For Andy Burnham to succeed SKS, he would need to enter parliament. That would require a byelection in a constituency where Reform stood exactly no chance.
What's the odds of that happening on a time horizon that makes him a runner for next Labour leader?
FWIW, I think Burnham would be an improvement over SKS. He's the man to see to it that Labour does not get completely destroyed. But his path to the Leadership is an extremely narrow one. 12% seems about right.
Burnham didn't exactly enthuse the Labour Party when he stood last time.
The idea of becoming leader whilst not exactly enthusing the Party a second time seems....remote.
Albeit, better than the 6% who think Rayner still has a chance. Pfft!
Burnham has honed his political antenna since Labour were kicked out in 2010. He is still a very annoying w@nker mind.
An Irish Grandma, 47 years in the USA on a Green Card and married to a US citizen, detained when returning from a visit to Ireland for a funeral with husband, is now facing deportation for a "crime of moral turpitude", because she bounced a $25 cheque in 2015 - which she subsequently made good. From the Indy:
An Irish grandmother of five, who is married to an American citizen and who has lived in the U.S. on a green card for 47 years, is facing deportation.
Donna Hughes-Brown, 58, was arrested by ICE over a bad check for $25 she passed a decade ago, according to her husband. Born in England the grandmother holds Irish citizenship and first came to the U.S. with her parents and brother aged 11.
She visited the Republic of Ireland earlier this summer for a family funeral, only to be arrested when she returned to Chicago O’Hare International Airport on July 29.
A short vid analysing this, and suggesting where it is going - with an aim of instilling fear. Phil Moorehouse, and I mainly agree with the analysis this time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArXFp-CnswU
I am so glad that we decided not to go to the USA this year, or indeed any other year that moron is in the White House.
I’m toddling off there in November. Houston then LA.
So far no short term business travellers seem to have been caught up. (I think).
Hope you have been more discreet here on PB than I have.
If you "wear a Trump costume on Halloween" that does NOT suggest you are a fan of Trump. It's Halloween,. You dress up as a monster
DERR
Actually that's a British view of Halloween. When I was growing up I was friends with two American boys whose parents were in the military. It used to baffle everyone else that they would dress up as Garfield or Spiderman for Halloween rather than vampires or whatever. They also sent a Valentine's card to everyone in the class including the boys which caused much hilarity.
I resile. You are right and I am wrong, and I am seeing it through the lens of a north London dad. Just did a bit of research, and yes some people simply dress as their heroes (or anything else)
So it is possible he was wearing the Trump costume unironically. But then why kill Kirk, who is a Trumpite?
There was some suggestion on X that Kirk’s killer might be someone embedded in the far right, for whom Kirk has apparently become something of a controversial figure ever since he did a 180 on the Epstein files & suggested that everyone should get over the Trump/Epstein thing and forget about it:
If you were neck deep in the MAGA Epstein conspiracy end of the right, then this might seem like something of a betrayal & as we know there’s nothing worse than an apostate.
I have no idea what the killer̛’s motives actually were, just that it’s not completely implausible that Kirk’s attacker be even more far-right than he was instead of being a leftist. Extremist political infighting is not limited to weird Maoist splinter groups!
We're kind of missing the point here. It doesn't matter that much what his motives were. If he was a hardcore MAGAt, that doesn't mean most hardcore MAGAts are dangerous criminals. If he was a transgendered individual, that doesn't mean most transgendered individuals are dangerous criminals. If he was an antifa supporters, that doesn't mean most antifa supporters are dangerous criminals. Any ideology can attract dangerous, violent individuals, any demographic group can include dangerous, violent individuals, but we shouldn't judge groups by the actions of individuals.
If the US wants to stop people being shot, they need to stop fetishising guns.
Well I don't disagree with your last paragraph. But if antifa isn't explicitly violent it s at least pretty comfortable in violence's neighbourhood. And both Maga and the transactivism movement have an ambivalent relationship to the truth, and both have been known to call for violence to those who diaagree with them.
Prevalence of guns is clearly the big issue. But a culture which threw up fewer nutters with vuolent tendencies and fewer for whom objective truth was not necessarily massively important would also be a big help.
I know I'm going to sound dangerous naive, but does Antifa actually exist?
Labour find it really difficult to remove their leaders. Corbyn was astonishingly useless (at least for those who had understandably not paid any attention to his career) and lost an election and they still couldn't get rid of him. Starmer is a sitting PM and he's not going anywhere unless he chooses to do so.
His judgement is shite. This is not news. Everyone knew this when they chose him. But he is PM and will not want to stand down on any terms other than his own.
Did everyone know Starmer’s judgement was shite when they chose him? Pretty sure there was a period when folk thought there might be a teeny bit of sunshine peeping out of his fundament - businesslike rational, efficient, non ideological were all terms I recall being in play.
I have disliked him since I first saw him, but I thought he would be boringly competent as PM. Think I was just trying to balance out my POV of him as a charisma free dullard
It wouldn't be what I would have said but in a World where JD Vance says Tommeh can say what he likes but it would appear Lancashire Councillors can't.
That's going to be fun (I think she should probably have stood her ground, as an Independent, even though the comments were quite personalised).
It's going to be fun and frolics at Burnley, where the call for her resignation came from the new Con group leader. The former Con group leader who stood down in June and left the Tories had formerly been a Councillor for the Brexit Party, and Reform, before joining the Cons.
An Irish Grandma, 47 years in the USA on a Green Card and married to a US citizen, detained when returning from a visit to Ireland for a funeral with husband, is now facing deportation for a "crime of moral turpitude", because she bounced a $25 cheque in 2015 - which she subsequently made good. From the Indy:
An Irish grandmother of five, who is married to an American citizen and who has lived in the U.S. on a green card for 47 years, is facing deportation.
Donna Hughes-Brown, 58, was arrested by ICE over a bad check for $25 she passed a decade ago, according to her husband. Born in England the grandmother holds Irish citizenship and first came to the U.S. with her parents and brother aged 11.
She visited the Republic of Ireland earlier this summer for a family funeral, only to be arrested when she returned to Chicago O’Hare International Airport on July 29.
A short vid analysing this, and suggesting where it is going - with an aim of instilling fear. Phil Moorehouse, and I mainly agree with the analysis this time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArXFp-CnswU
I am so glad that we decided not to go to the USA this year, or indeed any other year that moron is in the White House.
I’m toddling off there in November. Houston then LA.
So far no short term business travellers seem to have been caught up. (I think).
Hope you have been more discreet here on PB than I have.
I’m off to California in October. I am not afeared
Ah, but if you get locked up or kicked out you'll make decent money out of the story.
Look forward to hearing from you by Christmas !
Have they required you to pay the extra Trump fees?
(Seriously, I honestly can't tell where they will be by the end of the year; it all just seems random.)
I am not going. It is @Leon that is going. We chickened out.
You're going to see a lot of "he's a violent antifascist leftist" and "he's a groyper" but the core of Tyler Robinson's motivation is almost certainly that he's an online-poisoned idiot gamer.
New from @tinanguyen.bsky.social and me: Charlie Kirk's shooter left behind bullet casings with a furry sex meme and a bunch of Helldivers video game references. Subreddits for Helldivers immediately picked up on it.
Labour find it really difficult to remove their leaders. Corbyn was astonishingly useless (at least for those who had understandably not paid any attention to his career) and lost an election and they still couldn't get rid of him. Starmer is a sitting PM and he's not going anywhere unless he chooses to do so.
His judgement is shite. This is not news. Everyone knew this when they chose him. But he is PM and will not want to stand down on any terms other than his own.
His judgement is poor and his news management is poor. Adds up to shite, but I don't mind the latter element.
