The privately educated are tightening their “vice-like grip” on some of the most powerful and influential roles in British society, such as FTSE 100 chairs, newspaper columnists and BBC executives, a report has found.
Those in the most important positions are five times as likely to have attended private school than the general population, showing it is still possible to “buy advantage”, according to the Sutton Trust.
This was true of a similar proportion of judges, at 62%...Those institutions were also dominant among senior civil servants, with 66% of permanent secretaries being Oxbridge graduates. About a third of charity chief executives were privately educated and a fifth attended Oxbridge, showing that even the third sector is not immune to elitism.
One in three GPs in England do not work in the NHS, with increasing numbers seeking to move abroad or becoming a private contractor, deepening patients’ difficulties in getting appointments.
The proportion of family doctors who, although qualified, do not provide care through the NHS has risen from 27% in 2015 to 34% last year, according to a study published in the BMJ.
That means almost 20,000 GPs who could be working in the health service are “lost” to it and are not doing so, despite unprecedented demand for care and many government initiatives to try to increase GP numbers.
Trump got his mind on important issues while in the UK....
Great News for America: The ratings challenged Jimmy Kimmel Show is CANCELLED. Congratulations to ABC for finally having the courage to do what had to be done. Kimmel has ZERO talent, and worse ratings than even Colbert, if that’s possible. That leaves Jimmy and Seth, two total losers, on Fake News NBC. Their ratings are also horrible. Do it NBC!!! President DJT
A Home Office-backed charity is providing migrants with a step-by-step guide that could help them thwart Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” migrant deal with France.
Current government website guidelines state that “welfare services” must provide migrants held in removal centres with a “notebook” produced by Bail for Immigration Detainees (BiD), a charity that provides legal advice to people in detention.
The Telegraph can reveal that BiD, which has received more than £400,000 in Comic Relief donations and which benefits from charitable tax relief, has produced a detailed method that could help migrants to beat the Prime Minister’s flagship policy. The guide includes “template” letters migrants can use and suggestions for how to use legal and human rights arguments to fight deportation.
I was appointed as Home Secretary to secure our borders. I will do whatever it takes.
Quote Home Office @ukhomeoffice · 8h When migrants use our courts to delay and prevent removals with last-minute and disingenuous claims, it's no longer a system that works for the British people.
We can't accept this and will fight these claims every step of the way."
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
The privately educated are tightening their “vice-like grip” on some of the most powerful and influential roles in British society, such as FTSE 100 chairs, newspaper columnists and BBC executives, a report has found.
Those in the most important positions are five times as likely to have attended private school than the general population, showing it is still possible to “buy advantage”, according to the Sutton Trust.
This was true of a similar proportion of judges, at 62%...Those institutions were also dominant among senior civil servants, with 66% of permanent secretaries being Oxbridge graduates. About a third of charity chief executives were privately educated and a fifth attended Oxbridge, showing that even the third sector is not immune to elitism.
I was appointed as Home Secretary to secure our borders. I will do whatever it takes.
Quote Home Office @ukhomeoffice · 8h When migrants use our courts to delay and prevent removals with last-minute and disingenuous claims, it's no longer a system that works for the British people.
We can't accept this and will fight these claims every step of the way."
LOL, there’s definitely not going to be hundreds of quotes out there saying exactly the oppsite when she was in opposition to a Conservative government.
She can start by defunding all the NGOs and charities paying the lawyers from what are effectively public funds.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
I was appointed as Home Secretary to secure our borders. I will do whatever it takes.
Quote Home Office @ukhomeoffice · 8h When migrants use our courts to delay and prevent removals with last-minute and disingenuous claims, it's no longer a system that works for the British people.
We can't accept this and will fight these claims every step of the way."
LOL, there’s definitely not going to be hundreds of quotes out there saying exactly the oppsite when she was in opposition to a Conservative government.
She can start by defunding all the NGOs and charities paying the lawyers from what are effectively public funds.
The Home Office should not be fighting these cases. The government should accept these loopholes or change the law. It is the government. It can do that.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I was appointed as Home Secretary to secure our borders. I will do whatever it takes.
Quote Home Office @ukhomeoffice · 8h When migrants use our courts to delay and prevent removals with last-minute and disingenuous claims, it's no longer a system that works for the British people.
We can't accept this and will fight these claims every step of the way."
LOL, there’s definitely not going to be hundreds of quotes out there saying exactly the oppsite when she was in opposition to a Conservative government.
She can start by defunding all the NGOs and charities paying the lawyers from what are effectively public funds.
The Home Office should not be fighting these cases. The government should accept these loopholes or change the law. It is the government. It can do that.
IANAL, but surely if they fight the loophole and win, then a legal precedent has been set that has effectively shut that loophole? Whereas 'changing the law' in a broad-brush approach will just create loads more potential loopholes?
I was appointed as Home Secretary to secure our borders. I will do whatever it takes.
Quote Home Office @ukhomeoffice · 8h When migrants use our courts to delay and prevent removals with last-minute and disingenuous claims, it's no longer a system that works for the British people.
We can't accept this and will fight these claims every step of the way."
LOL, there’s definitely not going to be hundreds of quotes out there saying exactly the oppsite when she was in opposition to a Conservative government.
She can start by defunding all the NGOs and charities paying the lawyers from what are effectively public funds.
The Home Office should not be fighting these cases. The government should accept these loopholes or change the law. It is the government. It can do that.
IANAL, but surely if they fight the loophole and win, then a legal precedent has been set that has effectively shut that loophole? Whereas 'changing the law' in a broad-brush approach will just create loads more potential loopholes?
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
I was appointed as Home Secretary to secure our borders. I will do whatever it takes.
Quote Home Office @ukhomeoffice · 8h When migrants use our courts to delay and prevent removals with last-minute and disingenuous claims, it's no longer a system that works for the British people.
We can't accept this and will fight these claims every step of the way."
LOL, there’s definitely not going to be hundreds of quotes out there saying exactly the oppsite when she was in opposition to a Conservative government.
She can start by defunding all the NGOs and charities paying the lawyers from what are effectively public funds.
The Home Office should not be fighting these cases. The government should accept these loopholes or change the law. It is the government. It can do that.
IANAL, but surely if they fight the loophole and win, then a legal precedent has been set that has effectively shut that loophole? Whereas 'changing the law' in a broad-brush approach will just create loads more potential loopholes?
The core problem is that a number of laws have been interpreted in a very wide ranging manner. So even if the government wins on one of these "reasons", yet another keeps popping up. You are right though some kneejerk reaction law probably would open up another set of loopholes.
Nobody seems to want to think really hard about it. Its either seeing to be doing something or shouting they would fix it in 2 weeks (no detailed plan provided).
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump or Trump in bed with the devil. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
As for being cancelled, in general I doubt they worry about that. a) they are still funny and b) very popular and c) a huge contract with the tv company. It is how Jimmy Carr can keep getting "cancelled" and coming back. It when you stop being funny and your popularity goes (or isn't that great), then the industry is very quick to distant themselves.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump or Trump in bed with the devil. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
As for being cancelled, in general I doubt they worry about that. a) they are still funny and b) very popular and c) a huge contract with the tv company. It is how Jimmy Carr can keep getting "cancelled" and coming back. It when you stop being funny and your popularity goes (or isn't that great), then the industry is very quick to distant themselves.
