I'm not sure whether I agree. There is evidence SEN referrals have risen exponentially since COVID and the system for assessment and the specialist accommodation required just hasn't existed to meet the huge new demand.
I'm not sure you can make a sweeping series of assertions about the economy and our capitalist model from this.
Around 15% of our medical students now claim to have some form of neurodivergence, so it must be at least that in schools. I don't see this as sustainable, and it takes resources away from the much smaller minority with major issues.
Rather than SEN transport, perhaps we need a return to special schools.
If neurodivergence is increasing, at some point it will become the norm, so education methods will need to adjust and the people we have traditionally labelled 'normal' will have the special needs.
I faintly hope this also applies to BMI. Then those weird 'thinnos' will be force-fed cake and buttered cheese scones.
The scones should have jam and cream on them. 1 Devon style and 1 Cornwall style for comparison.
Not on cheese scones. Yuk.
The best scones I have ever tasted were blueberry and lemon, from the National Trust Book of Scones.
Primrose Hill looking exquisite, again, in the slant summer sun
I’ll say it once more: just build loads of Primrose Hills all over the country. Get tae fuck with these red brick semi asphalt Barratt home Leicester-suburb hell holes
Given PB, someone will be along in a minute to list all the crime and riots which were not prevented by the existence of Georgian London.
Along that same canal arrived the Peaky Blinders.
Very true!
It always amuses me, how NW1 has ascended the social ladder
At late as the 1960s, Primrose Hill was known as "soot city" because of all the fumes and grime from the steam trains running right alongside it. Property was, for this reason, dirt cheap, which is why penniless poets like Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes could live (and die) here
Ironically, it is the same isolation enforced by the railway tracks and associated roads (and some parks) which now makes Primrose Hill a weird isolated enclave of beauty, and thus so desirable
I cannot honestly think of a nicer place to live, in any major city, anywhere in the world
According to people who were present (shopkeepers opposite the church).
- Several hundred people present (say ~500). - Police presence three riots vans and a car. - Noisy but peaceful. - Small counter-presence from Stand Up to Racism (they are approximately the SWAPPIES). - There was a march "from the ASDA car park to Sutton Lawn". That is the park where there was an alleged rape for which an alleged (says Lee Anderson most loudly) asylum seeker is in custody until August 19. Clearly some have driven in . - The only people I see reporting "asylum seeker" are Lee Anderson, and GB News. The police have not said so, but Lee Anderson has had a private conversation with them, so I cannot do more than place a question mark. - Demo probably limited to 2hrs out and back as that is the free parking limit at ASDA.
The most interesting place to have been would have been at the ASDA car park to see how many had driven not walked.
It was clearly organised - police presence, counter-demo. But I have not yet spotted the networks used. Often these are via Discord or Telegram, at least in part. OK checking - announcements online in several places.
This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
As long as it stays in England and doesn’t cross the borders to Scotland and Wales.
Possibly too late. The is a UKIP (yes) backed “mass deportation” rally in Glasgow tomorrow. Hopefully not well attended. But it's creeping up on us all the same.
Rangers not playing so above average number of racist rsoles at a loose end.
This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
You wish.
No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.
Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.
This is only growing.
There are no asylum hotels in Ashfield AFAIK. The nearest I am aware of was one in Mansfield which closed a year ago.
Do you have a link to such a report?
(Though obvs the mouth breathers are thick enough that they would believe it and turn up to holler if someone on social media said so.)
It might not be an asylum hotel, it might be the new thing of "asylum housing", esp "Housing of Multiple Occupancy", by which nominal legerdemain Labour are hoping to defuse the boats row. They will fail
I'm not sure whether I agree. There is evidence SEN referrals have risen exponentially since COVID and the system for assessment and the specialist accommodation required just hasn't existed to meet the huge new demand.
I'm not sure you can make a sweeping series of assertions about the economy and our capitalist model from this.
Around 15% of our medical students now claim to have some form of neurodivergence, so it must be at least that in schools. I don't see this as sustainable, and it takes resources away from the much smaller minority with major issues.
Rather than SEN transport, perhaps we need a return to special schools.
If neurodivergence is increasing, at some point it will become the norm, so education methods will need to adjust and the people we have traditionally labelled 'normal' will have the special needs.
I faintly hope this also applies to BMI. Then those weird 'thinnos' will be force-fed cake and buttered cheese scones.
The scones should have jam and cream on them. 1 Devon style and 1 Cornwall style for comparison.
Not on cheese scones. Yuk.
The best scones I have ever tasted were blueberry and lemon, from the National Trust Book of Scones.
My first job involved making scones. For quality control purposes I had to eat quite a lot of them. Tesco oat bran and cherry were my favourites.
Primrose Hill looking exquisite, again, in the slant summer sun
I’ll say it once more: just build loads of Primrose Hills all over the country. Get tae fuck with these red brick semi asphalt Barratt home Leicester-suburb hell holes
Given PB, someone will be along in a minute to list all the crime and riots which were not prevented by the existence of Georgian London.
Along that same canal arrived the Peaky Blinders.
Very true!
It always amuses me, how NW1 has ascended the social ladder
At late as the 1960s, Primrose Hill was known as "soot city" because of all the fumes and grime from the steam trains running right alongside it. Property was, for this reason, dirt cheap, which is why penniless poets like Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes could live (and die) here
Ironically, it is now the isolation enforced by the railway tracks and associated roads which now make Primrose Hill a weird isolated enclave of beauty, and thus so desirable
I cannot honestly think of a nicer place to live, in any major city, anywhere in the world
Yet at one time the Canal was an infested strip, at least once punctuated by massive explosions from gunpowder barges. Happily the Zoo was not too bady affected, but 'The elands and antelopes, the giraffes, the elephants, and a rhinoceros, showed great excitement.’
