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Angela’s ambitions in ashes? – politicalbetting.com

Blistering statement from the law firms that acted for Angela Rayner Joanna Verrico tells the Tel they never gave tax advice.“We probably are being made scapegoats for all this and I have got the arrows stuck in my back to show it.“

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  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,688
    edited September 4
    MPs, Lords, Mayors, PCCs and councillors defect, Nadine has just joined Reform
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,032
    Rayner should have paid for an accountant or financial adviser it seems, not just lawyers
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,032

    MPs, Lords, Mayors, PCCs and councillors defect, Nadine has just joined Reform

    Least surprising move of the year, though if Farage lost the next GE and Jenrick became Tory leader I could see her defecting back
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,688
    HYUFD said:

    MPs, Lords, Mayors, PCCs and councillors defect, Nadine has just joined Reform

    Least surprising move of the year, though if Farage lost the next GE and Jenrick became Tory leader I could see her defecting back
    Would the Tories want her?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,032

    HYUFD said:

    MPs, Lords, Mayors, PCCs and councillors defect, Nadine has just joined Reform

    Least surprising move of the year, though if Farage lost the next GE and Jenrick became Tory leader I could see her defecting back
    Would the Tories want her?
    Jenrick would, Kemi and Cleverly and Stride likely say good riddance
  • You can see why England rate Jacob Bethell.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,135
    The Guardian's report on reaction in Angela's constituency will make grim reading.
    No doubt, there will have been pride at seeing their MP become DPM, now it looks a certain Farage pick-up.
    Looks like she really is toast. Sad, really.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/04/its-a-disgrace-rayners-constituents-call-for-her-resignation-after-stamp-duty-row
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,899
    edited September 4

    The average IQ of the Tory Party and Reform just increased.

    BREAKING: Former Conservative minister Nadine Dorries defects to Reform UK.

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1963666273503490084

    Can Starmer's day get any better? Ange on her way out and Dorries joins Farage. She might get her "ladyship" mind.
  • The Guardian's report on reaction in Angela's constituency will make grim reading.
    No doubt, there will have been pride at seeing their MP become DPM, now it looks a certain Farage pick-up.
    Looks like she really is toast. Sad, really.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/04/its-a-disgrace-rayners-constituents-call-for-her-resignation-after-stamp-duty-row

    As one of the few PBers who has spent a lot of time in Trashton (as the locals call it) I think she's still popular out there.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,683
    Mad Nad is gone. Just rejoice at that news.
  • You can see why England rate Jacob Bethell.

    Fuck's sake.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,738
    Kate Ferguson
    @kateferguson4
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    36m
    Brace for lots of angry tweets about how rubbish Euston station is on here.

    Spoiler - Reform Party conference is in Birmingham.

    The lobby have to get the train from Euston station.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,084
    Was genuinely amusing this week seeing the heartfelt defences of Rayner on here. There are none so blind…
  • Kate Ferguson
    @kateferguson4
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    36m
    Brace for lots of angry tweets about how rubbish Euston station is on here.

    Spoiler - Reform Party conference is in Birmingham.

    The lobby have to get the train from Euston station.

    Birmingham New Street and Euston are two stations I hate as much as pineapple on pizza.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,899

    The Guardian's report on reaction in Angela's constituency will make grim reading.
    No doubt, there will have been pride at seeing their MP become DPM, now it looks a certain Farage pick-up.
    Looks like she really is toast. Sad, really.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/04/its-a-disgrace-rayners-constituents-call-for-her-resignation-after-stamp-duty-row

    As one of the few PBers who has spent a lot of time in Trashton (as the locals call it) I think she's still popular out there.
    Commutable from Hove too!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,220
    Evening all :)

    Am I to be the first to "congratulate" @TSE on another awful, excruciating pun in the header? It almost makes me want to cut my own legs off (too soon?).

    As for Dorries, I'm agog with indifference.

    As for Stamer having "a good day", it's never good for a leader to lose a deputy because it leaves the way open for a more ambitious challenger to move up the hierarchy. I doubt Starmer wants to lose Rayner whose role is analogous was that of Prescott under Blair but she does seem to be running out of road.

    Obviously, he can appoint a Housing Minister but there's no requirement to have a Deputy Prime Minister so perhaps that part of the role will just fall vacant until, so we are led to believe, incoming PM Farage puts Tice in post.
  • HYUFD said:

    MPs, Lords, Mayors, PCCs and councillors defect, Nadine has just joined Reform

    Least surprising move of the year, though if Farage lost the next GE and Jenrick became Tory leader I could see her defecting back
    No thank you
  • isamisam Posts: 42,452
    Keir Starmer didn't want to wait for the report into Nadhim Zahawi's tax affairs before asking for him to be sacked

    So why hasn't he already sacked Angela Rayner!

    https://x.com/timmyvoe/status/1963622935857340794?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,483

    The average IQ of the Tory Party and Reform just increased.

    BREAKING: Former Conservative minister Nadine Dorries defects to Reform UK.

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1963666273503490084

    Whilst I don't (obviously) agree with your framing, it's a very good signing for Nige.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,738

    The average IQ of the Tory Party and Reform just increased.

    BREAKING: Former Conservative minister Nadine Dorries defects to Reform UK.

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1963666273503490084

    Whilst I don't (obviously) agree with your framing, it's a very good signing for Nige.
    Pretty sure Ed Davey will be cracking a can tonight.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,452
    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,483

    The average IQ of the Tory Party and Reform just increased.

    BREAKING: Former Conservative minister Nadine Dorries defects to Reform UK.

