Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Are you not one of these incendiary right wing hacks demanding regime change?
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Thank you for expressing this so well. This is my sentiment as well.
Indeed - no flags in East Ham either - well, apart from the Palestinian, Romanian and LTTE flags.
Newham Town Hall still proudly flies the Union Jack and the rather uninspiring Newham Borough flag (the Cross of St Piran it isnt).
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Thank you for expressing this so well. This is my sentiment as well.
Indeed - no flags in East Ham either - well, apart from the Palestinian, Romanian and LTTE flags.
It’s not those flags that seem to be problematic.
Round here none on our estate although it’s quite a middle class estate. Wouldn’t bother me if there were.
On the next estate there’s a guy flying an England flag but has been doing it for years.
On the main A167 quite a few flags flying.
My main gripe is the people putting them up call the cable ties ‘zip ties’. FFS.
Despite their extensive indulgence with golf club bore culture war fripperies the Fukkers are a single issue party and that issue is the boats. If SKS doesn't stop them then they will get a majority if he does, they won't.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Thank you for expressing this so well. This is my sentiment as well.
Indeed - no flags in East Ham either - well, apart from the Palestinian, Romanian and LTTE flags.
It’s not those flags that seem to be problematic.
Round here none on our estate although it’s quite a middle class estate. Wouldn’t bother me if there were.
On the next estate there’s a guy flying an England flag but has been doing it for years.
On the main A167 quite a few flags flying.
My main gripe is the people putting them up call the cable ties ‘zip ties’. FFS.
How long until they all look torn, tatty and absolutely shit?
Because a shiny sixpence says that the people who put them up in this massive display of patriotism have zero plans to look after them.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Thank you for expressing this so well. This is my sentiment as well.
Indeed - no flags in East Ham either - well, apart from the Palestinian, Romanian and LTTE flags.
It’s not those flags that seem to be problematic.
Round here none on our estate although it’s quite a middle class estate. Wouldn’t bother me if there were.
On the next estate there’s a guy flying an England flag but has been doing it for years.
On the main A167 quite a few flags flying.
My main gripe is the people putting them up call the cable ties ‘zip ties’. FFS.
How long until they all look torn, tatty and absolutely shit?
Because a shiny sixpence says that the people who put them up in this massive display of patriotism have zero plans to look after them.
I bet they also didn’t do a risk assessment when they put them up.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Are you not one of these incendiary right wing hacks demanding regime change?
No, that's the weirdo stalker who follows Leon around and rebroadcasts his thoughts.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Thank you for expressing this so well. This is my sentiment as well.
Indeed - no flags in East Ham either - well, apart from the Palestinian, Romanian and LTTE flags.
It’s not those flags that seem to be problematic.
Round here none on our estate although it’s quite a middle class estate. Wouldn’t bother me if there were.
On the next estate there’s a guy flying an England flag but has been doing it for years.
On the main A167 quite a few flags flying.
My main gripe is the people putting them up call the cable ties ‘zip ties’. FFS.
I think we all know what the "problem" is with the flags.
It's part of a resurgence of nativist politics which is strong on English (not British) cultural identity. It goes with concerns over ethnic and demographic balance (such as those proposing we give money to white women to have babies) as well as remigration, voluntary repatriation or deportation which at one end is about illegal asylum seekers and foreigners in British jails and goes to the extreme of wanting to deport, for example, the entire British Islanic community which I've seen suggested.
At the moment, this is the extreme end - even Farage has admitted mass deportations aren't possible or practical but there's clearly a groundswell of opinion along the lines of "everything will be all right if we throw out the foreigners".
The debate has moved from immigration to integration and the very real concerns people have about how mass immigration has changed the social profile of their communities (even though this has been a regular feature of British life in the past couple of centuries). I suspect the Labour Government will pivot to a Danish-style policy in time but the stable door is swinging off its hinges and the horse is through the next field.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Thank you for expressing this so well. This is my sentiment as well.
Indeed - no flags in East Ham either - well, apart from the Palestinian, Romanian and LTTE flags.
It’s not those flags that seem to be problematic.
Round here none on our estate although it’s quite a middle class estate. Wouldn’t bother me if there were.
On the next estate there’s a guy flying an England flag but has been doing it for years.
On the main A167 quite a few flags flying.
My main gripe is the people putting them up call the cable ties ‘zip ties’. FFS.
How long until they all look torn, tatty and absolutely shit?
Because a shiny sixpence says that the people who put them up in this massive display of patriotism have zero plans to look after them.
Report anyone flying them after sunset or - shudders - upside down. Tricky to get right with the Union Flag.
One of the most PB-worthy debates ever could be that over flying the Saltire as a jack on CalMac ferries. It means "My vessel is stopped; making no way" as a signal flag.
Isn't Farage and his team taking quite a risk giving so much support to Lucy Connolly? What she said reads particularly badly. More so when you see what she said to the policemen who interviewed her which are in the appeal notes.
Calling her sentence 'Morally repugnant' might seem OK today but in three years it could sound quite shocking. Who knows we might even be a more tolerant country by then. 48 sheet posters all over the land with Connolly's words endorsed by a sweaty grinning Farage could leave him quite a hostage to fortune-if not looking quite 'morally repugnant'
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
On most current polls Reform will win most seats but if LD and Green voters tactically vote Labour in Labour held marginals and Tory voters still vote Tory then Labour could still win most seats.
Of course Reform's poll lead could also narrow or disappear
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Thank you for expressing this so well. This is my sentiment as well.
Indeed - no flags in East Ham either - well, apart from the Palestinian, Romanian and LTTE flags.
It’s not those flags that seem to be problematic.
Round here none on our estate although it’s quite a middle class estate. Wouldn’t bother me if there were.
On the next estate there’s a guy flying an England flag but has been doing it for years.
On the main A167 quite a few flags flying.
My main gripe is the people putting them up call the cable ties ‘zip ties’. FFS.
And that of course is the sad thing because of course it shouldn't bother you if they did put them up and on occasions it is quite a nice thing to see. I am the same. It doesn't bother me either and in fact I find it quite pleasant to see flags flying in the wind.
The fact that we even have to comment on whether it bothers us or not is an issue in its own right.
I don't have a flag, but if my house had a flag pole I guess I might use it, but if the flag gets hijacked again I probably wouldn't.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
Well it looks like you’re about to drive me off the site, as @TSE is imposing a unique rule, solely for me, that if I post on here my profile must be public. But this only applies to me
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
So if you’re going to make my profile public right now, you don’t have to wait for your visit to a laptop, you can make theirs public as well, as we chat
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
In fairness to @leon I do agree with him on this. He shouldn't be picked out. I again ask why anyone's account should be private. There is nothing private to see. Nobody should hide their previous posts. If they are embarrassed by them (I am by a few of mine) just come clean.
On most current polls Reform will win most seats but if LD and Green voters tactically vote Labour in Labour held marginals and Tory voters still vote Tory then Labour could still win most seats.