Primrose Hill looking exquisite, again, in the slant summer sun
I’ll say it once more: just build loads of Primrose Hills all over the country. Get tae fuck with these red brick semi asphalt Barratt home Leicester-suburb hell holes
Given PB, someone will be along in a minute to list all the crime and riots which were not prevented by the existence of Georgian London.
Along that same canal arrived the Peaky Blinders.
Very true!
It always amuses me, how NW1 has ascended the social ladder
At late as the 1960s, Primrose Hill was known as "soot city" because of all the fumes and grime from the steam trains running right alongside it. Property was, for this reason, dirt cheap, which is why penniless poets like Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes could live (and die) here
Ironically, it is now the isolation enforced by the railway tracks and associated roads which now make Primrose Hill a weird isolated enclave of beauty, and thus so desirable
I cannot honestly think of a nicer place to live, in any major city, anywhere in the world
Yet at one time the Canal was an infested strip, at least o epunctuated by massive explosions from gunpowder barges. Happily the Zoo was not too bady affected, but 'The elands and antelopes, the giraffes, the elephants, and a rhinoceros, showed great excitement.’
If I had a time machine the first thing I would do is go back and buy six houses in Primrose Hill for three quid each. Fuck all that "Hitler as a baby" shit
According to people who were present (shopkeepers opposite the church).
- Several hundred people present (say ~500). - Police presence three riots vans and a car. - Noisy but peaceful. - Small counter-presence from Stand Up to Racism (they are approximately the SWAPPIES). - There was a march "from the ASDA car park to Sutton Lawn". That is the park where there was an alleged rape for which an alleged (says Lee Anderson most loudly) asylum seeker is in custody until August 19. Clearly some have driven in . - The only people I see reporting "asylum seeker" are Lee Anderson, and GB News. The police have not said so, but Lee Anderson has had a private conversation with them, so I cannot do more than place a question mark. - Demo probably limited to 2hrs out and back as that is the free parking limit at ASDA.
The most interesting place to have been would have been at the ASDA car park to see how many had driven not walked.
It was clearly organised - police presence, counter-demo. But I have not yet spotted the networks used. Often these are via Discord or Telegram, at least in part. OK checking - announcements online in several places.
La-la-la-la life goes on.
Let me know when the demos start from Booths or Waitrose and I might be interested.
Reform didn't really care when they were splitting the right vote and handing Labour the advantage, or certainly they stopped caring so much when the prospect of usurping the Conservatives became a realistic possibility. The same will be true, or should be true, of the Corbyn vehicle.
Ultimately without PR if you want to govern you're going to have to replace the traditional parties somewhere along the line, so you just need to suck up those instances when you're popular enough to harm your ""wing" but not popular enough to make much major ground in your own party's terms.
Primrose Hill looking exquisite, again, in the slant summer sun
I’ll say it once more: just build loads of Primrose Hills all over the country. Get tae fuck with these red brick semi asphalt Barratt home Leicester-suburb hell holes
Given PB, someone will be along in a minute to list all the crime and riots which were not prevented by the existence of Georgian London.
Along that same canal arrived the Peaky Blinders.
Very true!
It always amuses me, how NW1 has ascended the social ladder
At late as the 1960s, Primrose Hill was known as "soot city" because of all the fumes and grime from the steam trains running right alongside it. Property was, for this reason, dirt cheap, which is why penniless poets like Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes could live (and die) here
Ironically, it is now the isolation enforced by the railway tracks and associated roads which now make Primrose Hill a weird isolated enclave of beauty, and thus so desirable
I cannot honestly think of a nicer place to live, in any major city, anywhere in the world
Yet at one time the Canal was an infested strip, at least o epunctuated by massive explosions from gunpowder barges. Happily the Zoo was not too bady affected, but 'The elands and antelopes, the giraffes, the elephants, and a rhinoceros, showed great excitement.’
If I had a time machine the first thing I would do is go back and buy six houses in Primrose Hill for three quid each. Fuck all that "Hitler as a baby" shit
Priorities
Personally I’d buy a small cabbage farm to the west of London
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I'm not sure whether I agree. There is evidence SEN referrals have risen exponentially since COVID and the system for assessment and the specialist accommodation required just hasn't existed to meet the huge new demand.
I'm not sure you can make a sweeping series of assertions about the economy and our capitalist model from this.
Around 15% of our medical students now claim to have some form of neurodivergence, so it must be at least that in schools. I don't see this as sustainable, and it takes resources away from the much smaller minority with major issues.
Rather than SEN transport, perhaps we need a return to special schools.
If neurodivergence is increasing, at some point it will become the norm, so education methods will need to adjust and the people we have traditionally labelled 'normal' will have the special needs.
I faintly hope this also applies to BMI. Then those weird 'thinnos' will be force-fed cake and buttered cheese scones.
The scones should have jam and cream on them. 1 Devon style and 1 Cornwall style for comparison.
Not on cheese scones. Yuk.
The best scones I have ever tasted were blueberry and lemon, from the National Trust Book of Scones.
My first job involved making scones. For quality control purposes I had to eat quite a lot of them. Tesco oat bran and cherry were my favourites.
I only like fresh scones. After about 2-3 hours the texture changes from dough-like to cake-like, which isn't to my taste.
Primrose Hill looking exquisite, again, in the slant summer sun
I’ll say it once more: just build loads of Primrose Hills all over the country. Get tae fuck with these red brick semi asphalt Barratt home Leicester-suburb hell holes
Given PB, someone will be along in a minute to list all the crime and riots which were not prevented by the existence of Georgian London.
Along that same canal arrived the Peaky Blinders.
Very true!
