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  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,081
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    The crises at OFSTED continue to mount, as inspectors threaten to walk out over the rushed training regime for the new inspection system which is being implemented earlier than planned (and for which training they will not be paid).

    https://schoolsweek.co.uk/inspectors-criticise-ofsteds-ridiculous-training-regime/

    You have to feel sorry for Sir Martyn Oliver. None of this is his fault. He inherited a fundamentally broken system from a predecessor who was outrageously stupid and arrogant, at the same moment as a political change meant he was forced to push things along faster than he would like.

    The greatest irony of all is that of course he was one of Spielman's fiercest critics - yet he will get blamed for the fallout from her mess if OFSTED implodes in the coming year.

    Are Ofsted inspectors employees or contractors?
    @Northern_Al would probably be in a better position to answer but AIUI HMIs (i.e. senior inspectors) are employed by OFSTED while the rest of them are essentially headteachers and deputy headteachers who do it in their spare time, so contractors.

    And they are very fucking furious right now about everything.

    ydoethur said:

    The crises at OFSTED continue to mount, as inspectors threaten to walk out over the rushed training regime for the new inspection system which is being implemented earlier than planned (and for which training they will not be paid).

    https://schoolsweek.co.uk/inspectors-criticise-ofsteds-ridiculous-training-regime/

    You have to feel sorry for Sir Martyn Oliver. None of this is his fault. He inherited a fundamentally broken system from a predecessor who was outrageously stupid and arrogant, at the same moment as a political change meant he was forced to push things along faster than he would like.

    The greatest irony of all is that of course he was one of Spielman's fiercest critics - yet he will get blamed for the fallout from her mess if OFSTED implodes in the coming year.

    If he fails as miserably as Spielman, does he become a Conservative peer too?
    He can't, so he won't. Even if OFSTED actually collapses - and from here that looks a serious possibility - it will be her failure, not his, even if he is blamed.
    If you are a contractor, you pay for your own training.

    If this makes your business unviable, you just don't do it.

    If this makes Ofsted unviable, don't whine about it just let it go tits up.

    This sounds like a load of heads and deputy heads who think they are guaranteed some extra bunce.
    Er - 27.5 hours? In term time? For which they would either have to fit it around a more than full time job or take unpaid leave? (Again, AIUI their schools are paid when they are out on inspections.)

    I am a contractor. If you want me to do more than one hour of training for any given job, I am sending you a bill. For 27.5 hours (three solid days' work) I am sending you a very large bill.

    The point is - and here I think you are overlooking the issue - if OFSTED goes tits up, well, in some ways probably good riddance. But its statutory duties will not disappear. Who discharges them? And how?
    27.5 hours is four Saturdays. Suck it up.
    The retired ones may well do so.

    The serving ones may not actually have the time to do it at the weekends, given the deadlines, especially at the start of term when things are frantic anyway.

    Again, though, my question - who discharges the necessary functions (and with all its faults they are necessary functions) of OFSTED if it implodes?
    In any case, why learn some procedure for free if it might only get needed once, if Ofsted goes all supine later this year?
    In which case, just don't do it. This seems to be a problem though.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,898

    TimS said:

    Zia Yusuf

    @ZiaYusufUK


    Quick reminder to all contractors:

    a Reform government will immediately ABOLISH the moronic IR35 rules.

    We will clear all the obstacles to allow you to increase your earnings and grow our British economy! 🇬🇧

    Good, it was imposed by the last Labour government and persisted, to their discredit, through 14 years of nominally 'conservative' rule.
    I hope Reform have factored in the revenue losses from income tax as a result.

    There’s a reason IR35 was introduced. People who were actually employees pretending to be self employed. They’re still at it.
    Merge National Insurance and Income Tax, get rid of things like Employers NICs that encourage employers to shift people off books and there'd be no reason to have IR35 or any of that other bullshit. Those perversions are created by taxing people inconsistently, meaning they'll seek to have their finances arranged optimally which is rational behaviour within an irrational system.
    Absolutely agree, and I’ll be using the coming 2 months to argue the case for this sort of realignment.

    The tricky one is CGT vs income tax. There are some strong arguments to treat them differently, but some quite compelling reasons not to.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,981

    Question of @ydoethur or any other cricket fans who might know. Why are Hampshirevplaying their quarter final away tomorrow despite finishing second in the group. Seems odd. Clash with the hundred?

    The Rose Bowl is being used by the Southern Brave in The Hundred tomorrow.
    Yep - I’ve just seen a message from the club.

    Frankly it’s a fucking disgrace that Hampshire are forced to concede home advantage in this way. Fuck the ECB. Fuck the Hundred. Fuck em all.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 159

    DoctorG said:

    Taz said:

    Grimsby lead Manchester United.

    Two soccer goals to zero heading into the break,

    ‘But at least we’re not Rangers’
    Does anyone know if Rangers get another 4 men sent off, if the game has to be abandoned due to lack of players are Brugge awarded a default 3-0 win? A chance to save face for Russell Martin
    Do European red cards carry on to league match suspensions? Old Firm match on Sunday which are the ones the fans really care about. Barry Ferguson may be in charge by then so Rangers will need all the squad they can get.

    More chance of Bazza pulling on the shirt on Sunday than Igamane
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,460

    Question of @ydoethur or any other cricket fans who might know. Why are Hampshirevplaying their quarter final away tomorrow despite finishing second in the group. Seems odd. Clash with the hundred?

    The Rose Bowl is being used by the Southern Brave in The Hundred tomorrow.
    Yep - I’ve just seen a message from the club.

    Frankly it’s a fucking disgrace that Hampshire are forced to concede home advantage in this way. Fuck the ECB. Fuck the Hundred. Fuck em all.
    PB has a lot of cricket fans and I think only one of us have ever said anything positive about The Hundred in four years.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,730
    The new director of the CDC didn't last a month
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,460
    200M spent on forwards, and lumping it up to Maguire is still Man Utd's most dangerous tactic.

    https://x.com/paddypower/status/1960806119850565798
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,981
    I’m calling it - that’s Amorim’s Mark Robins moment right there. 10 year reign of glory incoming…
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,460
    Another attack on us hardworking landlords.

    Landlords could face national insurance on rental income in budget

    The Treasury is considering a plan to apply contributions on the ‘unearned income’ as Rachel Reeves addresses a £40bn hole in public finances


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/landlords-national-insurance-tax-rental-income-xr085xd6s
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,131

    Another attack on us hardworking landlords.

    Landlords could face national insurance on rental income in budget

    The Treasury is considering a plan to apply contributions on the ‘unearned income’ as Rachel Reeves addresses a £40bn hole in public finances


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/landlords-national-insurance-tax-rental-income-xr085xd6s

    Nice payday for accountants.
  • Question of @ydoethur or any other cricket fans who might know. Why are Hampshirevplaying their quarter final away tomorrow despite finishing second in the group. Seems odd. Clash with the hundred?

    The Rose Bowl is being used by the Southern Brave in The Hundred tomorrow.
    Yep - I’ve just seen a message from the club.

    Frankly it’s a fucking disgrace that Hampshire are forced to concede home advantage in this way. Fuck the ECB. Fuck the Hundred. Fuck em all.
    PB has a lot of cricket fans and I think only one of us have ever said anything positive about The Hundred in four years.
    I trust he was flagged.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,730
    ...
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,340

    I’m calling it - that’s Amorim’s Mark Robins moment right there. 10 year reign of glory incoming…

    Adrian Heath at Oxford.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,460

    Question of @ydoethur or any other cricket fans who might know. Why are Hampshirevplaying their quarter final away tomorrow despite finishing second in the group. Seems odd. Clash with the hundred?

    The Rose Bowl is being used by the Southern Brave in The Hundred tomorrow.
    Yep - I’ve just seen a message from the club.