The first rule of comedy is that it has to be funny. The more “edgy” the comedy, and the more controversial the subject matter, the funnier it needs to be.
The late night TV hosts stopped being funny a long time ago, turning into the Daily Hate against the president. Kimmel’s pack of lies about the Kirk shooter wasn’t atypical of his content for most of the past decade.
South Park did of course have a Charlie Kirk character a few weeks ago, turning up and calling himself “The Master Debater”. Kirk himself leaned into the joke, and was proud that SP based a character on him, much to the annoyance of leftists who wanted him to be angry about the portrayal. But Charlie Kirk wasn’t an angry man, he was a decent man who enjoyed talking to people.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
LOL. You're calling me a troll?
As for Lee, look it up. It's quite a simple Google.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump or Trump in bed with the devil. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
As for being cancelled, in general I doubt they worry about that. a) they are still funny and b) very popular and c) a huge contract with the tv company. It is how Jimmy Carr can keep getting "cancelled" and coming back. It when you stop being funny and your popularity goes (or isn't that great), then the industry is very quick to distant themselves.
The first rule of comedy is that it has to be funny. The more “edgy” the comedy, and the more controversial the subject matter, the funnier it needs to be.
(Snip)
If the first rule of comedy is "it has to be funny", then the second has to be "You cannot amuse everyone."
Just because you don't find something funny, doesn't mean other people do not. And humour can also be used to tell grander truths - which is often where 'edginess' comes into it, if done well.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
On a slightly different matter, here's a very long-term prediction: the 2028 Olympics from LA are going to be an absolute shitshow, particularly if things continue politically in the USA the way they are.
Having them in America, just a few months before the presidential election, and with a government that is increasingly anti-foreigner, may prove to be a big mistake.
As one example, I can easily see them blocking some foreign athletes from entering because of some bogus 'reasons', such as something said on social media.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
There must be more to it that wasn’t part of that clip
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
There's never been this environment before.
If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
It may be unfunny, but aren’t you a little uncomfortable about the President coercing the media?
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
There's never been this environment before.
If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".
No Muslims had the capability to force them off the air. Trump and the Republicans do, and have been wielding that power.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
There's never been this environment before.
If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".
No Muslims had the capability to force them off the air. Trump and the Republicans do, and have been wielding that power.
I think you are really overplaying this. Some people who didn't worry about the possibility of radical Islamist nutters coming at them, are worried about Trump might try and get their little show off kicked off cable tv. Come on.
But lets imagine Trump got one of the most popular tv shows shit canned.
They have their own website to show these shows, they could put them on YouTube. They have made stupid money, their show is cheap to make, they do all the voices, they regularly make episodes in a single work week, they don't need celebs on the show like the Late nights, they can't be "cancelled". And they have just spent the past month going harder than ever on Trump. Last time, its was they used an existing character to poke fun at him, this time its direct Trump is in the show.
The remarks weren’t “about Charlie Kirk,” they were about how this administration is using Kirk’s death as an excuse to shut down critics … and they responded by proving him completely correct.
One in three GPs in England do not work in the NHS, with increasing numbers seeking to move abroad or becoming a private contractor, deepening patients’ difficulties in getting appointments.
The proportion of family doctors who, although qualified, do not provide care through the NHS has risen from 27% in 2015 to 34% last year, according to a study published in the BMJ.
That means almost 20,000 GPs who could be working in the health service are “lost” to it and are not doing so, despite unprecedented demand for care and many government initiatives to try to increase GP numbers.
Over recent years and both Labour and Conservative governments this problem has worsened. There has been both a massive demand for GP appointments coupled with a GP unemployment crisis. Around half of newly qualified GPs fail to get a job in the speciality.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
There's never been this environment before.
If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".
No Muslims had the capability to force them off the air. Trump and the Republicans do, and have been wielding that power.
I think you are really overplaying this. Some people who didn't worry about the possibility of radical Islamist nutters coming at them, are worried about Trump. Come on.
But lets imagine Trump got one of the most popular tv shows shit canned.
(Snip)
Why not? For Trump it's all about power, isn't it? His supporters would love it, even if they like South Park. A strong president, doing strong things.
And yes, the 'Islamic nutters' did not have the same sort of power that the Trump and the Republicans have at the moment.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
There's never been this environment before.
If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".
No Muslims had the capability to force them off the air. Trump and the Republicans do, and have been wielding that power.
I think you are really overplaying this. Some people who didn't worry about the possibility of radical Islamist nutters coming at them, are worried about Trump might try and get their little show off kicked off cable tv. Come on.
But lets imagine Trump got one of the most popular tv shows shit canned.
They have their own website to show these shows, they could put them on YouTube. They have made stupid money, their show is cheap to make, they do all the voices, they regularly make episodes in a single work week, they don't need celebs on the show like the Late nights, they can't be "cancelled". And they have just spent the past month going harder than ever on Trump. Last time, its was they used an existing character to poke fun at him, this time its direct Trump is in the show.
The world has always been divided between those who are more scared of their government having too much power, and those who are scared about it having too little.
I am very much in the former group. The govenment* terrifies me far more than any Islamist nutter.
OT last night four people won the lottery with 7 9 18 24 30 36. Is there any reason this particular combination of numbers should be popular or is it just a coincidence?
The 36 rules out family birthdays (or any dates) and the range looks too big for children's ages but not big enough for parents' and children's ages. All are divisible by three, except for 7, and the last four go up in 6s but not the first two. With millions of players, there must be occasional coincidences but that seems a lame explanation.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
There's never been this environment before.
If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".
No Muslims had the capability to force them off the air. Trump and the Republicans do, and have been wielding that power.
I think you are really overplaying this. Some people who didn't worry about the possibility of radical Islamist nutters coming at them, are worried about Trump. Come on.
But lets imagine Trump got one of the most popular tv shows shit canned.
(Snip)
Why not? For Trump it's all about power, isn't it? His supporters would love it, even if they like South Park. A strong president, doing strong things.
And yes, the 'Islamic nutters' did not have the same sort of power that the Trump and the Republicans have at the moment.
I think you are making a foul of yourself here.
Islamic nutters have killed cartoonists. And that didn't scare them. They have gone hard at the Scientologists, who are notorious litigious and pretty powerful lobby in the US. You think they worry about the worst possible scenario is their show goes online only. Come on man....
In fact if Trump did get their show kicked off cable tv, I think they would lean into it...the show that was too hot for tv.....
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
Show me any elected official, let alone a senator, who “openly mocking the victim [Kirk] himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.” I would be very surprised.
In the clip someone posted Kimmel barely said anything about Kirk but focused on Trump’s lack of empathy. It’s not very funny, but neither is it offensive.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
There's never been this environment before.
If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".
No Muslims had the capability to force them off the air. Trump and the Republicans do, and have been wielding that power.
I think you are really overplaying this. Some people who didn't worry about the possibility of radical Islamist nutters coming at them, are worried about Trump might try and get their little show off kicked off cable tv. Come on.
But lets imagine Trump got one of the most popular tv shows shit canned.
They have their own website to show these shows, they could put them on YouTube. They have made stupid money, their show is cheap to make, they do all the voices, they regularly make episodes in a single work week, they don't need celebs on the show like the Late nights, they can't be "cancelled". And they have just spent the past month going harder than ever on Trump. Last time, its was they used an existing character to poke fun at him, this time its direct Trump is in the show.