It always amuses me, how NW1 has ascended the social ladder
At late as the 1960s, Primrose Hill was known as "soot city" because of all the fumes and grime from the steam trains running right alongside it. Property was, for this reason, dirt cheap, which is why penniless poets like Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes could live (and die) here
Ironically, it is now the isolation enforced by the railway tracks and associated roads which now make Primrose Hill a weird isolated enclave of beauty, and thus so desirable
I cannot honestly think of a nicer place to live, in any major city, anywhere in the world
Yet at one time the Canal was an infested strip, at least o epunctuated by massive explosions from gunpowder barges. Happily the Zoo was not too bady affected, but 'The elands and antelopes, the giraffes, the elephants, and a rhinoceros, showed great excitement.’
If I had a time machine the first thing I would do is go back and buy six houses in Primrose Hill for three quid each. Fuck all that "Hitler as a baby" shit
Priorities
Oh, I wasn't disagreeing: far from it. The 'Yet' was grammatically referent to the present tense applying to your last sentence.
My friend lives in what was once classic Rachman terrain. Now ...
Primrose Hill looking exquisite, again, in the slant summer sun
I’ll say it once more: just build loads of Primrose Hills all over the country. Get tae fuck with these red brick semi asphalt Barratt home Leicester-suburb hell holes
Given PB, someone will be along in a minute to list all the crime and riots which were not prevented by the existence of Georgian London.
Along that same canal arrived the Peaky Blinders.
Very true!
It always amuses me, how NW1 has ascended the social ladder
At late as the 1960s, Primrose Hill was known as "soot city" because of all the fumes and grime from the steam trains running right alongside it. Property was, for this reason, dirt cheap, which is why penniless poets like Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes could live (and die) here
Ironically, it is now the isolation enforced by the railway tracks and associated roads which now make Primrose Hill a weird isolated enclave of beauty, and thus so desirable
I cannot honestly think of a nicer place to live, in any major city, anywhere in the world
Yet at one time the Canal was an infested strip, at least o epunctuated by massive explosions from gunpowder barges. Happily the Zoo was not too bady affected, but 'The elands and antelopes, the giraffes, the elephants, and a rhinoceros, showed great excitement.’
If I had a time machine the first thing I would do is go back and buy six houses in Primrose Hill for three quid each. Fuck all that "Hitler as a baby" shit
Priorities
So would I, except I would be concerned about who my neighbour might be,
I'm not sure whether I agree. There is evidence SEN referrals have risen exponentially since COVID and the system for assessment and the specialist accommodation required just hasn't existed to meet the huge new demand.
I'm not sure you can make a sweeping series of assertions about the economy and our capitalist model from this.
Around 15% of our medical students now claim to have some form of neurodivergence, so it must be at least that in schools. I don't see this as sustainable, and it takes resources away from the much smaller minority with major issues.
Rather than SEN transport, perhaps we need a return to special schools.
If neurodivergence is increasing, at some point it will become the norm, so education methods will need to adjust and the people we have traditionally labelled 'normal' will have the special needs.
I faintly hope this also applies to BMI. Then those weird 'thinnos' will be force-fed cake and buttered cheese scones.
The scones should have jam and cream on them. 1 Devon style and 1 Cornwall style for comparison.
Not on cheese scones. Yuk.
The best scones I have ever tasted were blueberry and lemon, from the National Trust Book of Scones.
My first job involved making scones. For quality control purposes I had to eat quite a lot of them. Tesco oat bran and cherry were my favourites.
I only like fresh scones. After about 2-3 hours the texture changes from dough-like to cake-like, which isn't to my taste.
Best when still warm. Keep the Gaviscon handy, though.
"The local authorities know that these costs are ultimately unsustainable. SEND taxis, adult social care, and the various other statutory obligations substantially exceed the taxes they are able to levy. But it is illegal for them not to provide those services, so they go on doing so; borrowing for as long as they are able to, in the knowledge that at some point, they will go bust — as some already have and dozens more are projected to in the coming few years. If a private company were to do this, it would be considered trading while insolvent and it would be illegal — but for the local authority, it would be illegal for them not to."
I've just been to the Palladium to see Rachel Zegler singing Don't Cry for me Argentina from the outside balcony. A warm sunny evening. A massive crowd. Everyone smiling and clapping. London is like a box of chocolates. All sizes, ages and colours. Enjoying themselves together ❤️. Magic
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
That is, I believe, quite probably what the police are doing. Trying to get things to kick off, so Skyr Toolmakersson can wade in and do another "Southports Riots situation"
The entire British Establishment, from politicians to police, needs to be swept away, and put on trial, and - if convicted - jailed for many years
@POTUS in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
That is, I believe, quite probably what the police are doing. Trying to get things to kick off, so Skyr Toolmakersson can wade in and do another "Southports Riots situation"
The entire British Establishment, from politicians to police, needs to be swept away, and put on trial, and - if convicted - jailed for many years
You really believe it? I'm prepared to entertain most ideas nowadays but that's going a bit far. Anyway the establishment need to nip these conspiracies in the bud. Think of all the efforts they make to retain the confidence of the community when it comes to any minority group. It's clearly being lost among the WWC.
This one is called "Active Patriot", has 35k followers, and is run a man called Alan Leggett, who is an associate of Tommy Robinson / Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. His bag is to visit asylum hotels or facilities, make films (at least 60) and post them to social media. He has had a more than one suspended sentence or other punishment, and is under a 15 year restraint order. He has been going since at least 2020.
OT - I supect the new party would take either winning a lot of councillors or costing Labour more with equal pleasure. They don't expect to win an election they want to force Lab back to the left. They can certainly do damage in London and urban areas - at least they can if they can come to an arrangement with the Greens (which is easier said than done),
Sky report there are 200 councillors already signed up to the new party. That would be a quarter of what the Greens or Reform UK have.
... it's bogus for the WSJ to publish a hit piece without showing us the letter.
I have no idea if the book exists--WSJ won't show it to us. I have no idea if the letter exists--WSJ won't show it to us. What I find absurd is the idea that Donald Trump was writing poems to Epstein, and I find it equally absurd that a major American paper would attack the President of the United States without revealing the basis for the attack
Vance is transparently urging the WSJ to publish the smoking gun. If it does, Trump is destroyed to the possible benefit of Vance; if it doesn't, he can say, told you so.
