Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
This is nothing to do with misogyny and all to do with Angela Rayner and her purchase of a flat in Hove
Maybe you should read the statements from the solicitors involved before making comment
Sean_F and myself (two notorious lefties) pointed out last night that the Telegraph reporting on this story has been utterly mendacious.
I really wouldn't bet on the Telegraph being entirely objective in their reporting.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
This is nothing to do with misogyny and all to do with Angela Rayner and her purchase of a flat in Hove
Maybe you should read the statements from the solicitors involved before making comment
How did the personal information, some about a vulnerable person, get into the hands of the Tories and/or their media? It's a very good question. And one that should concern you and all of us.
The story is also in the Guardian so maybe just investigative journalists but also law firms speaking out defending their position
Also Rayner herself has mentioned her vulnerable son
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
This is nothing to do with misogyny and all to do with Angela Rayner and her purchase of a flat in Hove
Maybe you should read the statements from the solicitors involved before making comment
How did the personal information, some about a vulnerable person, get into the hands of the Tories and/or their media? It's a very good question. And one that should concern you and all of us.
The story is also in the Guardian so maybe just investigative journalists but also law firms speaking out defending their position
Also Rayner herself has mentioned her vulnerable son
There's a difference between discussing the story when it is out, and the original disclosures - some of which were completely off target by any meausre such as the stuff about the 650K house value somehow being related to fiddling IHT.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
This is nothing to do with misogyny and all to do with Angela Rayner and her purchase of a flat in Hove
Maybe you should read the statements from the solicitors involved before making comment
Sean_F and myself (two notorious lefties) pointed out last night that the Telegraph reporting on this story has been utterly mendacious.
I really wouldn't bet on the Telegraph being entirely objective in their reporting.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
This is nothing to do with misogyny and all to do with Angela Rayner and her purchase of a flat in Hove
Maybe you should read the statements from the solicitors involved before making comment
Sean_F and myself (two notorious lefties) pointed out last night that the Telegraph reporting on this story has been utterly mendacious.
I really wouldn't bet on the Telegraph being entirely objective in their reporting.
Although the Telegraph has gone massively downhill, I am finding it rather interesting the sort of things that seem to come across their desk e.g. they appear to have a mole within PA and seem to know more than the government about them.
💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home
If a surveyor used the comparators in that article to calculator fair price they wouldn't have a leg to stand on were they to be sued... A 3 bed semi definitely isn't a reasonable comparison to a 4 bed detached especially 1 adapted at vast expense to meet someone's particular needs.
What you are then left with is the difficult question of how do you value a property especially adapted for the needs of someone who needs a property to be adapted. Which if £80,000 of adaptions would be required to your typical £550,000 home may make a £630,000 valuation reasonable under the circumstances...
Specialist adaptations are likely to reduce the value to a third party
I wouldn’t be surprised if they have just added £80k to the value on the grounds that’s what they spent (and perhaps used a value from the time of the divorce)
But the value to the beneficiary of the trust fund is what counts here.
A senior lawyer sexually propositioned a colleague 54 years his junior in a French Riviera hotel room, an employment tribunal heard.
Andrew Greystoke invited 29-year-old Anita Obiagwu to his suite for a “debrief” on a work trip to Nice in October 2023 but while she was typing on her laptop he “inappropriately” caressed her and expressed a desire to have sex.
The married 83-year-old – educated at Cambridge University and Harvard – had opened a bottle of champagne before touching her without her consent, the hearing was told.
Miss Obiagwu said she was “frozen” as Mr Greystoke rubbed her arm and back and called her beautiful.
She told the tribunal: “Whilst I was typing, he began rubbing my arm and back and said he thinks that I am beautiful and said if anyone were to ask him if he would f--- me he would.
A stunning moon hanging low in a clear sky this evening.
Sad to know that there is human detritus on the surface.
I think it's wonderful. A sign of what humanity can achieve if we put our minds to it.
I never really understand it, but some people have a particular antipathy towards the space industry.
When people criticise people like Bezos or Musk for mucking about with rockets and space stuff - not merely that they have the kind of unfairly obscene level of wealth that enables them to do so, but that they choose to funnel it in that specific area - it just seems like an odd choice to focus on to me.
Kind of reminds me of one of Ben Bova's Mars books where the protagonist was so against people cluttering up the untouched martian landscape even lightly, to the point the whole planet was almost made open for complete exploitation instead because of his stubborness.
A senior lawyer sexually propositioned a colleague 54 years his junior in a French Riviera hotel room, an employment tribunal heard.
Andrew Greystoke invited 29-year-old Anita Obiagwu to his suite for a “debrief” on a work trip to Nice in October 2023 but while she was typing on her laptop he “inappropriately” caressed her and expressed a desire to have sex.
The married 83-year-old – educated at Cambridge University and Harvard – had opened a bottle of champagne before touching her without her consent, the hearing was told.
Miss Obiagwu said she was “frozen” as Mr Greystoke rubbed her arm and back and called her beautiful.
She told the tribunal: “Whilst I was typing, he began rubbing my arm and back and said he thinks that I am beautiful and said if anyone were to ask him if he would f--- me he would.
💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home
So, I'm a little more sceptical here. Trustees have a legal responsibility to act in the best interests of the beneficiaries of the Trust. If they fail to do so, they can end up in very serious hot water.
Trustees are normally accountants or lawyers, and they are rarely paid particularly well for the legal risks they are assuming. For this reason, I've never seen a trustee be anything other than ultra cautious: they simply have nothing to gain.
Now, it may be the case that Ms Rayner is herself the Trustee. In which case there is a serious conflict of interests here, as well as a potential misvaluation. But if the trustees are accountants or lawyers, then I suspect that they will have taken professional advice on valuations.
The Telegraph obtained a copy of the land registry deeds for the property, which lists the trustees. IIRC they are the Raynors themselves & Shoosmiths Trusts Ltd, presumably a holding company for Shoosmiths the lawyers to act as trustees through.
It seems very unlikely that Shoosmiths would permit an egregiously overvalued sale as it would be to the detriment of the trust beneficiary & in breach of their fiduciary duties. I would expect them to have demanded a valuation by a RICS registered surveyor to protect everyone involved from accusations of impropriety.
The headline of that Telegraph article is full of fire & brimstone, whereas the actual documented facts further down the article suggest that the property was not overvalued - the comparators the Telegraph use are 3 bed properties whereas the Raynor’s house was a 4 bed & the 3-bed sale was in 2021, whereas the valuation for Raynor’s was in 2023. They even found a local estate agent to value the Raynor’s property for them who valued it at ... wait for it ... £620k.
This particular attack line appears to be a complete nothing-burger. It’s a hit piece manufactured out of thin air & innuendo with nothing actually behind it.
💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home
If a surveyor used the comparators in that article to calculator fair price they wouldn't have a leg to stand on were they to be sued... A 3 bed semi definitely isn't a reasonable comparison to a 4 bed detached especially 1 adapted at vast expense to meet someone's particular needs.
What you are then left with is the difficult question of how do you value a property especially adapted for the needs of someone who needs a property to be adapted. Which if £80,000 of adaptions would be required to your typical £550,000 home may make a £630,000 valuation reasonable under the circumstances...
Specialist adaptations are likely to reduce the value to a third party
I wouldn’t be surprised if they have just added £80k to the value on the grounds that’s what they spent (and perhaps used a value from the time of the divorce)
But the value to the beneficiary of the trust fund is what counts here.
I very much doubt that would wash. Just because something is worth more to you than the seller it doesn’t mean you pay the full worth to you.
(I wouldn’t be surprised if the trust had paid for the modifications anyway…)
Edit: worth more to me than *other buyers* is what counts, no?
On the second point, sure, if the trust existed; but we don't know the timings of such things as the compo payout, which would precede the formation of the trust. IANAL but those things seem to take years. Which is what I was thinking of.
Universities in England might in future have to charge different levels of tuition fees depending on the quality of their teaching, the higher education regulator has suggested.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs? Do you think they would do a similar dig into Farage's bank, previous house, living arrangements, trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs. Do you think they would do a similar dig into farage's bank previous house living arrangements trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
Bullshit about not having access to top lawyers if she wanted. She literally works in government with at least two people who will know everybody and makes £160k a year so can afford them. She is also friends with big people in the union movement who are also well versed in finding top legal representation.
