It will be a high-speed railway on which trains can never reach high speeds, because the stations are too close together. It will leave Manchester via a vastly expensive new eight-mile tunnel in the wrong direction – roughly south, only then turning west towards Liverpool, hence the longer journey time. The official reason for doing it like this is to serve Manchester Airport. But the ‘airport’ station would be almost a mile away from the airport. You’d have to transfer by bus.

    So until another, better take comes along, I'm adopting Gilligan's view that NPR is shite and we should do a Queen Elizabeth line for Northern England instead. We're out of the EU now, we can do what the populace actually needs, not continue with their ludicrous grand projets and have to pretend they're working for people.
    I'm surprised that's the criticism you think is the fairest. That you are a nasty racist piece of shit roughly on a par with the 'white baby' chancer would be my take. Maybe you havre to be of a particular mindset to both to read or write for that publication?
    Is gratuitous, vulgar, foul-mouthed abuse of other posters now AOK again? I thought we were warned off that, coz it got a bit heated

    But if pin-head, potty mouthed tragic retired tampon ad exec @Roger is allowed to say all this, then I presume it is OK for the rest of us?

    I do hope so, because I LOVE handing out this stuff, particularly to a worthless shit stain of a human like, ooh, @Roger
    No.

    Today is not a day to piss me off.
    I actually agree with your sensible rule about not being gratuitously or obscenely abusive. It calmed everyone down, and it worked. I am glad it persists (also it made us all more creative in our hectoring, which makes for more amusing reading). As a result I've even reduced my ordnance of C bombs and F missiles, in general

    However, let us please have the rules applied equally. Ta

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,800
    Foss said:

    RobD said:

    carnforth said:

    How do ID cards help with illegal working if you can't demand they be carried when at work?

    By demonstrating a right to work when hired (assumedly also at the time the policy starts?). Had to go through that in the US.
    Right to work checks were introduced under Major. Those who don't check now won't check once the e-cards arrive.
    Perhaps Labour/Starmer love shooting themselves in the foot so much they decided to go ahead even without any tangible benefits.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,116
    edited September 25
    deleted as covered
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,496
    Leon said:

    I now have a picture I will use more than that Farage photo in PB headers.



    Safe pair of hands... Scottish Secretary @D_G_Alexander poses next to a gasholder in Edinburgh to promote UK Govt regeneration funding

    https://x.com/DMScotPol/status/1971258989087432955/photo/1

    In the spirit of loving grace, a friend of mine - who knows an extraordinary number of important and talented people (it's her job, basically) went to a dinner party the other day where she was plonked next to Douglas Alexander, the ScotchSec. She's on the right, but she said "he was one of the nicest men I have met, and - more importantly - one of the most interesting and intelligent"

    I too was surprised, but that's what she said
    I have heard him speak and he was surprisingly interesting.
  • Sky announcement

    Lib Dems oppose ID cards

    I should hope so, completely illiberal nonsense.

    Nice breath of fresh air in the rare occasions when the Lib Dems actually stand up for liberalism.
  • Leon said:

    Roger said:

    It would be a fair criticism of me that I get a lot of my opinions from The Spectator, because it's really the one bit of the media I read the most. And I think the first thing I read about a topic, if it reads convincingly, usually becomes my opinion till something else comes along.

    So I am now officially against Northern Powerhouse Rail. I was all for it, till I read this fairly damning account of it, which is basically that it's not going to do anything for the North, because it's basically more of the HS2 project, just gussied up by Obsborne to look like his own genius levelling up scheme.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/its-time-to-admit-that-high-speed-rail-is-a-dead-end/

    Osborne did that a lot. The OBR for example was meant to be a great way to ensure Tory style fiscal rectitude, but it wasn't - it was actually a quango designed to ready us for monetary union. Northern Powerhouse Rail sounds brilliant, but it turns out:

    Called Northern Powerhouse Rail, this section alone will cost a claimed £17 billion (in reality, perhaps £30 billion). It will be a high-speed railway on which trains can never reach high speeds, because the stations are too close together. It will leave Manchester via a vastly expensive new eight-mile tunnel in the wrong direction – roughly south, only then turning west towards Liverpool, hence the longer journey time. The official reason for doing it like this is to serve Manchester Airport. But the ‘airport’ station would be almost a mile away from the airport. You’d have to transfer by bus.

