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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,168
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    To cross the Atlantic for a moment... it's notable in that graphic that the level of the stock market isn't considered an important indicator, which goes back to the discussion between @Casino_Royale and myself yesterday about whether Trump is delivering a strong economy. On those metrics, Trump is failing badly, which is why I expect the 2026 midterms to be very bad for the Republicans (if democracy isn't eroded by various dirty tricks).

    I am getting more despondent about the chances of the midterms being a fair vote.
    Irrespective of any gerrymandering.

    I think it's possible they could be stolen outright.
    How? Congressional elections are administered by state election officials, not the Federal government.

    Not even the most red of states would have all state election officials willing to falsify an election either
    A few more "emergencies" like the one in DC, and anything is possible.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123
    Leon said:

    On the upside I have found a use for my pair of exquisite lengths of Bhutanese silk which I bought in Bhutan from the Queen of Bhutan’s official silkweaver in her atelier in the Himalayas

    I couldn’t find anywhere to “show them” so they have become the world’s most extravagant drawer liners in an old Italian chest

    And during my renovations I found a massive bag of raw frankincense tears that I bought in a village in Oman direct from the Empty Quarter

    So I have put some raw frankincense (enlivened by drops of eucalyptus oil) in small cast iron Japanese pots and put a pot in each now-silk-lined drawer. So when I open the drawer I get this intense aroma and it’s like opening the drawer of a quietly but massively gay cardinal in Rome who likes Yemeni boys and is weirdly obsessed with cheaper Chinese AirPods


    Well-used knife, but not a Great Dane disemboweller !
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123
    edited August 11
    Leon said:

    Speaking of inflation, and for those interested on the prior thread

    So far I've spent about £3000 on repainting the bedroom, hall, kitchen, including quite expensive paint. Also about £2k on furniture upgrades, new curtains, new appliances, new ART PHOTOS etc. Still got the living room and bathroom to go, maybe another £4k including new furniture, bespoke blinds, cushions, etc

    So that's £9k for a total revamp of my small but desirable flat, turning it into a kind of weird personal shrine?

    I don't believe that is insane for a complete transformation, especially as it is will be THE TEMPLE OF LEON by the end

    It depends on "small" and "complete transformation". Is this "Changing Room" in Camden - "make quarters for the master of the seraglio"?

    The only serious refurb I looked at in London was a 1 bed 400sqft flat in EC2, that I was being offered for 70k + lease extension to get a mortgage back around 2000.

    I was being quoted 20k for a fullish but not complete refurb including rewire, kitchen, bathroom etc. I did not have the £100k to hand, unfortunately. They are now about £450k.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,168
    Vance: ‘We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business’
    https://thehill.com/homenews/5445500-vance-done-funding-ukraine-war-business/
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,507
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Don't be fooled. This guy is REALLY sharp...

    @KevinASchofield

    Trump gets the venue for his talks with Putin wrong for a second time in the same press conference.

    "We're going to Russia - it's going to be a good deal."

    It's in Alaska.

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1954934566503805230

    Maybe he hired Starmer to set it up for him. After which it might well be back to being Russia.
    And $350bn if it's a Starmer negotiation.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,825
    Nigelb said:

    This is the fantasist deciding the fate of Europe, if we don't stop him.

    "...I was a little bothered by the fact that Zelenskyy was saying I have to get constitutional approval. He has approval to go to war and kill everybody but he needs approval to do a land swap because there will be some land swapping going on. I know that through Russia.
    I get along with Zelenskyy but, you know, I disagree with what he has done. Very, very severely disagree. This is a war that shouldn’t have happened."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/aug/11/donald-trump-washington-crime-homelessness-redistricting-tariffs-us-politics-news-live-updates

    Zelenskyy was so very much at fault for having his country invaded by Putin.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,539
    edited August 11
    Nigelb said:

    Vance: ‘We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business’
    https://thehill.com/homenews/5445500-vance-done-funding-ukraine-war-business/

    Not really news and he did say "...But if the Europeans want to step up and actually buy the weapons from American producers, we’re OK with that, but we’re not going to fund it ourselves anymore"
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,561

    Leon said:

    Speaking of inflation, and for those interested on the prior thread

    So far I've spent about £3000 on repainting the bedroom, hall, kitchen, including quite expensive paint. Also about £2k on furniture upgrades, new curtains, new appliances, new ART PHOTOS etc. Still got the living room and bathroom to go, maybe another £4k including new furniture, bespoke blinds, cushions, etc

    So that's £9k for a total revamp of my small but desirable flat, turning it into a kind of weird personal shrine?

    I don't believe that is insane for a complete transformation, especially as it is will be THE TEMPLE OF LEON by the end

    It’s also about 1/4 of the median pre-tax salary. Now you could argue that an interior refurbishment has a 7 year life span so you are not spending much on housing… but most people won’t see it like that.
    I suspect that a 7 year lifespan for interior refurbishment is optimistic. Or pessimistic, if you are thinking how far to spread out the cost.

    (In terms of public realm, it implies 2 cycles since 2010, to pick a not-at-all random date.)
    Most leasehold contracts work on 7 years interior and 10 years exterior.

    (I’m currently at 9 years interior and it’s getting a bit shabby).
    7 years!!! I'm 12 years into our interior decoration and I don't wanna think about a redo for at least another five!!!!
    I’m thinking a lick of paint… kitchens and bathrooms about once every generation…
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522
    Nigelb said:

    Vance: ‘We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business’
    https://thehill.com/homenews/5445500-vance-done-funding-ukraine-war-business/

    "What's on your mind, hillbilly?"
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,561
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of inflation, and for those interested on the prior thread

    So far I've spent about £3000 on repainting the bedroom, hall, kitchen, including quite expensive paint. Also about £2k on furniture upgrades, new curtains, new appliances, new ART PHOTOS etc. Still got the living room and bathroom to go, maybe another £4k including new furniture, bespoke blinds, cushions, etc

    So that's £9k for a total revamp of my small but desirable flat, turning it into a kind of weird personal shrine?

    I don't believe that is insane for a complete transformation, especially as it is will be THE TEMPLE OF LEON by the end

    It’s also about 1/4 of the median pre-tax salary. Now you could argue that an interior refurbishment has a 7 year life span so you are not spending much on housing… but most people won’t see it like that.
    But as you say, this revamp will last me easily 5 years, probably 7

    So it's just over a grand a year to live in a flat I find much more pleasing. Or I do it cheaply and get depressed at the paint scheme

    Also, the IKEA really HAD to go
    Sure. It makes sense and you can afford it. But it’s not a small amount for most people
    That's the problem with the upper classes. Don't know how the other half lives.
    I always find “class” a fairly arbitrary definition. I’d rather focus on the individual and whether they are people I want to hang out with.

    That’s the classy way to do things…
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,561

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of inflation, and for those interested on the prior thread

    So far I've spent about £3000 on repainting the bedroom, hall, kitchen, including quite expensive paint. Also about £2k on furniture upgrades, new curtains, new appliances, new ART PHOTOS etc. Still got the living room and bathroom to go, maybe another £4k including new furniture, bespoke blinds, cushions, etc

    So that's £9k for a total revamp of my small but desirable flat, turning it into a kind of weird personal shrine?

    I don't believe that is insane for a complete transformation, especially as it is will be THE TEMPLE OF LEON by the end

    There's a thing called Checkatrade to help older people from getting tucked up by dodgy tradesmen.
    I accept that this a very dull topic - but then it is also ON topic - cost of living

    Do you honestly think I'm being ripped off? Under £10k to entirely transform a flat? Including much furniture and bespoke blinds, curtains, etc?

