Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
Well, you could write him his victory speech. You couldn't give it because your tongue is so firmly in your cheek you'd be unintelligible.
Are you seriously accusing Nigel Farage MP of securing a mortgage in his constituency of Clacton-on-Sea by “ejaculating onto the Pope for a TikTok bet”??
Really?? Because that’s what it sounds like. And respected PBers are bruiting this like it’s some credible hypothesis
Get a grip. This site is becoming ludicrous
No, never said at all as you well know.
I'm more interested in your traditional "let's kill off the left" message which you've bored us with in all your ridiculous incarnations for the last 15 years or more.
I suppose you'd prefer a two party system - the "hard right" and the "harder right" with power changing between the two based, rather like central American politics of the 1980s, on which group's death squads were more efficient.
If Nigel Farage masturbated on the Pope, he would at least be hard and on the right.
This is absolutely absurd. I can’t believe the pb Left is reduced to this kind of pathetic, libellous and frankly surreal speculation. You’re so scared of reform winning you’ll make up outrageous nonsense. “Oh yeah everyone knows Nigel masturbated onto the pope”
Don’t you realise how infantile you sound? No one will ever believe this. But, hey, knock yourselves out
I’m actually quoting your own words.
Honestly, even Cummings has a better grasp of reality than this.
Jacob Rees Mogg has just prayed in Latin for the soul of Charlie Kirk on his GB News show
Quite frankly Rees-Mogg is turning the man's death into a circus. Yes, we know Rees-Mogg knows some Latin. He doesn't have to parade it on this occasion and make it all about him. Poor taste in my opinion.
Which pronunciation did he use, btw?
Ooh, good question. Aren't there two: one where it's pronounced as it was thought to be pronounced long ago, and another when it's pronounced as it would be now?
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
After Rayner going, it does put Farage in a difficult place doesn’t it - that much is clearly there between the lines of what you just posted.
looking at the heat gradually building on Farage over property dealings - someone posted on PB yesterday farage wife family super rich she could buy him the house, that was very wrong, the only place the house money could have come from is Nigel himself.
We don’t all love him on this site - Farage is an odious twat. I’m pleased Farage is going to get bit by bit dismantled long before the next election comes. The first bit is happening right now.
Remind us what you declared the Reform ceiling was?
Reform are about their ceiling now, 34% 18 months into a term where the first couple of years of a new government is difficult for them - was too for Lady Thatcher but strength then built from there - and the Conservative Party are rebuilding their credibility as government in waiting already last couple of months, the polling will soon reflect this largely at Reforms expense, I confidently predict.
I can easily explain the Achilles Heel that destroys Reform in the next couple of years - they are not different than the other parties. Reform does not have different policies than the other parties that look remotely credible or likely to work any better. Last nights immigration debate special, categorical proved this in my top drawer analysis. They got to 34% not as a differential in policy making, just a none of the above on a ballot paper. Without stronger, more credible policies coming from somewhere, Reform have reached their peak, and now can only deteriorate.
But what I have always posted on PB, and I stand by again tonight, Reform are in the weakest electoral position of all in first past the post General Elections. If they are as high as 34% and not low twenties at end of Parliament when swingback kicks in - Milliband was 15% ahead with just a year to go - then due to fear and loathing of Reform from the other 66% of voters, the vast majority of the 66% will vote whatever way they can to keep Reform out. Maybe not mid term, but definitely at the end of this parliament. If Reform get 25% PV, that’s whopping 75% of votes out to stop them getting seats.
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
As John Rentoul said, Farage has never been sanctimonious about other people's tax affairs, so could bat away anyone delving into his without being compromised politically in the way Rayner was. It doesn't matter.
Farage literally said a few days ago that Rayner had to go over an underpayment of stamp duty that was almost identical to his own apparent underpayment.
I don't think he sat as a moral judge demanding her resignation. He might have said she'll have to go over the hypocrisy or something like that.
Jacob Rees Mogg has just prayed in Latin for the soul of Charlie Kirk on his GB News show
Quite frankly Rees-Mogg is turning the man's death into a circus. Yes, we know Rees-Mogg knows some Latin. He doesn't have to parade it on this occasion and make it all about him. Poor taste in my opinion.
Which pronunciation did he use, btw?
Ooh, good question. Aren't there two: one where it's pronounced as it was thought to be pronounced long ago, and another when it's pronounced as it would be now?
Yes, the first one is as it would have been at Eton in about 1860, and the second one is reconstructed. Sissero vs Kikero etc.
But isn't there also a trad RC one, too? IANAE though.
Anyway, in important news, Bolsonaro has been found guilty of treason and seems likely to spend the rest of his life inside.
SCOTUS, please note how the rule of law operates.
I totally agree with you... although there is a distinguishing feature in that Bolsonaro's attempted coup happened after he was President, while Trump's was before so the protection SCOTUS fashioned for sitting Presidents wouldn't be applicable.
I appreciate it was a dreadful SCOTUS decision, but they were adjudicating the discretion of Presidents, not ex-Presidents.
A lot of chat on the last thread on Farage’s other half buying the house in Clacton and “how could she afford the mortgage”/“how could her parents afford the mortgage”.
Slightly playing devil’s advocate it’s potentially very easy. She doesn’t have a mortgage.* this is all bollocks if he’s said she has a mortgage btw.
Funnily enough she doesn’t need a mortgage. I know loads of people who do private lending on property. If it’s someone who might be of use, good potential financially in the future or any other upside it’s very easy if you know the right companies and private lenders for her to have got a lump from her family (more on this later) and then taken out an interest only loan to buy the property without it being secured against the property if, for example Nige, guaranteed it, or another contact guaranteed it.
They likely have no concept of it being their “forever home” so it’s not like they want to buy so that they can retire in their home they have paid off in sunny Clacton, they just need to service it for the period they need it.
Once it’s served it’s use they sell it off and it’s effectively been a rental (possibly more expensive than a mortgage but no long term plans for it).
It allows them to demonstrate “commitment” to the constituency by “buying” but it’s not really a long term purchase.
So, back to her family, there is nothing to have stopped Nigel or a contact to gift her family some money. Then her family decide to give the “deposit” to her and so company x lends her 65/75% ltv and she’s just paying the interest. It doesn’t have to even be her because on a private mortgage or loan as long as the lender knows they will get the interest they aren’t going to care.
So technically she has bought a home in the constituency. Her family has helped her buy it with their money technically, there is likely nothing legally wrong with this and likely legally nothing that is tax avoidance.
It’s an expensive way of doing things but cheap if it allows Nigel to suggest to low IQ voters that he has a home in their community.
He doesn’t need to lie to a lender, he doesn’t have to juggle the first v second home issue, he’s going to make a fortune if not already over the period so very few lenders will see him failing with a guarantee.
It might not sit right with people but the point of this scenario is that he can do this without breaking any laws or rules regardless of his partner’s actual wealth/family wealth and on a technicality he can say “my partner bought this house with the help of family money”.
This is of course a made up situation that might be miles away from the truth but people seem to be trying to equate what Rayner did with his situation and there are so many alternative options that I don’t think that Farage and his background/contacts wouldn’t have the planning help and savvy to make it work.
Rayner failed to take expert legal advice and found herself liable for tax that she could have morally and legally avoided, then tried to cover up her mistake.
What you're outlining is a complicated, and probably entirely unnecessary, arrangement that would be likely to set off money-laundering sirens at all the law firms involved.
You clearly have a higher opinion of expensive law firms than I do.
No you're right, ordinary people who need a mortgage have to account for every penny of their deposit and get any relative who'd gifted them money towards the deposit to put in writing that they don't have a claim on the property. While people buying for cash just leave it up to the law firms' as to whether they're asked to prove source of funds, though Nige is a PEP so they'd be a bit reckless if they didn't ask him*. Law Society guidance on lack of curiosity https://www.lawsociety.org.uk/Topics/Anti-money-laundering/Guides/source-of-funds-clean-or-consistent-with-risk
*hence a PEP might prefer someone else to make the purchase
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
Well, you could write him his victory speech. You couldn't give it because your tongue is so firmly in your cheek you'd be unintelligible.
Are you seriously accusing Nigel Farage MP of securing a mortgage in his constituency of Clacton-on-Sea by “ejaculating onto the Pope for a TikTok bet”??
Really?? Because that’s what it sounds like. And respected PBers are bruiting this like it’s some credible hypothesis
Get a grip. This site is becoming ludicrous
No, never said at all as you well know.
I'm more interested in your traditional "let's kill off the left" message which you've bored us with in all your ridiculous incarnations for the last 15 years or more.
I suppose you'd prefer a two party system - the "hard right" and the "harder right" with power changing between the two based, rather like central American politics of the 1980s, on which group's death squads were more efficient.
If Nigel Farage masturbated on the Pope, he would at least be hard and on the right.
This is absolutely absurd. I can’t believe the pb Left is reduced to this kind of pathetic, libellous and frankly surreal speculation. You’re so scared of reform winning you’ll make up outrageous nonsense. “Oh yeah everyone knows Nigel masturbated onto the pope”
Don’t you realise how infantile you sound? No one will ever believe this. But, hey, knock yourselves out
I’m actually quoting your own words.
Honestly, even Cummings has a better grasp of reality than this.