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1963666273503490084

    Whilst I don't (obviously) agree with your framing, it's a very good signing for Nige.
    Pretty sure Ed Davey will be cracking a can tonight.
    Drowning his sorrows over the fate of poor Angela I expect.
  • I have a great deal of sympathy for Rayner. She seems to have made a genuine mistake with respect to a rather arcane and counterintuitive aspect of the rules around stamp duty. She was only in this complex situation because of a tragic family health situation. I think many people in her situation might have made the same error - it's one of those situations where you might never have thought to ask for formal legal advice because the potential problem would simply not be apparent.
    Still, the world of politics is not fair, and having criticized others for tax avoidance she has to be like Ceasar's wife with respect to her own tax affairs. I don't think she can survive this. But I hope she will be back after a suitable period in the wilderness, because she is a fundamentally decent and honest person with a compelling backstory and an all too rare working class voice in politics.

    I still want to think this, because of course I am also a fundamentally decent and honest person. But she is running out of road / people to blame...
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,084

    The average IQ of the Tory Party and Reform just increased.

    BREAKING: Former Conservative minister Nadine Dorries defects to Reform UK.

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1963666273503490084

    Whilst I don't (obviously) agree with your framing, it's a very good signing for Nige.
    Farage needs to present a clean break. A business titan as Chancellor, a retired general at Defence. Signing more failed Tory mps guarantees they will be a shower of sh1te
  • FffsFffs Posts: 109

    I have a great deal of sympathy for Rayner. She seems to have made a genuine mistake with respect to a rather arcane and counterintuitive aspect of the rules around stamp duty. She was only in this complex situation because of a tragic family health situation. I think many people in her situation might have made the same error - it's one of those situations where you might never have thought to ask for formal legal advice because the potential problem would simply not be apparent.
    Still, the world of politics is not fair, and having criticized others for tax avoidance she has to be like Ceasar's wife with respect to her own tax affairs. I don't think she can survive this. But I hope she will be back after a suitable period in the wilderness, because she is a fundamentally decent and honest person with a compelling backstory and an all too rare working class voice in politics.

    I'm with you on the personal sympathy, but this is not arcane in the least - the rule she fell foul of is stated in the plainest possible English on the most basic page about higher stamp duty rates:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/stamp-duty-land-tax-buying-an-additional-residential-property
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,483
    moonshine said:

    The average IQ of the Tory Party and Reform just increased.

    BREAKING: Former Conservative minister Nadine Dorries defects to Reform UK.

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1963666273503490084

    Whilst I don't (obviously) agree with your framing, it's a very good signing for Nige.
    Farage needs to present a clean break. A business titan as Chancellor, a retired general at Defence. Signing more failed Tory mps guarantees they will be a shower of sh1te
    I think at present, he needs some more seasoned media performers. He just doesn't have them.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,135

    The average IQ of the Tory Party and Reform just increased.

    BREAKING: Former Conservative minister Nadine Dorries defects to Reform UK.

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1963666273503490084

    Whilst I don't (obviously) agree with your framing, it's a very good signing for Nige.
    Someone who had a hissy fit and resigned her seat when Rishi wouldn't promise her a peerage? Yeah, right.

    Of course, in principle, Tories defecting to Reform is bad for Tories and good for Reform. But if any signing can mitigate the impact it surely has to be a raging narcissist like Mad Nad.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,220

    I have a great deal of sympathy for Rayner. She seems to have made a genuine mistake with respect to a rather arcane and counterintuitive aspect of the rules around stamp duty. She was only in this complex situation because of a tragic family health situation. I think many people in her situation might have made the same error - it's one of those situations where you might never have thought to ask for formal legal advice because the potential problem would simply not be apparent.
    Still, the world of politics is not fair, and having criticized others for tax avoidance she has to be like Ceasar's wife with respect to her own tax affairs. I don't think she can survive this. But I hope she will be back after a suitable period in the wilderness, because she is a fundamentally decent and honest person with a compelling backstory and an all too rare working class voice in politics.

    Completely agree with you on this.

    The problem is the way she dished it out to the Conservatives when they faced similar allegations is coming back to bite her and a reminder Opposition is one thing, Government something else and if and when you are found out doing something you shouldn't, you can expect neither quarter nor mercy from your opponents who will have longer memories.

    As I said yeaterday, however, what will force her out isn't the vitriol of her opponents (though they may claim the credit) but the inaction of her friends. You can rely on your enemies but the moment you can no longer rely on your allies your goose is well and truly ready to be taken out of the oven.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,844

    moonshine said:

    The average IQ of the Tory Party and Reform just increased.

    BREAKING: Former Conservative minister Nadine Dorries defects to Reform UK.

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1963666273503490084

    Whilst I don't (obviously) agree with your framing, it's a very good signing for Nige.
    Farage needs to present a clean break. A business titan as Chancellor, a retired general at Defence. Signing more failed Tory mps guarantees they will be a shower of sh1te
    I think at present, he needs some more seasoned media performers. He just doesn't have them.
    He has never wanted to share the limelight and so has driven them away. Even the ultra-successful Thatchers and Blairs of this world had a sense of their party being bigger than them in the end.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,738

    Larry Sabato
    @LarrySabato
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    2h
    I’ve watched 100s of congressional hearings over 55 years. Rarely if ever have I seen a witness so thoroughly destroyed as RFK Jr has been today.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1963642629112881359
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,307
    "Giorgio Armani, celebrated Italian fashion designer, dies at 91
    His company pays tribute to its ‘tireless driving force’ who pioneered soft power dressing and built a global empire"

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2025/sep/04/giorgio-armani-celebrated-italian-fashion-designer-dies-at-91
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,073

    The average IQ of the Tory Party and Reform just increased.

    BREAKING: Former Conservative minister Nadine Dorries defects to Reform UK.