    I don't believe it is. But if it is I am intrigued how the rest of you habitate. Do you simply slap more daub on the wattle?
    The mantra in our house was "never pay a tradesman". My father who for a maths teacher was quite an accomplished cabinet maker taught me everything from fixing a tap washer and wiring an electric plug to changing a clutch and servicing an Austin 1300. Painting a wall falls into the wiring a plug scale of DIY tasks. Mind you I f*****' hate DIY.
    To quote a great unsung (ahem) comedy group:

    T'was on the Monday morning, the gas man came to call,
    The gas tap wouldn't turn, I wasn't getting gas at all;
    He tore out all the skirting boards to try and find the main,
    And I had to call a carpenter to put them back again!
    Or Bellloc:

    Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
    Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
    It is the business of the wealthy man
    To give employment to the artisan.
    That’s the one I was actually thinking of, but couldn’t be bothered to try and find it…
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,561

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of inflation, and for those interested on the prior thread

    So far I've spent about £3000 on repainting the bedroom, hall, kitchen, including quite expensive paint. Also about £2k on furniture upgrades, new curtains, new appliances, new ART PHOTOS etc. Still got the living room and bathroom to go, maybe another £4k including new furniture, bespoke blinds, cushions, etc

    So that's £9k for a total revamp of my small but desirable flat, turning it into a kind of weird personal shrine?

    I don't believe that is insane for a complete transformation, especially as it is will be THE TEMPLE OF LEON by the end

    It’s also about 1/4 of the median pre-tax salary. Now you could argue that an interior refurbishment has a 7 year life span so you are not spending much on housing… but most people won’t see it like that.
    But as you say, this revamp will last me easily 5 years, probably 7

    So it's just over a grand a year to live in a flat I find much more pleasing. Or I do it cheaply and get depressed at the paint scheme

    Also, the IKEA really HAD to go
    Sure. It makes sense and you can afford it. But it’s not a small amount for most people
    Nine million people across the UK have no savings and another five million have less than £100, according to new research from the Money and Pensions Service (MaPS). Overall, a quarter of UK adults have less than £100 put away.
    I wonder how much people owe Buy Now Pay Later like Klarna?
    Easy access to capital is a bad thing
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,286
    AnneJGP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Don't be fooled. This guy is REALLY sharp...

    @KevinASchofield

    Trump gets the venue for his talks with Putin wrong for a second time in the same press conference.

    "We're going to Russia - it's going to be a good deal."

    It's in Alaska.

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1954934566503805230

    Isn't it the master plan - Putin takes Alaska and Trump takes Canada? All nice & cosy together.
    After Trump has taken over Canada, let’s see how he handles Putin invading British Columbia.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,561
    Scott_xP said:

    Don't be fooled. This guy is REALLY sharp...

    @KevinASchofield

    Trump gets the venue for his talks with Putin wrong for a second time in the same press conference.

    "We're going to Russia - it's going to be a good deal."

    It's in Alaska.

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1954934566503805230

    Selling Alaska back to Russia would be a bridge too far even for the most MAGA obsessed… I think…
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,561
    Leon said:

    Talking of decor - and money saving - by sheer coincidence my extravagantly beautiful and very expensive bespoke velvet bedroom curtains have this minute arrived from John Lewis

    Only “problem” - they’ve made me two sets of beautiful velvet curtains not one. I’ve got a free set of curtains. Worth hundreds. What do I do with it? Keep it spare?

    Maybe keep it spare for when one gets dry cleaned

    I promise to return to non decor related discussions before the end of the summer

    Do you have the space to store a spare set of curtains?

    Suggest you have them made up into matching cushions / bed spread / dancing cape / whatever
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592
    Nigelb said:

    Vance: ‘We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business’
    https://thehill.com/homenews/5445500-vance-done-funding-ukraine-war-business/

    Extraordinary how the police behaved during his visit to the Cotswolds:

    Buried in The Observer yesterday was this: UK police knocking on doors demanding details of social media accounts of people, to pass to a foreign government, simply because they happen to live near where a US politician wanted to have a holiday https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/first-it-was-clarkson-now-its-vance-spare-a-thought-for-the-beleaguered-cotswolds

    https://bsky.app/profile/norock.bsky.social/post/3lw47wabkek2m
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,081
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    On the upside I have found a use for my pair of exquisite lengths of Bhutanese silk which I bought in Bhutan from the Queen of Bhutan’s official silkweaver in her atelier in the Himalayas

    I couldn’t find anywhere to “show them” so they have become the world’s most extravagant drawer liners in an old Italian chest

    And during my renovations I found a massive bag of raw frankincense tears that I bought in a village in Oman direct from the Empty Quarter

    So I have put some raw frankincense (enlivened by drops of eucalyptus oil) in small cast iron Japanese pots and put a pot in each now-silk-lined drawer. So when I open the drawer I get this intense aroma and it’s like opening the drawer of a quietly but massively gay cardinal in Rome who likes Yemeni boys and is weirdly obsessed with cheaper Chinese AirPods


    Well-used knife, but not a Great Dane disemboweller !
    That’s a Fallkniven Jigged Stagbone Tre Kronor folding hand knife!

    Can’t get em anymore in that super robust style
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,164

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of inflation, and for those interested on the prior thread

    So far I've spent about £3000 on repainting the bedroom, hall, kitchen, including quite expensive paint. Also about £2k on furniture upgrades, new curtains, new appliances, new ART PHOTOS etc. Still got the living room and bathroom to go, maybe another £4k including new furniture, bespoke blinds, cushions, etc

    So that's £9k for a total revamp of my small but desirable flat, turning it into a kind of weird personal shrine?

    I don't believe that is insane for a complete transformation, especially as it is will be THE TEMPLE OF LEON by the end

    It’s also about 1/4 of the median pre-tax salary. Now you could argue that an interior refurbishment has a 7 year life span so you are not spending much on housing… but most people won’t see it like that.
    But as you say, this revamp will last me easily 5 years, probably 7

    So it's just over a grand a year to live in a flat I find much more pleasing. Or I do it cheaply and get depressed at the paint scheme

    Also, the IKEA really HAD to go
    Sure. It makes sense and you can afford it. But it’s not a small amount for most people
    Nine million people across the UK have no savings and another five million have less than £100, according to new research from the Money and Pensions Service (MaPS). Overall, a quarter of UK adults have less than £100 put away.
    I wonder how much people owe Buy Now Pay Later like Klarna?
    Buy Now Pay Later, isn't that just a catalogue, like my mum had in the 1970s?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,539

    AnneJGP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Don't be fooled. This guy is REALLY sharp...

    @KevinASchofield

    Trump gets the venue for his talks with Putin wrong for a second time in the same press conference.

    "We're going to Russia - it's going to be a good deal."

    It's in Alaska.

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1954934566503805230

    Isn't it the master plan - Putin takes Alaska and Trump takes Canada? All nice & cosy together.
    After Trump has taken over Canada, let’s see how he handles Putin invading British Columbia.
    Even most Republicans don't want to take over Canada and nor is Putin that interested in Alaska, more the greater Russia of the early 20th century and USSR
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,291

    A man has died after he was restrained by a vigilante Co-op customer.

    The man, 52, was reported to police after staff at the Co-op store in Fore Street, Torpoint, Cornwall, were attacked at 4.45pm on Wednesday Aug 6.

    He was restrained by a male customer but became unresponsive a short while later.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/11/torpoint-coop-man-dies-after-restrained-customer/

    I am getting annoyed about clicking links to the telegraph and finding it is behind the paywall. It's bad enough buying copies of the mail for my wife without having to pay for right wing propaganda of the Telegraph as well.
    I could gift you the story but it is all over the other news sites too.

