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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,171

    Raises eyebrow...

    Public ‘misled’ over fall in NHS waiting lists

    Figures fell because patients who had died, moved abroad or no longer needed treatment were removed from lists, Quality Watch report finds
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/13/labour-misled-public-nhs-waiting-lists-fall-deaths/

    Exclusive: Ministers using ‘misleading indicator’ to champion waiting list reduction

    The recent reduction in the waiting list repeatedly cited by ministers as evidence of the NHS’s recovery has given a “misleading” impression to the public about the service’s underlying performance, two leading think tanks have warned.

    https://www.hsj.co.uk/quality-and-performance/exclusive-ministers-using-misleading-indicator-to-champion-waiting-list-reduction/7039851.article

    Patients who no longer need appointments have always been removed from the waiting list but they have recently had a “more noticeable impact”.

    “Since September 2023, this shift has helped the NHS get control of the waiting list, even while according to its own data it is still treating fewer patients than are being referred,” the report said.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/13/labour-misled-public-nhs-waiting-lists-fall-deaths/ (£££)

    Wes Streeting – fiddling the figures since September 2023.
    That isn't really the claim. It seems more like the way the NHS deals with the data can give a false impression of the situation on the ground that is reported to the government, who then parrot these figures.

    It is another example of general poor and inconsistent data across the public sector. The Nuffield Trust had to do a load of manual data cleaning to get this more accurate picture out.
    Yes, but it's the Telegraph again.

    They have half a point if Streeting has been claiming success in reducing waiting lists, as opposed to describing what's happened.

    But entirely negate that by performing their own bit of dishonesty.

    It's a useless rag these days.
    Having a political stance is fine; dishonest reporting isn't.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,081
    edited August 14
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    It saddens me, but this site - this pub - is dying. Visitors are in major decline

    The deadly PB centrist Dads chased away @williamglenn and he has not returned. And he was an absolutely key, crucial commenter. You stupid fucking fools banned him, simply because you didn't like his rightwing opinions. And now look where we are. He didn't even break any rules - he was banned for "wrongthink"

    You are utter fucking imbeciles. You have turned this place into Bluesky. And no one uses Bluesky. Morons

    I don’t know if that is the reason, but it does feel like the peak is behind us. In the early to mid 2010s, leading up to the referendum it was brilliant on here, despite me being banned about a hundred times for one thing or another.

    Richard Nabavi, Tim, Antifrank, Southam Observer, Charles, Mike Smithson, Plato; these were big characters that have been written out or left and not replaced. Can’t think why really, but it is a shame
    The site was at its worse during the 2024 Presidential election, when anything anti-Trump was cheered and anything pro-Trump (i.e. that he might win) was rounded on and shouted down such that some people stopped posting.

    That was totally unforgivable. It's the sort of thing that could have led to a splinter site - the "real" politicalbetting.com - as the original one was recognised to have lost its way.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,603

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    It saddens me, but this site - this pub - is dying. Visitors are in major decline

    The deadly PB centrist Dads chased away @williamglenn and he has not returned. And he was an absolutely key, crucial commenter. You stupid fucking fools banned him, simply because you didn't like his rightwing opinions. And now look where we are. He didn't even break any rules - he was banned for "wrongthink"

    You are utter fucking imbeciles. You have turned this place into Bluesky. And no one uses Bluesky. Morons

    I don’t know if that is the reason, but it does feel like the peak is behind us. In the early to mid 2010s, leading up to the referendum it was brilliant on here, despite me being banned about a hundred times for one thing or another.

    Richard Nabavi, Tim, Antifrank, Southam Observer, Charles, Mike Smithson, Plato; these were big characters that have been written out or left and not replaced. Can’t think why really, but it is a shame
    The site was at its worse during the 2024 Presidential election, when anything anti-Trump was cheered and anything pro-Trump (i.e. that he might win) was rounded on and shouted down such that some people stopped posting.

    That was totally unforgivable. It's the sort of thing that could have led to a splinter site - the "real" politicalbetting.com - as the original one was recognised to have lost its way.
    The early days of the 2017 election were similar; if you didn’t join in the game of predicting which Labour stronghold Mrs May was about to capture, no-one really wanted to know.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,291
    edited August 14
    TRANSFER SHOCK Cops probe gun plot linked to Arsenal’s £64m Viktor Gyokeres signing after double shooting at home of agent’s relative
    The relative is thought to have bragged about receiving a slice of the huge signing fee

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/36277255/agent-gyokeres-arsenal-transfer-blackmail-gunshots-stockholm/

    ETA vague memories of Scouse gangsters kyboshing Stevie G's move from Anfield.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592
    rcs1000 said:

    Raises eyebrow...

    Public ‘misled’ over fall in NHS waiting lists

    Figures fell because patients who had died, moved abroad or no longer needed treatment were removed from lists, Quality Watch report finds
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/13/labour-misled-public-nhs-waiting-lists-fall-deaths/

    Exclusive: Ministers using ‘misleading indicator’ to champion waiting list reduction

    The recent reduction in the waiting list repeatedly cited by ministers as evidence of the NHS’s recovery has given a “misleading” impression to the public about the service’s underlying performance, two leading think tanks have warned.

    https://www.hsj.co.uk/quality-and-performance/exclusive-ministers-using-misleading-indicator-to-champion-waiting-list-reduction/7039851.article

    Isn't that perfectly normal? I.e. people will die or move, or be removed from waiting lists all the time. Now, is it possible there was a one-off big purge? Sure, that's possible. But waiting lists are always going to be affected by people moving and dying.
    Yes, it is perfectly normal and happens all the time. One of the roles of our waiting list managers is to regularly clean up the data.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,273

    TRANSFER SHOCK Cops probe gun plot linked to Arsenal’s £64m Viktor Gyokeres signing after double shooting at home of agent’s relative
    The relative is thought to have bragged about receiving a slice of the huge signing fee

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/36277255/agent-gyokeres-arsenal-transfer-blackmail-gunshots-stockholm/

    ETA vague memories of Scouse gangsters kyboshing Stevie G's move from Anfield.