The world has always been divided between those who are more scared of their government having too much power, and those who are scared about it having too little.
I am very much in the former group. The govenment* terrifies me far more than any Islamist nutter.
* Any government really
Yes but you don't make edgy tv shows that included episodes that have gone directly after religious figures.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
There's never been this environment before.
If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".
No Muslims had the capability to force them off the air. Trump and the Republicans do, and have been wielding that power.
I think you are really overplaying this. Some people who didn't worry about the possibility of radical Islamist nutters coming at them, are worried about Trump. Come on.
But lets imagine Trump got one of the most popular tv shows shit canned.
(Snip)
Why not? For Trump it's all about power, isn't it? His supporters would love it, even if they like South Park. A strong president, doing strong things.
And yes, the 'Islamic nutters' did not have the same sort of power that the Trump and the Republicans have at the moment.
I think you are making a foul of yourself here.
Islamic nutters have killed cartoonists. And that didn't scare them. They have gone hard at the Scientologists, who are notorious litigious and pretty powerful lobby in the US. You think they worry about the worst possible scenario is their show goes online only. Come on man....
In fact if Trump did get their show kicked off cable tv, I think they would lean into it...the show that was too hot for tv.....
I don't believe Jessops is making a fool of himself at all, his argument seems perfectly cogent to me based on events. I am not so sure you are on such firm ground.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
There's never been this environment before.
If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".
No Muslims had the capability to force them off the air. Trump and the Republicans do, and have been wielding that power.
I think you are really overplaying this. Some people who didn't worry about the possibility of radical Islamist nutters coming at them, are worried about Trump. Come on.
But lets imagine Trump got one of the most popular tv shows shit canned.
(Snip)
Why not? For Trump it's all about power, isn't it? His supporters would love it, even if they like South Park. A strong president, doing strong things.
And yes, the 'Islamic nutters' did not have the same sort of power that the Trump and the Republicans have at the moment.
I think you are making a foul of yourself here.
Islamic nutters have killed cartoonists. And that didn't scare them. They have gone hard at the Scientologists, who are notorious litigious and pretty powerful lobby in the US. You think they worry about the worst possible scenario is their show goes online only. Come on man....
In fact if Trump did get their show kicked off cable tv, I think they would lean into it...the show that was too hot for tv.....
You made a statement: " They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it. "
That is an assumption, and it is far from 'clearly'. AIUI South Park do not often pull episodes at the last moment, and have thrived on being edgy. What has changed is the media environment and the "free speech" right canning people they don't like. I think you are wrong when you discount that environment.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
Does Kimmel go after Kirk? In the clip I saw, he's going after the reaction, rather than the victim.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
There's never been this environment before.
If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".
No Muslims had the capability to force them off the air. Trump and the Republicans do, and have been wielding that power.
I think you are really overplaying this. Some people who didn't worry about the possibility of radical Islamist nutters coming at them, are worried about Trump. Come on.
But lets imagine Trump got one of the most popular tv shows shit canned.
(Snip)
Why not? For Trump it's all about power, isn't it? His supporters would love it, even if they like South Park. A strong president, doing strong things.
And yes, the 'Islamic nutters' did not have the same sort of power that the Trump and the Republicans have at the moment.
I think you are making a foul of yourself here.
Islamic nutters have killed cartoonists. And that didn't scare them. They have gone hard at the Scientologists, who are notorious litigious and pretty powerful lobby in the US. You think they worry about the worst possible scenario is their show goes online only. Come on man....
In fact if Trump did get their show kicked off cable tv, I think they would lean into it...the show that was too hot for tv.....
You made a statement: " They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it. "
That is an assumption, and it is far from 'clearly'. AIUI South Park do not often pull episodes at the last moment, and have thrived on being edgy. What has changed is the media environment and the "free speech" right canning people they don't like. I think you are wrong when you discount that environment.
Given this media environment, its a bit odd that they have gone harder and more direct at Trump than ever if they were so worried about any blowback from upsetting Trump / the right. Some of the episodes didn't need Trump in them e.g. last weeks one about the craze for these dolls from mystery boxes, it wasn't central part of the story, but they crowbarred it in.
🚨Rolling Stone is now confirming what we all knew happened with Jimmy Kimmel’s show. According to their reporting, executives at ABC and Disney didn’t think Kimmel said anything outrageous but they feared retaliation from Trump. This is a blatant attack on free speech.
The absurdity of JD Vance coming to Europe to lecture us on the death of free speech is laid bare. The Trump appointed head of Federal Communications Commission threatens ABC’s licence over his mild Kirk comments and Kimmel is gone. Free speech? Pah.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
Those people who are defending Lucy Connelly. I understand that Starmer is expected to take a beating from Trump today based on an interview I heard with the top dog at Republicans Abroad, Greg Something-or-other saying something like "the imprisonment of Lucy Connolly for her opinions run contrary to the First Amendment, something that we Americans take as sacrosanct, in fact if we hadn't had the First Amendment we wouldn't have had the Second, Third, Fourth..."*
*My precis, but I kid you not, that is more-or-less what he said.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
Does Kimmel go after Kirk? In the clip I saw, he's going after the reaction, rather than the victim.
Kimmel didn’t go after Kirk directly, at least not from the clips I’ve seen.
But the comments he did make got a reaction from a group of ABC affiliate stations who are fed up with him, thinking it inappropriate to make jokes about a recent murder in the first place. https://x.com/variety/status/1968446383591211212
“IRVING, TX (Sept. 17, 2025)—Nexstar Media Group, Inc. (NASDAQ: NXST), today announced that the company’s owned and partner television stations affiliated with the ABC Television Network will preempt “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” for the foreseeable future beginning with tonight’s show. Nexstar strongly objects to recent comments made by Mr. Kimmel concerning the killing of Charlie Kirk and will replace the show with other programming in its ABC-affiliated markets.
“Mr. Kimmel’s comments about the death of Mr. Kirk are offensive and insensitive at a critical time in our national political discourse, and we do not believe they reflect the spectrum of opinions, views, or values of the local communities in which we are located,” said Andrew Alford, President of Nexstar’s broadcasting division. “Continuing to give Mr. Kimmel a broadcast platform in the communities we serve is simply not in the public interest at the current time, and we have made the difficult decision to preempt his show in an effort to let cooler heads prevail as we move toward the resumption of respectful, constructive dialogue.”
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
Those people who are defending Lucy Connelly. I understand that Starmer is expected to take a beating from Trump today based on an interview I heard with the top dog at Republicans Abroad, Greg Something-or-other saying something like "the imprisonment of Lucy Connolly for her opinions run contrary to the First Amendment, something that we Americans take as sacrosanct, in fact if we hadn't had the First Amendment we wouldn't have had the Second, Third, Fourth..."*
*My precis, but I kid you not, that is more-or-less what he said.
Those who say she did nothing wrong I have no time for. And dangerous position to take. Same as those going yeah, but no, but yeah but no over the killing of the medical insurance exec.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
Those people who are defending Lucy Connelly. I understand that Starmer is expected to take a beating from Trump today based on an interview I heard with the top dog at Republicans Abroad, Greg Something-or-other saying something like "the imprisonment of Lucy Connolly for her opinions run contrary to the First Amendment, something that we Americans take as sacrosanct, in fact if we hadn't had the First Amendment we wouldn't have had the Second, Third, Fourth..."*
*My precis, but I kid you not, that is more-or-less what he said.
