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  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,086

    nunu2 said:

    nunu2 said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
    As long as it stays in England and doesn’t cross the borders to Scotland and Wales.
    How many asylum hotels in Scotland?
    AFAIK about 20-25. About half of them in Glasgow.
    Just because someone from England is staying in a hotel in Glasgow, this doesn't mean they are claiming asylum.
    All English folk of all colours, creeds and persuasions are welcome to stay in Glasgow, especially if you have employment skills.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,321
    Leon said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    I love the way "anti-racism" is in quotes, but 'local' is not. I bet many of these racist protestors won't be local...
    Why are they "racist", per se?
    Who knows? Justifiable feelings of inadequacy?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,086
    AnneJGP said:

    ohnotnow said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Foxy said:

    stodge said:

    kle4 said:
    I'm not sure whether I agree. There is evidence SEN referrals have risen exponentially since COVID and the system for assessment and the specialist accommodation required just hasn't existed to meet the huge new demand.

    I'm not sure you can make a sweeping series of assertions about the economy and our capitalist model from this.
    Around 15% of our medical students now claim to have some form of neurodivergence, so it must be at least that in schools. I don't see this as sustainable, and it takes resources away from the much smaller minority with major issues.

    Rather than SEN transport, perhaps we need a return to special schools.
    If neurodivergence is increasing, at some point it will become the norm, so education methods will need to adjust and the people we have traditionally labelled 'normal' will have the special needs.
    I faintly hope this also applies to BMI. Then those weird 'thinnos' will be force-fed cake and buttered cheese scones.
    The scones should have jam and cream on them. 1 Devon style and 1 Cornwall style for comparison.
    Not on cheese scones. Yuk.
    The best scones I have ever tasted were blueberry and lemon, from the National Trust Book of Scones.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,184
    Is there any kind of agreement between the Jezza/Sultana vehicle and Galloway's mob?

    Or will they spend the next four years kicking seven shades of shite out of each other?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,426
    edited July 25
    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Primrose Hill looking exquisite, again, in the slant summer sun



    I’ll say it once more: just build loads of Primrose Hills all over the country. Get tae fuck with these red brick semi asphalt Barratt home Leicester-suburb hell holes

    Given PB, someone will be along in a minute to list all the crime and riots which were not prevented by the existence of Georgian London.
    Along that same canal arrived the Peaky Blinders.
    Very true!

    It always amuses me, how NW1 has ascended the social ladder

    At late as the 1960s, Primrose Hill was known as "soot city" because of all the fumes and grime from the steam trains running right alongside it. Property was, for this reason, dirt cheap, which is why penniless poets like Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes could live (and die) here

    Ironically, it is the same isolation enforced by the railway tracks and associated roads (and some parks) which now makes Primrose Hill a weird isolated enclave of beauty, and thus so desirable

    I cannot honestly think of a nicer place to live, in any major city, anywhere in the world
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,548
    edited July 25
    Ashfield demo sitrep.

    According to people who were present (shopkeepers opposite the church).

    - Several hundred people present (say ~500).
    - Police presence three riots vans and a car.
    - Noisy but peaceful.
    - Small counter-presence from Stand Up to Racism (they are approximately the SWAPPIES).
    - There was a march "from the ASDA car park to Sutton Lawn". That is the park where there was an alleged rape for which an alleged (says Lee Anderson most loudly) asylum seeker is in custody until August 19. Clearly some have driven in :smile: .
    - The only people I see reporting "asylum seeker" are Lee Anderson, and GB News. The police have not said so, but Lee Anderson has had a private conversation with them, so I cannot do more than place a question mark.
    - Demo probably limited to 2hrs out and back as that is the free parking limit at ASDA.

    The most interesting place to have been would have been at the ASDA car park to see how many had driven not walked.

    It was clearly organised - police presence, counter-demo. But I have not yet spotted the networks used. Often these are via Discord or Telegram, at least in part. OK checking - announcements online in several places.

    La-la-la-la life goes on.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,435
    ohnotnow said:

    nunu2 said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
    As long as it stays in England and doesn’t cross the borders to Scotland and Wales.
    Possibly too late. The is a UKIP (yes) backed “mass deportation” rally in Glasgow tomorrow. Hopefully not well attended. But it's creeping up on us all the same.
    Rangers not playing so above average number of racist rsoles at a loose end.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,184

    nunu2 said:

    nunu2 said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
    As long as it stays in England and doesn’t cross the borders to Scotland and Wales.
    How many asylum hotels in Scotland?
    AFAIK about 20-25. About half of them in Glasgow.
    Just because someone from England is staying in a hotel in Glasgow, this doesn't mean they are claiming asylum.
    All English folk of all colours, creeds and persuasions are welcome to stay in Glasgow, especially if you have employment skills.
    I'll be there in a couple of weeks time for work. Looking forward to it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,426
    MattW said:

    nunu2 said:

    Chris said:



    nunu2 said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
    You wish.
    No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.

    Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.

    This is only growing.
    There are no asylum hotels in Ashfield AFAIK. The nearest I am aware of was one in Mansfield which closed a year ago.

    Do you have a link to such a report?

    (Though obvs the mouth breathers are thick enough that they would believe it and turn up to holler if someone on social media said so.)

    It might not be an asylum hotel, it might be the new thing of "asylum housing", esp "Housing of Multiple Occupancy", by which nominal legerdemain Labour are hoping to defuse the boats row. They will fail
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,184

    AnneJGP said:

    ohnotnow said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Foxy said:

    stodge said:

    kle4 said:
    I'm not sure whether I agree. There is evidence SEN referrals have risen exponentially since COVID and the system for assessment and the specialist accommodation required just hasn't existed to meet the huge new demand.