I don’t actually understand all this Popish masturbatory nonsense you are all indulging in, but I do know the political bottom line of the trouble Farage is in. If Rayner is guilty of defrauding the country of tax, and destroyed, then who else for equivalent misdemeanour 🤷♀️ Despite numerous different answers from Farage as to who bought the house, it’s now clear enough the only sizeable amount of money that bought it came from Nigel Himself. And this is just the start.
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
As John Rentoul said, Farage has never been sanctimonious about other people's tax affairs, so could bat away anyone delving into his without being compromised politically in the way Rayner was. It doesn't matter.
Farage literally said a few days ago that Rayner had to go over an underpayment of stamp duty that was almost identical to his own apparent underpayment.
I don't think he sat as a moral judge demanding her resignation. He might have said she'll have to go over the hypocrisy or something like that.
After what destroyed Rayner - many finance experts on PB pointed out was not the most clear cut or heinous of crimes - but she’s gone, it destroyed her, the precedent set by universal calling for her sacking means the next media fuckmule taking down a top politician might not be a Labour politician.
Wasn't it scared an angry before this too? Morerer scared and angry, possibly.
Yes, but it was disturbing. I was not as affected by the death, because he was an American and I'm British. So I regretted his death and pronounced my sympathies in a polite and sincere manner: he did not deserve to die in that way. But having watched that Unherd video I was disquieted at the visceral nature of it. Two observations about the Very Online Right is i) they feel things viscerally and are quick to anger/fear, and ii) there aren't any borders any more. Sayers is a Brit, but shared in the grief of the American interviewees as part of one tribe or family. I don't work like that so although I can analyse the emotion and empathise with it, I cannot share it in the same way. @Leon or his predecessor was correct: people live online these days.
I think I would fared badly in the studio. My instinct would be to say to wait for more info before taking precipitate action but that would not have gone down well. A better approach would have been to empathise with their loss, but would I have thought of it in time? I doubt it.
Anyway, in important news, Bolsonaro has been found guilty of treason and seems likely to spend the rest of his life inside.
SCOTUS, please note how the rule of law operates.
I totally agree with you... although there is a distinguishing feature in that Bolsonaro's attempted coup happened after he was President, while Trump's was before so the protection SCOTUS fashioned for sitting Presidents wouldn't be applicable.
I appreciate it was a dreadful SCOTUS decision, but they were adjudicating the discretion of Presidents, not ex-Presidents.
I'm fairly sure Trump was President at the time of his attempted coup?
Anyway, in important news, Bolsonaro has been found guilty of treason and seems likely to spend the rest of his life inside.
SCOTUS, please note how the rule of law operates.
I totally agree with you... although there is a distinguishing feature in that Bolsonaro's attempted coup happened after he was President, while Trump's was before so the protection SCOTUS fashioned for sitting Presidents wouldn't be applicable.
I appreciate it was a dreadful SCOTUS decision, but they were adjudicating the discretion of Presidents, not ex-Presidents.
Jacob Rees Mogg has just prayed in Latin for the soul of Charlie Kirk on his GB News show
Quite frankly Rees-Mogg is turning the man's death into a circus. Yes, we know Rees-Mogg knows some Latin. He doesn't have to parade it on this occasion and make it all about him. Poor taste in my opinion.
Which pronunciation did he use, btw?
Ooh, good question. Aren't there two: one where it's pronounced as it was thought to be pronounced long ago, and another when it's pronounced as it would be now?
Yes, the first one is as it would have been at Eton in about 1860, and the second one is reconstructed. Sissero vs Kikero etc.
But isn't there also a trad RC one, too? IANAE though.
Yes, I think there's a Roman Catholic one as well. Not sure though.
I have never understood why so many British people get so animated about events in America. Sad day for his family, but a man I have never heard of being killed in a country famed for gun violence didn’t really register for me.
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
As John Rentoul said, Farage has never been sanctimonious about other people's tax affairs, so could bat away anyone delving into his without being compromised politically in the way Rayner was. It doesn't matter.
Farage literally said a few days ago that Rayner had to go over an underpayment of stamp duty that was almost identical to his own apparent underpayment.
I don't think he sat as a moral judge demanding her resignation. He might have said she'll have to go over the hypocrisy or something like that.
"You can't be housing secretary and avoid £40,000 pounds' worth of stamp duty. It's just as simple as that."
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
As John Rentoul said, Farage has never been sanctimonious about other people's tax affairs, so could bat away anyone delving into his without being compromised politically in the way Rayner was. It doesn't matter.
Farage literally said a few days ago that Rayner had to go over an underpayment of stamp duty that was almost identical to his own apparent underpayment.
What matters is whether it’s lawful, or not. Not whether someone has structured their affairs to minimise their tax bill.
Wasn't it scared an angry before this too? Morerer scared and angry, possibly.
Yes, but it was disturbing. I was not as affected by the death, because he was an American and I'm British. So I regretted his death and pronounced my sympathies in a polite and sincere manner: he did not deserve to die in that way. But having watched that Unherd video I was disquieted at the visceral nature of it. Two observations about the Very Online Right is i) they feel things viscerally and are quick to anger/fear, and ii) there aren't any borders any more. Sayers is a Brit, but shared in the grief of the American interviewees as part of one tribe or family. I don't work like that so although I can analyse the emotion and empathise with it, I cannot share it in the same way. @Leon or his predecessor was correct: people live online these days.
I think I would fared badly in the studio. My instinct would be to say to wait for more info before taking precipitate action but that would not have gone down well. A better approach would have been to empathise with their loss, but would I have thought of it in time? I doubt it.
I hate the 2020s.
Kirk hated empathy. "New Age word which has done a lot of damage." So to empathise would be performatively cruel.
Anyway, in important news, Bolsonaro has been found guilty of treason and seems likely to spend the rest of his life inside.
SCOTUS, please note how the rule of law operates.
I totally agree with you... although there is a distinguishing feature in that Bolsonaro's attempted coup happened after he was President, while Trump's was before so the protection SCOTUS fashioned for sitting Presidents wouldn't be applicable.
I appreciate it was a dreadful SCOTUS decision, but they were adjudicating the discretion of Presidents, not ex-Presidents.
I'm fairly sure Trump was President at the time of his attempted coup?
Yes - sorry, I mean Jan 6 was before Trump became an ex-President, (i.e. whilst he was still 45th President) not before he was President altogether. When Bolsonaro attempted his coup, he'd already left office.
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
As John Rentoul said, Farage has never been sanctimonious about other people's tax affairs, so could bat away anyone delving into his without being compromised politically in the way Rayner was. It doesn't matter.
Farage literally said a few days ago that Rayner had to go over an underpayment of stamp duty that was almost identical to his own apparent underpayment.
I don't think he sat as a moral judge demanding her resignation. He might have said she'll have to go over the hypocrisy or something like that.
He did say 'I don't see how she can survive this' but also referred to her behaviour as 'screaming of entitlement.'
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
As John Rentoul said, Farage has never been sanctimonious about other people's tax affairs, so could bat away anyone delving into his without being compromised politically in the way Rayner was. It doesn't matter.
Farage literally said a few days ago that Rayner had to go over an underpayment of stamp duty that was almost identical to his own apparent underpayment.
I don't think he sat as a moral judge demanding her resignation. He might have said she'll have to go over the hypocrisy or something like that.
After what destroyed Rayner - many finance experts on PB pointed out was not the most clear cut or heinous of crimes - but she’s gone, it destroyed her, the precedent set by universal calling for her sacking means the next media fuckmule taking down a top politician might not be a Labour politician.
The issue is that Rayner broke the law, however inadvertently. You can say it’s a stupid law, and I’d agree, but them’s the breaks.
On topic - if it’s “prolier than though” then Wendolene Ramsbottom wins and Useless Lucy loses.
But this is not a “prolier than though” election, nor whose most Northern election. It’s one of those actual merits of each candidate, or merits of their platforms, don’t matter diddly squat. The only thing Unions and Labour members will ask is “where do I put my cross to most hurt Starmer?”
Useless Lucy wins comfortably, probably by same margin Truss had over Rishi Sunak.
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
As John Rentoul said, Farage has never been sanctimonious about other people's tax affairs, so could bat away anyone delving into his without being compromised politically in the way Rayner was. It doesn't matter.
Farage literally said a few days ago that Rayner had to go over an underpayment of stamp duty that was almost identical to his own apparent underpayment.
I don't think he sat as a moral judge demanding her resignation. He might have said she'll have to go over the hypocrisy or something like that.
After what destroyed Rayner - many finance experts on PB pointed out was not the most clear cut or heinous of crimes - but she’s gone, it destroyed her, the precedent set by universal calling for her sacking means the next media fuckmule taking down a top politician might not be a Labour politician.
The issue is that Rayner broke the law, however inadvertently. You can say it’s a stupid law, and I’d agree, but them’s the breaks.
And that’s now the precedent all top politicians are now going to get measured against.
A lot of chat on the last thread on Farage’s other half buying the house in Clacton and “how could she afford the mortgage”/“how could her parents afford the mortgage”.
Slightly playing devil’s advocate it’s potentially very easy. She doesn’t have a mortgage.* this is all bollocks if he’s said she has a mortgage btw.