A senior lawyer sexually propositioned a colleague 54 years his junior in a French Riviera hotel room, an employment tribunal heard.
Andrew Greystoke invited 29-year-old Anita Obiagwu to his suite for a “debrief” on a work trip to Nice in October 2023 but while she was typing on her laptop he “inappropriately” caressed her and expressed a desire to have sex.
The married 83-year-old – educated at Cambridge University and Harvard – had opened a bottle of champagne before touching her without her consent, the hearing was told.
Miss Obiagwu said she was “frozen” as Mr Greystoke rubbed her arm and back and called her beautiful.
She told the tribunal: “Whilst I was typing, he began rubbing my arm and back and said he thinks that I am beautiful and said if anyone were to ask him if he would f--- me he would.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs. Do you think they would do a similar dig into farage's bank previous house living arrangements trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs? Do you think they would do a similar dig into Farage's bank, previous house, living arrangements, trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
If only her boss knew some of the best lawyers in the country.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
This is nothing to do with misogyny and all to do with Angela Rayner and her purchase of a flat in Hove
Maybe you should read the statements from the solicitors involved before making comment
How did the personal information, some about a vulnerable person, get into the hands of the Tories and/or their media? It's a very good question. And one that should concern you and all of us.
The people who did the background checks on proposed new ministers might be permitted access to this kind of information, both in the civil service & the Party.
It’s possible someone within the Labour party noticed & leaked it for internal political reasons, or maybe a civil servant saw a chance to make a fast few £? The latter would be a crime, obviously. The former might not be, just extremely dirty tricks.
A senior lawyer sexually propositioned a colleague 54 years his junior in a French Riviera hotel room, an employment tribunal heard.
Andrew Greystoke invited 29-year-old Anita Obiagwu to his suite for a “debrief” on a work trip to Nice in October 2023 but while she was typing on her laptop he “inappropriately” caressed her and expressed a desire to have sex.
The married 83-year-old – educated at Cambridge University and Harvard – had opened a bottle of champagne before touching her without her consent, the hearing was told.
Miss Obiagwu said she was “frozen” as Mr Greystoke rubbed her arm and back and called her beautiful.
She told the tribunal: “Whilst I was typing, he began rubbing my arm and back and said he thinks that I am beautiful and said if anyone were to ask him if he would f--- me he would.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
This is nothing to do with misogyny and all to do with Angela Rayner and her purchase of a flat in Hove
Maybe you should read the statements from the solicitors involved before making comment
ROGER is always wrong. So many knee jerk reactions. Angela is bang to.rights.. She might hang on but she is fatally damaged politically speaking. Just listen to her previous pronouncements on tax to see her position is untenable.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs? Do you think they would do a similar dig into Farage's bank, previous house, living arrangements, trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
Do you keep anything down reading the Guardian?
They are also investigating Rayner and publishing some pretty damninig stuff about her dealings.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs. Do you think they would do a similar dig into farage's bank previous house living arrangements trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
That was based on a public statement made by the conveyancing firm in question.
What Roger is asking is: who was it that worked out that Raynor had underpaid stamp duty & told the Telegraph? That information is not public, so they must have had access to private information about Raynor’s tax affairs in order to find out about it in the first place.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs? Do you think they would do a similar dig into Farage's bank, previous house, living arrangements, trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
There’s a guy she works with who was at the top of the legal profession, she might have asked him, or any of the multitude of gov legal advisers if they knew good property lawyers.
The tactics of the newspapers leave a lot to be desired for many reasons but frankly it’s no surprise that when someone who had set themselves up over years as the witch finder General now finds themself accused of being a witch, the newspapers will go into overdrive.
I also seem to remember much press comment and glee over Farage’s banking issues with Coutts.
A senior lawyer sexually propositioned a colleague 54 years his junior in a French Riviera hotel room, an employment tribunal heard.
Andrew Greystoke invited 29-year-old Anita Obiagwu to his suite for a “debrief” on a work trip to Nice in October 2023 but while she was typing on her laptop he “inappropriately” caressed her and expressed a desire to have sex.
The married 83-year-old – educated at Cambridge University and Harvard – had opened a bottle of champagne before touching her without her consent, the hearing was told.
Miss Obiagwu said she was “frozen” as Mr Greystoke rubbed her arm and back and called her beautiful.
She told the tribunal: “Whilst I was typing, he began rubbing my arm and back and said he thinks that I am beautiful and said if anyone were to ask him if he would f--- me he would.
A senior lawyer sexually propositioned a colleague 54 years his junior in a French Riviera hotel room, an employment tribunal heard.
Andrew Greystoke invited 29-year-old Anita Obiagwu to his suite for a “debrief” on a work trip to Nice in October 2023 but while she was typing on her laptop he “inappropriately” caressed her and expressed a desire to have sex.
The married 83-year-old – educated at Cambridge University and Harvard – had opened a bottle of champagne before touching her without her consent, the hearing was told.
Miss Obiagwu said she was “frozen” as Mr Greystoke rubbed her arm and back and called her beautiful.
She told the tribunal: “Whilst I was typing, he began rubbing my arm and back and said he thinks that I am beautiful and said if anyone were to ask him if he would f--- me he would.
💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home
Given that it was the home of William Bradford, leader of the Pilgrim Fathers, they should have been advertising it in Massachusetts and Connecticut rather than Doncaster and Retford.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs? Do you think they would do a similar dig into Farage's bank, previous house, living arrangements, trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
Don’t be fooled by her accent, she is the Deputy Prime Minister of the country, not working on the till at Morrisons
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs. Do you think they would do a similar dig into farage's bank previous house living arrangements trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
Bullshit about not having access to top lawyers if she wanted. She literally works in government with at least two people who will know everybody and makes £160k a year so can afford them. She is also friends with big people in the union movement who are also well versed in finding top legal representation.
Yes, whether she's done nothing wrong, done wrong unintentionally, or done wrong intentionally, one thing we can be confident of is she would not have trouble finding good lawyers. She's come a long way in her life, her early background wouldn't hold her back on this.
Well obvious suspects would be other leading people in government, there were the stories about lots of the civil servants being very pissed off with her e.g. her demanding they moved all her stuff.
A senior lawyer sexually propositioned a colleague 54 years his junior in a French Riviera hotel room, an employment tribunal heard.
Andrew Greystoke invited 29-year-old Anita Obiagwu to his suite for a “debrief” on a work trip to Nice in October 2023 but while she was typing on her laptop he “inappropriately” caressed her and expressed a desire to have sex.
The married 83-year-old – educated at Cambridge University and Harvard – had opened a bottle of champagne before touching her without her consent, the hearing was told.
Miss Obiagwu said she was “frozen” as Mr Greystoke rubbed her arm and back and called her beautiful.
She told the tribunal: “Whilst I was typing, he began rubbing my arm and back and said he thinks that I am beautiful and said if anyone were to ask him if he would f--- me he would.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs. Do you think they would do a similar dig into farage's bank previous house living arrangements trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
That was based on a public statement made by the conveyancing firm in question.
What Roger is asking is: who was it that worked out that Raynor had underpaid stamp duty & told the Telegraph? That information is not public, so they must have had access to private information about Raynor’s tax affairs in order to find out about it in the first place.
Maybe but if everything is above board why worry
We have a media industry full of investigative journalists seeking a gotcha
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs? Do you think they would do a similar dig into Farage's bank, previous house, living arrangements, trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
I also seem to remember much press comment and glee over Farage’s banking issues with Coutts.
Yes, it was all pretty funny and then it turned out he was right, which certainly caused me some whiplash.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs? Do you think they would do a similar dig into Farage's bank, previous house, living arrangements, trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
There’s a guy she works with who was at the top of the legal profession, she might have asked him, or any of the multitude of gov legal advisers if they knew good property lawyers.
The tactics of the newspapers leave a lot to be desired for many reasons but frankly it’s no surprise that when someone who had set themselves up over years as the witch finder General now finds themself accused of being a witch, the newspapers will go into overdrive.
I also seem to remember much press comment and glee over Farage’s banking issues with Coutts.
Isn't that a bit like asking Mr Verstappen if he could recommend a good place to service a Mini?
💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home
If a surveyor used the comparators in that article to calculator fair price they wouldn't have a leg to stand on were they to be sued... A 3 bed semi definitely isn't a reasonable comparison to a 4 bed detached especially 1 adapted at vast expense to meet someone's particular needs.
What you are then left with is the difficult question of how do you value a property especially adapted for the needs of someone who needs a property to be adapted. Which if £80,000 of adaptions would be required to your typical £550,000 home may make a £630,000 valuation reasonable under the circumstances...
Specialist adaptations are likely to reduce the value to a third party
I wouldn’t be surprised if they have just added £80k to the value on the grounds that’s what they spent (and perhaps used a value from the time of the divorce)
The Telegraph’s own article has a local estate agent valuing the property at £620k. This article is desperate stuff.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs? Do you think they would do a similar dig into Farage's bank, previous house, living arrangements, trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
There’s a guy she works with who was at the top of the legal profession, she might have asked him, or any of the multitude of gov legal advisers if they knew good property lawyers.
The tactics of the newspapers leave a lot to be desired for many reasons but frankly it’s no surprise that when someone who had set themselves up over years as the witch finder General now finds themself accused of being a witch, the newspapers will go into overdrive.
I also seem to remember much press comment and glee over Farage’s banking issues with Coutts.
Isn't that a bit like asking Mr Verstappen if he could recommend a good place to service a Mini?
I’m sure SKS could have said “use xyz, they did my house purchase” and he’s not going to give a duff recommendation. The idea that the deputy PM of the UK couldn’t ask someone who knows who to use and had to rely on her wits and moxy is silly.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
This is nothing to do with misogyny and all to do with Angela Rayner and her purchase of a flat in Hove
Maybe you should read the statements from the solicitors involved before making comment
How did the personal information, some about a vulnerable person, get into the hands of the Tories and/or their media? It's a very good question. And one that should concern you and all of us.
The people who did the background checks on proposed new ministers might be permitted access to this kind of information, both in the civil service & the Party.
It’s possible someone within the Labour party noticed & leaked it for internal political reasons, or maybe a civil servant saw a chance to make a fast few £? The latter would be a crime, obviously. The former might not be, just extremely dirty tricks.
The former would be a crime, given GDPR, anyway - if it passed over an email or phone or similar. Also the special stuff re vulnerable people/children.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs. Do you think they would do a similar dig into farage's bank previous house living arrangements trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
That was based on a public statement made by the conveyancing firm in question.
What Roger is asking is: who was it that worked out that Raynor had underpaid stamp duty & told the Telegraph? That information is not public, so they must have had access to private information about Raynor’s tax affairs in order to find out about it in the first place.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
This is nothing to do with misogyny and all to do with Angela Rayner and her purchase of a flat in Hove
Maybe you should read the statements from the solicitors involved before making comment
How did the personal information, some about a vulnerable person, get into the hands of the Tories and/or their media? It's a very good question. And one that should concern you and all of us.
The people who did the background checks on proposed new ministers might be permitted access to this kind of information, both in the civil service & the Party.
It’s possible someone within the Labour party noticed & leaked it for internal political reasons, or maybe a civil servant saw a chance to make a fast few £? The latter would be a crime, obviously. The former might not be, just extremely dirty tricks.
The former would be a crime, given GDPR, anyway - if it passed over an email or phone or similar. Also the special stuff re vulnerable people/children.
Mysteriously when things are leaked that lead to a political scandal nobody ever seems to be able to find out who did the leaking e.g. very few would have had access to CCTV footage of Hancock office, the MP expenses records.
During Brown's time as chancellor, it often seemed that a Sunday didn't go past without some negative stories about Labour ministers. Weirdly they reduced massively after a certain incident.
Universities in England might in future have to charge different levels of tuition fees depending on the quality of their teaching, the higher education regulator has suggested.
Well that Oxbridge fucked then....
Had a very pleasant pub lunch with sister-in-law Stodge and nephew Stodge who is going to York next week to study commercial law.
Now, I'm aware some would have me believe the best he can hope for is to be flipping burgers with his degree - his brother works in a bar with his - but I'm cautiously optimistic he will do well. I've already taught him the two most important legal words - pro bono - in case his Uncle ever needs commercial legal advice.
The loan is about £10k per year - 45 years ago, when I started life as an undergraduate, I got full grant, I'd saved some money from working for a year aftert leaving school and beer was 35p a pint in the student bar, three pints for a quid.
The times, they've been a-changin'. I realise on almost a daily basis how fortunate I have been to have lived when I have but I can only hope at some point in the future, when our current problems have been solved, beer can be cheap once again.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs? Do you think they would do a similar dig into Farage's bank, previous house, living arrangements, trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
There’s a guy she works with who was at the top of the legal profession, she might have asked him, or any of the multitude of gov legal advisers if they knew good property lawyers.
The tactics of the newspapers leave a lot to be desired for many reasons but frankly it’s no surprise that when someone who had set themselves up over years as the witch finder General now finds themself accused of being a witch, the newspapers will go into overdrive.
I also seem to remember much press comment and glee over Farage’s banking issues with Coutts.
Isn't that a bit like asking Mr Verstappen if he could recommend a good place to service a Mini?
I’m sure SKS could have said “use xyz, they did my house purchase” and he’s not going to give a duff recommendation. The idea that the deputy PM of the UK couldn’t ask someone who knows who to use and had to rely on her wits and moxy is silly.
But why bother? And the issue is not so much how excellent the conveyancer is as how that particular arcane overlap between conveyancging and tax law didn't come to the surface. If one thinks one has a Mini one's not going to ask for [edit] a Morgan service.
A senior lawyer sexually propositioned a colleague 54 years his junior in a French Riviera hotel room, an employment tribunal heard.
Andrew Greystoke invited 29-year-old Anita Obiagwu to his suite for a “debrief” on a work trip to Nice in October 2023 but while she was typing on her laptop he “inappropriately” caressed her and expressed a desire to have sex.
The married 83-year-old – educated at Cambridge University and Harvard – had opened a bottle of champagne before touching her without her consent, the hearing was told.
Miss Obiagwu said she was “frozen” as Mr Greystoke rubbed her arm and back and called her beautiful.
She told the tribunal: “Whilst I was typing, he began rubbing my arm and back and said he thinks that I am beautiful and said if anyone were to ask him if he would f--- me he would.
Can we please not with the “poor Ange, working class hero, doesn’t know the best lawyers” stuff.
For one thing, it is exceptionally patronising towards Rayner. She’s a smart cookie who works in high politics and has access to all sorts of people and I am sure can find her way to a top lawyer if she needs one. So let’s please not see classism where there isn’t any. There’s been plenty of classist rubbish written about her before, but this is really wide of the mark.
Like many others I generally sympathise with her that she was in a complicated situation, and sometimes complicated situations lead to complicated tax stuff, and she’s been caught out. Quite how bad it is for her will depend on what she’s been advised, but the initial story is starting to look a little flaky - we shall see. As others have said, what hasn’t helped has been the optics around being the first person in the Labour government to attack others for real or perceived impropriety, and the fact she is generally considered to be the most bullish member of the government on increasing taxes.
💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home
If a surveyor used the comparators in that article to calculator fair price they wouldn't have a leg to stand on were they to be sued... A 3 bed semi definitely isn't a reasonable comparison to a 4 bed detached especially 1 adapted at vast expense to meet someone's particular needs.
What you are then left with is the difficult question of how do you value a property especially adapted for the needs of someone who needs a property to be adapted. Which if £80,000 of adaptions would be required to your typical £550,000 home may make a £630,000 valuation reasonable under the circumstances...
Specialist adaptations are likely to reduce the value to a third party
I wouldn’t be surprised if they have just added £80k to the value on the grounds that’s what they spent (and perhaps used a value from the time of the divorce)
But the value to the beneficiary of the trust fund is what counts here.
I very much doubt that would wash. Just because something is worth more to you than the seller it doesn’t mean you pay the full worth to you.
(I wouldn’t be surprised if the trust had paid for the modifications anyway…)
I'm not sure about that.
The child was born in 2008, and the settlement was received in 2020.
Given that he is registered blind, I'd suggest modifications would have been needed earlier.
I'd say it is likely they did a lot first, but the trust may well have done some since. And Local Authority funding would be available for major alterations (up to low 5 figures), under a scheme which I think is not means tested but would be limited to major adaptations - there's an elderly couple near me who had a lift installed.
💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home
The Manor House for 750k! I live in a 3 bed semi worth more than that. If I met a Northern lass I could be lord of the Manor
Twas ever thus. My uncle, a pilot with the RAF, moved north from Hampshire, via Shropshire, ending up in near Elgin (actually a couple miles from Glenfiddich). The housing went from a small two bed to a rambling old rectory type with servants quarters (not used). Only works in one direction, sadly.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs? Do you think they would do a similar dig into Farage's bank, previous house, living arrangements, trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
There’s a guy she works with who was at the top of the legal profession, she might have asked him, or any of the multitude of gov legal advisers if they knew good property lawyers.
The tactics of the newspapers leave a lot to be desired for many reasons but frankly it’s no surprise that when someone who had set themselves up over years as the witch finder General now finds themself accused of being a witch, the newspapers will go into overdrive.
I also seem to remember much press comment and glee over Farage’s banking issues with Coutts.
Isn't that a bit like asking Mr Verstappen if he could recommend a good place to service a Mini?
I’m sure SKS could have said “use xyz, they did my house purchase” and he’s not going to give a duff recommendation. The idea that the deputy PM of the UK couldn’t ask someone who knows who to use and had to rely on her wits and moxy is silly.
But why bother? And the issue is not so much how excellent the conveyancer is as how that particular arcane overlap between conveyancging and tax law didn't come to the surface. If one thinks one has a Mini one's not going to ask for [edit] a Morgan service.
Universities in England might in future have to charge different levels of tuition fees depending on the quality of their teaching, the higher education regulator has suggested.
Well that Oxbridge fucked then....
Had a very pleasant pub lunch with sister-in-law Stodge and nephew Stodge who is going to York next week to study commercial law.
Now, I'm aware some would have me believe the best he can hope for is to be flipping burgers with his degree - his brother works in a bar with his - but I'm cautiously optimistic he will do well. I've already taught him the two most important legal words - pro bono - in case his Uncle ever needs commercial legal advice.
The loan is about £10k per year - 45 years ago, when I started life as an undergraduate, I got full grant, I'd saved some money from working for a year aftert leaving school and beer was 35p a pint in the student bar, three pints for a quid.
The times, they've been a-changin'. I realise on almost a daily basis how fortunate I have been to have lived when I have but I can only hope at some point in the future, when our current problems have been solved, beer can be cheap once again.
Agreed. The contrast - and the attitude of some of our contemporaries even many years ago - upsets me almosr every day, and is one reasom some of my charitable donations go to helping students today focus a bit more on their studies.
Anyway good night all before I get more upset about it.
Is this trust a lot more complicated than what we’ve already heard ? And wouldn’t those tax advisers have asked for more detail before giving their advice if that was the case .
I tend to think Rayner genuinely didn’t try and rip off the HMRC because that would have been just so short sighted and risky given what happened last year .
Surely no one would be this stupid . It could be that she simply can’t prove that it was a genuine error and will end up going because of that .
This would be a massive loss to Labour because she was seen as the natural successor to Starmer , someone with a back story that meant she was seen as one of us not one of them .
Off thread: I've just had some promotional mail from Sainsbury's, titled:
Cookie, We love that you love Loose Onions
In which 'Loose Onions' is very much the 'Insert Text Here'.
Is this how I am perceived by the world? Onions? I've railed for years against Big Everything Knowing Too Much, and it turns out this is hiw Big Everything sees me? A man who loves buying loose onions?
I'd almost be less disappointed if it was intimate lube and Mars bars.
Henceforth you shall no longer be Cookie. Loose Onions is a far better handle, is not ?
Is this trust a lot more complicated than what we’ve already heard ? And wouldn’t those tax advisers have asked for more detail before giving their advice if that was the case .
I tend to think Rayner genuinely didn’t try and rip off the HMRC because that would have been just so short sighted and risky given what happened last year .
Surely no one would be this stupid . It could be that she simply can’t prove that it was a genuine error and will end up going because of that .
This would be a massive loss to Labour because she was seen as the natural successor to Starmer , someone with a back story that meant she was seen as one of us not one of them .
Try the "I didn't know" one with HMRC and see what happens. Again we aren't talking somebody who doesn't have opportunity to get proper advice, and has claimed she was just following such advice. If it turns out no advice was asked for or given, then its the deflection / cover up that will be the problem.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs? Do you think they would do a similar dig into Farage's bank, previous house, living arrangements, trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
I also seem to remember much press comment and glee over Farage’s banking issues with Coutts.
Yes, it was all pretty funny and then it turned out he was right, which certainly caused me some whiplash.
To be fair if it's farage vs coutts it's going to be funny either way.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs. Do you think they would do a similar dig into farage's bank previous house living arrangements trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
That was based on a public statement made by the conveyancing firm in question.
What Roger is asking is: who was it that worked out that Raynor had underpaid stamp duty & told the Telegraph? That information is not public, so they must have had access to private information about Raynor’s tax affairs in order to find out about it in the first place.
Maybe but if everything is above board why worry
We have a media industry full of investigative journalists seeking a gotcha
Which is why we need to worry.
Whether Rayner has done anything wrong (probably, if only by careless omission), or anything wrong enough for it to be a sacking offence (I don't know, and I doubt anyone else does at this point either) is only loosely correlated to whether she will go, or to how much the ladies and gentlemen of the press will demand that she does go.
On one level, so what- politics isn't fair, life isn't fair. There are potenitally brilliant ministers of the One Nation tradition who we will never hear from, because the prime of their political lifetime corresponds to the time that tadition is dead. That some politicans have their cupboards ransacked for skeletons whilst others don't... that's a different kind of unfairness, especially when most of the media doesn't really exist comercially, but as the plaything of very specific sorts of benefactors. If you want to manipulate the answers, the easiest way is to manage the setting of the questions.
(Incidentally, was the story of Rayner's child's needs known before all this blew up? I like to think I pay reasonable attention to that sort of thing, and I didn't know.)
Is this trust a lot more complicated than what we’ve already heard ? And wouldn’t those tax advisers have asked for more detail before giving their advice if that was the case .
I tend to think Rayner genuinely didn’t try and rip off the HMRC because that would have been just so short sighted and risky given what happened last year .
Surely no one would be this stupid . It could be that she simply can’t prove that it was a genuine error and will end up going because of that .
This would be a massive loss to Labour because she was seen as the natural successor to Starmer , someone with a back story that meant she was seen as one of us not one of them .
Try the "I didn't know" one with HMRC and see what happens.
Much depends on the motive . If you make a mistake and own up quickly before they find out they’re less terrifying .
Off thread: I've just had some promotional mail from Sainsbury's, titled:
Cookie, We love that you love Loose Onions
In which 'Loose Onions' is very much the 'Insert Text Here'.
Is this how I am perceived by the world? Onions? I've railed for years against Big Everything Knowing Too Much, and it turns out this is hiw Big Everything sees me? A man who loves buying loose onions?
I'd almost be less disappointed if it was intimate lube and Mars bars.
Henceforth you shall no longer be Cookie. Loose Onions is a far better handle, is not ?
Loose Onions? You wouldn't like him when he's angry.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs? Do you think they would do a similar dig into Farage's bank, previous house, living arrangements, trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
Don’t be fooled by her accent, she is the Deputy Prime Minister of the country, not working on the till at Morrisons
Tomorrows headline "Raynor works second job as TILL ASSISTANT at MORRISONS!!!".
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs. Do you think they would do a similar dig into farage's bank previous house living arrangements trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
That was based on a public statement made by the conveyancing firm in question.
What Roger is asking is: who was it that worked out that Raynor had underpaid stamp duty & told the Telegraph? That information is not public, so they must have had access to private information about Raynor’s tax affairs in order to find out about it in the first place.
Maybe but if everything is above board why worry
We have a media industry full of investigative journalists seeking a gotcha
Which is why we need to worry.
Whether Rayner has done anything wrong (probably, if only by careless omission), or anything wrong enough for it to be a sacking offence (I don't know, and I doubt anyone else does at this point either) is only loosely correlated to whether she will go, or to how much the ladies and gentlemen of the press will demand that she does go.