    Also alleged involvement of serious London gangster in dealings with Wayne Rooneys agent.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/dalglish-got-gangster-to-aid-rooney-agent-7907074.html
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,353

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    It saddens me, but this site - this pub - is dying. Visitors are in major decline

    The deadly PB centrist Dads chased away @williamglenn and he has not returned. And he was an absolutely key, crucial commenter. You stupid fucking fools banned him, simply because you didn't like his rightwing opinions. And now look where we are. He didn't even break any rules - he was banned for "wrongthink"

    You are utter fucking imbeciles. You have turned this place into Bluesky. And no one uses Bluesky. Morons

    I don’t know if that is the reason, but it does feel like the peak is behind us. In the early to mid 2010s, leading up to the referendum it was brilliant on here, despite me being banned about a hundred times for one thing or another.

    Richard Nabavi, Tim, Antifrank, Southam Observer, Charles, Mike Smithson, Plato; these were big characters that have been written out or left and not replaced. Can’t think why really, but it is a shame
    The site was at its worse during the 2024 Presidential election, when anything anti-Trump was cheered and anything pro-Trump (i.e. that he might win) was rounded on and shouted down such that some people stopped posting.

    That was totally unforgivable. It's the sort of thing that could have led to a splinter site - the "real" politicalbetting.com - as the original one was recognised to have lost its way.
    But don't you want to know who you are betting against so you have more satisfaction when you take their money ('cos it's not the bookies) ?
  • London chess prodigy, 10, becomes master player
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crlz56n9798o

    I was wondering what had happened to Rachel Reeves, not.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    It saddens me, but this site - this pub - is dying. Visitors are in major decline

    The deadly PB centrist Dads chased away @williamglenn and he has not returned. And he was an absolutely key, crucial commenter. You stupid fucking fools banned him, simply because you didn't like his rightwing opinions. And now look where we are. He didn't even break any rules - he was banned for "wrongthink"

    You are utter fucking imbeciles. You have turned this place into Bluesky. And no one uses Bluesky. Morons

    I don’t know if that is the reason, but it does feel like the peak is behind us. In the early to mid 2010s, leading up to the referendum it was brilliant on here, despite me being banned about a hundred times for one thing or another.

    Richard Nabavi, Tim, Antifrank, Southam Observer, Charles, Mike Smithson, Plato; these were big characters that have been written out or left and not replaced. Can’t think why really, but it is a shame
    The site was at its worse during the 2024 Presidential election, when anything anti-Trump was cheered and anything pro-Trump (i.e. that he might win) was rounded on and shouted down such that some people stopped posting.

    That was totally unforgivable. It's the sort of thing that could have led to a splinter site - the "real" politicalbetting.com - as the original one was recognised to have lost its way.
    I am not sure that is true. I wrote a long header about Evangelicals and Trump, which was well received.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/09/22/they-shall-take-up-serpents-god-guns-abortion-and-trump/

    Though there were and are few Trump supporters on here, a lot of us recognised that he might well win. Key to political betting is separating ones own views from analysis of bets.

    If PB is a bit flat at present, I wouldn't just blame Leon's narcissm. It's the summer silly season and there are few things to actually bet on politically. Next years Welsh and Scottish elections and US mid terms are a long way off.

    There are only so many thingss to say about Starmer and Badenoch being crap. The polls have settled and are not moving much, but that was true for nearly 2 years from May 2017 and a very poor forecast for the election 9 months later.

    So PB is in a seasonal lull, no more.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,273

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    It saddens me, but this site - this pub - is dying. Visitors are in major decline

    The deadly PB centrist Dads chased away @williamglenn and he has not returned. And he was an absolutely key, crucial commenter. You stupid fucking fools banned him, simply because you didn't like his rightwing opinions. And now look where we are. He didn't even break any rules - he was banned for "wrongthink"

    You are utter fucking imbeciles. You have turned this place into Bluesky. And no one uses Bluesky. Morons

    I don’t know if that is the reason, but it does feel like the peak is behind us. In the early to mid 2010s, leading up to the referendum it was brilliant on here, despite me being banned about a hundred times for one thing or another.

    Richard Nabavi, Tim, Antifrank, Southam Observer, Charles, Mike Smithson, Plato; these were big characters that have been written out or left and not replaced. Can’t think why really, but it is a shame
    The site was at its worse during the 2024 Presidential election, when anything anti-Trump was cheered and anything pro-Trump (i.e. that he might win) was rounded on and shouted down such that some people stopped posting.

    That was totally unforgivable. It's the sort of thing that could have led to a splinter site - the "real" politicalbetting.com - as the original one was recognised to have lost its way.

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    It saddens me, but this site - this pub - is dying. Visitors are in major decline

    The deadly PB centrist Dads chased away @williamglenn and he has not returned. And he was an absolutely key, crucial commenter. You stupid fucking fools banned him, simply because you didn't like his rightwing opinions. And now look where we are. He didn't even break any rules - he was banned for "wrongthink"

    You are utter fucking imbeciles. You have turned this place into Bluesky. And no one uses Bluesky. Morons

    I don’t know if that is the reason, but it does feel like the peak is behind us. In the early to mid 2010s, leading up to the referendum it was brilliant on here, despite me being banned about a hundred times for one thing or another.

    Richard Nabavi, Tim, Antifrank, Southam Observer, Charles, Mike Smithson, Plato; these were big characters that have been written out or left and not replaced. Can’t think why really, but it is a shame
    The site was at its worse during the 2024 Presidential election, when anything anti-Trump was cheered and anything pro-Trump (i.e. that he might win) was rounded on and shouted down such that some people stopped posting.