Funnily enough she doesn’t need a mortgage. I know loads of people who do private lending on property. If it’s someone who might be of use, good potential financially in the future or any other upside it’s very easy if you know the right companies and private lenders for her to have got a lump from her family (more on this later) and then taken out an interest only loan to buy the property without it being secured against the property if, for example Nige, guaranteed it, or another contact guaranteed it.
They likely have no concept of it being their “forever home” so it’s not like they want to buy so that they can retire in their home they have paid off in sunny Clacton, they just need to service it for the period they need it.
Once it’s served it’s use they sell it off and it’s effectively been a rental (possibly more expensive than a mortgage but no long term plans for it).
It allows them to demonstrate “commitment” to the constituency by “buying” but it’s not really a long term purchase.
So, back to her family, there is nothing to have stopped Nigel or a contact to gift her family some money. Then her family decide to give the “deposit” to her and so company x lends her 65/75% ltv and she’s just paying the interest. It doesn’t have to even be her because on a private mortgage or loan as long as the lender knows they will get the interest they aren’t going to care.
So technically she has bought a home in the constituency. Her family has helped her buy it with their money technically, there is likely nothing legally wrong with this and likely legally nothing that is tax avoidance.
It’s an expensive way of doing things but cheap if it allows Nigel to suggest to low IQ voters that he has a home in their community.
He doesn’t need to lie to a lender, he doesn’t have to juggle the first v second home issue, he’s going to make a fortune if not already over the period so very few lenders will see him failing with a guarantee.
It might not sit right with people but the point of this scenario is that he can do this without breaking any laws or rules regardless of his partner’s actual wealth/family wealth and on a technicality he can say “my partner bought this house with the help of family money”.
This is of course a made up situation that might be miles away from the truth but people seem to be trying to equate what Rayner did with his situation and there are so many alternative options that I don’t think that Farage and his background/contacts wouldn’t have the planning help and savvy to make it work.
Rayner failed to take expert legal advice and found herself liable for tax that she could have morally and legally avoided, then tried to cover up her mistake.
What you're outlining is a complicated, and probably entirely unnecessary, arrangement that would be likely to set off money-laundering sirens at all the law firms involved.
You clearly have a higher opinion of expensive law firms than I do.
No you're right, ordinary people who need a mortgage have to account for every penny of their deposit and get any relative who'd gifted them money towards the deposit to put in writing that they don't have a claim on the property. While people buying for cash just leave it up to the law firms' as to whether they're asked to prove source of funds, though Nige is a PEP so they'd be a bit reckless if they didn't ask him*. Law Society guidance on lack of curiosity https://www.lawsociety.org.uk/Topics/Anti-money-laundering/Guides/source-of-funds-clean-or-consistent-with-risk
*hence a PEP might prefer someone else to make the purchase
A lot of chat on the last thread on Farage’s other half buying the house in Clacton and “how could she afford the mortgage”/“how could her parents afford the mortgage”.
Slightly playing devil’s advocate it’s potentially very easy. She doesn’t have a mortgage.* this is all bollocks if he’s said she has a mortgage btw.
Funnily enough she doesn’t need a mortgage. I know loads of people who do private lending on property. If it’s someone who might be of use, good potential financially in the future or any other upside it’s very easy if you know the right companies and private lenders for her to have got a lump from her family (more on this later) and then taken out an interest only loan to buy the property without it being secured against the property if, for example Nige, guaranteed it, or another contact guaranteed it.
They likely have no concept of it being their “forever home” so it’s not like they want to buy so that they can retire in their home they have paid off in sunny Clacton, they just need to service it for the period they need it.
Once it’s served it’s use they sell it off and it’s effectively been a rental (possibly more expensive than a mortgage but no long term plans for it).
It allows them to demonstrate “commitment” to the constituency by “buying” but it’s not really a long term purchase.
So, back to her family, there is nothing to have stopped Nigel or a contact to gift her family some money. Then her family decide to give the “deposit” to her and so company x lends her 65/75% ltv and she’s just paying the interest. It doesn’t have to even be her because on a private mortgage or loan as long as the lender knows they will get the interest they aren’t going to care.
So technically she has bought a home in the constituency. Her family has helped her buy it with their money technically, there is likely nothing legally wrong with this and likely legally nothing that is tax avoidance.
It’s an expensive way of doing things but cheap if it allows Nigel to suggest to low IQ voters that he has a home in their community.
He doesn’t need to lie to a lender, he doesn’t have to juggle the first v second home issue, he’s going to make a fortune if not already over the period so very few lenders will see him failing with a guarantee.
It might not sit right with people but the point of this scenario is that he can do this without breaking any laws or rules regardless of his partner’s actual wealth/family wealth and on a technicality he can say “my partner bought this house with the help of family money”.
This is of course a made up situation that might be miles away from the truth but people seem to be trying to equate what Rayner did with his situation and there are so many alternative options that I don’t think that Farage and his background/contacts wouldn’t have the planning help and savvy to make it work.
Rayner failed to take expert legal advice and found herself liable for tax that she could have morally and legally avoided, then tried to cover up her mistake.
What you're outlining is a complicated, and probably entirely unnecessary, arrangement that would be likely to set off money-laundering sirens at all the law firms involved.
You clearly have a higher opinion of expensive law firms than I do.
No you're right, ordinary people who need a mortgage have to account for every penny of their deposit and get any relative who'd gifted them money towards the deposit to put in writing that they don't have a claim on the property. While people buying for cash just leave it up to the law firms' as to whether they're asked to prove source of funds, though Nige is a PEP so they'd be a bit reckless if they didn't ask him*. Law Society guidance on lack of curiosity https://www.lawsociety.org.uk/Topics/Anti-money-laundering/Guides/source-of-funds-clean-or-consistent-with-risk
*hence a PEP might prefer someone else to make the purchase
I think you are on to something here.
Farage may have not been avoiding Stamp Duty but rather avoiding scrutiny as to the source of his funds.
Wasn't it scared an angry before this too? Morerer scared and angry, possibly.
Yes, but it was disturbing. I was not as affected by the death, because he was an American and I'm British. So I regretted his death and pronounced my sympathies in a polite and sincere manner: he did not deserve to die in that way. But having watched that Unherd video I was disquieted at the visceral nature of it. Two observations about the Very Online Right is i) they feel things viscerally and are quick to anger/fear, and ii) there aren't any borders any more. Sayers is a Brit, but shared in the grief of the American interviewees as part of one tribe or family. I don't work like that so although I can analyse the emotion and empathise with it, I cannot share it in the same way. @Leon or his predecessor was correct: people live online these days.
I think I would fared badly in the studio. My instinct would be to say to wait for more info before taking precipitate action but that would not have gone down well. A better approach would have been to empathise with their loss, but would I have thought of it in time? I doubt it.
I hate the 2020s.
Kirk hated empathy. "New Age word which has done a lot of damage." So to empathise would be performatively cruel.
I have a bit of sympathy with Kirk's view on empathy (even if I don't with a lot of his nonsense).
I'm not totally sure I feel empathy very often as such. When something awful has happened to a friend, I very much feel sympathy... but possibly it is a bit of a show off move to suggest I'm experiencing the same emotions as them... in honesty, I'm probably not. I do worry that the performative aspect is a bit damaging.
Jacob Rees Mogg has just prayed in Latin for the soul of Charlie Kirk on his GB News show
Quite frankly Rees-Mogg is turning the man's death into a circus. Yes, we know Rees-Mogg knows some Latin. He doesn't have to parade it on this occasion and make it all about him. Poor taste in my opinion.
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."
Matthew 6: 5-6 KJV
If you want to pray in secret, doing so on GB News amounts to almost the same thing.
On topic - if it’s “prolier than though” then Wendolene Ramsbottom wins and Useless Lucy loses.
But this is not a “prolier than though” election, nor whose most Northern election. It’s one of those actual merits of each candidate, or merits of their platforms, don’t matter diddly squat. The only thing Unions and Labour members will ask is “where do I put my cross to most hurt Starmer?”
Useless Lucy wins comfortably, probably by same margin Truss had over Rishi Sunak.
» show previous quotes Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas . Labour MPs aren’t going to bring down their own government , at most it might force Starmer out but even that’s a stretch . -------- Having such a large Labour majority may in the end prove to be more of a danger to Starmer's leadership than having a much smaller one, it appears to have emboldened the government backbenches to become more openly critical and rebellious very quickly. Starmer's authority is draining away and the Labour deputy leadership contest and conference is only going to highlight this further in the run up to the Autumn budget.
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
As John Rentoul said, Farage has never been sanctimonious about other people's tax affairs, so could bat away anyone delving into his without being compromised politically in the way Rayner was. It doesn't matter.
Farage literally said a few days ago that Rayner had to go over an underpayment of stamp duty that was almost identical to his own apparent underpayment.
I don't think he sat as a moral judge demanding her resignation. He might have said she'll have to go over the hypocrisy or something like that.
After what destroyed Rayner - many finance experts on PB pointed out was not the most clear cut or heinous of crimes - but she’s gone, it destroyed her, the precedent set by universal calling for her sacking means the next media fuckmule taking down a top politician might not be a Labour politician.
The issue is that Rayner broke the law, however inadvertently. You can say it’s a stupid law, and I’d agree, but them’s the breaks.