    So until another, better take comes along, I'm adopting Gilligan's view that NPR is shite and we should do a Queen Elizabeth line for Northern England instead. We're out of the EU now, we can do what the populace actually needs, not continue with their ludicrous grand projets and have to pretend they're working for people.
    I'm surprised that's the criticism you think is the fairest. That you are a nasty racist piece of shit roughly on a par with the 'white baby' chancer would be my take. Maybe you havre to be of a particular mindset to both to read or write for that publication?
    Is gratuitous, vulgar, foul-mouthed abuse of other posters now AOK again? I thought we were warned off that, coz it got a bit heated

    But if pin-head, potty mouthed tragic retired tampon ad exec @Roger is allowed to say all this, then I presume it is OK for the rest of us?

    I do hope so, because I LOVE handing out this stuff, particularly to a worthless shit stain of a human like, ooh, @Roger
    No.

    Today is not a day to piss me off.
    Out of curiosity, when is the day?

    I generally take it as read that its not a good idea to piss you off.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,782
    edited September 25
    Some interesting information about who might be playing a mucb bigger role in handling your identity card details. Yes, it's everybody's favourite Bond villain, Peter Thiel.

    From the tech deals anoumced last week : "The new investment programme is designed to strengthen the data analytics company Palantir’s role across the UK economy, with projects spanning defence, health, policing, and other public sector services."
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    It would be a fair criticism of me that I get a lot of my opinions from The Spectator, because it's really the one bit of the media I read the most. And I think the first thing I read about a topic, if it reads convincingly, usually becomes my opinion till something else comes along.

    So I am now officially against Northern Powerhouse Rail. I was all for it, till I read this fairly damning account of it, which is basically that it's not going to do anything for the North, because it's basically more of the HS2 project, just gussied up by Obsborne to look like his own genius levelling up scheme.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/its-time-to-admit-that-high-speed-rail-is-a-dead-end/

    Osborne did that a lot. The OBR for example was meant to be a great way to ensure Tory style fiscal rectitude, but it wasn't - it was actually a quango designed to ready us for monetary union. Northern Powerhouse Rail sounds brilliant, but it turns out:

    Called Northern Powerhouse Rail, this section alone will cost a claimed £17 billion (in reality, perhaps £30 billion). It will be a high-speed railway on which trains can never reach high speeds, because the stations are too close together. It will leave Manchester via a vastly expensive new eight-mile tunnel in the wrong direction – roughly south, only then turning west towards Liverpool, hence the longer journey time. The official reason for doing it like this is to serve Manchester Airport. But the ‘airport’ station would be almost a mile away from the airport. You’d have to transfer by bus.

    So until another, better take comes along, I'm adopting Gilligan's view that NPR is shite and we should do a Queen Elizabeth line for Northern England instead. We're out of the EU now, we can do what the populace actually needs, not continue with their ludicrous grand projets and have to pretend they're working for people.
    I'm surprised that's the criticism you think is the fairest. That you are a nasty racist piece of shit roughly on a par with the 'white baby' chancer would be my take. Maybe you havre to be of a particular mindset to both to read or write for that publication?
    Is gratuitous, vulgar, foul-mouthed abuse of other posters now AOK again? I thought we were warned off that, coz it got a bit heated

    But if pin-head, potty mouthed tragic retired tampon ad exec @Roger is allowed to say all this, then I presume it is OK for the rest of us?

    I do hope so, because I LOVE handing out this stuff, particularly to a worthless shit stain of a human like, ooh, @Roger
    No.

    Today is not a day to piss me off.
    I actually agree with your sensible rule about not being gratuitously or obscenely abusive. It calmed everyone down, and it worked. I am glad it persists (also it made us all more creative in our hectoring, which makes for more amusing reading). As a result I've even reduced my ordnance of C bombs and F missiles, in general

    However, let us please have the rules applied equally. Ta

    They will be.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,800

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    It would be a fair criticism of me that I get a lot of my opinions from The Spectator, because it's really the one bit of the media I read the most. And I think the first thing I read about a topic, if it reads convincingly, usually becomes my opinion till something else comes along.

