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The Times They Are A’Changing – politicalbetting.com

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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,828
    Good morning, everyone.

    Cheers for the update. Will the change protect us from the lunatics who ridiculously assert that Caesar was a better general than Hannibal?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,280
    edited August 16

    Good morning, everyone.

    Cheers for the update. Will the change protect us from the lunatics who ridiculously assert that Caesar was a better general than Hannibal?

    Only Caesar ?
    Yes that's lunacy. There are many.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,828
    Nigelb said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Cheers for the update. Will the change protect us from the lunatics who ridiculously assert that Caesar was a better general than Hannibal?

    Only Caesar ?
    Yes that's lunacy. There are many.
    Make your cases, if you will.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,836
    When I first read the headline, I thought the Times newspaper was about to undergo some drastic change.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,885
    If it goes wrong, will we get an update called 'The Times They Are Annoying?'
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,885

    Nigelb said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Cheers for the update. Will the change protect us from the lunatics who ridiculously assert that Caesar was a better general than Hannibal?

    Only Caesar ?
    Yes that's lunacy. There are many.
    Make your cases, if you will.
    Will somebody put the boot in on behalf of Wellington?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,495
    Good luck Robert with the infrastructure updates, makes sense these days to sit behind Cloudflare for hosting.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,885
    AnneJGP said:

    When I first read the headline, I thought the Times newspaper was about to undergo some drastic change.

    It's going to have actual news in it again? :hushed:
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,300

    Good morning, everyone.

    Cheers for the update. Will the change protect us from the lunatics who ridiculously assert that Caesar was a better general than Hannibal?

    One saw his name become a byword for Emperor, the other lost a war and died of shame.

    Plus I don't like Hannibal's lack of modesty, this is is the sort of arrogance/hubris that leads to an epic defeat.

    According to Plutarch, Scipio asked Hannibal "who the greatest general was", to which Hannibal replied "either Alexander or Pyrrhus, then myself".
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,210
    AnneJGP said:

    When I first read the headline, I thought the Times newspaper was about to undergo some drastic change.

    You are a bit late to that one. It started putting news on the front page in 1966; I remember the transition well. Life has never been the same. Have there been any changes since that I should know about? Is Bernard Levin still around?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,375
    edited August 16

    Good morning, everyone.

    Cheers for the update. Will the change protect us from the lunatics who ridiculously assert that Caesar was a better general than Hannibal?

    Hannibal really started declining in effectiveness when they ran out of schemes to get Murdock out of the insane asylum
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,828

    Good morning, everyone.

    Cheers for the update. Will the change protect us from the lunatics who ridiculously assert that Caesar was a better general than Hannibal?

    One saw his name become a byword for Emperor, the other lost a war and died of shame.

    Plus I don't like Hannibal's lack of modesty, this is is the sort of arrogance/hubris that leads to an epic defeat.

    According to Plutarch, Scipio asked Hannibal "who the greatest general was", to which Hannibal replied "either Alexander or Pyrrhus, then myself".
    There are differing versions of that, I believe in one says that if Scipio defeated him then Scipio would be the greatest. (One tradition has it from before Zama, the other when the two met at the court of Antiochos III, years down the line).
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,885

    Good morning, everyone.

    Cheers for the update. Will the change protect us from the lunatics who ridiculously assert that Caesar was a better general than Hannibal?

    One saw his name become a byword for Emperor, the other lost a war and died of shame.

    Plus I don't like Hannibal's lack of modesty, this is is the sort of arrogance/hubris that leads to an epic defeat.

    According to Plutarch, Scipio asked Hannibal "who the greatest general was", to which Hannibal replied "either Alexander or Pyrrhus, then myself".
    Illogical.

    Surely it should have been 'Alexander or Pyrrhus, then the other, *THEN* myself.'
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,198
    edited August 16
    Thanks Robert.

    Can you slow it down from NW London? :wink:

    If I have my locations correct, that should give Kinabalu and the Leons their own private bear pit.

    And if it doesn't, we can put them in the bear pit at the Sheffield Botanical Gardens.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,901

    Good morning, everyone.

    Cheers for the update. Will the change protect us from the lunatics who ridiculously assert that Caesar was a better general than Hannibal?

    One saw his name become a byword for Emperor, the other lost a war and died of shame.

    Plus I don't like Hannibal's lack of modesty, this is is the sort of arrogance/hubris that leads to an epic defeat.

    According to Plutarch, Scipio asked Hannibal "who the greatest general was", to which Hannibal replied "either Alexander or Pyrrhus, then myself".
    There are differing versions of that, I believe in one says that if Scipio defeated him then Scipio would be the greatest. (One tradition has it from before Zama, the other when the two met at the court of Antiochos III, years down the line).
    My instant reaction to TSE's tweet was to ask 'But when DID they meet?' and now you've disposed of that. Many thanks.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,640
    algarkirk said:

    AnneJGP said:

    When I first read the headline, I thought the Times newspaper was about to undergo some drastic change.

    You are a bit late to that one. It started putting news on the front page in 1966; I remember the transition well. Life has never been the same.
    Natonal news only. International news further in. You had to reach page 13 to discover JFK had been shot...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,885
    MattW said:

    Thanks Robert.

    Can you slow it down from NW London? :wink:

    To 20 mph or are we going for a lower limit?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,445

    FPT:

    kamski said:

    Cicero said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield

    Trump Treats War Criminal Dictator Putin Like Royalty – And Still Fails To Get Ceasefire

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1956601745447993589

    There is quite the media backlash in Washington this morning. Trump´s obvious humiliation has ticked off quite a few, even on his own side. The pushback against the Russian offensive may yet see this period as a dark period before some kind of dawn. Another massacre of North Korean mercenaries and a significant Russian defeat means that Putin will not be as happy as all that even after his insolent trolling of the West.
    Good morning

    My reading of the summit was Putin got all he wanted, and Trump ended with empty rhetoric by responding saying it's now upto Zelensky and Europe

    What we are witnessing is Trump passing on the responsibility for Ukraine and Europe and whilst he will provide armaments to the EU, they will have to buy them from him as Europe looks at enormous defence spending and sole responsibility for Ukraine and the Baltic's security

    Frankly and depressingly Ukraine and Europe are on their own now
    The tough sanctions on Russia (and secondary sanctions) that Trump imposed last night following Putin's failure to agree a ceasefire are good news for Ukraine.

    Though I strangely can't find any mention of them on the BBC - probably because of their woke orangemanbad propaganda
    Sanctions are not working though
    Are they not?

    It depends on what you expected them to achieve. If you expected them to bring Russia to its knees within a couple of weeks, then they obviously have not worked. But I'd argue that was a silly expectation (unless Putin saw them as a foreshadowing of more to come and folded).

    If you expected sanctions to hurt Russia, and to make it much harder for them to prosecute the war, then that is what has happened. Russia's economy is in the toilet, and the cost of the war is much higher than it would be without sanctions. This reduces the amount of war Russia can do. Yes, they can still get the chips and other things they need, though in smaller quantities, more expense, unknown quality, and with a longer lead time, than it would if they purchased them directly from the west. They can still sell oil, but at a reduced price and by using expensive and unreliable grey and black fleets at increased cost.

    Then there's another aspect to sanctions: they act as a carrot as well as a stick. If Putin and Russia behaves, sanctions can be loosened or even removed.

    Yes, the sanctions against the Russian regime could be harsher. But have they been useful? Hell, yes.
    One of the reasons the mood of the nation (and world?) is as scratchy as it is is our collective impatience. Some (not all, but some) of Starmer's problem is that he's been in office for OVER A YEAR and the land still isn't flowing with milk and honey.

    Well duh.

    How much that is the curse of permanews, and how much it's technology and Amazon causing us to expect instant delivery, I don't know. But it's not just about politics, and I doubt that it's good for us.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,499
    The good news is that in a couple of weeks or so we'll find out the cause of autism!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,885
    kamski said:

    The good news is that in a couple of weeks or so we'll find out the cause of autism!