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
That is, I believe, quite probably what the police are doing. Trying to get things to kick off, so Skyr Toolmakersson can wade in and do another "Southports Riots situation"
The entire British Establishment, from politicians to police, needs to be swept away, and put on trial, and - if convicted - jailed for many years
You really believe it? I'm prepared to entertain most ideas nowadays but that's going a bit far. Anyway the establishment need to nip these conspiracies in the bud. Think of all the efforts they make to retain the confidence of the community when it comes to any minority group. It's clearly being lost among the WWC.
The government lied to us for two years about importing seventy trillion Afghans. They lied to us then lied about lying and then tried to jail anyone that even mentioned the subject related to the lying, let alone the actual lies
Unfortunately - because I am sane - I no longer believe a single thing the government says to me, because they are the worst kind of liars. The British police merely do their bidding
So yes, from the visual evidence I've seen I do believe something slightly "odd" is going on with the police so assiduously bussing in tiny groups of leftist wankers to enrage these local protests. Then carefully escorting them to the place they can do maximum provocation. It reeks
My judgment errs towards the skeptical. I wish this wasn't the case. But what are we meant to think, following the revelation of the Afghan lies? What else are they lying about, and lying about lying about? Even as they jail those that dare to suggest they are lying?
I'm not sure whether I agree. There is evidence SEN referrals have risen exponentially since COVID and the system for assessment and the specialist accommodation required just hasn't existed to meet the huge new demand.
I'm not sure you can make a sweeping series of assertions about the economy and our capitalist model from this.
Around 15% of our medical students now claim to have some form of neurodivergence, so it must be at least that in schools. I don't see this as sustainable, and it takes resources away from the much smaller minority with major issues.
Rather than SEN transport, perhaps we need a return to special schools.
If neurodivergence is increasing, at some point it will become the norm, so education methods will need to adjust and the people we have traditionally labelled 'normal' will have the special needs.
I faintly hope this also applies to BMI. Then those weird 'thinnos' will be force-fed cake and buttered cheese scones.
The scones should have jam and cream on them. 1 Devon style and 1 Cornwall style for comparison.
I asked ChatGPT, and it was very clear in its opinion that Devon style is the way to go.
@POTUS in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."
@POTUS in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."
@POTUS in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
That is, I believe, quite probably what the police are doing. Trying to get things to kick off, so Skyr Toolmakersson can wade in and do another "Southports Riots situation"
The entire British Establishment, from politicians to police, needs to be swept away, and put on trial, and - if convicted - jailed for many years
You really believe it? I'm prepared to entertain most ideas nowadays but that's going a bit far. Anyway the establishment need to nip these conspiracies in the bud. Think of all the efforts they make to retain the confidence of the community when it comes to any minority group. It's clearly being lost among the WWC.
The government lied to us for two years about importing seventy trillion Afghans. They lied to us then lied about lying and then tried to jail anyone that even mentioned the subject related to the lying, let alone the actual lies
Unfortunately - because I am sane
When you say 'I am sane', which of your personalities are you referring to?
@POTUS in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
@POTUS in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."
Oh what a drear dark close to my poor day! How could that red sun drop in that black cloud? Ah Pippa, morning’s rule is moved away, Dispensed with, never more to be allowed! Day’s turn is over, now arrives the night’s. Oh lark, be day’s apostle To mavis, merle and throstle, Bid them their betters jostle From day and its delights! But at night, brother howlet, over the woods, Toll the world to thy chantry; Sing to the bats’ sleek sisterhoods Full complines with gallantry: Then, owls and bats, Cowls and twats, Monks and nuns, in a cloister’s moods, Adjourn to the oak-stump pantry!
@POTUS in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."
@POTUS in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."
@POTUS in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
The populist right lie. That's their modus operandi. It's not an accident; it's central to how they operate. We've seen this with the MAGA movement in the US. Trump (who Farage and Yusuf adore) lies constantly. He is completely post-truth: he just says whatever he wants to be true.
Reform UK can't tell the truth, because none of their promises work if you start with reality. Their big spending announcements in recent months fell apart within hours.
@POTUS in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."
@POTUS in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
That is, I believe, quite probably what the police are doing. Trying to get things to kick off, so Skyr Toolmakersson can wade in and do another "Southports Riots situation"
The entire British Establishment, from politicians to police, needs to be swept away, and put on trial, and - if convicted - jailed for many years
You really believe it? I'm prepared to entertain most ideas nowadays but that's going a bit far. Anyway the establishment need to nip these conspiracies in the bud. Think of all the efforts they make to retain the confidence of the community when it comes to any minority group. It's clearly being lost among the WWC.
The government lied to us for two years about importing seventy trillion Afghans. They lied to us then lied about lying and then tried to jail anyone that even mentioned the subject related to the lying, let alone the actual lies
Unfortunately - because I am sane
When you say 'I am sane', which of your personalities are you referring to?
The problem is that when you have a large number of personalities, they need to vote on each other’s sanity.
Now would modified AV or STV be the right way to go?
@POTUS in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
That is, I believe, quite probably what the police are doing. Trying to get things to kick off, so Skyr Toolmakersson can wade in and do another "Southports Riots situation"
The entire British Establishment, from politicians to police, needs to be swept away, and put on trial, and - if convicted - jailed for many years
You really believe it? I'm prepared to entertain most ideas nowadays but that's going a bit far. Anyway the establishment need to nip these conspiracies in the bud. Think of all the efforts they make to retain the confidence of the community when it comes to any minority group. It's clearly being lost among the WWC.
The government lied to us for two years about importing seventy trillion Afghans. They lied to us then lied about lying and then tried to jail anyone that even mentioned the subject related to the lying, let alone the actual lies
Unfortunately - because I am sane
When you say 'I am sane', which of your personalities are you referring to?