Of course Reform's poll lead could also narrow or disappear
With all those ifs, buts and maybes you can understand why some are not prepared to risk even a penny on the next General Election at this time.
I don't even know what's going to happen in next year's London Council elections.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
Well it looks like you’re about to drive me off the site
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
Well it looks like you’re about to drive me off the site, as @TSE is imposing a unique rule, solely for me, that if I post on here my profile must be public. But this only applies to me
If so, well done
No desire to do so @leon. See my response to @TheScreamingEagles made before I saw your post. You should not be treated differently. My motive was that I was unable to see a post of yours that I wanted to reference which is perfectly reasonable.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
The problem with at least some people is they imagine a private profile protects them from identity theft and crypto hustlers, when its main effect is simply to stop people easily seeing their last few posts without having to search.
But are mandatory public profiles ideal?
Better would be a setting that is private from outside PB but public inside PB. Does Vanilla offer granularity on privacy settings?
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
Well it looks like you’re about to drive me off the site, as @TSE is imposing a unique rule, solely for me, that if I post on here my profile must be public. But this only applies to me
If so, well done
No desire to do so @leon. See my response to @TheScreamingEagles made before I saw your post. You should not be treated differently. My motive was that I was unable to see a post of yours that I wanted to reference which is perfectly reasonable.
Fair enough
By the way you do realise you can search vanilla by keyword? So, if you remember a comment well enough, it’s really not hard to find. And “privacy” does not stop you searching any comments with that method
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
The problem with at least some people is they imagine a private profile protects them from identity theft and crypto hustlers, when its main effect is simply to stop people easily seeing their last few posts without having to search.
But are mandatory public profiles ideal?
Better would be a setting that is private from outside PB but public inside PB. Does Vanilla offer granularity on privacy settings?
There are two settings it seems, to have public profile, and have public email address.
Since the profile just links to your posts, that seems reasonable to have public. Having the email public, unless you used a fake email address to sign up which defeats the point, is insane.
Weird though to have them as user settings but a rule against using them. Certainly I was not aware it was a rule not to use that setting, not that I have.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
Seems "mass deportations" are back on the agenda. I presume Farage has already worked out what to do if the first planeload of returnees to Eritrea is refused permission to enter Eritrean airspace or land at Asmara Airport or will we see some money go to Eritrea in lieu of permission and once the returnees are put off the plane and executed on the runway, I imagine Farage will claim it a success for his policy?
The key is the deterrence much as it was with the threats of Rwanda (which did seem, on limited evidence admittedly) to have some impact. Farage is hoping the threat will be enough to stop the illegal crossings - he may be right but he also know there will be legal challenges aplenty.
DNI Tulsi Gabbard has classified all Russia-Ukraine peace negotiation info as “NOFORN” (No Foreign Dissemination), barring sharing with allied intelligence, including the Five Eyes: U.S., U.K., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. https://x.com/PolymarketIntel/status/1958905771514597565
That seems strange, even if Tulsi is one of Trump's mushrooms.
The current trend is towards the USA being isolated, and self-isolating. That gives the other Eyes a precedent for anything they wish to do.
If anything that will increase the push towards the creation of routes around the USA.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
Well it looks like you’re about to drive me off the site, as @TSE is imposing a unique rule, solely for me, that if I post on here my profile must be public. But this only applies to me
If so, well done
No desire to do so @leon. See my response to @TheScreamingEagles made before I saw your post. You should not be treated differently. My motive was that I was unable to see a post of yours that I wanted to reference which is perfectly reasonable.
Fair enough
By the way you do realise you can search vanilla by keyword? So, if you remember a comment well enough, it’s really not hard to find. And “privacy” does not stop you searching any comments with that method
The vf search function is pretty crap. Especially if they keyword is not unique it can be dumped within a mountain of other posts, and it doesn't seem to sort by time unless there's a way to do it I've not seen.
Especially if you say something like 'see my post from earlier today' then checking the profile works well for that, searching does not.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
Yes. No more two tier PB. We all post under a name of choice. All posting histories accessible. If you don't want it there don't post it.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Thank you for expressing this so well. This is my sentiment as well.
Indeed - no flags in East Ham either - well, apart from the Palestinian, Romanian and LTTE flags.
It’s not those flags that seem to be problematic.
Round here none on our estate although it’s quite a middle class estate. Wouldn’t bother me if there were.
On the next estate there’s a guy flying an England flag but has been doing it for years.
On the main A167 quite a few flags flying.
My main gripe is the people putting them up call the cable ties ‘zip ties’. FFS.
I think we all know what the "problem" is with the flags.
It's part of a resurgence of nativist politics which is strong on English (not British) cultural identity. It goes with concerns over ethnic and demographic balance (such as those proposing we give money to white women to have babies) as well as remigration, voluntary repatriation or deportation which at one end is about illegal asylum seekers and foreigners in British jails and goes to the extreme of wanting to deport, for example, the entire British Islanic community which I've seen suggested.
At the moment, this is the extreme end - even Farage has admitted mass deportations aren't possible or practical but there's clearly a groundswell of opinion along the lines of "everything will be all right if we throw out the foreigners".
The debate has moved from immigration to integration and the very real concerns people have about how mass immigration has changed the social profile of their communities (even though this has been a regular feature of British life in the past couple of centuries). I suspect the Labour Government will pivot to a Danish-style policy in time but the stable door is swinging off its hinges and the horse is through the next field.
It’s interesting to see how these concerns are now accepted as genuine whereas a few years ago people, including a fair few here, would use ‘real concerns’ as a euphemism to imply whole communities are racist.
If you cede debate and discussion, by refusing to engage and demonising people with different views, then it will create a gap that will be filled by the extremes who don’t care and just want a ruck like the EDL and SWP brigade.
As KJH said earlier. Our flag in England had been hi jacked by the far right. I think the Scots and Welsh didn’t have the same issue. I felt our flag started coming home in Euro 96 and after that when people had those tacky flags flying on their cars due to soccer tournaments.
15% for the Tories most seats? There's one born every minute.
That's what people said about Labour most seats at this time last Parliament.
A lot can change in 3-4 years, how the public will want to vote then hasn't been decided yet. All options are possible.
Quite. The Tories have had most seats in an MRP this year and been in an effective 3 way tie for seats in one within the last 5 months. The idea that its unthinkable is just daft. Poll recency bias strikes. You can probably tie their chances of most seats to your assessment of how likely Reform are to implode.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
That’s fine. I made mine private when that sozzled loon Ishmael was stalking my every post. The only person online I’ve ever felt wary about knowing stuff about me and I used to post regularly on DrWho,and Pro Wrestling forums.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Thank you for expressing this so well. This is my sentiment as well.
Indeed - no flags in East Ham either - well, apart from the Palestinian, Romanian and LTTE flags.
It’s not those flags that seem to be problematic.