    Man, 52, dies after restraining incident at shop
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czr660650myo

    MattW should do a header on unfeasibly narrow pavements!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,801
    edited August 11

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of inflation, and for those interested on the prior thread

    So far I've spent about £3000 on repainting the bedroom, hall, kitchen, including quite expensive paint. Also about £2k on furniture upgrades, new curtains, new appliances, new ART PHOTOS etc. Still got the living room and bathroom to go, maybe another £4k including new furniture, bespoke blinds, cushions, etc

    So that's £9k for a total revamp of my small but desirable flat, turning it into a kind of weird personal shrine?

    I don't believe that is insane for a complete transformation, especially as it is will be THE TEMPLE OF LEON by the end

    It’s also about 1/4 of the median pre-tax salary. Now you could argue that an interior refurbishment has a 7 year life span so you are not spending much on housing… but most people won’t see it like that.
    But as you say, this revamp will last me easily 5 years, probably 7

    So it's just over a grand a year to live in a flat I find much more pleasing. Or I do it cheaply and get depressed at the paint scheme

    Also, the IKEA really HAD to go
    Sure. It makes sense and you can afford it. But it’s not a small amount for most people
    Nine million people across the UK have no savings and another five million have less than £100, according to new research from the Money and Pensions Service (MaPS). Overall, a quarter of UK adults have less than £100 put away.
    I wonder how much people owe Buy Now Pay Later like Klarna?
    Buy Now Pay Later, isn't that just a catalogue, like my mum had in the 1970s?
    Yes and no. You couldn't do that on literally everything you buy from Deliveroos to Dishwashers and the credit checks are very relaxed and once you have done your wod on Klarna there are a load of others you can use. Klarna are so widespread you could live your whole life buying everything tapping on your phone and selecting Buy in 3/4 easy payments.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522
    edited August 11

    AnneJGP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Don't be fooled. This guy is REALLY sharp...

    @KevinASchofield

    Trump gets the venue for his talks with Putin wrong for a second time in the same press conference.

    "We're going to Russia - it's going to be a good deal."

    It's in Alaska.

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1954934566503805230

    Isn't it the master plan - Putin takes Alaska and Trump takes Canada? All nice & cosy together.
    After Trump has taken over Canada, let’s see how he handles Putin invading British Columbia.
    Fort Ross, California :lol:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Ross,_California
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123
    edited August 11
    sarissa said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of inflation, and for those interested on the prior thread

    So far I've spent about £3000 on repainting the bedroom, hall, kitchen, including quite expensive paint. Also about £2k on furniture upgrades, new curtains, new appliances, new ART PHOTOS etc. Still got the living room and bathroom to go, maybe another £4k including new furniture, bespoke blinds, cushions, etc

    So that's £9k for a total revamp of my small but desirable flat, turning it into a kind of weird personal shrine?

    I don't believe that is insane for a complete transformation, especially as it is will be THE TEMPLE OF LEON by the end

    There's a thing called Checkatrade to help older people from getting tucked up by dodgy tradesmen.
    I accept that this is a very dull topic - but then it is also ON topic - cost of living

    Do you honestly think I'm being ripped off? Under £10k to entirely transform a flat? Including much furniture and bespoke blinds, curtains, etc?

    I don't believe it is. But if it is I am intrigued how the rest of you habitate. Do you simply slap more daub on the wattle?
    I am planning a 'back to bare walls and begin again' refurb on a small one bed Edinburgh flat. New plumbing, electrics, modest kitchen and soft furnishings . As I'm planning on having some professional help in the design, my budget is £30-40,000. Plus two or three months in a short term let, which could be the difficult part.
    Not commenting on the particular cost (Edinburgh is Edinburgh and I don't even know the area), or what a "full refurb means" For me it would be new windows / doors, floor up, insulate and replace, possibly plaster skim, insulate walls, new bathroom / kitchen, new heating, water, electric systems including fuse box, then carpets and redecorate - but normally that would have had nothing done for 30 years, and I would want it to last 20-30 years without more than a small further refurb. The last also need half of a new roof, which I had not expected For that I would probably be on £650-750 per sqm of floor area in 2025.

    BUT, I will note:

    1 - Find out what you need to get to a EPC of about 73-74, that is mid-C. That is what you will need if it is ever to be rented out (or it soon will be in England). You need mid-C because the algorithm changes every few years. One tip is that at present shower heat-recovery devices get you a couple of cheap extra points if you are nearly there.

    2 - Lots of sockets, enough so no one ever needs an extension lead or multiplug extension. Normally a double can become 2 doubles. Make one or two per room a "USB included" charging double. 8-10 doubles in a small kitchen, plus all your appliance ones below worktop level.

    3 - If you are going back to plaster look at insulating walls to save bills. For me this normally means 75mm of celotex on external walls, and under floors if possible.

    4 - Sound insulation?

    5 - IME the places where extra space is really noticed in a small place, and make it feel more luxurious are

    a - Walk in shower with a screen not a door, and not a cubicle. It needs to be big enough for two comfortably. Put a garden chair in it. I normally work with a bath footprint. Do the grab rails and things now properly.
    b - A large cooker hob - 5 burner.

    I'll shut up now, unless these are useful enough for you want a couple more.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,291
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    To cross the Atlantic for a moment... it's notable in that graphic that the level of the stock market isn't considered an important indicator, which goes back to the discussion between @Casino_Royale and myself yesterday about whether Trump is delivering a strong economy. On those metrics, Trump is failing badly, which is why I expect the 2026 midterms to be very bad for the Republicans (if democracy isn't eroded by various dirty tricks).

    I am getting more despondent about the chances of the midterms being a fair vote.
    Irrespective of any gerrymandering.

    I think it's possible they could be stolen outright.
    How? Congressional elections are administered by state election officials, not the Federal government.

    Not even the most red of states would have all state election officials willing to falsify an election either
    The Presidential elections are also administered by State election officials, and we saw what happened in 2020
    Biden was elected once the votes were counted.

    Does Trump even care about midterms anyway? He didn't in 2018, unless he or a member of his family is on the ballot I don't think he is really that bothered. Hence why he roused his supporters in 2020 in DC but not 2018.

    If a whole load of GOP Representatives and Senators lose their seats next year I doubt Trump will care, he will blame them for being insufficiently MAGA. Remember the GOP was always just a vehicle for Trump for his presidential ambitions, he was a registered Democrat until 2009 although he had backed Reagan in the 1980s but not massively so
    I imagine Trump was a New York Democrat for the same reason he was a mate of Epstein – because it granted access to the great and good, the movers and shakers, providers of finance and planning permission.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,687
    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Don't be fooled. This guy is REALLY sharp...

    @KevinASchofield

    Trump gets the venue for his talks with Putin wrong for a second time in the same press conference.

    "We're going to Russia - it's going to be a good deal."

    It's in Alaska.

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1954934566503805230

    Isn't it the master plan - Putin takes Alaska and Trump takes Canada? All nice & cosy together.
    After Trump has taken over Canada, let’s see how he handles Putin invading British Columbia.
    Even most Republicans don't want to take over Canada and nor is Putin that interested in Alaska, more the greater Russia of the early 20th century and USSR
    If I remember correctly (it's been 50 years or more) Nabokov's Ada was set in a fantasy north America that had been conquered from the west by Russians and from the east by Irish, meeting fruitfully at Old Man River.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,547

    Eabhal said:

    A man has died after he was restrained by a vigilante Co-op customer.

    The man, 52, was reported to police after staff at the Co-op store in Fore Street, Torpoint, Cornwall, were attacked at 4.45pm on Wednesday Aug 6.