    So I am now officially against Northern Powerhouse Rail. I was all for it, till I read this fairly damning account of it, which is basically that it's not going to do anything for the North, because it's basically more of the HS2 project, just gussied up by Obsborne to look like his own genius levelling up scheme.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/its-time-to-admit-that-high-speed-rail-is-a-dead-end/

    Osborne did that a lot. The OBR for example was meant to be a great way to ensure Tory style fiscal rectitude, but it wasn't - it was actually a quango designed to ready us for monetary union. Northern Powerhouse Rail sounds brilliant, but it turns out:

    Called Northern Powerhouse Rail, this section alone will cost a claimed £17 billion (in reality, perhaps £30 billion). It will be a high-speed railway on which trains can never reach high speeds, because the stations are too close together. It will leave Manchester via a vastly expensive new eight-mile tunnel in the wrong direction – roughly south, only then turning west towards Liverpool, hence the longer journey time. The official reason for doing it like this is to serve Manchester Airport. But the ‘airport’ station would be almost a mile away from the airport. You’d have to transfer by bus.

    So until another, better take comes along, I'm adopting Gilligan's view that NPR is shite and we should do a Queen Elizabeth line for Northern England instead. We're out of the EU now, we can do what the populace actually needs, not continue with their ludicrous grand projets and have to pretend they're working for people.
    I'm surprised that's the criticism you think is the fairest. That you are a nasty racist piece of shit roughly on a par with the 'white baby' chancer would be my take. Maybe you havre to be of a particular mindset to both to read or write for that publication?
    Is gratuitous, vulgar, foul-mouthed abuse of other posters now AOK again? I thought we were warned off that, coz it got a bit heated

    But if pin-head, potty mouthed tragic retired tampon ad exec @Roger is allowed to say all this, then I presume it is OK for the rest of us?

    I do hope so, because I LOVE handing out this stuff, particularly to a worthless shit stain of a human like, ooh, @Roger
    No.

    Today is not a day to piss me off.
    You weren’t served pineapple pizza at lunch again, were you?
    My youngest son dropped my iPhone 17 Pro Max which I only got on Tuesday and cracked the screen.

    Still in working order but decided to sell it off cheap.

    Below are the specs

    13 year old
    British
    Male
    Speaks English
    Price negotiable
    Think of it this way: what’s better than having one iPhone 17 Pro Max? Having two!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,227
    glw said:

    Stocky said:

    On ID cards, from one of the few charities I support:

    https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/no2digitalid/

    They should also add that universal digital ID is handing a future authoritarian/fascist government a mighty handy tool.

    This is the reason I am still unconvinced, especially given the current direction of travel of western democracies.

    I was implacably opposed to ID when Blair was around for the reasons given in that piece.*

    Not to do a Leon and start name dropping but I once interviewed Richard Stallman about the plans for a very minor publication many moons ago.


    * Edit: Indeed, I may still have a "No ID' t-shirt from the time in a box under the eaves somewhere.
    Creating Digital ID and the inevitable giant database just in time for Farage and his band of racist nutters is typical Starmer foresight.
    Yep.

    Although I doubt the government, any UK government in modern times, can actually build this thing in three years.

    They'll still be doing consultation with selected pathfinder partners by time Nigel is measuring the curtains.
  • trukattrukat Posts: 78
    RobD said:

    Foss said:

    RobD said:

    carnforth said:

    How do ID cards help with illegal working if you can't demand they be carried when at work?

    By demonstrating a right to work when hired (assumedly also at the time the policy starts?). Had to go through that in the US.
    Right to work checks were introduced under Major. Those who don't check now won't check once the e-cards arrive.
    Perhaps Labour/Starmer love shooting themselves in the foot so much they decided to go ahead even without any tangible benefits.
    They have to want them for some other reason. A "social credit system" would seem most likely.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,300
    a

    nico67 said:

    Beneath the headline majority support for ID cards this drops significantly especially in people over 55 if it’s a digital ID .