I’m sorry, but Starmer’s political judgment is way beyond “poor”. Sunak was “poor”. Starmer is in a different league
There are so many examples but let’s focus on Lord Yum Yum. He didn’t have to do any of this. He didn’t have to appoint him. He didn’t have to rush out and express confidence in him as the scandal kicked off. He didn’t have to do that AGAIN in the commons even as everyone else in the universe knew Mandy was toast
All unforced. All howlingly stupid. He is so bad at politics people semi-seriously wonder if he is a spy paid by China
He is the worst “politician” we’ve seen in number 10 in my lifetime. He has no political sense. Zero
He’s a dull witted public sector lawyer and that’s where he should have stayed
I can't disagree with you on any point. What it adds up to though is a PM as good as many in recent years. Nobody can be worse than Truss - I think we all agree on that. I have a personal hate of Gordon Brown. I liked Cameron, Boris is sort of an exception, and I'd feel poorly of myself if I went after Mrs May. So it boils down to Sunak vs Starmer. Now I'm a lifelong Tory, but I have to tell you that I think Starmer has been the better PM.
Why exactly? Rishi comes in and gets inflation under control. he does not give the unions massive pay rises we can not afford. he does not give away the chagos islands and cost us 30 billion in the process. he restores a level of market confidence after the trusterfuck. He also does some stupid stuff to be sure, but the only good thing I can honestly think Starmer has done well is suck up to Trump. Freebies, WFA, union pay rises, poor appointments, fails to cut welfare, why is he better? genuinely interested in how you see it.
If you read the media that explains Chagos at 30 billion, some even go at 100 billion, and cover each government action with similar hyperbole, then sure, on those "facts" Starmer is worse than Rishi, but the fact base is pretty "alternative".
If you prefer Chagos at 3 billion that's fine by me. I am asking why Starmer is better than Rishi to some people, what are the big plusses for starmer, or big minus for Rishi? Rwanda? his attempted election give away?
Seriousness. Most of the problems Starmer et al are facing are down to unserious nature of the last few Tory governments, particularly from Boris onwards. Labour aren't very good and Sunak was an improvement on Johnson and Truss but Starmer is still ahead imo.
Rwanda is a good example, not because I am overly offended by the civil rights implications, I am a bit, but far more offended by the contempt he held the nation in. He made the asylum problem worse for both claimants and locals for political gain, and was too stupid and naive to realise that the beneficiaries of that politics would be Refukkers not the Tories.
An Irish Grandma, 47 years in the USA on a Green Card and married to a US citizen, detained when returning from a visit to Ireland for a funeral with husband, is now facing deportation for a "crime of moral turpitude", because she bounced a $25 cheque in 2015 - which she subsequently made good. From the Indy:
An Irish grandmother of five, who is married to an American citizen and who has lived in the U.S. on a green card for 47 years, is facing deportation.
Donna Hughes-Brown, 58, was arrested by ICE over a bad check for $25 she passed a decade ago, according to her husband. Born in England the grandmother holds Irish citizenship and first came to the U.S. with her parents and brother aged 11.
She visited the Republic of Ireland earlier this summer for a family funeral, only to be arrested when she returned to Chicago O’Hare International Airport on July 29.
A short vid analysing this, and suggesting where it is going - with an aim of instilling fear. Phil Moorehouse, and I mainly agree with the analysis this time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArXFp-CnswU
I am so glad that we decided not to go to the USA this year, or indeed any other year that moron is in the White House.
I’m toddling off there in November. Houston then LA.
So far no short term business travellers seem to have been caught up. (I think).
Hope you have been more discreet here on PB than I have.
I’m off to California in October. I am not afeared
Ah, but if you get locked up or kicked out you'll make decent money out of the story.
Look forward to hearing from you by Christmas !
Have they required you to pay the extra Trump fees?
(Seriously, I honestly can't tell where they will be by the end of the year; it all just seems random.)
I am not going. It is @Leon that is going. We chickened out.
An Irish Grandma, 47 years in the USA on a Green Card and married to a US citizen, detained when returning from a visit to Ireland for a funeral with husband, is now facing deportation for a "crime of moral turpitude", because she bounced a $25 cheque in 2015 - which she subsequently made good. From the Indy:
An Irish grandmother of five, who is married to an American citizen and who has lived in the U.S. on a green card for 47 years, is facing deportation.
Donna Hughes-Brown, 58, was arrested by ICE over a bad check for $25 she passed a decade ago, according to her husband. Born in England the grandmother holds Irish citizenship and first came to the U.S. with her parents and brother aged 11.
She visited the Republic of Ireland earlier this summer for a family funeral, only to be arrested when she returned to Chicago O’Hare International Airport on July 29.
A short vid analysing this, and suggesting where it is going - with an aim of instilling fear. Phil Moorehouse, and I mainly agree with the analysis this time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArXFp-CnswU
I am so glad that we decided not to go to the USA this year, or indeed any other year that moron is in the White House.
I’m toddling off there in November. Houston then LA.
So far no short term business travellers seem to have been caught up. (I think).
Hope you have been more discreet here on PB than I have.
I’m off to California in October. I am not afeared
Ah, but if you get locked up or kicked out you'll make decent money out of the story.
Look forward to hearing from you by Christmas !
Have they required you to pay the extra Trump fees?
(Seriously, I honestly can't tell where they will be by the end of the year; it all just seems random.)
I am not going. It is @Leon that is going. We chickened out.
I chickened out of going to the Las Vegas grand prix in November.
Broke my heart, I love Vegas, I love F1, if there's a city designed for me it is Vegas.
An Irish Grandma, 47 years in the USA on a Green Card and married to a US citizen, detained when returning from a visit to Ireland for a funeral with husband, is now facing deportation for a "crime of moral turpitude", because she bounced a $25 cheque in 2015 - which she subsequently made good. From the Indy:
An Irish grandmother of five, who is married to an American citizen and who has lived in the U.S. on a green card for 47 years, is facing deportation.
Donna Hughes-Brown, 58, was arrested by ICE over a bad check for $25 she passed a decade ago, according to her husband. Born in England the grandmother holds Irish citizenship and first came to the U.S. with her parents and brother aged 11.
She visited the Republic of Ireland earlier this summer for a family funeral, only to be arrested when she returned to Chicago O’Hare International Airport on July 29.
A short vid analysing this, and suggesting where it is going - with an aim of instilling fear. Phil Moorehouse, and I mainly agree with the analysis this time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArXFp-CnswU
I am so glad that we decided not to go to the USA this year, or indeed any other year that moron is in the White House.
I’m toddling off there in November. Houston then LA.
So far no short term business travellers seem to have been caught up. (I think).
Hope you have been more discreet here on PB than I have.
I’m off to California in October. I am not afeared
Ah, but if you get locked up or kicked out you'll make decent money out of the story.
Look forward to hearing from you by Christmas !
Have they required you to pay the extra Trump fees?
(Seriously, I honestly can't tell where they will be by the end of the year; it all just seems random.)
I am not going. It is @Leon that is going. We chickened out.
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
An Irish Grandma, 47 years in the USA on a Green Card and married to a US citizen, detained when returning from a visit to Ireland for a funeral with husband, is now facing deportation for a "crime of moral turpitude", because she bounced a $25 cheque in 2015 - which she subsequently made good. From the Indy:
An Irish grandmother of five, who is married to an American citizen and who has lived in the U.S. on a green card for 47 years, is facing deportation.
Donna Hughes-Brown, 58, was arrested by ICE over a bad check for $25 she passed a decade ago, according to her husband. Born in England the grandmother holds Irish citizenship and first came to the U.S. with her parents and brother aged 11.
She visited the Republic of Ireland earlier this summer for a family funeral, only to be arrested when she returned to Chicago O’Hare International Airport on July 29.
A short vid analysing this, and suggesting where it is going - with an aim of instilling fear. Phil Moorehouse, and I mainly agree with the analysis this time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArXFp-CnswU
It's this sort of thing that is deterring members of my family from visiting friends in the US - it's not that they have committed any offences, but they feel slightly unsure that they'd be safe.