    He was restrained by a male customer but became unresponsive a short while later.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/11/torpoint-coop-man-dies-after-restrained-customer/

    Misuse of "vigilante" is a bit risky by the Telegraph there, particularly if charges are brought.
    A-5.
    .
    a-5 vigilante
    .
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,291
    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Don't be fooled. This guy is REALLY sharp...

    @KevinASchofield

    Trump gets the venue for his talks with Putin wrong for a second time in the same press conference.

    "We're going to Russia - it's going to be a good deal."

    It's in Alaska.

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1954934566503805230

    Isn't it the master plan - Putin takes Alaska and Trump takes Canada? All nice & cosy together.
    After Trump has taken over Canada, let’s see how he handles Putin invading British Columbia.
    Even most Republicans don't want to take over Canada and nor is Putin that interested in Alaska, more the greater Russia of the early 20th century and USSR
    Today's Russian press is full of reminders that Alaska used to be Russian, as posted on the last thread.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,291
    viewcode said:

    Eabhal said:

    A man has died after he was restrained by a vigilante Co-op customer.

    The man, 52, was reported to police after staff at the Co-op store in Fore Street, Torpoint, Cornwall, were attacked at 4.45pm on Wednesday Aug 6.

    He was restrained by a male customer but became unresponsive a short while later.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/11/torpoint-coop-man-dies-after-restrained-customer/

    Misuse of "vigilante" is a bit risky by the Telegraph there, particularly if charges are brought.
    A-5.
    .
    a-5 vigilante
    .
    Fry & Laurie and Airfix models (and cold war sleepers):-

    Mr Dalliard! We've been Activated! | A Bit of Fry And Laurie | BBC Comedy Greats
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBURlcNpfoo
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,367
    viewcode said:

    Eabhal said:

    A man has died after he was restrained by a vigilante Co-op customer.

    The man, 52, was reported to police after staff at the Co-op store in Fore Street, Torpoint, Cornwall, were attacked at 4.45pm on Wednesday Aug 6.

    He was restrained by a male customer but became unresponsive a short while later.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/11/torpoint-coop-man-dies-after-restrained-customer/

    Misuse of "vigilante" is a bit risky by the Telegraph there, particularly if charges are brought.
    A-5.
    .
    a-5 vigilante
    .
    I see your Vigilante and raise. NR-349 - the proposed three engined version. Because, why not?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,801
    edited August 11
    This lad McKinney looks a bit handy in the Hundred... don't look like they have managed to sell give away many tickets for it though.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,168
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vance: ‘We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business’
    https://thehill.com/homenews/5445500-vance-done-funding-ukraine-war-business/

    Not really news and he did say "...But if the Europeans want to step up and actually buy the weapons from American producers, we’re OK with that, but we’re not going to fund it ourselves anymore"
    This is from the administration trying to decide the future of Ukraine. Europe needs to step up and tell them, politely or otherwise, where to go.

    The reality is that the US already has pretty well stopped funding Ukraine.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,539
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vance: ‘We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business’
    https://thehill.com/homenews/5445500-vance-done-funding-ukraine-war-business/

    Not really news and he did say "...But if the Europeans want to step up and actually buy the weapons from American producers, we’re OK with that, but we’re not going to fund it ourselves anymore"
    This is from the administration trying to decide the future of Ukraine. Europe needs to step up and tell them, politely or otherwise, where to go.

    The reality is that the US already has pretty well stopped funding Ukraine.
    Europe is still buying US weaponry as Zelensky needs it
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vance: ‘We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business’
    https://thehill.com/homenews/5445500-vance-done-funding-ukraine-war-business/

    Extraordinary how the police behaved during his visit to the Cotswolds:

    Buried in The Observer yesterday was this: UK police knocking on doors demanding details of social media accounts of people, to pass to a foreign government, simply because they happen to live near where a US politician wanted to have a holiday https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/first-it-was-clarkson-now-its-vance-spare-a-thought-for-the-beleaguered-cotswolds

    https://bsky.app/profile/norock.bsky.social/post/3lw47wabkek2m
    It sounds like a place we should build a high wall around and just lock them all in, for the benefit of the country. If we have Vance, either lock the cynical lying bugger in or send him back to his home up Trump's anus.

    It's a good job I'm not living there, and the police asked me :smile: . The last time I had one of those was being searched in 2007 at St Pancras Station under Blair's terrorist powers, where a WPC looked me and the girlfriend in the eye and said "yes, I believe you could be terrorists." We had loitered with intent for 30 seconds looking at the local map on the wall.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,847
    Nigelb said:

    This is the fantasist deciding the fate of Europe, if we don't stop him.

    "...I was a little bothered by the fact that Zelenskyy was saying I have to get constitutional approval. He has approval to go to war and kill everybody but he needs approval to do a land swap because there will be some land swapping going on. I know that through Russia.
    I get along with Zelenskyy but, you know, I disagree with what he has done. Very, very severely disagree. This is a war that shouldn’t have happened."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/aug/11/donald-trump-washington-crime-homelessness-redistricting-tariffs-us-politics-news-live-updates

    Time for the UK to rejoin the EU and kick the US into touch. Inasmuch as we need a powerful new nuclear ally China would seem to fit the bill. Sort out Ukraine by agreeing to them joining the EU but not joining NATO which in any event would be disbanded. The US are an unreliable partner
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,275
    Sarah Longwell
    @SarahLongwell25

    Since there are so many reporters in the briefing room listening to Trump ramble and rant and gaffe and dissemble, I assume there are going to be tons of stories about how mentally compromised the United States President is.

    https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/1954931271131664535
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 214
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vance: ‘We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business’
    https://thehill.com/homenews/5445500-vance-done-funding-ukraine-war-business/

    Not really news and he did say "...But if the Europeans want to step up and actually buy the weapons from American producers, we’re OK with that, but we’re not going to fund it ourselves anymore"
    This is from the administration trying to decide the future of Ukraine. Europe needs to step up and tell them, politely or otherwise, where to go.

    The reality is that the US already has pretty well stopped funding Ukraine.
    I don't understand how that works. How do you make Europe pay for the defence of Ukraine.? So easy to say but we all know it ain't gonna happen anytime soon.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,275

    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol

    As L.A. was a couple of months ago, D.C. is an excuse for Trump to continue normalizing the use of federal law enforcement and the U.S. military to police Democratic cities. The implications for local self-government, civil liberties, and the 2026 and 2028 elections are obvious.

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1954913337340514571
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123
    edited August 11
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    On the upside I have found a use for my pair of exquisite lengths of Bhutanese silk which I bought in Bhutan from the Queen of Bhutan’s official silkweaver in her atelier in the Himalayas

    I couldn’t find anywhere to “show them” so they have become the world’s most extravagant drawer liners in an old Italian chest

    And during my renovations I found a massive bag of raw frankincense tears that I bought in a village in Oman direct from the Empty Quarter

    So I have put some raw frankincense (enlivened by drops of eucalyptus oil) in small cast iron Japanese pots and put a pot in each now-silk-lined drawer. So when I open the drawer I get this intense aroma and it’s like opening the drawer of a quietly but massively gay cardinal in Rome who likes Yemeni boys and is weirdly obsessed with cheaper Chinese AirPods


    Well-used knife, but not a Great Dane disemboweller !
    That’s a Fallkniven Jigged Stagbone Tre Kronor folding hand knife!

    Can’t get em anymore in that super robust style
    Look nice for outdoor eating, if sharpened well.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Talking of decor - and money saving - by sheer coincidence my extravagantly beautiful and very expensive bespoke velvet bedroom curtains have this minute arrived from John Lewis

    Only “problem” - they’ve made me two sets of beautiful velvet curtains not one. I’ve got a free set of curtains. Worth hundreds. What do I do with it? Keep it spare?