Farage went to the US and called for them to use "diplomacy and trade" to defend its position on free speech against the UK.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
There's never been this environment before.
If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".
No Muslims had the capability to force them off the air. Trump and the Republicans do, and have been wielding that power.
I think you are really overplaying this. Some people who didn't worry about the possibility of radical Islamist nutters coming at them, are worried about Trump might try and get their little show off kicked off cable tv. Come on.
But lets imagine Trump got one of the most popular tv shows shit canned.
They have their own website to show these shows, they could put them on YouTube. They have made stupid money, their show is cheap to make, they do all the voices, they regularly make episodes in a single work week, they don't need celebs on the show like the Late nights, they can't be "cancelled". And they have just spent the past month going harder than ever on Trump. Last time, its was they used an existing character to poke fun at him, this time its direct Trump is in the show.
The world has always been divided between those who are more scared of their government having too much power, and those who are scared about it having too little.
I am very much in the former group. The govenment* terrifies me far more than any Islamist nutter.
* Any government really
To quote John Adams, 2nd President.
“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
Looks like that belief is going to be tested to destruction.
Meanwhile, KC3 was an outstanding host. It's going well, so far ......
Completely off topic, and for those interested in LLMs, here's Andrej Karpathy's insanely great blog post from 2015 on using neural nets (PyTorch) for text generation: https://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/
This is almost eight years before the release of ChatGPT.
What's also amazing is that this was two years before the breakthrough that is transformer architecture, and the use of multidimensional matrices to store tokens that are words (or portions of words) rather than individual letters.
ABC affiliate Sinclair are going even further, and replacing Kimmel’s show on Friday with a tribute to Charlie Kirk, also asking Kimmel to make a public apology and a meaningful donation to Kirk’s family and TPUSA.
🚨Rolling Stone is now confirming what we all knew happened with Jimmy Kimmel’s show. According to their reporting, executives at ABC and Disney didn’t think Kimmel said anything outrageous but they feared retaliation from Trump. This is a blatant attack on free speech.
And that's the truly dangerous bit here. Not that government action directly got the show pulled, or even an explicit threat of it, but an assumed threat.
In teaching, having that sort of reputation is when you have got behaviour sorted, when you don't even need to arch your eyebrow for hush to fall. In the management of a nation, it's blooming scary.
Sometimes, when an organisation or person has too much money or stuff, it weakens them against the government, because it means they have too much to lose. I fear we have reached that place with US media.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
There's never been this environment before.
If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".
No Muslims had the capability to force them off the air. Trump and the Republicans do, and have been wielding that power.
I think you are really overplaying this. Some people who didn't worry about the possibility of radical Islamist nutters coming at them, are worried about Trump. Come on.
But lets imagine Trump got one of the most popular tv shows shit canned.
(Snip)
Why not? For Trump it's all about power, isn't it? His supporters would love it, even if they like South Park. A strong president, doing strong things.
And yes, the 'Islamic nutters' did not have the same sort of power that the Trump and the Republicans have at the moment.
I think you are making a foul of yourself here.
Islamic nutters have killed cartoonists. And that didn't scare them. They have gone hard at the Scientologists, who are notorious litigious and pretty powerful lobby in the US. You think they worry about the worst possible scenario is their show goes online only. Come on man....
In fact if Trump did get their show kicked off cable tv, I think they would lean into it...the show that was too hot for tv.....
I don't believe Jessops is making a fool of himself at all, his argument seems perfectly cogent to me based on events. I am not so sure you are on such firm ground.
MP, you and I are agreeing far too much, considering we come from fairly different political perspectives. This must change immediately, preferably before you become a PB Tory!
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
Show me any elected official, let alone a senator, who “openly mocking the victim [Kirk] himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.” I would be very surprised.
In the clip someone posted Kimmel barely said anything about Kirk but focused on Trump’s lack of empathy. It’s not very funny, but neither is it offensive.
The NY Post collated a list of inappropriate comments from elected officials on the day of the shooting, starting with Rep. Ilhan Omar and Gov. JB Pritzker.
🚨Rolling Stone is now confirming what we all knew happened with Jimmy Kimmel’s show. According to their reporting, executives at ABC and Disney didn’t think Kimmel said anything outrageous but they feared retaliation from Trump. This is a blatant attack on free speech.
The problem is, it's NOT a blatant attack on free speech - it's an indirect, ambiguous and relatively subtle attack on free speech. Kimmel wasn't arrested and ABC didn't say "we're doing this because of direct government pressure". The key is deniability to those who just read headlines and don't have time to inquire closely.
This is how freedom dies in countries with long democratic traditions - it's not directly repealed, it's subtly and gradually undermined though whispers behind the scenes and quiet understandings.
🚨Rolling Stone is now confirming what we all knew happened with Jimmy Kimmel’s show. According to their reporting, executives at ABC and Disney didn’t think Kimmel said anything outrageous but they feared retaliation from Trump. This is a blatant attack on free speech.
And that's the truly dangerous bit here. Not that government action directly got the show pulled, or even an explicit threat of it, but an assumed threat.
In teaching, having that sort of reputation is when you have got behaviour sorted, when you don't even need to arch your eyebrow for hush to fall. In the management of a nation, it's blooming scary.
Sometimes, when an organisation or person has too much money or stuff, it weakens them against the government, because it means they have too much to lose. I fear we have reached that place with US media.
The problem is the opposite, the legacy media in the US are in a mess, they are losing big money on these shows and likes of Netflix eat their lunch for lots of other stuff.
The unproven accusation was that Colbert got shit canned because the network his show was on needs to merge with another network to survive and needed to ensure Team Trump weren't pissed off and find a reason to block it. The fact his show was losing them $10 millions a year and lost all its viewers was probably the main factor.
ABC affiliate Sinclair are going even further, and replacing Kimmel’s show on Friday with a tribute to Charlie Kirk, also asking Kimmel to make a public apology and a meaningful donation to Kirk’s family and TPUSA.
Sincair are curious coves at the best of times, though.
A 2019 study by Emory University political scientists Gregory J. Martin and Josh McCrain in the American Political Science Review found that "stations bought by Sinclair reduce coverage of local politics, increase national coverage and move the ideological tone of coverage in a conservative direction relative to other stations operating in the same market".
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
Show me any elected official, let alone a senator, who “openly mocking the victim [Kirk] himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.” I would be very surprised.
In the clip someone posted Kimmel barely said anything about Kirk but focused on Trump’s lack of empathy. It’s not very funny, but neither is it offensive.
The NY Post collated a list of inappropriate comments from elected officials on the day of the shooting, starting with Rep. Ilhan Omar and Gov. JB Pritzker.
It's not unreasonable to take issue with many of Charlie Kirk's positons, while deeply regretting his murder and hoping that the perpetrator is appropriately punished.
Just as you correctly noted that George Floyd was far from being as pure as driven snow.
🚨Rolling Stone is now confirming what we all knew happened with Jimmy Kimmel’s show. According to their reporting, executives at ABC and Disney didn’t think Kimmel said anything outrageous but they feared retaliation from Trump. This is a blatant attack on free speech.
The problem is, it's NOT a blatant attack on free speech - it's an indirect, ambiguous and relatively subtle attack on free speech. Kimmel wasn't arrested and ABC didn't say "we're doing this because of direct government pressure". The key is deniability to those who don't have time to inquire closely.