And that’s now the precedent all top politicians are now going to get measured against.
If it encouraged them to do something about our very large number of stupid and obscurantist laws, that would actually be a good thing.
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
As John Rentoul said, Farage has never been sanctimonious about other people's tax affairs, so could bat away anyone delving into his without being compromised politically in the way Rayner was. It doesn't matter.
Farage literally said a few days ago that Rayner had to go over an underpayment of stamp duty that was almost identical to his own apparent underpayment.
I don't think he sat as a moral judge demanding her resignation. He might have said she'll have to go over the hypocrisy or something like that.
After what destroyed Rayner - many finance experts on PB pointed out was not the most clear cut or heinous of crimes - but she’s gone, it destroyed her, the precedent set by universal calling for her sacking means the next media fuckmule taking down a top politician might not be a Labour politician.
What destroyed her was her previous sanctimony on other peoples tax affairs, and Sir Keir wanting to be known as Mr Integrity. Farage doesn’t have the same high mindedness when it comes to theee things, and his image is that of someone who probably breaks the odd rule, so I don’t think it would harm him in the same way
For as bad a week Starmer is having, is actually the two most loosest cannons he has lost.
Mandelson is down beyond a low lying fruit, the type of fruit that just drops off without need for picking. Certainly not a scalp for anyone. He’s basically scalped himself. Again.
Also Rayners resignation comes with side benefits - where Starmer has dodged a bullet not having to have Rayner behind desk of a big ministry in his cabinet, trying to deliver key promise of 1.5M homes, that’s just not her political Forte, and she was failing it big time, over a third short. There’s a question how much lasting damage has been done to Starmer and Labour with Mandleson gone so quickly. And how much further both resignation story’s can run as media story.
In fact, I can’t 100% rule out Rayner was actually done by Number 10. Can you?
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
Well, you could write him his victory speech. You couldn't give it because your tongue is so firmly in your cheek you'd be unintelligible.
Are you seriously accusing Nigel Farage MP of securing a mortgage in his constituency of Clacton-on-Sea by “ejaculating onto the Pope for a TikTok bet”??
Really?? Because that’s what it sounds like. And respected PBers are bruiting this like it’s some credible hypothesis
Get a grip. This site is becoming ludicrous
No, never said at all as you well know.
I'm more interested in your traditional "let's kill off the left" message which you've bored us with in all your ridiculous incarnations for the last 15 years or more.
I suppose you'd prefer a two party system - the "hard right" and the "harder right" with power changing between the two based, rather like central American politics of the 1980s, on which group's death squads were more efficient.
If Nigel Farage masturbated on the Pope, he would at least be hard and on the right.
This is absolutely absurd. I can’t believe the pb Left is reduced to this kind of pathetic, libellous and frankly surreal speculation. You’re so scared of reform winning you’ll make up outrageous nonsense. “Oh yeah everyone knows Nigel masturbated onto the pope”
Don’t you realise how infantile you sound? No one will ever believe this. But, hey, knock yourselves out
I’m actually quoting your own words.
Honestly, even Cummings has a better grasp of reality than this.
I don’t actually understand all this Popish masturbatory nonsense you are all indulging in, but I do know the political bottom line of the trouble Farage is in. If Rayner is guilty of defrauding the country of tax, and destroyed, then who else for equivalent misdemeanour 🤷♀️ Despite numerous different answers from Farage as to who bought the house, it’s now clear enough the only sizeable amount of money that bought it came from Nigel Himself. And this is just the start.
It’s pretty basic @MoonRabbit - but I entirely understand and empathise with your bewilderment. It’s so surreal it’s hard to believe
The PB left - and the wider left beyond PB - is now claiming that Nigel Farage MP somehow broke into the papal quarters in the Vatican City - avoiding the Swiss guards who are specifically trained for this kind of event - and made it into the pontifical bedchamber and managed to orgasm over Pope Leo XIV
Just writing it makes me feel unclean. And kind of sad. Yet this is what they are now alleging
Jacob Rees Mogg has just prayed in Latin for the soul of Charlie Kirk on his GB News show
Quite frankly Rees-Mogg is turning the man's death into a circus. Yes, we know Rees-Mogg knows some Latin. He doesn't have to parade it on this occasion and make it all about him. Poor taste in my opinion.
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."
Matthew 6: 5-6 KJV
If you want to pray in secret, doing so on GB News amounts to almost the same thing.
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
Well, you could write him his victory speech. You couldn't give it because your tongue is so firmly in your cheek you'd be unintelligible.
Are you seriously accusing Nigel Farage MP of securing a mortgage in his constituency of Clacton-on-Sea by “ejaculating onto the Pope for a TikTok bet”??
Really?? Because that’s what it sounds like. And respected PBers are bruiting this like it’s some credible hypothesis
Get a grip. This site is becoming ludicrous
No, never said at all as you well know.
I'm more interested in your traditional "let's kill off the left" message which you've bored us with in all your ridiculous incarnations for the last 15 years or more.
I suppose you'd prefer a two party system - the "hard right" and the "harder right" with power changing between the two based, rather like central American politics of the 1980s, on which group's death squads were more efficient.
If Nigel Farage masturbated on the Pope, he would at least be hard and on the right.
This is absolutely absurd. I can’t believe the pb Left is reduced to this kind of pathetic, libellous and frankly surreal speculation. You’re so scared of reform winning you’ll make up outrageous nonsense. “Oh yeah everyone knows Nigel masturbated onto the pope”
Don’t you realise how infantile you sound? No one will ever believe this. But, hey, knock yourselves out
I’m actually quoting your own words.
Honestly, even Cummings has a better grasp of reality than this.
I don’t actually understand all this Popish masturbatory nonsense you are all indulging in, but I do know the political bottom line of the trouble Farage is in. If Rayner is guilty of defrauding the country of tax, and destroyed, then who else for equivalent misdemeanour 🤷♀️ Despite numerous different answers from Farage as to who bought the house, it’s now clear enough the only sizeable amount of money that bought it came from Nigel Himself. And this is just the start.
It’s pretty basic @MoonRabbit - but I entirely understand and empathise with your bewilderment. It’s so surreal it’s hard to believe
The PB left - and the wider left beyond PB - is now claiming that Nigel Farage MP somehow broke into the papal quarters in the Vatican City - avoiding the Swiss guards who are specifically trained for this kind of event - and made it into the pontifical bedchamber and managed to orgasm over Pope Leo XIV
Just writing it makes me feel unclean. And kind of sad. Yet this is what they are now alleging
For as bad a week Starmer is having, is actually the two most loosest cannons he has lost.
Mandelson is down beyond a low lying fruit, the type of fruit that just drops off without need for picking. Certainly not a scalp for anyone. He’s basically scalped himself. Again.
Also Rayners resignation comes with side benefits - where Starmer has dodged a bullet not having to have Rayner behind desk of a big ministry in his cabinet, trying to deliver key promise of 1.5M homes, that’s just not her political Forte, and she was failing it big time, over a third short. There’s a question how much lasting damage has been done to Starmer and Labour with Mandleson gone so quickly. And how much further both resignation story’s can run as media story.
In fact, I can’t 100% rule out Rayner was actually done by Number 10. Can you?
For as bad a week Starmer is having, is actually the two most loosest cannons he has lost.
Mandelson is down beyond a low lying fruit, the type of fruit that just drops off without need for picking. Certainly not a scalp for anyone. He’s basically scalped himself. Again.
Also Rayners resignation comes with side benefits - where Starmer has dodged a bullet not having to have Rayner behind desk of a big ministry in his cabinet, trying to deliver key promise of 1.5M homes, that’s just not her political Forte, and she was failing it big time, over a third short. There’s a question how much lasting damage has been done to Starmer and Labour with Mandleson gone so quickly. And how much further both resignation story’s can run as media story.
In fact, I can’t 100% rule out Rayner was actually done by Number 10. Can you?
No, but it seems improbable. Much though Starmer might have cause to mistrust or despise her, Rayner at least offered both a northern non-elite counterpoint to himself and a measure of predictability. A deputy leadership contest in a divided party is not helpful to him.
If you suggested Streeting or Reeves was behind it, I think you might be able to make a better case. Streeting, becuase it eliminates a key rival should Starmer stumble, and Reeves, because Starmer can hardly lose a DPM and a Chancellor in quick succession.
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
Well, you could write him his victory speech. You couldn't give it because your tongue is so firmly in your cheek you'd be unintelligible.
Are you seriously accusing Nigel Farage MP of securing a mortgage in his constituency of Clacton-on-Sea by “ejaculating onto the Pope for a TikTok bet”??
Really?? Because that’s what it sounds like. And respected PBers are bruiting this like it’s some credible hypothesis
Get a grip. This site is becoming ludicrous
No, never said at all as you well know.
I'm more interested in your traditional "let's kill off the left" message which you've bored us with in all your ridiculous incarnations for the last 15 years or more.
I suppose you'd prefer a two party system - the "hard right" and the "harder right" with power changing between the two based, rather like central American politics of the 1980s, on which group's death squads were more efficient.
If Nigel Farage masturbated on the Pope, he would at least be hard and on the right.