    In that case it's a great shame @rcs1000 didn't put PB behind cloudflare years ago.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,499
    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    The good news is that in a couple of weeks or so we'll find out the cause of autism!

    In that case it's a great shame @rcs1000 didn't put PB behind cloudflare years ago.
    I've thought about this, and I still don't get it
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,724
    ydoethur said:

    AnneJGP said:

    When I first read the headline, I thought the Times newspaper was about to undergo some drastic change.

    It's going to have actual news in it again? :hushed:
    The Times exists solely so people can say 'at least it's not the Telegraph'.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,885
    edited August 16
    kamski said:

    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    The good news is that in a couple of weeks or so we'll find out the cause of autism!

    In that case it's a great shame @rcs1000 didn't put PB behind cloudflare years ago.
    I've thought about this, and I still don't get it
    The implication of your bald statement, taken conjunction with the thread header, was that the technical changes in PB would let us find out the causes of autism.

    I was suggesting that if that is all that was required, it would have been great if it could have happened earlier.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,499
    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    The good news is that in a couple of weeks or so we'll find out the cause of autism!

    In that case it's a great shame @rcs1000 didn't put PB behind cloudflare years ago.
    I've thought about this, and I still don't get it
    The implication of your bald statement, taken conjunction with the thread header, was that the technical changes in PB would let us find out the causes of autism.

    I was suggesting that if that is all that was required, it would have been great if it could have happened earlier.
    I see. I still have no idea what cloudfare is, nor how you can be behind it, but never mind.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,724

    FPT:

    kamski said:

    Cicero said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield

    Trump Treats War Criminal Dictator Putin Like Royalty – And Still Fails To Get Ceasefire

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1956601745447993589

    There is quite the media backlash in Washington this morning. Trump´s obvious humiliation has ticked off quite a few, even on his own side. The pushback against the Russian offensive may yet see this period as a dark period before some kind of dawn. Another massacre of North Korean mercenaries and a significant Russian defeat means that Putin will not be as happy as all that even after his insolent trolling of the West.
    Good morning

    My reading of the summit was Putin got all he wanted, and Trump ended with empty rhetoric by responding saying it's now upto Zelensky and Europe

    What we are witnessing is Trump passing on the responsibility for Ukraine and Europe and whilst he will provide armaments to the EU, they will have to buy them from him as Europe looks at enormous defence spending and sole responsibility for Ukraine and the Baltic's security

    Frankly and depressingly Ukraine and Europe are on their own now
    The tough sanctions on Russia (and secondary sanctions) that Trump imposed last night following Putin's failure to agree a ceasefire are good news for Ukraine.

    Though I strangely can't find any mention of them on the BBC - probably because of their woke orangemanbad propaganda
    Sanctions are not working though
    Are they not?

    It depends on what you expected them to achieve. If you expected them to bring Russia to its knees within a couple of weeks, then they obviously have not worked. But I'd argue that was a silly expectation (unless Putin saw them as a foreshadowing of more to come and folded).

    If you expected sanctions to hurt Russia, and to make it much harder for them to prosecute the war, then that is what has happened. Russia's economy is in the toilet, and the cost of the war is much higher than it would be without sanctions. This reduces the amount of war Russia can do. Yes, they can still get the chips and other things they need, though in smaller quantities, more expense, unknown quality, and with a longer lead time, than it would if they purchased them directly from the west. They can still sell oil, but at a reduced price and by using expensive and unreliable grey and black fleets at increased cost.

    Then there's another aspect to sanctions: they act as a carrot as well as a stick. If Putin and Russia behaves, sanctions can be loosened or even removed.

    Yes, the sanctions against the Russian regime could be harsher. But have they been useful? Hell, yes.
    One of the reasons the mood of the nation (and world?) is as scratchy as it is is our collective impatience. Some (not all, but some) of Starmer's problem is that he's been in office for OVER A YEAR and the land still isn't flowing with milk and honey.

    Well duh.

    How much that is the curse of permanews, and how much it's technology and Amazon causing us to expect instant delivery, I don't know. But it's not just about politics, and I doubt that it's good for us.
    Antipathy to deferred gratification has been on the rise for years, and with it a refusal to accept that X may have to give to provide Y.
    An example I think I've mentioned before on my neighbourhood FB page:

    What the fck is the council doing about the disgraceful potholes on my road?

    Same people:

    Why the fck has my road been coned off for resurfacing forcing me to park elsewhere?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,836

    ydoethur said:

    AnneJGP said:

    When I first read the headline, I thought the Times newspaper was about to undergo some drastic change.

    It's going to have actual news in it again? :hushed:
    The Times exists solely so people can say 'at least it's not the Telegraph'.
    I thought it was for the crosswords.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,831

    Good morning, everyone.

    Cheers for the update. Will the change protect us from the lunatics who ridiculously assert that Caesar was a better general than Hannibal?

    Hannibal really started declining in effectiveness when they ran out of schemes to get Murdock out of the insane asylum
    Damn, you beat me to it.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,741
    kamski said:

    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    The good news is that in a couple of weeks or so we'll find out the cause of autism!

    In that case it's a great shame @rcs1000 didn't put PB behind cloudflare years ago.
    I've thought about this, and I still don't get it
    The implication of your bald statement, taken conjunction with the thread header, was that the technical changes in PB would let us find out the causes of autism.

    I was suggesting that if that is all that was required, it would have been great if it could have happened earlier.
    I see. I still have no idea what cloudfare is, nor how you can be behind it, but never mind.
    Just for you Kamski, I was same
    Cloudflare is one of the biggest networks operating on the Internet. People use Cloudflare services for the purposes of increasing the security and performance of their web sites and services.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,210

    FPT:

    kamski said:

    Cicero said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield

    Trump Treats War Criminal Dictator Putin Like Royalty – And Still Fails To Get Ceasefire

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1956601745447993589

    There is quite the media backlash in Washington this morning. Trump´s obvious humiliation has ticked off quite a few, even on his own side. The pushback against the Russian offensive may yet see this period as a dark period before some kind of dawn. Another massacre of North Korean mercenaries and a significant Russian defeat means that Putin will not be as happy as all that even after his insolent trolling of the West.
    Good morning

    My reading of the summit was Putin got all he wanted, and Trump ended with empty rhetoric by responding saying it's now upto Zelensky and Europe

    What we are witnessing is Trump passing on the responsibility for Ukraine and Europe and whilst he will provide armaments to the EU, they will have to buy them from him as Europe looks at enormous defence spending and sole responsibility for Ukraine and the Baltic's security

    Frankly and depressingly Ukraine and Europe are on their own now
    The tough sanctions on Russia (and secondary sanctions) that Trump imposed last night following Putin's failure to agree a ceasefire are good news for Ukraine.

    Though I strangely can't find any mention of them on the BBC - probably because of their woke orangemanbad propaganda
    Sanctions are not working though
    Are they not?

    It depends on what you expected them to achieve. If you expected them to bring Russia to its knees within a couple of weeks, then they obviously have not worked. But I'd argue that was a silly expectation (unless Putin saw them as a foreshadowing of more to come and folded).

    If you expected sanctions to hurt Russia, and to make it much harder for them to prosecute the war, then that is what has happened. Russia's economy is in the toilet, and the cost of the war is much higher than it would be without sanctions. This reduces the amount of war Russia can do. Yes, they can still get the chips and other things they need, though in smaller quantities, more expense, unknown quality, and with a longer lead time, than it would if they purchased them directly from the west. They can still sell oil, but at a reduced price and by using expensive and unreliable grey and black fleets at increased cost.

    Then there's another aspect to sanctions: they act as a carrot as well as a stick. If Putin and Russia behaves, sanctions can be loosened or even removed.

    Yes, the sanctions against the Russian regime could be harsher. But have they been useful? Hell, yes.
    One of the reasons the mood of the nation (and world?) is as scratchy as it is is our collective impatience. Some (not all, but some) of Starmer's problem is that he's been in office for OVER A YEAR and the land still isn't flowing with milk and honey.

    Well duh.