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1963666273503490084

    Whilst I don't (obviously) agree with your framing, it's a very good signing for Nige.
    Dorries thought Johnson could walk on water and refused to accept that he was a pathological liar so yes she will be welcome amongst the Reform detritus .
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,368

    The average IQ of the Tory Party and Reform just increased.

    BREAKING: Former Conservative minister Nadine Dorries defects to Reform UK.

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1963666273503490084

    Whilst I don't (obviously) agree with your framing, it's a very good signing for Nige.
    Someone who had a hissy fit and resigned her seat when Rishi wouldn't promise her a peerage? Yeah, right.

    Of course, in principle, Tories defecting to Reform is bad for Tories and good for Reform. But if any signing can mitigate the impact it surely has to be a raging narcissist like Mad Nad.
    Im sure she has her appeal, but if she's given any prominence it would be a risk, she has potential to cause trouble.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,307

    Kate Ferguson
    @kateferguson4
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    36m
    Brace for lots of angry tweets about how rubbish Euston station is on here.

    Spoiler - Reform Party conference is in Birmingham.

    The lobby have to get the train from Euston station.

    No sympathy — I have to use the station all the time, not just when there's a conference on.
  • Nadine Dorries who gave us the OSA has defected to a party led by a man who has just told America the OSA is bobbins.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,330
    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Suggesting that she scammed her son's trust fund?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,688
    Truss next. Come on Liz. You know you want to join Reform
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,324
    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    So, I'm a little more sceptical here. Trustees have a legal responsibility to act in the best interests of the beneficiaries of the Trust. If they fail to do so, they can end up in very serious hot water.

    Trustees are normally accountants or lawyers, and they are rarely paid particularly well for the legal risks they are assuming. For this reason, I've never seen a trustee be anything other than ultra cautious: they simply have nothing to gain.

    Now, it may be the case that Ms Rayner is herself the Trustee. In which case there is a serious conflict of interests here, as well as a potential misvaluation. But if the trustees are accountants or lawyers, then I suspect that they will have taken professional advice on valuations.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,812

    The average IQ of the Tory Party and Reform just increased.

    BREAKING: Former Conservative minister Nadine Dorries defects to Reform UK.

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1963666273503490084

    And that of Reform barely twitches.
  • Nadine was an ultra Boris loyalist.

    Would she have gone without a nod and a wink from him?

    Now that defection would be really interesting.....
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,324

    Kate Ferguson
    @kateferguson4
    ·
    36m
    Brace for lots of angry tweets about how rubbish Euston station is on here.

    Spoiler - Reform Party conference is in Birmingham.

    The lobby have to get the train from Euston station.

    Wise travellers will get the Class 68 hauled service from Marylebone to Moor Street.
    While (much) slower, that's a much more pleasant way to travel.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,135

    Nadine was an ultra Boris loyalist.

    Would she have gone without a nod and a wink from him?

    Now that defection would be really interesting.....

    The one thing that Boris really cares about (apart from himself) is Ukraine.

    I very much doubt he would want to have anything to do with Farage on that basis alone.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,197
    edited September 4
    Andy_JS said:

    "Giorgio Armani, celebrated Italian fashion designer, dies at 91
    His company pays tribute to its ‘tireless driving force’ who pioneered soft power dressing and built a global empire"

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2025/sep/04/giorgio-armani-celebrated-italian-fashion-designer-dies-at-91

    RIP. I'll rewatch American Gigolo in memory.

    You can't look better than Richard Gere in that film.

    Call Me ...

  • Larry Sabato
    @LarrySabato
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    I’ve watched 100s of congressional hearings over 55 years. Rarely if ever have I seen a witness so thoroughly destroyed as RFK Jr has been today.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1963642629112881359

    I'm curious how thoroughly destroyed is defined and sceptical if even a single mind will have been changed over his testimony.

    Those who already thought he was a crackpot will have had that confirmed.

    Those who drink the kool aid will think he did well.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,646
    edited September 4
    kinabalu said:


    Larry Sabato
    @LarrySabato
    ·
    2h
    I’ve watched 100s of congressional hearings over 55 years. Rarely if ever have I seen a witness so thoroughly destroyed as RFK Jr has been today.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1963642629112881359

    Trouble is he doesn't care and nor does his boss.
    Anyone involved in oppositional politics will know the joy of "we've REALLY got them this time"...

    ... evaporating as it becomes clear that it doesn't matter.

    Those who are brazen enough can survive all sorts of things, and those who aren't don't survive even when they objectively ought to.
  • Nadine was an ultra Boris loyalist.

    Would she have gone without a nod and a wink from him?

    Now that defection would be really interesting.....

    The one thing that Boris really cares about (apart from himself) is Ukraine.

    I very much doubt he would want to have anything to do with Farage on that basis alone.
    Agreed, but the former would trump the latter. Boris wins with Boris over Ukraine everytime and he would assume he could sort that later on anyway.

    If he were to defect (massive IF) he would stand a signicantly better chance of ending up PM again than if he remains in the doldrums on the holed below the water line HMS Tory.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,934
    Seems probable to me that she got in a stew and just vaguely remembered hearing something somewhere and it just snowballed from there. No ill intent but this is politics.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,324
    kinabalu said:


    Larry Sabato
    @LarrySabato
    ·
    2h
    I’ve watched 100s of congressional hearings over 55 years. Rarely if ever have I seen a witness so thoroughly destroyed as RFK Jr has been today.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1963642629112881359

    Trouble is he doesn't care and nor does his boss.
    Oh, I'm sure it was very embarassing for RFK - especially as at least one Republican Senator was not afraid to go for him.

    But will it affect his behaviour? Nope.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,934

    moonshine said:

    The average IQ of the Tory Party and Reform just increased.

    BREAKING: Former Conservative minister Nadine Dorries defects to Reform UK.