This is absolutely absurd. I can’t believe the pb Left is reduced to this kind of pathetic, libellous and frankly surreal speculation. You’re so scared of reform winning you’ll make up outrageous nonsense. “Oh yeah everyone knows Nigel masturbated onto the pope”
Don’t you realise how infantile you sound? No one will ever believe this. But, hey, knock yourselves out
I’m actually quoting your own words.
Honestly, even Cummings has a better grasp of reality than this.
I don’t actually understand all this Popish masturbatory nonsense you are all indulging in, but I do know the political bottom line of the trouble Farage is in. If Rayner is guilty of defrauding the country of tax, and destroyed, then who else for equivalent misdemeanour 🤷♀️ Despite numerous different answers from Farage as to who bought the house, it’s now clear enough the only sizeable amount of money that bought it came from Nigel Himself. And this is just the start.
It’s pretty basic @MoonRabbit - but I entirely understand and empathise with your bewilderment. It’s so surreal it’s hard to believe
The PB left - and the wider left beyond PB - is now claiming that Nigel Farage MP somehow broke into the papal quarters in the Vatican City - avoiding the Swiss guards who are specifically trained for this kind of event - and made it into the pontifical bedchamber and managed to orgasm over Pope Leo XIV
Just writing it makes me feel unclean. And kind of sad. Yet this is what they are now alleging
They will stop at nothing. Be aware
I never realised you were on the Left!
Although I suppose voting Starmer might have been a bit of giveaway...
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
Well, you could write him his victory speech. You couldn't give it because your tongue is so firmly in your cheek you'd be unintelligible.
Are you seriously accusing Nigel Farage MP of securing a mortgage in his constituency of Clacton-on-Sea by “ejaculating onto the Pope for a TikTok bet”??
Really?? Because that’s what it sounds like. And respected PBers are bruiting this like it’s some credible hypothesis
Get a grip. This site is becoming ludicrous
No, never said at all as you well know.
I'm more interested in your traditional "let's kill off the left" message which you've bored us with in all your ridiculous incarnations for the last 15 years or more.
I suppose you'd prefer a two party system - the "hard right" and the "harder right" with power changing between the two based, rather like central American politics of the 1980s, on which group's death squads were more efficient.
If Nigel Farage masturbated on the Pope, he would at least be hard and on the right.
This is absolutely absurd. I can’t believe the pb Left is reduced to this kind of pathetic, libellous and frankly surreal speculation. You’re so scared of reform winning you’ll make up outrageous nonsense. “Oh yeah everyone knows Nigel masturbated onto the pope”
Don’t you realise how infantile you sound? No one will ever believe this. But, hey, knock yourselves out
I’m actually quoting your own words.
Honestly, even Cummings has a better grasp of reality than this.
I don’t actually understand all this Popish masturbatory nonsense you are all indulging in, but I do know the political bottom line of the trouble Farage is in. If Rayner is guilty of defrauding the country of tax, and destroyed, then who else for equivalent misdemeanour 🤷♀️ Despite numerous different answers from Farage as to who bought the house, it’s now clear enough the only sizeable amount of money that bought it came from Nigel Himself. And this is just the start.
It’s pretty basic @MoonRabbit - but I entirely understand and empathise with your bewilderment. It’s so surreal it’s hard to believe
The PB left - and the wider left beyond PB - is now claiming that Nigel Farage MP somehow broke into the papal quarters in the Vatican City - avoiding the Swiss guards who are specifically trained for this kind of event - and made it into the pontifical bedchamber and managed to orgasm over Pope Leo XIV
Just writing it makes me feel unclean. And kind of sad. Yet this is what they are now alleging
They will stop at nothing. Be aware
Its utterly absurd nonsense.
If the Catholic Church is involved in an orgasm scandal then it has to involve altarboys.
OTOH there's such a thing as Bell's palsy: or just asymmetric droop when tired.
That doesn't look like a Bells Palsy as there's no involvement of the forehead (Bells Palsy is Lower Motor Neuron) while a Palsy from an Upper Motor Neurone from a stroke or other central lesion spares the forehead.
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
Well, you could write him his victory speech. You couldn't give it because your tongue is so firmly in your cheek you'd be unintelligible.
Are you seriously accusing Nigel Farage MP of securing a mortgage in his constituency of Clacton-on-Sea by “ejaculating onto the Pope for a TikTok bet”??
Really?? Because that’s what it sounds like. And respected PBers are bruiting this like it’s some credible hypothesis
Get a grip. This site is becoming ludicrous
No, never said at all as you well know.
I'm more interested in your traditional "let's kill off the left" message which you've bored us with in all your ridiculous incarnations for the last 15 years or more.
I suppose you'd prefer a two party system - the "hard right" and the "harder right" with power changing between the two based, rather like central American politics of the 1980s, on which group's death squads were more efficient.
If Nigel Farage masturbated on the Pope, he would at least be hard and on the right.
This is absolutely absurd. I can’t believe the pb Left is reduced to this kind of pathetic, libellous and frankly surreal speculation. You’re so scared of reform winning you’ll make up outrageous nonsense. “Oh yeah everyone knows Nigel masturbated onto the pope”
Don’t you realise how infantile you sound? No one will ever believe this. But, hey, knock yourselves out
I’m actually quoting your own words.
Honestly, even Cummings has a better grasp of reality than this.
I don’t actually understand all this Popish masturbatory nonsense you are all indulging in, but I do know the political bottom line of the trouble Farage is in. If Rayner is guilty of defrauding the country of tax, and destroyed, then who else for equivalent misdemeanour 🤷♀️ Despite numerous different answers from Farage as to who bought the house, it’s now clear enough the only sizeable amount of money that bought it came from Nigel Himself. And this is just the start.
It’s pretty basic @MoonRabbit - but I entirely understand and empathise with your bewilderment. It’s so surreal it’s hard to believe
The PB left - and the wider left beyond PB - is now claiming that Nigel Farage MP somehow broke into the papal quarters in the Vatican City - avoiding the Swiss guards who are specifically trained for this kind of event - and made it into the pontifical bedchamber and managed to orgasm over Pope Leo XIV
Just writing it makes me feel unclean. And kind of sad. Yet this is what they are now alleging
I have never understood why so many British people get so animated about events in America. Sad day for his family, but a man I have never heard of being killed in a country famed for gun violence didn’t really register for me.
However, I’m clearly the odd one out.
I suspect only a tiny fraction of the people in Britain now expressing profound grief had even heard of him before his was murdered. PB is the most illustrious and informed political website on earth, yet according to Google the phrase 'Charlie Kirk' never appeared on its threads until yesterday.
» show previous quotes Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas . Labour MPs aren’t going to bring down their own government , at most it might force Starmer out but even that’s a stretch . -------- Having such a large Labour majority may in the end prove to be more of a danger to Starmer's leadership than having a much smaller one, it appears to have emboldened the government backbenches to become more openly critical and rebellious very quickly. Starmer's authority is draining away and the Labour deputy leadership contest and conference is only going to highlight this further in the run up to the Autumn budget.
I'm not sure it does, though.
In the MP nominations, the cabinet candidate got a pretty hefty lead. Powell, for all the gushing that she's Andy Manc's candidate, is hardly rebellious, and the really difficult candidates got nowhere near the ballot. I'm sure the government would rather not be having this election at all, but given that they are, this looks about as smooth for them as you can get.
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
Well, you could write him his victory speech. You couldn't give it because your tongue is so firmly in your cheek you'd be unintelligible.
Are you seriously accusing Nigel Farage MP of securing a mortgage in his constituency of Clacton-on-Sea by “ejaculating onto the Pope for a TikTok bet”??
Really?? Because that’s what it sounds like. And respected PBers are bruiting this like it’s some credible hypothesis
Get a grip. This site is becoming ludicrous
No, never said at all as you well know.
I'm more interested in your traditional "let's kill off the left" message which you've bored us with in all your ridiculous incarnations for the last 15 years or more.
I suppose you'd prefer a two party system - the "hard right" and the "harder right" with power changing between the two based, rather like central American politics of the 1980s, on which group's death squads were more efficient.
If Nigel Farage masturbated on the Pope, he would at least be hard and on the right.
This is absolutely absurd. I can’t believe the pb Left is reduced to this kind of pathetic, libellous and frankly surreal speculation. You’re so scared of reform winning you’ll make up outrageous nonsense. “Oh yeah everyone knows Nigel masturbated onto the pope”
Don’t you realise how infantile you sound? No one will ever believe this. But, hey, knock yourselves out
I’m actually quoting your own words.
Honestly, even Cummings has a better grasp of reality than this.
I don’t actually understand all this Popish masturbatory nonsense you are all indulging in, but I do know the political bottom line of the trouble Farage is in. If Rayner is guilty of defrauding the country of tax, and destroyed, then who else for equivalent misdemeanour 🤷♀️ Despite numerous different answers from Farage as to who bought the house, it’s now clear enough the only sizeable amount of money that bought it came from Nigel Himself. And this is just the start.
It’s pretty basic @MoonRabbit - but I entirely understand and empathise with your bewilderment. It’s so surreal it’s hard to believe
The PB left - and the wider left beyond PB - is now claiming that Nigel Farage MP somehow broke into the papal quarters in the Vatican City - avoiding the Swiss guards who are specifically trained for this kind of event - and made it into the pontifical bedchamber and managed to orgasm over Pope Leo XIV
Just writing it makes me feel unclean. And kind of sad. Yet this is what they are now alleging
They will stop at nothing. Be aware
I agree, Swiss Guards are pretty damn good. In reality I’d expect them to put a stop to that sort of mischief. Are they Swiss, because the Swiss Army Knives are German? Is the Swiss Navy Lubricant not Swiss either?