    How much that is the curse of permanews, and how much it's technology and Amazon causing us to expect instant delivery, I don't know. But it's not just about politics, and I doubt that it's good for us.
    This is right about impatience and timescale. Where Sir Keir is genuinely open to criticism is on failure to communicate the intentions and the plan of how to get to where he wants to go. I follow stuff more than average - like all PBers - and I have no idea. Four examples: social care (long grass); national debt; updating land/property taxation; current account deficit.

    But overall the nation needs a story with narrative, and it isn't happening.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,488

    ydoethur said:

    AnneJGP said:

    When I first read the headline, I thought the Times newspaper was about to undergo some drastic change.

    It's going to have actual news in it again? :hushed:
    The Times exists solely so people can say 'at least it's not the Telegraph'.
    It moved at about the same time..... well I think, the same decade or so ....... that the Manchester Guardian moved South.
    The world's never been the same since.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,831
    ydoethur said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Cheers for the update. Will the change protect us from the lunatics who ridiculously assert that Caesar was a better general than Hannibal?

    One saw his name become a byword for Emperor, the other lost a war and died of shame.

    Plus I don't like Hannibal's lack of modesty, this is is the sort of arrogance/hubris that leads to an epic defeat.

    According to Plutarch, Scipio asked Hannibal "who the greatest general was", to which Hannibal replied "either Alexander or Pyrrhus, then myself".
    Illogical.

    Surely it should have been 'Alexander or Pyrrhus, then the other, *THEN* myself.'
    Pity the fool.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,495
    kamski said:

    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    The good news is that in a couple of weeks or so we'll find out the cause of autism!

    In that case it's a great shame @rcs1000 didn't put PB behind cloudflare years ago.
    I've thought about this, and I still don't get it
    The implication of your bald statement, taken conjunction with the thread header, was that the technical changes in PB would let us find out the causes of autism.

    I was suggesting that if that is all that was required, it would have been great if it could have happened earlier.
    I see. I still have no idea what cloudfare is, nor how you can be behind it, but never mind.
    In layman’s terms, Cloudflare is a service that runs a copy of your web server, and people actually connect to that copy. It means you can have a small server but deal with a lot of traffic, as Cloudflare is infinitely scalable. So on election night, this site won’t run really slowly as it has in the past.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,347
    The vanilla interface already is behind Cloudflare and has been for yonks if not always.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,280
    edited August 16
    TimS said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Cheers for the update. Will the change protect us from the lunatics who ridiculously assert that Caesar was a better general than Hannibal?

    One saw his name become a byword for Emperor, the other lost a war and died of shame.

    Plus I don't like Hannibal's lack of modesty, this is is the sort of arrogance/hubris that leads to an epic defeat.

    According to Plutarch, Scipio asked Hannibal "who the greatest general was", to which Hannibal replied "either Alexander or Pyrrhus, then myself".
    Illogical.

    Surely it should have been 'Alexander or Pyrrhus, then the other, *THEN* myself.'
    Pity the fool.
    Is that a Mr T quote ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,280
    There is however no doubting the world's greatest salad spinner.

    "You know, I always had a great relationship with President Putin. And we would have done great things together in terms of, you know. Their land is incredible. The rare earth, the oil gas — it's incredible. It is the largest piece of land in the world as a nation by far. I think they have 11 timezones if you can believe it, that's big stuff. But we would have done a lot of great things we had the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax which stopped us from doing that. We would have done so great. But we have the greatest — one of the great hoaxes. I mean, there were others like the election itself and as you know, as you covered better than anyone. But it was a rigged election and a horrible thing that took place in 2020. But we would have had a great relationship but we did amazingly well considering — you know, he would look and see what happened, he would think we're crazy with the made up Russia, Russia, Russia hoax. So we had something very important and we had a very good meeting today, but we'll see. I mean it's, you have to get a deal."
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,347
    O'Sullivan makes two 147 breaks in semi-final win
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/articles/c39dp0v7ny1o
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,724
    edited August 16
    So many friends made, so many people influenced.

    Haaretz.com
    @haaretzcom
    4m
    Israeli soccer fans call Poles "murderers since 1939," spark outrage in Poland

    https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/1956638310308442145
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,375
    TimS said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Cheers for the update. Will the change protect us from the lunatics who ridiculously assert that Caesar was a better general than Hannibal?

    Hannibal really started declining in effectiveness when they ran out of schemes to get Murdock out of the insane asylum
    Damn, you beat me to it.
    You got to get up early in the A Team reference game, sir.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,210
    All Trump does is consistent with this:

    1) Trump genuinely doesn't like wars. (Taiwan, take note).

    2) Trump believes in big power block spheres of influence. USA, Russia, China, India, Europe, (Islamic world).

    3) Ukraine is part of an undecided hinterland WRT (2) with undecided amounts of land in eastern Europe going into the Russia sphere. Other bits of land that don't fit (2) are Canada, Greenland, USA in NATO, Israel.

    4) UN and the post war international order is for losers.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,198
    edited August 16
    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    Thanks Robert.

    Can you slow it down from NW London? :wink:

    To 20 mph or are we going for a lower limit?
    Since we don't have politics in the header, this is my view on Wales:

    I think one to watch is the position RefUK and Cons take up in the 2026 Senedd election about 20mph default. It had cross-party support in ~2020/2021 in the Senedd, until the Cons needed a wedge issue and saw a minority they could leverage.

    We have data coming in of lower collisisons, lower insurance premiums etc, but RefUK could go culture war especially if receiving missives from Bromley, and the Cons try and outflank them. In those circs, many will be pushed from reason to emotion.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,445
    Nigelb said:

    There is however no doubting the world's greatest salad spinner.

    "You know, I always had a great relationship with President Putin. And we would have done great things together in terms of, you know. Their land is incredible. The rare earth, the oil gas — it's incredible. It is the largest piece of land in the world as a nation by far. I think they have 11 timezones if you can believe it, that's big stuff. But we would have done a lot of great things we had the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax which stopped us from doing that. We would have done so great. But we have the greatest — one of the great hoaxes. I mean, there were others like the election itself and as you know, as you covered better than anyone. But it was a rigged election and a horrible thing that took place in 2020. But we would have had a great relationship but we did amazingly well considering — you know, he would look and see what happened, he would think we're crazy with the made up Russia, Russia, Russia hoax. So we had something very important and we had a very good meeting today, but we'll see. I mean it's, you have to get a deal."

    #Definitelynotsenile
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,488

    So many friends made, so many people influenced.

    Haaretz.com
    @haaretzcom
    4m
    Israeli soccer fans call Poles "murderers since 1939," spark outrage in Poland

    https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/1956638310308442145

    What on earth will their banners say when they're playing Germany?

    Seems like there's section of Israeli opinion which is trying lose friends and thereby influence people.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,709

    FPT:

    kamski said:

    Cicero said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield

    Trump Treats War Criminal Dictator Putin Like Royalty – And Still Fails To Get Ceasefire

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1956601745447993589

    There is quite the media backlash in Washington this morning. Trump´s obvious humiliation has ticked off quite a few, even on his own side. The pushback against the Russian offensive may yet see this period as a dark period before some kind of dawn. Another massacre of North Korean mercenaries and a significant Russian defeat means that Putin will not be as happy as all that even after his insolent trolling of the West.
    Good morning

    My reading of the summit was Putin got all he wanted, and Trump ended with empty rhetoric by responding saying it's now upto Zelensky and Europe

    What we are witnessing is Trump passing on the responsibility for Ukraine and Europe and whilst he will provide armaments to the EU, they will have to buy them from him as Europe looks at enormous defence spending and sole responsibility for Ukraine and the Baltic's security

    Frankly and depressingly Ukraine and Europe are on their own now
    The tough sanctions on Russia (and secondary sanctions) that Trump imposed last night following Putin's failure to agree a ceasefire are good news for Ukraine.

    Though I strangely can't find any mention of them on the BBC - probably because of their woke orangemanbad propaganda
    Sanctions are not working though
    Are they not?

    It depends on what you expected them to achieve. If you expected them to bring Russia to its knees within a couple of weeks, then they obviously have not worked. But I'd argue that was a silly expectation (unless Putin saw them as a foreshadowing of more to come and folded).