    Frankly it’s a fucking disgrace that Hampshire are forced to concede home advantage in this way. Fuck the ECB. Fuck the Hundred. Fuck em all.
    PB has a lot of cricket fans and I think only one of us have ever said anything positive about The Hundred in four years.
    I trust he was flagged.
    The requests for the use of the banhammer was overwhelming.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,131
    edited August 27

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    The crises at OFSTED continue to mount, as inspectors threaten to walk out over the rushed training regime for the new inspection system which is being implemented earlier than planned (and for which training they will not be paid).

    https://schoolsweek.co.uk/inspectors-criticise-ofsteds-ridiculous-training-regime/

    You have to feel sorry for Sir Martyn Oliver. None of this is his fault. He inherited a fundamentally broken system from a predecessor who was outrageously stupid and arrogant, at the same moment as a political change meant he was forced to push things along faster than he would like.

    The greatest irony of all is that of course he was one of Spielman's fiercest critics - yet he will get blamed for the fallout from her mess if OFSTED implodes in the coming year.

    Are Ofsted inspectors employees or contractors?
    @Northern_Al would probably be in a better position to answer but AIUI HMIs (i.e. senior inspectors) are employed by OFSTED while the rest of them are essentially headteachers and deputy headteachers who do it in their spare time, so contractors.

    And they are very fucking furious right now about everything.

    ydoethur said:

    The crises at OFSTED continue to mount, as inspectors threaten to walk out over the rushed training regime for the new inspection system which is being implemented earlier than planned (and for which training they will not be paid).

    https://schoolsweek.co.uk/inspectors-criticise-ofsteds-ridiculous-training-regime/

    You have to feel sorry for Sir Martyn Oliver. None of this is his fault. He inherited a fundamentally broken system from a predecessor who was outrageously stupid and arrogant, at the same moment as a political change meant he was forced to push things along faster than he would like.

    The greatest irony of all is that of course he was one of Spielman's fiercest critics - yet he will get blamed for the fallout from her mess if OFSTED implodes in the coming year.

    If he fails as miserably as Spielman, does he become a Conservative peer too?
    He can't, so he won't. Even if OFSTED actually collapses - and from here that looks a serious possibility - it will be her failure, not his, even if he is blamed.
    If you are a contractor, you pay for your own training.

    If this makes your business unviable, you just don't do it.

    If this makes Ofsted unviable, don't whine about it just let it go tits up.

    This sounds like a load of heads and deputy heads who think they are guaranteed some extra bunce.
    Er - 27.5 hours? In term time? For which they would either have to fit it around a more than full time job or take unpaid leave? (Again, AIUI their schools are paid when they are out on inspections.)

    I am a contractor. If you want me to do more than one hour of training for any given job, I am sending you a bill. For 27.5 hours (three solid days' work) I am sending you a very large bill.

    The point is - and here I think you are overlooking the issue - if OFSTED goes tits up, well, in some ways probably good riddance. But its statutory duties will not disappear. Who discharges them? And how?
    27.5 hours is four Saturdays. Suck it up.
    The retired ones may well do so.

    The serving ones may not actually have the time to do it at the weekends, given the deadlines, especially at the start of term when things are frantic anyway.

    Again, though, my question - who discharges the necessary functions (and with all its faults they are necessary functions) of OFSTED if it implodes?
    In any case, why learn some procedure for free if it might only get needed once, if Ofsted goes all supine later this year?
    In which case, just don't do it. This seems to be a problem though.
    I think a lot of them will probably be glad of an excuse to quit, from what I've seen. I don't think there would be quite so much resentment around this extra training if they weren't all absolutely livid with OFSTED as it is.

    But again - that's probably not a great thing if it means OFSTED can't function. I've worked in a school that needed an OFSTED inspection because of major safeguarding issues that the board and for the matter of that the local safeguarding board were wilfully blind to, and it wasn't until OFSTED went in last year (long after I had stormed out along with half the other SLT) that things were finally sorted out and the persons concerned were brought to book.

    Edit - yes, I'm OFSTED's fiercest critic, but I've never denied their importance or the positive impact they can have when properly managed. Also now the school in question has gone through some major changes as a result I can speak a bit more freely.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,541

    Another attack on us hardworking landlords.

    Landlords could face national insurance on rental income in budget

    The Treasury is considering a plan to apply contributions on the ‘unearned income’ as Rachel Reeves addresses a £40bn hole in public finances


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/landlords-national-insurance-tax-rental-income-xr085xd6s

    Yet another kite goes up in the air.

    Wont happen.

    Landlords would just slap the NI onto rents.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,131

    Another attack on us hardworking landlords.

    Landlords could face national insurance on rental income in budget

    The Treasury is considering a plan to apply contributions on the ‘unearned income’ as Rachel Reeves addresses a £40bn hole in public finances


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/landlords-national-insurance-tax-rental-income-xr085xd6s

    Yet another kite goes up in the air.

    Wont happen.

    Landlords would just slap the NI onto rents.

    Another attack on us hardworking landlords.

    Landlords could face national insurance on rental income in budget

    The Treasury is considering a plan to apply contributions on the ‘unearned income’ as Rachel Reeves addresses a £40bn hole in public finances


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/landlords-national-insurance-tax-rental-income-xr085xd6s

    Yet another kite goes up in the air.

    Wont happen.

    Landlords would just slap the NI onto rents.

    A sane budget would of course abolish NI and instead split the tax between higher income tax and higher corporation tax.

    I'll believe that will happen when I see a pig flying over Cannock Chase.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,981
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    The crises at OFSTED continue to mount, as inspectors threaten to walk out over the rushed training regime for the new inspection system which is being implemented earlier than planned (and for which training they will not be paid).

    https://schoolsweek.co.uk/inspectors-criticise-ofsteds-ridiculous-training-regime/

    You have to feel sorry for Sir Martyn Oliver. None of this is his fault. He inherited a fundamentally broken system from a predecessor who was outrageously stupid and arrogant, at the same moment as a political change meant he was forced to push things along faster than he would like.

    The greatest irony of all is that of course he was one of Spielman's fiercest critics - yet he will get blamed for the fallout from her mess if OFSTED implodes in the coming year.

    Are Ofsted inspectors employees or contractors?
    @Northern_Al would probably be in a better position to answer but AIUI HMIs (i.e. senior inspectors) are employed by OFSTED while the rest of them are essentially headteachers and deputy headteachers who do it in their spare time, so contractors.

    And they are very fucking furious right now about everything.

    ydoethur said:

    The crises at OFSTED continue to mount, as inspectors threaten to walk out over the rushed training regime for the new inspection system which is being implemented earlier than planned (and for which training they will not be paid).

    https://schoolsweek.co.uk/inspectors-criticise-ofsteds-ridiculous-training-regime/

    You have to feel sorry for Sir Martyn Oliver. None of this is his fault. He inherited a fundamentally broken system from a predecessor who was outrageously stupid and arrogant, at the same moment as a political change meant he was forced to push things along faster than he would like.

    The greatest irony of all is that of course he was one of Spielman's fiercest critics - yet he will get blamed for the fallout from her mess if OFSTED implodes in the coming year.

    If he fails as miserably as Spielman, does he become a Conservative peer too?
    He can't, so he won't. Even if OFSTED actually collapses - and from here that looks a serious possibility - it will be her failure, not his, even if he is blamed.
    If you are a contractor, you pay for your own training.

    If this makes your business unviable, you just don't do it.

    If this makes Ofsted unviable, don't whine about it just let it go tits up.

    This sounds like a load of heads and deputy heads who think they are guaranteed some extra bunce.
    Er - 27.5 hours? In term time? For which they would either have to fit it around a more than full time job or take unpaid leave? (Again, AIUI their schools are paid when they are out on inspections.)