    Maybe keep it spare for when one gets dry cleaned

    I promise to return to non decor related discussions before the end of the summer

    Bin them. No use to anyone apart from you and you already have a set.

    You can't sell them because they won't fit anywhere else.

    When I sold a flat some time ago I'd had some lovely silk blinds made for the windows which cost a fortune and when it came to selling the flat I offered to sell the blinds for £100. They offered £50 and I was so outraged I refused and the blinds spent the following 10 years in the attic of my new place before I finally threw them away. Lovely, they were and it's a tragedy.

    So bin them now and save the palaver.
    They are honestly too gorgeous to bin. Bespoke crushed velvet in this kind of rusty orange

    Oooooh

    I just can’t chuck em, psychologically

    I shall keep a set spare for emergencies and cleaning or maybe just rolling around in naked
    Think big - have another window put in for the curtains.
    Rusty orange is a 1970s colour !

    Especially perhaps from Habitat.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,838
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vance: ‘We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business’
    https://thehill.com/homenews/5445500-vance-done-funding-ukraine-war-business/

    Extraordinary how the police behaved during his visit to the Cotswolds:

    Buried in The Observer yesterday was this: UK police knocking on doors demanding details of social media accounts of people, to pass to a foreign government, simply because they happen to live near where a US politician wanted to have a holiday https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/first-it-was-clarkson-now-its-vance-spare-a-thought-for-the-beleaguered-cotswolds

    https://bsky.app/profile/norock.bsky.social/post/3lw47wabkek2m
    What happened if they said no?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592
    Great to see an interview with one of Britain's oldest soldiers, getting ready for the 80th anniversary of VJ day on Friday. He was a mule-wrangler with the "forgotten army" in Burma.

    Bradford veteran on WW2: 'The bombs fell all around, but I survived' - BBC News
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyv3m47yddo?app-referrer=deep-link

  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123
    Ashley Neal has an interesting new type of video - rapid reactions from him to dash cammers; it's an interesting things because is sane and comments on both sides.

    Potentially a way to talk about improving driving to a different audience.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNYXz5m41EE
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    On the upside I have found a use for my pair of exquisite lengths of Bhutanese silk which I bought in Bhutan from the Queen of Bhutan’s official silkweaver in her atelier in the Himalayas

    I couldn’t find anywhere to “show them” so they have become the world’s most extravagant drawer liners in an old Italian chest

    And during my renovations I found a massive bag of raw frankincense tears that I bought in a village in Oman direct from the Empty Quarter

    So I have put some raw frankincense (enlivened by drops of eucalyptus oil) in small cast iron Japanese pots and put a pot in each now-silk-lined drawer. So when I open the drawer I get this intense aroma and it’s like opening the drawer of a quietly but massively gay cardinal in Rome who likes Yemeni boys and is weirdly obsessed with cheaper Chinese AirPods


    Well-used knife, but not a Great Dane disemboweller !
    That’s a Fallkniven Jigged Stagbone Tre Kronor folding hand knife!

    Can’t get em anymore in that super robust style
    Look nice for outdoor eating, if sharpened well.
    Sorry - "looks nice".
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,838

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vance: ‘We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business’
    https://thehill.com/homenews/5445500-vance-done-funding-ukraine-war-business/

    Extraordinary how the police behaved during his visit to the Cotswolds:

    Buried in The Observer yesterday was this: UK police knocking on doors demanding details of social media accounts of people, to pass to a foreign government, simply because they happen to live near where a US politician wanted to have a holiday https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/first-it-was-clarkson-now-its-vance-spare-a-thought-for-the-beleaguered-cotswolds

    https://bsky.app/profile/norock.bsky.social/post/3lw47wabkek2m
    What happened if they said no?
    I’ll answer my own question - nothing.

    Nothing story, in fact.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,978
    scampi25 said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vance: ‘We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business’
    https://thehill.com/homenews/5445500-vance-done-funding-ukraine-war-business/

    Not really news and he did say "...But if the Europeans want to step up and actually buy the weapons from American producers, we’re OK with that, but we’re not going to fund it ourselves anymore"
    This is from the administration trying to decide the future of Ukraine. Europe needs to step up and tell them, politely or otherwise, where to go.

    The reality is that the US already has pretty well stopped funding Ukraine.
    I don't understand how that works. How do you make Europe pay for the defence of Ukraine.? So easy to say but we all know it ain't gonna happen anytime soon.
    Plenty of European countries are already doing it
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123
    scampi25 said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vance: ‘We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business’
    https://thehill.com/homenews/5445500-vance-done-funding-ukraine-war-business/

    Not really news and he did say "...But if the Europeans want to step up and actually buy the weapons from American producers, we’re OK with that, but we’re not going to fund it ourselves anymore"
    This is from the administration trying to decide the future of Ukraine. Europe needs to step up and tell them, politely or otherwise, where to go.

    The reality is that the US already has pretty well stopped funding Ukraine.
    I don't understand how that works. How do you make Europe pay for the defence of Ukraine.? So easy to say but we all know it ain't gonna happen anytime soon.
    That was part of the deal reached a few weeks ago - NATO countries paying for US arms, and the US agreeing to supply eg Patriot missiles.

    It has already started:
    https://www.politico.eu/article/netherlands-moves-first-with-e500m-pledge-to-fund-u-s-weapons-to-ukraine/

    One of the thoughts is that it is abotu managing Trump, and gives him a positive reason ("lots of business for the US") for engaging with supplies to Ukraine, and a downside if he pulls out.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    On the upside I have found a use for my pair of exquisite lengths of Bhutanese silk which I bought in Bhutan from the Queen of Bhutan’s official silkweaver in her atelier in the Himalayas

    I couldn’t find anywhere to “show them” so they have become the world’s most extravagant drawer liners in an old Italian chest

    And during my renovations I found a massive bag of raw frankincense tears that I bought in a village in Oman direct from the Empty Quarter

    So I have put some raw frankincense (enlivened by drops of eucalyptus oil) in small cast iron Japanese pots and put a pot in each now-silk-lined drawer. So when I open the drawer I get this intense aroma and it’s like opening the drawer of a quietly but massively gay cardinal in Rome who likes Yemeni boys and is weirdly obsessed with cheaper Chinese AirPods


    Well-used knife, but not a Great Dane disemboweller !
    That’s a Fallkniven Jigged Stagbone Tre Kronor folding hand knife!

    Can’t get em anymore in that super robust style
    Look nice for outdoor eating, if sharpened well.
    Sorry - "looks nice".
    "I forgive you. I only hope my neurologist feels the same."
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,847
    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,838
    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    Evil as they are they are still fighting terrorists who are holding hostages (if they are even still alive).
    What’s stopping Hamas from ending this?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vance: ‘We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business’
    https://thehill.com/homenews/5445500-vance-done-funding-ukraine-war-business/

    Extraordinary how the police behaved during his visit to the Cotswolds:

    Buried in The Observer yesterday was this: UK police knocking on doors demanding details of social media accounts of people, to pass to a foreign government, simply because they happen to live near where a US politician wanted to have a holiday https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/first-it-was-clarkson-now-its-vance-spare-a-thought-for-the-beleaguered-cotswolds

    https://bsky.app/profile/norock.bsky.social/post/3lw47wabkek2m
    What happened if they said no?
    Nothing. Several refused according to the article. They would have had a very fruity answer If I lived there!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123

    Leon said:

    Speaking of inflation, and for those interested on the prior thread

    So far I've spent about £3000 on repainting the bedroom, hall, kitchen, including quite expensive paint. Also about £2k on furniture upgrades, new curtains, new appliances, new ART PHOTOS etc. Still got the living room and bathroom to go, maybe another £4k including new furniture, bespoke blinds, cushions, etc

    So that's £9k for a total revamp of my small but desirable flat, turning it into a kind of weird personal shrine?