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1963666273503490084

    Whilst I don't (obviously) agree with your framing, it's a very good signing for Nige.
    Farage needs to present a clean break. A business titan as Chancellor, a retired general at Defence. Signing more failed Tory mps guarantees they will be a shower of sh1te
    I think at present, he needs some more seasoned media performers. He just doesn't have them.
    He might need them but they might outshine him. No contest.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,899
    edited September 4
    ...
    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:


    Larry Sabato
    @LarrySabato
    ·
    2h
    I’ve watched 100s of congressional hearings over 55 years. Rarely if ever have I seen a witness so thoroughly destroyed as RFK Jr has been today.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1963642629112881359

    Trouble is he doesn't care and nor does his boss.
    Oh, I'm sure it was very embarassing for RFK - especially as at least one Republican Senator was not afraid to go for him.

    But will it affect his behaviour? Nope.
    Two grifters in two days handed their arses by Congress.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,812
    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:


    Larry Sabato
    @LarrySabato
    ·
    2h
    I’ve watched 100s of congressional hearings over 55 years. Rarely if ever have I seen a witness so thoroughly destroyed as RFK Jr has been today.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1963642629112881359

    Trouble is he doesn't care and nor does his boss.
    Oh, I'm sure it was very embarassing for RFK - especially as at least one Republican Senator was not afraid to go for him.

    But will it affect his behaviour? Nope.
    Less than did the brainworm, probably.
  • isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    That's one thing I was curious about - £650k must get you a house which is nice, big and in the best part of Ashton under Lyne.

    Rightmove has currently three houses for sale for over £600k in Ashton and one of them hasn't even been built yet.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?searchLocation=Ashton-Under-Lyne,+Greater+Manchester&useLocationIdentifier=true&locationIdentifier=REGION^61&radius=0.0&minPrice=600000&_includeSSTC=on&index=0&sortType=2&channel=BUY&transactionType=BUY&displayLocationIdentifier=Ashton-Under-Lyne.html
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,747
    Cookie said:

    Off thread: I've just had some promotional mail from Sainsbury's, titled:

    Cookie,
    We love that you love
    Loose Onions

    In which 'Loose Onions' is very much the 'Insert Text Here'.

    Is this how I am perceived by the world? Onions? I've railed for years against Big Everything Knowing Too Much, and it turns out this is hiw Big Everything sees me? A man who loves buying loose onions?

    I'd almost be less disappointed if it was intimate lube and Mars bars.

    Marianne always denied that!!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,812
    edited September 4
    I recall (the now absent ?) Dura saying Ukraine had limited or no SEAD capacity.

    Evidence is mounting, showing that the Ukrainian SEAD campaign gathered success.

    First, Ukrainian Air Force resumed Bayraktar MALE strike missions. ..

    https://x.com/Ath3neN0ctu4/status/1963572287774376272
  • isamisam Posts: 42,452

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    That's one thing I was curious about - £650k must get you a house which is nice, big and in the best part of Ashton under Lyne.

    Rightmove has currently three houses for sale for over £600k in Ashton and one of them hasn't even been built yet.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?searchLocation=Ashton-Under-Lyne,+Greater+Manchester&useLocationIdentifier=true&locationIdentifier=REGION^61&radius=0.0&minPrice=600000&_includeSSTC=on&index=0&sortType=2&channel=BUY&transactionType=BUY&displayLocationIdentifier=Ashton-Under-Lyne.html
    The Manor House for 750k! I live in a 3 bed semi worth more than that. If I met a Northern lass I could be lord of the Manor
  • eekeek Posts: 31,115

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Suggesting that she scammed her son's trust fund?
    Let's repeat my post from earlier

    If a surveyor used the comparators in that article to calculator fair price they wouldn't have a leg to stand on were they to be sued... A 3 bed semi definitely isn't a reasonable comparison to a 4 bed detached especially 1 adapted at vast expense to meet someone's particular needs.

    What you are then left with is the difficult question of how do you value a property especially adapted for the needs of someone who needs a property to be adapted. Which if £80,000 of adaptions would be required to your typical £550,000 home may make a £630,000 valuation reasonable under the circumstances...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,483

    Truss next. Come on Liz. You know you want to join Reform

    Liz is looking good at the moment, apropos of nothing.

    https://youtu.be/e54fB9lDUiQ?si=ikwIRK0fcbzY3cAt
  • isamisam Posts: 42,452
    edited September 4

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    That's one thing I was curious about - £650k must get you a house which is nice, big and in the best part of Ashton under Lyne.

    Rightmove has currently three houses for sale for over £600k in Ashton and one of them hasn't even been built yet.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?searchLocation=Ashton-Under-Lyne,+Greater+Manchester&useLocationIdentifier=true&locationIdentifier=REGION^61&radius=0.0&minPrice=600000&_includeSSTC=on&index=0&sortType=2&channel=BUY&transactionType=BUY&displayLocationIdentifier=Ashton-Under-Lyne.html
    Only 6 of the last 10,500 properties sold in Ashton Under Lyme went for 650k or more, although I guess you’d expect Rayner to have one of the posher ones
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,899

    Truss next. Come on Liz. You know you want to join Reform

    Liz is looking good at the moment, apropos of nothing.

    https://youtu.be/e54fB9lDUiQ?si=ikwIRK0fcbzY3cAt
    Nice to see her smiling so much.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,168
    Cookie said:

    Off thread: I've just had some promotional mail from Sainsbury's, titled:

    Cookie,
    We love that you love
    Loose Onions

    In which 'Loose Onions' is very much the 'Insert Text Here'.

    Is this how I am perceived by the world? Onions? I've railed for years against Big Everything Knowing Too Much, and it turns out this is hiw Big Everything sees me? A man who loves buying loose onions?