    That was totally unforgivable. It's the sort of thing that could have led to a splinter site - the "real" politicalbetting.com - as the original one was recognised to have lost its way.
    The 2024 presidential election, especially that rogue Iowa poll, was crazy. Poor old William Glenn took a lot of crap from Kamala fanboys simply wishcasting.

    He was quite right too.

    Any comment that Trump may win was just dumped on, usually by the same handful of obsessive people.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,487

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    It saddens me, but this site - this pub - is dying. Visitors are in major decline

    The deadly PB centrist Dads chased away @williamglenn and he has not returned. And he was an absolutely key, crucial commenter. You stupid fucking fools banned him, simply because you didn't like his rightwing opinions. And now look where we are. He didn't even break any rules - he was banned for "wrongthink"

    You are utter fucking imbeciles. You have turned this place into Bluesky. And no one uses Bluesky. Morons

    I don’t know if that is the reason, but it does feel like the peak is behind us. In the early to mid 2010s, leading up to the referendum it was brilliant on here, despite me being banned about a hundred times for one thing or another.

    Richard Nabavi, Tim, Antifrank, Southam Observer, Charles, Mike Smithson, Plato; these were big characters that have been written out or left and not replaced. Can’t think why really, but it is a shame
    The site was at its worse during the 2024 Presidential election, when anything anti-Trump was cheered and anything pro-Trump (i.e. that he might win) was rounded on and shouted down such that some people stopped posting.

    That was totally unforgivable. It's the sort of thing that could have led to a splinter site - the "real" politicalbetting.com - as the original one was recognised to have lost its way.
    Huh? It was the consensus from almost all of us that Trump might win.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,273
    The job market is truly dire for graduates and people at the moment.

    I’m sure the young will come to loathe HR professionals and recruiters as much as I do, from my time contracting.

    https://x.com/mcrj1996/status/1955673544807022888?s=61
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,164
    isam said:

    ..

    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    It saddens me, but this site - this pub - is dying. Visitors are in major decline

    The deadly PB centrist Dads chased away @williamglenn and he has not returned. And he was an absolutely key, crucial commenter. You stupid fucking fools banned him, simply because you didn't like his rightwing opinions. And now look where we are. He didn't even break any rules - he was banned for "wrongthink"

    You are utter fucking imbeciles. You have turned this place into Bluesky. And no one uses Bluesky. Morons

    I don’t know if that is the reason, but it does feel like the peak is behind us. In the early to mid 2010s, leading up to the referendum it was brilliant on here, despite me being banned about a hundred times for one thing or another.

    Richard Nabavi, Tim, Antifrank, Southam Observer, Charles, Mike Smithson, Plato; these were big characters that have been written out or left and not replaced. Can’t think why really, but it is a shame
    They were all great posters. The site was more interesting when they were here.
    It seems like people then were expressing their true feelings, albeit often in a provocative way, and arguing their case intellectually rather than just trolling from entrenched positions. Maybe it’s just everyone’s getting old; I certainly can’t be bothered as often to have a ding dong on here, and I used to on a daily basis.
    I miss the PB Tories, always wanting us LDs to replace Labour while simultaneously wanting us to agree with Tory policies.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,291

    London chess prodigy, 10, becomes master player
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crlz56n9798o

    I was wondering what had happened to Rachel Reeves, not.
    I was wondering if Rishi's free chess sets were involved – as a 10-year-old it is possible – but apparently she picked up the game during the pandemic when a departing uncle gave her a chessboard.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,081
    Battlebus said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    It saddens me, but this site - this pub - is dying. Visitors are in major decline

    The deadly PB centrist Dads chased away @williamglenn and he has not returned. And he was an absolutely key, crucial commenter. You stupid fucking fools banned him, simply because you didn't like his rightwing opinions. And now look where we are. He didn't even break any rules - he was banned for "wrongthink"

    You are utter fucking imbeciles. You have turned this place into Bluesky. And no one uses Bluesky. Morons

    I don’t know if that is the reason, but it does feel like the peak is behind us. In the early to mid 2010s, leading up to the referendum it was brilliant on here, despite me being banned about a hundred times for one thing or another.

    Richard Nabavi, Tim, Antifrank, Southam Observer, Charles, Mike Smithson, Plato; these were big characters that have been written out or left and not replaced. Can’t think why really, but it is a shame
    The site was at its worse during the 2024 Presidential election, when anything anti-Trump was cheered and anything pro-Trump (i.e. that he might win) was rounded on and shouted down such that some people stopped posting.

    That was totally unforgivable. It's the sort of thing that could have led to a splinter site - the "real" politicalbetting.com - as the original one was recognised to have lost its way.
    But don't you want to know who you are betting against so you have more satisfaction when you take their money ('cos it's not the bookies) ?
    Yes, but I come here for betting tips and analysis not to strut and crow.

    Well, not much.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,291
    Taz said:

    The job market is truly dire for graduates and people at the moment.

    I’m sure the young will come to loathe HR professionals and recruiters as much as I do, from my time contracting.

    https://x.com/mcrj1996/status/1955673544807022888?s=61

    LOL at that tweet:-
    Can I just say on behalf of taxpayers everywhere how delighted I am to have been able to prevent this young lady from having to debase herself by working in a café and instead buy international air tickets.

    This is a global phenomenon: here, America, Australia, India. Graduate unemployment, that is, not tone-deaf Times articles.

    As ever, our rulers are behind the curve and trying to force the long-term unemployed or sick off the dole when it would be better for employers and employees alike to give any jobs to people who are actively looking.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,081

    Finally.

    Braveheart is a load of bollocks, says Brian Cox

    The pro-Scottish independence actor turned down a part in the film before being persuaded to appear by its star Mel Gibson


    Scotland’s greatest living male actor has finally admitted what the rest of the world suspected — Braveheart is “bollocks”.

    Brian Cox, who agreed to star in the 1995 Oscar-winning film after repeated entreaties from its director and star Mel Gibson, said the script was “crap” and that liberties were taken with historical accuracy.