    I'm not sure you can make a sweeping series of assertions about the economy and our capitalist model from this.
    Around 15% of our medical students now claim to have some form of neurodivergence, so it must be at least that in schools. I don't see this as sustainable, and it takes resources away from the much smaller minority with major issues.

    Rather than SEN transport, perhaps we need a return to special schools.
    If neurodivergence is increasing, at some point it will become the norm, so education methods will need to adjust and the people we have traditionally labelled 'normal' will have the special needs.
    I faintly hope this also applies to BMI. Then those weird 'thinnos' will be force-fed cake and buttered cheese scones.
    The scones should have jam and cream on them. 1 Devon style and 1 Cornwall style for comparison.
    Not on cheese scones. Yuk.
    The best scones I have ever tasted were blueberry and lemon, from the National Trust Book of Scones.
    My first job involved making scones. For quality control purposes I had to eat quite a lot of them. Tesco oat bran and cherry were my favourites.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,426
    Dopermean said:

    Leon said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    I love the way "anti-racism" is in quotes, but 'local' is not. I bet many of these racist protestors won't be local...
    Why are they "racist", per se?
    Who knows? Justifiable feelings of inadequacy?
    Bit harsh on @JosiasJessop, but I see your point
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,672
    edited July 25
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Primrose Hill looking exquisite, again, in the slant summer sun



    I’ll say it once more: just build loads of Primrose Hills all over the country. Get tae fuck with these red brick semi asphalt Barratt home Leicester-suburb hell holes

    Given PB, someone will be along in a minute to list all the crime and riots which were not prevented by the existence of Georgian London.
    Along that same canal arrived the Peaky Blinders.
    Very true!

    It always amuses me, how NW1 has ascended the social ladder

    At late as the 1960s, Primrose Hill was known as "soot city" because of all the fumes and grime from the steam trains running right alongside it. Property was, for this reason, dirt cheap, which is why penniless poets like Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes could live (and die) here

    Ironically, it is now the isolation enforced by the railway tracks and associated roads which now make Primrose Hill a weird isolated enclave of beauty, and thus so desirable

    I cannot honestly think of a nicer place to live, in any major city, anywhere in the world
    Yet at one time the Canal was an infested strip, at least once punctuated by massive explosions from gunpowder barges. Happily the Zoo was not too bady affected, but 'The elands and antelopes, the giraffes, the elephants, and a rhinoceros, showed great excitement.’

    https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/maritime-history/library-archive/macclesfield-bridge-disaster

    (My friend lives in the area to the west of the tracks and we happily explore thereabouts, very much aware of the history.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,426
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Primrose Hill looking exquisite, again, in the slant summer sun



    I’ll say it once more: just build loads of Primrose Hills all over the country. Get tae fuck with these red brick semi asphalt Barratt home Leicester-suburb hell holes

    Given PB, someone will be along in a minute to list all the crime and riots which were not prevented by the existence of Georgian London.
    Along that same canal arrived the Peaky Blinders.
    Very true!

    It always amuses me, how NW1 has ascended the social ladder

    At late as the 1960s, Primrose Hill was known as "soot city" because of all the fumes and grime from the steam trains running right alongside it. Property was, for this reason, dirt cheap, which is why penniless poets like Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes could live (and die) here

    Ironically, it is now the isolation enforced by the railway tracks and associated roads which now make Primrose Hill a weird isolated enclave of beauty, and thus so desirable

    I cannot honestly think of a nicer place to live, in any major city, anywhere in the world
    Yet at one time the Canal was an infested strip, at least o epunctuated by massive explosions from gunpowder barges. Happily the Zoo was not too bady affected, but 'The elands and antelopes, the giraffes, the elephants, and a rhinoceros, showed great excitement.’

    https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/maritime-history/library-archive/macclesfield-bridge-disaster
    Well, yes, that's my point

    If I had a time machine the first thing I would do is go back and buy six houses in Primrose Hill for three quid each. Fuck all that "Hitler as a baby" shit

    Priorities
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,184
    MattW said:

    Ashfield demo sitrep.

    According to people who were present (shopkeepers opposite the church).

    - Several hundred people present (say ~500).
    - Police presence three riots vans and a car.
    - Noisy but peaceful.
    - Small counter-presence from Stand Up to Racism (they are approximately the SWAPPIES).
    - There was a march "from the ASDA car park to Sutton Lawn". That is the park where there was an alleged rape for which an alleged (says Lee Anderson most loudly) asylum seeker is in custody until August 19. Clearly some have driven in :smile: .
    - The only people I see reporting "asylum seeker" are Lee Anderson, and GB News. The police have not said so, but Lee Anderson has had a private conversation with them, so I cannot do more than place a question mark.
    - Demo probably limited to 2hrs out and back as that is the free parking limit at ASDA.

    The most interesting place to have been would have been at the ASDA car park to see how many had driven not walked.

    It was clearly organised - police presence, counter-demo. But I have not yet spotted the networks used. Often these are via Discord or Telegram, at least in part. OK checking - announcements online in several places.

    La-la-la-la life goes on.

    Let me know when the demos start from Booths or Waitrose and I might be interested.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,063
    edited July 25
    Reform didn't really care when they were splitting the right vote and handing Labour the advantage, or certainly they stopped caring so much when the prospect of usurping the Conservatives became a realistic possibility. The same will be true, or should be true, of the Corbyn vehicle.