    I don't believe that is insane for a complete transformation, especially as it is will be THE TEMPLE OF LEON by the end

    There's a thing called Checkatrade to help older people from getting tucked up by dodgy tradesmen.
    Sites like Checkatrade have a reputation for deleting poor reviews. It costs the tradesman £40 to £140 per month for membership.

    I'd go with personal recommendations every time.
  • Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,098
    Evening all :)

    A propos very little, I was out and about on Saturday morning primarily to get the Racing Post (yes, I know I can read it online but I'm a bluff old traditionalist) and saw my local neighbourhood Police Officer with another officer taking a shoplifter into custody.

    While there are no doubt many who shoplift simply because they think they can get away with it, it's also clear a number of shoplifters have mental health and/or addiction issues.

    It's easy to tar all who transgress with the same brush and regrettably it seems attitudes to mental health problems and addictions have hardened in recent times.

    As a further aside, the closure and subsequent sale of East Ham Police Station by the London Mayor at the time, Boris Johnson, has been catastrophic for law enforcement in this part of London. From the other side of the capital, I read Wimbledon MP Paul Kohler is leading the fight to prevent the closure of Wimbledon Police Station.

    This act of blatant stupidity by the Met is for me unforgivable and indeed I'd support a London Mayoral candidate committed to restporing a Police presence in High Streets.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,541
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    On the upside I have found a use for my pair of exquisite lengths of Bhutanese silk which I bought in Bhutan from the Queen of Bhutan’s official silkweaver in her atelier in the Himalayas

    I couldn’t find anywhere to “show them” so they have become the world’s most extravagant drawer liners in an old Italian chest

    And during my renovations I found a massive bag of raw frankincense tears that I bought in a village in Oman direct from the Empty Quarter

    So I have put some raw frankincense (enlivened by drops of eucalyptus oil) in small cast iron Japanese pots and put a pot in each now-silk-lined drawer. So when I open the drawer I get this intense aroma and it’s like opening the drawer of a quietly but massively gay cardinal in Rome who likes Yemeni boys and is weirdly obsessed with cheaper Chinese AirPods


    Well-used knife, but not a Great Dane disemboweller !
    That’s a Fallkniven Jigged Stagbone Tre Kronor folding hand knife!

    Can’t get em anymore in that super robust style
    The jigged bone is discontinued but the TK3 is very much still available
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,506

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Hamas are a death cult. They are pure evil.

    Israel is, and should be measured by United Nations adjudicated metrics. Ben G'vir, Smotrich and Netanyahu are running Israel as a rogue state.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,489
    edited August 11

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    That's the trouble - we can't know for sure because the IDF keep killing journalists in Gaza. There's a reason we aren't getting nightly updates on the famine (or lack of one) from Clive Myrie on the ground.

    We have to rely on satellite imagery or journalists sneaking phones onto IDF surveillance flights.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,541
    TACO !

    @mmcassella

    The President has signed an executive order extending the U.S.-China tariff truce another 90 days, a White House official tells
    @EamonJavers
    .

    No word as to why this wasn't agreed in Stockholm, or in the two weeks since. Truce would now expire at 12:01 a.m. November 9.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    Evil as they are they are still fighting terrorists who are holding hostages (if they are even still alive).
    What’s stopping Hamas from ending this?
    Israel are holding 2 million people hostage.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    There's a lady on Mastermind right now: Hunger Games as specialist subject.
  • Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 214

    scampi25 said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vance: ‘We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business’
    https://thehill.com/homenews/5445500-vance-done-funding-ukraine-war-business/

    Not really news and he did say "...But if the Europeans want to step up and actually buy the weapons from American producers, we’re OK with that, but we’re not going to fund it ourselves anymore"
    This is from the administration trying to decide the future of Ukraine. Europe needs to step up and tell them, politely or otherwise, where to go.

    The reality is that the US already has pretty well stopped funding Ukraine.
    I don't understand how that works. How do you make Europe pay for the defence of Ukraine.? So easy to say but we all know it ain't gonna happen anytime soon.
    Plenty of European countries are already doing it
    So problem solved?? I wonder why Europe is still friends with Trump if we don't need him. The mystery deepens.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123
    Does Trump have the right to take over the police etc in Washington DC, or is this just another fabricated emergency?

    I have not dug into the difference the area DC status makes.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522
    edited August 11

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    They don't want the truth reported is the right answer.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522

    viewcode said:

    Eabhal said:

    A man has died after he was restrained by a vigilante Co-op customer.

    The man, 52, was reported to police after staff at the Co-op store in Fore Street, Torpoint, Cornwall, were attacked at 4.45pm on Wednesday Aug 6.

    He was restrained by a male customer but became unresponsive a short while later.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/11/torpoint-coop-man-dies-after-restrained-customer/

    Misuse of "vigilante" is a bit risky by the Telegraph there, particularly if charges are brought.
    A-5.
    .
    a-5 vigilante
    .
    I see your Vigilante and raise. NR-349 - the proposed three engined version. Because, why not?
    The cancelled XF-108 was the fighter version, supposed to escort the XB-70 supersonic bomber. A couple of XB-70s were built before the project was cancelled, leading to no XF-108s being built at all.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,541
    @ToluseO

    Washington D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser is set to have a press conference at 3pm today, after President Trump declared an emergency and said he would be federalizing the DC police.

    https://x.com/ToluseO/status/1954973668703945104
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,847
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Yvette is out of her depth.. She doesn't realize that things have moved on and Israel are not viewed as they once were (erroniously to thiose who have been following and know the country and their real history)

    This is the face of Israel. A short interview with Jeremy Bowen but for anyone with even a little finger still in the Israel camp worth watching

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4wwxz12jko
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,272
    edited August 11
    Scott_xP said:

    TACO !

    @mmcassella

    The President has signed an executive order extending the U.S.-China tariff truce another 90 days, a White House official tells
    @EamonJavers
    .

    No word as to why this wasn't agreed in Stockholm, or in the two weeks since. Truce would now expire at 12:01 a.m. November 9.

    Now he’s getting 15% of Nvidia and AMD (IIrC) revenue for sales into China he has every incentive not to antagonise,
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,272
    The Twitter account of Grok has been suspended 😂😂😂😂

    https://x.com/wire1626254wire/status/1954977500678783378?s=61
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,541
    Taz said:

    The Twitter account of Grok has been suspended 😂😂😂😂

    https://x.com/wire1626254wire/status/1954977500678783378?s=61

    It was talking shit about the Pres...

    https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3lw3kzeyihc2z
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123
    ( @TSE just checking that my proposed article arrived, Sorry.)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,881
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Talking of decor - and money saving - by sheer coincidence my extravagantly beautiful and very expensive bespoke velvet bedroom curtains have this minute arrived from John Lewis

    Only “problem” - they’ve made me two sets of beautiful velvet curtains not one. I’ve got a free set of curtains. Worth hundreds. What do I do with it? Keep it spare?

    Maybe keep it spare for when one gets dry cleaned

    I promise to return to non decor related discussions before the end of the summer

    Bin them. No use to anyone apart from you and you already have a set.

    You can't sell them because they won't fit anywhere else.

    When I sold a flat some time ago I'd had some lovely silk blinds made for the windows which cost a fortune and when it came to selling the flat I offered to sell the blinds for £100. They offered £50 and I was so outraged I refused and the blinds spent the following 10 years in the attic of my new place before I finally threw them away. Lovely, they were and it's a tragedy.