    “The film is just bollocks. It doesn’t make any sense,” the 79-year-old actor told the Edinburgh International Book Festival.

    Cox revealed that he had initially turned down Braveheart, instead opting to perform in Rob Roy — another Scottish historical epic that was due to be shot at the same time.

    He said Gibson then pleaded with him to take a part in the film and Cox finally relented.

    “I said, well, there is a very good part at the beginning, a guy called Argyle but I’m wrong for him because he should be cadaverous and thin. And he [Gibson] said: “No, you can play it.”

    Cox added: “I just didn’t want to be in a kilt. Of course they didn’t have kilts in those days but they had to have kilts [in the film] because that is what it is about.”

    In response to questioning from film critic Mark Kermode, Cox agreed the film was “tosh-like”, adding: “It is a f***ing lie, the whole thing.”

    Braveheart, which won the best picture Oscar, has been lauded by generations of Scottish nationalist politicians, with the late Alex Salmond’s Alba Party even channelling the film in a 2021 campaign advert.

    At its premiere in 1995, Salmond — in reference to the film’s central character William Wallace being hung, drawn and quartered in London — said he would “decapitate” his then political opponent, Michael Forsyth.


    https://www.thetimes.com/culture/film/article/braveheart-film-bollocks-brian-cox-edinburgh-festival-dkvlv5203?t=1755118506484

    I was in Scotland at the time as a teenager. There was a marked rise in Anti-Englishness in the aftermath of that film's release.

    I've never been a fan.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,081
    Taz said:

    The job market is truly dire for graduates and people at the moment.

    I’m sure the young will come to loathe HR professionals and recruiters as much as I do, from my time contracting.

    https://x.com/mcrj1996/status/1955673544807022888?s=61

    Most HR professionals and recruiters are both dense and lazy. They don't understand a candidates potential fit unless it precisely matches the JD, and even then they expect you to do all the qualification and work for the role, before taking their 10-20% commission if successful.

    I've got all my good jobs through personal references in my network.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,081
    kamski said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    It saddens me, but this site - this pub - is dying. Visitors are in major decline

    The deadly PB centrist Dads chased away @williamglenn and he has not returned. And he was an absolutely key, crucial commenter. You stupid fucking fools banned him, simply because you didn't like his rightwing opinions. And now look where we are. He didn't even break any rules - he was banned for "wrongthink"

    You are utter fucking imbeciles. You have turned this place into Bluesky. And no one uses Bluesky. Morons

    I don’t know if that is the reason, but it does feel like the peak is behind us. In the early to mid 2010s, leading up to the referendum it was brilliant on here, despite me being banned about a hundred times for one thing or another.

    Richard Nabavi, Tim, Antifrank, Southam Observer, Charles, Mike Smithson, Plato; these were big characters that have been written out or left and not replaced. Can’t think why really, but it is a shame
    The site was at its worse during the 2024 Presidential election, when anything anti-Trump was cheered and anything pro-Trump (i.e. that he might win) was rounded on and shouted down such that some people stopped posting.

    That was totally unforgivable. It's the sort of thing that could have led to a splinter site - the "real" politicalbetting.com - as the original one was recognised to have lost its way.
    Huh? It was the consensus from almost all of us that Trump might win.
    Absolute bollocks.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,291

    Taz said:

    The job market is truly dire for graduates and people at the moment.

    I’m sure the young will come to loathe HR professionals and recruiters as much as I do, from my time contracting.

    https://x.com/mcrj1996/status/1955673544807022888?s=61

    Most HR professionals and recruiters are both dense and lazy. They don't understand a candidates potential fit unless it precisely matches the JD, and even then they expect you to do all the qualification and work for the role, before taking their 10-20% commission if successful.

    I've got all my good jobs through personal references in my network.
    Nepo baby?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,081
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    It saddens me, but this site - this pub - is dying. Visitors are in major decline

    The deadly PB centrist Dads chased away @williamglenn and he has not returned. And he was an absolutely key, crucial commenter. You stupid fucking fools banned him, simply because you didn't like his rightwing opinions. And now look where we are. He didn't even break any rules - he was banned for "wrongthink"

    You are utter fucking imbeciles. You have turned this place into Bluesky. And no one uses Bluesky. Morons

    I don’t know if that is the reason, but it does feel like the peak is behind us. In the early to mid 2010s, leading up to the referendum it was brilliant on here, despite me being banned about a hundred times for one thing or another.

    Richard Nabavi, Tim, Antifrank, Southam Observer, Charles, Mike Smithson, Plato; these were big characters that have been written out or left and not replaced. Can’t think why really, but it is a shame
    The site was at its worse during the 2024 Presidential election, when anything anti-Trump was cheered and anything pro-Trump (i.e. that he might win) was rounded on and shouted down such that some people stopped posting.

    That was totally unforgivable. It's the sort of thing that could have led to a splinter site - the "real" politicalbetting.com - as the original one was recognised to have lost its way.
    I am not sure that is true. I wrote a long header about Evangelicals and Trump, which was well received.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/09/22/they-shall-take-up-serpents-god-guns-abortion-and-trump/

    Though there were and are few Trump supporters on here, a lot of us recognised that he might well win. Key to political betting is separating ones own views from analysis of bets.

    If PB is a bit flat at present, I wouldn't just blame Leon's narcissm. It's the summer silly season and there are few things to actually bet on politically. Next years Welsh and Scottish elections and US mid terms are a long way off.

    There are only so many thingss to say about Starmer and Badenoch being crap. The polls have settled and are not moving much, but that was true for nearly 2 years from May 2017 and a very poor forecast for the election 9 months later.

    So PB is in a seasonal lull, no more.
    It's absolutely true. People's memories are now highly selective because he won. No doubt, if he hadn't, we'd have a lot of people on here crowing about how they'd been vindicated and were right all along. It was only @williamglenn and occasionally @Leon who postulated this, and were rounded upon, with some sober analysis injected at times by @Sean_F . Almost everyone else, including me, either tubthumped against Trump or stayed silent.