    I am a contractor. If you want me to do more than one hour of training for any given job, I am sending you a bill. For 27.5 hours (three solid days' work) I am sending you a very large bill.

    The point is - and here I think you are overlooking the issue - if OFSTED goes tits up, well, in some ways probably good riddance. But its statutory duties will not disappear. Who discharges them? And how?
    27.5 hours is four Saturdays. Suck it up.
    The retired ones may well do so.

    The serving ones may not actually have the time to do it at the weekends, given the deadlines, especially at the start of term when things are frantic anyway.

    Again, though, my question - who discharges the necessary functions (and with all its faults they are necessary functions) of OFSTED if it implodes?
    In any case, why learn some procedure for free if it might only get needed once, if Ofsted goes all supine later this year?
    In which case, just don't do it. This seems to be a problem though.
    I think a lot of them will probably be glad of an excuse to quit, from what I've seen. I don't think there would be quite so much resentment around this extra training if they weren't all absolutely livid with OFSTED as it is.

    But again - that's probably not a great thing if it means OFSTED can't function. I've worked in a school that needed an OFSTED inspection because of major safeguarding issues that the board and for the matter of that the local safeguarding board were wilfully blind to, and it wasn't until OFSTED went in last year (long after I had stormed out along with half the other SLT) that things were finally sorted out and the persons concerned were brought to book.

    Edit - yes, I'm OFSTED's fiercest critic, but I've never denied their importance or the positive impact they can have when properly managed. Also now the school in question has gone through some major changes as a result I can speak a bit more freely.
    Having someone from ‘outside’ tell you how to do your job can be challenging, especially when you are doing an excellent job and think the views from outside are partly ideology driven.
    Pharmacy schools are acredited by the GPHC. Bath had a really tough one in 2013, driven by a couple of things. The course wasn’t seen as integrated, despite students saying how well it came together by the end. And the assessment strategy wasn’t clearly enough defined for the panels liking.

    Now my problem with this is that our students were coming top in the GPHCs own assessment, the pre-reg exam. So our teaching and end product was fine, just the GPHC didn’t like how we got there.

    As a result we rewrite our entire curriculum. Not because our students were failing but because the regulator didn’t like our way of doing it.

    It still rankles to this day.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,716

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    The crises at OFSTED continue to mount, as inspectors threaten to walk out over the rushed training regime for the new inspection system which is being implemented earlier than planned (and for which training they will not be paid).

    https://schoolsweek.co.uk/inspectors-criticise-ofsteds-ridiculous-training-regime/

    You have to feel sorry for Sir Martyn Oliver. None of this is his fault. He inherited a fundamentally broken system from a predecessor who was outrageously stupid and arrogant, at the same moment as a political change meant he was forced to push things along faster than he would like.

    The greatest irony of all is that of course he was one of Spielman's fiercest critics - yet he will get blamed for the fallout from her mess if OFSTED implodes in the coming year.

    Are Ofsted inspectors employees or contractors?
    @Northern_Al would probably be in a better position to answer but AIUI HMIs (i.e. senior inspectors) are employed by OFSTED while the rest of them are essentially headteachers and deputy headteachers who do it in their spare time, so contractors.

    And they are very fucking furious right now about everything.

    ydoethur said:

    The crises at OFSTED continue to mount, as inspectors threaten to walk out over the rushed training regime for the new inspection system which is being implemented earlier than planned (and for which training they will not be paid).

    https://schoolsweek.co.uk/inspectors-criticise-ofsteds-ridiculous-training-regime/

    You have to feel sorry for Sir Martyn Oliver. None of this is his fault. He inherited a fundamentally broken system from a predecessor who was outrageously stupid and arrogant, at the same moment as a political change meant he was forced to push things along faster than he would like.

    The greatest irony of all is that of course he was one of Spielman's fiercest critics - yet he will get blamed for the fallout from her mess if OFSTED implodes in the coming year.

    If he fails as miserably as Spielman, does he become a Conservative peer too?
    He can't, so he won't. Even if OFSTED actually collapses - and from here that looks a serious possibility - it will be her failure, not his, even if he is blamed.
    If you are a contractor, you pay for your own training.

    If this makes your business unviable, you just don't do it.

    If this makes Ofsted unviable, don't whine about it just let it go tits up.

    This sounds like a load of heads and deputy heads who think they are guaranteed some extra bunce.
    Er - 27.5 hours? In term time? For which they would either have to fit it around a more than full time job or take unpaid leave? (Again, AIUI their schools are paid when they are out on inspections.)

    I am a contractor. If you want me to do more than one hour of training for any given job, I am sending you a bill. For 27.5 hours (three solid days' work) I am sending you a very large bill.

    The point is - and here I think you are overlooking the issue - if OFSTED goes tits up, well, in some ways probably good riddance. But its statutory duties will not disappear. Who discharges them? And how?
    27.5 hours is four Saturdays. Suck it up.
    The retired ones may well do so.

    The serving ones may not actually have the time to do it at the weekends, given the deadlines, especially at the start of term when things are frantic anyway.

    Again, though, my question - who discharges the necessary functions (and with all its faults they are necessary functions) of OFSTED if it implodes?
    As a contractor, why do you give a flying fuck?
    Could you expand on that please?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,857
    I like Keanu and love Das Boot (the film), but surely this abomination is AI bullshit?

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=122258127926021854&set=a.122128161110021854&type=3
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,808
    Here is a good video about Russian gunpowder factories going up in smoke - well, spectacular explosions, really - which could be as decisive for the war as the oil refineries, but gets less publicity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsGv273oNqQ

    The Ukrainians really are doing some amazing stuff, setting the Russians back years. Glorious work.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,078
    edited August 27

    I like Keanu and love Das Boot (the film), but surely this abomination is AI bullshit?

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=122258127926021854&set=a.122128161110021854&type=3

    So the Yanks get to sink the Ark, Royal Oak, Pedestal convoy, etc. etc.?

    Mind, just been reading Rodgers' third and final history of the RN. Given what King and some - but not all, not by a long shot - USN officers thought of the RN (even if it was not as bad as what they thought of the US Army and especially Macarthur), it would be an easy mistake for an AI.

    Edit: hydroplanes on the sail!? Must be the German fortress in the Arctic, sorry Antarctic.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,828
    I'm just reading a little about President Hoover (in The American Political Tradition by Richard Hofstadter) and it includes this amazing detail about his work with the Commission for Relief in Belgium during WWI:

    "For four years.. Hoover's commission fed ten million people. The task was accomplished with astonishing efficiency, and when the commission's accounts were tallied at the close of operations its overhead was found to be only three eighths of one per cent of total expenditures.."

    Sounds like he was spectacularly ill-suited to be President though. I don't know why I find it so surprising that he should have been successful at many things prior to becoming President, but I am.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,513
    Grimsby!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,460
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,721
    dixiedean said:

    Grimsby!!

    Well that was fun!

    Feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,981
    In 1989 Swindon played Bolton four times in the league cup (one tie and then three replays needed).
    Gotta be better than this farce…
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,534
    dixiedean said:

    Grimsby!!

    Deserved
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,811

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    As a United fan can I endorse your post?

    An 18-minute penalty shootout to bin us out against League Two Grimsby Town.

    I know the club is broken at a fundamental level. But whatever problems we have - and they are endless - the answer is not Ruben Amorim.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,880

    Question of @ydoethur or any other cricket fans who might know. Why are Hampshirevplaying their quarter final away tomorrow despite finishing second in the group. Seems odd. Clash with the hundred?

    The Rose Bowl is being used by the Southern Brave in The Hundred tomorrow.
    Yep - I’ve just seen a message from the club.