    If you expected sanctions to hurt Russia, and to make it much harder for them to prosecute the war, then that is what has happened. Russia's economy is in the toilet, and the cost of the war is much higher than it would be without sanctions. This reduces the amount of war Russia can do. Yes, they can still get the chips and other things they need, though in smaller quantities, more expense, unknown quality, and with a longer lead time, than it would if they purchased them directly from the west. They can still sell oil, but at a reduced price and by using expensive and unreliable grey and black fleets at increased cost.

    Then there's another aspect to sanctions: they act as a carrot as well as a stick. If Putin and Russia behaves, sanctions can be loosened or even removed.

    Yes, the sanctions against the Russian regime could be harsher. But have they been useful? Hell, yes.
    Is there a link for the 'tough new sanctions that Trump imposed last night' because Google doesn't return anything obvious.

    Or is it non suspension of some of the previously announced secondary sanctions and when they are due to come into force?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,347

    So many friends made, so many people influenced.

    Haaretz.com
    @haaretzcom
    4m
    Israeli soccer fans call Poles "murderers since 1939," spark outrage in Poland

    https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/1956638310308442145

    So many seats empty.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,445
    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    Thanks Robert.

    Can you slow it down from NW London? :wink:

    To 20 mph or are we going for a lower limit?
    Since we don't have politics in the header, this is my view on Wales:

    I think one to watch is the position RefUK and Cons take up in the 2026 Senedd election about 20mph default. It had cross-party support in ~2020/2021 in the Senedd, until the Cons needed a wedge issue and saw a minority they could leverage.

    We have data coming in of lower collisisons, lower insurance premiums etc, but RefUK could go culture war especially if receiving missives from Bromley, and the Cons try and outflank them. In those circs, many will be pushed from reason to emotion.
    If they're sensible and in touch with wider opinion, take the local reviews as a win and move on. How much they can do that depends on how tied they are to the vocal minority.

    (See also: ULEZ expansion in London.)
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,755
    algarkirk said:

    All Trump does is consistent with this:

    1) Trump genuinely doesn't like wars. (Taiwan, take note).

    What an utter bastard.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,210
    Pro_Rata said:

    FPT:

    kamski said:

    Cicero said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield

    Trump Treats War Criminal Dictator Putin Like Royalty – And Still Fails To Get Ceasefire

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1956601745447993589

    There is quite the media backlash in Washington this morning. Trump´s obvious humiliation has ticked off quite a few, even on his own side. The pushback against the Russian offensive may yet see this period as a dark period before some kind of dawn. Another massacre of North Korean mercenaries and a significant Russian defeat means that Putin will not be as happy as all that even after his insolent trolling of the West.
    Good morning

    My reading of the summit was Putin got all he wanted, and Trump ended with empty rhetoric by responding saying it's now upto Zelensky and Europe

    What we are witnessing is Trump passing on the responsibility for Ukraine and Europe and whilst he will provide armaments to the EU, they will have to buy them from him as Europe looks at enormous defence spending and sole responsibility for Ukraine and the Baltic's security

    Frankly and depressingly Ukraine and Europe are on their own now
    The tough sanctions on Russia (and secondary sanctions) that Trump imposed last night following Putin's failure to agree a ceasefire are good news for Ukraine.

    Though I strangely can't find any mention of them on the BBC - probably because of their woke orangemanbad propaganda
    Sanctions are not working though
    Are they not?

    It depends on what you expected them to achieve. If you expected them to bring Russia to its knees within a couple of weeks, then they obviously have not worked. But I'd argue that was a silly expectation (unless Putin saw them as a foreshadowing of more to come and folded).

    If you expected sanctions to hurt Russia, and to make it much harder for them to prosecute the war, then that is what has happened. Russia's economy is in the toilet, and the cost of the war is much higher than it would be without sanctions. This reduces the amount of war Russia can do. Yes, they can still get the chips and other things they need, though in smaller quantities, more expense, unknown quality, and with a longer lead time, than it would if they purchased them directly from the west. They can still sell oil, but at a reduced price and by using expensive and unreliable grey and black fleets at increased cost.

    Then there's another aspect to sanctions: they act as a carrot as well as a stick. If Putin and Russia behaves, sanctions can be loosened or even removed.

    Yes, the sanctions against the Russian regime could be harsher. But have they been useful? Hell, yes.
    Is there a link for the 'tough new sanctions that Trump imposed last night' because Google doesn't return anything obvious.

    Or is it non suspension of some of the previously announced secondary sanctions and when they are due to come into force?
    The important event over the last few days for Trump WRT Ukraine is that it is now established in the narrative that Ukraine must lose land to Russia in the end.

    No-one in Europe/NATO has responded with a 'Not an inch'. Trump's agenda is making progress. But undoing 80 years of post WWII alliance and 30 years of post cold war policy takes time.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,198
    algarkirk said:

    All Trump does is consistent with this:

    1) Trump genuinely doesn't like wars. (Taiwan, take note).

    2) Trump believes in big power block spheres of influence. USA, Russia, China, India, Europe, (Islamic world).

    3) Ukraine is part of an undecided hinterland WRT (2) with undecided amounts of land in eastern Europe going into the Russia sphere. Other bits of land that don't fit (2) are Canada, Greenland, USA in NATO, Israel.

    4) UN and the post war international order is for losers.

    1) Trump is claiming to have stopped 5 wars, and that Ukraine will make it 6. I'm not sure what is on this list. Except that at least one (Houthis) has started up again, as was obviously going to happen, and that another (Israel) is now all-but-guaranteed to last another 1-2 generations.

    2) Yes, but imo his worldview is stuck in the 1950s, when he was at school, or the 1970s, when he was a thrusting young crooked businessman. Either way, it's delusional. To me, he wants Europe to be a cake to be carved up, and overdoes military power vs economic power - though as Europe recovers militarily his influence is circumscribed.

    3) Agree. But I think he has yet to get around to his version of the Monroe Doctrine. Being stuck in the eg 1970s, he has not got to grips with the power of middle income countries - or how quickly the USA is going backwards relatively as a society (eg life expectancy rankings in the Americas).

    4) Yes, but it is greater than that. He hates the rule of law and is out to destroy it. Hence his financial attacks and travel restrictions via Executive Order on individuals who just work for the International Court.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,359

    Good morning, everyone.

    Cheers for the update. Will the change protect us from the lunatics who ridiculously assert that Caesar was a better general than Hannibal?

    One saw his name become a byword for Emperor, the other lost a war and died of shame.

    Plus I don't like Hannibal's lack of modesty, this is is the sort of arrogance/hubris that leads to an epic defeat.

    According to Plutarch, Scipio asked Hannibal "who the greatest general was", to which Hannibal replied "either Alexander or Pyrrhus, then myself".
    Infamy, infamy they’ve all got it in for me.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,347

    So many friends made, so many people influenced.

    Haaretz.com
    @haaretzcom
    4m
    Israeli soccer fans call Poles "murderers since 1939," spark outrage in Poland

    https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/1956638310308442145

    What on earth will their banners say when they're playing Germany?

    Seems like there's section of Israeli opinion which is trying lose friends and thereby influence people.
    It's the club side, Maccabi Haifa, who lost anyway. I'm not sure I'd want British political opinions or footwear judged from a handful of Liverpool fans.

    UEFA has set precedent for banning Maccabi Haifa after 'scandalous' banner in Conference League game
    Maccabi Haifa face being hit with a UEFA sanction after yobs displayed an offensive banner.
    ...
    The Israeli Embassy in Warsaw also condemned the vile banner.