    Your vanity is quite funny reposting your thread header saying it was "well received" though.

    Gentle tip: not everything is about you. Perhaps @Leon isn't the only narcissist.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,411
    Who the hell reads the fourth and fifth paragraphs?

    But it's also a stronger showing than expected. Economists polled by Reuters had only anticipated GDP expansion of 0.1% across April to June.

    The figure was better than anticipated after a strong June. Across the month, GDP rose 0.4%, surprising observers.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,081

    Taz said:

    The job market is truly dire for graduates and people at the moment.

    I’m sure the young will come to loathe HR professionals and recruiters as much as I do, from my time contracting.

    https://x.com/mcrj1996/status/1955673544807022888?s=61

    Most HR professionals and recruiters are both dense and lazy. They don't understand a candidates potential fit unless it precisely matches the JD, and even then they expect you to do all the qualification and work for the role, before taking their 10-20% commission if successful.

    I've got all my good jobs through personal references in my network.
    Nepo baby?
    No, these are people I've worked with in my professional career who know me and what I can do and move around different companies.

    This is quite normal.

    They can introduce and position you credibly with their new firm, and highlight just what a good candidate you are and what you can do - before you even get to the interview.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,805

    Who the hell reads the fourth and fifth paragraphs?

    But it's also a stronger showing than expected. Economists polled by Reuters had only anticipated GDP expansion of 0.1% across April to June.

    The figure was better than anticipated after a strong June. Across the month, GDP rose 0.4%, surprising observers.
    The general theme on growth at the moment is meh, as it’s been for several years.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,273
    Let’s see the detail. It’s wonderfully vague is that article.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592
    edited August 14

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    It saddens me, but this site - this pub - is dying. Visitors are in major decline

    The deadly PB centrist Dads chased away @williamglenn and he has not returned. And he was an absolutely key, crucial commenter. You stupid fucking fools banned him, simply because you didn't like his rightwing opinions. And now look where we are. He didn't even break any rules - he was banned for "wrongthink"

    You are utter fucking imbeciles. You have turned this place into Bluesky. And no one uses Bluesky. Morons

    I don’t know if that is the reason, but it does feel like the peak is behind us. In the early to mid 2010s, leading up to the referendum it was brilliant on here, despite me being banned about a hundred times for one thing or another.

    Richard Nabavi, Tim, Antifrank, Southam Observer, Charles, Mike Smithson, Plato; these were big characters that have been written out or left and not replaced. Can’t think why really, but it is a shame
    The site was at its worse during the 2024 Presidential election, when anything anti-Trump was cheered and anything pro-Trump (i.e. that he might win) was rounded on and shouted down such that some people stopped posting.

    That was totally unforgivable. It's the sort of thing that could have led to a splinter site - the "real" politicalbetting.com - as the original one was recognised to have lost its way.
    I am not sure that is true. I wrote a long header about Evangelicals and Trump, which was well received.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/09/22/they-shall-take-up-serpents-god-guns-abortion-and-trump/

    Though there were and are few Trump supporters on here, a lot of us recognised that he might well win. Key to political betting is separating ones own views from analysis of bets.

    If PB is a bit flat at present, I wouldn't just blame Leon's narcissm. It's the summer silly season and there are few things to actually bet on politically. Next years Welsh and Scottish elections and US mid terms are a long way off.

    There are only so many thingss to say about Starmer and Badenoch being crap. The polls have settled and are not moving much, but that was true for nearly 2 years from May 2017 and a very poor forecast for the election 9 months later.

    So PB is in a seasonal lull, no more.
    It's absolutely true. People's memories are now highly selective because he won. No doubt, if he hadn't, we'd have a lot of people on here crowing about how they'd been vindicated and were right all along. It was only @williamglenn and occasionally @Leon who postulated this, and were rounded upon, with some sober analysis injected at times by @Sean_F . Almost everyone else, including me, either tubthumped against Trump or stayed silent.

    Your vanity is quite funny reposting your thread header saying it was "well received" though.

    Gentle tip: not everything is about you. Perhaps @Leon isn't the only narcissist.
    Now there's the pot calling the kettle black!

    Just read the comments under the thread if you don't believe that it was well received. Plenty there too discussing why Trump might well win, and not being shouted down. I posted the link as a form of evidence but there are plenty of other similar comments under other threads.

    If you want to see intolerance and being shouted down, just wait for my next header "White Privilege, Intersectional Feminism and the Case for Slavery Reparations"

    I am anticipating some adverse comments 😇
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,273
    Scott_xP said:

    @Fritschner

    The guy Trump nominated to lead the Bureau of Labor Statistics at January 6, amazing scoop by Ryan Reilly

    https://x.com/Fritschner/status/1955788956643233841

    Of more concern should be whoever replaces JPow as fed chair.

    Bessent is already saying interest rates are 1.5 - 1.75% too high so big pressure on whoever comes in to make a substantial cut. Even if they go 0.5% in September.

    Bessent is even talking about issuing US debt in Stablecoins !
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,367
    edited August 14

    rcs1000 said:

    Raises eyebrow...

    Public ‘misled’ over fall in NHS waiting lists

    Figures fell because patients who had died, moved abroad or no longer needed treatment were removed from lists, Quality Watch report finds
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/13/labour-misled-public-nhs-waiting-lists-fall-deaths/

    Exclusive: Ministers using ‘misleading indicator’ to champion waiting list reduction

    The recent reduction in the waiting list repeatedly cited by ministers as evidence of the NHS’s recovery has given a “misleading” impression to the public about the service’s underlying performance, two leading think tanks have warned.

    https://www.hsj.co.uk/quality-and-performance/exclusive-ministers-using-misleading-indicator-to-champion-waiting-list-reduction/7039851.article

    Isn't that perfectly normal? I.e. people will die or move, or be removed from waiting lists all the time. Now, is it possible there was a one-off big purge? Sure, that's possible. But waiting lists are always going to be affected by people moving and dying.
    Of course, the issue is about the poor way the data is being recorded and then collected.

