The privately educated are tightening their “vice-like grip” on some of the most powerful and influential roles in British society, such as FTSE 100 chairs, newspaper columnists and BBC executives, a report has found.
Those in the most important positions are five times as likely to have attended private school than the general population, showing it is still possible to “buy advantage”, according to the Sutton Trust.
This was true of a similar proportion of judges, at 62%...Those institutions were also dominant among senior civil servants, with 66% of permanent secretaries being Oxbridge graduates. About a third of charity chief executives were privately educated and a fifth attended Oxbridge, showing that even the third sector is not immune to elitism.
One in three GPs in England do not work in the NHS, with increasing numbers seeking to move abroad or becoming a private contractor, deepening patients’ difficulties in getting appointments.
The proportion of family doctors who, although qualified, do not provide care through the NHS has risen from 27% in 2015 to 34% last year, according to a study published in the BMJ.
That means almost 20,000 GPs who could be working in the health service are “lost” to it and are not doing so, despite unprecedented demand for care and many government initiatives to try to increase GP numbers.
Trump got his mind on important issues while in the UK....
Great News for America: The ratings challenged Jimmy Kimmel Show is CANCELLED. Congratulations to ABC for finally having the courage to do what had to be done. Kimmel has ZERO talent, and worse ratings than even Colbert, if that’s possible. That leaves Jimmy and Seth, two total losers, on Fake News NBC. Their ratings are also horrible. Do it NBC!!! President DJT
A Home Office-backed charity is providing migrants with a step-by-step guide that could help them thwart Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” migrant deal with France.
Current government website guidelines state that “welfare services” must provide migrants held in removal centres with a “notebook” produced by Bail for Immigration Detainees (BiD), a charity that provides legal advice to people in detention.
The Telegraph can reveal that BiD, which has received more than £400,000 in Comic Relief donations and which benefits from charitable tax relief, has produced a detailed method that could help migrants to beat the Prime Minister’s flagship policy. The guide includes “template” letters migrants can use and suggestions for how to use legal and human rights arguments to fight deportation.
I was appointed as Home Secretary to secure our borders. I will do whatever it takes.
Quote Home Office @ukhomeoffice · 8h When migrants use our courts to delay and prevent removals with last-minute and disingenuous claims, it's no longer a system that works for the British people.
We can't accept this and will fight these claims every step of the way."
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
The privately educated are tightening their “vice-like grip” on some of the most powerful and influential roles in British society, such as FTSE 100 chairs, newspaper columnists and BBC executives, a report has found.
Those in the most important positions are five times as likely to have attended private school than the general population, showing it is still possible to “buy advantage”, according to the Sutton Trust.
This was true of a similar proportion of judges, at 62%...Those institutions were also dominant among senior civil servants, with 66% of permanent secretaries being Oxbridge graduates. About a third of charity chief executives were privately educated and a fifth attended Oxbridge, showing that even the third sector is not immune to elitism.
I was appointed as Home Secretary to secure our borders. I will do whatever it takes.
Quote Home Office @ukhomeoffice · 8h When migrants use our courts to delay and prevent removals with last-minute and disingenuous claims, it's no longer a system that works for the British people.
We can't accept this and will fight these claims every step of the way."
LOL, there’s definitely not going to be hundreds of quotes out there saying exactly the oppsite when she was in opposition to a Conservative government.
She can start by defunding all the NGOs and charities paying the lawyers from what are effectively public funds.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
I was appointed as Home Secretary to secure our borders. I will do whatever it takes.
Quote Home Office @ukhomeoffice · 8h When migrants use our courts to delay and prevent removals with last-minute and disingenuous claims, it's no longer a system that works for the British people.
We can't accept this and will fight these claims every step of the way."
LOL, there’s definitely not going to be hundreds of quotes out there saying exactly the oppsite when she was in opposition to a Conservative government.
She can start by defunding all the NGOs and charities paying the lawyers from what are effectively public funds.
The Home Office should not be fighting these cases. The government should accept these loopholes or change the law. It is the government. It can do that.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I was appointed as Home Secretary to secure our borders. I will do whatever it takes.
Quote Home Office @ukhomeoffice · 8h When migrants use our courts to delay and prevent removals with last-minute and disingenuous claims, it's no longer a system that works for the British people.
We can't accept this and will fight these claims every step of the way."
LOL, there’s definitely not going to be hundreds of quotes out there saying exactly the oppsite when she was in opposition to a Conservative government.
She can start by defunding all the NGOs and charities paying the lawyers from what are effectively public funds.