    Frankly it’s a fucking disgrace that Hampshire are forced to concede home advantage in this way. Fuck the ECB. Fuck the Hundred. Fuck em all.
    PB has a lot of cricket fans and I think only one of us have ever said anything positive about The Hundred in four years.
    I trust he was flagged.
    The requests for the use of the banhammer was overwhelming.
    Was that me? I said I quite liked that the teams are sponsored by crisps.
    Apart from that, it's an abomination. And a double tragedy as the T20 is such a wonderful format.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,460
    Cookie said:

    Question of @ydoethur or any other cricket fans who might know. Why are Hampshirevplaying their quarter final away tomorrow despite finishing second in the group. Seems odd. Clash with the hundred?

    The Rose Bowl is being used by the Southern Brave in The Hundred tomorrow.
    Yep - I’ve just seen a message from the club.

    Frankly it’s a fucking disgrace that Hampshire are forced to concede home advantage in this way. Fuck the ECB. Fuck the Hundred. Fuck em all.
    PB has a lot of cricket fans and I think only one of us have ever said anything positive about The Hundred in four years.
    I trust he was flagged.
    The requests for the use of the banhammer was overwhelming.
    Was that me? I said I quite liked that the teams are sponsored by crisps.
    Apart from that, it's an abomination. And a double tragedy as the T20 is such a wonderful format.
    No, it was Andy_JS.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,017
    It's an omen, obviously. Grimsby, Reform and Brexit land, beat Manchester, Labour and Remain land.
    Mind you, 24-23 was close.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,012
    Never seen such a pathetic display from a manager as Amorin in that shootout tbh
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,811
    Pulpstar said:

    Never seen such a pathetic display from a manager as Amorin in that shootout tbh

    Yeah. Going all the way through the team and starting a 2nd set of penalties - against GRIMSBY - is bad enough. But Amorim? Come on, man up man!
  • I'm just reading a little about President Hoover (in The American Political Tradition by Richard Hofstadter) and it includes this amazing detail about his work with the Commission for Relief in Belgium during WWI:

    "For four years.. Hoover's commission fed ten million people. The task was accomplished with astonishing efficiency, and when the commission's accounts were tallied at the close of operations its overhead was found to be only three eighths of one per cent of total expenditures.."

    Sounds like he was spectacularly ill-suited to be President though. I don't know why I find it so surprising that he should have been successful at many things prior to becoming President, but I am.

    There are still streets and squares in little Belgian towns named after him.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,721
    Leon said:

    In other news I just has Wiener schnitzel in graz’s most famous restaurant which is inside a magnificent Renaissance courtyard in the UNESCO listed core of beautiful central Graz

    I figured it would be the platonic ideal of Wiener schnitzels and I might finally like it

    Nope. It’s still just a chunk of dull thin breaded veal

    Is this the most boring national dish in the world?

    The national dish of Equatorial Guinea is succotash. Beans, corn, vegetables.

    Hardly surprising everybody eats pizza.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,730
    Dr. Susan Monarez, who was sworn in as director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on July 31, is being ousted, according to three sources familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition that they not be named because they were not authorized to share the information.

    Her departure leaves the agency leaderless at a perilous time. Morale, which was already low after deep staff cuts this spring, plummeted after a gunman opened fire on the agency’s main campus in Atlanta on August 8, pocking the buildings with hundreds of bullet holes and killing DeKalb County police officer David Rose.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/27/health/cdc-director-monarez
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,721

    stodge said:

    Omnium said:

    stodge said:

    Omnium said:

    His and the LDs lumbering oafishness is one of the untold great political stories.

    Clegg is partly to blame, having crashed the car and run off from the scene, but the main blame is on the UK public. Talk about a bad break up!

    You’ll forgive me if I don’t take your analysis too seriously. As a Conservative, it must still annoy you lost 250 seats in July 2024 and the result for your party in terms of seats and vote share was the worst since 1832.

    Even now you’re in a statistical tie with the LDs for third place with YouGov having lost a quarter or more of those who did vote Conservative in 2024.

    In the local by elections in the once solid heartland of Surrey last week, the Conservatives lost seats to both Reform and the “lumbering oafishness” of the Liberal Democrats with vote shares down a third to a half from 2021.
    It does annoy, you're quite right.

    I am, or more accurately was, a lifelong Tory.

    I think you can judge my political views most accurately if I say that I'd have voted coalition rather than Tory in 2015.

    As such I would really quite like to have a possible vote that was an alternative to my longstanding Tory one. There should be a degree of comfort for that with the LDs. There's not though, and it's been a while since that was true.
    I sympathise to an extent.

    The brief philosophical convergence of Cameron’s “liberal conservatism” and the Orange Bookers made the Coalition possible but the political cost of the arrangement killed off the Liberal Democrats as William Hague correctly surmised in the aftermath of the 2010 GE.

    There are many in both parties who enjoyed the old adversarial relationship and preferred that to what could have been a political realignment. The emergence of “Europe” as an issue further fractured a relationship which had become strained by 2012-13. It didn’t help Conservative activists started working Liberal Democrats seats hard and that work paid dividends for the Conservatives in 2015 though that victory turned out to be the epitome of a poisoned chalice.

    Could Cameron and Clegg have sold Coalition 2.0 to their parties and on what basis? Running as Coalition candidates would have smacked of the 1918 Coupon election - had the two leaders tried, would one or both parties have split?

    It’s easy for me to see 2024 as revenge for 2015 but the party won seats last year it never got close to between 1997 and 2010 - Chichester being a good example, Surrey Heath another. Such gains would not have been possible but for thousands of disillusioned Conservatives feeling comfortable enough to vote Liberal Democrat or staying home relaxed about a possible Liberal Democrat win.

    Perhaps the relevant question for you is where has your old Conservative Party gone and why did it choose to abandon ground on which it had enjoyed electoral success over decades to chase a populist chimera?

    "The emergence of “Europe” as an issue further fractured a relationship which had become strained by 2012-13."

    Except it was the elephant in the room in 2010. The LibDems made it a condition of Coalition that "though shalt not" discuss European membership. A referendum in 2011 supported by Cameron and Clegg would have locked us into ever closer union - eternally. Silencing the matter allowed Farage to run with it, then Boris to see it as a way to the Top Job.

    Epic failure by the LibDems - that ultimately gave us Brexit.
    Blaming the Lib Dems for Brexit seems a bit ... harsh?
    Accurate though.

    And consequently, very funny.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,534

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    As a United fan can I endorse your post?

    An 18-minute penalty shootout to bin us out against League Two Grimsby Town.

    I know the club is broken at a fundamental level. But whatever problems we have - and they are endless - the answer is not Ruben Amorim.
    Agreed - Amorin and Onana and a few others are not upto the job though they have signed good attacking players

    Amorin spent the Fulham match with his head in his hands

    Time to move on
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,513

    I’m calling it - that’s Amorim’s Mark Robins moment right there. 10 year reign of glory incoming…

    Didn't age very well.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,828

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    As a United fan can I endorse your post?

    An 18-minute penalty shootout to bin us out against League Two Grimsby Town.

    I know the club is broken at a fundamental level. But whatever problems we have - and they are endless - the answer is not Ruben Amorim.
    It literally doesn't matter who the manager is at Man Utd for at least the next five years. No manager can fix the club. It can't be fixed until the Glazers are gone.

    My movers were a pair of Liverpool fans, and the most cutting things they said to me were, "sorry for your troubles," and, "can understand turning to cricket when your football is so bad."
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,126

    Question of @ydoethur or any other cricket fans who might know. Why are Hampshirevplaying their quarter final away tomorrow despite finishing second in the group. Seems odd. Clash with the hundred?

    The Rose Bowl is being used by the Southern Brave in The Hundred tomorrow.
    Yep - I’ve just seen a message from the club.