    "The researchers had to calculate the figures manually because they are not explicitly reported in NHS data"

    The real trends are been hidden because it isn't being collated correctly. It seems incredibly surprising that the obvious things that will happen are not being incorporated correctly into the figures given to the minister.
    If the data was being routinely collated and presented on some kind of “dashboard” website…

    But thats madness, if you listen to the “experts”. Who have no expertise in medicine, data collation, presentation, storage or security, of course.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,367
    Nigelb said:

    Leon doing main character syndrome again.
    He used to be interesting.

    He’s just an NPC

    2 hit points, maybe.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592

    Taz said:

    The job market is truly dire for graduates and people at the moment.

    I’m sure the young will come to loathe HR professionals and recruiters as much as I do, from my time contracting.

    https://x.com/mcrj1996/status/1955673544807022888?s=61

    LOL at that tweet:-
    Can I just say on behalf of taxpayers everywhere how delighted I am to have been able to prevent this young lady from having to debase herself by working in a café and instead buy international air tickets.

    This is a global phenomenon: here, America, Australia, India. Graduate unemployment, that is, not tone-deaf Times articles.

    As ever, our rulers are behind the curve and trying to force the long-term unemployed or sick off the dole when it would be better for employers and employees alike to give any jobs to people who are actively looking.
    A valid point.

    A further one might be that clamping down on immigration has been associated with a rise, rather than fall in UK unemployment. Similar in the USA too.

    It's almost as if the economy is not a zero sum game.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,275
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Fritschner

    The guy Trump nominated to lead the Bureau of Labor Statistics at January 6, amazing scoop by Ryan Reilly

    https://x.com/Fritschner/status/1955788956643233841

    Of more concern should be whoever replaces JPow as fed chair.

    Bessent is already saying interest rates are 1.5 - 1.75% too high so big pressure on whoever comes in to make a substantial cut. Even if they go 0.5% in September.

    Bessent is even talking about issuing US debt in Stablecoins !
    Has anyone told them yet that the Fed rate decision is by committee?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,691
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Fritschner

    The guy Trump nominated to lead the Bureau of Labor Statistics at January 6, amazing scoop by Ryan Reilly

    https://x.com/Fritschner/status/1955788956643233841

    Of more concern should be whoever replaces JPow as fed chair.

    Bessent is already saying interest rates are 1.5 - 1.75% too high so big pressure on whoever comes in to make a substantial cut. Even if they go 0.5% in September.

    Bessent is even talking about issuing US debt in Stablecoins !
    When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. Trump wants to see a big fall in the Buck. He doesn't understand that inflation will cancel most of the competitive gain and that LT investment into the US would fall, especially as the rule of law in Trumpistan is falling apart. The discount that investors will need to buy dollar earning assets is way beyond the potential gain.

    So sooner or later the trickle out of USD becomes a flood and a major crisis. The bear is out there somewhere, and the forest is growing nervous.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,275

    Taz said:

    The job market is truly dire for graduates and people at the moment.

    I’m sure the young will come to loathe HR professionals and recruiters as much as I do, from my time contracting.

    https://x.com/mcrj1996/status/1955673544807022888?s=61

    Most HR professionals and recruiters are both dense and lazy. They don't understand a candidates potential fit unless it precisely matches the JD, and even then they expect you to do all the qualification and work for the role, before taking their 10-20% commission if successful.

    I've got all my good jobs through personal references in my network.
    I'm so old that the last two jobs I had before I became self-employed for the last seven years of my career, I obtained in response to something called a 'newspaper advertisement'.


  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,252

    NEW THREAD

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592

    rcs1000 said:

    Raises eyebrow...

    Public ‘misled’ over fall in NHS waiting lists

    Figures fell because patients who had died, moved abroad or no longer needed treatment were removed from lists, Quality Watch report finds
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/13/labour-misled-public-nhs-waiting-lists-fall-deaths/

    Exclusive: Ministers using ‘misleading indicator’ to champion waiting list reduction

    The recent reduction in the waiting list repeatedly cited by ministers as evidence of the NHS’s recovery has given a “misleading” impression to the public about the service’s underlying performance, two leading think tanks have warned.

    https://www.hsj.co.uk/quality-and-performance/exclusive-ministers-using-misleading-indicator-to-champion-waiting-list-reduction/7039851.article

    Isn't that perfectly normal? I.e. people will die or move, or be removed from waiting lists all the time. Now, is it possible there was a one-off big purge? Sure, that's possible. But waiting lists are always going to be affected by people moving and dying.
    Of course, the issue is about the poor way the data is being recorded and then collected.

    "The researchers had to calculate the figures manually because they are not explicitly reported in NHS data"

    The real trends are been hidden because it isn't being collated correctly. It seems incredibly surprising that the obvious things that will happen are not being incorporated correctly into the figures given to the minister.
    If the data was being routinely collated and presented on some kind of “dashboard” website…

    But thats madness, if you listen to the “experts”. Who have no expertise in medicine, data collation, presentation, storage or security, of course.
    I wouldn't expect the data to get any more accurate any time soon. We are busy sacking in the name of efficiency the people who manage the data.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,677

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    It saddens me, but this site - this pub - is dying. Visitors are in major decline

    The deadly PB centrist Dads chased away @williamglenn and he has not returned. And he was an absolutely key, crucial commenter. You stupid fucking fools banned him, simply because you didn't like his rightwing opinions. And now look where we are. He didn't even break any rules - he was banned for "wrongthink"

    You are utter fucking imbeciles. You have turned this place into Bluesky. And no one uses Bluesky. Morons

    I don’t know if that is the reason, but it does feel like the peak is behind us. In the early to mid 2010s, leading up to the referendum it was brilliant on here, despite me being banned about a hundred times for one thing or another.