    Ultimately without PR if you want to govern you're going to have to replace the traditional parties somewhere along the line, so you just need to suck up those instances when you're popular enough to harm your ""wing" but not popular enough to make much major ground in your own party's terms.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,426
    edited July 25
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Primrose Hill looking exquisite, again, in the slant summer sun



    I’ll say it once more: just build loads of Primrose Hills all over the country. Get tae fuck with these red brick semi asphalt Barratt home Leicester-suburb hell holes

    Given PB, someone will be along in a minute to list all the crime and riots which were not prevented by the existence of Georgian London.
    Along that same canal arrived the Peaky Blinders.
    Very true!

    It always amuses me, how NW1 has ascended the social ladder

    At late as the 1960s, Primrose Hill was known as "soot city" because of all the fumes and grime from the steam trains running right alongside it. Property was, for this reason, dirt cheap, which is why penniless poets like Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes could live (and die) here

    Ironically, it is now the isolation enforced by the railway tracks and associated roads which now make Primrose Hill a weird isolated enclave of beauty, and thus so desirable

    I cannot honestly think of a nicer place to live, in any major city, anywhere in the world
    Yet at one time the Canal was an infested strip, at least o epunctuated by massive explosions from gunpowder barges. Happily the Zoo was not too bady affected, but 'The elands and antelopes, the giraffes, the elephants, and a rhinoceros, showed great excitement.’

    https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/maritime-history/library-archive/macclesfield-bridge-disaster
    Well, yes, that's my point

    If I had a time machine the first thing I would do is go back and buy six houses in Primrose Hill for three quid each. Fuck all that "Hitler as a baby" shit

    Priorities
    Personally I’d buy a small cabbage farm to the west of London

    Edit: specifically, this cabbage farm:

    https://www.british-history.ac.uk/old-new-london/vol5/pp1-14
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 427
    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,522
    MattW said:

    nunu2 said:

    Chris said:



    nunu2 said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
    You wish.
    No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.

    Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.

    This is only growing.
    There are no asylum hotels in Ashfield AFAIK. The nearest I am aware of was one in Mansfield which closed a year ago.

    Do you have a link to such a report?

    (Though obvs the mouth breathers are thick enough that they would believe it and turn up to holler if someone on social media said so.)

    It's sutton-in-Ashfield
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,772

    AnneJGP said:

    ohnotnow said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Foxy said:

    stodge said:

    kle4 said:
    I'm not sure whether I agree. There is evidence SEN referrals have risen exponentially since COVID and the system for assessment and the specialist accommodation required just hasn't existed to meet the huge new demand.

    I'm not sure you can make a sweeping series of assertions about the economy and our capitalist model from this.
    Around 15% of our medical students now claim to have some form of neurodivergence, so it must be at least that in schools. I don't see this as sustainable, and it takes resources away from the much smaller minority with major issues.

    Rather than SEN transport, perhaps we need a return to special schools.
    If neurodivergence is increasing, at some point it will become the norm, so education methods will need to adjust and the people we have traditionally labelled 'normal' will have the special needs.
    I faintly hope this also applies to BMI. Then those weird 'thinnos' will be force-fed cake and buttered cheese scones.
    The scones should have jam and cream on them. 1 Devon style and 1 Cornwall style for comparison.
    Not on cheese scones. Yuk.
    The best scones I have ever tasted were blueberry and lemon, from the National Trust Book of Scones.
    My first job involved making scones. For quality control purposes I had to eat quite a lot of them. Tesco oat bran and cherry were my favourites.
    I only like fresh scones. After about 2-3 hours the texture changes from dough-like to cake-like, which isn't to my taste.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,672
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Primrose Hill looking exquisite, again, in the slant summer sun



    I’ll say it once more: just build loads of Primrose Hills all over the country. Get tae fuck with these red brick semi asphalt Barratt home Leicester-suburb hell holes

    Given PB, someone will be along in a minute to list all the crime and riots which were not prevented by the existence of Georgian London.
    Along that same canal arrived the Peaky Blinders.
    Very true!

    It always amuses me, how NW1 has ascended the social ladder

    At late as the 1960s, Primrose Hill was known as "soot city" because of all the fumes and grime from the steam trains running right alongside it. Property was, for this reason, dirt cheap, which is why penniless poets like Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes could live (and die) here

    Ironically, it is now the isolation enforced by the railway tracks and associated roads which now make Primrose Hill a weird isolated enclave of beauty, and thus so desirable

    I cannot honestly think of a nicer place to live, in any major city, anywhere in the world
    Yet at one time the Canal was an infested strip, at least o epunctuated by massive explosions from gunpowder barges. Happily the Zoo was not too bady affected, but 'The elands and antelopes, the giraffes, the elephants, and a rhinoceros, showed great excitement.’

    https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/maritime-history/library-archive/macclesfield-bridge-disaster
    Well, yes, that's my point

    If I had a time machine the first thing I would do is go back and buy six houses in Primrose Hill for three quid each. Fuck all that "Hitler as a baby" shit

    Priorities
    Oh, I wasn't disagreeing: far from it. The 'Yet' was grammatically referent to the present tense applying to your last sentence.

    My friend lives in what was once classic Rachman terrain. Now ...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,548
    nunu2 said:

    MattW said:

    nunu2 said:

    Chris said:



    nunu2 said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
    You wish.
    No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.

    Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.

    This is only growing.
    There are no asylum hotels in Ashfield AFAIK. The nearest I am aware of was one in Mansfield which closed a year ago.

    Do you have a link to such a report?

    (Though obvs the mouth breathers are thick enough that they would believe it and turn up to holler if someone on social media said so.)

    It's sutton-in-Ashfield
    Yes - it's about 1-2 miles from where I live.

    I had a wander down at 7pm to chat to a few people.

    There's a report in a separate comment.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 427
    Foxy said:

    nunu2 said:

    Chris said:



    nunu2 said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
    You wish.
    No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.

    Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.

    This is only growing.
    It is hard to believe that people can look back at last years race riots and think "let's do that again".

    You understand the difference between protest and violence right?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    Eabhal said:

    Online safety act petition reaches 100,000. It's like blocking access to food.

    Dundee, Edinburgh North and Westminster have the greatest number of.... ahem.

    Why are people signing it? Obviously because they agree with it, but I mean more than that.
  • vinovino Posts: 183
    MattW said:

    nunu2 said:

    MattW said:

    nunu2 said:

    Chris said:



    nunu2 said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
    You wish.
    No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.

    Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.

    This is only growing.
    There are no asylum hotels in Ashfield AFAIK. The nearest I am aware of was one in Mansfield which closed a year ago.

    Do you have a link to such a report?

    (Though obvs the mouth breathers are thick enough that they would believe it and turn up to holler if someone on social media said so.)

    It's sutton-in-Ashfield
    Yes - it's about 1-2 miles from where I live.

    I had a wander down at 7pm to chat to a few people.

    There's a report in a separate comment.
    Nottinghamshire Live have been reporting
    https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/sutton-ashfield-protest-live-updates-10376188
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,086
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Primrose Hill looking exquisite, again, in the slant summer sun



    I’ll say it once more: just build loads of Primrose Hills all over the country. Get tae fuck with these red brick semi asphalt Barratt home Leicester-suburb hell holes

    Given PB, someone will be along in a minute to list all the crime and riots which were not prevented by the existence of Georgian London.
    Along that same canal arrived the Peaky Blinders.
    Very true!

    It always amuses me, how NW1 has ascended the social ladder

    At late as the 1960s, Primrose Hill was known as "soot city" because of all the fumes and grime from the steam trains running right alongside it. Property was, for this reason, dirt cheap, which is why penniless poets like Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes could live (and die) here

    Ironically, it is now the isolation enforced by the railway tracks and associated roads which now make Primrose Hill a weird isolated enclave of beauty, and thus so desirable

    I cannot honestly think of a nicer place to live, in any major city, anywhere in the world
    Yet at one time the Canal was an infested strip, at least o epunctuated by massive explosions from gunpowder barges. Happily the Zoo was not too bady affected, but 'The elands and antelopes, the giraffes, the elephants, and a rhinoceros, showed great excitement.’

    https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/maritime-history/library-archive/macclesfield-bridge-disaster
    Well, yes, that's my point

    If I had a time machine the first thing I would do is go back and buy six houses in Primrose Hill for three quid each. Fuck all that "Hitler as a baby" shit

    Priorities
    So would I, except I would be concerned about who my neighbour might be,
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,086
    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    ohnotnow said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Foxy said:

    stodge said:

    kle4 said:
    I'm not sure whether I agree. There is evidence SEN referrals have risen exponentially since COVID and the system for assessment and the specialist accommodation required just hasn't existed to meet the huge new demand.

    I'm not sure you can make a sweeping series of assertions about the economy and our capitalist model from this.
    Around 15% of our medical students now claim to have some form of neurodivergence, so it must be at least that in schools. I don't see this as sustainable, and it takes resources away from the much smaller minority with major issues.

    Rather than SEN transport, perhaps we need a return to special schools.
    If neurodivergence is increasing, at some point it will become the norm, so education methods will need to adjust and the people we have traditionally labelled 'normal' will have the special needs.
    I faintly hope this also applies to BMI. Then those weird 'thinnos' will be force-fed cake and buttered cheese scones.
    The scones should have jam and cream on them. 1 Devon style and 1 Cornwall style for comparison.
    Not on cheese scones. Yuk.
    The best scones I have ever tasted were blueberry and lemon, from the National Trust Book of Scones.
    My first job involved making scones. For quality control purposes I had to eat quite a lot of them. Tesco oat bran and cherry were my favourites.
    I only like fresh scones. After about 2-3 hours the texture changes from dough-like to cake-like, which isn't to my taste.
    Best when still warm. Keep the Gaviscon handy, though.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    kle4 said:
    Quote

    "The local authorities know that these costs are ultimately unsustainable. SEND taxis, adult social care, and the various other statutory obligations substantially exceed the taxes they are able to levy. But it is illegal for them not to provide those services, so they go on doing so; borrowing for as long as they are able to, in the knowledge that at some point, they will go bust — as some already have and dozens more are projected to in the coming few years. If a private company were to do this, it would be considered trading while insolvent and it would be illegal — but for the local authority, it would be illegal for them not to."
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,231
    I've just been to the Palladium to see Rachel Zegler singing Don't Cry for me Argentina from the outside balcony. A warm sunny evening. A massive crowd. Everyone smiling and clapping.
    London is like a box of chocolates. All sizes, ages and colours. Enjoying themselves together ❤️. Magic

  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,426

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    That is, I believe, quite probably what the police are doing. Trying to get things to kick off, so Skyr Toolmakersson can wade in and do another "Southports Riots situation"

    The entire British Establishment, from politicians to police, needs to be swept away, and put on trial, and - if convicted - jailed for many years
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,426
    The DONALD has landed in Scotland

    @POTUS
    in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1948834127803023554

    Can we have POTUS as Prime Minister, please?

    I get that he's quite controversial in America, for whatever reasons, but he's a trillion times better than what we have over here
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,010
    Leaders of Reform all over their bestie Trump once again. Voters need to know this.



    Zia Yusuf

    @ZiaYusufUK
    ·
    14m
    Trump says stop the invasion and stop the windmills.

    Sound familiar?