The Home Office should not be fighting these cases. The government should accept these loopholes or change the law. It is the government. It can do that.
IANAL, but surely if they fight the loophole and win, then a legal precedent has been set that has effectively shut that loophole? Whereas 'changing the law' in a broad-brush approach will just create loads more potential loopholes?
I was appointed as Home Secretary to secure our borders. I will do whatever it takes.
Quote Home Office @ukhomeoffice · 8h When migrants use our courts to delay and prevent removals with last-minute and disingenuous claims, it's no longer a system that works for the British people.
We can't accept this and will fight these claims every step of the way."
LOL, there’s definitely not going to be hundreds of quotes out there saying exactly the oppsite when she was in opposition to a Conservative government.
She can start by defunding all the NGOs and charities paying the lawyers from what are effectively public funds.
The Home Office should not be fighting these cases. The government should accept these loopholes or change the law. It is the government. It can do that.
IANAL, but surely if they fight the loophole and win, then a legal precedent has been set that has effectively shut that loophole? Whereas 'changing the law' in a broad-brush approach will just create loads more potential loopholes?
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
I was appointed as Home Secretary to secure our borders. I will do whatever it takes.
Quote Home Office @ukhomeoffice · 8h When migrants use our courts to delay and prevent removals with last-minute and disingenuous claims, it's no longer a system that works for the British people.
We can't accept this and will fight these claims every step of the way."
LOL, there’s definitely not going to be hundreds of quotes out there saying exactly the oppsite when she was in opposition to a Conservative government.
She can start by defunding all the NGOs and charities paying the lawyers from what are effectively public funds.
The Home Office should not be fighting these cases. The government should accept these loopholes or change the law. It is the government. It can do that.
IANAL, but surely if they fight the loophole and win, then a legal precedent has been set that has effectively shut that loophole? Whereas 'changing the law' in a broad-brush approach will just create loads more potential loopholes?
The core problem is that a number of laws have been interpreted in a very wide ranging manner. So even if the government wins on one of these "reasons", yet another keeps popping up. You are right though some kneejerk reaction law probably would open up another set of loopholes.
Nobody seems to want to think really hard about it. Its either seeing to be doing something or shouting they would fix it in 2 weeks (no detailed plan provided).
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump or Trump in bed with the devil. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
As for being cancelled, in general I doubt they worry about that. a) they are still funny and b) very popular and c) a huge contract with the tv company. It is how Jimmy Carr can keep getting "cancelled" and coming back. It when you stop being funny and your popularity goes (or isn't that great), then the industry is very quick to distant themselves.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump or Trump in bed with the devil. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
As for being cancelled, in general I doubt they worry about that. a) they are still funny and b) very popular and c) a huge contract with the tv company. It is how Jimmy Carr can keep getting "cancelled" and coming back. It when you stop being funny and your popularity goes (or isn't that great), then the industry is very quick to distant themselves.
The first rule of comedy is that it has to be funny. The more “edgy” the comedy, and the more controversial the subject matter, the funnier it needs to be.
The late night TV hosts stopped being funny a long time ago, turning into the Daily Hate against the president. Kimmel’s pack of lies about the Kirk shooter wasn’t atypical of his content for most of the past decade.
South Park did of course have a Charlie Kirk character a few weeks ago, turning up and calling himself “The Master Debater”. Kirk himself leaned into the joke, and was proud that SP based a character on him, much to the annoyance of leftists who wanted him to be angry about the portrayal. But Charlie Kirk wasn’t an angry man, he was a decent man who enjoyed talking to people.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
LOL. You're calling me a troll?
As for Lee, look it up. It's quite a simple Google.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump or Trump in bed with the devil. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
As for being cancelled, in general I doubt they worry about that. a) they are still funny and b) very popular and c) a huge contract with the tv company. It is how Jimmy Carr can keep getting "cancelled" and coming back. It when you stop being funny and your popularity goes (or isn't that great), then the industry is very quick to distant themselves.
The first rule of comedy is that it has to be funny. The more “edgy” the comedy, and the more controversial the subject matter, the funnier it needs to be.
(Snip)
If the first rule of comedy is "it has to be funny", then the second has to be "You cannot amuse everyone."
Just because you don't find something funny, doesn't mean other people do not. And humour can also be used to tell grander truths - which is often where 'edginess' comes into it, if done well.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
On a slightly different matter, here's a very long-term prediction: the 2028 Olympics from LA are going to be an absolute shitshow, particularly if things continue politically in the USA the way they are.
Having them in America, just a few months before the presidential election, and with a government that is increasingly anti-foreigner, may prove to be a big mistake.