    I don't expect the government will provide phones and data plans, so anyone with no smartphone is buggered for a wodge of cash and at least 60 quid a year.
    ID tax
    or they do what happens in the rest of the world and they are given a chip and pin card as a digital ID, either for nothing or it's provided for free.

    Amazing how much of the planet have been down this route and yet they managed to deliver it without all these horrors to their populations !!!
    The answer is simple - ID cards that are simply ID cards are easy. Too easy in fact. I could get the whole thing implemented for a tiny sum of money. The real cost is in verifying identity to create records and issue ID cards.

    You’d obviously have a physical card, as well as digital, in my system.

    The card would be your drivers license - so would be issued as replaced. Also issued with any new passports.

    It’s the mad Minority Report fantasies that cost the billions and break all the rules on data security.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,844
    This doesn't fill one with confidence about databases.

    "Children's names, pictures and addresses stolen in nursery chain hack

    Hackers say they have stolen the pictures, names and addresses of around 8,000 children from the Kido nursery chain. The gang of cyber criminals is using the highly sensitive information to demand a ransom from the company, which has 18 sites in and around London, with more in the US and India. The criminals say they also have information about the children's parents and carers as well as safeguarding notes. They claim to have contacted some parents by phone as part of their extortion tactics."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62ldyvpwv9o
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,227
    Andy_JS said:

    "@GBPolitcs

    🚨NEW: Jeremy Corbyn:

    "I firmly oppose the government’s plans for compulsory digital ID cards""

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1971248734949556452

    Ok, I've switched. This is the best idea since sliced bread.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,844

    Sky announcement

    Lib Dems oppose ID cards

    Davey the flip-flopper.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,006
    edited September 25
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    It would be a fair criticism of me that I get a lot of my opinions from The Spectator, because it's really the one bit of the media I read the most. And I think the first thing I read about a topic, if it reads convincingly, usually becomes my opinion till something else comes along.

    So I am now officially against Northern Powerhouse Rail. I was all for it, till I read this fairly damning account of it, which is basically that it's not going to do anything for the North, because it's basically more of the HS2 project, just gussied up by Obsborne to look like his own genius levelling up scheme.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/its-time-to-admit-that-high-speed-rail-is-a-dead-end/

    Osborne did that a lot. The OBR for example was meant to be a great way to ensure Tory style fiscal rectitude, but it wasn't - it was actually a quango designed to ready us for monetary union. Northern Powerhouse Rail sounds brilliant, but it turns out:

    Called Northern Powerhouse Rail, this section alone will cost a claimed £17 billion (in reality, perhaps £30 billion). It will be a high-speed railway on which trains can never reach high speeds, because the stations are too close together. It will leave Manchester via a vastly expensive new eight-mile tunnel in the wrong direction – roughly south, only then turning west towards Liverpool, hence the longer journey time. The official reason for doing it like this is to serve Manchester Airport. But the ‘airport’ station would be almost a mile away from the airport. You’d have to transfer by bus.

    So until another, better take comes along, I'm adopting Gilligan's view that NPR is shite and we should do a Queen Elizabeth line for Northern England instead. We're out of the EU now, we can do what the populace actually needs, not continue with their ludicrous grand projets and have to pretend they're working for people.
    I'm surprised that's the criticism you think is the fairest. That you are a nasty racist piece of shit roughly on a par with the 'white baby' chancer would be my take. Maybe you havre to be of a particular mindset to both to read or write for that publication?
    Is gratuitous, vulgar, foul-mouthed abuse of other posters now AOK again? I thought we were warned off that, coz it got a bit heated

    But if pin-head, potty mouthed tragic retired tampon ad exec @Roger is allowed to say all this, then I presume it is OK for the rest of us?

    I do hope so, because I LOVE handing out this stuff, particularly to a worthless shit stain of a human like, ooh, @Roger
    No.

    Today is not a day to piss me off.
    You weren’t served pineapple pizza at lunch again, were you?
    My youngest son dropped my iPhone 17 Pro Max which I only got on Tuesday and cracked the screen.

    Still in working order but decided to sell it off cheap.