Labour find it really difficult to remove their leaders. Corbyn was astonishingly useless (at least for those who had understandably not paid any attention to his career) and lost an election and they still couldn't get rid of him. Starmer is a sitting PM and he's not going anywhere unless he chooses to do so.
His judgement is shite. This is not news. Everyone knew this when they chose him. But he is PM and will not want to stand down on any terms other than his own.
His judgement is poor and his news management is poor. Adds up to shite, but I don't mind the latter element.
I’m sorry, but Starmer’s political judgment is way beyond “poor”. Sunak was “poor”. Starmer is in a different league
There are so many examples but let’s focus on Lord Yum Yum. He didn’t have to do any of this. He didn’t have to appoint him. He didn’t have to rush out and express confidence in him as the scandal kicked off. He didn’t have to do that AGAIN in the commons even as everyone else in the universe knew Mandy was toast
All unforced. All howlingly stupid. He is so bad at politics people semi-seriously wonder if he is a spy paid by China
He is the worst “politician” we’ve seen in number 10 in my lifetime. He has no political sense. Zero
He’s a dull witted public sector lawyer and that’s where he should have stayed
I can't disagree with you on any point. What it adds up to though is a PM as good as many in recent years. Nobody can be worse than Truss - I think we all agree on that. I have a personal hate of Gordon Brown. I liked Cameron, Boris is sort of an exception, and I'd feel poorly of myself if I went after Mrs May. So it boils down to Sunak vs Starmer. Now I'm a lifelong Tory, but I have to tell you that I think Starmer has been the better PM.
Why exactly? Rishi comes in and gets inflation under control. he does not give the unions massive pay rises we can not afford. he does not give away the chagos islands and cost us 30 billion in the process. he restores a level of market confidence after the trusterfuck. He also does some stupid stuff to be sure, but the only good thing I can honestly think Starmer has done well is suck up to Trump. Freebies, WFA, union pay rises, poor appointments, fails to cut welfare, why is he better? genuinely interested in how you see it.
If you read the media that explains Chagos at 30 billion, some even go at 100 billion, and cover each government action with similar hyperbole, then sure, on those "facts" Starmer is worse than Rishi, but the fact base is pretty "alternative".
If you prefer Chagos at 3 billion that's fine by me. I am asking why Starmer is better than Rishi to some people, what are the big plusses for starmer, or big minus for Rishi? Rwanda? his attempted election give away?
Seriousness. Most of the problems Starmer et al are facing are down to unserious nature of the last few Tory governments, particularly from Boris onwards. Labour aren't very good and Sunak was an improvement on Johnson and Truss but Starmer is still ahead imo.
Rwanda is a good example, not because I am overly offended by the civil rights implications, I am a bit, but far more offended by the contempt he held the nation in. He made the asylum problem worse for both claimants and locals for political gain, and was too stupid and naive to realise that the beneficiaries of that politics would be Refukkers not the Tories.
Thank you, very interesting. I find them very similar TBH. Capable people in a way but terrible politicians. Still better then a capable politician who is not able or interested in doing the job like Boris mind.
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
Too many of these extreme left and extreme right shootings. Why are they never extreme centrist dads?
Labour find it really difficult to remove their leaders. Corbyn was astonishingly useless (at least for those who had understandably not paid any attention to his career) and lost an election and they still couldn't get rid of him. Starmer is a sitting PM and he's not going anywhere unless he chooses to do so.
His judgement is shite. This is not news. Everyone knew this when they chose him. But he is PM and will not want to stand down on any terms other than his own.
His judgement is poor and his news management is poor. Adds up to shite, but I don't mind the latter element.
I’m sorry, but Starmer’s political judgment is way beyond “poor”. Sunak was “poor”. Starmer is in a different league
There are so many examples but let’s focus on Lord Yum Yum. He didn’t have to do any of this. He didn’t have to appoint him. He didn’t have to rush out and express confidence in him as the scandal kicked off. He didn’t have to do that AGAIN in the commons even as everyone else in the universe knew Mandy was toast
All unforced. All howlingly stupid. He is so bad at politics people semi-seriously wonder if he is a spy paid by China
He is the worst “politician” we’ve seen in number 10 in my lifetime. He has no political sense. Zero
He’s a dull witted public sector lawyer and that’s where he should have stayed
I can't disagree with you on any point. What it adds up to though is a PM as good as many in recent years. Nobody can be worse than Truss - I think we all agree on that. I have a personal hate of Gordon Brown. I liked Cameron, Boris is sort of an exception, and I'd feel poorly of myself if I went after Mrs May. So it boils down to Sunak vs Starmer. Now I'm a lifelong Tory, but I have to tell you that I think Starmer has been the better PM.
Why exactly? Rishi comes in and gets inflation under control. he does not give the unions massive pay rises we can not afford. he does not give away the chagos islands and cost us 30 billion in the process. he restores a level of market confidence after the trusterfuck. He also does some stupid stuff to be sure, but the only good thing I can honestly think Starmer has done well is suck up to Trump. Freebies, WFA, union pay rises, poor appointments, fails to cut welfare, why is he better? genuinely interested in how you see it.
If you read the media that explains Chagos at 30 billion, some even go at 100 billion, and cover each government action with similar hyperbole, then sure, on those "facts" Starmer is worse than Rishi, but the fact base is pretty "alternative".
If you prefer Chagos at 3 billion that's fine by me. I am asking why Starmer is better than Rishi to some people, what are the big plusses for starmer, or big minus for Rishi? Rwanda? his attempted election give away?
Seriousness. Most of the problems Starmer et al are facing are down to unserious nature of the last few Tory governments, particularly from Boris onwards. Labour aren't very good and Sunak was an improvement on Johnson and Truss but Starmer is still ahead imo.
Rwanda is a good example, not because I am overly offended by the civil rights implications, I am a bit, but far more offended by the contempt he held the nation in. He made the asylum problem worse for both claimants and locals for political gain, and was too stupid and naive to realise that the beneficiaries of that politics would be Refukkers not the Tories.
Thank you, very interesting. I find them very similar TBH. Capable people in a way but terrible politicians. Still better then a capable politician who is not able or interested in doing the job like Boris mind.
Starmer is a far worse politician than he is a PM. A PM is a mix of strategy, administration, team mgt and politics. Starmer is ok at the administration bit. Sunak didn't really have any of the four. Regardless we deserve better but persistently vote for worse.
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
Too many of these extreme left and extreme right shootings. Why are they never extreme centrist dads?
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
Too many of these extreme left and extreme right shootings. Why are they never extreme centrist dads?
To which, I accept, the appropriate answer is “Iraq”.
Labour find it really difficult to remove their leaders. Corbyn was astonishingly useless (at least for those who had understandably not paid any attention to his career) and lost an election and they still couldn't get rid of him. Starmer is a sitting PM and he's not going anywhere unless he chooses to do so.
His judgement is shite. This is not news. Everyone knew this when they chose him. But he is PM and will not want to stand down on any terms other than his own.
His judgement is poor and his news management is poor. Adds up to shite, but I don't mind the latter element.
I’m sorry, but Starmer’s political judgment is way beyond “poor”. Sunak was “poor”. Starmer is in a different league
There are so many examples but let’s focus on Lord Yum Yum. He didn’t have to do any of this. He didn’t have to appoint him. He didn’t have to rush out and express confidence in him as the scandal kicked off. He didn’t have to do that AGAIN in the commons even as everyone else in the universe knew Mandy was toast
All unforced. All howlingly stupid. He is so bad at politics people semi-seriously wonder if he is a spy paid by China
He is the worst “politician” we’ve seen in number 10 in my lifetime. He has no political sense. Zero
He’s a dull witted public sector lawyer and that’s where he should have stayed
I can't disagree with you on any point. What it adds up to though is a PM as good as many in recent years. Nobody can be worse than Truss - I think we all agree on that. I have a personal hate of Gordon Brown. I liked Cameron, Boris is sort of an exception, and I'd feel poorly of myself if I went after Mrs May. So it boils down to Sunak vs Starmer. Now I'm a lifelong Tory, but I have to tell you that I think Starmer has been the better PM.