Might go into flag manufacturing. Sales must be booming
This week's bundle of leaflets from takeaways, handymen and estate agents included one from a firm who erect proper flagpoles for proper flags.
I assume all these “patriots” are taking them down from the lamp posts at night and raising them again in the morning right?
No, that's just the Royal Navy, and that's with the White Ensign *important vexillogical distinction*. Everone else CBA with their UFs. It's only the Usonians who do it everywhere from these weird military schools upwards. Or downwards depending on timing.
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
Well, you could write him his victory speech. You couldn't give it because your tongue is so firmly in your cheek you'd be unintelligible.
Are you seriously accusing Nigel Farage MP of securing a mortgage in his constituency of Clacton-on-Sea by “ejaculating onto the Pope for a TikTok bet”??
Really?? Because that’s what it sounds like. And respected PBers are bruiting this like it’s some credible hypothesis
Get a grip. This site is becoming ludicrous
No, never said at all as you well know.
I'm more interested in your traditional "let's kill off the left" message which you've bored us with in all your ridiculous incarnations for the last 15 years or more.
I suppose you'd prefer a two party system - the "hard right" and the "harder right" with power changing between the two based, rather like central American politics of the 1980s, on which group's death squads were more efficient.
If Nigel Farage masturbated on the Pope, he would at least be hard and on the right.
This is absolutely absurd. I can’t believe the pb Left is reduced to this kind of pathetic, libellous and frankly surreal speculation. You’re so scared of reform winning you’ll make up outrageous nonsense. “Oh yeah everyone knows Nigel masturbated onto the pope”
Don’t you realise how infantile you sound? No one will ever believe this. But, hey, knock yourselves out
I’m actually quoting your own words.
Honestly, even Cummings has a better grasp of reality than this.
I don’t actually understand all this Popish masturbatory nonsense you are all indulging in, but I do know the political bottom line of the trouble Farage is in. If Rayner is guilty of defrauding the country of tax, and destroyed, then who else for equivalent misdemeanour 🤷♀️ Despite numerous different answers from Farage as to who bought the house, it’s now clear enough the only sizeable amount of money that bought it came from Nigel Himself. And this is just the start.
It’s pretty basic @MoonRabbit - but I entirely understand and empathise with your bewilderment. It’s so surreal it’s hard to believe
The PB left - and the wider left beyond PB - is now claiming that Nigel Farage MP somehow broke into the papal quarters in the Vatican City - avoiding the Swiss guards who are specifically trained for this kind of event - and made it into the pontifical bedchamber and managed to orgasm over Pope Leo XIV
Just writing it makes me feel unclean. And kind of sad. Yet this is what they are now alleging
They will stop at nothing. Be aware
I agree, Swiss Guards are pretty damn good. In reality I’d expect them to put a stop to that sort of mischief. Are they Swiss, because the Swiss Army Knives are German? Is the Swiss Navy Lubricant not Swiss either?
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
Well, you could write him his victory speech. You couldn't give it because your tongue is so firmly in your cheek you'd be unintelligible.
Are you seriously accusing Nigel Farage MP of securing a mortgage in his constituency of Clacton-on-Sea by “ejaculating onto the Pope for a TikTok bet”??
Really?? Because that’s what it sounds like. And respected PBers are bruiting this like it’s some credible hypothesis
Get a grip. This site is becoming ludicrous
No, never said at all as you well know.
I'm more interested in your traditional "let's kill off the left" message which you've bored us with in all your ridiculous incarnations for the last 15 years or more.
I suppose you'd prefer a two party system - the "hard right" and the "harder right" with power changing between the two based, rather like central American politics of the 1980s, on which group's death squads were more efficient.
If Nigel Farage masturbated on the Pope, he would at least be hard and on the right.
This is absolutely absurd. I can’t believe the pb Left is reduced to this kind of pathetic, libellous and frankly surreal speculation. You’re so scared of reform winning you’ll make up outrageous nonsense. “Oh yeah everyone knows Nigel masturbated onto the pope”
Don’t you realise how infantile you sound? No one will ever believe this. But, hey, knock yourselves out
I’m actually quoting your own words.
Honestly, even Cummings has a better grasp of reality than this.
I don’t actually understand all this Popish masturbatory nonsense you are all indulging in, but I do know the political bottom line of the trouble Farage is in. If Rayner is guilty of defrauding the country of tax, and destroyed, then who else for equivalent misdemeanour 🤷♀️ Despite numerous different answers from Farage as to who bought the house, it’s now clear enough the only sizeable amount of money that bought it came from Nigel Himself. And this is just the start.
It’s pretty basic @MoonRabbit - but I entirely understand and empathise with your bewilderment. It’s so surreal it’s hard to believe
The PB left - and the wider left beyond PB - is now claiming that Nigel Farage MP somehow broke into the papal quarters in the Vatican City - avoiding the Swiss guards who are specifically trained for this kind of event - and made it into the pontifical bedchamber and managed to orgasm over Pope Leo XIV
Just writing it makes me feel unclean. And kind of sad. Yet this is what they are now alleging
They will stop at nothing. Be aware
Its utterly absurd nonsense.
If the Catholic Church is involved in an orgasm scandal then it has to involve altarboys.
It is utter nonsense. Yet the pb lefties eagerly lap it up. Anything to damage Nigel
What makes it especially mad is that the Swiss Guards do a year of training for exactly this. A populist European right winger heedlessly rushing into the Vatican domestic quarters, erect penis in hand, ready to jizz over the pontifical face at the first opportunity
Orban, Wilders, Farage - they train for them all. They know it’s a risk. The idea they would just “let one through coz he’s English” is utter madness. Would you?
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
As John Rentoul said, Farage has never been sanctimonious about other people's tax affairs, so could bat away anyone delving into his without being compromised politically in the way Rayner was. It doesn't matter.
Farage literally said a few days ago that Rayner had to go over an underpayment of stamp duty that was almost identical to his own apparent underpayment.
I don't think he sat as a moral judge demanding her resignation. He might have said she'll have to go over the hypocrisy or something like that.
After what destroyed Rayner - many finance experts on PB pointed out was not the most clear cut or heinous of crimes - but she’s gone, it destroyed her, the precedent set by universal calling for her sacking means the next media fuckmule taking down a top politician might not be a Labour politician.
What destroyed her was her previous sanctimony on other peoples tax affairs, and Sir Keir wanting to be known as Mr Integrity. Farage doesn’t have the same high mindedness when it comes to theee things, and his image is that of someone who probably breaks the odd rule, so I don’t think it would harm him in the same way
I have never understood why so many British people get so animated about events in America. Sad day for his family, but a man I have never heard of being killed in a country famed for gun violence didn’t really register for me.
However, I’m clearly the odd one out.
I suspect only a tiny fraction of the people in Britain now expressing profound grief had even heard of him before his was murdered. PB is the most illustrious and informed political website on earth, yet according to Google the phrase 'Charlie Kirk' never appeared on its threads until yesterday.
Plus he's on record as saying that a few gun deaths is a price worth paying for the right to have guns Obviously he didn't mean his own death, he meant someone else's young child but there you go. It's what Jesus would have wanted, probably.
I have never understood why so many British people get so animated about events in America. Sad day for his family, but a man I have never heard of being killed in a country famed for gun violence didn’t really register for me.
However, I’m clearly the odd one out.
I suspect only a tiny fraction of the people in Britain now expressing profound grief had even heard of him before his was murdered. PB is the most illustrious and informed political website on earth, yet according to Google the phrase 'Charlie Kirk' never appeared on its threads until yesterday.
I had never heard him. Several apolitical or soft left leaning friends knew him very well and have been profoundly shocked. Depends what the algorithms show you I suppose.
Keir Starmer’s first No10 chief of staff never planned to give Peter Mandelson the Washington gig
Sue Gray didn’t have him on the shortlist, @Telegraph understands. David Miliband + Karen Pierce instead were in final 2
Mandelson only appointed after Gray was ousted in October
I suspect what I am about to post is euphemism. So it should go down well on PB tonight.
In 1997, motivated by backing for the Good Friday Agreement, McSweeney joined the Labour Party, and in 2001 he was hired to work as an intern receptionist and in the party's attack and rebuttal unit in Millbank, where he input data into Peter Mandelson's "Excalibur" database.
I have never understood why so many British people get so animated about events in America. Sad day for his family, but a man I have never heard of being killed in a country famed for gun violence didn’t really register for me.
However, I’m clearly the odd one out.
I suspect only a tiny fraction of the people in Britain now expressing profound grief had even heard of him before his was murdered. PB is the most illustrious and informed political website on earth, yet according to Google the phrase 'Charlie Kirk' never appeared on its threads until yesterday.
Plus he's on record as saying that a few gun deaths is a price worth paying for the right to have guns Obviously he didn't mean his own death, he meant someone else's young child but there you go. It's what Jesus would have wanted, probably.