On one level, so what- politics isn't fair, life isn't fair. There are potenitally brilliant ministers of the One Nation tradition who we will never hear from, because the prime of their political lifetime corresponds to the time that tadition is dead. That some politicans have their cupboards ransacked for skeletons whilst others don't... that's a different kind of unfairness, especially when most of the media doesn't really exist comercially, but as the plaything of very specific sorts of benefactors. If you want to manipulate the answers, the easiest way is to manage the setting of the questions.
(Incidentally, was the story of Rayner's child's needs known before all this blew up? I like to think I pay reasonable attention to that sort of thing, and I didn't know.)
Re your last paragraph - I don’t believe so, and I believe it was Rayner herself who went to court this week to confirm she could disclose some of the details.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs? Do you think they would do a similar dig into Farage's bank, previous house, living arrangements, trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
Don’t be fooled by her accent, she is the Deputy Prime Minister of the country, not working on the till at Morrisons
Tomorrows headline "Raynor works second job as TILL ASSISTANT at MORRISONS!!!".
He'll forgive the tax stuff, but Anabobazina will get *really* mad if he hears she takes cash...
A senior lawyer sexually propositioned a colleague 54 years his junior in a French Riviera hotel room, an employment tribunal heard.
Andrew Greystoke invited 29-year-old Anita Obiagwu to his suite for a “debrief” on a work trip to Nice in October 2023 but while she was typing on her laptop he “inappropriately” caressed her and expressed a desire to have sex.
The married 83-year-old – educated at Cambridge University and Harvard – had opened a bottle of champagne before touching her without her consent, the hearing was told.
Miss Obiagwu said she was “frozen” as Mr Greystoke rubbed her arm and back and called her beautiful.
She told the tribunal: “Whilst I was typing, he began rubbing my arm and back and said he thinks that I am beautiful and said if anyone were to ask him if he would f--- me he would.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs? Do you think they would do a similar dig into Farage's bank, previous house, living arrangements, trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
Don’t be fooled by her accent, she is the Deputy Prime Minister of the country, not working on the till at Morrisons
Tomorrows headline "Raynor works second job as TILL ASSISTANT at MORRISONS!!!".
He'll forgive the tax stuff, but Anabobazina will get *really* mad if he hears she takes cash...
He also gets pretty cross about Labour ministers' names being spelled wrong.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs. Do you think they would do a similar dig into farage's bank previous house living arrangements trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
That was based on a public statement made by the conveyancing firm in question.
What Roger is asking is: who was it that worked out that Raynor had underpaid stamp duty & told the Telegraph? That information is not public, so they must have had access to private information about Raynor’s tax affairs in order to find out about it in the first place.
Maybe but if everything is above board why worry
We have a media industry full of investigative journalists seeking a gotcha
Which is why we need to worry.
Whether Rayner has done anything wrong (probably, if only by careless omission), or anything wrong enough for it to be a sacking offence (I don't know, and I doubt anyone else does at this point either) is only loosely correlated to whether she will go, or to how much the ladies and gentlemen of the press will demand that she does go.
On one level, so what- politics isn't fair, life isn't fair. There are potenitally brilliant ministers of the One Nation tradition who we will never hear from, because the prime of their political lifetime corresponds to the time that tadition is dead. That some politicans have their cupboards ransacked for skeletons whilst others don't... that's a different kind of unfairness, especially when most of the media doesn't really exist comercially, but as the plaything of very specific sorts of benefactors. If you want to manipulate the answers, the easiest way is to manage the setting of the questions.
(Incidentally, was the story of Rayner's child's needs known before all this blew up? I like to think I pay reasonable attention to that sort of thing, and I didn't know.)
On your last point, yes she has given interviews saying it was the NHS that was amazing and saved her child. That she sued them, I don't think so.
Sarah White ( @ReformSarah on twitter), an official of the Epping Forest Reform branch, interviewed by Dan Wootton. She was arrested for trying to hang a flag on Epping Forest District Council offices. She is one of the "Pink Ladies", who has been all over the media as 'local woman protesting to save her children'.
Wootton did not say why she was arrested, but it is probably imo for breach of a Section 14 order, which applies limits to demonstrations. They allege brutality around the arrest.
I think Farage will need to act wrt that branch or he'll have a bigger problem, as they are very publicly aligned with Tommy Robinson, and she is on a process around "protests are not working, what more do we need to do?". She's also happy appearing with Piers Corbyn.
💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home
The Manor House for 750k! I live in a 3 bed semi worth more than that. If I met a Northern lass I could be lord of the Manor
Twas ever thus. My uncle, a pilot with the RAF, moved north from Hampshire, via Shropshire, ending up in near Elgin (actually a couple miles from Glenfiddich). The housing went from a small two bed to a rambling old rectory type with servants quarters (not used). Only works in one direction, sadly.
Too true. A couple with teenage sons were moved by father's work from well up north to Berkshire. The sons referred to their very upmarket, even posh, new house as 'the hovel'.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs. Do you think they would do a similar dig into farage's bank previous house living arrangements trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
That was based on a public statement made by the conveyancing firm in question.
What Roger is asking is: who was it that worked out that Raynor had underpaid stamp duty & told the Telegraph? That information is not public, so they must have had access to private information about Raynor’s tax affairs in order to find out about it in the first place.
Maybe but if everything is above board why worry
We have a media industry full of investigative journalists seeking a gotcha
Which is why we need to worry.
Whether Rayner has done anything wrong (probably, if only by careless omission), or anything wrong enough for it to be a sacking offence (I don't know, and I doubt anyone else does at this point either) is only loosely correlated to whether she will go, or to how much the ladies and gentlemen of the press will demand that she does go.
On one level, so what- politics isn't fair, life isn't fair. There are potenitally brilliant ministers of the One Nation tradition who we will never hear from, because the prime of their political lifetime corresponds to the time that tadition is dead. That some politicans have their cupboards ransacked for skeletons whilst others don't... that's a different kind of unfairness, especially when most of the media doesn't really exist comercially, but as the plaything of very specific sorts of benefactors. If you want to manipulate the answers, the easiest way is to manage the setting of the questions.
(Incidentally, was the story of Rayner's child's needs known before all this blew up? I like to think I pay reasonable attention to that sort of thing, and I didn't know.)
Re your last paragraph - I don’t believe so, and I believe it was Rayner herself who went to court this week to confirm she could disclose some of the details.
It was the legal settlement. She has regularly used the example of her child to talk about how important NHS / educational support is (and as an attack line) e.g.
The rally also heard the testimony of mother-of-three and Labour party activist, Angela Rayner, who told the audience she feared Gove’s focus on rigorous academic assessment would cause vulnerable children like her five-year-old partially blind son, Charlie, to be left behind.
“Throughout all his life Charlie has had special support but I’m worried all that is going to go now.
“He’s not going to be the type of child who puts you up at the top of the league table but he’s a true inspiration to all of us because despite all the odds he continues to fight every day.”
A senior lawyer sexually propositioned a colleague 54 years his junior in a French Riviera hotel room, an employment tribunal heard.
Andrew Greystoke invited 29-year-old Anita Obiagwu to his suite for a “debrief” on a work trip to Nice in October 2023 but while she was typing on her laptop he “inappropriately” caressed her and expressed a desire to have sex.
The married 83-year-old – educated at Cambridge University and Harvard – had opened a bottle of champagne before touching her without her consent, the hearing was told.
Miss Obiagwu said she was “frozen” as Mr Greystoke rubbed her arm and back and called her beautiful.
She told the tribunal: “Whilst I was typing, he began rubbing my arm and back and said he thinks that I am beautiful and said if anyone were to ask him if he would f--- me he would.
Is this trust a lot more complicated than what we’ve already heard ? And wouldn’t those tax advisers have asked for more detail before giving their advice if that was the case .
I tend to think Rayner genuinely didn’t try and rip off the HMRC because that would have been just so short sighted and risky given what happened last year .
Surely no one would be this stupid . It could be that she simply can’t prove that it was a genuine error and will end up going because of that .
This would be a massive loss to Labour because she was seen as the natural successor to Starmer , someone with a back story that meant she was seen as one of us not one of them .
If she's done for its a win for the UK. She is ghastly in so many ways. The thought of her as Prine Minister is just hideous.