Round here none on our estate although it’s quite a middle class estate. Wouldn’t bother me if there were.
On the next estate there’s a guy flying an England flag but has been doing it for years.
On the main A167 quite a few flags flying.
My main gripe is the people putting them up call the cable ties ‘zip ties’. FFS.
How long until they all look torn, tatty and absolutely shit?
Because a shiny sixpence says that the people who put them up in this massive display of patriotism have zero plans to look after them.
Or remove them from illegal postings on public property. So the council have to do it. Which costs money, directly and indirectly (in time wasted that should have been spent on other things).
I thought the right on PB were against wasting public money on flag symbolism?
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
Yes. No more two tier PB. We all post under a name of choice. All posting histories accessible. If you don't want it there don't post it.
I don’t like the “mandatory public profile” rule. But if the moderators insist, I will accept it. Their site, their rules
What I objected to was the idea of me alone being brutally and politically persecuted, like some kind of PB Lucy Connolly, or Nelson Mandela
However in fairness @TSE has apparently now made @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and everyone else public. So I shall not complain
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
Yes. No more two tier PB. We all post under a name of choice. All posting histories accessible. If you don't want it there don't post it.
I don’t like the “mandatory public profile” rule. But if the moderators insist, I will accept it. Their site, their rules
What I objected to was the idea of me alone being brutally and politically persecuted, like some kind of PB Lucy Connolly, or Nelson Mandela
However in fairness @TSE has apparently now made @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and everyone else public. So I shall not complain
Another collision where the car's computer seems to have helped evidence the earlier speed:
The force of the collision caused the police Volvo to be propelled into the back of the Mercedes the officer had stopped.
Mr Mohammed said both cars - along with the one Hood had been driving - suffered "catastrophic damage".
Footage from inside the constables' vehicle at the moment of impact was played in court.
Hood had been going at 86mph when he hit the police car, but had reached 134mph five seconds before the smash.
Hood and one of his passengers managed to clamber out of the Mercedes without getting help for the causalities, some of whom had life-threatening injuries.
Goodness. Not his fault; these things happen; he was driving that fast he couldn't see anything.
I'm surprised the Crown Office didn't attempt a more serious charge. There's wicked recklessness there given they abandoned the officers injured in their car.
The report mentions a charge on which a Not Guilty plea was accepted, but I don't see it mentioned what that charge was.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
Yes. No more two tier PB. We all post under a name of choice. All posting histories accessible. If you don't want it there don't post it.
I don’t like the “mandatory public profile” rule. But if the moderators insist, I will accept it. Their site, their rules
What I objected to was the idea of me alone being brutally and politically persecuted, like some kind of PB Lucy Connolly, or Nelson Mandela
However in fairness @TSE has apparently now made @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and everyone else public. So I shall not complain
All-nighter, was it?
I chose those examples very carefully. I was going to compare myself to Socrates, perhaps the first martyr, or George Floyd, because he did drugs like me - but on balance I think Mandela and Connolly are the closest comparisons to my case. None of us died as a result of the Great Persecutions, but my god we suffered, as the powers-that-be tried to crush us
I’d probably add Solzhenitsyn to the list. Exactly like me, he spent a surprising amount of time in northern Kazakhstan
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
That’s fine. I made mine private when that sozzled loon Ishmael was stalking my every post. The only person online I’ve ever felt wary about knowing stuff about me and I used to post regularly on DrWho,and Pro Wrestling forums.
I did not know that Taz. I suffered a similar fate. I don't think we were alone.
PS Just to make clear I don't post on Dr Who and Pro Wrestling forums.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Thank you for expressing this so well. This is my sentiment as well.
Indeed - no flags in East Ham either - well, apart from the Palestinian, Romanian and LTTE flags.
It’s not those flags that seem to be problematic.
Round here none on our estate although it’s quite a middle class estate. Wouldn’t bother me if there were.
On the next estate there’s a guy flying an England flag but has been doing it for years.
On the main A167 quite a few flags flying.
My main gripe is the people putting them up call the cable ties ‘zip ties’. FFS.
How long until they all look torn, tatty and absolutely shit?
Because a shiny sixpence says that the people who put them up in this massive display of patriotism have zero plans to look after them.
Or remove them from illegal postings on public property. So the council have to do it. Which costs money, directly and indirectly (in time wasted that should have been spent on other things).
I thought the right on PB were against wasting public money on flag symbolism?
I like the idea of pasting flags to uncollected bin bags, or painting them in long-standing pot holes.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
Yes. No more two tier PB. We all post under a name of choice. All posting histories accessible. If you don't want it there don't post it.
I don’t like the “mandatory public profile” rule. But if the moderators insist, I will accept it. Their site, their rules
What I objected to was the idea of me alone being brutally and politically persecuted, like some kind of PB Lucy Connolly, or Nelson Mandela
However in fairness @TSE has apparently now made @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and everyone else public. So I shall not complain
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
That’s fine. I made mine private when that sozzled loon Ishmael was stalking my every post. The only person online I’ve ever felt wary about knowing stuff about me and I used to post regularly on DrWho,and Pro Wrestling forums.
I did not know that Taz. I suffered a similar fate. I don't think we were alone.
PS Just to make clear I don't post on Dr Who and Pro Wrestling forums.
Probably wise. Some people can be obsessive and if they take against you and stalk your every post it can be a little concerning. In the days where people are happy to use peoples online life to get them into trouble in the real world either with work or officialdom in the words of the song, Wham Rap ‘caution pays’
In the old usenet days RSPW was a strange place especially during the Monday Night wars. People supported their wrestling feds far more tribally than people support their football teams.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
Looks bad but has it been independently verified ?
Not quite. Hence my caution. Grok thinks it’s probably real
There was another violent flag-related incident in York which HAS been exaggerated (I think) so 🤷🏼♂️
It might be a good idea to check out whether stuff is actually genuine before posting it and and flapping about in your pre-twisted knickers.
In other news, I am sitting out in central London enjoying a cooler morning than of late; there are no flags out anywhere to be seen, no-one is trying to steal my phone despite my typing away on PB, and life goes on as usual with no hint of either imminent civil strife or economic collapse. There are even people of different ethnic background all out enjoying the late summer day together.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
No, no-one on here thinks you are remotely powerful or influential. You're just a poisonous little keyboard warrior failing to project your personal insecurities onto the rest of the world.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Thank you for expressing this so well. This is my sentiment as well.
Indeed - no flags in East Ham either - well, apart from the Palestinian, Romanian and LTTE flags.
It’s not those flags that seem to be problematic.
Round here none on our estate although it’s quite a middle class estate. Wouldn’t bother me if there were.
On the next estate there’s a guy flying an England flag but has been doing it for years.
On the main A167 quite a few flags flying.
My main gripe is the people putting them up call the cable ties ‘zip ties’. FFS.
How long until they all look torn, tatty and absolutely shit?