    Below are the specs

    13 year old
    British
    Male
    Speaks English
    Price negotiable
    Think of it this way: what’s better than having one iPhone 17 Pro Max? Having two!
    It's insured with Apple Care but the earliest slot I can get in Sheffield is next week, I am having to go to the Apple store in Edinburgh to get it fixed tomorrow.

    There's no available slots for me nearby until the middle of next week.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,775

    Some interesting information about who might be playing a mucb bigger role in handling your identity card details. Yes, it's everybody's favourite Bond villain, Peter Thiel.

    From the tech deals anoumced last week : "The new investment programme is designed to strengthen the data analytics company Palantir’s role across the UK economy, with projects spanning defence, health, policing, and other public sector services."

    We could always have the Palantir sales team and the Oracle sales team fight it out, Battle Royale-style?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,227
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    I now have a picture I will use more than that Farage photo in PB headers.



    Safe pair of hands... Scottish Secretary @D_G_Alexander poses next to a gasholder in Edinburgh to promote UK Govt regeneration funding

    https://x.com/DMScotPol/status/1971258989087432955/photo/1

    In the spirit of loving grace, a friend of mine - who knows an extraordinary number of important and talented people (it's her job, basically) went to a dinner party the other day where she was plonked next to Douglas Alexander, the ScotchSec. She's on the right, but she said "he was one of the nicest men I have met, and - more importantly - one of the most interesting and intelligent"

    I too was surprised, but that's what she said
    I have heard him speak and he was surprisingly interesting.
    I don't know everyone is so down on him generally. One of the better ministers of the Blair years - a time when there were quite a few decent ministers - solid calm communicator, clearly in it for the long game as he came back, and survivor of notoriously vicious internecine scottish lab politics.

  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,027
    Andy_JS said:

    This doesn't fill one with confidence about databases.

    "Children's names, pictures and addresses stolen in nursery chain hack

    Hackers say they have stolen the pictures, names and addresses of around 8,000 children from the Kido nursery chain. The gang of cyber criminals is using the highly sensitive information to demand a ransom from the company, which has 18 sites in and around London, with more in the US and India. The criminals say they also have information about the children's parents and carers as well as safeguarding notes. They claim to have contacted some parents by phone as part of their extortion tactics."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62ldyvpwv9o

    But what would you do with any of this data? If you're going to target children then why go to all that trouble?

    Children are a pretty common sight throughout the land.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,227
    Hold on. Marxist communist Corbyn is concerned that ID cards are "state interference"???

  • "Palantir was founded by Peter Thiel with backing from the CIA’s venture capital arm, In-Q-Tel, and was designed to revive the Total Information Awareness (TIA) program, a DARPA initiative aimed at comprehensive surveillance of Americans. TIA was supposedly discontinued due to privacy concerns, but Palantir effectively continued its programme."
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,778

    Has Starmer misread the room again and all because his obsession with Farage ?

    He doesn’t realise that the best thing he can do to help his party to fight back against Reform would be to stand down as leader.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,227

    Tom Nichols
    @RadioFreeTom
    ·
    2h
    I don’t know why Hegseth is calling this big jamboree in until I do. I can’t really evaluate it. On its face, pulling all these guys from all over the world and making them all sit in one place seems kind of stupid.

    https://x.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1971237953692443045
  • glw said:

    Roger said:

    carnforth said:

    Any relationship between Davey's conference vote on changing opposition to ID cards and today's announcement from the governement, do we reckon? In no direction, either direction, or both?

    Absolutely shameful that a liberal party could get behind this IMHO.
    According to Luke Tryl it's 54 to 18% in favour. What's more two of the main Parties big thinkers Tony Blair and William Hague are supporters so that's good enough for me
    The devil will be in the detail. But IMO it's very difficult, of not impossible, to alter the detail so that it is beneficial to the public and individuals. And very easy to have the details to be far from benficial.

    Do you trust this government - any government - to get the details right?
    The UK government has just gone ahead with the Online Safety Act which essentially says "give your personal data to anyone who asks in order to prove your age" in a complete about-turn on 20 years of warning people not to share personal data with everyone on the net. They didn't wait for fancy biometric verified mDOC zero-knowledge proof of age systems, they went for the worst possible options for privacy and security.