    Frankly it’s a fucking disgrace that Hampshire are forced to concede home advantage in this way. Fuck the ECB. Fuck the Hundred. Fuck em all.
    PB has a lot of cricket fans and I think only one of us have ever said anything positive about The Hundred in four years.
    I changed my mind about it this year.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,460
    Tommy Robinson has joined Ben Habib’s Advance Uk…

    https://x.com/christiancalgie/status/1960815096260616683
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,012
    One other thing, for such a hyped attacking player found it a bit odd that Sisko took the 10th penalty !
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,549

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    As a United fan can I endorse your post?

    An 18-minute penalty shootout to bin us out against League Two Grimsby Town.

    I know the club is broken at a fundamental level. But whatever problems we have - and they are endless - the answer is not Ruben Amorim.
    It literally doesn't matter who the manager is at Man Utd for at least the next five years. No manager can fix the club. It can't be fixed until the Glazers are gone.

    My movers were a pair of Liverpool fans, and the most cutting things they said to me were, "sorry for your troubles," and, "can understand turning to cricket when your football is so bad."
    Awkward echoes of the national (perhaps global?) political scene. We can boo the manager, we can condemn their lack of inspirational leadership, we can sack them. But as long as the owners insist on extracting more than they put in, there are limits on what any manager can do.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,730
    @LarrySabato

    NEW Quinnipiac POLL
    --TRUMP job approval 37%, disapprove 55%
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    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1960775227287462162
  • isamisam Posts: 42,374
    edited August 27
    Pulpstar said:

    Never seen such a pathetic display from a manager as Amorin in that shootout tbh

    So odd. Against Fulham he couldn’t even watch them defending corners
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,534

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    As a United fan can I endorse your post?

    An 18-minute penalty shootout to bin us out against League Two Grimsby Town.

    I know the club is broken at a fundamental level. But whatever problems we have - and they are endless - the answer is not Ruben Amorim.
    It literally doesn't matter who the manager is at Man Utd for at least the next five years. No manager can fix the club. It can't be fixed until the Glazers are gone.

    My movers were a pair of Liverpool fans, and the most cutting things they said to me were, "sorry for your troubles," and, "can understand turning to cricket when your football is so bad."
    Awkward echoes of the national (perhaps global?) political scene. We can boo the manager, we can condemn their lack of inspirational leadership, we can sack them. But as long as the owners insist on extracting more than they put in, there are limits on what any manager can do.
    They just spent 200 million on 3 attacking players but forgot they do not have a goalkeeper fit to wear the shirt
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,811
    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Never seen such a pathetic display from a manager as Amorin in that shootout tbh

    So odd. Against Fulham he couldn’t even watch them defending corners
    This is why he needs to go. I don't know what is worse - dogmatically sticking to an unworkable inflexible formation? Or being unable to watch the consequences of his actions?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,513
    You can tell a club is poorly run when they respond to an awful season by spending hundreds of millions on forwards.
    That's almost never the issue.
    That's to buy off the fans.
    Either you honestly analyse the players needed (it is usually the midfield, whichever end of the pitch the problems manifest).
    Or you get the best manager in the league you can afford.
    As Spurs did. And Everton.
    Preferably both.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Question of @ydoethur or any other cricket fans who might know. Why are Hampshirevplaying their quarter final away tomorrow despite finishing second in the group. Seems odd. Clash with the hundred?

    The Rose Bowl is being used by the Southern Brave in The Hundred tomorrow.
    Yep - I’ve just seen a message from the club.

    Frankly it’s a fucking disgrace that Hampshire are forced to concede home advantage in this way. Fuck the ECB. Fuck the Hundred. Fuck em all.
    PB has a lot of cricket fans and I think only one of us have ever said anything positive about The Hundred in four years.
    I changed my mind about it this year.
    More joy in heaven over one sinner that repents, etc.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,534
    dixiedean said:

    You can tell a club is poorly run when they respond to an awful season by spending hundreds of millions on forwards.
    That's almost never the issue.
    That's to buy off the fans.
    Either you honestly analyse the players needed (it is usually the midfield, whichever end of the pitch the problems manifest).
    Or you get the best manager in the league you can afford.
    As Spurs did. And Everton.
    Preferably both.

    United's forwards have been dreadful so fixing that is correct but in goal and midfield they are light years away from challenging for anything
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,534

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Never seen such a pathetic display from a manager as Amorin in that shootout tbh

    So odd. Against Fulham he couldn’t even watch them defending corners
    This is why he needs to go. I don't know what is worse - dogmatically sticking to an unworkable inflexible formation? Or being unable to watch the consequences of his actions?
    And ruining young players !!
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,446
    dixiedean said:

    You can tell a club is poorly run when they respond to an awful season by spending hundreds of millions on forwards.
    That's almost never the issue.
    That's to buy off the fans.
    Either you honestly analyse the players needed (it is usually the midfield, whichever end of the pitch the problems manifest).
    Or you get the best manager in the league you can afford.
    As Spurs did. And Everton.
    Preferably both.

    They’ll get Russell Martin next.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,012
    Who is out first, Potter or Amorim ?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,534
    Amorin must be high on the next Premiership manager to be sacked list
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,513
    Scott_xP said:

    Dr. Susan Monarez, who was sworn in as director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on July 31, is being ousted, according to three sources familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition that they not be named because they were not authorized to share the information.

    Her departure leaves the agency leaderless at a perilous time. Morale, which was already low after deep staff cuts this spring, plummeted after a gunman opened fire on the agency’s main campus in Atlanta on August 8, pocking the buildings with hundreds of bullet holes and killing DeKalb County police officer David Rose.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/27/health/cdc-director-monarez

    It's a sign of how America has degenerated that I totally missed the story of a lethal gun attack on a Federal building.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,513

    dixiedean said:

    You can tell a club is poorly run when they respond to an awful season by spending hundreds of millions on forwards.
    That's almost never the issue.
    That's to buy off the fans.
    Either you honestly analyse the players needed (it is usually the midfield, whichever end of the pitch the problems manifest).
    Or you get the best manager in the league you can afford.
    As Spurs did. And Everton.
    Preferably both.

    United's forwards have been dreadful so fixing that is correct but in goal and midfield they are light years away from challenging for anything
    And. As you can see. Forwards aren't worth a penny if no one creates chances for them.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,811
    Pulpstar said:

    Who is out first, Potter or Amorim ?

    Do a swap!!!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,857
    edited August 27

    dixiedean said:

    You can tell a club is poorly run when they respond to an awful season by spending hundreds of millions on forwards.
    That's almost never the issue.
    That's to buy off the fans.
    Either you honestly analyse the players needed (it is usually the midfield, whichever end of the pitch the problems manifest).
    Or you get the best manager in the league you can afford.
    As Spurs did. And Everton.
    Preferably both.

    They’ll get Russell Martin next.
    Feel a bit sorry for him, Buddhist Green voter (thanks to Isam for those revelations) is not suitable for the Ibrox mincing machine,
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,712
    Potter out if West Ham lose at Forest. West Ham haven't scored there since 1996.

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,131

    dixiedean said:

    You can tell a club is poorly run when they respond to an awful season by spending hundreds of millions on forwards.
    That's almost never the issue.
    That's to buy off the fans.
    Either you honestly analyse the players needed (it is usually the midfield, whichever end of the pitch the problems manifest).
    Or you get the best manager in the league you can afford.
    As Spurs did. And Everton.
    Preferably both.

    They’ll get Russell Martin next.
    Don't be like that, he managed a team to Europa League qualification tonight.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,712
    Maybe Isak to Man U??
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,534
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    You can tell a club is poorly run when they respond to an awful season by spending hundreds of millions on forwards.
    That's almost never the issue.
    That's to buy off the fans.
    Either you honestly analyse the players needed (it is usually the midfield, whichever end of the pitch the problems manifest).
    Or you get the best manager in the league you can afford.
    As Spurs did. And Everton.
    Preferably both.