The problem is that when you have a large number of personalities, they need to vote on each other’s sanity.
Now would modified AV or STV be the right way to go?
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
But the policing still needs explanation. Whether or not they were 'bussed' in is a technicality.
I don't think it is a mere technicality. It appears that the police did not give counter-protestors a bus to the demo. They escorted them on foot, then when things got out of hand, took them away. That's serious, and in my view reprehensible and the opposite of good policing - but it's not as gut-wrenchingly wicked as what I thought (and argued) had happened last night, so I it's important for me to concede that.
Farage is right that the police still have big questions to answer, but he's also very lucky that he largely walks on water just now.
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
But the policing still needs explanation. Whether or not they were 'bussed' in is a technicality.
There are two separate issues:
(1) Was the tweet deliberately misleading, to the extent of being a deliberate lie?
(2) Did the police act in an appropriate way?
There is no need at all to conflate the issues.
The trouble is pb is full of people who are obsessed with 1 and completely uninterested in 2.
If you think that the populists lie then you need to counter it. A chief constable who doesn't think it's for himself to comment on his own force's operation isn't helping things.
@POTUS in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
@leon repeated it as fact. I challenged him on it as it had been denied (I had no idea if true, but clearly it was disputed) @leon's reply was to quote the Telegraph. One's mind boggles as the gullibility of some
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
The populist right lie. That's their modus operandi. It's not an accident; it's central to how they operate. We've seen this with the MAGA movement in the US. Trump (who Farage and Yusuf adore) lies constantly. He is completely post-truth: he just says whatever he wants to be true.
Reform UK can't tell the truth, because none of their promises work if you start with reality. Their big spending announcements in recent months fell apart within hours.
I think there's something in the populist right saying what they believe to be true, and not being 'across the detail'. That's not just Nigel and Lee Anderson - Zia Yusuf has been caught out too.
But I don't think a supporter of Keir Starmer can really expect to be taken seriously on the subject of lying. That man has lied five times before he finishes his shreddies.
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
Then perhaps Farage's lost could hold their hate-fest somewhere else than actually at the hotel? As if that would ever happen.
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
But the policing still needs explanation. Whether or not they were 'bussed' in is a technicality.
It is not a technicality. If they did bus them in that is very serious. This is denied. They claim to be bussing out vulnerable people. It is a huge difference and not a technicality.
This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
You wish.
No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.
Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.
This is only growing.
It is hard to believe that people can look back at last years race riots and think "let's do that again".
You understand the difference between protest and violence right?
Do UKIP, the Homeland Party and Tommy Robinson's supporters understand that?
I suppose we're going to find out.........
However you can't deny people the right to peacefully demonstrate.
You can if you declare them a terrorist group, as we've seen in recent weeks.
Ridiculous.
Are you saying it was ridiculous to declare Palestine Action a terrorist group? Some people do think that. Others feel that PA crossed the line into terrorism and that this sort of ban is appropriate. The Homeland Party and Robinson's supporters would appear to come close to terrorism too. The Homeland Party East Midlands organiser had guns confiscated and a gun licence refused for, among other things, sharing terrorist literature.
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
The populist right lie. That's their modus operandi. It's not an accident; it's central to how they operate. We've seen this with the MAGA movement in the US. Trump (who Farage and Yusuf adore) lies constantly. He is completely post-truth: he just says whatever he wants to be true.
Reform UK can't tell the truth, because none of their promises work if you start with reality. Their big spending announcements in recent months fell apart within hours.
I think there's something in the populist right saying what they believe to be true, and not being 'across the detail'. That's not just Nigel and Lee Anderson - Zia Yusuf has been caught out too.
But I don't think a supporter of Keir Starmer can really expect to be taken seriously on the subject of lying. That man has lied five times before he finishes his shreddies.
I wasn't aware that there were any supporters of Keir Starmer in this conversation. Who were you thinking of?
This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
You wish.
No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.
Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.
This is only growing.
It is hard to believe that people can look back at last years race riots and think "let's do that again".
You understand the difference between protest and violence right?
Do UKIP, the Homeland Party and Tommy Robinson's supporters understand that?
I suppose we're going to find out.........
However you can't deny people the right to peacefully demonstrate.
You can if you declare them a terrorist group, as we've seen in recent weeks.
Ridiculous.
Are you saying it was ridiculous to declare Palestine Action a terrorist group? Some people do think that. Others feel that PA crossed the line into terrorism and that this sort of ban is appropriate. The Homeland Party and Robinson's supporters would appear to come close to terrorism too. The Homeland Party East Midlands organiser had a gun had guns confiscated and a gun licence refused for, among other things, sharing terrorist literature.
Are you assuming that all people who have demonstrated outside hotels are supporters of the Homeland Party or Robinson? And you are aware of the millions of pounds worth of damage done by PA? If you want to automatically cast aspersions on mothers holding signs saying they are concerned about their daughter's safety that is up to you.
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
But the policing still needs explanation. Whether or not they were 'bussed' in is a technicality.
The police placed a line of officers between two opposed demonstrations. Is that not just normal policing? The Essex Police statement seems reasonable to me: they say they have a legal duty t facilitate legal protest by both sides.
I don't see "bussed in" as a "technicality". Farage and Anderson have used their fabrication to build a narrative of police bias, to the extent that someone has been demanding that "heads must roll".
If you have a read of the Facebook Page I linked "Active Patriot" run by Alan Leggett (Tommy Robinson acolyte), you can see it bleeding through in places in comments.
My political comment is that Farage, Anderson and so on are trying to exploit the far right animated street politics, whilst trying to maintain a distance from it for political marketing reasons.
This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
You wish.
No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.
Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.
This is only growing.
It is hard to believe that people can look back at last years race riots and think "let's do that again".
You understand the difference between protest and violence right?
Do UKIP, the Homeland Party and Tommy Robinson's supporters understand that?