    I'll be amazed if the Digital ID is well thought out.
    Am I the only one to notice that since we made it harder to access porn people dealt with their 'frustration' by protesting outside hotels.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,717

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    It would be a fair criticism of me that I get a lot of my opinions from The Spectator, because it's really the one bit of the media I read the most. And I think the first thing I read about a topic, if it reads convincingly, usually becomes my opinion till something else comes along.

    So I am now officially against Northern Powerhouse Rail. I was all for it, till I read this fairly damning account of it, which is basically that it's not going to do anything for the North, because it's basically more of the HS2 project, just gussied up by Obsborne to look like his own genius levelling up scheme.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/its-time-to-admit-that-high-speed-rail-is-a-dead-end/

    Osborne did that a lot. The OBR for example was meant to be a great way to ensure Tory style fiscal rectitude, but it wasn't - it was actually a quango designed to ready us for monetary union. Northern Powerhouse Rail sounds brilliant, but it turns out:

    Called Northern Powerhouse Rail, this section alone will cost a claimed £17 billion (in reality, perhaps £30 billion). It will be a high-speed railway on which trains can never reach high speeds, because the stations are too close together. It will leave Manchester via a vastly expensive new eight-mile tunnel in the wrong direction – roughly south, only then turning west towards Liverpool, hence the longer journey time. The official reason for doing it like this is to serve Manchester Airport. But the ‘airport’ station would be almost a mile away from the airport. You’d have to transfer by bus.

    So until another, better take comes along, I'm adopting Gilligan's view that NPR is shite and we should do a Queen Elizabeth line for Northern England instead. We're out of the EU now, we can do what the populace actually needs, not continue with their ludicrous grand projets and have to pretend they're working for people.
    I'm surprised that's the criticism you think is the fairest. That you are a nasty racist piece of shit roughly on a par with the 'white baby' chancer would be my take. Maybe you havre to be of a particular mindset to both to read or write for that publication?
    Is gratuitous, vulgar, foul-mouthed abuse of other posters now AOK again? I thought we were warned off that, coz it got a bit heated

    But if pin-head, potty mouthed tragic retired tampon ad exec @Roger is allowed to say all this, then I presume it is OK for the rest of us?

    I do hope so, because I LOVE handing out this stuff, particularly to a worthless shit stain of a human like, ooh, @Roger
    No.

    Today is not a day to piss me off.
    You weren’t served pineapple pizza at lunch again, were you?
    My youngest son dropped my iPhone 17 Pro Max which I only got on Tuesday and cracked the screen.

    Still in working order but decided to sell it off cheap.

    Below are the specs

    13 year old
    British
    Male
    Speaks English
    Price negotiable
    Think of it this way: what’s better than having one iPhone 17 Pro Max? Having two!
    It's insured with Apple Care but the earliest slot I can get in Sheffield is next week, I am having to go to the Apple store in Edinburgh to get it fixed tomorrow.

    There's no available slots for me nearby until the middle of next week.
    You're going from Sheffield to Edinburgh..... just to get a phone fixed?!

    The Apple Pro Max 17 must be bloody good!
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,164
    RobD said:

    carnforth said:

    How do ID cards help with illegal working if you can't demand they be carried when at work?

    By demonstrating a right to work when hired (assumedly also at the time the policy starts?). Had to go through that in the US.
    What additional security does it give beyond the checks a company has to carry out on hiring already?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,782
    edited September 25
    "Palantir’s software, particularly Gotham, is used for predictive policing and “pre-crime” applications, tracking individuals suspected of potential criminal activity before any crime occurs. This enables profiling and targeting based on data patterns, eroding privacy and due process.

    Palantir’s data harvesting creates detailed digital profiles of individuals, which can also be used for surveillance. Palantir is connected to the “PayPal Mafia,” a group of influential tech figures led by Peter Thiel, who wield significant political power. Palantir benefits from both Democrat and Republican administrations, with consistent contract growth regardless of who is in office:"
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,985
    IanB2 said:

    carnforth said:

    Any relationship between Davey's conference vote on changing opposition to ID cards and today's announcement from the governement, do we reckon? In no direction, either direction, or both?