    Richard Nabavi, Tim, Antifrank, Southam Observer, Charles, Mike Smithson, Plato; these were big characters that have been written out or left and not replaced. Can’t think why really, but it is a shame
    The site was at its worse during the 2024 Presidential election, when anything anti-Trump was cheered and anything pro-Trump (i.e. that he might win) was rounded on and shouted down such that some people stopped posting.

    That was totally unforgivable. It's the sort of thing that could have led to a splinter site - the "real" politicalbetting.com - as the original one was recognised to have lost its way.
    I am not sure that is true. I wrote a long header about Evangelicals and Trump, which was well received.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/09/22/they-shall-take-up-serpents-god-guns-abortion-and-trump/

    Though there were and are few Trump supporters on here, a lot of us recognised that he might well win. Key to political betting is separating ones own views from analysis of bets.

    If PB is a bit flat at present, I wouldn't just blame Leon's narcissm. It's the summer silly season and there are few things to actually bet on politically. Next years Welsh and Scottish elections and US mid terms are a long way off.

    There are only so many thingss to say about Starmer and Badenoch being crap. The polls have settled and are not moving much, but that was true for nearly 2 years from May 2017 and a very poor forecast for the election 9 months later.

    So PB is in a seasonal lull, no more.
    It's absolutely true. People's memories are now highly selective because he won. No doubt, if he hadn't, we'd have a lot of people on here crowing about how they'd been vindicated and were right all along. It was only @williamglenn and occasionally @Leon who postulated this, and were rounded upon, with some sober analysis injected at times by @Sean_F . Almost everyone else, including me, either tubthumped against Trump or stayed silent.

    Your vanity is quite funny reposting your thread header saying it was "well received" though.

    Gentle tip: not everything is about you. Perhaps @Leon isn't the only narcissist.
    Even Leondamus (somewhat regretfully) thought Harris would win.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,275
    I see we've had another late night Leon meltdown.

    Heat and gin and wallpaper fears no doubt.

    Did he flounce in the end? I can't be bothered wading through the whole thread.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,805
    Cicero said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Fritschner

    The guy Trump nominated to lead the Bureau of Labor Statistics at January 6, amazing scoop by Ryan Reilly

    https://x.com/Fritschner/status/1955788956643233841

    Of more concern should be whoever replaces JPow as fed chair.

    Bessent is already saying interest rates are 1.5 - 1.75% too high so big pressure on whoever comes in to make a substantial cut. Even if they go 0.5% in September.

    Bessent is even talking about issuing US debt in Stablecoins !
    When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. Trump wants to see a big fall in the Buck. He doesn't understand that inflation will cancel most of the competitive gain and that LT investment into the US would fall, especially as the rule of law in Trumpistan is falling apart. The discount that investors will need to buy dollar earning assets is way beyond the potential gain.

    So sooner or later the trickle out of USD becomes a flood and a major crisis. The bear is out there somewhere, and the forest is growing nervous.
    I’d love to agree, but it’s not what’s happening in large businesses. For roughly 6 years now (half of Trump 1, all of Biden, and the last few months of Trump 2 save a few weeks during the tariff madness, I’ve seen an inexorable drift of investment and location decisions in multinationals towards the US. That’s not going to change unless Trump really blows it.

    The reasons are:

    1. Business Tax: the corporate tax cut in the TCJA in 2017 and the vast incentives of the IRA in the last term, and now some further tweaks including the deal on pillar 2, that make it yet more favourable to invest in the US and punishing to do so elsewhere
    2. Talent: there is simply the benefit of huge scale and mobility in the labour force that even China doesn’t possess yet, and Europe has not fully managed to achieve despite free movement because of language and cultural barriers
    3. Investor dollars: still way more scale up capital and liquidity out there, though that’s a longer term feature
    4. Size of market
    5. Energy prices, which are way lower than Europe thanks to the fracking boom and a renewables explosion

    The only major things holding the US back are political uncertainty, crap infrastructure!and the eye watering cost of labour.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,273

    Taz said:

    The job market is truly dire for graduates and people at the moment.

    I’m sure the young will come to loathe HR professionals and recruiters as much as I do, from my time contracting.

    https://x.com/mcrj1996/status/1955673544807022888?s=61

    Most HR professionals and recruiters are both dense and lazy. They don't understand a candidates potential fit unless it precisely matches the JD, and even then they expect you to do all the qualification and work for the role, before taking their 10-20% commission if successful.

    I've got all my good jobs through personal references in my network.
    After my first contract role which I found via a recruiter the same applies to me. Get in, do a good job, expand your network, rewards will come.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,171
    Cicero said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Fritschner

    The guy Trump nominated to lead the Bureau of Labor Statistics at January 6, amazing scoop by Ryan Reilly

    https://x.com/Fritschner/status/1955788956643233841

    Of more concern should be whoever replaces JPow as fed chair.

    Bessent is already saying interest rates are 1.5 - 1.75% too high so big pressure on whoever comes in to make a substantial cut. Even if they go 0.5% in September.

    Bessent is even talking about issuing US debt in Stablecoins !
    When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. Trump wants to see a big fall in the Buck. He doesn't understand that inflation will cancel most of the competitive gain and that LT investment into the US would fall, especially as the rule of law in Trumpistan is falling apart. The discount that investors will need to buy dollar earning assets is way beyond the potential gain.

    So sooner or later the trickle out of USD becomes a flood and a major crisis. The bear is out there somewhere, and the forest is growing nervous.
    I think that's a bit too simple.
    There is a huge amount of resilience in an economy the size of the US.

    It's perfectly conceivable that Trump does a huge amount of damage to it, and that it still outperforms Europe, which has its own set of structural problems.
    Also quite possible that you turn out to be correct.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,129
    edited August 14
    eek said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    I'll believe it when I see it delivered.
    If I live that long.