This is how freedom dies in countries with long democratic traditions - it's not directly repealed, it's subtly and gradually undermined though whispers behind the scenes and quiet understandings.
On a more positive note, Ukranians have noticed that the Queen and First Lady were wearing blue and yellow dresses respectively to last night’s State dinner.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
Show me any elected official, let alone a senator, who “openly mocking the victim [Kirk] himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.” I would be very surprised.
In the clip someone posted Kimmel barely said anything about Kirk but focused on Trump’s lack of empathy. It’s not very funny, but neither is it offensive.
The NY Post collated a list of inappropriate comments from elected officials on the day of the shooting, starting with Rep. Ilhan Omar and Gov. JB Pritzker.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
Show me any elected official, let alone a senator, who “openly mocking the victim [Kirk] himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.” I would be very surprised.
In the clip someone posted Kimmel barely said anything about Kirk but focused on Trump’s lack of empathy. It’s not very funny, but neither is it offensive.
The NY Post collated a list of inappropriate comments from elected officials on the day of the shooting, starting with Rep. Ilhan Omar and Gov. JB Pritzker.
Most of those are criticising what Kirk said or the violent political rhetoric
This wasn’t appropriate:
“A lot of good people died today. Charlie Kirk wasn’t one of them,” Michael Kilbane, city council president of Fairview Park, Ohio, wrote in a ghoulish Facebook post. but he doesn’t sound like a big fish.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
That's bizarre logic - "this show has no history of self-censorship, therefore this must be self-censorship".
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
Show me any elected official, let alone a senator, who “openly mocking the victim [Kirk] himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.” I would be very surprised.
In the clip someone posted Kimmel barely said anything about Kirk but focused on Trump’s lack of empathy. It’s not very funny, but neither is it offensive.
The NY Post collated a list of inappropriate comments from elected officials on the day of the shooting, starting with Rep. Ilhan Omar and Gov. JB Pritzker.
It's not unreasonable to take issue with many of Charlie Kirk's positons, while deeply regretting his murder and hoping that the perpetrator is appropriately punished.
Just as you correctly noted that George Floyd was far from being as pure as driven snow.
I personally don’t understand anyone celebrating a murder, or inded saying anything more than it’s a horrible event and offering prayers and support to the family of the deceased.
There’s two American killings that have really made me wake up this year. The murder of Charlie Kirk is one, and the murder of Brian Thompson the other. No-one ever deserves to be assasinated in this way, and the reaction to these two killings in particular has been astonishing to witness.
🚨Rolling Stone is now confirming what we all knew happened with Jimmy Kimmel’s show. According to their reporting, executives at ABC and Disney didn’t think Kimmel said anything outrageous but they feared retaliation from Trump. This is a blatant attack on free speech.
The problem is, it's NOT a blatant attack on free speech - it's an indirect, ambiguous and relatively subtle attack on free speech. Kimmel wasn't arrested and ABC didn't say "we're doing this because of direct government pressure". The key is deniability to those who just read headlines and don't have time to inquire closely.
This is how freedom dies in countries with long democratic traditions - it's not directly repealed, it's subtly and gradually undermined though whispers behind the scenes and quiet understandings.
In the same way that discontent with years of Tory failure, followed by a year in which Labour timidity has failed to offer hope of turning things around, is cynically being projected onto immigrants, who are clearly not responsible for the many problems our country faces.
History may not repeat itself, but it certainly has the rhyming habit.
On a more positive note, Ukranians have noticed that the Queen and First Lady were wearing blue and yellow dresses respectively to last night’s State dinner.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump or Trump in bed with the devil. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
As for being cancelled, in general I doubt they worry about that. a) they are still funny and b) very popular and c) a huge contract with the tv company. It is how Jimmy Carr can keep getting "cancelled" and coming back. It when you stop being funny and your popularity goes (or isn't that great), then the industry is very quick to distant themselves.
The first rule of comedy is that it has to be funny. The more “edgy” the comedy, and the more controversial the subject matter, the funnier it needs to be.
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If the first rule of comedy is "it has to be funny", then the second has to be "You cannot amuse everyone."
Just because you don't find something funny, doesn't mean other people do not. And humour can also be used to tell grander truths - which is often where 'edginess' comes into it, if done well.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
Show me any elected official, let alone a senator, who “openly mocking the victim [Kirk] himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.” I would be very surprised.
In the clip someone posted Kimmel barely said anything about Kirk but focused on Trump’s lack of empathy. It’s not very funny, but neither is it offensive.
The NY Post collated a list of inappropriate comments from elected officials on the day of the shooting, starting with Rep. Ilhan Omar and Gov. JB Pritzker.
It's not unreasonable to take issue with many of Charlie Kirk's positons, while deeply regretting his murder and hoping that the perpetrator is appropriately punished.
Just as you correctly noted that George Floyd was far from being as pure as driven snow.
I personally don’t understand anyone celebrating a murder, or inded saying anything more than it’s a horrible event and offering prayers and support to the family of the deceased.
There’s two American killings that have really made me wake up this year. The murder of Charlie Kirk is one, and the murder of Brian Thompson the other. No-one ever deserves to be assasinated in this way, and the reaction to these two killings in particular has been astonishing to witness.
Just checking the till here Sandpit - I think you're short a couple of recent political assassinations (and the reaction to those)...
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
Those people who are defending Lucy Connelly. I understand that Starmer is expected to take a beating from Trump today based on an interview I heard with the top dog at Republicans Abroad, Greg Something-or-other saying something like "the imprisonment of Lucy Connolly for her opinions run contrary to the First Amendment, something that we Americans take as sacrosanct, in fact if we hadn't had the First Amendment we wouldn't have had the Second, Third, Fourth..."*
*My precis, but I kid you not, that is more-or-less what he said.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
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So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
There's never been this environment before.
If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".
No Muslims had the capability to force them off the air. Trump and the Republicans do, and have been wielding that power.
I think you are really overplaying this. Some people who didn't worry about the possibility of radical Islamist nutters coming at them, are worried about Trump. Come on.
But lets imagine Trump got one of the most popular tv shows shit canned.
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Why not? For Trump it's all about power, isn't it? His supporters would love it, even if they like South Park. A strong president, doing strong things.
And yes, the 'Islamic nutters' did not have the same sort of power that the Trump and the Republicans have at the moment.
I think you are making a foul of yourself here.
Islamic nutters have killed cartoonists. And that didn't scare them. They have gone hard at the Scientologists, who are notorious litigious and pretty powerful lobby in the US. You think they worry about the worst possible scenario is their show goes online only. Come on man....
In fact if Trump did get their show kicked off cable tv, I think they would lean into it...the show that was too hot for tv.....
I don't believe Jessops is making a fool of himself at all, his argument seems perfectly cogent to me based on events. I am not so sure you are on such firm ground.
MP, you and I are agreeing far too much, considering we come from fairly different political perspectives. This must change immediately, preferably before you become a PB Tory!
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
Show me any elected official, let alone a senator, who “openly mocking the victim [Kirk] himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.” I would be very surprised.
In the clip someone posted Kimmel barely said anything about Kirk but focused on Trump’s lack of empathy. It’s not very funny, but neither is it offensive.
The NY Post collated a list of inappropriate comments from elected officials on the day of the shooting, starting with Rep. Ilhan Omar and Gov. JB Pritzker.