Because a shiny sixpence says that the people who put them up in this massive display of patriotism have zero plans to look after them.
I bet they also didn’t do a risk assessment when they put them up.
Working at Height training at the local Reform HQ? Hi-viz football shirts? Insurance???
In this one-minute clip from The Rest is Politics, Rory suggests most pundits are wrongly framing Trump's position on Ukraine, which leads them to say he was outmanoeuvred. Looked at from another angle, Trump might be succeeding.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
Yes. No more two tier PB. We all post under a name of choice. All posting histories accessible. If you don't want it there don't post it.
I don’t like the “mandatory public profile” rule. But if the moderators insist, I will accept it. Their site, their rules
What I objected to was the idea of me alone being brutally and politically persecuted, like some kind of PB Lucy Connolly, or Nelson Mandela
However in fairness @TSE has apparently now made @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and everyone else public. So I shall not complain
Yes this isn't about you. It's about equality and transparency. It's great to be able to go and review a person's body of work (which is what their posting history is). I do it all the time. When I have a spare hour or two I'll pick a poster (could even be you although probably not) and review their body of work. It's a useful and rewarding exercise. Keeps me plugged in.
On most current polls Reform will win most seats but if LD and Green voters tactically vote Labour in Labour held marginals and Tory voters still vote Tory then Labour could still win most seats.
Of course Reform's poll lead could also narrow or disappear
With all those ifs, buts and maybes you can understand why some are not prepared to risk even a penny on the next General Election at this time.
I don't even know what's going to happen in next year's London Council elections.
In a sense I agree, and won't bet on anything this far out - I don't have the attention span or the patience. However, betting and prediction in respect of probabilities can always be done, as long as you clearly distinguish it from suggesting that something is certain. Probabilities always and everywhere have to take account of unknowns, and, betting aside, is one of the world's great enjoyable games because it is absolutely useless, fascinating and takes a bit of skill.
As to betting, the market makers (bookies to me) don't have some special knowledge we don't have to rig the market. They are a genuinely useful guide to what informed people think - just like 30 year gilts is a better guide to informed opinion, and therefore likely and possible outcomes, than the Daily Mail.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
Looks bad but has it been independently verified ?
Not quite. Hence my caution. Grok thinks it’s probably real
There was another violent flag-related incident in York which HAS been exaggerated (I think) so 🤷🏼♂️
It might be a good idea to check out whether stuff is actually genuine before posting it and and flapping about in your pre-twisted knickers.
In other news, I am sitting out in central London enjoying a cooler morning than of late; there are no flags out anywhere to be seen, no-one is trying to steal my phone despite my typing away on PB, and life goes on as usual with no hint of either imminent civil strife or economic collapse. There are even people of different ethnic background all out enjoying the late summer day together.
This is what I tend to find when I brush up and get myself out and about.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
Yes. No more two tier PB. We all post under a name of choice. All posting histories accessible. If you don't want it there don't post it.
I don’t like the “mandatory public profile” rule. But if the moderators insist, I will accept it. Their site, their rules
What I objected to was the idea of me alone being brutally and politically persecuted, like some kind of PB Lucy Connolly, or Nelson Mandela
However in fairness @TSE has apparently now made @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and everyone else public. So I shall not complain
Yes this isn't about you. It's about equality and transparency. It's great to be able to go and review a person's body of work (which is what their posting history is). I do it all the time. When I have a spare hour or two I'll pick a poster (could even be you now although probably not) and review their body of work. It's a useful and rewarding exercise. Keeps me plugged in.
It does sound a tad creepy, to be honest, and I doubt anyone bothers with my posts. In the early days, some things did make me wonder if someone (*cough* CCHQ *cough*) might be archiving posts to later weaponise.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Thank you for expressing this so well. This is my sentiment as well.
Indeed - no flags in East Ham either - well, apart from the Palestinian, Romanian and LTTE flags.
It’s not those flags that seem to be problematic.
Round here none on our estate although it’s quite a middle class estate. Wouldn’t bother me if there were.
On the next estate there’s a guy flying an England flag but has been doing it for years.
On the main A167 quite a few flags flying.
My main gripe is the people putting them up call the cable ties ‘zip ties’. FFS.
How long until they all look torn, tatty and absolutely shit?
Because a shiny sixpence says that the people who put them up in this massive display of patriotism have zero plans to look after them.
Or remove them from illegal postings on public property. So the council have to do it. Which costs money, directly and indirectly (in time wasted that should have been spent on other things).
I thought the right on PB were against wasting public money on flag symbolism?
I like the idea of pasting flags to uncollected bin bags, or painting them in long-standing pot holes.
Interesting thought. But surely the first option sends a decidedly ambiguous message!
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
Yes. No more two tier PB. We all post under a name of choice. All posting histories accessible. If you don't want it there don't post it.
I don’t like the “mandatory public profile” rule. But if the moderators insist, I will accept it. Their site, their rules
What I objected to was the idea of me alone being brutally and politically persecuted, like some kind of PB Lucy Connolly, or Nelson Mandela
However in fairness @TSE has apparently now made @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and everyone else public. So I shall not complain
Yes this isn't about you. It's about equality and transparency. It's great to be able to go and review a person's body of work (which is what their posting history is). I do it all the time. When I have a spare hour or two I'll pick a poster (could even be you now although probably not) and review their body of work. It's a useful and rewarding exercise. Keeps me plugged in.
It does sound a tad creepy, to be honest, and I doubt anyone bothers with my posts. In the early days, some things did make me wonder if someone (*cough* CCHQ *cough*) might be archiving posts to later weaponise.
In this one-minute clip from The Rest is Politics, Rory suggests most pundits are wrongly framing Trump's position on Ukraine, which leads them to say he was outmanoeuvred. Looked at from another angle, Trump might be succeeding.
Someone who is Reform adjacent (policies not the party) commented that Trump may be mad, but he does try to do what he says he will do. The attempt, rather than the outcome, apparently is the key. People (Reform adjacent) want action rather than criticism or prevarication.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
In this one-minute clip from The Rest is Politics, Rory suggests most pundits are wrongly framing Trump's position on Ukraine, which leads them to say he was outmanoeuvred. Looked at from another angle, Trump might be succeeding.
FWIW I think Rory is about right. He has been on this line for a time.
Two things, one certain, the other likely. Certain: Trump thinks Europe is two power blocs, Russian and western and that exactly where the dividing line comes somewhere in central Europe - which is in fact what the current war is about in his mind - is a matter for Europe and he doesn't care.
Likely: That Trump is actively pro Russia.
Realist conclusion: It is obvious that USA is not willing to risk a single soldier's life over where that boundary is drawn in this war.
Next realist conclusion: It is not yet obvious that a single large 'western' (NATO) country is willing to either.
'Security guarantees' means risking your soldiers' lives. No western leader has yet said so. When they do we shall know they are serious.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Thank you for expressing this so well. This is my sentiment as well.