    "There is no place for such words and actions, from any side, neither at the stadium nor anywhere else. Never!" The embassy wrote on X. "These shameful incidents do not reflect the spirit of the majority of Israeli fans."

    https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/uefa-maccabi-haifa-banner-conference-league-261595-20250815
  • (Good luck with the move, Robert!)
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,755
    algarkirk said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    FPT:

    kamski said:

    Cicero said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield

    Trump Treats War Criminal Dictator Putin Like Royalty – And Still Fails To Get Ceasefire

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1956601745447993589

    There is quite the media backlash in Washington this morning. Trump´s obvious humiliation has ticked off quite a few, even on his own side. The pushback against the Russian offensive may yet see this period as a dark period before some kind of dawn. Another massacre of North Korean mercenaries and a significant Russian defeat means that Putin will not be as happy as all that even after his insolent trolling of the West.
    Good morning

    My reading of the summit was Putin got all he wanted, and Trump ended with empty rhetoric by responding saying it's now upto Zelensky and Europe

    What we are witnessing is Trump passing on the responsibility for Ukraine and Europe and whilst he will provide armaments to the EU, they will have to buy them from him as Europe looks at enormous defence spending and sole responsibility for Ukraine and the Baltic's security

    Frankly and depressingly Ukraine and Europe are on their own now
    The tough sanctions on Russia (and secondary sanctions) that Trump imposed last night following Putin's failure to agree a ceasefire are good news for Ukraine.

    Though I strangely can't find any mention of them on the BBC - probably because of their woke orangemanbad propaganda
    Sanctions are not working though
    Are they not?

    It depends on what you expected them to achieve. If you expected them to bring Russia to its knees within a couple of weeks, then they obviously have not worked. But I'd argue that was a silly expectation (unless Putin saw them as a foreshadowing of more to come and folded).

    If you expected sanctions to hurt Russia, and to make it much harder for them to prosecute the war, then that is what has happened. Russia's economy is in the toilet, and the cost of the war is much higher than it would be without sanctions. This reduces the amount of war Russia can do. Yes, they can still get the chips and other things they need, though in smaller quantities, more expense, unknown quality, and with a longer lead time, than it would if they purchased them directly from the west. They can still sell oil, but at a reduced price and by using expensive and unreliable grey and black fleets at increased cost.

    Then there's another aspect to sanctions: they act as a carrot as well as a stick. If Putin and Russia behaves, sanctions can be loosened or even removed.

    Yes, the sanctions against the Russian regime could be harsher. But have they been useful? Hell, yes.
    Is there a link for the 'tough new sanctions that Trump imposed last night' because Google doesn't return anything obvious.

    Or is it non suspension of some of the previously announced secondary sanctions and when they are due to come into force?
    The important event over the last few days for Trump WRT Ukraine is that it is now established in the narrative that Ukraine must lose land to Russia in the end.

    That's been the reality for the last two years since the counter-offensive got off the bus at the wrong stop. The Lollipop Guild of EU+UK aren't prepared to fund, equip or directly aid Ukraine enough to allow them to hold the line never mind inflict such a definitive military defeat that they can recover the DLKhZ oblasts in full.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,210
    MattW said:

    algarkirk said:

    All Trump does is consistent with this:

    1) Trump genuinely doesn't like wars. (Taiwan, take note).

    2) Trump believes in big power block spheres of influence. USA, Russia, China, India, Europe, (Islamic world).

    3) Ukraine is part of an undecided hinterland WRT (2) with undecided amounts of land in eastern Europe going into the Russia sphere. Other bits of land that don't fit (2) are Canada, Greenland, USA in NATO, Israel.

    4) UN and the post war international order is for losers.

    1) Trump is claiming to have stopped 5 wars, and that Ukraine will make it 6. I'm not sure what is on this list. Except that at least one (Houthis) has started up again, as was obviously going to happen, and that another (Israel) is now all-but-guaranteed to last another 1-2 generations.

    2) Yes, but imo his worldview is stuck in the 1950s, when he was at school, or the 1970s, when he was a thrusting young crooked businessman. Either way, it's delusional. To me, he wants Europe to be a cake to be carved up, and overdoes military power vs economic power - though as Europe recovers militarily his influence is circumscribed.

    3) Agree. But I think he has yet to get around to his version of the Monroe Doctrine. Being stuck in the eg 1970s, he has not got to grips with the power of middle income countries - or how quickly the USA is going backwards relatively as a society (eg life expectancy rankings in the Americas).

    4) Yes, but it is greater than that. He hates the rule of law and is out to destroy it. Hence his financial attacks and travel restrictions via Executive Order on individuals who just work for the International Court.
    Thanks. I think I agree 100% with this.

    The issue of where Trump stands WRT global policy, and what will be the outcomes of his folly are of course linked but separate.

    His changing sides over all his alliances can't be set in concrete quickly - he has to pretend for now to sort of on our side. But this week he has succeeded in getting everyone tacitly to agree that Ukraine must be split up. Which is a big win for this friend of Russia.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,495
    Interesting story of how Israel recruited and trained up to 140 operatives from Iran and neighbouring countries, in order to take out air defences and military installations at the start of the recent conflict.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV1qY2ALlgo
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,198
    On Trump, one somewhat convincing narrative I have seen is that Trump (or people behind Trump) wanted to create something that Ukraine / Europe could not possibly agree to, which would then give the Trump regime cover for withdrawal of support for Ukraine.

    Ukraine the Latest recorded a podcast immediately after it had finished, which is now online:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apBVv0mERoY

    It's quite amusing that their correspondent made a call that since there were no hotel spaces, it would be squalid, so they hired a 26ft Sturgeon-wagon. And they have been on Canadian News being interview about van-life.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,347
    MattW said:

    algarkirk said:

    All Trump does is consistent with this:

    1) Trump genuinely doesn't like wars. (Taiwan, take note).

    2) Trump believes in big power block spheres of influence. USA, Russia, China, India, Europe, (Islamic world).

    3) Ukraine is part of an undecided hinterland WRT (2) with undecided amounts of land in eastern Europe going into the Russia sphere. Other bits of land that don't fit (2) are Canada, Greenland, USA in NATO, Israel.

    4) UN and the post war international order is for losers.

    1) Trump is claiming to have stopped 5 wars, and that Ukraine will make it 6. I'm not sure what is on this list. Except that at least one (Houthis) has started up again, as was obviously going to happen, and that another (Israel) is now all-but-guaranteed to last another 1-2 generations.

    2) Yes, but imo his worldview is stuck in the 1950s, when he was at school, or the 1970s, when he was a thrusting young crooked businessman. Either way, it's delusional. To me, he wants Europe to be a cake to be carved up, and overdoes military power vs economic power - though as Europe recovers militarily his influence is circumscribed.

    3) Agree. But I think he has yet to get around to his version of the Monroe Doctrine. Being stuck in the eg 1970s, he has not got to grips with the power of middle income countries - or how quickly the USA is going backwards relatively as a society (eg life expectancy rankings in the Americas).

    4) Yes, but it is greater than that. He hates the rule of law and is out to destroy it. Hence his financial attacks and travel restrictions via Executive Order on individuals who just work for the International Court.
    The last is more likely Project 2025 rather than Trump personally. Antipathy to global institutions has long been a feature of American right wing (and even general) politics.

    Superpowers carving up smaller ones? Longstanding American practice in Central and South America and the Middle East, and to be fair, Europe only left the empire business within (just about) living memory.

    Trump's interviews going back decades have majored on two themes. All other countries are ripping America off, even its allies are parasites, and China is especially bad. And he really does not like wars.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,347
    Sandpit said:

    Interesting story of how Israel recruited and trained up to 140 operatives from Iran and neighbouring countries, in order to take out air defences and military installations at the start of the recent conflict.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV1qY2ALlgo

    See also the SMO. Would never happen here, of course, because Palestine Action has free access to RAF bases to chuck orange paint into jet engines.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,946
    On the website - cloudflare side of things I'm surprised you didn't do it years ago. But install cloudflare's wordpress plugin so it purges cloudflare's cache when a new article is posted.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,198
    edited August 16
    algarkirk said:

    MattW said:

    algarkirk said:

    All Trump does is consistent with this:

    1) Trump genuinely doesn't like wars. (Taiwan, take note).

    2) Trump believes in big power block spheres of influence. USA, Russia, China, India, Europe, (Islamic world).

    3) Ukraine is part of an undecided hinterland WRT (2) with undecided amounts of land in eastern Europe going into the Russia sphere. Other bits of land that don't fit (2) are Canada, Greenland, USA in NATO, Israel.