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/1948840596078297360
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 427
    edited July 25
    Leon said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    That is, I believe, quite probably what the police are doing. Trying to get things to kick off, so Skyr Toolmakersson can wade in and do another "Southports Riots situation"

    The entire British Establishment, from politicians to police, needs to be swept away, and put on trial, and - if convicted - jailed for many years
    You really believe it? I'm prepared to entertain most ideas nowadays but that's going a bit far. Anyway the establishment need to nip these conspiracies in the bud. Think of all the efforts they make to retain the confidence of the community when it comes to any minority group. It's clearly being lost among the WWC.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,548
    edited July 25
    This is the type of Facebook Page where these demos are being promoted. There's a vid of the Ashfield one on this one - 200+ comments.

    The narrative they are trying to build is "local people". I'm not in a position to judge what the local / travelling in mix is.

    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61557112952729

    This one is called "Active Patriot", has 35k followers, and is run a man called Alan Leggett, who is an associate of Tommy Robinson / Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. His bag is to visit asylum hotels or facilities, make films (at least 60) and post them to social media. He has had a more than one suspended sentence or other punishment, and is under a 15 year restraint order. He has been going since at least 2020.

    Hope not Hate profile:
    https://hopenothate.org.uk/case-files-alan-leggett/
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,272

    OT - I supect the new party would take either winning a lot of councillors or costing Labour more with equal pleasure. They don't expect to win an election they want to force Lab back to the left. They can certainly do damage in London and urban areas - at least they can if they can come to an arrangement with the Greens (which is easier said than done),

    Sky report there are 200 councillors already signed up to the new party. That would be a quarter of what the Greens or Reform UK have.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,272

    Is there any kind of agreement between the Jezza/Sultana vehicle and Galloway's mob?

    Or will they spend the next four years kicking seven shades of shite out of each other?

    No, but Galloway has said vaguely supportive things about the new party.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,256
    The Times are reporting that West Ham footballer Lucas Paqueta is going to get off his betting charges
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,572

    FF43 said:

    JD Vance:


    ... it's bogus for the WSJ to publish a hit piece without showing us the letter.

    I have no idea if the book exists--WSJ won't show it to us. I have no idea if the letter exists--WSJ won't show it to us. What I find absurd is the idea that Donald Trump was writing poems to Epstein, and I find it equally absurd that a major American paper would attack the President of the United States without revealing the basis for the attack


    Vance is transparently urging the WSJ to publish the smoking gun. If it does, Trump is destroyed to the possible benefit of Vance; if it doesn't, he can say, told you so.

    Can presidents get rid of their VPs?

    https://x.com/JDVance/status/1948563653440991355

    Nope - there is no mechanism for firing a VP.

    You can impeach them, but that has never worked - 2/3rd of Congress required.

    The ghost of Spiro Agnew begs to differ.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,296

    Leaders of Reform all over their bestie Trump once again. Voters need to know this.



    Zia Yusuf

    @ZiaYusufUK
    ·
    14m
    Trump says stop the invasion and stop the windmills.

    Sound familiar?

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/1948840596078297360

    Protect us from these foreigner friends of paedos!

    Will no one think of the children?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,794

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,272

    Foxy said:

    nunu2 said:

    Chris said:



    nunu2 said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
    You wish.
    No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.

    Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.

    This is only growing.
    It is hard to believe that people can look back at last years race riots and think "let's do that again".

    You understand the difference between protest and violence right?
    Do UKIP, the Homeland Party and Tommy Robinson's supporters understand that?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,922
    isam said:

    The Times are reporting that West Ham footballer Lucas Paqueta is going to get off his betting charges

    Getting a yellow card instead of red?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,426
    edited July 25

    Leon said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    That is, I believe, quite probably what the police are doing. Trying to get things to kick off, so Skyr Toolmakersson can wade in and do another "Southports Riots situation"

    The entire British Establishment, from politicians to police, needs to be swept away, and put on trial, and - if convicted - jailed for many years
    You really believe it? I'm prepared to entertain most ideas nowadays but that's going a bit far. Anyway the establishment need to nip these conspiracies in the bud. Think of all the efforts they make to retain the confidence of the community when it comes to any minority group. It's clearly being lost among the WWC.
    The government lied to us for two years about importing seventy trillion Afghans. They lied to us then lied about lying and then tried to jail anyone that even mentioned the subject related to the lying, let alone the actual lies

    Unfortunately - because I am sane - I no longer believe a single thing the government says to me, because they are the worst kind of liars. The British police merely do their bidding

    So yes, from the visual evidence I've seen I do believe something slightly "odd" is going on with the police so assiduously bussing in tiny groups of leftist wankers to enrage these local protests. Then carefully escorting them to the place they can do maximum provocation. It reeks

    My judgment errs towards the skeptical. I wish this wasn't the case. But what are we meant to think, following the revelation of the Afghan lies? What else are they lying about, and lying about lying about? Even as they jail those that dare to suggest they are lying?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,794

    ohnotnow said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Foxy said:

    stodge said:

    kle4 said:
    I'm not sure whether I agree. There is evidence SEN referrals have risen exponentially since COVID and the system for assessment and the specialist accommodation required just hasn't existed to meet the huge new demand.

    I'm not sure you can make a sweeping series of assertions about the economy and our capitalist model from this.
    Around 15% of our medical students now claim to have some form of neurodivergence, so it must be at least that in schools. I don't see this as sustainable, and it takes resources away from the much smaller minority with major issues.

    Rather than SEN transport, perhaps we need a return to special schools.
    If neurodivergence is increasing, at some point it will become the norm, so education methods will need to adjust and the people we have traditionally labelled 'normal' will have the special needs.
    I faintly hope this also applies to BMI. Then those weird 'thinnos' will be force-fed cake and buttered cheese scones.
    The scones should have jam and cream on them. 1 Devon style and 1 Cornwall style for comparison.
    I asked ChatGPT, and it was very clear in its opinion that Devon style is the way to go.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,572
    Leon said:

    The DONALD has landed in Scotland

    @POTUS
    in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1948834127803023554

    Can we have POTUS as Prime Minister, please?