    United's forwards have been dreadful so fixing that is correct but in goal and midfield they are light years away from challenging for anything
    And. As you can see. Forwards aren't worth a penny if no one creates chances for them.
    That is why they need to resolve their midfield

    Though my daughter, who has been a United supporter and until recently a season ticket holder for over 40 years, says that at least they can now concentrate on the relegation battle !!!!!!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,534

    Maybe Isak to Man U??

    Don't need anymore forwards

    They need a world class goalkeeper and midfield
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,534

    Potter out if West Ham lose at Forest. West Ham haven't scored there since 1996.

    And Amorin v Burnley at Old Trafford this weekend
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,730
    @SkyBet

    Gary Neville’s ‘infamous’ 28 games (in all competitions) as Valencia manager:

    ✅ 10 wins
    🤝 7 draws
    ❌ 11 defeats

    Ruben Amorim’s last 28 games (in all competitions) as Manchester United manager:

    ✅ 9 wins
    🤝 7 draws
    ❌ 12 defeats
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,712

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    You can tell a club is poorly run when they respond to an awful season by spending hundreds of millions on forwards.
    That's almost never the issue.
    That's to buy off the fans.
    Either you honestly analyse the players needed (it is usually the midfield, whichever end of the pitch the problems manifest).
    Or you get the best manager in the league you can afford.
    As Spurs did. And Everton.
    Preferably both.

    United's forwards have been dreadful so fixing that is correct but in goal and midfield they are light years away from challenging for anything
    And. As you can see. Forwards aren't worth a penny if no one creates chances for them.
    That is why they need to resolve their midfield

    Though my daughter, who has been a United supporter and until recently a season ticket holder for over 40 years, says that at least they can now concentrate on the relegation battle !!!!!!
    You should be ok. Brentford Bournemouth West Ham Leeds Sunderland Burnley. You should finish ahead of all of those. Not sure you finished 14 last season?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,126

    Tommy Robinson has joined Ben Habib’s Advance Uk…

    https://x.com/christiancalgie/status/1960815096260616683

    They'd be pretty stupid to stand against Reform UK because all it'll do is split the populist/right vote. The only exception to that is Lowe's seat in Great Yarmouth.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,374
    Pulpstar said:

    Who is out first, Potter or Amorim ?

    I really have a feeling West Ham should get Postecoglu in. He is perfect for them, the fans would love him
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,967
    You have to rub your eyes to believe it. This is Manchester United. Manchester United football club. Man U.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,917
    Pulpstar said:

    Never seen such a pathetic display from a manager as Amorin in that shootout tbh

    That was really embarrassing. It’s just not a good look for the manager to be cowering and too afraid to watch .
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,581
    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Who is out first, Potter or Amorim ?

    I really have a feeling West Ham should get Postecoglu in. He is perfect for them, the fans would love him
    They'll get relegated along the way. Maybe have a few glory days, though no cups. At least we got a cup out of it. Either United or West ham should get Nuno when forest kick him out for whatever nonsense reason the owner comes up with.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,513

    Maybe Isak to Man U??

    Don't need anymore forwards

    They need a world class goalkeeper and midfield
    Not really. They need a passable goalie. An average PL standard one would be a huge upgrade.
    Trouble is. They aren't the big money club anymore. And aren't going to attract all the talented youngsters in the NW like they used to.
    And with no European football pretty soon the foreign world class will dry up. (They are already down to a Top 7 finish - looks unlikely- or the FA Cup for season 26-7).
    But their fans haven't twigged that yet.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,513
    Andy_JS said:

    Tommy Robinson has joined Ben Habib’s Advance Uk…

    https://x.com/christiancalgie/status/1960815096260616683

    They'd be pretty stupid to stand against Reform UK because all it'll do is split the populist/right vote. The only exception to that is Lowe's seat in Great Yarmouth.
    Has anyone told the Tories that?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,632
    edited August 27

    Another attack on us hardworking landlords.

    Landlords could face national insurance on rental income in budget

    The Treasury is considering a plan to apply contributions on the ‘unearned income’ as Rachel Reeves addresses a £40bn hole in public finances


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/landlords-national-insurance-tax-rental-income-xr085xd6s

    Yet another kite goes up in the air.

    Wont happen.

    Landlords would just slap the NI onto rents.

    For the umpteenth time, the rent you can charge for your property is a function of the supply and demand for rental properties, not the underlying costs to you. Otherwise, outright owners would be charging next to nothing in rent.

    This will restrict supply of rental properties somewhat as they become uneconomical for some landlords. By the same token, that means there will be more people not renting as more houses come on the market to buy, so demand for rental properties will fall too. The net effect on rents is difficult to work out as it depends on elasticities etc etc, but it's not impossible that rents actually fall as a result.

    Charging NICs on everything is a roundabout way of merging NICs and Income Tax. I approve, though it will certainly harm my finances.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,193

    Tommy Robinson has joined Ben Habib’s Advance Uk…

    https://x.com/christiancalgie/status/1960815096260616683

    Making no comments about the party itself, but Advance is a bloody stupid name.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,513

    dixiedean said:

    You can tell a club is poorly run when they respond to an awful season by spending hundreds of millions on forwards.
    That's almost never the issue.
    That's to buy off the fans.
    Either you honestly analyse the players needed (it is usually the midfield, whichever end of the pitch the problems manifest).
    Or you get the best manager in the league you can afford.
    As Spurs did. And Everton.
    Preferably both.

    They’ll get Russell Martin next.
    Feel a bit sorry for him, Buddhist Green voter (thanks to Isam for those revelations) is not suitable for the Ibrox mincing machine,
    "I don't think we'll get beat 6-0 again" really is an outstanding quote.
    PS. I don't think he claims to be a Buddhist. He's just read a book and meditates.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,534
    dixiedean said:

    Maybe Isak to Man U??

    Don't need anymore forwards

    They need a world class goalkeeper and midfield
    Not really. They need a passable goalie. An average PL standard one would be a huge upgrade.
    Trouble is. They aren't the big money club anymore. And aren't going to attract all the talented youngsters in the NW like they used to.
    And with no European football pretty soon the foreign world class will dry up. (They are already down to a Top 7 finish - looks unlikely- or the FA Cup for season 26-7).
    But their fans haven't twigged that yet.
    I have and frankly I doubt Amorin will survive if results dont rapidly improve
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,618

    I'm just reading a little about President Hoover (in The American Political Tradition by Richard Hofstadter) and it includes this amazing detail about his work with the Commission for Relief in Belgium during WWI:

    "For four years.. Hoover's commission fed ten million people. The task was accomplished with astonishing efficiency, and when the commission's accounts were tallied at the close of operations its overhead was found to be only three eighths of one per cent of total expenditures.."

    Sounds like he was spectacularly ill-suited to be President though. I don't know why I find it so surprising that he should have been successful at many things prior to becoming President, but I am.

    There are still streets and squares in little Belgian towns named after him.
    He did the same for Bolshevik Russia after the war.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Famine_Relief_Act
    ..At its peak, the ARA employed 300 Americans, more than 120,000 Russians and fed 10.5 million people daily. Its Russian operations were headed by Col. William N. Haskell. The Medical Division of the ARA functioned from November 1921 to June 1923 and helped overcome the typhus epidemic then ravaging Russia. The ARA's famine relief operations ran in parallel with much smaller Mennonite, Jewish and Quaker famine relief operations in Russia.

    The ARA's operations in Russia were shut down on June 15, 1923, after it was discovered that Russia under Lenin had renewed the export of grain...


    Collectivisation continued, of course, and subsequently millions starved.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,857
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    You can tell a club is poorly run when they respond to an awful season by spending hundreds of millions on forwards.
    That's almost never the issue.
    That's to buy off the fans.
    Either you honestly analyse the players needed (it is usually the midfield, whichever end of the pitch the problems manifest).
    Or you get the best manager in the league you can afford.
    As Spurs did. And Everton.
    Preferably both.