Why exactly? Rishi comes in and gets inflation under control. he does not give the unions massive pay rises we can not afford. he does not give away the chagos islands and cost us 30 billion in the process. he restores a level of market confidence after the trusterfuck. He also does some stupid stuff to be sure, but the only good thing I can honestly think Starmer has done well is suck up to Trump. Freebies, WFA, union pay rises, poor appointments, fails to cut welfare, why is he better? genuinely interested in how you see it.
If you read the media that explains Chagos at 30 billion, some even go at 100 billion, and cover each government action with similar hyperbole, then sure, on those "facts" Starmer is worse than Rishi, but the fact base is pretty "alternative".
If you prefer Chagos at 3 billion that's fine by me. I am asking why Starmer is better than Rishi to some people, what are the big plusses for starmer, or big minus for Rishi? Rwanda? his attempted election give away?
Seriousness. Most of the problems Starmer et al are facing are down to unserious nature of the last few Tory governments, particularly from Boris onwards. Labour aren't very good and Sunak was an improvement on Johnson and Truss but Starmer is still ahead imo.
Rwanda is a good example, not because I am overly offended by the civil rights implications, I am a bit, but far more offended by the contempt he held the nation in. He made the asylum problem worse for both claimants and locals for political gain, and was too stupid and naive to realise that the beneficiaries of that politics would be Refukkers not the Tories.
Thank you, very interesting. I find them very similar TBH. Capable people in a way but terrible politicians. Still better then a capable politician who is not able or interested in doing the job like Boris mind.
Thing is, Sunak had the opportunity to be the one to break the logjam.
Deep down, we all know that there's a mismatch between the things we want the state to provide and the amount we are happy to pay for them. We know there is a deep hypocricy in our approach to immigration. It's been going on for most of my lifetime, and it's there because we, as voters, vote for it.
Sunak could have thought "sod it, I'm going to lose, but I'm going to hand over a good legacy" by adressing those mismatches. He might have struggled to get it past his MPs, but seriously... who else were they going to put in place? And Truss had set herself up to be the fall gal. Instead, he decided to go deeper into the madness- partly with Rwanda, partly with his "we can cut tax rates because of spending cuts I'm not going to describe".
The coward dies a thousand deaths, the brave but one, as the saying goes. Sunak and Hunt could have been brave, everything was set up for them to be brave, in the way that Major and Clarke were in the runup to 1997. But their actions were those of cowards. And it didn't really save any seats.
Starmer is not good- though I wonder if he is a good as the system lets anyone be, as good as our society deserves. He's certainly better than Sunak.
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
Too many of these extreme left and extreme right shootings. Why are they never extreme centrist dads?
Turns out it’s true. He really did write “hey fascist, catch” on the bullet casings. He really did write an antifa chant. He really did swing extremely leftwing according to the family
So all this stuff about him being a Republican and a groyper and all that is total bullshit. Likewise the attempt to blur him as a memelord
This is desperate spin. He’s from a republican family but he’s antifa. He’s extreme left
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
Too many of these extreme left and extreme right shootings. Why are they never extreme centrist dads?
Turns out it’s true. He really did write “hey fascist, catch” on the bullet casings. He really did write an antifa chant. He really did swing extremely leftwing according to the family
So all this stuff about him being a Republican and a groyper and all that is total bullshit. Likewise the attempt to blur him as a memelord
This is desperate spin. He’s from a republican family but he’s antifa. He’s extreme left
Were the people who wanted to hang Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi "extreme left"?
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
Too many of these extreme left and extreme right shootings. Why are they never extreme centrist dads?
Turns out it’s true. He really did write “hey fascist, catch” on the bullet casings. He really did write an antifa chant. He really did swing extremely leftwing according to the family
So all this stuff about him being a Republican and a groyper and all that is total bullshit. Likewise the attempt to blur him as a memelord
This is desperate spin. He’s from a republican family but he’s antifa. He’s extreme left
Did you learn nothing from the Minnesota shootings earlier on this year?
Labour find it really difficult to remove their leaders. Corbyn was astonishingly useless (at least for those who had understandably not paid any attention to his career) and lost an election and they still couldn't get rid of him. Starmer is a sitting PM and he's not going anywhere unless he chooses to do so.
His judgement is shite. This is not news. Everyone knew this when they chose him. But he is PM and will not want to stand down on any terms other than his own.
His judgement is poor and his news management is poor. Adds up to shite, but I don't mind the latter element.
I’m sorry, but Starmer’s political judgment is way beyond “poor”. Sunak was “poor”. Starmer is in a different league
There are so many examples but let’s focus on Lord Yum Yum. He didn’t have to do any of this. He didn’t have to appoint him. He didn’t have to rush out and express confidence in him as the scandal kicked off. He didn’t have to do that AGAIN in the commons even as everyone else in the universe knew Mandy was toast
All unforced. All howlingly stupid. He is so bad at politics people semi-seriously wonder if he is a spy paid by China
He is the worst “politician” we’ve seen in number 10 in my lifetime. He has no political sense. Zero
He’s a dull witted public sector lawyer and that’s where he should have stayed
I can't disagree with you on any point. What it adds up to though is a PM as good as many in recent years. Nobody can be worse than Truss - I think we all agree on that. I have a personal hate of Gordon Brown. I liked Cameron, Boris is sort of an exception, and I'd feel poorly of myself if I went after Mrs May. So it boils down to Sunak vs Starmer. Now I'm a lifelong Tory, but I have to tell you that I think Starmer has been the better PM.
Why exactly? Rishi comes in and gets inflation under control. he does not give the unions massive pay rises we can not afford. he does not give away the chagos islands and cost us 30 billion in the process. he restores a level of market confidence after the trusterfuck. He also does some stupid stuff to be sure, but the only good thing I can honestly think Starmer has done well is suck up to Trump. Freebies, WFA, union pay rises, poor appointments, fails to cut welfare, why is he better? genuinely interested in how you see it.
Rishi didn’t get inflation under control. That was the B o E
Holding down spending and public sector salaries definitely played a big part in getting inflation back down.
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
It is human nature to try and rearrange reality to fit your existing prejudices.
If it turns out that he turned Left, then the Left will argue that this whole thing was a False Flag operation,
Alternatively, it could be that he was on the Right and was incensed by Charlie Kirk's recent change of position on Epstein (where he's suddenly decided the files shouldn't be released, and which has caused much consernation online).
The reality is, whether he is of the Left or the Right, is that he is another mentally unstable person who had access to guns. He's also not the only politically prominent person to get shot in the last few years: the Democratic Speaker of the Minnesota House was shot (and murdered) back in June.
Both killings are abhorrent, and when we start trying to pin everything on "the other side", we end up excusing and normalising violence. We also end up with a situation - like in pre-WW2 Japan - where fear of violence stops people from standing up.
It doesn't matter who - or why - Kirk was killed. What matters is that it is not used to for political purposes to try and divide the US further.
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
Too many of these extreme left and extreme right shootings. Why are they never extreme centrist dads?
Turns out it’s true. He really did write “hey fascist, catch” on the bullet casings. He really did write an antifa chant. He really did swing extremely leftwing according to the family
So all this stuff about him being a Republican and a groyper and all that is total bullshit. Likewise the attempt to blur him as a memelord
This is desperate spin. He’s from a republican family but he’s antifa. He’s extreme left
Did you learn nothing from the Minnesota shootings earlier on this year?
I guess not.