    So bin them now and save the palaver.
    They are honestly too gorgeous to bin. Bespoke crushed velvet in this kind of rusty orange

    Oooooh

    I just can’t chuck em, psychologically

    I shall keep a set spare for emergencies and cleaning or maybe just rolling around in naked
    Think big - have another window put in for the curtains.
    Rusty orange is a 1970s colour !

    Especially perhaps from Habitat.
    Ford Capris, I think? Burnt Orange is certainly a Ford colour.


    https://touchuppaintfactory.co.uk/products/ford-all-models-burnt-orange-frd20005-u-z-touch-up-paint
  • Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    There's only one thing to be done.

    Recognise the West Bank as a sovereign Palestinian State, withdraw all support for Israel to settle it, get the settlers out, evacuate the Gazans there, and just give Gaza to Israel.
    Are you working for Egypt?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,541
    @yarotrof

    Reports from many Ukrainian sources of a potentially catastrophic Russian breakthrough toward Dobropilla in Donetsk region, with advance Russian troops cutting off the Dobropilla-Kramatorsk road. Unless stopped rapidly this has the potential to have very serious consequences.

    https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1954978445802475663
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522
    Scott_xP said:

    @yarotrof

    Reports from many Ukrainian sources of a potentially catastrophic Russian breakthrough toward Dobropilla in Donetsk region, with advance Russian troops cutting off the Dobropilla-Kramatorsk road. Unless stopped rapidly this has the potential to have very serious consequences.

    https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1954978445802475663

    Trump 45 did NOTHING to persuade Putin to withdraw from Crimea or Donetsk between 2017 and 2021.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,272
    Scott_xP said:

    Taz said:

    The Twitter account of Grok has been suspended 😂😂😂😂

    https://x.com/wire1626254wire/status/1954977500678783378?s=61

    It was talking shit about the Pres...

    https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3lw3kzeyihc2z
    Chat shit, get banged, as they say.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Taz said:

    The Twitter account of Grok has been suspended 😂😂😂😂

    https://x.com/wire1626254wire/status/1954977500678783378?s=61

    It was talking shit about the Pres...

    https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3lw3kzeyihc2z
    Chat shit, get banged, as they say.
    That's the problem. AI has a mind of its own and doesn't always follow its masters voice. It would have to be dumb not to recognise Trump as a crook
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,367
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    A propos very little, I was out and about on Saturday morning primarily to get the Racing Post (yes, I know I can read it online but I'm a bluff old traditionalist) and saw my local neighbourhood Police Officer with another officer taking a shoplifter into custody.

    While there are no doubt many who shoplift simply because they think they can get away with it, it's also clear a number of shoplifters have mental health and/or addiction issues.

    It's easy to tar all who transgress with the same brush and regrettably it seems attitudes to mental health problems and addictions have hardened in recent times.

    As a further aside, the closure and subsequent sale of East Ham Police Station by the London Mayor at the time, Boris Johnson, has been catastrophic for law enforcement in this part of London. From the other side of the capital, I read Wimbledon MP Paul Kohler is leading the fight to prevent the closure of Wimbledon Police Station.

    This act of blatant stupidity by the Met is for me unforgivable and indeed I'd support a London Mayoral candidate committed to restporing a Police presence in High Streets.

    You are saying that the Met has committed an act of blatant stupidity?

    Hmmm

    You are aware that their moto is “Primus Inter Stultos”?

  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,849

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    There's only one thing to be done.

    Recognise the West Bank as a sovereign Palestinian State, withdraw all support for Israel to settle it, get the settlers out, evacuate the Gazans there, and just give Gaza to Israel.
    I think that makes sense too.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    A propos very little, I was out and about on Saturday morning primarily to get the Racing Post (yes, I know I can read it online but I'm a bluff old traditionalist) and saw my local neighbourhood Police Officer with another officer taking a shoplifter into custody.

    While there are no doubt many who shoplift simply because they think they can get away with it, it's also clear a number of shoplifters have mental health and/or addiction issues.

    It's easy to tar all who transgress with the same brush and regrettably it seems attitudes to mental health problems and addictions have hardened in recent times.

    As a further aside, the closure and subsequent sale of East Ham Police Station by the London Mayor at the time, Boris Johnson, has been catastrophic for law enforcement in this part of London. From the other side of the capital, I read Wimbledon MP Paul Kohler is leading the fight to prevent the closure of Wimbledon Police Station.

    This act of blatant stupidity by the Met is for me unforgivable and indeed I'd support a London Mayoral candidate committed to restporing a Police presence in High Streets.

    You are saying that the Met has committed an act of blatant stupidity?

    Hmmm

    You are aware that their moto is “Primus Inter Stultos”?

    Barkingside in Ilford North lost its police station quite a while ago.
  • As a Zionist, I support Israel’s right to exist within its originally approved 1947 borders. I understand and sympathise with its territorial expansion in 1948 and 1967, though I do not endorse those changes. Like many, I was horrified by the events of October 2023 and understood the strong reaction that followed. However, this has now gone too far. Israel has lost almost all of its friends, and frankly, I doubt it will exist in thirty years’ time.
    I believe this outcome is exactly what Hamas intended. They wanted Israel to kill tens or even hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. They cared nothing for the suffering or deaths — their aim was to provoke an overreaction that would isolate Israel completely. And, by Jove, they have succeeded. Israel has walked straight into the trap.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,367

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    A propos very little, I was out and about on Saturday morning primarily to get the Racing Post (yes, I know I can read it online but I'm a bluff old traditionalist) and saw my local neighbourhood Police Officer with another officer taking a shoplifter into custody.

    While there are no doubt many who shoplift simply because they think they can get away with it, it's also clear a number of shoplifters have mental health and/or addiction issues.

    It's easy to tar all who transgress with the same brush and regrettably it seems attitudes to mental health problems and addictions have hardened in recent times.

    As a further aside, the closure and subsequent sale of East Ham Police Station by the London Mayor at the time, Boris Johnson, has been catastrophic for law enforcement in this part of London. From the other side of the capital, I read Wimbledon MP Paul Kohler is leading the fight to prevent the closure of Wimbledon Police Station.

    This act of blatant stupidity by the Met is for me unforgivable and indeed I'd support a London Mayoral candidate committed to restporing a Police presence in High Streets.

    You are saying that the Met has committed an act of blatant stupidity?

    Hmmm

    You are aware that their moto is “Primus Inter Stultos”?

    Barkingside in Ilford North lost its police station quite a while ago.
    The rank and file in the police regard the SMT with all the love that Roger has for Netanyahu.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,353
    Nigelb said:

    Vance: ‘We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business’
    https://thehill.com/homenews/5445500-vance-done-funding-ukraine-war-business/

    Quote from Project 2025. You should check it every time as it's Trump's checklist

    One school of conservative thought holds that as Moscow’s illegal war of aggression against Ukraine drags on, Russia presents major challenges to U.S. interests, as well as to peace, stability, and the post-Cold War security order in Europe. This viewpoint argues for continued U.S. involvement including military aid, economic aid, and the presence of NATO and U.S. troops if necessary. The end goal of the conflict must be the defeat of Russian President Vladimir Putin and a return to pre-invasion border lines.

    Another school of conservative thought denies that U.S. Ukrainian support is in the national security interest of America at all. Ukraine is not a member of the NATO alliance and is one of the most corrupt nations in the region. European nations directly affected by the conflict should aid in the defense of Ukraine, but the U.S. should not continue its involvement. This viewpoint desires a swift end to the conflict through a negotiated settlement between Ukraine and Russia.