    They’ll get Russell Martin next.
    Feel a bit sorry for him, Buddhist Green voter (thanks to Isam for those revelations) is not suitable for the Ibrox mincing machine,
    "I don't think we'll get beat 6-0 again" really is an outstanding quote.
    PS. I don't think he claims to be a Buddhist. He's just read a book and meditates.
    A wee touch of the Buddha as we say in Glasgow.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,444
    Stellar cast for ITV"s new drama "The Hack".
    I'll look forward to reading absolutely nothing about it in most of the UK press.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,730
    AliRogin

    BREAKING: At least 3 CDC leaders have resigned tonight:

    Dan Jernigan, National Center for Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases

    Deb Houry, chief medical officer

    Demetre Daskalakis, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases

    Possibly more TK
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,513

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    You can tell a club is poorly run when they respond to an awful season by spending hundreds of millions on forwards.
    That's almost never the issue.
    That's to buy off the fans.
    Either you honestly analyse the players needed (it is usually the midfield, whichever end of the pitch the problems manifest).
    Or you get the best manager in the league you can afford.
    As Spurs did. And Everton.
    Preferably both.

    They’ll get Russell Martin next.
    Feel a bit sorry for him, Buddhist Green voter (thanks to Isam for those revelations) is not suitable for the Ibrox mincing machine,
    "I don't think we'll get beat 6-0 again" really is an outstanding quote.
    PS. I don't think he claims to be a Buddhist. He's just read a book and meditates.
    A wee touch of the Buddha as we say in Glasgow.
    Although Buddha's very first teaching opened with "You shall know true sufferings."
    So maybe he's an emanation.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,513
    Anyway.
    Grimsby are away to Sheff Wednesday.
    Which prompts me to ask where is BJO?
    And SeashantyIrish for that matter.
    Do hope they are OK?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,258
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    You can tell a club is poorly run when they respond to an awful season by spending hundreds of millions on forwards.
    That's almost never the issue.
    That's to buy off the fans.
    Either you honestly analyse the players needed (it is usually the midfield, whichever end of the pitch the problems manifest).
    Or you get the best manager in the league you can afford.
    As Spurs did. And Everton.
    Preferably both.

    They’ll get Russell Martin next.
    Feel a bit sorry for him, Buddhist Green voter (thanks to Isam for those revelations) is not suitable for the Ibrox mincing machine,
    "I don't think we'll get beat 6-0 again" really is an outstanding quote.
    PS. I don't think he claims to be a Buddhist. He's just read a book and meditates.
    A wee touch of the Buddha as we say in Glasgow.
    Although Buddha's very first teaching opened with "You shall know true sufferings."
    So maybe he's an emanation.
    Maybe he lived in Edinburgh and pined for Glasgow.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 451
    Andy_JS said:

    Tommy Robinson has joined Ben Habib’s Advance Uk…

    https://x.com/christiancalgie/status/1960815096260616683

    They'd be pretty stupid to stand against Reform UK because all it'll do is split the populist/right vote. The only exception to that is Lowe's seat in Great Yarmouth.
    Habib has just done an interview with Andrew Gold. He didn't say much on Robinson, sticking to his view that the Attorney General should not have intervened in a civil case. Much more about Farage who he dismissed as self interested and controlling Reform as his own personal fiefdom. As for tactical voting remember we are still four years away from the election.

    In other news the Russian economy looks more and more strained thanks to the Ukrainian strikes on oil refineries. Hopefully the Flamingo cruise missiles will help to starve the bear further. My biggest concern is that Trump will try and sabotage it to help Putin.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,513
    edited August 27

    Leon said:

    Chicago is the only great American city that is purely American

    New York is an international melange with hints of London and Paris

    DC is a terrible version of Paris crossed with Tashkent

    Miami is South America/spanish

    Boston tries to be English

    New Orleans is a nice take on French

    LA is Barcelona meets crime

    San Francisco is Vladivostok on acid

    Seattle is a sunny gusty prosperous Liverpool

    Chicago is absolutely 100% American

    Take out the word great and Detroit is the most American of cities.
    Except many of its suburbs are in Canada.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,258
    Eabhal said:

    Another attack on us hardworking landlords.

    Landlords could face national insurance on rental income in budget

    The Treasury is considering a plan to apply contributions on the ‘unearned income’ as Rachel Reeves addresses a £40bn hole in public finances


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/landlords-national-insurance-tax-rental-income-xr085xd6s

    Yet another kite goes up in the air.

    Wont happen.

    Landlords would just slap the NI onto rents.

    For the umpteenth time, the rent you can charge for your property is a function of the supply and demand for rental properties, not the underlying costs to you. Otherwise, outright owners would be charging next to nothing in rent.

    This will restrict supply of rental properties somewhat as they become uneconomical for some landlords. By the same token, that means there will be more people not renting as more houses come on the market to buy, so demand for rental properties will fall too. The net effect on rents is difficult to work out as it depends on elasticities etc etc, but it's not impossible that rents actually fall as a result.

    Charging NICs on everything is a roundabout way of merging NICs and Income Tax. I approve, though it will certainly harm my finances.
    I have no real idea how the rental market works. But my nice neighbour is having to move out after her landlord - who has for sure paid off the mortgage on the place - put up the rent by £170/month. Neighbour has lived there for getting on fifteen years. It makes me terribly sad.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,126
    edited August 27
    "Centrist Dad" Adam Boulton has just said on the Sky News Paper Review that it "may not be such a bad thing for the planet" if the birth rate in the UK is only 1.4 children per woman.

    Because, of course, the largest population increases are taking place in the UK and Europe, and not in Africa/Asia.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,917
    ohnotnow said:

    Eabhal said:

    Another attack on us hardworking landlords.

    Landlords could face national insurance on rental income in budget

    The Treasury is considering a plan to apply contributions on the ‘unearned income’ as Rachel Reeves addresses a £40bn hole in public finances


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/landlords-national-insurance-tax-rental-income-xr085xd6s

    Yet another kite goes up in the air.

    Wont happen.

    Landlords would just slap the NI onto rents.

    For the umpteenth time, the rent you can charge for your property is a function of the supply and demand for rental properties, not the underlying costs to you. Otherwise, outright owners would be charging next to nothing in rent.

    This will restrict supply of rental properties somewhat as they become uneconomical for some landlords. By the same token, that means there will be more people not renting as more houses come on the market to buy, so demand for rental properties will fall too. The net effect on rents is difficult to work out as it depends on elasticities etc etc, but it's not impossible that rents actually fall as a result.

    Charging NICs on everything is a roundabout way of merging NICs and Income Tax. I approve, though it will certainly harm my finances.
    I have no real idea how the rental market works. But my nice neighbour is having to move out after her landlord - who has for sure paid off the mortgage on the place - put up the rent by £170/month. Neighbour has lived there for getting on fifteen years. It makes me terribly sad.
    That’s awful . You’d think the landlord might appreciate a good tenant whose been there for such a long time.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,565

    Andy_JS said:

    Tommy Robinson has joined Ben Habib’s Advance Uk…

    https://x.com/christiancalgie/status/1960815096260616683

    They'd be pretty stupid to stand against Reform UK because all it'll do is split the populist/right vote. The only exception to that is Lowe's seat in Great Yarmouth.
    Habib has just done an interview with Andrew Gold. He didn't say much on Robinson, sticking to his view that the Attorney General should not have intervened in a civil case. Much more about Farage who he dismissed as self interested and controlling Reform as his own personal fiefdom. As for tactical voting remember we are still four years away from the election.

    In other news the Russian economy looks more and more strained thanks to the Ukrainian strikes on oil refineries. Hopefully the Flamingo cruise missiles will help to starve the bear further. My biggest concern is that Trump will try and sabotage it to help Putin.
    The irony of petrol rationing in Sakhalin

    Refineries are multiple square miles of pipes under pressure full of varying grades of inflamables.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,513
    edited August 27
    ohnotnow said:

    Eabhal said:

    Another attack on us hardworking landlords.