We can apply loads of sophistry or we can use Ockham’s razor and assume that a guy who writes “hey fascist, catch” on the ammunition he uses to kill a very prominent right winger is probably “antifa”
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
It is human nature to try and rearrange reality to fit your existing prejudices.
If it turns out that he turned Left, then the Left will argue that this whole thing was a False Flag operation,
Alternatively, it could be that he was on the Right and was incensed by Charlie Kirk's recent change of position on Epstein (where he's suddenly decided the files shouldn't be released, and which has caused much consernation online).
The reality is, whether he is of the Left or the Right, is that he is another mentally unstable person who had access to guns. He's also not the only politically prominent person to get shot in the last few years: the Democratic Speaker of the Minnesota House was shot (and murdered) back in June.
Both killings are abhorrent, and when we start trying to pin everything on "the other side", we end up excusing and normalising violence. We also end up with a situation - like in pre-WW2 Japan - where fear of violence stops people from standing up.
It doesn't matter who - or why - Kirk was killed. What matters is that it is not used to for political purposes to try and divide the US further.
“Who had access to guns” is, as always, the practical utilitarian point.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
'People' have been claiming many things, and you have repeatedly embarrassed yourself by spreading bullshit that fits your particular worldview.
Perhaps the 'people' realise the killer was one of theirs, and are now spreading disinformation to make it look as though it's their enemy's fault. And shitheads are propagating the information.
But as others have pointed out, you don't need to be left wing to call people in MAGA Nazis. The vice president himself has done so.
What we have here is a disturbed young man who had apparently been taught to fire guns from a young age, and had easy access to weapons. Sometimes that will not end well, as we see time and time again in the USA. Whilst he is a right-wing dingbat, it doesn't really matter if he is from the left or right: the problem is that he is a disturbed young man who had been taught to use guns, and had easy access to guns.
Which is why the USA needs gun control. And why large segments of the USA will look to blame anything else.
Labour find it really difficult to remove their leaders. Corbyn was astonishingly useless (at least for those who had understandably not paid any attention to his career) and lost an election and they still couldn't get rid of him. Starmer is a sitting PM and he's not going anywhere unless he chooses to do so.
His judgement is shite. This is not news. Everyone knew this when they chose him. But he is PM and will not want to stand down on any terms other than his own.
His judgement is poor and his news management is poor. Adds up to shite, but I don't mind the latter element.
I’m sorry, but Starmer’s political judgment is way beyond “poor”. Sunak was “poor”. Starmer is in a different league
There are so many examples but let’s focus on Lord Yum Yum. He didn’t have to do any of this. He didn’t have to appoint him. He didn’t have to rush out and express confidence in him as the scandal kicked off. He didn’t have to do that AGAIN in the commons even as everyone else in the universe knew Mandy was toast
All unforced. All howlingly stupid. He is so bad at politics people semi-seriously wonder if he is a spy paid by China
He is the worst “politician” we’ve seen in number 10 in my lifetime. He has no political sense. Zero
He’s a dull witted public sector lawyer and that’s where he should have stayed
I can't disagree with you on any point. What it adds up to though is a PM as good as many in recent years. Nobody can be worse than Truss - I think we all agree on that. I have a personal hate of Gordon Brown. I liked Cameron, Boris is sort of an exception, and I'd feel poorly of myself if I went after Mrs May. So it boils down to Sunak vs Starmer. Now I'm a lifelong Tory, but I have to tell you that I think Starmer has been the better PM.
Why exactly? Rishi comes in and gets inflation under control. he does not give the unions massive pay rises we can not afford. he does not give away the chagos islands and cost us 30 billion in the process. he restores a level of market confidence after the trusterfuck. He also does some stupid stuff to be sure, but the only good thing I can honestly think Starmer has done well is suck up to Trump. Freebies, WFA, union pay rises, poor appointments, fails to cut welfare, why is he better? genuinely interested in how you see it.
If you read the media that explains Chagos at 30 billion, some even go at 100 billion, and cover each government action with similar hyperbole, then sure, on those "facts" Starmer is worse than Rishi, but the fact base is pretty "alternative".
If you prefer Chagos at 3 billion that's fine by me. I am asking why Starmer is better than Rishi to some people, what are the big plusses for starmer, or big minus for Rishi? Rwanda? his attempted election give away?
Seriousness. Most of the problems Starmer et al are facing are down to unserious nature of the last few Tory governments, particularly from Boris onwards. Labour aren't very good and Sunak was an improvement on Johnson and Truss but Starmer is still ahead imo.
Rwanda is a good example, not because I am overly offended by the civil rights implications, I am a bit, but far more offended by the contempt he held the nation in. He made the asylum problem worse for both claimants and locals for political gain, and was too stupid and naive to realise that the beneficiaries of that politics would be Refukkers not the Tories.
Thank you, very interesting. I find them very similar TBH. Capable people in a way but terrible politicians. Still better then a capable politician who is not able or interested in doing the job like Boris mind.
Starmer is a far worse politician than he is a PM. A PM is a mix of strategy, administration, team mgt and politics. Starmer is ok at the administration bit. Sunak didn't really have any of the four. Regardless we deserve better but persistently vote for worse.
Where as I see Sunak as starting off well enough with inflation/market confidence, then throwing it all away on trying to win an unwinnable election. Anyway Starmers story is not written yet, but he is in danger of finding himself looking backwards at not very much of anything.
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
Too many of these extreme left and extreme right shootings. Why are they never extreme centrist dads?
Turns out it’s true. He really did write “hey fascist, catch” on the bullet casings. He really did write an antifa chant. He really did swing extremely leftwing according to the family
So all this stuff about him being a Republican and a groyper and all that is total bullshit. Likewise the attempt to blur him as a memelord
This is desperate spin. He’s from a republican family but he’s antifa. He’s extreme left
Are you sure you are as bright as you say you are?
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
It is human nature to try and rearrange reality to fit your existing prejudices.
If it turns out that he turned Left, then the Left will argue that this whole thing was a False Flag operation,
Alternatively, it could be that he was on the Right and was incensed by Charlie Kirk's recent change of position on Epstein (where he's suddenly decided the files shouldn't be released, and which has caused much consernation online).
The reality is, whether he is of the Left or the Right, is that he is another mentally unstable person who had access to guns. He's also not the only politically prominent person to get shot in the last few years: the Democratic Speaker of the Minnesota House was shot (and murdered) back in June.
Both killings are abhorrent, and when we start trying to pin everything on "the other side", we end up excusing and normalising violence. We also end up with a situation - like in pre-WW2 Japan - where fear of violence stops people from standing up.
It doesn't matter who - or why - Kirk was killed. What matters is that it is not used to for political purposes to try and divide the US further.
One problem is an old one- America lets too many people (including those with wobbly minds) have access to guns.
There's also a new problem- provoking people with wobbly minds has become a multibillion dollar industry.
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
Too many of these extreme left and extreme right shootings. Why are they never extreme centrist dads?
Turns out it’s true. He really did write “hey fascist, catch” on the bullet casings. He really did write an antifa chant. He really did swing extremely leftwing according to the family
So all this stuff about him being a Republican and a groyper and all that is total bullshit. Likewise the attempt to blur him as a memelord
This is desperate spin. He’s from a republican family but he’s antifa. He’s extreme left
you so want this to be true, you believe it. brain rotting away day after day
On the topic, Andy Marr says in this week's Newstatesman that having spoken to a number of people in the Burnham orbit that "the iron has entered his soul" on running for leader.
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
It is human nature to try and rearrange reality to fit your existing prejudices.
If it turns out that he turned Left, then the Left will argue that this whole thing was a False Flag operation,
Alternatively, it could be that he was on the Right and was incensed by Charlie Kirk's recent change of position on Epstein (where he's suddenly decided the files shouldn't be released, and which has caused much consernation online).