    The tension between these competing positions has given rise to a third approach. This conservative viewpoint eschews both isolationism and interventionism. Rather, each foreign policy decision must first ask the question: What is in the interest of the American people? U.S. military engagement must clearly fall within U.S. interests; be fiscally responsible; and protect American freedom, liberty, and sovereignty, all while recognizing Communist China as the greatest threat to U.S. interests. Thus, with respect to Ukraine, continued U.S. involvement must be fully paid for; limited to military aid (while European allies address Ukraine’s economic needs); and have a clearly defined national security strategy that does not risk American lives..


  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,367
    Omnium said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    There's only one thing to be done.

    Recognise the West Bank as a sovereign Palestinian State, withdraw all support for Israel to settle it, get the settlers out, evacuate the Gazans there, and just give Gaza to Israel.
    I think that makes sense too.
    Fill in the sea. Make more land.

    It will cost a few hundred billion. Cheaper than 50 years of war in the region.
  • As a Zionist, I support Israel’s right to exist within its originally approved 1947 borders. I understand and sympathise with its territorial expansion in 1948 and 1967, though I do not endorse those changes. Like many, I was horrified by the events of October 2023 and understood the strong reaction that followed. However, this has now gone too far. Israel has lost almost all of its friends, and frankly, I doubt it will exist in thirty years’ time.
    I believe this outcome is exactly what Hamas intended. They wanted Israel to kill tens or even hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. They cared nothing for the suffering or deaths — their aim was to provoke an overreaction that would isolate Israel completely. And, by Jove, they have succeeded. Israel has walked straight into the trap.

    How did Hamas know that so much of the rest of the world would believe and propagate their propaganda?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,252
    MattW said:

    ( @TSE just checking that my proposed article arrived, Sorry.)

    Replied.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,541
    @atrupar.com‬

    Bowser: "I think I speak for all Americans -- we don't believe it's legal to use the American military against American citizens on American soil."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lw5jtecxan2q
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,252
    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    There's only one thing to be done.

    Recognise the West Bank as a sovereign Palestinian State, withdraw all support for Israel to settle it, get the settlers out, evacuate the Gazans there, and just give Gaza to Israel.
    Short of killing every Palestinian abroad as well as in Gaza and the West Bank Israel is just creating a diaspora wanting to return to their ancestral lands. Surely Jews should understand that? After all their own diaspora kept that desire for 20 centuries. Why should the Palestinians feel differently?
  • As a Zionist, I support Israel’s right to exist within its originally approved 1947 borders. I understand and sympathise with its territorial expansion in 1948 and 1967, though I do not endorse those changes. Like many, I was horrified by the events of October 2023 and understood the strong reaction that followed. However, this has now gone too far. Israel has lost almost all of its friends, and frankly, I doubt it will exist in thirty years’ time.
    I believe this outcome is exactly what Hamas intended. They wanted Israel to kill tens or even hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. They cared nothing for the suffering or deaths — their aim was to provoke an overreaction that would isolate Israel completely. And, by Jove, they have succeeded. Israel has walked straight into the trap.

    How did Hamas know that so much of the rest of the world would believe and propagate their propaganda?
    And how is the Israeli "genocide" of Gazans so absurdly inefficient?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,202

    viewcode said:

    Eabhal said:

    A man has died after he was restrained by a vigilante Co-op customer.

    The man, 52, was reported to police after staff at the Co-op store in Fore Street, Torpoint, Cornwall, were attacked at 4.45pm on Wednesday Aug 6.

    He was restrained by a male customer but became unresponsive a short while later.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/11/torpoint-coop-man-dies-after-restrained-customer/

    Misuse of "vigilante" is a bit risky by the Telegraph there, particularly if charges are brought.
    A-5.
    .
    a-5 vigilante
    .
    I see your Vigilante and raise. NR-349 - the proposed three engined version. Because, why not?
    The cancelled XF-108 was the fighter version, supposed to escort the XB-70 supersonic bomber. A couple of XB-70s were built before the project was cancelled, leading to no XF-108s being built at all.
    Let's not bring up Zircon while we're at it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123
    edited August 11
    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Talking of decor - and money saving - by sheer coincidence my extravagantly beautiful and very expensive bespoke velvet bedroom curtains have this minute arrived from John Lewis

    Only “problem” - they’ve made me two sets of beautiful velvet curtains not one. I’ve got a free set of curtains. Worth hundreds. What do I do with it? Keep it spare?

    Maybe keep it spare for when one gets dry cleaned

    I promise to return to non decor related discussions before the end of the summer

    Bin them. No use to anyone apart from you and you already have a set.

    You can't sell them because they won't fit anywhere else.

    When I sold a flat some time ago I'd had some lovely silk blinds made for the windows which cost a fortune and when it came to selling the flat I offered to sell the blinds for £100. They offered £50 and I was so outraged I refused and the blinds spent the following 10 years in the attic of my new place before I finally threw them away. Lovely, they were and it's a tragedy.

    So bin them now and save the palaver.
    They are honestly too gorgeous to bin. Bespoke crushed velvet in this kind of rusty orange

    Oooooh

    I just can’t chuck em, psychologically

    I shall keep a set spare for emergencies and cleaning or maybe just rolling around in naked
    Think big - have another window put in for the curtains.
    Rusty orange is a 1970s colour !

    Especially perhaps from Habitat.
    Ford Capris, I think? Burnt Orange is certainly a Ford colour.


    https://touchuppaintfactory.co.uk/products/ford-all-models-burnt-orange-frd20005-u-z-touch-up-paint
    In the late 70s, as a young whipper-snapper, I had a 25ft run of floor to ceiling burnt orange curtains in my bedroom, with woollen linings.

    Even small Derbyshire Halls have large rooms, and when there's little heating following 2 years of empty, they are not very warm.

    I think the colour is burnt into my brain.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,838

    As a Zionist, I support Israel’s right to exist within its originally approved 1947 borders. I understand and sympathise with its territorial expansion in 1948 and 1967, though I do not endorse those changes. Like many, I was horrified by the events of October 2023 and understood the strong reaction that followed. However, this has now gone too far. Israel has lost almost all of its friends, and frankly, I doubt it will exist in thirty years’ time.
    I believe this outcome is exactly what Hamas intended. They wanted Israel to kill tens or even hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. They cared nothing for the suffering or deaths — their aim was to provoke an overreaction that would isolate Israel completely. And, by Jove, they have succeeded. Israel has walked straight into the trap.

    How did Hamas know that so much of the rest of the world would believe and propagate their propaganda?
    Past form?
  • Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    There's only one thing to be done.

    Recognise the West Bank as a sovereign Palestinian State, withdraw all support for Israel to settle it, get the settlers out, evacuate the Gazans there, and just give Gaza to Israel.
    Short of killing every Palestinian abroad as well as in Gaza and the West Bank Israel is just creating a diaspora wanting to return to their ancestral lands. Surely Jews should understand that? After all their own diaspora kept that desire for 20 centuries. Why should the Palestinians feel differently?
    How many of them can countenance the existence of Israel next door?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123

    MattW said:

    ( @TSE just checking that my proposed article arrived, Sorry.)

    Replied.
    Thanks.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,838
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    There's only one thing to be done.

    Recognise the West Bank as a sovereign Palestinian State, withdraw all support for Israel to settle it, get the settlers out, evacuate the Gazans there, and just give Gaza to Israel.
    Short of killing every Palestinian abroad as well as in Gaza and the West Bank Israel is just creating a diaspora wanting to return to their ancestral lands. Surely Jews should understand that? After all their own diaspora kept that desire for 20 centuries. Why should the Palestinians feel differently?
    Don't give Netanyahu and Ben-Gvir ideas.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,838

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    There's a lady on Mastermind right now: Hunger Games as specialist subject.
    Purge
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,838

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    There's a lady on Mastermind right now: Hunger Games as specialist subject.
    Purge
    Wasn't that so they could eat more to show off their wealth?
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