    I'd almost be less disappointed if it was intimate lube and Mars bars.

    I knew ITV were cost cutting so replacing the Nolan’s and Christine Lampard on Loose Women makes sense. Loose Onions might actually turn out to be an upgrade.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,747
    eek said:

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Suggesting that she scammed her son's trust fund?
    Let's repeat my post from earlier

    If a surveyor used the comparators in that article to calculator fair price they wouldn't have a leg to stand on were they to be sued... A 3 bed semi definitely isn't a reasonable comparison to a 4 bed detached especially 1 adapted at vast expense to meet someone's particular needs.

    What you are then left with is the difficult question of how do you value a property especially adapted for the needs of someone who needs a property to be adapted. Which if £80,000 of adaptions would be required to your typical £550,000 home may make a £630,000 valuation reasonable under the circumstances...
    Specialist adaptations are likely to reduce the value to a third party

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they have just added £80k to the value on the grounds that’s what they spent (and perhaps used a value from the time of the divorce)
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    That's one thing I was curious about - £650k must get you a house which is nice, big and in the best part of Ashton under Lyne.

    Rightmove has currently three houses for sale for over £600k in Ashton and one of them hasn't even been built yet.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?searchLocation=Ashton-Under-Lyne,+Greater+Manchester&useLocationIdentifier=true&locationIdentifier=REGION^61&radius=0.0&minPrice=600000&_includeSSTC=on&index=0&sortType=2&channel=BUY&transactionType=BUY&displayLocationIdentifier=Ashton-Under-Lyne.html
    Only 6 of the last 10,500 properties sold in Ashton Under Lyme went for 650k or more, although I guess you’d expect Rayner to have one of the posher ones
    You've never been to Trashton have you?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,452

    isam said:

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    That's one thing I was curious about - £650k must get you a house which is nice, big and in the best part of Ashton under Lyne.

    Rightmove has currently three houses for sale for over £600k in Ashton and one of them hasn't even been built yet.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?searchLocation=Ashton-Under-Lyne,+Greater+Manchester&useLocationIdentifier=true&locationIdentifier=REGION^61&radius=0.0&minPrice=600000&_includeSSTC=on&index=0&sortType=2&channel=BUY&transactionType=BUY&displayLocationIdentifier=Ashton-Under-Lyne.html
    Only 6 of the last 10,500 properties sold in Ashton Under Lyme went for 650k or more, although I guess you’d expect Rayner to have one of the posher ones
    You've never been to Trashton have you?
    No!

    I’ve been to Stockport once, on a stag do. A notorious hotel I believe, name escapes me
  • eekeek Posts: 31,115

    eek said:

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Suggesting that she scammed her son's trust fund?
    Let's repeat my post from earlier

    If a surveyor used the comparators in that article to calculator fair price they wouldn't have a leg to stand on were they to be sued... A 3 bed semi definitely isn't a reasonable comparison to a 4 bed detached especially 1 adapted at vast expense to meet someone's particular needs.

    What you are then left with is the difficult question of how do you value a property especially adapted for the needs of someone who needs a property to be adapted. Which if £80,000 of adaptions would be required to your typical £550,000 home may make a £630,000 valuation reasonable under the circumstances...
    Specialist adaptations are likely to reduce the value to a third party

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they have just added £80k to the value on the grounds that’s what they spent (and perhaps used a value from the time of the divorce)
    Yes but we don't know the basis of the valuation - given the transaction type it doesn't need to be open market...
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,956
    edited September 4
    Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs?
    That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.

    There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.

    For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,168
    eek said:

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Suggesting that she scammed her son's trust fund?
    Let's repeat my post from earlier

    If a surveyor used the comparators in that article to calculator fair price they wouldn't have a leg to stand on were they to be sued... A 3 bed semi definitely isn't a reasonable comparison to a 4 bed detached especially 1 adapted at vast expense to meet someone's particular needs.

    What you are then left with is the difficult question of how do you value a property especially adapted for the needs of someone who needs a property to be adapted. Which if £80,000 of adaptions would be required to your typical £550,000 home may make a £630,000 valuation reasonable under the circumstances...
    Surely the adaptions only add value if there are other buyers with similar needs.

    If you added an aquarium room for your tropical fish and it cost £250k it doesn’t add £250k to the house value.

    Adaptions could theoretically reduce the value as any buyer might have to spend a lot to remove or reverse the adaptions.

    Swimming pools is another where it might cost a lot to put one in but rarely adds to the value and sometimes acts as negative.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,135

    Nadine was an ultra Boris loyalist.

    Would she have gone without a nod and a wink from him?

    Now that defection would be really interesting.....

    The one thing that Boris really cares about (apart from himself) is Ukraine.

    I very much doubt he would want to have anything to do with Farage on that basis alone.
    Agreed, but the former would trump the latter. Boris wins with Boris over Ukraine everytime and he would assume he could sort that later on anyway.

    If he were to defect (massive IF) he would stand a signicantly better chance of ending up PM again than if he remains in the doldrums on the holed below the water line HMS Tory.
    Ah, yes, but remember the two personalities. My impression is that there is little love between Nige and Boris. BJ won't be defecting. He far more likely sees himself as the potential saviour of the Tories.
  • trukattrukat Posts: 65
    eek said:

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Suggesting that she scammed her son's trust fund?
    Let's repeat my post from earlier

    If a surveyor used the comparators in that article to calculator fair price they wouldn't have a leg to stand on were they to be sued... A 3 bed semi definitely isn't a reasonable comparison to a 4 bed detached especially 1 adapted at vast expense to meet someone's particular needs.