The reality is, whether he is of the Left or the Right, is that he is another mentally unstable person who had access to guns. He's also not the only politically prominent person to get shot in the last few years: the Democratic Speaker of the Minnesota House was shot (and murdered) back in June.
Both killings are abhorrent, and when we start trying to pin everything on "the other side", we end up excusing and normalising violence. We also end up with a situation - like in pre-WW2 Japan - where fear of violence stops people from standing up.
It doesn't matter who - or why - Kirk was killed. What matters is that it is not used to for political purposes to try and divide the US further.
Disagree. It absolutely matters. It is deeply unfortunate that it turns out this guy is probably hard left as that does, indeed, push America closer to the cliff edge of civil strife - but I’m not going to deny likely reality
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
The bullet castings seem to be mainly video game memes, rather than political slogans.
FWIW, I reckon the vast majority of people on left and right don't actually want to inflict violence on the other side, so it doesn't make sense to put blame on either side for what a loner like this does. Whether he identifies as left or right.
However, when you have something like Jan 6th, where there is clear incitement to violent action, then it makes sense to hold people accountable for that. Bit of a problem that America chose to re-elect Trump, rather than hold him accountable for that event.
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
The bullet castings seem to be mainly video game memes, rather than political slogans.
FWIW, I reckon the vast majority of people on left and right don't actually want to inflict violence on the other side, so it doesn't make sense to put blame on either side for what a loner like this does. Whether he identifies as left or right.
However, when you have something like Jan 6th, where there is clear incitement to violent action, then it makes sense to hold people accountable for that. Bit of a problem that America chose to re-elect Trump, rather than hold him accountable for that event.
Got it. Ignore all the evidence that’s awkward. Pivot quickly from “he’s a Republican hahaha” to “omg he’s a sad gamer it doesn’t matter what he is” and also “political violence comes from all sides anyway” plus “oh but January 6th was far worse”
I think it’s probably true this shooter turned to the extreme left. The most compelling evidence? His republican father handed him in to a potential death penalty.
I remember a galling conversation with an Algerian taxi driver on the way between Algiers and some Roman ruins along the coast. He was recounting stories from the civil war. Possibly a candidate for nastiest, most evil civil war in the 20th century, alongside Rwanda. There, boys entered villages and murdered their kin including their own parents, in the name of ideological purity and Allah’s will.
In a battle as final and all consuming as the US culture war, if your son joins the ranks of the mortal enemy then maybe he deserves to be dobbed in.
"Britain's biggest company AstraZeneca (AZN.L) has paused a planned 200 million pound ($271.26 million) investment in its Cambridge research site, a spokesperson said, the latest drugmaker to pull back on its business in Britain."
Was the Trans bullet casings thing a far-right hoax in the end? Struggling to work out what the truth is but note quite a few papers still have that claim up, with others suggesting it was a false report from some dodgy law enforcement official.
Difficult to know what to trust in Trump's America.
You mean the nonesense about the headstamps that are common on brass?
Your thing that in the land of gun nuts…
TRN is a Turkish manufacturer's headstamp.
Is that was it was? Ffs.
As I was saying- emote and then scramble round for evidence to fit.
Look, we all do it, me included. It's part of the human condition. It's just that civilization and progress depend on not doing it. But chancers across the board exploit that effect as a hack to get the power they crave.
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
The bullet castings seem to be mainly video game memes, rather than political slogans.
FWIW, I reckon the vast majority of people on left and right don't actually want to inflict violence on the other side, so it doesn't make sense to put blame on either side for what a loner like this does. Whether he identifies as left or right.
However, when you have something like Jan 6th, where there is clear incitement to violent action, then it makes sense to hold people accountable for that. Bit of a problem that America chose to re-elect Trump, rather than hold him accountable for that event.
Got it. Ignore all the evidence that’s awkward. Pivot quickly from “he’s a Republican hahaha” to “omg he’s a sad gamer it doesn’t matter what he is” and also “political violence comes from all sides anyway” plus “oh but January 6th was far worse”
It’s fucking ridiculous
How about the murder of the Minnesota Democrat politician Melissa Hortman and her husband back in June?
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
Too many of these extreme left and extreme right shootings. Why are they never extreme centrist dads?
Turns out it’s true. He really did write “hey fascist, catch” on the bullet casings. He really did write an antifa chant. He really did swing extremely leftwing according to the family
So all this stuff about him being a Republican and a groyper and all that is total bullshit. Likewise the attempt to blur him as a memelord
This is desperate spin. He’s from a republican family but he’s antifa. He’s extreme left
you so want this to be true, you believe it. brain rotting away day after day
There is no humility or reflection on the fact that he was completely wrong about identifying the trans person as being the shooter, and that therefore it might be wise not to leap to conclusions. He keeps on making the same mistakes and then wonders why we don't laud him for his excellent judgement on the rare occasions when he's accidentally right.
"Britain's biggest company AstraZeneca (AZN.L) has paused a planned 200 million pound ($271.26 million) investment in its Cambridge research site, a spokesperson said, the latest drugmaker to pull back on its business in Britain."
"Farage has suggested Ms Ferrari was able to afford the four-bedroom home because she comes from a wealthy French family.
However, the BBC has examined French property and company records and has been unable to find evidence that Ms Ferrari's parents have the means to fund their daughter's purchase of the home."
'However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality'
'He’s from a republican family but he’s antifa. He’s extreme left '
7 minutes.
It’s because I’ve spent all day working hard on flints, then swimming and sunbathing in the Sardinian sun. Bliss
And I’ve only just sat down and looked at the evidence. All this antifa stuff is in the actual briefing by the FBI and the governor of Utah. Have you not watched it? I have, now. Takes about 7 minutes
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
The bullet castings seem to be mainly video game memes, rather than political slogans.
FWIW, I reckon the vast majority of people on left and right don't actually want to inflict violence on the other side, so it doesn't make sense to put blame on either side for what a loner like this does. Whether he identifies as left or right.
However, when you have something like Jan 6th, where there is clear incitement to violent action, then it makes sense to hold people accountable for that. Bit of a problem that America chose to re-elect Trump, rather than hold him accountable for that event.
Got it. Ignore all the evidence that’s awkward. Pivot quickly from “he’s a Republican hahaha” to “omg he’s a sad gamer it doesn’t matter what he is” and also “political violence comes from all sides anyway” plus “oh but January 6th was far worse”
It’s fucking ridiculous
If you want to debate me, then debate me on the merits of what I have said and not what you imagine I have said.
"Farage has suggested Ms Ferrari was able to afford the four-bedroom home because she comes from a wealthy French family.
However, the BBC has examined French property and company records and has been unable to find evidence that Ms Ferrari's parents have the means to fund their daughter's purchase of the home."
I appreciate those records are publically available - but I'm surprised the BBC think it's ok to trawl through them when they're not even married.
And is the lack of evidence actually at all meaningful? Just because their wealth isn’t in the public record doesn’t mean they aren’t wealthy.
Anyway, let’s all celebrate the fact we don’t have this sort of nonsense this side of the Atlantic and the worst thing our far right and far left generally manage is, respectively, a bit of graffiti and some racist chanting and…a bit of graffiti and some racist chanting.
Hmmm, as much as I want to trust random people on twitter…
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
People will say whatever makes them feel best - whether left wing or right wing.
Who knows what the truth is these days. But it does seem like he wrote “hey fascist catch” on the bullet casings. This was in the FBI and governor briefings? Also an antifa slogan
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
Too many of these extreme left and extreme right shootings. Why are they never extreme centrist dads?