    Landlords could face national insurance on rental income in budget

    The Treasury is considering a plan to apply contributions on the ‘unearned income’ as Rachel Reeves addresses a £40bn hole in public finances


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/landlords-national-insurance-tax-rental-income-xr085xd6s

    Yet another kite goes up in the air.

    Wont happen.

    Landlords would just slap the NI onto rents.

    For the umpteenth time, the rent you can charge for your property is a function of the supply and demand for rental properties, not the underlying costs to you. Otherwise, outright owners would be charging next to nothing in rent.

    This will restrict supply of rental properties somewhat as they become uneconomical for some landlords. By the same token, that means there will be more people not renting as more houses come on the market to buy, so demand for rental properties will fall too. The net effect on rents is difficult to work out as it depends on elasticities etc etc, but it's not impossible that rents actually fall as a result.

    Charging NICs on everything is a roundabout way of merging NICs and Income Tax. I approve, though it will certainly harm my finances.
    I have no real idea how the rental market works. But my nice neighbour is having to move out after her landlord - who has for sure paid off the mortgage on the place - put up the rent by £170/month. Neighbour has lived there for getting on fifteen years. It makes me terribly sad.
    You aren't happy they get a sixth cruise this year?
    Your lack of compassion for those who've slaved away all their lives is unkind.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,632
    ohnotnow said:

    Eabhal said:

    Another attack on us hardworking landlords.

    Landlords could face national insurance on rental income in budget

    The Treasury is considering a plan to apply contributions on the ‘unearned income’ as Rachel Reeves addresses a £40bn hole in public finances


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/landlords-national-insurance-tax-rental-income-xr085xd6s

    Yet another kite goes up in the air.

    Wont happen.

    Landlords would just slap the NI onto rents.

    For the umpteenth time, the rent you can charge for your property is a function of the supply and demand for rental properties, not the underlying costs to you. Otherwise, outright owners would be charging next to nothing in rent.

    This will restrict supply of rental properties somewhat as they become uneconomical for some landlords. By the same token, that means there will be more people not renting as more houses come on the market to buy, so demand for rental properties will fall too. The net effect on rents is difficult to work out as it depends on elasticities etc etc, but it's not impossible that rents actually fall as a result.

    Charging NICs on everything is a roundabout way of merging NICs and Income Tax. I approve, though it will certainly harm my finances.
    I have no real idea how the rental market works. But my nice neighbour is having to move out after her landlord - who has for sure paid off the mortgage on the place - put up the rent by £170/month. Neighbour has lived there for getting on fifteen years. It makes me terribly sad.
    Grim. There have been some attempts to avoid this in Scotland by reducing the rate at which you can increase rents, but as ever with the housing market this can induce some perverse outcomes. It effectively stores up the rent until the next tenant comes in, but that means tenants are desperate not to move, thereby giving landlords a lot of power.

    I haven't increased the rent at all on my place because there is a lot of value in having a good tenant - but give it 5 years and I'll soon be charging significantly below the market rate.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,513
    Eabhal said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Eabhal said:

    Another attack on us hardworking landlords.

    Landlords could face national insurance on rental income in budget

    The Treasury is considering a plan to apply contributions on the ‘unearned income’ as Rachel Reeves addresses a £40bn hole in public finances


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/landlords-national-insurance-tax-rental-income-xr085xd6s

    Yet another kite goes up in the air.

    Wont happen.

    Landlords would just slap the NI onto rents.

    For the umpteenth time, the rent you can charge for your property is a function of the supply and demand for rental properties, not the underlying costs to you. Otherwise, outright owners would be charging next to nothing in rent.

    This will restrict supply of rental properties somewhat as they become uneconomical for some landlords. By the same token, that means there will be more people not renting as more houses come on the market to buy, so demand for rental properties will fall too. The net effect on rents is difficult to work out as it depends on elasticities etc etc, but it's not impossible that rents actually fall as a result.

    Charging NICs on everything is a roundabout way of merging NICs and Income Tax. I approve, though it will certainly harm my finances.
    I have no real idea how the rental market works. But my nice neighbour is having to move out after her landlord - who has for sure paid off the mortgage on the place - put up the rent by £170/month. Neighbour has lived there for getting on fifteen years. It makes me terribly sad.
    Grim. There have been some attempts to avoid this in Scotland by reducing the rate at which you can increase rents, but as ever with the housing market this can induce some perverse outcomes. It effectively stores up the rent until the next tenant comes in, but that means tenants are desperate not to move, thereby giving landlords a lot of power.

    I haven't increased the rent at all on my place because there is a lot of value in having a good tenant - but give it 5 years and I'll soon be charging significantly below the market rate.
    You could always sell up.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,632
    dixiedean said:

    Eabhal said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Eabhal said:

    Another attack on us hardworking landlords.

    Landlords could face national insurance on rental income in budget

    The Treasury is considering a plan to apply contributions on the ‘unearned income’ as Rachel Reeves addresses a £40bn hole in public finances


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/landlords-national-insurance-tax-rental-income-xr085xd6s

    Yet another kite goes up in the air.

    Wont happen.

    Landlords would just slap the NI onto rents.

    For the umpteenth time, the rent you can charge for your property is a function of the supply and demand for rental properties, not the underlying costs to you. Otherwise, outright owners would be charging next to nothing in rent.

    This will restrict supply of rental properties somewhat as they become uneconomical for some landlords. By the same token, that means there will be more people not renting as more houses come on the market to buy, so demand for rental properties will fall too. The net effect on rents is difficult to work out as it depends on elasticities etc etc, but it's not impossible that rents actually fall as a result.

    Charging NICs on everything is a roundabout way of merging NICs and Income Tax. I approve, though it will certainly harm my finances.
    I have no real idea how the rental market works. But my nice neighbour is having to move out after her landlord - who has for sure paid off the mortgage on the place - put up the rent by £170/month. Neighbour has lived there for getting on fifteen years. It makes me terribly sad.
    Grim. There have been some attempts to avoid this in Scotland by reducing the rate at which you can increase rents, but as ever with the housing market this can induce some perverse outcomes. It effectively stores up the rent until the next tenant comes in, but that means tenants are desperate not to move, thereby giving landlords a lot of power.

    I haven't increased the rent at all on my place because there is a lot of value in having a good tenant - but give it 5 years and I'll soon be charging significantly below the market rate.
    You could always sell up.
    Yep. But while housing is such an attractive store of wealth, I won't. This NICs change might help in that decision though.

    (It's also personal stuff like having somewhere to move back to if my relationship breaks down).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,012
    dixiedean said:

    I’m calling it - that’s Amorim’s Mark Robins moment right there. 10 year reign of glory incoming…

    Didn't age very well.
    Robins is an excellent manager tbf, West Ham could do worse
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,716
    dixiedean said:

    Anyway.
    Grimsby are away to Sheff Wednesday.
    Which prompts me to ask where is BJO?
    And SeashantyIrish for that matter.
    Do hope they are OK?

    I don't think SSI has posted on here since Trump's election in November.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,402
    edited August 27

    dixiedean said:

    Anyway.
    Grimsby are away to Sheff Wednesday.
    Which prompts me to ask where is BJO?
    And SeashantyIrish for that matter.
    Do hope they are OK?

    I don't think SSI has posted on here since Trump's election in November.
    Last active Nov 6 2024.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/profile/SeaShantyIrish2

    BJO was last active on August 4th this year.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/profile/BigJohnOwls
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,126
    edited August 27
    On this occasion I have to agree with Paul Joseph Watson that this Sky News report does indeed look and sound a bit like on of his videos.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZupQksNbq0
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