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
Well, you could write him his victory speech. You couldn't give it because your tongue is so firmly in your cheek you'd be unintelligible.
Are you seriously accusing Nigel Farage MP of securing a mortgage in his constituency of Clacton-on-Sea by “ejaculating onto the Pope for a TikTok bet”??
Really?? Because that’s what it sounds like. And respected PBers are bruiting this like it’s some credible hypothesis
Get a grip. This site is becoming ludicrous
No, never said at all as you well know.
I'm more interested in your traditional "let's kill off the left" message which you've bored us with in all your ridiculous incarnations for the last 15 years or more.
I suppose you'd prefer a two party system - the "hard right" and the "harder right" with power changing between the two based, rather like central American politics of the 1980s, on which group's death squads were more efficient.
If Nigel Farage masturbated on the Pope, he would at least be hard and on the right.
This is absolutely absurd. I can’t believe the pb Left is reduced to this kind of pathetic, libellous and frankly surreal speculation. You’re so scared of reform winning you’ll make up outrageous nonsense. “Oh yeah everyone knows Nigel masturbated onto the pope”
Don’t you realise how infantile you sound? No one will ever believe this. But, hey, knock yourselves out
I am assuming your version of the PB left gathers in the righter wing elements of one nation Conservatism too.
A pair of chocolate teapots. Perhaps if they take the experienced agents they all fired in February with them maybe they would find the perp.
A few leftie YouTubers are suggesting this looks like a professional or at least a military trained hit. False flag anyone?
To hit a neck on a bobbing target at 200 meters with a single shot is Texas Book Depository level of sharpshooting accuracy.
Not sure, British Army accuracy targets with a standard infantry rifle, not any sort of long range rifle with special sights is 300metres. They then push you to train under fatigue and stress conditions on top.
So if you have a good quality hunting rifle with good scope sights and you can rest, aim and take your time at a target who is sitting then you should be able to hit that quite accurately.
I have never understood why so many British people get so animated about events in America. Sad day for his family, but a man I have never heard of being killed in a country famed for gun violence didn’t really register for me.
However, I’m clearly the odd one out.
I suspect only a tiny fraction of the people in Britain now expressing profound grief had even heard of him before his was murdered. PB is the most illustrious and informed political website on earth, yet according to Google the phrase 'Charlie Kirk' never appeared on its threads until yesterday.
I think it's well informed on politics in general but probably weakish on right wingers who operate on social media. Not sure how well it understands the politics of the young either. On the other point the pictures of a man with his young family brutally murdered elicits sympathy from all but the most cynical and hard hearted. Many posts on my Facebook page emphasise not his political stance but the simple human loss being faced by the man's family. I think if you cannot do this, better to stay quiet., and say nothing.
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
As John Rentoul said, Farage has never been sanctimonious about other people's tax affairs, so could bat away anyone delving into his without being compromised politically in the way Rayner was. It doesn't matter.
Farage literally said a few days ago that Rayner had to go over an underpayment of stamp duty that was almost identical to his own apparent underpayment.
I don't think he sat as a moral judge demanding her resignation. He might have said she'll have to go over the hypocrisy or something like that.
After what destroyed Rayner - many finance experts on PB pointed out was not the most clear cut or heinous of crimes - but she’s gone, it destroyed her, the precedent set by universal calling for her sacking means the next media fuckmule taking down a top politician might not be a Labour politician.
What destroyed her was her previous sanctimony on other peoples tax affairs, and Sir Keir wanting to be known as Mr Integrity. Farage doesn’t have the same high mindedness when it comes to theee things, and his image is that of someone who probably breaks the odd rule, so I don’t think it would harm him in the same way
I'm old enough to remember when it was sharing a stage with an anti-vaxxer and Lucy Connolly that had sounded the death knell of Farage's dreams.
I have never understood why so many British people get so animated about events in America. Sad day for his family, but a man I have never heard of being killed in a country famed for gun violence didn’t really register for me.
However, I’m clearly the odd one out.
I suspect only a tiny fraction of the people in Britain now expressing profound grief had even heard of him before his was murdered. PB is the most illustrious and informed political website on earth, yet according to Google the phrase 'Charlie Kirk' never appeared on its threads until yesterday.
I think it's well informed on politics in general but probably weakish on right wingers who operate on social media. Not sure how well it understands the politics of the young either. On the other point the pictures of a man with his young family brutally murdered elicits sympathy from all but the most cynical and hard hearted. Many posts on my Facebook page emphasise not his political stance but the simple human loss being faced by the man's family. I think if you cannot do this better to stay quiet., and say nothing.
A pair of chocolate teapots. Perhaps if they take the experienced agents they all fired in February with them maybe they would find the perp.
A few leftie YouTubers are suggesting this looks like a professional or at least a military trained hit. False flag anyone?
To hit a neck on a bobbing target at 200 meters with a single shot is Texas Book Depository level of sharpshooting accuracy.
Not sure, British Army accuracy targets with a standard infantry rifle, not any sort of long range rifle with special sights is 300metres. They then push you to train under fatigue and stress conditions on top.
So if you have a good quality hunting rifle with good scope sights and you can rest, aim and take your time at a target who is sitting then you should be able to hit that quite accurately.
Powell v Philllipson is going to be one of the most one-sided contest of all time.
It's going to be one of the most boring. I'm not completely sure I can tell them apart.
It does show some survival skills on the part of Labour MPs though. Only 13 for Thornberry - no appetite for disruption there.
Is she disruptive particularly?
My overriding impression of Thornberry is just that she rather overestimates herself. Starmer didn't rate her highly enough to give her a Government post, and colleagues haven't rated her highly enough to make her a candidate for Deputy Leader. She's Chair of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, and has been a shadow minister - she's not seen as a fool or someone who has outlandish views. But she's not indispensible or massively interesting.
Is it obvious that he’d be a worse PM than Starmer or Badenoch? I don’t see it. He looks more articulate and intelligent than either of them - and by a distance
Wasn't it scared an angry before this too? Morerer scared and angry, possibly.
Yes, but it was disturbing. I was not as affected by the death, because he was an American and I'm British. So I regretted his death and pronounced my sympathies in a polite and sincere manner: he did not deserve to die in that way. But having watched that Unherd video I was disquieted at the visceral nature of it. Two observations about the Very Online Right is i) they feel things viscerally and are quick to anger/fear, and ii) there aren't any borders any more. Sayers is a Brit, but shared in the grief of the American interviewees as part of one tribe or family. I don't work like that so although I can analyse the emotion and empathise with it, I cannot share it in the same way. @Leon or his predecessor was correct: people live online these days.
I think I would fared badly in the studio. My instinct would be to say to wait for more info before taking precipitate action but that would not have gone down well. A better approach would have been to empathise with their loss, but would I have thought of it in time? I doubt it.
I hate the 2020s.
Kirk hated empathy. "New Age word which has done a lot of damage." So to empathise would be performatively cruel.
Unempathetic PB Tories often wheel out the Darwin awards. For example, three young people from around here who crashed and died on the Brecon Beacons three days after the driver had passed his driving test were awarded Darwin awards from PBers. I was offended.
Well Mr Kirk's acknowledgement that a few people dying each day of gunshot wounds is a price worth paying to protect the second amendment is surely worthy of a Darwin award.
I am not sure if labour supporters watch the news with the same dismay conservatives did during the Johnson and Truss crises but I wouldn't be surprised
Who honestly gives a fuck about Nigel’s mortgage in Clacton?
Fact is the nation needs him and want him as prime minister. We all love him on this site - which is quite striking given the disparate views of Pb
Let’s just have an election and put him into number 10. Get it done. And pipe down about all this mortgage stuff. NO ONE CARES
Well, you could write him his victory speech. You couldn't give it because your tongue is so firmly in your cheek you'd be unintelligible.
Are you seriously accusing Nigel Farage MP of securing a mortgage in his constituency of Clacton-on-Sea by “ejaculating onto the Pope for a TikTok bet”??
Really?? Because that’s what it sounds like. And respected PBers are bruiting this like it’s some credible hypothesis
Get a grip. This site is becoming ludicrous
No, never said at all as you well know.
I'm more interested in your traditional "let's kill off the left" message which you've bored us with in all your ridiculous incarnations for the last 15 years or more.
I suppose you'd prefer a two party system - the "hard right" and the "harder right" with power changing between the two based, rather like central American politics of the 1980s, on which group's death squads were more efficient.
If Nigel Farage masturbated on the Pope, he would at least be hard and on the right.
This is absolutely absurd. I can’t believe the pb Left is reduced to this kind of pathetic, libellous and frankly surreal speculation. You’re so scared of reform winning you’ll make up outrageous nonsense. “Oh yeah everyone knows Nigel masturbated onto the pope”
Don’t you realise how infantile you sound? No one will ever believe this. But, hey, knock yourselves out
I’m actually quoting your own words.
Honestly, even Cummings has a better grasp of reality than this.
I don’t actually understand all this Popish masturbatory nonsense you are all indulging in, but I do know the political bottom line of the trouble Farage is in. If Rayner is guilty of defrauding the country of tax, and destroyed, then who else for equivalent misdemeanour 🤷♀️ Despite numerous different answers from Farage as to who bought the house, it’s now clear enough the only sizeable amount of money that bought it came from Nigel Himself. And this is just the start.