    What you are then left with is the difficult question of how do you value a property especially adapted for the needs of someone who needs a property to be adapted. Which if £80,000 of adaptions would be required to your typical £550,000 home may make a £630,000 valuation reasonable under the circumstances...
    Not for a sale. it would need to be de modded for that. so is it to live in? cause the child already has use of the house no? or is it to avoid rent of the 25 percent of the house she was selling? How much is 25 percent of this house sold with a sitting tenant you can never evict cause he owns half the house worth? more or less than the standard valuation?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,330
    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    That's one thing I was curious about - £650k must get you a house which is nice, big and in the best part of Ashton under Lyne.

    Rightmove has currently three houses for sale for over £600k in Ashton and one of them hasn't even been built yet.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?searchLocation=Ashton-Under-Lyne,+Greater+Manchester&useLocationIdentifier=true&locationIdentifier=REGION^61&radius=0.0&minPrice=600000&_includeSSTC=on&index=0&sortType=2&channel=BUY&transactionType=BUY&displayLocationIdentifier=Ashton-Under-Lyne.html
    Only 6 of the last 10,500 properties sold in Ashton Under Lyme went for 650k or more, although I guess you’d expect Rayner to have one of the posher ones
    You've never been to Trashton have you?
    No!

    I’ve been to Stockport once, on a stag do. A notorious hotel I believe, name escapes me
    Travelodge?
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    That's one thing I was curious about - £650k must get you a house which is nice, big and in the best part of Ashton under Lyne.

    Rightmove has currently three houses for sale for over £600k in Ashton and one of them hasn't even been built yet.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?searchLocation=Ashton-Under-Lyne,+Greater+Manchester&useLocationIdentifier=true&locationIdentifier=REGION^61&radius=0.0&minPrice=600000&_includeSSTC=on&index=0&sortType=2&channel=BUY&transactionType=BUY&displayLocationIdentifier=Ashton-Under-Lyne.html
    Only 6 of the last 10,500 properties sold in Ashton Under Lyme went for 650k or more, although I guess you’d expect Rayner to have one of the posher ones
    You've never been to Trashton have you?
    No!

    I’ve been to Stockport once, on a stag do. A notorious hotel I believe, name escapes me
    The Britannia.

    About a decade ago it was the lowest ranked/dirtiest hotel on Tripadvisor.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,257
    edited September 4
    Is the first tweet turns out to be correct she will be f##led over lying / cover up / attempted deflection. So often it is that rather than the initial story that does for you.

    It quites different to go around saying I did everything proppa that my lawyers told me to do and they were wrong compared to i did everything proppa that my lawyers told me to do when the lawyers we said no such thing nor were we asked.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,368
    kinabalu said:


    Larry Sabato
    @LarrySabato
    ·
    2h
    I’ve watched 100s of congressional hearings over 55 years. Rarely if ever have I seen a witness so thoroughly destroyed as RFK Jr has been today.

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1963642629112881359

    Trouble is he doesn't care and nor does his boss.
    And as a result no one who matters in Congress cares either. So much for checks and balances.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,452
    edited September 4

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    That's one thing I was curious about - £650k must get you a house which is nice, big and in the best part of Ashton under Lyne.

    Rightmove has currently three houses for sale for over £600k in Ashton and one of them hasn't even been built yet.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?searchLocation=Ashton-Under-Lyne,+Greater+Manchester&useLocationIdentifier=true&locationIdentifier=REGION^61&radius=0.0&minPrice=600000&_includeSSTC=on&index=0&sortType=2&channel=BUY&transactionType=BUY&displayLocationIdentifier=Ashton-Under-Lyne.html
    Only 6 of the last 10,500 properties sold in Ashton Under Lyme went for 650k or more, although I guess you’d expect Rayner to have one of the posher ones
    You've never been to Trashton have you?
    No!

    I’ve been to Stockport once, on a stag do. A notorious hotel I believe, name escapes me
    Travelodge?

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    That's one thing I was curious about - £650k must get you a house which is nice, big and in the best part of Ashton under Lyne.

    Rightmove has currently three houses for sale for over £600k in Ashton and one of them hasn't even been built yet.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?searchLocation=Ashton-Under-Lyne,+Greater+Manchester&useLocationIdentifier=true&locationIdentifier=REGION^61&radius=0.0&minPrice=600000&_includeSSTC=on&index=0&sortType=2&channel=BUY&transactionType=BUY&displayLocationIdentifier=Ashton-Under-Lyne.html
    Only 6 of the last 10,500 properties sold in Ashton Under Lyme went for 650k or more, although I guess you’d expect Rayner to have one of the posher ones
    You've never been to Trashton have you?
    No!

    I’ve been to Stockport once, on a stag do. A notorious hotel I believe, name escapes me
    The Britannia.

    About a decade ago it was the lowest ranked/dirtiest hotel on Tripadvisor.
    Bredbury Hall
  • When I was good and innocent Muslim my first girllfriend told me she liked it rough, so I took her to Ashton.
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    That's one thing I was curious about - £650k must get you a house which is nice, big and in the best part of Ashton under Lyne.

    Rightmove has currently three houses for sale for over £600k in Ashton and one of them hasn't even been built yet.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?searchLocation=Ashton-Under-Lyne,+Greater+Manchester&useLocationIdentifier=true&locationIdentifier=REGION^61&radius=0.0&minPrice=600000&_includeSSTC=on&index=0&sortType=2&channel=BUY&transactionType=BUY&displayLocationIdentifier=Ashton-Under-Lyne.html
    The Manor House for 750k! I live in a 3 bed semi worth more than that. If I met a Northern lass I could be lord of the Manor
    Here was another Manor House for £525k:

    https://www.fineandcountry.co.uk/bawtry-estate-agents/property-sale/4-bedroom-detached-house-for-sale-in-dn10-6qz-south-yorkshire-doncaster-austerfield-high-street-the-manor-house/2667698

    Given that it was the home of William Bradford, leader of the Pilgrim Fathers, they should have been advertising it in Massachusetts and Connecticut rather than Doncaster and Retford.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,136
    edited September 4
    Why should anyone be surprised that Mad Nad Dorries has defected to Reform.... andceho cares?
  • eekeek Posts: 31,115
    boulay said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Suggesting that she scammed her son's trust fund?
    Let's repeat my post from earlier

    If a surveyor used the comparators in that article to calculator fair price they wouldn't have a leg to stand on were they to be sued... A 3 bed semi definitely isn't a reasonable comparison to a 4 bed detached especially 1 adapted at vast expense to meet someone's particular needs.