I suppose we're going to find out.........
However you can't deny people the right to peacefully demonstrate.
You can if you declare them a terrorist group, as we've seen in recent weeks.
Ridiculous.
Are you saying it was ridiculous to declare Palestine Action a terrorist group? Some people do think that. Others feel that PA crossed the line into terrorism and that this sort of ban is appropriate. The Homeland Party and Robinson's supporters would appear to come close to terrorism too. The Homeland Party East Midlands organiser had a gun had guns confiscated and a gun licence refused for, among other things, sharing terrorist literature.
Are you assuming that all people who have demonstrated outside hotels are supporters of the Homeland Party or Robinson? And you are aware of the millions of pounds worth of damage done by PA? If you want to automatically cast aspersions on mothers holding signs saying they are concerned about their daughter's safety that is up to you.
We know for certain that the Homeland Party, Robinson's supporters and other neo-Nazi groups have been present at and involved in organising various protests. I'm not saying everyone at those protests is like that, but some are.
I haven't (at least not today) expressed an opinion on the actions of PA and whether it was right to declare them a terrorist organisation. Yes, they caused millions of pounds worth of damage. At the same time, I think we should be careful about denying people the right to peacefully demonstrate.
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
The populist right lie. That's their modus operandi. It's not an accident; it's central to how they operate. We've seen this with the MAGA movement in the US. Trump (who Farage and Yusuf adore) lies constantly. He is completely post-truth: he just says whatever he wants to be true.
Reform UK can't tell the truth, because none of their promises work if you start with reality. Their big spending announcements in recent months fell apart within hours.
I think there's something in the populist right saying what they believe to be true, and not being 'across the detail'. That's not just Nigel and Lee Anderson - Zia Yusuf has been caught out too.
But I don't think a supporter of Keir Starmer can really expect to be taken seriously on the subject of lying. That man has lied five times before he finishes his shreddies.
I wasn't aware that there were any supporters of Keir Starmer in this conversation. Who were you thinking of?
I’ll take a poll of @SeanT’s personalities. Some of them said they voted for Starmer, so….
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
But the policing still needs explanation. Whether or not they were 'bussed' in is a technicality.
There are two separate issues:
(1) Was the tweet deliberately misleading, to the extent of being a deliberate lie?
(2) Did the police act in an appropriate way?
There is no need at all to conflate the issues.
The trouble is pb is full of people who are obsessed with 1 and completely uninterested in 2.
If you think that the populists lie then you need to counter it. A chief constable who doesn't think it's for himself to comment on his own force's operation isn't helping things.
I've just commented on (1) in a seperate comment. Yes, I think Farage is being deliberately deceptive for stirring reasons - at root, it's just what he does as a Flim-Flam man. Anderson is repeating things that are untrue; he could be being stupid, bit OTOH I think it is a "reasonable man ought to have known" test for Contempt of Court. It may even be the famous passenger on the Clapham Omnibus. I don't think public figures can use their public platforms to mislead. They should make their actual arguments.
As someone directly affected because I live here, I have already asked the police to consider whether Anderson is in contempt of court, though I am surmising that that may need to be referred somewhere else. The "general" form on the police website is a bloody nightmare.
It is now for the relevant parties to make judgements about threshold etc.
I'm currently considering whether I should also ask them to consider something around the "stirring" nature of his communications.
On (2) are we talking Essex there on appropriate policing? I thought the DCI of Essex had commented.
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
That is, I believe, quite probably what the police are doing. Trying to get things to kick off, so Skyr Toolmakersson can wade in and do another "Southports Riots situation"
The entire British Establishment, from politicians to police, needs to be swept away, and put on trial, and - if convicted - jailed for many years
You really believe it? I'm prepared to entertain most ideas nowadays but that's going a bit far. Anyway the establishment need to nip these conspiracies in the bud. Think of all the efforts they make to retain the confidence of the community when it comes to any minority group. It's clearly being lost among the WWC.
The government lied to us for two years about importing seventy trillion Afghans. They lied to us then lied about lying and then tried to jail anyone that even mentioned the subject related to the lying, let alone the actual lies
Unfortunately - because I am sane
When you say 'I am sane', which of your personalities are you referring to?
The problem is that when you have a large number of personalities, they need to vote on each other’s sanity.
Now would modified AV or STV be the right way to go?
I suggest that a Black Box analysis is far more appropriate for @Leon than a White Box analysis.
There are inputs and outputs, and no one - including possibly @Leon himself - has the foggiest idea what happens inside the box.
If I think that @Leon is not being "sane", I make the charitable assumption that he has drink taken or recently up woken, make a note that it is Loon not Leon for now, and go for a walk.
Despite being frivolous at 10pm on a Friday, and not knowing about children etc, I suggest that "amicably" is good advice, even if you feel that in some areas you have lost out. Your partner may feel the same about other things.
So if it can be done non-abusively, bite your tongue, let your partner bite his/her tongue on other things, and accept that growing apart - like growing together, is far less painful as a gradual process. Be kind.
Keep the parts of your relationship that you can preserve. "Friends who used to be lovers" is better than "Silence now and forever". The hole is smaller and less echoing.
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
But the policing still needs explanation. Whether or not they were 'bussed' in is a technicality.
I don't think it is a mere technicality. It appears that the police did not give counter-protestors a bus to the demo. They escorted them on foot, then when things got out of hand, took them away. That's serious, and in my view reprehensible and the opposite of good policing - but it's not as gut-wrenchingly wicked as what I thought (and argued) had happened last night, so I it's important for me to concede that.
Farage is right that the police still have big questions to answer, but he's also very lucky that he largely walks on water just now.
That's a good comment, even though I'm on the other side of both the argument, and probably the politics of the question, given our somewhat different views of Farage etc.