Indeed - no flags in East Ham either - well, apart from the Palestinian, Romanian and LTTE flags.
It’s not those flags that seem to be problematic.
Round here none on our estate although it’s quite a middle class estate. Wouldn’t bother me if there were.
On the next estate there’s a guy flying an England flag but has been doing it for years.
On the main A167 quite a few flags flying.
My main gripe is the people putting them up call the cable ties ‘zip ties’. FFS.
How long until they all look torn, tatty and absolutely shit?
Because a shiny sixpence says that the people who put them up in this massive display of patriotism have zero plans to look after them.
Or remove them from illegal postings on public property. So the council have to do it. Which costs money, directly and indirectly (in time wasted that should have been spent on other things).
I thought the right on PB were against wasting public money on flag symbolism?
I like the idea of pasting flags to uncollected bin bags, or painting them in long-standing pot holes.
We've suddenly had a load of flags put up on lampposts, the Union Flag along one side of the high street and the England flag the other. A councillor was on Facebook promoting it. I wonder if the council has given permission with the pretext of the Women's Rugby WC to prevent some of the nastiness that seems to have happened in some places
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Thank you for expressing this so well. This is my sentiment as well.
Indeed - no flags in East Ham either - well, apart from the Palestinian, Romanian and LTTE flags.
It’s not those flags that seem to be problematic.
Round here none on our estate although it’s quite a middle class estate. Wouldn’t bother me if there were.
On the next estate there’s a guy flying an England flag but has been doing it for years.
On the main A167 quite a few flags flying.
My main gripe is the people putting them up call the cable ties ‘zip ties’. FFS.
I think we all know what the "problem" is with the flags.
It's part of a resurgence of nativist politics which is strong on English (not British) cultural identity. It goes with concerns over ethnic and demographic balance (such as those proposing we give money to white women to have babies) as well as remigration, voluntary repatriation or deportation which at one end is about illegal asylum seekers and foreigners in British jails and goes to the extreme of wanting to deport, for example, the entire British Islanic community which I've seen suggested.
At the moment, this is the extreme end - even Farage has admitted mass deportations aren't possible or practical but there's clearly a groundswell of opinion along the lines of "everything will be all right if we throw out the foreigners".
The debate has moved from immigration to integration and the very real concerns people have about how mass immigration has changed the social profile of their communities (even though this has been a regular feature of British life in the past couple of centuries). I suspect the Labour Government will pivot to a Danish-style policy in time but the stable door is swinging off its hinges and the horse is through the next field.
It’s interesting to see how these concerns are now accepted as genuine whereas a few years ago people, including a fair few here, would use ‘real concerns’ as a euphemism to imply whole communities are racist.
If you cede debate and discussion, by refusing to engage and demonising people with different views, then it will create a gap that will be filled by the extremes who don’t care and just want a ruck like the EDL and SWP brigade.
As KJH said earlier. Our flag in England had been hi jacked by the far right. I think the Scots and Welsh didn’t have the same issue. I felt our flag started coming home in Euro 96 and after that when people had those tacky flags flying on their cars due to soccer tournaments.
Yes and failing to properly address the concerns of those who saw their communties change out of all recognition rapidly after 2004 is something for which all political parties need to accept responsibility.
I've witnessed huge changes in my part of East Ham in the 20 years I've lived here - oddly enough, the British are returning as it is a relatively cheap part of London in which to live. The Poles and Baltics are gone to be replaced by Romanians and Bulgarians - all this in a generation.
We've had such change before and we know it has caused problems - the emergence of West Indian populations in Brixton and Notting Hill, the Irish in Kilburn and even the refugee Poles in Southall as well as the emigre Czechs and Slovaks in North London. London has always welcomed incomers (and their income to be fair) but the bewildering numbers and pace of change in a Europe of Freedom of Movement was too much for many people in their communities.
Outside London, where there has been less exposure to this, I can appreciate how provincial England has been alarmed.
This is why S Korea cancelled its order for AH-64s.
Meanwhile, another legacy from previous government.
DE&S accepts final AH-64E Apache helicopter for British Army https://des.mod.uk/apache-ah-64e-british-army-boeing-helicopter/ The 50th AH-64E Apache has been secured for the British Army, completing the new fleet of the world’s most advanced attack helicopter.
The final Apache was handed over to DE&S at Boeing’s manufacturing facility in Arizona, USA. The UK’s operational fleet is now fully established at the Army’s Wattisham Flying Station in Suffolk, while the training fleet is complete at the Army Aviation Centre in Middle Wallop, Hampshire...
Redundant before deployment. As I have said before I really don't know how the MOD copes in a world of fast developing technologies, it is so far from fit for purpose we may need to start again.
In this one-minute clip from The Rest is Politics, Rory suggests most pundits are wrongly framing Trump's position on Ukraine, which leads them to say he was outmanoeuvred. Looked at from another angle, Trump might be succeeding.
FWIW I think Rory is about right. He has been on this line for a time.
Two things, one certain, the other likely. Certain: Trump thinks Europe is two power blocs, Russian and western and that exactly where the dividing line comes somewhere in central Europe - which is in fact what the current war is about in his mind - is a matter for Europe and he doesn't care.
Likely: That Trump is actively pro Russia.
Realist conclusion: It is obvious that USA is not willing to risk a single soldier's life over where that boundary is drawn in this war.
Next realist conclusion: It is not yet obvious that a single large 'western' (NATO) country is willing to either.
'Security guarantees' means risking your soldiers' lives. No western leader has yet said so. When they do we shall know they are serious.
If Trump is pro-Russia, it might be for geo-political reasons, or because of KGB kompromat, but perhaps more likely is that he wants to do more business with Russian oligarchs.
But yes, Trump hates war. MAGA and trad-GOP are isolationist. It is the Neocon wing that has a beef with Russia, and its proponent John Bolton has just been raided by the FBI.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
Yes. No more two tier PB. We all post under a name of choice. All posting histories accessible. If you don't want it there don't post it.
I don’t like the “mandatory public profile” rule. But if the moderators insist, I will accept it. Their site, their rules
What I objected to was the idea of me alone being brutally and politically persecuted, like some kind of PB Lucy Connolly, or Nelson Mandela
However in fairness @TSE has apparently now made @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and everyone else public. So I shall not complain
Yes this isn't about you. It's about equality and transparency. It's great to be able to go and review a person's body of work (which is what their posting history is). I do it all the time. When I have a spare hour or two I'll pick a poster (could even be you now although probably not) and review their body of work. It's a useful and rewarding exercise. Keeps me plugged in.
It does sound a tad creepy, to be honest, and I doubt anyone bothers with my posts. In the early days, some things did make me wonder if someone (*cough* CCHQ *cough*) might be archiving posts to later weaponise.
In this one-minute clip from The Rest is Politics, Rory suggests most pundits are wrongly framing Trump's position on Ukraine, which leads them to say he was outmanoeuvred. Looked at from another angle, Trump might be succeeding.