It’s pretty basic @MoonRabbit - but I entirely understand and empathise with your bewilderment. It’s so surreal it’s hard to believe
The PB left - and the wider left beyond PB - is now claiming that Nigel Farage MP somehow broke into the papal quarters in the Vatican City - avoiding the Swiss guards who are specifically trained for this kind of event - and made it into the pontifical bedchamber and managed to orgasm over Pope Leo XIV
Just writing it makes me feel unclean. And kind of sad. Yet this is what they are now alleging
They will stop at nothing. Be aware
Its utterly absurd nonsense.
If the Catholic Church is involved in an orgasm scandal then it has to involve altarboys.
It is utter nonsense. Yet the pb lefties eagerly lap it up. Anything to damage Nigel
What makes it especially mad is that the Swiss Guards do a year of training for exactly this. A populist European right winger heedlessly rushing into the Vatican domestic quarters, erect penis in hand, ready to jizz over the pontifical face at the first opportunity
Orban, Wilders, Farage - they train for them all. They know it’s a risk. The idea they would just “let one through coz he’s English” is utter madness. Would you?
Is it obvious that he’d be a worse PM than Starmer or Badenoch? I don’t see it. He looks more articulate and intelligent than either of them - and by a distance
The big mental block with Reform is that it remains a one man band. If Farage attracts great candidates as Chancellor and ForSec in waiting, I think he could be pushing towards 40%. That’s a really big if still.
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Honestly, even Cummings has a better grasp of reality than this.
SCOTUS, please note how the rule of law operates.
I can easily explain the Achilles Heel that destroys Reform in the next couple of years - they are not different than the other parties. Reform does not have different policies than the other parties that look remotely credible or likely to work any better. Last nights immigration debate special, categorical proved this in my top drawer analysis. They got to 34% not as a differential in policy making, just a none of the above on a ballot paper. Without stronger, more credible policies coming from somewhere, Reform have reached their peak, and now can only deteriorate.
But what I have always posted on PB, and I stand by again tonight, Reform are in the weakest electoral position of all in first past the post General Elections. If they are as high as 34% and not low twenties at end of Parliament when swingback kicks in - Milliband was 15% ahead with just a year to go - then due to fear and loathing of Reform from the other 66% of voters, the vast majority of the 66% will vote whatever way they can to keep Reform out. Maybe not mid term, but definitely at the end of this parliament. If Reform get 25% PV, that’s whopping 75% of votes out to stop them getting seats.
It's lucky you didn't say "A Touch of Brimstone".
But isn't there also a trad RC one, too? IANAE though.
I appreciate it was a dreadful SCOTUS decision, but they were adjudicating the discretion of Presidents, not ex-Presidents.
Law Society guidance on lack of curiosity
https://www.lawsociety.org.uk/Topics/Anti-money-laundering/Guides/source-of-funds-clean-or-consistent-with-risk
*hence a PEP might prefer someone else to make the purchase
Despite numerous different answers from Farage as to who bought the house, it’s now clear enough the only sizeable amount of money that bought it came from Nigel Himself. And this is just the start.
I think I would fared badly in the studio. My instinct would be to say to wait for more info before taking precipitate action but that would not have gone down well. A better approach would have been to empathise with their loss, but would I have thought of it in time? I doubt it.
I hate the 2020s.
@atrupar.com
The right side of Trump's face was drooping during a 9/11 commemoration today (Getty)
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lyli6rvsvc2m
However, I’m clearly the odd one out.
https://bsky.app/profile/airbagged.bsky.social/post/3lylhzal6ys2z
*face, arms, speech, time (to call 999)
So to empathise would be performatively cruel.
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Both FBI Director Kash Patel and Deputy Director Dan Bongino are en route to Utah to assist with the Charlie Kirk assassination manhunt.
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1966222568769331445
But this is not a “prolier than though” election, nor whose most Northern election. It’s one of those actual merits of each candidate, or merits of their platforms, don’t matter diddly squat. The only thing Unions and Labour members will ask is “where do I put my cross to most hurt Starmer?”
Useless Lucy wins comfortably, probably by same margin Truss had over Rishi Sunak.
Farage may have not been avoiding Stamp Duty but rather avoiding scrutiny as to the source of his funds.
I'm not totally sure I feel empathy very often as such. When something awful has happened to a friend, I very much feel sympathy... but possibly it is a bit of a show off move to suggest I'm experiencing the same emotions as them... in honesty, I'm probably not. I do worry that the performative aspect is a bit damaging.
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Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas . Labour MPs aren’t going to bring down their own government , at most it might force Starmer out but even that’s a stretch .
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Having such a large Labour majority may in the end prove to be more of a danger to Starmer's leadership than having a much smaller one, it appears to have emboldened the government backbenches to become more openly critical and rebellious very quickly. Starmer's authority is draining away and the Labour deputy leadership contest and conference is only going to highlight this further in the run up to the Autumn budget.
Mandelson is down beyond a low lying fruit, the type of fruit that just drops off without need for picking. Certainly not a scalp for anyone. He’s basically scalped himself. Again.
Also Rayners resignation comes with side benefits - where Starmer has dodged a bullet not having to have Rayner behind desk of a big ministry in his cabinet, trying to deliver key promise of 1.5M homes, that’s just not her political Forte, and she was failing it big time, over a third short. There’s a question how much lasting damage has been done to Starmer and Labour with Mandleson gone so quickly. And how much further both resignation story’s can run as media story.
In fact, I can’t 100% rule out Rayner was actually done by Number 10. Can you?
The PB left - and the wider left beyond PB - is now claiming that Nigel Farage MP somehow broke into the papal quarters in the Vatican City - avoiding the Swiss guards who are specifically trained for this kind of event - and made it into the pontifical bedchamber and managed to orgasm over Pope Leo XIV
Just writing it makes me feel unclean. And kind of sad. Yet this is what they are now alleging
They will stop at nothing. Be aware
“Be vewy, vewy quiet. I’m hunting for democwats”.
If you suggested Streeting or Reeves was behind it, I think you might be able to make a better case. Streeting, becuase it eliminates a key rival should Starmer stumble, and Reeves, because Starmer can hardly lose a DPM and a Chancellor in quick succession.
They should put traffic cameras on the lampposts, that'll spin their heads.
Although I suppose voting Starmer might have been a bit of giveaway...
https://youtu.be/9Mn0jeL5Gb0?si=eSj5YQTT2wz8r8fR
If the Catholic Church is involved in an orgasm scandal then it has to involve altarboys.
A few leftie YouTubers are suggesting this looks like a professional or at least a military trained hit. False flag anyone?
Too soon?
In the MP nominations, the cabinet candidate got a pretty hefty lead. Powell, for all the gushing that she's Andy Manc's candidate, is hardly rebellious, and the really difficult candidates got nowhere near the ballot. I'm sure the government would rather not be having this election at all, but given that they are, this looks about as smooth for them as you can get.
@benrileysmith
Keir Starmer’s first No10 chief of staff never planned to give Peter Mandelson the Washington gig
Sue Gray didn’t have him on the shortlist, @Telegraph understands. David Miliband + Karen Pierce instead were in final 2
Mandelson only appointed after Gray was ousted in October
What makes it especially mad is that the Swiss Guards do a year of training for exactly this. A populist European right winger heedlessly rushing into the Vatican domestic quarters, erect penis in hand, ready to jizz over the pontifical face at the first opportunity
Orban, Wilders, Farage - they train for them all. They know it’s a risk. The idea they would just “let one through coz he’s English” is utter madness. Would you?
And yet here we are
Obviously he didn't mean his own death, he meant someone else's young child but there you go. It's what Jesus would have wanted, probably.
I suspect what I am about to post is euphemism. So it should go down well on PB tonight.
In 1997, motivated by backing for the Good Friday Agreement, McSweeney joined the Labour Party, and in 2001 he was hired to work as an intern receptionist and in the party's attack and rebuttal unit in Millbank, where he input data into Peter Mandelson's "Excalibur" database.
So if you have a good quality hunting rifle with good scope sights and you can rest, aim and take your time at a target who is sitting then you should be able to hit that quite accurately.
It does show some survival skills on the part of Labour MPs though. Only 13 for Thornberry - no appetite for disruption there.
My overriding impression of Thornberry is just that she rather overestimates herself. Starmer didn't rate her highly enough to give her a Government post, and colleagues haven't rated her highly enough to make her a candidate for Deputy Leader. She's Chair of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, and has been a shadow minister - she's not seen as a fool or someone who has outlandish views. But she's not indispensible or massively interesting.
https://youtu.be/fLA_tX_ejbw?si=Yl0OXgSf-4EDYCAy
Is it obvious that he’d be a worse PM than Starmer or Badenoch? I don’t see it. He looks more articulate and intelligent than either of them - and by a distance
https://www.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/1nebog0/apparently_its_illegal_to_sell_tumble_dryers/
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/surrey-councils-face-mounting-staffing-32456872
Who wants to join an organisation which will cease to exist in a few months?
Well Mr Kirk's acknowledgement that a few people dying each day of gunshot wounds is a price worth paying to protect the second amendment is surely worthy of a Darwin award.
Or if we wanted to troll Trump, Sadiq Khan.