    4) UN and the post war international order is for losers.

    1) Trump is claiming to have stopped 5 wars, and that Ukraine will make it 6. I'm not sure what is on this list. Except that at least one (Houthis) has started up again, as was obviously going to happen, and that another (Israel) is now all-but-guaranteed to last another 1-2 generations.

    2) Yes, but imo his worldview is stuck in the 1950s, when he was at school, or the 1970s, when he was a thrusting young crooked businessman. Either way, it's delusional. To me, he wants Europe to be a cake to be carved up, and overdoes military power vs economic power - though as Europe recovers militarily his influence is circumscribed.

    3) Agree. But I think he has yet to get around to his version of the Monroe Doctrine. Being stuck in the eg 1970s, he has not got to grips with the power of middle income countries - or how quickly the USA is going backwards relatively as a society (eg life expectancy rankings in the Americas).

    4) Yes, but it is greater than that. He hates the rule of law and is out to destroy it. Hence his financial attacks and travel restrictions via Executive Order on individuals who just work for the International Court.
    Thanks. I think I agree 100% with this.

    The issue of where Trump stands WRT global policy, and what will be the outcomes of his folly are of course linked but separate.

    His changing sides over all his alliances can't be set in concrete quickly - he has to pretend for now to sort of on our side. But this week he has succeeded in getting everyone tacitly to agree that Ukraine must be split up. Which is a big win for this friend of Russia.
    I think with Trump it's difficult to decide the combination of a White Box analysis ("Trump is a psychopath obsessed with keeping himself out of prison or mental hospital, and making himself money, and protecting his reputation / legacy") and a Black Box analysis just accepting that his head is chaos, and only looking at observable inputs and outputs from the bubble.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,826
    So the war goes on and the key question (does the US stay with it or walk away) remains to be answered. I think my take on the "Summit" was correct. Its main purpose was the event itself. Trump flying in, cameras rolling, world watching, all agog, big big man meeting another big big man, just owning that news cycle, starring front and centre in what other than corruption on a vast scale is what this presidency is all about - the show. That was the point of Alaska.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,495
    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,210
    Leon said:

    Can’t believe that the Chancellor of the Exchequer who sobbed and blubbed in the House of Commons because mean people said hurty things turns out to be catastrophically useless at running the UK economy

    “The "When the Facts Change" post I wrote a couple of days ago is becoming more relevant by the hour

    The UK 30-year gilt yield is now approaching 5.6pc.

    The Bank of England CUT the policy rate by 25 basis points last Thursday.

    The UK's long-term sovereign borrowing cost has meanwhile gone UP by almost 25bps.

    This should NOT be happening”


    https://x.com/liamhalligan/status/1956357461226504306?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Yes. 30 year gilts are well above France and Italy. It says a lot about the long term perspective.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,181
    Leon said:

    Can’t believe that the Chancellor of the Exchequer who sobbed and blubbed in the House of Commons because mean people said hurty things turns out to be catastrophically useless at running the UK economy

    “The "When the Facts Change" post I wrote a couple of days ago is becoming more relevant by the hour

    The UK 30-year gilt yield is now approaching 5.6pc.

    The Bank of England CUT the policy rate by 25 basis points last Thursday.

    The UK's long-term sovereign borrowing cost has meanwhile gone UP by almost 25bps.

    This should NOT be happening”


    https://x.com/liamhalligan/status/1956357461226504306?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    My new almost-billionaire friend who thinks Britain is fucked is OBSESSED with UK gilt yields. And that was before this
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,359
    Leon said:

    Can’t believe that the Chancellor of the Exchequer who sobbed and blubbed in the House of Commons because mean people said hurty things turns out to be catastrophically useless at running the UK economy

    “The "When the Facts Change" post I wrote a couple of days ago is becoming more relevant by the hour

    The UK 30-year gilt yield is now approaching 5.6pc.

    The Bank of England CUT the policy rate by 25 basis points last Thursday.

    The UK's long-term sovereign borrowing cost has meanwhile gone UP by almost 25bps.

    This should NOT be happening”


    https://x.com/liamhalligan/status/1956357461226504306?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Wait til it gets to 6%.

    Truss supposedly crashed the economy. Yet we’re in a far worse position now and no political will to resolve it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,181
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Can’t believe that the Chancellor of the Exchequer who sobbed and blubbed in the House of Commons because mean people said hurty things turns out to be catastrophically useless at running the UK economy

    “The "When the Facts Change" post I wrote a couple of days ago is becoming more relevant by the hour

    The UK 30-year gilt yield is now approaching 5.6pc.

    The Bank of England CUT the policy rate by 25 basis points last Thursday.

    The UK's long-term sovereign borrowing cost has meanwhile gone UP by almost 25bps.

    This should NOT be happening”


    https://x.com/liamhalligan/status/1956357461226504306?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Yes. 30 year gilts are well above France and Italy. It says a lot about the long term perspective.
    What’s our destiny, rainier Greece or Argentina-of-the-north?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,283
    edited August 16
    kinabalu said:

    So the war goes on and the key question ...That was the point of Alaska.

    What people forget about the current administration is that it was by definition lame duck from the start. And Washington insiders realise that. See as evidence for this the totally different approach by opponents, who rather than trying to constantly attempting to discredit the administration and the Pres himself as a way of preventing another term, will be focusing on how to win the next election vs any GOP candidate....

    This is a blessing and a curse: the curse is that the Pres will likely have more freedom of action in the next couple of years, as fewer compromises need to be made; the blessing is that nothing need be taken as permanent. The speed with which eg Tarriffs could be removed by a future administration matches the speed with which they were imposed.

    When it comes to Ukraine, if the country can continue to fight, it now looks likely to be able to weather the Trump position (try and stop the war without regard for international norms and order). I would never rely on Germany in FP terms; but Poland, France and Britain are - rightly - steadfast in their defence of the Ukrainian position.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,210
    kinabalu said:

    So the war goes on and the key question (does the US stay with it or walk away) remains to be answered. I think my take on the "Summit" was correct. Its main purpose was the event itself. Trump flying in, cameras rolling, world watching, all agog, big big man meeting another big big man, just owning that news cycle, starring front and centre in what other than corruption on a vast scale is what this presidency is all about - the show. That was the point of Alaska.

    The big picture is that everyone who matters tacitly agrees that Russia will gain land, the question being how much. The next question is the vexed one of 'USA security guarantee'. USA can't and won't do so (I think); for Europe the USA has to and will do so. I doubt if there can be a ceasefire until that unresolvable question is resolved. By which time I expect more of Ukraine to be in play for Russia.

    USA can't give a security guarantee because it flies in the face of its real policy which is to accept Russia's sphere of influence in eastern Europe, the limits to be determined by Europeans, and USA has no intention of being involved in direct USA/Russia conflict.

    The detail on the ground is fuzzy, but the big picture is plain.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,724

    So many friends made, so many people influenced.

    Haaretz.com
    @haaretzcom
    4m
    Israeli soccer fans call Poles "murderers since 1939," spark outrage in Poland

    https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/1956638310308442145

    What on earth will their banners say when they're playing Germany?

    Seems like there's section of Israeli opinion which is trying lose friends and thereby influence people.
    It's the club side, Maccabi Haifa, who lost anyway. I'm not sure I'd want British political opinions or footwear judged from a handful of Liverpool fans.

    UEFA has set precedent for banning Maccabi Haifa after 'scandalous' banner in Conference League game
    Maccabi Haifa face being hit with a UEFA sanction after yobs displayed an offensive banner.
    ...
    The Israeli Embassy in Warsaw also condemned the vile banner.