    I get that he's quite controversial in America, for whatever reasons, but he's a trillion times better than what we have over here

    With all due respect, don't be a complete arse.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,548
    vino said:

    MattW said:

    nunu2 said:

    MattW said:

    nunu2 said:

    Chris said:



    nunu2 said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
    You wish.
    No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.

    Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.

    This is only growing.
    There are no asylum hotels in Ashfield AFAIK. The nearest I am aware of was one in Mansfield which closed a year ago.

    Do you have a link to such a report?

    (Though obvs the mouth breathers are thick enough that they would believe it and turn up to holler if someone on social media said so.)

    It's sutton-in-Ashfield
    Yes - it's about 1-2 miles from where I live.

    I had a wander down at 7pm to chat to a few people.

    There's a report in a separate comment.
    Nottinghamshire Live have been reporting
    https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/sutton-ashfield-protest-live-updates-10376188
    Good reporting.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,426
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The DONALD has landed in Scotland

    @POTUS
    in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1948834127803023554

    Can we have POTUS as Prime Minister, please?

    I get that he's quite controversial in America, for whatever reasons, but he's a trillion times better than what we have over here

    With all due respect, don't be a complete arse.
    With all due respect, go jump in a pond, twat*

    *I now understand that "twat" is acceptable, given that I was called this by @IanB2 ealier on, without any punishment. Thanks
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,010
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The DONALD has landed in Scotland

    @POTUS
    in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1948834127803023554

    Can we have POTUS as Prime Minister, please?

    I get that he's quite controversial in America, for whatever reasons, but he's a trillion times better than what we have over here

    With all due respect, don't be a complete arse.
    Yeh, ridiculous, everyone knows he is due to be Pope next.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,438
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    That is, I believe, quite probably what the police are doing. Trying to get things to kick off, so Skyr Toolmakersson can wade in and do another "Southports Riots situation"

    The entire British Establishment, from politicians to police, needs to be swept away, and put on trial, and - if convicted - jailed for many years
    You really believe it? I'm prepared to entertain most ideas nowadays but that's going a bit far. Anyway the establishment need to nip these conspiracies in the bud. Think of all the efforts they make to retain the confidence of the community when it comes to any minority group. It's clearly being lost among the WWC.
    The government lied to us for two years about importing seventy trillion Afghans. They lied to us then lied about lying and then tried to jail anyone that even mentioned the subject related to the lying, let alone the actual lies

    Unfortunately - because I am sane
    When you say 'I am sane', which of your personalities are you referring to?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,438
    edited July 25

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The DONALD has landed in Scotland

    @POTUS
    in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1948834127803023554

    Can we have POTUS as Prime Minister, please?

    I get that he's quite controversial in America, for whatever reasons, but he's a trillion times better than what we have over here

    With all due respect, don't be a complete arse.
    Yeh, ridiculous, everyone knows he is due to be Pope next.
    He's surely too fat to be a Test number 3.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,548
    rcs1000 said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
    That was what Farage said:
    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291

    Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:

    "Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 427

    Foxy said:

    nunu2 said:

    Chris said:



    nunu2 said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
    You wish.
    No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.

    Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.

    This is only growing.
    It is hard to believe that people can look back at last years race riots and think "let's do that again".

    You understand the difference between protest and violence right?
    Do UKIP, the Homeland Party and Tommy Robinson's supporters understand that?
    I suppose we're going to find out.........

    However you can't deny people the right to peacefully demonstrate.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 427
    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
    That was what Farage said:
    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291

    Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:

    "Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
    But the policing still needs explanation. Whether or not they were 'bussed' in is a technicality.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,438
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The DONALD has landed in Scotland

    @POTUS
    in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1948834127803023554

    Can we have POTUS as Prime Minister, please?

    I get that he's quite controversial in America, for whatever reasons, but he's a trillion times better than what we have over here

    With all due respect, don't be a complete arse.
    With all due respect, go jump in a pond, twat*

    *I now understand that "twat" is acceptable, given that I was called this by @IanB2 ealier on, without any punishment. Thanks
    Well, it was used in a poem by the great Robert Browning.

    Oh what a drear dark close to my poor day!
    How could that red sun drop in that black cloud?
    Ah Pippa, morning’s rule is moved away,
    Dispensed with, never more to be allowed!
    Day’s turn is over, now arrives the night’s.
    Oh lark, be day’s apostle
    To mavis, merle and throstle,
    Bid them their betters jostle
    From day and its delights!
    But at night, brother howlet, over the woods,
    Toll the world to thy chantry;
    Sing to the bats’ sleek sisterhoods
    Full complines with gallantry:
    Then, owls and bats,
    Cowls and twats,
    Monks and nuns, in a cloister’s moods,
    Adjourn to the oak-stump pantry!
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,454

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The DONALD has landed in Scotland

    @POTUS
    in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1948834127803023554

    Can we have POTUS as Prime Minister, please?

    I get that he's quite controversial in America, for whatever reasons, but he's a trillion times better than what we have over here

    With all due respect, don't be a complete arse.
    Yeh, ridiculous, everyone knows he is due to be Pope next.
    I'd rather be the next Root.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,438

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The DONALD has landed in Scotland

    @POTUS
    in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1948834127803023554

    Can we have POTUS as Prime Minister, please?