Some serious desperation on here tonight. Rayner’s been caught out just as plenty of Tories have been caught out in the past and, no doubt, will again in the future.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs. Do you think they would do a similar dig into farage's bank previous house living arrangements trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
That was based on a public statement made by the conveyancing firm in question.
What Roger is asking is: who was it that worked out that Raynor had underpaid stamp duty & told the Telegraph? That information is not public, so they must have had access to private information about Raynor’s tax affairs in order to find out about it in the first place.
Maybe but if everything is above board why worry
We have a media industry full of investigative journalists seeking a gotcha
Which is why we need to worry.
Whether Rayner has done anything wrong (probably, if only by careless omission), or anything wrong enough for it to be a sacking offence (I don't know, and I doubt anyone else does at this point either) is only loosely correlated to whether she will go, or to how much the ladies and gentlemen of the press will demand that she does go.
On one level, so what- politics isn't fair, life isn't fair. There are potenitally brilliant ministers of the One Nation tradition who we will never hear from, because the prime of their political lifetime corresponds to the time that tadition is dead. That some politicans have their cupboards ransacked for skeletons whilst others don't... that's a different kind of unfairness, especially when most of the media doesn't really exist comercially, but as the plaything of very specific sorts of benefactors. If you want to manipulate the answers, the easiest way is to manage the setting of the questions.
(Incidentally, was the story of Rayner's child's needs known before all this blew up? I like to think I pay reasonable attention to that sort of thing, and I didn't know.)
She was under a Court Order of some sort - I would guess as part of the Hospital Trust settlement, which had to be lifted by an application to the court before she could talk about it.
It was lifted on September 3rd ie yesterday.
We can assume motives both ways, but I think this aspect of it is straight.
💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home
Only 6 of the last 10,500 properties sold in Ashton Under Lyme went for 650k or more, although I guess you’d expect Rayner to have one of the posher ones
You've never been to Trashton have you?
No!
I’ve been to Stockport once, on a stag do. A notorious hotel I believe, name escapes me
💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home
Only 6 of the last 10,500 properties sold in Ashton Under Lyme went for 650k or more, although I guess you’d expect Rayner to have one of the posher ones
You've never been to Trashton have you?
No!
I’ve been to Stockport once, on a stag do. A notorious hotel I believe, name escapes me
The Britannia.
About a decade ago it was the lowest ranked/dirtiest hotel on Tripadvisor.
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs? Do you think they would do a similar dig into Farage's bank, previous house, living arrangements, trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
Don’t be fooled by her accent, she is the Deputy Prime Minister of the country, not working on the till at Morrisons
Tomorrows headline "Raynor works second job as TILL ASSISTANT at MORRISONS!!!".
He'll forgive the tax stuff, but Anabobazina will get *really* mad if he hears she takes cash...
He also gets pretty cross about Labour ministers' names being spelled wrong.
Is this trust a lot more complicated than what we’ve already heard ? And wouldn’t those tax advisers have asked for more detail before giving their advice if that was the case .
I tend to think Rayner genuinely didn’t try and rip off the HMRC because that would have been just so short sighted and risky given what happened last year .
Surely no one would be this stupid . It could be that she simply can’t prove that it was a genuine error and will end up going because of that .
This would be a massive loss to Labour because she was seen as the natural successor to Starmer , someone with a back story that meant she was seen as one of us not one of them .
If she's done for its a win for the UK. She is ghastly in so many ways. The thought of her as Prine Minister is just hideous.
I would have loved to have seen her as PM but I accept she’s a bit of a Marmite character .
💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home
Only 6 of the last 10,500 properties sold in Ashton Under Lyme went for 650k or more, although I guess you’d expect Rayner to have one of the posher ones
You've never been to Trashton have you?
No!
I’ve been to Stockport once, on a stag do. A notorious hotel I believe, name escapes me
💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home
Only 6 of the last 10,500 properties sold in Ashton Under Lyme went for 650k or more, although I guess you’d expect Rayner to have one of the posher ones
You've never been to Trashton have you?
No!
I’ve been to Stockport once, on a stag do. A notorious hotel I believe, name escapes me
The Britannia.
About a decade ago it was the lowest ranked/dirtiest hotel on Tripadvisor.
Bredbury Hall
I also have been. We will leave it there.
I am glad you both made it out alive and unharmed.
Is this trust a lot more complicated than what we’ve already heard ? And wouldn’t those tax advisers have asked for more detail before giving their advice if that was the case .
I tend to think Rayner genuinely didn’t try and rip off the HMRC because that would have been just so short sighted and risky given what happened last year .
Surely no one would be this stupid . It could be that she simply can’t prove that it was a genuine error and will end up going because of that .
This would be a massive loss to Labour because she was seen as the natural successor to Starmer , someone with a back story that meant she was seen as one of us not one of them .
If she's done for its a win for the UK. She is ghastly in so many ways. The thought of her as Prine Minister is just hideous.
I would have loved to have seen her as PM but I accept she’s a bit of a Marmite character .
You obvious want the UK to be perceived as more of a laughing stock than it already is under Starmer and Reeves.
Once again social media manipulated to tell one story that proves to be untrue.
Unhelpfully, it does not help make clear what happened or which parties have been charged - the couple alleged to have been approached by, or who approached, or some unnamed couple manipulating the group of young people, or some fake video maker.
What a stupid shot from Archer. Needing two 6s, he goes for a 4 shot.
Some balls just can't be hit for 6. Its really not his fault. He has tried his very best and got a good score at a good rate. Some of those further up the batting order who lost their wickets at key times bear far more responsibility although the ball that got Buttler was simply brilliant.
Too many runs conceded. Broad pointing out that England's "5th bowler" went for 112 for the 10 overs. That is where the match was lost.
What a stupid shot from Archer. Needing two 6s, he goes for a 4 shot.
Some balls just can't be hit for 6. Its really not his fault. He has tried his very best and got a good score at a good rate. Some of those further up the batting order who lost their wickets at key times bear far more responsibility although the ball that got Buttler was simply brilliant.
Too many runs conceded. Broad pointing out that England's "5th bowler" went for 112 for the 10 overs. That is where the match was lost.
I agree it isn't his fault they were in that position, but the reverse sweep slog is a premediated shot and not one that a tailender is skilled enough to hit for 6 with any sort of high percentage. He is very strong guy and particularly hitting straight / to leg side. The bowler can't bowl down leg so you jump outside off and try and crunch it from there.
'The conveyancing firm that Angela Rayner used to complete her purchase of an £800,000 flat on the south coast has said it did not offer her tax advice and completed her stamp duty return based only on information she provided'
Is this trust a lot more complicated than what we’ve already heard ? And wouldn’t those tax advisers have asked for more detail before giving their advice if that was the case .
I tend to think Rayner genuinely didn’t try and rip off the HMRC because that would have been just so short sighted and risky given what happened last year .
Surely no one would be this stupid . It could be that she simply can’t prove that it was a genuine error and will end up going because of that .
This would be a massive loss to Labour because she was seen as the natural successor to Starmer , someone with a back story that meant she was seen as one of us not one of them .
If she's done for its a win for the UK. She is ghastly in so many ways. The thought of her as Prine Minister is just hideous.
I would have loved to have seen her as PM but I accept she’s a bit of a Marmite character .
You obvious want the UK to be perceived as more of a laughing stock than it already is under Starmer and Reeves.
After Brexit the only way is up ! That was peak embarrassment for the nation .
Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs? That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.
There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.
For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?
Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
Do you wonder where the Telegraph got their information about Rayner's tax affairs? Do you think they would do a similar dig into Farage's bank, previous house, living arrangements, trust's for his children? I don't. I don't think they'd have dared. She's an easy target. She doesn't know the best lawyers. She can't plant a writ on them as soon as she gets word they're up to their usual crap. I happen not to be a fan of Rayner but the Telegraph Express and Mail make me want to vomit
Don’t be fooled by her accent, she is the Deputy Prime Minister of the country, not working on the till at Morrisons
Tomorrows headline "Raynor works second job as TILL ASSISTANT at MORRISONS!!!".
He'll forgive the tax stuff, but Anabobazina will get *really* mad if he hears she takes cash...
He also gets pretty cross about Labour ministers' names being spelled wrong.