    Absolutely shameful that a liberal party could get behind this IMHO.
    It is indeed, and I have only just rejoined. I’ve dropped them a note saying that I will be resigning again if they don’t oppose Labour’s plans.

    Sky announcement

    Lib Dems oppose ID cards

    PB triumphs again!
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,778

    What an absolutely pathetic joke that Labour aren't doing anything in their manifesto, such as getting homes built, but are going to introduce ID cards digital ID which was not in the manifesto.

    It will do absolutely Jack Shit to deal with those who pay cash in hand to those working illegally too, as existing laws are already breached for that.

    I have a cunning plan to kill the demand for ID cards. Tell the Civil Service and others of the administration class that they will replace passports, driving licences, NI cards, railcards and bus passes. They will also act as proof of ID for the NHS. Therefore the departments dealing with these will no longer be required, and can be closed down, saving £billions.
  • Leon said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    It would be a fair criticism of me that I get a lot of my opinions from The Spectator, because it's really the one bit of the media I read the most. And I think the first thing I read about a topic, if it reads convincingly, usually becomes my opinion till something else comes along.

    So I am now officially against Northern Powerhouse Rail. I was all for it, till I read this fairly damning account of it, which is basically that it's not going to do anything for the North, because it's basically more of the HS2 project, just gussied up by Obsborne to look like his own genius levelling up scheme.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/its-time-to-admit-that-high-speed-rail-is-a-dead-end/

    Osborne did that a lot. The OBR for example was meant to be a great way to ensure Tory style fiscal rectitude, but it wasn't - it was actually a quango designed to ready us for monetary union. Northern Powerhouse Rail sounds brilliant, but it turns out:

    Called Northern Powerhouse Rail, this section alone will cost a claimed £17 billion (in reality, perhaps £30 billion). It will be a high-speed railway on which trains can never reach high speeds, because the stations are too close together. It will leave Manchester via a vastly expensive new eight-mile tunnel in the wrong direction – roughly south, only then turning west towards Liverpool, hence the longer journey time. The official reason for doing it like this is to serve Manchester Airport. But the ‘airport’ station would be almost a mile away from the airport. You’d have to transfer by bus.

    So until another, better take comes along, I'm adopting Gilligan's view that NPR is shite and we should do a Queen Elizabeth line for Northern England instead. We're out of the EU now, we can do what the populace actually needs, not continue with their ludicrous grand projets and have to pretend they're working for people.
    I'm surprised that's the criticism you think is the fairest. That you are a nasty racist piece of shit roughly on a par with the 'white baby' chancer would be my take. Maybe you havre to be of a particular mindset to both to read or write for that publication?
    Is gratuitous, vulgar, foul-mouthed abuse of other posters now AOK again? I thought we were warned off that, coz it got a bit heated

    But if pin-head, potty mouthed tragic retired tampon ad exec @Roger is allowed to say all this, then I presume it is OK for the rest of us?

    I do hope so, because I LOVE handing out this stuff, particularly to a worthless shit stain of a human like, ooh, @Roger
    No.

    Today is not a day to piss me off.
    You weren’t served pineapple pizza at lunch again, were you?
    My youngest son dropped my iPhone 17 Pro Max which I only got on Tuesday and cracked the screen.

    Still in working order but decided to sell it off cheap.

    Below are the specs

    13 year old
    British
    Male
    Speaks English
    Price negotiable
    Think of it this way: what’s better than having one iPhone 17 Pro Max? Having two!
    It's insured with Apple Care but the earliest slot I can get in Sheffield is next week, I am having to go to the Apple store in Edinburgh to get it fixed tomorrow.

    There's no available slots for me nearby until the middle of next week.
    You're going from Sheffield to Edinburgh..... just to get a phone fixed?!

    The Apple Pro Max 17 must be bloody good!
    Yes and yes.

    Reality is that I've got a few things on this weekend and early next week (such as meeting JohnO and having lunch in Claridge's again) and I need my phone.

    All my tickets, Uber bookings, etc are all on there.
  • Omnium said:

    Sky announcement

    Lib Dems oppose ID cards

    Is this actually true, or have Sky just assumed that the LDs will face plant at all and every opportunity?
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1971267100497850599?s=19
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