FWIW I think Rory is about right. He has been on this line for a time.
Two things, one certain, the other likely. Certain: Trump thinks Europe is two power blocs, Russian and western and that exactly where the dividing line comes somewhere in central Europe - which is in fact what the current war is about in his mind - is a matter for Europe and he doesn't care.
Likely: That Trump is actively pro Russia.
Realist conclusion: It is obvious that USA is not willing to risk a single soldier's life over where that boundary is drawn in this war.
Next realist conclusion: It is not yet obvious that a single large 'western' (NATO) country is willing to either.
'Security guarantees' means risking your soldiers' lives. No western leader has yet said so. When they do we shall know they are serious.
Rory is such a loss to front line politics. We desperately need people like him, people capable of actually thinking and analysing the problems we have.
I agree with him that Trump really doesn't care about Europe, the Ukraine or NATO. As far as he is concerned why should US resources be wasted on this? What's in it for them? As Charles De Gaulle said, "countries have interests, not friends." On this it is us that are deluding ourselves, not Trump. If Europe decides it has an interest in preventing Russia's aggression in Ukraine succeeding, and we do, we must do something about it. Expecting the Americans to bail us out is both pathetic and unrealistic.
This is why S Korea cancelled its order for AH-64s.
Meanwhile, another legacy from previous government.
DE&S accepts final AH-64E Apache helicopter for British Army https://des.mod.uk/apache-ah-64e-british-army-boeing-helicopter/ The 50th AH-64E Apache has been secured for the British Army, completing the new fleet of the world’s most advanced attack helicopter.
The final Apache was handed over to DE&S at Boeing’s manufacturing facility in Arizona, USA. The UK’s operational fleet is now fully established at the Army’s Wattisham Flying Station in Suffolk, while the training fleet is complete at the Army Aviation Centre in Middle Wallop, Hampshire...
Redundant before deployment. As I have said before I really don't know how the MOD copes in a world of fast developing technologies, it is so far from fit for purpose we may need to start again.
There is something in that, but equally we shouldn't assume that all future conflicts will follow the SMO template - Passchendaele plus fibre optic FPVs. There are reasons it's turned put like it had which may not be universally applicable. If either side had been able to assert air superiority over the FLOT/FLET are then those drones wouldn't count for shit.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
@roger would know on that but with soaps the big money came when you were an established character when they came to renew the contract.
This is why S Korea cancelled its order for AH-64s.
Meanwhile, another legacy from previous government.
DE&S accepts final AH-64E Apache helicopter for British Army https://des.mod.uk/apache-ah-64e-british-army-boeing-helicopter/ The 50th AH-64E Apache has been secured for the British Army, completing the new fleet of the world’s most advanced attack helicopter.
The final Apache was handed over to DE&S at Boeing’s manufacturing facility in Arizona, USA. The UK’s operational fleet is now fully established at the Army’s Wattisham Flying Station in Suffolk, while the training fleet is complete at the Army Aviation Centre in Middle Wallop, Hampshire...
Redundant before deployment. As I have said before I really don't know how the MOD copes in a world of fast developing technologies, it is so far from fit for purpose we may need to start again.
There is something in that, but equally we shouldn't assume that all future conflicts will follow the SMO template - Passchendaele plus fibre optic FPVs. There are reasons it's turned put like it had which may not be universally applicable. If either side had been able to assert air superiority over the FLOT/FLET are then those drones wouldn't count for shit.
I think that the Passchendaele bit is what we are likely to see less of going forward. The battlefield is simply becoming a place where flesh and blood cannot survive. Wars will become more and more technologically driven until the AIs take over and wipe us out.
Looks like the Stevenage “fire bomb” report has been verified
“Hertfordshire Police has confirmed to @GBNEWS that it is investigating reports of an assault overnight in Stevenage.
Chief Inspector Sarah Gilbertson said: “It appears that the victim was struck by a glass bottle containing a lit rag and sustained a cut to his head.””
That was an attack on the flag hangers. Stage 3, David Betz Effect
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
@roger would know on that but with soaps the big money came when you were an established character when they came to renew the contract.
Which means that, for most actors, the big money never comes. Or comes once in a lifetime.
Not limited to showbiz- the megasalaries at the top of most professions don't make sense in terms of motivating their recepients, or have much to do with the value they add to those individuals. They make excellent sense as a carrot to dangle before all the minions lower down the food chain.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
@roger would know on that but with soaps the big money came when you were an established character when they came to renew the contract.
Which means that, for most actors, the big money never comes. Or comes once in a lifetime.
Not limited to showbiz- the megasalaries at the top of most professions don't make sense in terms of motivating their recepients, or have much to do with the value they add to those individuals. They make excellent sense as a carrot to dangle before all the minions lower down the food chain.
Absolutely
Tom Baker had been in movies and on TV but was working on a building site when he landed Dr Who.
This interview with Paterson Joseph, a very successful actor, is similar.
After a stint on Broadway, PATERSON JOSEPH had to work on a building site
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
That’s fine. I made mine private when that sozzled loon Ishmael was stalking my every post. The only person online I’ve ever felt wary about knowing stuff about me and I used to post regularly on DrWho,and Pro Wrestling forums.
I always assumed people with private profiles wanted to hide their historic posts. And the few people with private profiles usually had obvious reasons for wanting their historic posts private.
Looks like the Stevenage “fire bomb” report has been verified
“Hertfordshire Police has confirmed to @GBNEWS that it is investigating reports of an assault overnight in Stevenage.
Chief Inspector Sarah Gilbertson said: “It appears that the victim was struck by a glass bottle containing a lit rag and sustained a cut to his head.””
That was an attack on the flag hangers. Stage 3, David Betz Effect
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
Didn’t that happen to Alec Guinness with Star Wars. He took a small salary but ended with a percentage of the gross which was millions. Earned more from that than his entire career beforehand.
Many years ago, but not so long that it was a different universe I was an IFA and I had a client, a wealthy old hen in Ilford. She used to quite enjoy calling me out to see her and tease a big investment without ever committing more than a PEP, but I did get a nice supper made for me every time. Anyway, she used to tell me how 'they' were getting closer, just 3 streets away you know as she waved her hand off in a vague direction indicating where they might be found. I never really got the impression this was apocalyptic to her but just inevitable. The upshot of it is that she really just wanted to chat about how everything was changing and very different from when she was young (she lived in her family home). I guess Ilford (and many other places of course) then is much like a lot of Britain now and people notice change and want to talk about it, to consider it, to analyse it and to process it. Of course they are often being portrayed as dreadful human beings for doing so. And that's the breeding ground for massive discontent. You have to entusiastically welcome it like its a lifetime supply of cake or you have to be so disgusted by it you'll climb a lamppost to tie a flag to it and honk like a tit at some fellas on a bridge holding banners. What a ridiculous country.