"I have been a regular visitor to the United States for over 30 years. And lived there from 2016 till November 2023. In the 90s and early 2000s a visit to New York was comparable or cheaper to London. A good hotel was £200 per night. American items, CDs, electronics, and food were mostly cheaper than London. Food, taxis, and entertainment were on a par. You knew where you stood.
Then something happened in the early 2010s.
America became expensive. And I mean really expensive. A Google employee relocating from London to New York was recently thrilled with a 3x (as they call it) salary increase, until he landed in New York and discovered why. The cost of living is 3x London."
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
But the policing still needs explanation. Whether or not they were 'bussed' in is a technicality.
The police placed a line of officers between two opposed demonstrations. Is that not just normal policing? The Essex Police statement seems reasonable to me: they say they have a legal duty t facilitate legal protest by both sides.
I don't see "bussed in" as a "technicality". Farage and Anderson have used their fabrication to build a narrative of police bias, to the extent that someone has been demanding that "heads must roll".
If you have a read of the Facebook Page I linked "Active Patriot" run by Alan Leggett (Tommy Robinson acolyte), you can see it bleeding through in places in comments.
My political comment is that Farage, Anderson and so on are trying to exploit the far right animated street politics, whilst trying to maintain a distance from it for political marketing reasons.
I don't know why there is speculation about what happened as you can watch it in real time on YouTube (if you hold your nose and don't care about your algorithm). The counter protestors turned up en masse at Epping station. The police marched them in a column to within a few feet of the anti immigration protesters. Things rapidly got lary so the police thought better of it and escorted them away on foot. They stupidly walked the counter protestors into a cul de sac and got trapped. After a bit of farce trying to flag down some police vans the plod then bundles the counter protestors into police mini vans (not the normal ones they put criminals in) and drove them back to the train station. Make of all that what you will but that's what actually happened.
Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
The populist right lie. That's their modus operandi. It's not an accident; it's central to how they operate. We've seen this with the MAGA movement in the US. Trump (who Farage and Yusuf adore) lies constantly. He is completely post-truth: he just says whatever he wants to be true.
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I was wondering why he and Starmer get on so well.
@isam I can’t give you personal and relevant advice as my divorce was amicable (and unique)
I can say from observing the world - do your very very best to keep lawyers out of it. As soon as they are involved it gets ten times worse and twenty times more expensive
Is anyone here qualified to give advice on how partners who split up divide assets?
This is going to sound trite, and I don't mean it to, but have you considered asking ChatGPT? It's excellent at giving you Citizens Advice Bureau type answers
Is anyone here qualified to give advice on how partners who split up divide assets?
This is going to sound trite, and I don't mean it to, but have you considered asking ChatGPT? It's excellent at giving you Citizens Advice Bureau type answers
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Or will they spend the next four years kicking seven shades of shite out of each other?
It always amuses me, how NW1 has ascended the social ladder
At late as the 1960s, Primrose Hill was known as "soot city" because of all the fumes and grime from the steam trains running right alongside it. Property was, for this reason, dirt cheap, which is why penniless poets like Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes could live (and die) here
Ironically, it is the same isolation enforced by the railway tracks and associated roads (and some parks) which now makes Primrose Hill a weird isolated enclave of beauty, and thus so desirable
I cannot honestly think of a nicer place to live, in any major city, anywhere in the world
According to people who were present (shopkeepers opposite the church).
- Several hundred people present (say ~500).
- Police presence three riots vans and a car.
- Noisy but peaceful.
- Small counter-presence from Stand Up to Racism (they are approximately the SWAPPIES).
- There was a march "from the ASDA car park to Sutton Lawn". That is the park where there was an alleged rape for which an alleged (says Lee Anderson most loudly) asylum seeker is in custody until August 19. Clearly some have driven in
- The only people I see reporting "asylum seeker" are Lee Anderson, and GB News. The police have not said so, but Lee Anderson has had a private conversation with them, so I cannot do more than place a question mark.
- Demo probably limited to 2hrs out and back as that is the free parking limit at ASDA.
The most interesting place to have been would have been at the ASDA car park to see how many had driven not walked.
It was clearly organised - police presence, counter-demo. But I have not yet spotted the networks used. Often these are via Discord or Telegram, at least in part. OK checking - announcements online in several places.
La-la-la-la life goes on.
https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/maritime-history/library-archive/macclesfield-bridge-disaster
(My friend lives in the area to the west of the tracks and we happily explore thereabouts, very much aware of the history.
If I had a time machine the first thing I would do is go back and buy six houses in Primrose Hill for three quid each. Fuck all that "Hitler as a baby" shit
Priorities
Ultimately without PR if you want to govern you're going to have to replace the traditional parties somewhere along the line, so you just need to suck up those instances when you're popular enough to harm your ""wing" but not popular enough to make much major ground in your own party's terms.
Edit: specifically, this cabbage farm:
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/old-new-london/vol5/pp1-14
The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.
There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
My friend lives in what was once classic Rachman terrain. Now ...
I had a wander down at 7pm to chat to a few people.
There's a report in a separate comment.
https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/sutton-ashfield-protest-live-updates-10376188
"The local authorities know that these costs are ultimately unsustainable. SEND taxis, adult social care, and the various other statutory obligations substantially exceed the taxes they are able to levy. But it is illegal for them not to provide those services, so they go on doing so; borrowing for as long as they are able to, in the knowledge that at some point, they will go bust — as some already have and dozens more are projected to in the coming few years. If a private company were to do this, it would be considered trading while insolvent and it would be illegal — but for the local authority, it would be illegal for them not to."
London is like a box of chocolates. All sizes, ages and colours. Enjoying themselves together ❤️. Magic
The entire British Establishment, from politicians to police, needs to be swept away, and put on trial, and - if convicted - jailed for many years
@POTUS
in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."
https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1948834127803023554
Can we have POTUS as Prime Minister, please?