@Nigel_Farage · Feb 5, 2022 I had the misfortune of watching and listening to Nadine Dorries this morning. If she is the PM's defence then he really is a goner.
Is this trust a lot more complicated than what we’ve already heard ? And wouldn’t those tax advisers have asked for more detail before giving their advice if that was the case .
I tend to think Rayner genuinely didn’t try and rip off the HMRC because that would have been just so short sighted and risky given what happened last year .
Surely no one would be this stupid . It could be that she simply can’t prove that it was a genuine error and will end up going because of that .
This would be a massive loss to Labour because she was seen as the natural successor to Starmer , someone with a back story that meant she was seen as one of us not one of them .
If she's done for its a win for the UK. She is ghastly in so many ways. The thought of her as Prine Minister is just hideous.
I would have loved to have seen her as PM but I accept she’s a bit of a Marmite character .
Genuine question. Why? What do you think would have made her a good PM? What evidence is there for this?
Kate Ferguson @kateferguson4 · 36m Brace for lots of angry tweets about how rubbish Euston station is on here.
Spoiler - Reform Party conference is in Birmingham.
The lobby have to get the train from Euston station.
Birmingham New Street and Euston are two stations I hate as much as pineapple on pizza.
What's wrong with Euston? It's got a Hotel Chocolat, the good type of Leon, an M&S. There are some OK pubs. It's near Drummond Street if you want to go to a proper restaurant.
Is this trust a lot more complicated than what we’ve already heard ? And wouldn’t those tax advisers have asked for more detail before giving their advice if that was the case .
I tend to think Rayner genuinely didn’t try and rip off the HMRC because that would have been just so short sighted and risky given what happened last year .
Surely no one would be this stupid . It could be that she simply can’t prove that it was a genuine error and will end up going because of that .
This would be a massive loss to Labour because she was seen as the natural successor to Starmer , someone with a back story that meant she was seen as one of us not one of them .
If she's done for its a win for the UK. She is ghastly in so many ways. The thought of her as Prine Minister is just hideous.
I would have loved to have seen her as PM but I accept she’s a bit of a Marmite character .
Genuine question. Why? What do you think would have made her a good PM? What evidence is there for this?
Or just shits and giggles?
Rayner is very good as an attack dog and hyping up the base, but like Two Jags, there is absolutely no evidence she has the skills to do the top job.
Is this trust a lot more complicated than what we’ve already heard ? And wouldn’t those tax advisers have asked for more detail before giving their advice if that was the case .
I tend to think Rayner genuinely didn’t try and rip off the HMRC because that would have been just so short sighted and risky given what happened last year .
Surely no one would be this stupid . It could be that she simply can’t prove that it was a genuine error and will end up going because of that .
This would be a massive loss to Labour because she was seen as the natural successor to Starmer , someone with a back story that meant she was seen as one of us not one of them .
If she's done for its a win for the UK. She is ghastly in so many ways. The thought of her as Prine Minister is just hideous.
I would have loved to have seen her as PM but I accept she’s a bit of a Marmite character .
Genuine question. Why? What do you think would have made her a good PM? What evidence is there for this?
Or just shits and giggles?
She’s not wooden and would show a lot more vision for the country . She’s relatable and if you get the right people around you it’s not such a tough gig .
Kate Ferguson @kateferguson4 · 36m Brace for lots of angry tweets about how rubbish Euston station is on here.
Spoiler - Reform Party conference is in Birmingham.
The lobby have to get the train from Euston station.
Birmingham New Street and Euston are two stations I hate as much as pineapple on pizza.
What's wrong with Euston? It's got a Hotel Chocolat, the good type of Leon, an M&S. There are some OK pubs. It's near Drummond Street if you want to go to a proper restaurant.
There's no space on the platforms. And they're in the bowels.
Plus, it says "Grand Central" on the outside but not "Birmingham New Street", which is deeply confusing.
Kate Ferguson @kateferguson4 · 36m Brace for lots of angry tweets about how rubbish Euston station is on here.
Spoiler - Reform Party conference is in Birmingham.
The lobby have to get the train from Euston station.
Birmingham New Street and Euston are two stations I hate as much as pineapple on pizza.
What's wrong with Euston? It's got a Hotel Chocolat, the good type of Leon, an M&S. There are some OK pubs. It's near Drummond Street if you want to go to a proper restaurant.
My wife and I went from Colwyn Bay to Euston for lunch earlier this year before returning home for 6.00pm
We had lovely food and service in The Signal Box so much so we will do it again
Colwyn Bay to Euston in just 3 hours is an excellent service and wonderful not to drive and watch the world go by
Is this trust a lot more complicated than what we’ve already heard ? And wouldn’t those tax advisers have asked for more detail before giving their advice if that was the case .
I tend to think Rayner genuinely didn’t try and rip off the HMRC because that would have been just so short sighted and risky given what happened last year .
Surely no one would be this stupid . It could be that she simply can’t prove that it was a genuine error and will end up going because of that .
This would be a massive loss to Labour because she was seen as the natural successor to Starmer , someone with a back story that meant she was seen as one of us not one of them .
If she's done for its a win for the UK. She is ghastly in so many ways. The thought of her as Prine Minister is just hideous.
I would have loved to have seen her as PM but I accept she’s a bit of a Marmite character .
Genuine question. Why? What do you think would have made her a good PM? What evidence is there for this?
Or just shits and giggles?
She’s not wooden and would show a lot more vision for the country . She’s relatable and if you get the right people around you it’s not such a tough gig .
Its an absolutely insanely tough job, especially for the foreseeable future, as Rishi found out and Starmer is finding out. Brown couldn't do it, May couldn't do it, Boris and Truss were a shit show. Blair and Cameron are the only two that looked like they could at least keep the ship heading in the direction they had plotted.
Part-Time MP Farage, if he does somehow make it into #10, I think we will see same problem as Boris.
Mayor of London or Manchester, yes you can do that kind of job where your team does the donkey work and you do the speeches.
Is this trust a lot more complicated than what we’ve already heard ? And wouldn’t those tax advisers have asked for more detail before giving their advice if that was the case .
I tend to think Rayner genuinely didn’t try and rip off the HMRC because that would have been just so short sighted and risky given what happened last year .
Surely no one would be this stupid . It could be that she simply can’t prove that it was a genuine error and will end up going because of that .
This would be a massive loss to Labour because she was seen as the natural successor to Starmer , someone with a back story that meant she was seen as one of us not one of them .
If she's done for its a win for the UK. She is ghastly in so many ways. The thought of her as Prine Minister is just hideous.
I would have loved to have seen her as PM but I accept she’s a bit of a Marmite character .
Genuine question. Why? What do you think would have made her a good PM? What evidence is there for this?
Or just shits and giggles?
She’s not wooden and would show a lot more vision for the country . She’s relatable and if you get the right people around you it’s not such a tough gig .
What’s her vision now? Give me the evidence. All I see is a hugely tribal labour mp with a fun back story, some hard times and now caught trying to do what she harassed the Tories for doing. I see no sign of vision.
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I really wouldn't bet on the Telegraph being entirely objective in their reporting.
Also Rayner herself has mentioned her vulnerable son
(I wouldn’t be surprised if the trust had paid for the modifications anyway…)
Andrew Greystoke invited 29-year-old Anita Obiagwu to his suite for a “debrief” on a work trip to Nice in October 2023 but while she was typing on her laptop he “inappropriately” caressed her and expressed a desire to have sex.
The married 83-year-old – educated at Cambridge University and Harvard – had opened a bottle of champagne before touching her without her consent, the hearing was told.
Miss Obiagwu said she was “frozen” as Mr Greystoke rubbed her arm and back and called her beautiful.
She told the tribunal: “Whilst I was typing, he began rubbing my arm and back and said he thinks that I am beautiful and said if anyone were to ask him if he would f--- me he would.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/04/solicitor-sexual-harassment-colleague-greystoke-tribunal/?recomm_id=4b95baf7-e66b-4b84-bf48-79c08ab2c919
When people criticise people like Bezos or Musk for mucking about with rockets and space stuff - not merely that they have the kind of unfairly obscene level of wealth that enables them to do so, but that they choose to funnel it in that specific area - it just seems like an odd choice to focus on to me.
Kind of reminds me of one of Ben Bova's Mars books where the protagonist was so against people cluttering up the untouched martian landscape even lightly, to the point the whole planet was almost made open for complete exploitation instead because of his stubborness.