    "There is no place for such words and actions, from any side, neither at the stadium nor anywhere else. Never!" The embassy wrote on X. "These shameful incidents do not reflect the spirit of the majority of Israeli fans."

    https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/uefa-maccabi-haifa-banner-conference-league-261595-20250815
    Otoh when a few Maccabi Tel Aviv fans got their hair pulled in Amsterdam the Israeli government called it Kristallnacht II and an antisemitic pogrom. The weapons of mass hyperbolic destruction are never far away.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,210
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Can’t believe that the Chancellor of the Exchequer who sobbed and blubbed in the House of Commons because mean people said hurty things turns out to be catastrophically useless at running the UK economy

    “The "When the Facts Change" post I wrote a couple of days ago is becoming more relevant by the hour

    The UK 30-year gilt yield is now approaching 5.6pc.

    The Bank of England CUT the policy rate by 25 basis points last Thursday.

    The UK's long-term sovereign borrowing cost has meanwhile gone UP by almost 25bps.

    This should NOT be happening”


    https://x.com/liamhalligan/status/1956357461226504306?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Yes. 30 year gilts are well above France and Italy. It says a lot about the long term perspective.
    What’s our destiny, rainier Greece or Argentina-of-the-north?
    Yes, both of these. Plus the game of asking what 30 year gilts will look like after 6 months of a Reform majority government.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,323
    Phillips OBrien:

    "The weird thing is that some people are saying that this summit did not change anything."


    "...sanctions on Russia were nowhere to be found. Remember this whole summit seemed to come about because Trump was so angry with Russia and humiliated by Putin that he was going to hammer Russia with sanctions….which now seem basically permanently off the table."


    https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/putin-makes-no-concessions-but-trump?r=1tgexa&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,359
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Can’t believe that the Chancellor of the Exchequer who sobbed and blubbed in the House of Commons because mean people said hurty things turns out to be catastrophically useless at running the UK economy

    “The "When the Facts Change" post I wrote a couple of days ago is becoming more relevant by the hour

    The UK 30-year gilt yield is now approaching 5.6pc.

    The Bank of England CUT the policy rate by 25 basis points last Thursday.

    The UK's long-term sovereign borrowing cost has meanwhile gone UP by almost 25bps.

    This should NOT be happening”


    https://x.com/liamhalligan/status/1956357461226504306?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Yes. 30 year gilts are well above France and Italy. It says a lot about the long term perspective.
    What’s our destiny, rainier Greece or Argentina-of-the-north?
    Yes, both of these. Plus the game of asking what 30 year gilts will look like after 6 months of a Reform majority government.
    Reform seem to share the same approach to fiscal and monetary discipline that the other parties share. Just a different client base to buy off.

    So more of the same really.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,715
    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    Oh dear. How sad. F**K off.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,323
    Cicero said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    Oh dear. How sad. F**K off.
    The word "journalist" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,198
    edited August 16
    MattW said:

    Thanks Robert.

    Can you slow it down from NW London? :wink:

    If I have my locations correct, that should give Kinabalu and the Leons their own private bear pit.

    And if it doesn't, we can put them in the bear pit at the Sheffield Botanical Gardens.

    Adds. This bit of Sheffield is unusual in that it was not nicked from Derbyshire.

    (No worries, just creating the narrative for an SMO on Sheffield by Peak District sheep in 2364.)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,724

    Phillips OBrien:

    "The weird thing is that some people are saying that this summit did not change anything."


    "...sanctions on Russia were nowhere to be found. Remember this whole summit seemed to come about because Trump was so angry with Russia and humiliated by Putin that he was going to hammer Russia with sanctions….which now seem basically permanently off the table."


    https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/putin-makes-no-concessions-but-trump?r=1tgexa&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

    I think once the realisation that he’s been cucked by Putin pierces the orange fog, Trump will be looking for someone to take it out on. Pretty sure Zhelenski will be top of the list.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,323
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Can’t believe that the Chancellor of the Exchequer who sobbed and blubbed in the House of Commons because mean people said hurty things turns out to be catastrophically useless at running the UK economy

    “The "When the Facts Change" post I wrote a couple of days ago is becoming more relevant by the hour

    The UK 30-year gilt yield is now approaching 5.6pc.

    The Bank of England CUT the policy rate by 25 basis points last Thursday.

    The UK's long-term sovereign borrowing cost has meanwhile gone UP by almost 25bps.

    This should NOT be happening”


    https://x.com/liamhalligan/status/1956357461226504306?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Yes. 30 year gilts are well above France and Italy. It says a lot about the long term perspective.
    What’s our destiny, rainier Greece or Argentina-of-the-north?
    Yes, both of these. Plus the game of asking what 30 year gilts will look like after 6 months of a Reform majority government.
    Well we've had no rain since April so it must be the latter.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,709
    edited August 16
    OK, a Saturday morning link that Spotify directed me towards for your amusement or violent disagreement.

    A song covering the entirety of political theory in 4 minutes:

    https://youtu.be/PS9Bc_GQBEs?si=0zb1vwKvPZRRBeSO
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,323
    Trump says Putin told him that Trump won the 2020 election. Apparently it was rigged using mail-in ballots.

    Well, that's that then, it must be true.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,885
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Can’t believe that the Chancellor of the Exchequer who sobbed and blubbed in the House of Commons because mean people said hurty things turns out to be catastrophically useless at running the UK economy

    “The "When the Facts Change" post I wrote a couple of days ago is becoming more relevant by the hour

    The UK 30-year gilt yield is now approaching 5.6pc.

    The Bank of England CUT the policy rate by 25 basis points last Thursday.

    The UK's long-term sovereign borrowing cost has meanwhile gone UP by almost 25bps.

    This should NOT be happening”


    https://x.com/liamhalligan/status/1956357461226504306?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Yes. 30 year gilts are well above France and Italy. It says a lot about the long term perspective.
    What’s our destiny, rainier Greece or Argentina-of-the-north?
    Yes, both of these. Plus the game of asking what 30 year gilts will look like after 6 months of a Reform majority government.
    You think they will make it to 6 months?

    I mean, Farage has got rid of 40% of his party already and that's while in opposition.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,323

    Phillips OBrien:

    "The weird thing is that some people are saying that this summit did not change anything."


    "...sanctions on Russia were nowhere to be found. Remember this whole summit seemed to come about because Trump was so angry with Russia and humiliated by Putin that he was going to hammer Russia with sanctions….which now seem basically permanently off the table."


    https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/putin-makes-no-concessions-but-trump?r=1tgexa&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

    I think once the realisation that he’s been cucked by Putin pierces the orange fog, Trump will be looking for someone to take it out on. Pretty sure Zhelenski will be top of the list.
    MSNBC reported that Trump's aides, like Whitkof, looked very stressed and "ashen faced" after the meeting. So maybe they at least realise what a clusterf this has been.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,323
    Any news from Norway?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,826
    edited August 16
    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    So the war goes on and the key question (does the US stay with it or walk away) remains to be answered. I think my take on the "Summit" was correct. Its main purpose was the event itself. Trump flying in, cameras rolling, world watching, all agog, big big man meeting another big big man, just owning that news cycle, starring front and centre in what other than corruption on a vast scale is what this presidency is all about - the show. That was the point of Alaska.

    The big picture is that everyone who matters tacitly agrees that Russia will gain land, the question being how much. The next question is the vexed one of 'USA security guarantee'. USA can't and won't do so (I think); for Europe the USA has to and will do so. I doubt if there can be a ceasefire until that unresolvable question is resolved. By which time I expect more of Ukraine to be in play for Russia.

    USA can't give a security guarantee because it flies in the face of its real policy which is to accept Russia's sphere of influence in eastern Europe, the limits to be determined by Europeans, and USA has no intention of being involved in direct USA/Russia conflict.

    The detail on the ground is fuzzy, but the big picture is plain.
    Russia has gained land. Whether they gain more or lose some, and to what extent any new borders get recognised, depends on how the war progresses from here. That in turn depends on how much support Ukraine get from America and Europe.

    All of the above, and also the position as you've described it, indeed the position as anybody wants to describe it, is unchanged by this performative summit between Trump and Putin. A waste of time for everyone but themselves.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,755
    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    This seems a bit fishy. The Russians I know use Chinese eSIMs when travelling. I can't believe journalists wouldn't know how to do this. On reflection, maybe I can believe it.