I get that he's quite controversial in America, for whatever reasons, but he's a trillion times better than what we have over here
Zia Yusuf
@ZiaYusufUK
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Trump says stop the invasion and stop the windmills.
Sound familiar?
https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/1948840596078297360
The narrative they are trying to build is "local people". I'm not in a position to judge what the local / travelling in mix is.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61557112952729
This one is called "Active Patriot", has 35k followers, and is run a man called Alan Leggett, who is an associate of Tommy Robinson / Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. His bag is to visit asylum hotels or facilities, make films (at least 60) and post them to social media. He has had a more than one suspended sentence or other punishment, and is under a 15 year restraint order. He has been going since at least 2020.
Hope not Hate profile:
https://hopenothate.org.uk/case-files-alan-leggett/
Will no one think of the children?
Unfortunately - because I am sane - I no longer believe a single thing the government says to me, because they are the worst kind of liars. The British police merely do their bidding
So yes, from the visual evidence I've seen I do believe something slightly "odd" is going on with the police so assiduously bussing in tiny groups of leftist wankers to enrage these local protests. Then carefully escorting them to the place they can do maximum provocation. It reeks
My judgment errs towards the skeptical. I wish this wasn't the case. But what are we meant to think, following the revelation of the Afghan lies? What else are they lying about, and lying about lying about? Even as they jail those that dare to suggest they are lying?
*I now understand that "twat" is acceptable, given that I was called this by @IanB2 ealier on, without any punishment. Thanks
https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291
Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:
"Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
However you can't deny people the right to peacefully demonstrate.
Oh what a drear dark close to my poor day!
How could that red sun drop in that black cloud?
Ah Pippa, morning’s rule is moved away,
Dispensed with, never more to be allowed!
Day’s turn is over, now arrives the night’s.
Oh lark, be day’s apostle
To mavis, merle and throstle,
Bid them their betters jostle
From day and its delights!
But at night, brother howlet, over the woods,
Toll the world to thy chantry;
Sing to the bats’ sleek sisterhoods
Full complines with gallantry:
Then, owls and bats,
Cowls and twats,
Monks and nuns, in a cloister’s moods,
Adjourn to the oak-stump pantry!
(1) Was the tweet deliberately misleading, to the extent of being a deliberate lie?
(2) Did the police act in an appropriate way?
There is no need at all to conflate the issues.
Reform UK can't tell the truth, because none of their promises work if you start with reality. Their big spending announcements in recent months fell apart within hours.
Now would modified AV or STV be the right way to go?
Farage is right that the police still have big questions to answer, but he's also very lucky that he largely walks on water just now.
If you think that the populists lie then you need to counter it. A chief constable who doesn't think it's for himself to comment on his own force's operation isn't helping things.
But I don't think a supporter of Keir Starmer can really expect to be taken seriously on the subject of lying. That man has lied five times before he finishes his shreddies.
I don't see "bussed in" as a "technicality". Farage and Anderson have used their fabrication to build a narrative of police bias, to the extent that someone has been demanding that "heads must roll".
If you have a read of the Facebook Page I linked "Active Patriot" run by Alan Leggett (Tommy Robinson acolyte), you can see it bleeding through in places in comments.
My political comment is that Farage, Anderson and so on are trying to exploit the far right animated street politics, whilst trying to maintain a distance from it for political marketing reasons.
I haven't (at least not today) expressed an opinion on the actions of PA and whether it was right to declare them a terrorist organisation. Yes, they caused millions of pounds worth of damage. At the same time, I think we should be careful about denying people the right to peacefully demonstrate.
If romantic, it makes a huge difference whether you are married/in a civil partnership, or not.
As someone directly affected because I live here, I have already asked the police to consider whether Anderson is in contempt of court, though I am surmising that that may need to be referred somewhere else. The "general" form on the police website is a bloody nightmare.
It is now for the relevant parties to make judgements about threshold etc.
I'm currently considering whether I should also ask them to consider something around the "stirring" nature of his communications.
On (2) are we talking Essex there on appropriate policing? I thought the DCI of Essex had commented.
There are inputs and outputs, and no one - including possibly @Leon himself - has the foggiest idea what happens inside the box.
If I think that @Leon is not being "sane", I make the charitable assumption that he has drink taken or recently up woken, make a note that it is Loon not Leon for now, and go for a walk.
Walks are very good for my mental health.
(Summons @TSE )
So if it can be done non-abusively, bite your tongue, let your partner bite his/her tongue on other things, and accept that growing apart - like growing together, is far less painful as a gradual process. Be kind.
Keep the parts of your relationship that you can preserve. "Friends who used to be lovers" is better than "Silence now and forever". The hole is smaller and less echoing.
I hope that's not too much schmaltz.
https://www.theoldie.co.uk/blog/why-i-left-crazily-expensive-america-for-britain-by-james-fletcher
"I have been a regular visitor to the United States for over 30 years. And lived there from 2016 till November 2023. In the 90s and early 2000s a visit to New York was comparable or cheaper to London. A good hotel was £200 per night. American items, CDs, electronics, and food were mostly cheaper than London. Food, taxis, and entertainment were on a par. You knew where you stood.
Then something happened in the early 2010s.
America became expensive. And I mean really expensive. A Google employee relocating from London to New York was recently thrilled with a 3x (as they call it) salary increase, until he landed in New York and discovered why. The cost of living is 3x London."
You’re bitter and old and sad, we get that. But there’s still time for you to be nicer
PB is a pub of regulars and we often open up and seek friendly wisdom from other regulars. This is a good thing. @isam is asking us as online friends
If you don’t like this discourse go find another pub, twat
I can say from observing the world - do your very very best to keep lawyers out of it. As soon as they are involved it gets ten times worse and twenty times more expensive
This isn’t always possible of course. Good luck
i) Do it amicably if you can
ii) Get a lawyer. A divorce and/or separation has legal ramifications. So you need a lawyer.
Ooh, I just think I have spied the pub bore.