It seems very unlikely that Shoosmiths would permit an egregiously overvalued sale as it would be to the detriment of the trust beneficiary & in breach of their fiduciary duties. I would expect them to have demanded a valuation by a RICS registered surveyor to protect everyone involved from accusations of impropriety.
The headline of that Telegraph article is full of fire & brimstone, whereas the actual documented facts further down the article suggest that the property was not overvalued - the comparators the Telegraph use are 3 bed properties whereas the Raynor’s house was a 4 bed & the 3-bed sale was in 2021, whereas the valuation for Raynor’s was in 2023. They even found a local estate agent to value the Raynor’s property for them who valued it at ... wait for it ... £620k.
This particular attack line appears to be a complete nothing-burger. It’s a hit piece manufactured out of thin air & innuendo with nothing actually behind it.
On the second point, sure, if the trust existed; but we don't know the timings of such things as the compo payout, which would precede the formation of the trust. IANAL but those things seem to take years. Which is what I was thinking of.
Well that Oxbridge fucked then....
Lawyers represent the best of humanity underpinned by a strong sense of ethics, especially Cambridge educated ones.
This story has shocked me to my core.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/04/angela-rayner-used-family-conveyancing-firm-to-buy-tax-row-flat?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Ugh, best lawyers is a horrible tautology.
It’s possible someone within the Labour party noticed & leaked it for internal political reasons, or maybe a civil servant saw a chance to make a fast few £? The latter would be a crime, obviously. The former might not be, just extremely dirty tricks.
They are also investigating Rayner and publishing some pretty damninig stuff about her dealings.
What Roger is asking is: who was it that worked out that Raynor had underpaid stamp duty & told the Telegraph? That information is not public, so they must have had access to private information about Raynor’s tax affairs in order to find out about it in the first place.
The tactics of the newspapers leave a lot to be desired for many reasons but frankly it’s no surprise that when someone who had set themselves up over years as the witch finder General now finds themself accused of being a witch, the newspapers will go into overdrive.
I also seem to remember much press comment and glee over Farage’s banking issues with Coutts.
Just saying.
We have a media industry full of investigative journalists seeking a gotcha
During Brown's time as chancellor, it often seemed that a Sunday didn't go past without some negative stories about Labour ministers. Weirdly they reduced massively after a certain incident.
Now, I'm aware some would have me believe the best he can hope for is to be flipping burgers with his degree - his brother works in a bar with his - but I'm cautiously optimistic he will do well. I've already taught him the two most important legal words - pro bono - in case his Uncle ever needs commercial legal advice.
The loan is about £10k per year - 45 years ago, when I started life as an undergraduate, I got full grant, I'd saved some money from working for a year aftert leaving school and beer was 35p a pint in the student bar, three pints for a quid.
The times, they've been a-changin'. I realise on almost a daily basis how fortunate I have been to have lived when I have but I can only hope at some point in the future, when our current problems have been solved, beer can be cheap once again.
For one thing, it is exceptionally patronising towards Rayner. She’s a smart cookie who works in high politics and has access to all sorts of people and I am sure can find her way to a top lawyer if she needs one. So let’s please not see classism where there isn’t any. There’s been plenty of classist rubbish written about her before, but this is really wide of the mark.
Like many others I generally sympathise with her that she was in a complicated situation, and sometimes complicated situations lead to complicated tax stuff, and she’s been caught out. Quite how bad it is for her will depend on what she’s been advised, but the initial story is starting to look a little flaky - we shall see. As others have said, what hasn’t helped has been the optics around being the first person in the Labour government to attack others for real or perceived impropriety, and the fact she is generally considered to be the most bullish member of the government on increasing taxes.
The child was born in 2008, and the settlement was received in 2020.
Given that he is registered blind, I'd suggest modifications would have been needed earlier.
I'd say it is likely they did a lot first, but the trust may well have done some since. And Local Authority funding would be available for major alterations (up to low 5 figures), under a scheme which I think is not means tested but would be limited to major adaptations - there's an elderly couple near me who had a lift installed.
Anyway good night all before I get more upset about it.
I tend to think Rayner genuinely didn’t try and rip off the HMRC because that would have been just so short sighted and risky given what happened last year .
Surely no one would be this stupid . It could be that she simply can’t prove that it was a genuine error and will end up going because of that .
This would be a massive loss to Labour because she was seen as the natural successor to Starmer , someone with a back story that meant she was seen as one of us not one of them .
Loose Onions is a far better handle, is not ?
Whether Rayner has done anything wrong (probably, if only by careless omission), or anything wrong enough for it to be a sacking offence (I don't know, and I doubt anyone else does at this point either) is only loosely correlated to whether she will go, or to how much the ladies and gentlemen of the press will demand that she does go.
On one level, so what- politics isn't fair, life isn't fair. There are potenitally brilliant ministers of the One Nation tradition who we will never hear from, because the prime of their political lifetime corresponds to the time that tadition is dead. That some politicans have their cupboards ransacked for skeletons whilst others don't... that's a different kind of unfairness, especially when most of the media doesn't really exist comercially, but as the plaything of very specific sorts of benefactors. If you want to manipulate the answers, the easiest way is to manage the setting of the questions.
(Incidentally, was the story of Rayner's child's needs known before all this blew up? I like to think I pay reasonable attention to that sort of thing, and I didn't know.)
Sarah White ( @ReformSarah on twitter), an official of the Epping Forest Reform branch, interviewed by Dan Wootton. She was arrested for trying to hang a flag on Epping Forest District Council offices. She is one of the "Pink Ladies", who has been all over the media as 'local woman protesting to save her children'.
Wootton did not say why she was arrested, but it is probably imo for breach of a Section 14 order, which applies limits to demonstrations. They allege brutality around the arrest.
I think Farage will need to act wrt that branch or he'll have a bigger problem, as they are very publicly aligned with Tommy Robinson, and she is on a process around "protests are not working, what more do we need to do?". She's also happy appearing with Piers Corbyn.
Linky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx-5maCZnU4
The rally also heard the testimony of mother-of-three and Labour party activist, Angela Rayner, who told the audience she feared Gove’s focus on rigorous academic assessment would cause vulnerable children like her five-year-old partially blind son, Charlie, to be left behind.
“Throughout all his life Charlie has had special support but I’m worried all that is going to go now.
“He’s not going to be the type of child who puts you up at the top of the league table but he’s a true inspiration to all of us because despite all the odds he continues to fight every day.”
https://www.equaltimes.org/uk-unions-blast-education-secretary-over-controversial-reforms?lang=en
SNP: 31% (+1)
RFM: 21% (+14)
LAB: 17% (-18)
CON: 11% (-2)
LDM: 11% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+2)
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@Moreincommon_
, 21 Aug - 1 Sep.
Changes w/ GE2024.
Though the Americans did show the good sense to have him struck off.
https://news.stv.tv/north/man-and-woman-charged-over-dundee-incident-involving-girl-wielding-knife-and-axe
Once again social media manipulated to tell one story that proves to be untrue.
It was lifted on September 3rd ie yesterday.
We can assume motives both ways, but I think this aspect of it is straight.
We all need to be resolute in keeping stum.
Too many runs conceded. Broad pointing out that England's "5th bowler" went for 112 for the 10 overs. That is where the match was lost.
'The conveyancing firm that Angela Rayner used to complete her purchase of an £800,000 flat on the south coast has said it did not offer her tax advice and completed her stamp duty return based only on information she provided'
I will leave that there
There’s always a tweet
@Nigel_Farage
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Feb 5, 2022
I had the misfortune of watching and listening to Nadine Dorries this morning. If she is the PM's defence then he really is a goner.
Or just shits and giggles?
You might get away with calling it 'Euroclub Express'
Those were the days...
Plus, it says "Grand Central" on the outside but not "Birmingham New Street", which is deeply confusing.
Moor Street is nice.
We had lovely food and service in The Signal Box so much so we will do it again
Colwyn Bay to Euston in just 3 hours is an excellent service and wonderful not to drive and watch the world go by
Part-Time MP Farage, if he does somehow make it into #10, I think we will see same problem as Boris.
Mayor of London or Manchester, yes you can do that kind of job where your team does the donkey work and you do the speeches.