It's not unreasonable to take issue with many of Charlie Kirk's positons, while deeply regretting his murder and hoping that the perpetrator is appropriately punished.
Just as you correctly noted that George Floyd was far from being as pure as driven snow.
I personally don’t understand anyone celebrating a murder, or inded saying anything more than it’s a horrible event and offering prayers and support to the family of the deceased.
There’s two American killings that have really made me wake up this year. The murder of Charlie Kirk is one, and the murder of Brian Thompson the other. No-one ever deserves to be assasinated in this way, and the reaction to these two killings in particular has been astonishing to witness.
Yes, but who has "celebrated a murder" over Charlie Kirk?
And highlighting Kirk's statements on the acceptability of gun violence, that empathy is a bad thing, that black people Muslims and women are inferior etc is just highlighting his teachings and illustrating who he was.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
Those people who are defending Lucy Connelly. I understand that Starmer is expected to take a beating from Trump today based on an interview I heard with the top dog at Republicans Abroad, Greg Something-or-other saying something like "the imprisonment of Lucy Connolly for her opinions run contrary to the First Amendment, something that we Americans take as sacrosanct, in fact if we hadn't had the First Amendment we wouldn't have had the Second, Third, Fourth..."*
*My precis, but I kid you not, that is more-or-less what he said.
Connolly.
It looks like I hedged my bets and referred to her both as "Connelly" and "Connolly". Perhaps if I had stuck with Queen of all our hearts I would have been in safer ground.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
Those people who are defending Lucy Connelly. I understand that Starmer is expected to take a beating from Trump today based on an interview I heard with the top dog at Republicans Abroad, Greg Something-or-other saying something like "the imprisonment of Lucy Connolly for her opinions run contrary to the First Amendment, something that we Americans take as sacrosanct, in fact if we hadn't had the First Amendment we wouldn't have had the Second, Third, Fourth..."*
*My precis, but I kid you not, that is more-or-less what he said.
Connolly.
It looks like I hedged my bets and referred to her both as "Connelly" and "Connolly". Perhaps if I had stuck with Queen of all our hearts I would have been in safer ground.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
Show me any elected official, let alone a senator, who “openly mocking the victim [Kirk] himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.” I would be very surprised.
In the clip someone posted Kimmel barely said anything about Kirk but focused on Trump’s lack of empathy. It’s not very funny, but neither is it offensive.
The NY Post collated a list of inappropriate comments from elected officials on the day of the shooting, starting with Rep. Ilhan Omar and Gov. JB Pritzker.
It's not unreasonable to take issue with many of Charlie Kirk's positons, while deeply regretting his murder and hoping that the perpetrator is appropriately punished.
Just as you correctly noted that George Floyd was far from being as pure as driven snow.
I personally don’t understand anyone celebrating a murder, or inded saying anything more than it’s a horrible event and offering prayers and support to the family of the deceased.
There’s two American killings that have really made me wake up this year. The murder of Charlie Kirk is one, and the murder of Brian Thompson the other. No-one ever deserves to be assasinated in this way, and the reaction to these two killings in particular has been astonishing to witness.
Yes, but who has "celebrated a murder" over Charlie Kirk?
And highlighting Kirk's statements on the acceptability of gun violence, that empathy is a bad thing, that black people Muslims and women are inferior etc is just highlighting his teachings and illustrating who he was.
It’s the same group of people celebrating both murders, the online left, and the Charlie quotes you mention are all a long way out of context, deliberately so to try and paint him in a negative light - before his body is even cold.
He was a middle-of-the-road conservative Christian youth movement leader, who believed in marriage and didn’t believe in abortion.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
Thank goodness the news media is doing such a marvellous job of holding the douche bag to account.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
Show me any elected official, let alone a senator, who “openly mocking the victim [Kirk] himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.” I would be very surprised.
In the clip someone posted Kimmel barely said anything about Kirk but focused on Trump’s lack of empathy. It’s not very funny, but neither is it offensive.
The NY Post collated a list of inappropriate comments from elected officials on the day of the shooting, starting with Rep. Ilhan Omar and Gov. JB Pritzker.
It's not unreasonable to take issue with many of Charlie Kirk's positons, while deeply regretting his murder and hoping that the perpetrator is appropriately punished.
Just as you correctly noted that George Floyd was far from being as pure as driven snow.
I personally don’t understand anyone celebrating a murder, or inded saying anything more than it’s a horrible event and offering prayers and support to the family of the deceased.
There’s two American killings that have really made me wake up this year. The murder of Charlie Kirk is one, and the murder of Brian Thompson the other. No-one ever deserves to be assasinated in this way, and the reaction to these two killings in particular has been astonishing to witness.
I'm sure some people have rejoiced in Kirk's murder. Just as some argued that George Floyd got what he deserved.
But the vast majority of people who are critical of his views have not voiced support for his death.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
Show me any elected official, let alone a senator, who “openly mocking the victim [Kirk] himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.” I would be very surprised.
In the clip someone posted Kimmel barely said anything about Kirk but focused on Trump’s lack of empathy. It’s not very funny, but neither is it offensive.
The NY Post collated a list of inappropriate comments from elected officials on the day of the shooting, starting with Rep. Ilhan Omar and Gov. JB Pritzker.
It's not unreasonable to take issue with many of Charlie Kirk's positons, while deeply regretting his murder and hoping that the perpetrator is appropriately punished.
Just as you correctly noted that George Floyd was far from being as pure as driven snow.
I personally don’t understand anyone celebrating a murder, or inded saying anything more than it’s a horrible event and offering prayers and support to the family of the deceased.
There’s two American killings that have really made me wake up this year. The murder of Charlie Kirk is one, and the murder of Brian Thompson the other. No-one ever deserves to be assasinated in this way, and the reaction to these two killings in particular has been astonishing to witness.
Yes, but who has "celebrated a murder" over Charlie Kirk?
And highlighting Kirk's statements on the acceptability of gun violence, that empathy is a bad thing, that black people Muslims and women are inferior etc is just highlighting his teachings and illustrating who he was.
A simple question for those on the right . Would the Trump administration be going after people if the situation was reversed . We all know the answer , the rights so called defence of free speech is a sham .
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
Show me any elected official, let alone a senator, who “openly mocking the victim [Kirk] himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.” I would be very surprised.
In the clip someone posted Kimmel barely said anything about Kirk but focused on Trump’s lack of empathy. It’s not very funny, but neither is it offensive.
The NY Post collated a list of inappropriate comments from elected officials on the day of the shooting, starting with Rep. Ilhan Omar and Gov. JB Pritzker.
It's not unreasonable to take issue with many of Charlie Kirk's positons, while deeply regretting his murder and hoping that the perpetrator is appropriately punished.
Just as you correctly noted that George Floyd was far from being as pure as driven snow.
I personally don’t understand anyone celebrating a murder, or inded saying anything more than it’s a horrible event and offering prayers and support to the family of the deceased.
There’s two American killings that have really made me wake up this year. The murder of Charlie Kirk is one, and the murder of Brian Thompson the other. No-one ever deserves to be assasinated in this way, and the reaction to these two killings in particular has been astonishing to witness.
Yes, but who has "celebrated a murder" over Charlie Kirk?
And highlighting Kirk's statements on the acceptability of gun violence, that empathy is a bad thing, that black people Muslims and women are inferior etc is just highlighting his teachings and illustrating who he was.