This post has no purpose, I just fancied typing it out. You know, to process this stupid country as it is. I already know I'm dreadful though.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
That’s fine. I made mine private when that sozzled loon Ishmael was stalking my every post. The only person online I’ve ever felt wary about knowing stuff about me and I used to post regularly on DrWho,and Pro Wrestling forums.
I always assumed people with private profiles wanted to hide their historic posts. And the few people with private profiles usually had obvious reasons for wanting their historic posts private.
Wasn’t there a poster on here living in permanent fear of being cancelled who wanted to delete his somewhat ‘spicy’ posting history?
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
That’s fine. I made mine private when that sozzled loon Ishmael was stalking my every post. The only person online I’ve ever felt wary about knowing stuff about me and I used to post regularly on DrWho,and Pro Wrestling forums.
I always assumed people with private profiles wanted to hide their historic posts. And the few people with private profiles usually had obvious reasons for wanting their historic posts private.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
Just as a matter of curiosity, why do you want your profile private ? I don't think it makes public any actual private information ?
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
Didn’t that happen to Alec Guinness with Star Wars. He took a small salary but ended with a percentage of the gross which was millions. Earned more from that than his entire career beforehand.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
Just as a matter of curiosity, why do you want your profile private ? I don't think it makes public any actual private information ?
I’m essentially a shy person, as you’ve surely noticed. Introverted, reticent and wary, I never like to reveal personal details about anything, I’m not one to boast or strut or parade about. Let alone show photos of my latest interior decoration job or glamorous foreign assignment
No sir. Not me. It makes me cringe. So I just prefer to stay as anonymous as possible
In this one-minute clip from The Rest is Politics, Rory suggests most pundits are wrongly framing Trump's position on Ukraine, which leads them to say he was outmanoeuvred. Looked at from another angle, Trump might be succeeding.
FWIW I think Rory is about right. He has been on this line for a time.
Two things, one certain, the other likely. Certain: Trump thinks Europe is two power blocs, Russian and western and that exactly where the dividing line comes somewhere in central Europe - which is in fact what the current war is about in his mind - is a matter for Europe and he doesn't care.
Likely: That Trump is actively pro Russia.
Realist conclusion: It is obvious that USA is not willing to risk a single soldier's life over where that boundary is drawn in this war.
Next realist conclusion: It is not yet obvious that a single large 'western' (NATO) country is willing to either.
'Security guarantees' means risking your soldiers' lives. No western leader has yet said so. When they do we shall know they are serious.
Rory is such a loss to front line politics. We desperately need people like him, people capable of actually thinking and analysing the problems we have.
I agree with him that Trump really doesn't care about Europe, the Ukraine or NATO. As far as he is concerned why should US resources be wasted on this? What's in it for them? As Charles De Gaulle said, "countries have interests, not friends." On this it is us that are deluding ourselves, not Trump. If Europe decides it has an interest in preventing Russia's aggression in Ukraine succeeding, and we do, we must do something about it. Expecting the Americans to bail us out is both pathetic and unrealistic.
This Rory Stewart:
Kamala Harris will win comfortably, because:
• Biden’s admin has been solid • Trump’s lost ground since 2016 • The young Black male votes which Trump needs didn’t turn out in 16, 18, 20, or 22 • Young women like Kamala + vote ✴️Ignore polls—they’re herding, after past misses
Stewart is the type of 'expert' who sees nothing wrong with unrestricted illegal immigration but gets upset about the possibility of them being deported.
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Newham Town Hall still proudly flies the Union Jack and the rather uninspiring Newham Borough flag (the Cross of St Piran it isnt).
A lot can change in 3-4 years, how the public will want to vote then hasn't been decided yet. All options are possible.
Round here none on our estate although it’s quite a middle class estate. Wouldn’t bother me if there were.
On the next estate there’s a guy flying an England flag but has been doing it for years.
On the main A167 quite a few flags flying.
My main gripe is the people putting them up call the cable ties ‘zip ties’. FFS.
Because a shiny sixpence says that the people who put them up in this massive display of patriotism have zero plans to look after them.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
It's part of a resurgence of nativist politics which is strong on English (not British) cultural identity. It goes with concerns over ethnic and demographic balance (such as those proposing we give money to white women to have babies) as well as remigration, voluntary repatriation or deportation which at one end is about illegal asylum seekers and foreigners in British jails and goes to the extreme of wanting to deport, for example, the entire British Islanic community which I've seen suggested.
At the moment, this is the extreme end - even Farage has admitted mass deportations aren't possible or practical but there's clearly a groundswell of opinion along the lines of "everything will be all right if we throw out the foreigners".
The debate has moved from immigration to integration and the very real concerns people have about how mass immigration has changed the social profile of their communities (even though this has been a regular feature of British life in the past couple of centuries). I suspect the Labour Government will pivot to a Danish-style policy in time but the stable door is swinging off its hinges and the horse is through the next field.
One of the most PB-worthy debates ever could be that over flying the Saltire as a jack on CalMac ferries. It means "My vessel is stopped; making no way" as a signal flag.
Calling her sentence 'Morally repugnant' might seem OK today but in three years it could sound quite shocking. Who knows we might even be a more tolerant country by then. 48 sheet posters all over the land with Connolly's words endorsed by a sweaty grinning Farage could leave him quite a hostage to fortune-if not looking quite 'morally repugnant'
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
Of course Reform's poll lead could also narrow or disappear
The fact that we even have to comment on whether it bothers us or not is an issue in its own right.
I don't have a flag, but if my house had a flag pole I guess I might use it, but if the flag gets hijacked again I probably wouldn't.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
If so, well done
eg @Roger
And
@Eabhal
And
@Dura_Ace
So if you’re going to make my profile public right now, you don’t have to wait for your visit to a laptop, you can make theirs public as well, as we chat
I don't even know what's going to happen in next year's London Council elections.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
But are mandatory public profiles ideal?
Better would be a setting that is private from outside PB but public inside PB. Does Vanilla offer granularity on privacy settings?
By the way you do realise you can search vanilla by keyword? So, if you remember a comment well enough, it’s really not hard to find. And “privacy” does not stop you searching any comments with that method
Since the profile just links to your posts, that seems reasonable to have public.
Having the email public, unless you used a fake email address to sign up which defeats the point, is insane.
Weird though to have them as user settings but a rule against using them. Certainly I was not aware it was a rule not to use that setting, not that I have.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9vd3rx33g1o
Seems "mass deportations" are back on the agenda. I presume Farage has already worked out what to do if the first planeload of returnees to Eritrea is refused permission to enter Eritrean airspace or land at Asmara Airport or will we see some money go to Eritrea in lieu of permission and once the returnees are put off the plane and executed on the runway, I imagine Farage will claim it a success for his policy?
The key is the deterrence much as it was with the threats of Rwanda (which did seem, on limited evidence admittedly) to have some impact. Farage is hoping the threat will be enough to stop the illegal crossings - he may be right but he also know there will be legal challenges aplenty.