    What you are then left with is the difficult question of how do you value a property especially adapted for the needs of someone who needs a property to be adapted. Which if £80,000 of adaptions would be required to your typical £550,000 home may make a £630,000 valuation reasonable under the circumstances...
    Surely the adaptions only add value if there are other buyers with similar needs.

    If you added an aquarium room for your tropical fish and it cost £250k it doesn’t add £250k to the house value.

    Adaptions could theoretically reduce the value as any buyer might have to spend a lot to remove or reverse the adaptions.

    Swimming pools is another where it might cost a lot to put one in but rarely adds to the value and sometimes acts as negative.
    It's his trust buying the property he needs to live in. So do you compare to market value or do you compare to market value + the cost of fitting that other house to meet the person's needs.

    I can see reasons why the trust might value the property at a higher value than anyone else does and justifiable reasons for doing so because remember the trustees (lawyers being paid money to act as trustees) have to justify their decisions.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,330
    A stunning moon hanging low in a clear sky this evening.

    Sad to know that there is human detritus on the surface.
  • boulay said:

    Roger said:

    Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs?
    That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.

    There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.

    For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.

    When everyone was attacking Zahawi over his tax affairs was that misandry or maybe racism?

    Do you think maybe people just don’t like politicians who might have been stupid, especially ones who have spent years attacking opponents fiercely and demanding resignations non-stop for errors etc, regardless of sex or background.
    Roger is the living embodiment of "my side are good so can do no wrong, so criticising them is -ism".

    The OP literally quotes Angela attacking Tory politicians for something similar, but when she's held to account it must be misogyny, not politics.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,452
    Phone was hidden in Commons to play ‘sex noises’ during PMQs

    An investigation has begun into how the phone was planted near the front bench in a serious breach of parliamentary security

    The Times has been told that the phone was planted near the front bench and was intended to go off as Sir Keir Starmer faced Kemi Badenoch in the Commons. It was due to play a sexually explicit audio recording



    https://www.thetimes.com/article/bd68c8a8-3ee2-423c-941e-7a7d6724c7f0?shareToken=2b923f3c6807e62538dff9b1aa00591c
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,743
    Making an error over stamp duty is one thing.

    But the way she has responded has been disastrous and made the issue much worse. She'd have been best advised to shut up after admitting the initial error and referring herself to the Ethics Advisor. It's certainly what I'd have advised her to do.

    It does not surprise me that she's made a mess of her response because what is guaranteed, in my experience, is that senior people when they or their firms get into trouble and panic. Which is why you need people like me to keep a cool head. She may also feel under political pressure. But she has undoubtedly made her position worse by her response, even if the stamp duty mistake was a genuine error.
  • Roger said:

    Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs?
    That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.

    There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.

    For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.

    This is nothing to do with misogyny and all to do with Angela Rayner and her purchase of a flat in Hove

    Maybe you should read the statements from the solicitors involved before making comment
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,220
    Probably not on most people's radar with everything else going on but the delay of the Budget to November 26th has left horse racing's "strike" next Wednesday (the spectacle of horse race trainers and owners as well on London Underground tube drivers both on picket lines in Westminster is more than a little incongruous to this observer) looking ridiculous.

    The idea had been to promote racing's argument against the proposed harmonisation of betting duty and remote gaming duty in an early October bUdget but by the time the Budget actually happens, it will have been forgotten by most.

    I think racing should abandon next Wednesday's proposed "strike" in favour of a date closer to the Budget to gain greater political impact.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,804

    Is the first tweet turns out to be correct she will be f##led over lying / cover up / attempted deflection. So often it is that rather than the initial story that does for you.

    It quites different to go around saying I did everything proppa that my lawyers told me to do and they were wrong compared to i did everything proppa that my lawyers told me to do when the lawyers we said no such thing nor were we asked.

    If she made a mistake, I'd have had sympathy if she said: "My situation was more complex than I realised, and I made a mistake. I'll pay what is owed."

    It's a bit late for that now. Throwing mud at everyone else involved is only a good look if you're 100% blameless.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,260

    Roger said:

    Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs?
    That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.

    There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.

    For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.

    This is nothing to do with misogyny and all to do with Angela Rayner and her purchase of a flat in Hove

    Maybe you should read the statements from the solicitors involved before making comment
    How did the personal information, some about a vulnerable person, get into the hands of the Tories and/or their media? It's a very good question. And one that should concern you and all of us.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,321
    Nadine Dorries? Farage does seem to be losing his touch recently. His supporters won't want this to continue on a downwards curve for the next four years.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,142
    edited September 4
    Cookie said:

    Off thread: I've just had some promotional mail from Sainsbury's, titled:

    Cookie,
    We love that you love
    Loose Onions

    In which 'Loose Onions' is very much the 'Insert Text Here'.

    Is this how I am perceived by the world? Onions? I've railed for years against Big Everything Knowing Too Much, and it turns out this is hiw Big Everything sees me? A man who loves buying loose onions?

    I'd almost be less disappointed if it was intimate lube and Mars bars.