It’s the same group of people celebrating both murders, the online left, and the Charlie quotes you mention are all a long way out of context, deliberately so to try and paint him in a negative light - before his body is even cold.
He was a middle-of-the-road conservative Christian youth movement leader, who believed in marriage and didn’t believe in abortion.
It's the George W Bush quote again:
"Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples, while judging ourselves by our best intentions."
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
Show me any elected official, let alone a senator, who “openly mocking the victim [Kirk] himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.” I would be very surprised.
In the clip someone posted Kimmel barely said anything about Kirk but focused on Trump’s lack of empathy. It’s not very funny, but neither is it offensive.
The NY Post collated a list of inappropriate comments from elected officials on the day of the shooting, starting with Rep. Ilhan Omar and Gov. JB Pritzker.
It's not unreasonable to take issue with many of Charlie Kirk's positons, while deeply regretting his murder and hoping that the perpetrator is appropriately punished.
Just as you correctly noted that George Floyd was far from being as pure as driven snow.
I personally don’t understand anyone celebrating a murder, or inded saying anything more than it’s a horrible event and offering prayers and support to the family of the deceased.
There’s two American killings that have really made me wake up this year. The murder of Charlie Kirk is one, and the murder of Brian Thompson the other. No-one ever deserves to be assasinated in this way, and the reaction to these two killings in particular has been astonishing to witness.
Yes, but who has "celebrated a murder" over Charlie Kirk?
And highlighting Kirk's statements on the acceptability of gun violence, that empathy is a bad thing, that black people Muslims and women are inferior etc is just highlighting his teachings and illustrating who he was.
It’s the same group of people celebrating both murders, the online left, and the Charlie quotes you mention are all a long way out of context, deliberately so to try and paint him in a negative light - before his body is even cold.
He was a middle-of-the-road conservative Christian youth movement leader, who believed in marriage and didn’t believe in abortion.
Outside of the USA - I wouldn't call anti-abortion in all cases middle of the road Christian.
Kimmel is free to put a show out on bluesky, analogous to what Tucker Carlson did with X after Fox cancelled him for saying whatever. Unless the police have busted down his door in the night and carted him off it's not really analogous to our (The UK) situation.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
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So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
That's bizarre logic - "this show has no history of self-censorship, therefore this must be self-censorship".
They made an episode where Cartman tries to become a "Master Debater" in the style of Charlie Kirk. It was a coincidence and they pulled it out of respect. The BBC would do the same thing in that context.
Cancel culture good when it’s being done by people we agree with, bad when it isn’t.
Perhaps those bleating now should have opposed it when people were being cancelled for views they don’t like, such as the tedious gender wars.
Can’t grumble when the other side pops up and does the same. You enabled it in the first place.
This is true. I don't support cancelling Jimmy Kimmel, or anyone else, full stop. People who champion freedom of speech but are OK with cancelling people they disagree with are being hypocritical.
However, as you suggest, there is an equal and opposite hypocrisy in those objecting to the cancelling of Kimmel but who have denied or dismissed cancel culture previously.
A Home Office-backed charity is providing migrants with a step-by-step guide that could help them thwart Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” migrant deal with France.
Current government website guidelines state that “welfare services” must provide migrants held in removal centres with a “notebook” produced by Bail for Immigration Detainees (BiD), a charity that provides legal advice to people in detention.
The Telegraph can reveal that BiD, which has received more than £400,000 in Comic Relief donations and which benefits from charitable tax relief, has produced a detailed method that could help migrants to beat the Prime Minister’s flagship policy. The guide includes “template” letters migrants can use and suggestions for how to use legal and human rights arguments to fight deportation.
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Those in the most important positions are five times as likely to have attended private school than the general population, showing it is still possible to “buy advantage”, according to the Sutton Trust.
This was true of a similar proportion of judges, at 62%...Those institutions were also dominant among senior civil servants, with 66% of permanent secretaries being Oxbridge graduates. About a third of charity chief executives were privately educated and a fifth attended Oxbridge, showing that even the third sector is not immune to elitism.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/18/private-schools-educated-most-powerful-jobs
Now about that polling showing Labour doing well amongst the privately educated.
The proportion of family doctors who, although qualified, do not provide care through the NHS has risen from 27% in 2015 to 34% last year, according to a study published in the BMJ.
That means almost 20,000 GPs who could be working in the health service are “lost” to it and are not doing so, despite unprecedented demand for care and many government initiatives to try to increase GP numbers.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/17/one-in-three-gps-in-england-do-not-work-in-nhs-says-bmj-study
Great News for America: The ratings challenged Jimmy Kimmel Show is CANCELLED. Congratulations to ABC for finally having the courage to do what had to be done. Kimmel has ZERO talent, and worse ratings than even Colbert, if that’s possible. That leaves Jimmy and Seth, two total losers, on Fake News NBC. Their ratings are also horrible. Do it NBC!!! President DJT
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115222372625104790
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When migrants use our courts to delay and prevent removals with last-minute and disingenuous claims, it's no longer a system that works for the British people.
We can't accept this and will fight these claims every step of the way."
https://x.com/ShabanaMahmood/status/1968371749344706821
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
Oh…
She can start by defunding all the NGOs and charities paying the lawyers from what are effectively public funds.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Nobody seems to want to think really hard about it. Its either seeing to be doing something or shouting they would fix it in 2 weeks (no detailed plan provided).
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
As for being cancelled, in general I doubt they worry about that. a) they are still funny and b) very popular and c) a huge contract with the tv company. It is how Jimmy Carr can keep getting "cancelled" and coming back. It when you stop being funny and your popularity goes (or isn't that great), then the industry is very quick to distant themselves.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9rzngd9k2o
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
The late night TV hosts stopped being funny a long time ago, turning into the Daily Hate against the president. Kimmel’s pack of lies about the Kirk shooter wasn’t atypical of his content for most of the past decade.
South Park did of course have a Charlie Kirk character a few weeks ago, turning up and calling himself “The Master Debater”. Kirk himself leaned into the joke, and was proud that SP based a character on him, much to the annoyance of leftists who wanted him to be angry about the portrayal. But Charlie Kirk wasn’t an angry man, he was a decent man who enjoyed talking to people.
As for Lee, look it up. It's quite a simple Google.
Just because you don't find something funny, doesn't mean other people do not. And humour can also be used to tell grander truths - which is often where 'edginess' comes into it, if done well.
Having them in America, just a few months before the presidential election, and with a government that is increasingly anti-foreigner, may prove to be a big mistake.
As one example, I can easily see them blocking some foreign athletes from entering because of some bogus 'reasons', such as something said on social media.
So Kimmel is taken off the air for showing a clip of Trump not giving a shit about Charlie Kirk and calling it for what it is. Gotcha
Here's the clip
https://x.com/jason_kint/status/1968456521353756883
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/17/melissa-hortman-mike-lee-minnesota
https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2025/06/17/sen-mike-lee-takes-down-x-posts-after-widespread-criticism/
But lets imagine Trump got one of the most popular tv shows shit canned.
They have their own website to show these shows, they could put them on YouTube. They have made stupid money, their show is cheap to make, they do all the voices, they regularly make episodes in a single work week, they don't need celebs on the show like the Late nights, they can't be "cancelled". And they have just spent the past month going harder than ever on Trump. Last time, its was they used an existing character to poke fun at him, this time its direct Trump is in the show.