The current trend is towards the USA being isolated, and self-isolating. That gives the other Eyes a precedent for anything they wish to do.
If anything that will increase the push towards the creation of routes around the USA.
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Especially if you say something like 'see my post from earlier today' then checking the profile works well for that, searching does not.
Fair play. You did it
If you cede debate and discussion, by refusing to engage and demonising people with different views, then it will create a gap that will be filled by the extremes who don’t care and just want a ruck like the EDL and SWP brigade.
As KJH said earlier. Our flag in England had been hi jacked by the far right. I think the Scots and Welsh didn’t have the same issue. I felt our flag started coming home in Euro 96 and after that when people had those tacky flags flying on their cars due to soccer tournaments.
The Tories have had most seats in an MRP this year and been in an effective 3 way tie for seats in one within the last 5 months. The idea that its unthinkable is just daft. Poll recency bias strikes.
You can probably tie their chances of most seats to your assessment of how likely Reform are to implode.
I thought the right on PB were against wasting public money on flag symbolism?
What I objected to was the idea of me alone being brutally and politically persecuted, like some kind of PB Lucy Connolly, or Nelson Mandela
However in fairness @TSE has apparently now made @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and everyone else public. So I shall not complain
I’d probably add Solzhenitsyn to the list. Exactly like me, he spent a surprising amount of time in northern Kazakhstan
PS Just to make clear I don't post on Dr Who and Pro Wrestling forums.
In the old usenet days RSPW was a strange place especially during the Monday Night wars. People supported their wrestling feds far more tribally than people support their football teams.
It goes on now but to a smaller degree.
In other news, I am sitting out in central London enjoying a cooler morning than of late; there are no flags out anywhere to be seen, no-one is trying to steal my phone despite my typing away on PB, and life goes on as usual with no hint of either imminent civil strife or economic collapse. There are even people of different ethnic background all out enjoying the late summer day together.
Interestingly I tried to pay the fish man on the quay in cash but he wanted me to pay on card because he didn’t have any change. Go figure.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3hXWDJKXS28
In this one-minute clip from The Rest is Politics, Rory suggests most pundits are wrongly framing Trump's position on Ukraine, which leads them to say he was outmanoeuvred. Looked at from another angle, Trump might be succeeding.
As to betting, the market makers (bookies to me) don't have some special knowledge we don't have to rig the market. They are a genuinely useful guide to what informed people think - just like 30 year gilts is a better guide to informed opinion, and therefore likely and possible outcomes, than the Daily Mail.
Two things, one certain, the other likely. Certain: Trump thinks Europe is two power blocs, Russian and western and that exactly where the dividing line comes somewhere in central Europe - which is in fact what the current war is about in his mind - is a matter for Europe and he doesn't care.
Likely: That Trump is actively pro Russia.
Realist conclusion: It is obvious that USA is not willing to risk a single soldier's life over where that boundary is drawn in this war.
Next realist conclusion: It is not yet obvious that a single large 'western' (NATO) country is willing to either.
'Security guarantees' means risking your soldiers' lives. No western leader has yet said so. When they do we shall know they are serious.
I've witnessed huge changes in my part of East Ham in the 20 years I've lived here - oddly enough, the British are returning as it is a relatively cheap part of London in which to live. The Poles and Baltics are gone to be replaced by Romanians and Bulgarians - all this in a generation.
We've had such change before and we know it has caused problems - the emergence of West Indian populations in Brixton and Notting Hill, the Irish in Kilburn and even the refugee Poles in Southall as well as the emigre Czechs and Slovaks in North London. London has always welcomed incomers (and their income to be fair) but the bewildering numbers and pace of change in a Europe of Freedom of Movement was too much for many people in their communities.
Outside London, where there has been less exposure to this, I can appreciate how provincial England has been alarmed.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/gants-hill-fire-restaurant-ilford-london-fire-brigade-b1244213.html
This is in Sunil's manor, not far from Wes Streeting's constituency office.
But yes, Trump hates war. MAGA and trad-GOP are isolationist. It is the Neocon wing that has a beef with Russia, and its proponent John Bolton has just been raided by the FBI.
I agree with him that Trump really doesn't care about Europe, the Ukraine or NATO. As far as he is concerned why should US resources be wasted on this? What's in it for them? As Charles De Gaulle said, "countries have interests, not friends." On this it is us that are deluding ourselves, not Trump. If Europe decides it has an interest in preventing Russia's aggression in Ukraine succeeding, and we do, we must do something about it. Expecting the Americans to bail us out is both pathetic and unrealistic.
“Hertfordshire Police has confirmed to @GBNEWS that it is investigating reports of an assault overnight in Stevenage.
Chief Inspector Sarah Gilbertson said: “It appears that the victim was struck by a glass bottle containing a lit rag and sustained a cut to his head.””
That was an attack on the flag hangers. Stage 3, David Betz Effect
https://x.com/cdp1882/status/1959220521897467983?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Not limited to showbiz- the megasalaries at the top of most professions don't make sense in terms of motivating their recepients, or have much to do with the value they add to those individuals. They make excellent sense as a carrot to dangle before all the minions lower down the food chain.
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
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Tom Baker had been in movies and on TV but was working on a building site when he landed Dr Who.
This interview with Paterson Joseph, a very successful actor, is similar.
After a stint on Broadway, PATERSON JOSEPH had to work on a building site
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/meandmymoney/article-15006171/After-stint-Broadway-PATERSON-JOSEPH-work-building-site.html
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The upshot of it is that she really just wanted to chat about how everything was changing and very different from when she was young (she lived in her family home).
I guess Ilford (and many other places of course) then is much like a lot of Britain now and people notice change and want to talk about it, to consider it, to analyse it and to process it. Of course they are often being portrayed as dreadful human beings for doing so. And that's the breeding ground for massive discontent.
You have to entusiastically welcome it like its a lifetime supply of cake or you have to be so disgusted by it you'll climb a lamppost to tie a flag to it and honk like a tit at some fellas on a bridge holding banners. What a ridiculous country.
This post has no purpose, I just fancied typing it out. You know, to process this stupid country as it is. I already know I'm dreadful though.
And as I write this six vans of police riot squad - territorial support group - have just gone shrieking past my window in NW1
Interesting times, huh
I don't think it makes public any actual private information ?
Protection Sir !!
No sir. Not me. It makes me cringe. So I just prefer to stay as anonymous as possible
Kamala Harris will win comfortably, because:
• Biden’s admin has been solid
• Trump’s lost ground since 2016
• The young Black male votes which Trump needs didn’t turn out in 16, 18, 20, or 22
• Young women like Kamala + vote
✴️Ignore polls—they’re herding, after past misses
https://x.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1853325635747266782?lang=en-GB
Stewart is the type of 'expert' who sees nothing wrong with unrestricted illegal immigration but gets upset about the possibility of them being deported.