    I get that he's quite controversial in America, for whatever reasons, but he's a trillion times better than what we have over here

    With all due respect, don't be a complete arse.
    Yeh, ridiculous, everyone knows he is due to be Pope next.
    I'd rather be the next Root.
    Although either is better than being the next Zak Crawley.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,010

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The DONALD has landed in Scotland

    @POTUS
    in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1948834127803023554

    Can we have POTUS as Prime Minister, please?

    I get that he's quite controversial in America, for whatever reasons, but he's a trillion times better than what we have over here

    With all due respect, don't be a complete arse.
    Yeh, ridiculous, everyone knows he is due to be Pope next.
    I'd rather be the next Root.
    Only on PB could one post that comment and then get two or three replies immediately about the England batting order. :smiley:
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,794

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
    That was what Farage said:
    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291

    Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:

    "Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
    But the policing still needs explanation. Whether or not they were 'bussed' in is a technicality.
    There are two separate issues:

    (1) Was the tweet deliberately misleading, to the extent of being a deliberate lie?

    (2) Did the police act in an appropriate way?

    There is no need at all to conflate the issues.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,272
    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
    That was what Farage said:
    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291

    Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:

    "Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
    The populist right lie. That's their modus operandi. It's not an accident; it's central to how they operate. We've seen this with the MAGA movement in the US. Trump (who Farage and Yusuf adore) lies constantly. He is completely post-truth: he just says whatever he wants to be true.

    Reform UK can't tell the truth, because none of their promises work if you start with reality. Their big spending announcements in recent months fell apart within hours.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,885

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The DONALD has landed in Scotland

    @POTUS
    in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1948834127803023554

    Can we have POTUS as Prime Minister, please?

    I get that he's quite controversial in America, for whatever reasons, but he's a trillion times better than what we have over here

    With all due respect, don't be a complete arse.
    Yeh, ridiculous, everyone knows he is due to be Pope next.
    “Mission accomplished. Pope unfrocked. Tiara and pontifical vestments are a perfect fit.”
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,438

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The DONALD has landed in Scotland

    @POTUS
    in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1948834127803023554

    Can we have POTUS as Prime Minister, please?

    I get that he's quite controversial in America, for whatever reasons, but he's a trillion times better than what we have over here

    With all due respect, don't be a complete arse.
    Yeh, ridiculous, everyone knows he is due to be Pope next.
    “Mission accomplished. Pope unfrocked. Tiara and pontifical vestments are a perfect fit.”
    But can he keep wicket?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,885
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    That is, I believe, quite probably what the police are doing. Trying to get things to kick off, so Skyr Toolmakersson can wade in and do another "Southports Riots situation"

    The entire British Establishment, from politicians to police, needs to be swept away, and put on trial, and - if convicted - jailed for many years
    You really believe it? I'm prepared to entertain most ideas nowadays but that's going a bit far. Anyway the establishment need to nip these conspiracies in the bud. Think of all the efforts they make to retain the confidence of the community when it comes to any minority group. It's clearly being lost among the WWC.
    The government lied to us for two years about importing seventy trillion Afghans. They lied to us then lied about lying and then tried to jail anyone that even mentioned the subject related to the lying, let alone the actual lies

    Unfortunately - because I am sane
    When you say 'I am sane', which of your personalities are you referring to?
    The problem is that when you have a large number of personalities, they need to vote on each other’s sanity.

    Now would modified AV or STV be the right way to go?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,885
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The DONALD has landed in Scotland

    @POTUS
    in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1948834127803023554

    Can we have POTUS as Prime Minister, please?

    I get that he's quite controversial in America, for whatever reasons, but he's a trillion times better than what we have over here

    With all due respect, don't be a complete arse.
    Yeh, ridiculous, everyone knows he is due to be Pope next.
    “Mission accomplished. Pope unfrocked. Tiara and pontifical vestments are a perfect fit.”
    But can he keep wicket?
    Goering was certainly hard to miss.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,438

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    That is, I believe, quite probably what the police are doing. Trying to get things to kick off, so Skyr Toolmakersson can wade in and do another "Southports Riots situation"

    The entire British Establishment, from politicians to police, needs to be swept away, and put on trial, and - if convicted - jailed for many years
    You really believe it? I'm prepared to entertain most ideas nowadays but that's going a bit far. Anyway the establishment need to nip these conspiracies in the bud. Think of all the efforts they make to retain the confidence of the community when it comes to any minority group. It's clearly being lost among the WWC.
    The government lied to us for two years about importing seventy trillion Afghans. They lied to us then lied about lying and then tried to jail anyone that even mentioned the subject related to the lying, let alone the actual lies

    Unfortunately - because I am sane
    When you say 'I am sane', which of your personalities are you referring to?
    The problem is that when you have a large number of personalities, they need to vote on each other’s sanity.

    Now would modified AV or STV be the right way to go?
    Nah, FPTP, like a Pirate King election.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,178
    edited July 25

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
    That was what Farage said:
    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291

    Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:

    "Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
    But the policing still needs explanation. Whether or not they were 'bussed' in is a technicality.
    I don't think it is a mere technicality. It appears that the police did not give counter-protestors a bus to the demo. They escorted them on foot, then when things got out of hand, took them away. That's serious, and in my view reprehensible and the opposite of good policing - but it's not as gut-wrenchingly wicked as what I thought (and argued) had happened last night, so I it's important for me to concede that.

    Farage is right that the police still have big questions to answer, but he's also very lucky that he largely walks on water just now.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,272

    Foxy said:

    nunu2 said:

    Chris said:



    nunu2 said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
    You wish.
    No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.

    Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.

    This is only growing.
    It is hard to believe that people can look back at last years race riots and think "let's do that again".