Turns out it’s true. He really did write “hey fascist, catch” on the bullet casings. He really did write an antifa chant. He really did swing extremely leftwing according to the family
So all this stuff about him being a Republican and a groyper and all that is total bullshit. Likewise the attempt to blur him as a memelord
This is desperate spin. He’s from a republican family but he’s antifa. He’s extreme left
you so want this to be true, you believe it. brain rotting away day after day
There is no humility or reflection on the fact that he was completely wrong about identifying the trans person as being the shooter, and that therefore it might be wise not to leap to conclusions. He keeps on making the same mistakes and then wonders why we don't laud him for his excellent judgement on the rare occasions when he's accidentally right.
Because I didn’t say that. I said that X was speculating on the trans suspect - and I emphatically added that this was just speculation. “Not a wicket” is what I said. Go back and read it
On the topic, Andy Marr says in this week's Newstatesman that having spoken to a number of people in the Burnham orbit that "the iron has entered his soul" on running for leader.
Ah. Ambiguous. Is he determined to do it or determined not to do it?
Anyway, let’s all celebrate the fact we don’t have this sort of nonsense this side of the Atlantic and the worst thing our far right and far left generally manage is, respectively, a bit of graffiti and some racist chanting and…a bit of graffiti and some racist chanting.
This story is a year old and very important. As someone who knows jack shit about right wing references and ideology but knows plenty about gaming culture, Helldivers was specifically attracting fascist freaks even though the devs went to great lengths to explain the concept of satire.
"Farage has suggested Ms Ferrari was able to afford the four-bedroom home because she comes from a wealthy French family.
However, the BBC has examined French property and company records and has been unable to find evidence that Ms Ferrari's parents have the means to fund their daughter's purchase of the home."
I appreciate those records are publically available - but I'm surprised the BBC think it's ok to trawl through them when they're not even married.
And is the lack of evidence actually at all meaningful? Just because their wealth isn’t in the public record doesn’t mean they aren’t wealthy.
where did the leader of the most popular party get a spare £800k to buy a home? it's absolutely relevant
"Farage has suggested Ms Ferrari was able to afford the four-bedroom home because she comes from a wealthy French family.
However, the BBC has examined French property and company records and has been unable to find evidence that Ms Ferrari's parents have the means to fund their daughter's purchase of the home."
I appreciate those records are publically available - but I'm surprised the BBC think it's ok to trawl through them when they're not even married.
And is the lack of evidence actually at all meaningful? Just because their wealth isn’t in the public record doesn’t mean they aren’t wealthy.
where did the leader of the most popular party get a spare £800k to buy a home? it's absolutely relevant
He was an MEP for decades. They’re not underpaid. They get insane pensions
He’s popular in America. They pay ££££ for speeches. And so on
Contrary to what I'd read, it turns out Farage only took advice this week after he got scared:
"I've even been this week to a King's Counsel tax expert and paid a lot of money to make sure that everything we've done is legal and right."
Asked why he had sought expert tax advice, Farage said he was "really concerned" that some media reports were "beginning to stray into libel territory".
"So I have now done everything I can at every level to prove that everything that's been done is legal, correct and right," he added.
"Farage has suggested Ms Ferrari was able to afford the four-bedroom home because she comes from a wealthy French family.
However, the BBC has examined French property and company records and has been unable to find evidence that Ms Ferrari's parents have the means to fund their daughter's purchase of the home."
I appreciate those records are publically available - but I'm surprised the BBC think it's ok to trawl through them when they're not even married.
And is the lack of evidence actually at all meaningful? Just because their wealth isn’t in the public record doesn’t mean they aren’t wealthy.
where did the leader of the most popular party get a spare £800k to buy a home? it's absolutely relevant
I dont doubt that Farage has loads of wonga, he has been grifting for years.
Yet he told the press that it wasn't his money, so who did give it to Ferrari?, what were the terms?, and was the source of funds declared to the conveyancer?
It is very relevant when discussing the possible next PM.
"Farage has suggested Ms Ferrari was able to afford the four-bedroom home because she comes from a wealthy French family.
However, the BBC has examined French property and company records and has been unable to find evidence that Ms Ferrari's parents have the means to fund their daughter's purchase of the home."
I appreciate those records are publically available - but I'm surprised the BBC think it's ok to trawl through them when they're not even married.
And is the lack of evidence actually at all meaningful? Just because their wealth isn’t in the public record doesn’t mean they aren’t wealthy.
where did the leader of the most popular party get a spare £800k to buy a home? it's absolutely relevant
He was an MEP for decades. They’re not underpaid. They get insane pensions
He’s popular in America. They pay ££££ for speeches. And so on
I am on the tablet in the railway station and so am a bit limited in posting. If you look at my posting history you will see a link to news sites that list all the engravings and gives possible origins for them. I suggest the Very Online Dork With A Gun is the best description, not left or right.
"Farage has suggested Ms Ferrari was able to afford the four-bedroom home because she comes from a wealthy French family.
However, the BBC has examined French property and company records and has been unable to find evidence that Ms Ferrari's parents have the means to fund their daughter's purchase of the home."
I appreciate those records are publically available - but I'm surprised the BBC think it's ok to trawl through them when they're not even married.
And is the lack of evidence actually at all meaningful? Just because their wealth isn’t in the public record doesn’t mean they aren’t wealthy.
where did the leader of the most popular party get a spare £800k to buy a home? it's absolutely relevant
He was an MEP for decades. They’re not underpaid. They get insane pensions
He’s popular in America. They pay ££££ for speeches. And so on
I’d be surprised if Farage is worse less than £5m
so why did he lie about his partner buying it?
Dunno. Did he?
I’m just answering the question you asked. It is entirely credible that Farage has a lot of money
"Farage has suggested Ms Ferrari was able to afford the four-bedroom home because she comes from a wealthy French family.
However, the BBC has examined French property and company records and has been unable to find evidence that Ms Ferrari's parents have the means to fund their daughter's purchase of the home."
I appreciate those records are publically available - but I'm surprised the BBC think it's ok to trawl through them when they're not even married.
And is the lack of evidence actually at all meaningful? Just because their wealth isn’t in the public record doesn’t mean they aren’t wealthy.
where did the leader of the most popular party get a spare £800k to buy a home? it's absolutely relevant
I dont doubt that Farage has loads of wonga, he has been grifting for years.
Yet he told the press that it wasn't his money, so who did give it to Ferrari?, what were the terms?, and was the source of funds declared to the conveyancer?
It is very relevant when discussing the possible next PM.
If you give someone money, and it's not secretly a loan, what's the problem? They own the money. Perhaps there is a tax liability, but unless it's a secret loan "source of funds" should be fine, no?
As ever (hat tip to @Cyclfree) the damage will be about who knew what, when and who has lied about knowing.
I hear Starmer was eating a curry when he read the vetting report into Mandelson.
No no….
He was unofficially unbriefed as to the non-contents of the vetting report. Which he never officially read. Due to the Second Codicil to the Statute of Gnomi Subligaculi (Henry the Fourth, 1287) this means that he both knew but didn’t know, officially, but unofficially about the situation.
This quantum state only collapsed to knowing after Mandelson resigned.
That will £12,435.43, plus VAT, plus expenses, plus extra expenses, plus novel expenses, plus extraordinary expenses.
Contrary to what I'd read, it turns out Farage only took advice this week after he got scared:
"I've even been this week to a King's Counsel tax expert and paid a lot of money to make sure that everything we've done is legal and right."
Asked why he had sought expert tax advice, Farage said he was "really concerned" that some media reports were "beginning to stray into libel territory".
"So I have now done everything I can at every level to prove that everything that's been done is legal, correct and right," he added.
"It's been a very expensive week."
That’s how you do it. Farage is infinitely better at palming off media scrutiny than almost all other politicians.
It’s a shame his political talents came in a package with far right ideology rather than, say, centrist Dadaism.
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Anyhow, if the only two entries are Israel and the UK we are guaranteed a top three finish.
It's going to be fun and frolics at Burnley, where the call for her resignation came from the new Con group leader. The former Con group leader who stood down in June and left the Tories had formerly been a Councillor for the Brexit Party, and Reform, before joining the Cons.