The remarks weren’t “about Charlie Kirk,” they were about how this administration is using Kirk’s death as an excuse to shut down critics … and they responded by proving him completely correct.
https://bsky.app/profile/kevinmkruse.bsky.social/post/3lz2vt3zgic2r
https://www.bma.org.uk/bma-media-centre/gp-unemployment-crisis-set-to-deepen-bma-warns-government
Over recent years and both Labour and Conservative governments this problem has worsened. There has been both a massive demand for GP appointments coupled with a GP unemployment crisis. Around half of newly qualified GPs fail to get a job in the speciality.
And yes, the 'Islamic nutters' did not have the same sort of power that the Trump and the Republicans have at the moment.
I am very much in the former group. The govenment* terrifies me far more than any Islamist nutter.
* Any government really
The 36 rules out family birthdays (or any dates) and the range looks too big for children's ages but not big enough for parents' and children's ages. All are divisible by three, except for 7, and the last four go up in 6s but not the first two. With millions of players, there must be occasional coincidences but that seems a lame explanation.
Islamic nutters have killed cartoonists. And that didn't scare them. They have gone hard at the Scientologists, who are notorious litigious and pretty powerful lobby in the US. You think they worry about the worst possible scenario is their show goes online only. Come on man....
In fact if Trump did get their show kicked off cable tv, I think they would lean into it...the show that was too hot for tv.....
As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.
In the clip someone posted Kimmel barely said anything about Kirk but focused on Trump’s lack of empathy. It’s not very funny, but neither is it offensive.
That is an assumption, and it is far from 'clearly'. AIUI South Park do not often pull episodes at the last moment, and have thrived on being edgy. What has changed is the media environment and the "free speech" right canning people they don't like. I think you are wrong when you discount that environment.
But agree to disagree.
🚨Rolling Stone is now confirming what we all knew happened with Jimmy Kimmel’s show. According to their reporting, executives at ABC and Disney didn’t think Kimmel said anything outrageous but they feared retaliation from Trump. This is a blatant attack on free speech.
https://x.com/harryjsisson/status/1968490483224633624
The absurdity of JD Vance coming to Europe to lecture us on the death of free speech is laid bare. The Trump appointed head of Federal Communications Commission threatens ABC’s licence over his mild Kirk comments and Kimmel is gone. Free speech? Pah.
https://x.com/jonsopel/status/1968544831929729433
*My precis, but I kid you not, that is more-or-less what he said.
But the comments he did make got a reaction from a group of ABC affiliate stations who are fed up with him, thinking it inappropriate to make jokes about a recent murder in the first place.
https://x.com/variety/status/1968446383591211212
“IRVING, TX (Sept. 17, 2025)—Nexstar Media Group, Inc. (NASDAQ: NXST), today announced that the company’s owned and partner television stations affiliated with the ABC Television Network will preempt “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” for the foreseeable future beginning with tonight’s show. Nexstar strongly objects to recent comments made by Mr. Kimmel concerning the killing of Charlie Kirk and will replace the show with other programming in its ABC-affiliated markets.
“Mr. Kimmel’s comments about the death of Mr. Kirk are offensive and insensitive at a critical time in our national political discourse, and we do not believe they reflect the spectrum of opinions, views, or values of the local communities in which we are located,” said Andrew Alford, President of Nexstar’s broadcasting division. “Continuing to give Mr. Kimmel a broadcast platform in the communities we serve is simply not in the public interest at the current time, and we have made the difficult decision to preempt his show in an effort to let cooler heads prevail as we move toward the resumption of respectful, constructive dialogue.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9rzngd9k2o
Traitor.
The countries where comedians can't mock the leader on late night TV are not really ones you want to live in.
https://x.com/chrislhayes/status/1968442469994864861
“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
Looks like that belief is going to be tested to destruction.
Meanwhile, KC3 was an outstanding host. It's going well, so far ......
This is almost eight years before the release of ChatGPT.
What's also amazing is that this was two years before the breakthrough that is transformer architecture, and the use of multidimensional matrices to store tokens that are words (or portions of words) rather than individual letters.
Everything Andrej does is reproducable at home.
https://x.com/wearesinclair/status/1968471160359645658
In teaching, having that sort of reputation is when you have got behaviour sorted, when you don't even need to arch your eyebrow for hush to fall. In the management of a nation, it's blooming scary.
Sometimes, when an organisation or person has too much money or stuff, it weakens them against the government, because it means they have too much to lose. I fear we have reached that place with US media.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/11/us-news/rep-ilhan-omar-cruelly-stomps-on-conservative-activist-charlie-kirks-legacy-full-of-s/
This is how freedom dies in countries with long democratic traditions - it's not directly repealed, it's subtly and gradually undermined though whispers behind the scenes and quiet understandings.
The unproven accusation was that Colbert got shit canned because the network his show was on needs to merge with another network to survive and needed to ensure Team Trump weren't pissed off and find a reason to block it. The fact his show was losing them $10 millions a year and lost all its viewers was probably the main factor.
A 2019 study by Emory University political scientists Gregory J. Martin and Josh McCrain in the American Political Science Review found that "stations bought by Sinclair reduce coverage of local politics, increase national coverage and move the ideological tone of coverage in a conservative direction relative to other stations operating in the same market".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group
Just as you correctly noted that George Floyd was far from being as pure as driven snow.
https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1968412346155475241
Presumably you have better examples.
This wasn’t appropriate:
“A lot of good people died today. Charlie Kirk wasn’t one of them,” Michael Kilbane, city council president of Fairview Park, Ohio, wrote in a ghoulish Facebook post. but he doesn’t sound like a big fish.
There’s two American killings that have really made me wake up this year. The murder of Charlie Kirk is one, and the murder of Brian Thompson the other. No-one ever deserves to be assasinated in this way, and the reaction to these two killings in particular has been astonishing to witness.
History may not repeat itself, but it certainly has the rhyming habit.
https://bsky.app/profile/dieworkwear.bsky.social/post/3lz3huj35g22c
Incidentally, the guru of male tailoring did a superbly well dressed obituary of Robert Redford:
https://bsky.app/profile/dieworkwear.bsky.social/post/3lyxyeikz6k27
if you paid attention in history class, you remember very specifically what chapter of the textbook were in right now
https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states
‘The first rule of comedy, Spike’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk3lcEeoEy8
And highlighting Kirk's statements on the acceptability of gun violence, that empathy is a bad thing, that black people Muslims and women are inferior etc is just highlighting his teachings and illustrating who he was.
You seem somewhat obsessed with her.
He was a middle-of-the-road conservative Christian youth movement leader, who believed in marriage and didn’t believe in abortion.
Perhaps those bleating now should have opposed it when people were being cancelled for views they don’t like, such as the tedious gender wars.
Can’t grumble when the other side pops up and does the same. You enabled it in the first place.
But the vast majority of people who are critical of his views have not voiced support for his death.
"Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples, while judging ourselves by our best intentions."
What's [sic] your favorite [sic] tech innovation?
Illegal cab company - 16%
Illegal hotel chain - 15%
Fake money for criminals - 32%
Plagiarism machine - 35%
Too bad they didn't include Venting machine for loud-mouthed cretins as I think Twitter deserved to win.
However, as you suggest, there is an equal and opposite hypocrisy in those objecting to the cancelling of Kimmel but who have denied or dismissed cancel culture previously.
Oh wait, it’s never! Who the fuck are these ‘charities’?!