    I also used one in Russia because of roaming bollocks and it worked well. I didn't dare take my UK phone to Ukraine in case it pinged a tower and I got fucking FPV droned as a suspected merc. (Ukrainian mobile phone data often ends up in the hands of the Russians and vice versa).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,280
    .

    Phillips OBrien:

    "The weird thing is that some people are saying that this summit did not change anything."


    "...sanctions on Russia were nowhere to be found. Remember this whole summit seemed to come about because Trump was so angry with Russia and humiliated by Putin that he was going to hammer Russia with sanctions….which now seem basically permanently off the table."

    https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/putin-makes-no-concessions-but-trump?r=1tgexa&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

    No, there's another "maybe two or three weeks" non-deadline deadline.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,826

    Phillips OBrien:

    "The weird thing is that some people are saying that this summit did not change anything."


    "...sanctions on Russia were nowhere to be found. Remember this whole summit seemed to come about because Trump was so angry with Russia and humiliated by Putin that he was going to hammer Russia with sanctions….which now seem basically permanently off the table."


    https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/putin-makes-no-concessions-but-trump?r=1tgexa&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

    I think once the realisation that he’s been cucked by Putin pierces the orange fog, Trump will be looking for someone to take it out on. Pretty sure Zhelenski will be top of the list.
    I wonder if Trump was able to see into Putin's soul this time?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,866
    The son of a friend who is moving up the greasy poll of computery recommended I buy shares in Cloudflare (NET) which I did. They've since gone up from around 80p to about £1.80 in less than a year so it sounds like they know what they're doing. So good choice!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,280
    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    So the war goes on and the key question (does the US stay with it or walk away) remains to be answered. I think my take on the "Summit" was correct. Its main purpose was the event itself. Trump flying in, cameras rolling, world watching, all agog, big big man meeting another big big man, just owning that news cycle, starring front and centre in what other than corruption on a vast scale is what this presidency is all about - the show. That was the point of Alaska.

    The big picture is that everyone who matters tacitly agrees that Russia will gain land, the question being how much. The next question is the vexed one of 'USA security guarantee'. USA can't and won't do so (I think); for Europe the USA has to and will do so. I doubt if there can be a ceasefire until that unresolvable question is resolved. By which time I expect more of Ukraine to be in play for Russia.

    USA can't give a security guarantee because it flies in the face of its real policy which is to accept Russia's sphere of influence in eastern Europe, the limits to be determined by Europeans, and USA has no intention of being involved in direct USA/Russia conflict.

    The detail on the ground is fuzzy, but the big picture is plain.
    Any European security guarantee necessary implies that another invasion can be defeated, otherwise it's of little value.

    In which case we should just make sure this one is defeated.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,210

    Phillips OBrien:

    "The weird thing is that some people are saying that this summit did not change anything."


    "...sanctions on Russia were nowhere to be found. Remember this whole summit seemed to come about because Trump was so angry with Russia and humiliated by Putin that he was going to hammer Russia with sanctions….which now seem basically permanently off the table."


    https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/putin-makes-no-concessions-but-trump?r=1tgexa&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

    I think once the realisation that he’s been cucked by Putin pierces the orange fog, Trump will be looking for someone to take it out on. Pretty sure Zhelenski will be top of the list.
    MSNBC reported that Trump's aides, like Whitkof, looked very stressed and "ashen faced" after the meeting. So maybe they at least realise what a clusterf this has been.
    If they are ashen faced it will be because they are a little nearer to everyone having to accept that USA policy is the opposite of what western leaders want to believe, and even these USA powerful people are not sure what will happen once we all say it as well as know it in our bones. Possibly even the good people of the USA, including a few Trumpians, don't want to believe it either.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,495
    edited August 16

    Cicero said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    Oh dear. How sad. F**K off.
    The word "journalist" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.
    The look on “Putin’s” face when all the American “journalists” started shouting their questions over each other, was rather amusing.

    Ukranian social media is even more convinced that it was a fake Putin at the meeting, the mannerisms and inflections didn’t seem “right”. Reports that “Putin” gave his long history speech, had his photo taken, and got straight back on his plane cancelling the planned lunch, would also give credence to that theory. The fake “Putin” wouldn’t have the authority to actually agree anything.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,826
    edited August 16
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Phillips OBrien:

    "The weird thing is that some people are saying that this summit did not change anything."


    "...sanctions on Russia were nowhere to be found. Remember this whole summit seemed to come about because Trump was so angry with Russia and humiliated by Putin that he was going to hammer Russia with sanctions….which now seem basically permanently off the table."

    https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/putin-makes-no-concessions-but-trump?r=1tgexa&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

    No, there's another "maybe two or three weeks" non-deadline deadline.
    It's just code for "it's all about me, so keep watching, don't turn off".
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,323
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Phillips OBrien:

    "The weird thing is that some people are saying that this summit did not change anything."


    "...sanctions on Russia were nowhere to be found. Remember this whole summit seemed to come about because Trump was so angry with Russia and humiliated by Putin that he was going to hammer Russia with sanctions….which now seem basically permanently off the table."

    https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/putin-makes-no-concessions-but-trump?r=1tgexa&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

    No, there's another "maybe two or three weeks" non-deadline deadline.
    I don't think OBrien counts the obviously "non-deadlines deadlines".
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,347
    Pro_Rata said:

    OK, a Saturday morning link that Spotify directed me towards for your amusement or violent disagreement.

    A song covering the entirety of political theory in 4 minutes:

    https://youtu.be/PS9Bc_GQBEs?si=0zb1vwKvPZRRBeSO

    Brilliant (or something).
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,445
    Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    Oh dear. How sad. F**K off.
    The word "journalist" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.
    The look on “Putin’s” face when all the American “journalists” started shouting their questions over each other, was rather amusing.

    Ukranian social media is even more convinced that it was a fake Putin at the meeting, the mannerisms and inflections didn’t seem “right”. Reports that “Putin” gave his long history speech, had his photo taken, and got straight back on his plane cancelling the planned lunch, would also give credence to that theory. The fake “Putin” wouldn’t have the authority to actually agree anything.
    Does Big Brother exist?’

    ‘Of course he exists. The Party exists. Big Brother is the embodiment of the Party.’

    ‘Does he exist in the same way as I exist?’

    ‘You do not exist,’ said O’Brien.

    Once again the sense of helplessness assailed him. He knew, or he could imagine, the arguments which proved his own nonexistence; but they were nonsense, they were only a play on words. Did not the statement, ‘You do not exist’, contain a logical absurdity? But what use was it to say so? His mind shrivelled as he thought of the unanswerable, mad arguments with which O’Brien would demolish him.

    ‘I think I exist,’ he said wearily. ‘I am conscious of my own identity. I was born and I shall die. I have arms and legs. I occupy a particular point in space. No other solid object can occupy the same point simultaneously. In that sense, does Big Brother exist?’

    ‘It is of no importance. He exists.’

    ‘Will Big Brother ever die?’

    ‘Of course not. How could he die? Next question.’
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,181
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    This seems a bit fishy. The Russians I know use Chinese eSIMs when travelling. I can't believe journalists wouldn't know how to do this. On reflection, maybe I can believe it.

    I also used one in Russia because of roaming bollocks and it worked well. I didn't dare take my UK phone to Ukraine in case it pinged a tower and I got fucking FPV droned as a suspected merc. (Ukrainian mobile phone data often ends up in the hands of the Russians and vice versa).
    This might explain why the Russians tried to drone my very own hotel in Odessa. I was constantly on my UK phone chatting on PB
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,495
    edited August 16
    Roger said:

    The son of a friend who is moving up the greasy poll of computery recommended I buy shares in Cloudflare (NET) which I did. They've since gone up from around 80p to about £1.80 in less than a year so it sounds like they know what they're doing. So good choice!

    Cloudflare is one of those companies that no-one has heard of, but they run the backbone of most of the internet as we know it today. No-one knows of them because they’re business-to-business, as with Nvidia they’re the ones selling shovels in the Internet gold rush.

    Pretty much any website with a lot of video or spikes in load is going to be running Cloudflare, apart from Youtube, Amazon, and Facebook, who run their own content delivery networks.
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