And I couldn't care less about the BBC, who need to come into the modern media world and not live off UK taxpayers
@machete.gay
You're going to see a lot of "he's a violent antifascist leftist" and "he's a groyper" but the core of Tyler Robinson's motivation is almost certainly that he's an online-poisoned idiot gamer.
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New from @tinanguyen.bsky.social and me: Charlie Kirk's shooter left behind bullet casings with a furry sex meme and a bunch of Helldivers video game references. Subreddits for Helldivers immediately picked up on it.
https://bsky.app/profile/miasato.bsky.social/post/3lynmr6cra22n
112/0 after 7 (seven) overs.
Edit 124/0 after 7.2 overs.
Rwanda is a good example, not because I am overly offended by the civil rights implications, I am a bit, but far more offended by the contempt he held the nation in. He made the asylum problem worse for both claimants and locals for political gain, and was too stupid and naive to realise that the beneficiaries of that politics would be Refukkers not the Tories.
Not Black.
Not Trans.
Not Muslim.
Not an Immigrant.
Not a Democrat.
Meet Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson.
A white Christian, Conservative, Republican male with a gun... again.
https://x.com/BillyBaldwin/status/1966505118989172895
The alleged shooter's family turned him in and Kash Patel takes credit and calls it "historic progress."
Kash Patel couldn't make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich without detailed instructions and an aide standing beside him.
https://x.com/donwinslow/status/1966552222193643912
Broke my heart, I love Vegas, I love F1, if there's a city designed for me it is Vegas.
He does not appear to have any criminal history, according to state records reviewed by Reuters. He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to state voter records.
There are people - not entirely unreliable - claiming he recently swerved violently left, denouncing Kirk and Trump etc as Nazis. I’ve no idea
A Maga activist, as a public servant.
The access to a firearm bit is, as always, the difference between there and here.
And the family do seem to be reporting he turned extreme left quite recently
However - big caveat - maybe this is all made up bollocks on X? It’s so hard to pin down the actuality
Deep down, we all know that there's a mismatch between the things we want the state to provide and the amount we are happy to pay for them. We know there is a deep hypocricy in our approach to immigration. It's been going on for most of my lifetime, and it's there because we, as voters, vote for it.
Sunak could have thought "sod it, I'm going to lose, but I'm going to hand over a good legacy" by adressing those mismatches. He might have struggled to get it past his MPs, but seriously... who else were they going to put in place? And Truss had set herself up to be the fall gal. Instead, he decided to go deeper into the madness- partly with Rwanda, partly with his "we can cut tax rates because of spending cuts I'm not going to describe".
The coward dies a thousand deaths, the brave but one, as the saying goes. Sunak and Hunt could have been brave, everything was set up for them to be brave, in the way that Major and Clarke were in the runup to 1997. But their actions were those of cowards. And it didn't really save any seats.
Starmer is not good- though I wonder if he is a good as the system lets anyone be, as good as our society deserves. He's certainly better than Sunak.
So all this stuff about him being a Republican and a groyper and all that is total bullshit. Likewise the attempt to blur him as a memelord
This is desperate spin. He’s from a republican family but he’s antifa. He’s extreme left
I guess not.
I am not a gamer. Does this ring true?
If it turns out that he turned Left, then the Left will argue that this whole thing was a False Flag operation,
Alternatively, it could be that he was on the Right and was incensed by Charlie Kirk's recent change of position on Epstein (where he's suddenly decided the files shouldn't be released, and which has caused much consernation online).
The reality is, whether he is of the Left or the Right, is that he is another mentally unstable person who had access to guns. He's also not the only politically prominent person to get shot in the last few years: the Democratic Speaker of the Minnesota House was shot (and murdered) back in June.
Both killings are abhorrent, and when we start trying to pin everything on "the other side", we end up excusing and normalising violence. We also end up with a situation - like in pre-WW2 Japan - where fear of violence stops people from standing up.
It doesn't matter who - or why - Kirk was killed. What matters is that it is not used to for political purposes to try and divide the US further.
Perhaps the 'people' realise the killer was one of theirs, and are now spreading disinformation to make it look as though it's their enemy's fault. And shitheads are propagating the information.
But as others have pointed out, you don't need to be left wing to call people in MAGA Nazis. The vice president himself has done so.
What we have here is a disturbed young man who had apparently been taught to fire guns from a young age, and had easy access to weapons. Sometimes that will not end well, as we see time and time again in the USA. Whilst he is a right-wing dingbat, it doesn't really matter if he is from the left or right: the problem is that he is a disturbed young man who had been taught to use guns, and had easy access to guns.
Which is why the USA needs gun control. And why large segments of the USA will look to blame anything else.
There's also a new problem- provoking people with wobbly minds has become a multibillion dollar industry.
Put the two together...
FWIW, I reckon the vast majority of people on left and right don't actually want to inflict violence on the other side, so it doesn't make sense to put blame on either side for what a loner like this does. Whether he identifies as left or right.
However, when you have something like Jan 6th, where there is clear incitement to violent action, then it makes sense to hold people accountable for that. Bit of a problem that America chose to re-elect Trump, rather than hold him accountable for that event.
It’s fucking ridiculous
I remember a galling conversation with an Algerian taxi driver on the way between Algiers and some Roman ruins along the coast. He was recounting stories from the civil war. Possibly a candidate for nastiest, most evil civil war in the 20th century, alongside Rwanda. There, boys entered villages and murdered their kin including their own parents, in the name of ideological purity and Allah’s will.
In a battle as final and all consuming as the US culture war, if your son joins the ranks of the mortal enemy then maybe he deserves to be dobbed in.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/astrazeneca-pauses-270-million-investment-britain-2025-09-12/
'He’s from a republican family but he’s antifa. He’s extreme left '
7 minutes.
This is so absurd it’s funny
“It’s mainly memes from games axkshuuully”
However, the BBC has examined French property and company records and has been unable to find evidence that Ms Ferrari's parents have the means to fund their daughter's purchase of the home."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yg0l8vr9vo
I appreciate those records are publically available - but I'm surprised the BBC think it's ok to trawl through them when they're not even married.
And I’ve only just sat down and looked at the evidence. All this antifa stuff is in the actual briefing by the FBI and the governor of Utah. Have you not watched it? I have, now. Takes about 7 minutes
Otherwise you can fuck right off.
Frankly, the FBI should redirect its resources into double checking there’s been no match fixing.
You might be a bit premature.
Yaxley-Lennon has his big rally tommorow.
This story is a year old and very important. As someone who knows jack shit about right wing references and ideology but knows plenty about gaming culture, Helldivers was specifically attracting fascist freaks even though the devs went to great lengths to explain the concept of satire.
https://www.polygon.com/24093674/helldivers-2-discord-meta-role-play-fandom-joel/
Though England are going to end up below 300 and that feels very disappointing.
Is this the 50s? We have the internet.
He’s popular in America. They pay ££££ for speeches. And so on
I’d be surprised if Farage is worse less than £5m
"I've even been this week to a King's Counsel tax expert and paid a lot of money to make sure that everything we've done is legal and right."
Asked why he had sought expert tax advice, Farage said he was "really concerned" that some media reports were "beginning to stray into libel territory".
"So I have now done everything I can at every level to prove that everything that's been done is legal, correct and right," he added.
"It's been a very expensive week."
Yet he told the press that it wasn't his money, so who did give it to Ferrari?, what were the terms?, and was the source of funds declared to the conveyancer?
It is very relevant when discussing the possible next PM.
I’m just answering the question you asked. It is entirely credible that Farage has a lot of money
I may have posted this at 299 off 19.4….
And Rabada is bowling 10 ball overs…
It’s a shame his political talents came in a package with far right ideology rather than, say, centrist Dadaism.