As one example, I can easily see them blocking some foreign athletes from entering because of some bogus 'reasons', such as something said on social media.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
There must be more to it that wasn’t part of that clip
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
There's never been this environment before.
If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
It may be unfunny, but aren’t you a little uncomfortable about the President coercing the media?
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
There's never been this environment before.
If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".
No Muslims had the capability to force them off the air. Trump and the Republicans do, and have been wielding that power.
The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.
Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.
The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?
The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.
It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...
Lies from whom?
The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.
I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?
No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.
There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.
(Snip)
So you are making an assumption about what's going on.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.
I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.
There's never been this environment before.
If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".
No Muslims had the capability to force them off the air. Trump and the Republicans do, and have been wielding that power.
I think you are really overplaying this. But lets imagine Trump got one of the most popular tv shows shit canned. They have their own website to show these shows, they could put them on YouTube. They have made stupid money. They can't be "cancelled". They have just spent the past month going harder than ever on Trump.
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Those in the most important positions are five times as likely to have attended private school than the general population, showing it is still possible to “buy advantage”, according to the Sutton Trust.
This was true of a similar proportion of judges, at 62%...Those institutions were also dominant among senior civil servants, with 66% of permanent secretaries being Oxbridge graduates. About a third of charity chief executives were privately educated and a fifth attended Oxbridge, showing that even the third sector is not immune to elitism.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/18/private-schools-educated-most-powerful-jobs
Now about that polling showing Labour doing well amongst the privately educated.
The proportion of family doctors who, although qualified, do not provide care through the NHS has risen from 27% in 2015 to 34% last year, according to a study published in the BMJ.
That means almost 20,000 GPs who could be working in the health service are “lost” to it and are not doing so, despite unprecedented demand for care and many government initiatives to try to increase GP numbers.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/17/one-in-three-gps-in-england-do-not-work-in-nhs-says-bmj-study
Great News for America: The ratings challenged Jimmy Kimmel Show is CANCELLED. Congratulations to ABC for finally having the courage to do what had to be done. Kimmel has ZERO talent, and worse ratings than even Colbert, if that’s possible. That leaves Jimmy and Seth, two total losers, on Fake News NBC. Their ratings are also horrible. Do it NBC!!! President DJT
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115222372625104790
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I was appointed as Home Secretary to secure our borders. I will do whatever it takes.
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When migrants use our courts to delay and prevent removals with last-minute and disingenuous claims, it's no longer a system that works for the British people.
We can't accept this and will fight these claims every step of the way."
https://x.com/ShabanaMahmood/status/1968371749344706821
These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.
As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.
The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.
Oh…
She can start by defunding all the NGOs and charities paying the lawyers from what are effectively public funds.
This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.
It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.
Nobody seems to want to think really hard about it. Its either seeing to be doing something or shouting they would fix it in 2 weeks (no detailed plan provided).
My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.
South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.
As for being cancelled, in general I doubt they worry about that. a) they are still funny and b) very popular and c) a huge contract with the tv company. It is how Jimmy Carr can keep getting "cancelled" and coming back. It when you stop being funny and your popularity goes (or isn't that great), then the industry is very quick to distant themselves.
We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9rzngd9k2o
A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.
Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.
The late night TV hosts stopped being funny a long time ago, turning into the Daily Hate against the president. Kimmel’s pack of lies about the Kirk shooter wasn’t atypical of his content for most of the past decade.
South Park did of course have a Charlie Kirk character a few weeks ago, turning up and calling himself “The Master Debater”. Kirk himself leaned into the joke, and was proud that SP based a character on him, much to the annoyance of leftists who wanted him to be angry about the portrayal. But Charlie Kirk wasn’t an angry man, he was a decent man who enjoyed talking to people.
As for Lee, look it up. It's quite a simple Google.
Just because you don't find something funny, doesn't mean other people do not. And humour can also be used to tell grander truths - which is often where 'edginess' comes into it, if done well.
Having them in America, just a few months before the presidential election, and with a government that is increasingly anti-foreigner, may prove to be a big mistake.
As one example, I can easily see them blocking some foreign athletes from entering because of some bogus 'reasons', such as something said on social media.
So Kimmel is taken off the air for showing a clip of Trump not giving a shit about Charlie Kirk and calling it for what it is. Gotcha
Here's the clip
https://x.com/jason_kint/status/1968456521353756883
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/17/melissa-hortman-mike-lee-minnesota
https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2025/06/17/sen-mike-lee-takes-down-x-posts-after-widespread-criticism/