    Loose Onions sounds like he once lost a bout to Giant Haystacks.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,257
    edited September 4
    Carnyx said:

    Roger said:

    Does anyone know who gave the Telegraph information on Angela's tax affairs?
    That would surely be a more interesting inquiry into misogamy than yet another investigation into men trying to weedle their way into womens toilsts for a perversion that no one has ever come across.

    There are some sick rightwing journals and TV stations around at the moment that hate the idea of an uppity lefty woman with a bit of spirir. We've seen it with 'Rachel in accounts' and we're seeing it with 'Angela from Ashton'.

    For what it's worth I can't see who in her position would have done anything differently. She had no financial interest in her old house so would have just paid what her conveyancer had told her she owed.

    This is nothing to do with misogyny and all to do with Angela Rayner and her purchase of a flat in Hove

    Maybe you should read the statements from the solicitors involved before making comment
    How did the personal information, some about a vulnerable person, get into the hands of the Tories and/or their media? It's a very good question. And one that should concern you and all of us.
    It not being leaked to the Tories. I know they are rubbish, but they seem very mich to finding out the same time as the rest of us, otherwise there were obvious questions they could have setup.

    It seems the Telegraph and the Guardian are getting tipped off. And who ever is doing it knows a hell of a lot of different pieces of the jigsaw about Rayners life.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,747
    eek said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Suggesting that she scammed her son's trust fund?
    Let's repeat my post from earlier

    If a surveyor used the comparators in that article to calculator fair price they wouldn't have a leg to stand on were they to be sued... A 3 bed semi definitely isn't a reasonable comparison to a 4 bed detached especially 1 adapted at vast expense to meet someone's particular needs.

    What you are then left with is the difficult question of how do you value a property especially adapted for the needs of someone who needs a property to be adapted. Which if £80,000 of adaptions would be required to your typical £550,000 home may make a £630,000 valuation reasonable under the circumstances...
    Specialist adaptations are likely to reduce the value to a third party

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they have just added £80k to the value on the grounds that’s what they spent (and perhaps used a value from the time of the divorce)
    Yes but we don't know the basis of the valuation - given the transaction type it doesn't need to be open market...
    Sure. I assume they had an estate agent valuation in 2023 and based on her use of low cost lawyers assume she just used that rather than redoing & then added the cost of the renovations. Totally reasonable thought process for a non specialist
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,934
    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    That's one thing I was curious about - £650k must get you a house which is nice, big and in the best part of Ashton under Lyne.

    Rightmove has currently three houses for sale for over £600k in Ashton and one of them hasn't even been built yet.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?searchLocation=Ashton-Under-Lyne,+Greater+Manchester&useLocationIdentifier=true&locationIdentifier=REGION^61&radius=0.0&minPrice=600000&_includeSSTC=on&index=0&sortType=2&channel=BUY&transactionType=BUY&displayLocationIdentifier=Ashton-Under-Lyne.html
    Only 6 of the last 10,500 properties sold in Ashton Under Lyme went for 650k or more, although I guess you’d expect Rayner to have one of the posher ones
    You've never been to Trashton have you?
    No!

    I’ve been to Stockport once, on a stag do. A notorious hotel I believe, name escapes me
    Travelodge?

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    That's one thing I was curious about - £650k must get you a house which is nice, big and in the best part of Ashton under Lyne.

    Rightmove has currently three houses for sale for over £600k in Ashton and one of them hasn't even been built yet.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?searchLocation=Ashton-Under-Lyne,+Greater+Manchester&useLocationIdentifier=true&locationIdentifier=REGION^61&radius=0.0&minPrice=600000&_includeSSTC=on&index=0&sortType=2&channel=BUY&transactionType=BUY&displayLocationIdentifier=Ashton-Under-Lyne.html
    Only 6 of the last 10,500 properties sold in Ashton Under Lyme went for 650k or more, although I guess you’d expect Rayner to have one of the posher ones
    You've never been to Trashton have you?
    No!

    I’ve been to Stockport once, on a stag do. A notorious hotel I believe, name escapes me
    The Britannia.

    About a decade ago it was the lowest ranked/dirtiest hotel on Tripadvisor.
    Bredbury Hall
    Stockport's ace. Justifiably fashionable nowadays. Still a little rough around the edges in places, but light years better than it was in the 90s.

    Ashton would like to be the next Stockport. I wouldn't say it's impossible - it's cheap and close to Manchester, which is how Stockport's renaissance started - but it has a long way to go. It always feels desperately sad and rainy, and though it may uave been handsome once now seems to be full of angry ring roads driven through the remains of the town at unsympathetic angles.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,260
    edited September 4

    eek said:

    isam said:

    💸 Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

    Read more 👇


    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Suggesting that she scammed her son's trust fund?
    Let's repeat my post from earlier

    If a surveyor used the comparators in that article to calculator fair price they wouldn't have a leg to stand on were they to be sued... A 3 bed semi definitely isn't a reasonable comparison to a 4 bed detached especially 1 adapted at vast expense to meet someone's particular needs.

    What you are then left with is the difficult question of how do you value a property especially adapted for the needs of someone who needs a property to be adapted. Which if £80,000 of adaptions would be required to your typical £550,000 home may make a £630,000 valuation reasonable under the circumstances...
    Specialist adaptations are likely to reduce the value to a third party

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they have just added £80k to the value on the grounds that’s what they spent (and perhaps used a value from the time of the divorce)
    But the value to the beneficiary of the trust fund is what counts here.

    Edit: already sorted by @eek .
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,804

    A stunning moon hanging low in a clear sky this evening.

    Sad to know that there is human detritus on the surface.

    I think it's wonderful. A sign of what humanity can achieve if we put our minds to it.
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