    Labour to revive Northern Powerhouse Rail project
    Exclusive: Starmer and Reeves expected to announce move before Labour conference, with aim of boosting backbench morale
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/aug/13/labour-to-revive-northern-powerhouse-rail-project-trains

    "With the aim of boosting backbench morale..." doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

    I thought they had already re-re-re-anounced it?
    They announced it without any money being attached - this time there appears to be some money attached...

    Now they just need to work out how to sort out a train network because if you are building 1 tunnel you may as well keep them around and build another couple of tunnels at the same time for local trains.
    If you finish a tunnel project one week the next tunnel project should be ready to go the following week. Look at how it was done in Norway and the Faroes.

    Instead we dither for a couple of years until the contractors get bored and wander off, then wonder why everything now costs 3x as much.
    Also look at Copenhagen where a lot of metro has been built over the past 10 years..
    That's not really the status imo.

    Very little has been built here because we have had 10-15 years of short-termist slash and burn Government, and if funding is not for example finalised until have way through the spending period - then of course it is chaos, chaos imposed from the centre.

    Exceptions are where we have longer term political structures with real funding over a period, or Govt involvement. We had that from under Thatcher, Major, Blair, in measure.

    And we have a whole series of metro and tram systems in major cities, and London. Just not in the South. Where's the Portsmouth or Southampton Metro, for example? They could have done that whilst Nottingham, Sheffield and Manchester were building their light. Why did they not?

    But if local and regional government is slashed by a third or so across the board, wtf do you expect to happen?

    That's why imo the current version of the Conservative Party needs to die, or to recreate itself as something that's fit to be in our society.

    The planning system is not working? Well for years the rhetoric was that such is bad, and it was left to wither on the vine, so of course it is broken. No shit, Sherlock. And they have just had another 15 years and wrecked it all. Is there a single area of national life that was not flat on it's back in July 2024?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,353
    edited August 14

    Taz said:

    The job market is truly dire for graduates and people at the moment.

    I’m sure the young will come to loathe HR professionals and recruiters as much as I do, from my time contracting.

    https://x.com/mcrj1996/status/1955673544807022888?s=61

    Most HR professionals and recruiters are both dense and lazy. They don't understand a candidates potential fit unless it precisely matches the JD, and even then they expect you to do all the qualification and work for the role, before taking their 10-20% commission if successful.

    I've got all my good jobs through personal references in my network.
    Family member in HR said their job was to weed out the thieves, drunks, druggies, sex-fiends and the incompetent. They couldn't really do anything about the 'networked' as the director / department head had a veto on their opinion. She did get *her* jobs through networking though.

    Does Parliament have a HR department?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,346
    Nigelb said:

    I'll believe it when I see it delivered.
    If I live that long.

    Labour to revive Northern Powerhouse Rail project
    Exclusive: Starmer and Reeves expected to announce move before Labour conference, with aim of boosting backbench morale
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/aug/13/labour-to-revive-northern-powerhouse-rail-project-trains

    "With the aim of boosting backbench morale..." doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

    How’s about actually doing it to stimulate business and trade in Northern England, rather than just announcing it to “boost backbench morale” ahead of conference season?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,346

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    I'll believe it when I see it delivered.
    If I live that long.

    Labour to revive Northern Powerhouse Rail project
    Exclusive: Starmer and Reeves expected to announce move before Labour conference, with aim of boosting backbench morale
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/aug/13/labour-to-revive-northern-powerhouse-rail-project-trains

    "With the aim of boosting backbench morale..." doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

    I thought they had already re-re-re-anounced it?
    They announced it without any money being attached - this time there appears to be some money attached...

    Now they just need to work out how to sort out a train network because if you are building 1 tunnel you may as well keep them around and build another couple of tunnels at the same time for local trains.
    If you finish a tunnel project one week the next tunnel project should be ready to go the following week. Look at how it was done in Norway and the Faroes.

    Instead we dither for a couple of years until the contractors get bored and wander off, then wonder why everything now costs 3x as much.
    The continuity is really, really important.

    HS2 had to buy all the TBMs from scratch, and set up a huge training centre, because none of the capital equipment and human skills existed.

    Inertia likely means that the next project ends up having to do the same, the HS2 tunnelling team should be in Manchester a couple of weeks after they finish in London.

    It’s a little like military contractors who are kept busy in times of peace, so that the capability is there when needed in times of war.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,691
    Nigelb said:

    Cicero said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Fritschner

    The guy Trump nominated to lead the Bureau of Labor Statistics at January 6, amazing scoop by Ryan Reilly

    https://x.com/Fritschner/status/1955788956643233841

    Of more concern should be whoever replaces JPow as fed chair.

    Bessent is already saying interest rates are 1.5 - 1.75% too high so big pressure on whoever comes in to make a substantial cut. Even if they go 0.5% in September.

    Bessent is even talking about issuing US debt in Stablecoins !
    When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. Trump wants to see a big fall in the Buck. He doesn't understand that inflation will cancel most of the competitive gain and that LT investment into the US would fall, especially as the rule of law in Trumpistan is falling apart. The discount that investors will need to buy dollar earning assets is way beyond the potential gain.

    So sooner or later the trickle out of USD becomes a flood and a major crisis. The bear is out there somewhere, and the forest is growing nervous.
    I think that's a bit too simple.
    There is a huge amount of resilience in an economy the size of the US.

    It's perfectly conceivable that Trump does a huge amount of damage to it, and that it still outperforms Europe, which has its own set of structural problems.
    Also quite possible that you turn out to be correct.
    Agreed, there is an awful lot of ruin in a nation, and the US can still outperform its competitors. The damage is not so much the short term stupidity,it is that -increasingly- the US is ceasing to be a clean, predictable and fair jurisdiction: if that is something that gets priced in, then it would force a serious discount for US assets.
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