    You understand the difference between protest and violence right?
    Do UKIP, the Homeland Party and Tommy Robinson's supporters understand that?
    I suppose we're going to find out.........

    However you can't deny people the right to peacefully demonstrate.
    You can if you declare them a terrorist group, as we've seen in recent weeks.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 427
    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
    That was what Farage said:
    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291

    Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:

    "Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
    But the policing still needs explanation. Whether or not they were 'bussed' in is a technicality.
    There are two separate issues:

    (1) Was the tweet deliberately misleading, to the extent of being a deliberate lie?

    (2) Did the police act in an appropriate way?

    There is no need at all to conflate the issues.
    The trouble is pb is full of people who are obsessed with 1 and completely uninterested in 2.

    If you think that the populists lie then you need to counter it. A chief constable who doesn't think it's for himself to comment on his own force's operation isn't helping things.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,572
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The DONALD has landed in Scotland

    @POTUS
    in Scotland: "On immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore ... You got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening."

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1948834127803023554

    Can we have POTUS as Prime Minister, please?

    I get that he's quite controversial in America, for whatever reasons, but he's a trillion times better than what we have over here

    With all due respect, don't be a complete arse.
    With all due respect, go jump in a pond, twat*

    *I now understand that "twat" is acceptable, given that I was called this by @IanB2 ealier on, without any punishment. Thanks
    Silly boy.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 427

    Foxy said:

    nunu2 said:

    Chris said:



    nunu2 said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
    You wish.
    No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.

    Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.

    This is only growing.
    It is hard to believe that people can look back at last years race riots and think "let's do that again".

    You understand the difference between protest and violence right?
    Do UKIP, the Homeland Party and Tommy Robinson's supporters understand that?
    I suppose we're going to find out.........

    However you can't deny people the right to peacefully demonstrate.
    You can if you declare them a terrorist group, as we've seen in recent weeks.
    Ridiculous.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,928
    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
    That was what Farage said:
    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291

    Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:

    "Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
    @leon repeated it as fact. I challenged him on it as it had been denied (I had no idea if true, but clearly it was disputed) @leon's reply was to quote the Telegraph. One's mind boggles as the gullibility of some
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,178
    edited July 25

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
    That was what Farage said:
    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291

    Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:

    "Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
    The populist right lie. That's their modus operandi. It's not an accident; it's central to how they operate. We've seen this with the MAGA movement in the US. Trump (who Farage and Yusuf adore) lies constantly. He is completely post-truth: he just says whatever he wants to be true.

    Reform UK can't tell the truth, because none of their promises work if you start with reality. Their big spending announcements in recent months fell apart within hours.
    I think there's something in the populist right saying what they believe to be true, and not being 'across the detail'. That's not just Nigel and Lee Anderson - Zia Yusuf has been caught out too.

    But I don't think a supporter of Keir Starmer can really expect to be taken seriously on the subject of lying. That man has lied five times before he finishes his shreddies.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,079

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    Then perhaps Farage's lost could hold their hate-fest somewhere else than actually at the hotel? As if that would ever happen.

  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,928

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
    That was what Farage said:
    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291

    Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:

    "Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
    But the policing still needs explanation. Whether or not they were 'bussed' in is a technicality.
    It is not a technicality. If they did bus them in that is very serious. This is denied. They claim to be bussing out vulnerable people. It is a huge difference and not a technicality.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,272
    edited July 25

    Foxy said:

    nunu2 said:

    Chris said:



    nunu2 said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
    You wish.
    No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.

    Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.

    This is only growing.
    It is hard to believe that people can look back at last years race riots and think "let's do that again".

    You understand the difference between protest and violence right?
    Do UKIP, the Homeland Party and Tommy Robinson's supporters understand that?
    I suppose we're going to find out.........

    However you can't deny people the right to peacefully demonstrate.
    You can if you declare them a terrorist group, as we've seen in recent weeks.
    Ridiculous.
    Are you saying it was ridiculous to declare Palestine Action a terrorist group? Some people do think that. Others feel that PA crossed the line into terrorism and that this sort of ban is appropriate. The Homeland Party and Robinson's supporters would appear to come close to terrorism too. The Homeland Party East Midlands organiser had guns confiscated and a gun licence refused for, among other things, sharing terrorist literature.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,272

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
    That was what Farage said:
    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291

    Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:

    "Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
    The populist right lie. That's their modus operandi. It's not an accident; it's central to how they operate. We've seen this with the MAGA movement in the US. Trump (who Farage and Yusuf adore) lies constantly. He is completely post-truth: he just says whatever he wants to be true.

    Reform UK can't tell the truth, because none of their promises work if you start with reality. Their big spending announcements in recent months fell apart within hours.
    I think there's something in the populist right saying what they believe to be true, and not being 'across the detail'. That's not just Nigel and Lee Anderson - Zia Yusuf has been caught out too.

    But I don't think a supporter of Keir Starmer can really expect to be taken seriously on the subject of lying. That man has lied five times before he finishes his shreddies.
    I wasn't aware that there were any supporters of Keir Starmer in this conversation. Who were you thinking of?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,256
    Is anyone here qualified to give advice on how partners who split up divide assets?
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 427

    Foxy said:

    nunu2 said:

    Chris said:



    nunu2 said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
    You wish.
    No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.

    Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.

    This is only growing.
    It is hard to believe that people can look back at last years race riots and think "let's do that again".

    You understand the difference between protest and violence right?
    Do UKIP, the Homeland Party and Tommy Robinson's supporters understand that?
    I suppose we're going to find out.........

    However you can't deny people the right to peacefully demonstrate.
    You can if you declare them a terrorist group, as we've seen in recent weeks.
    Ridiculous.
    Are you saying it was ridiculous to declare Palestine Action a terrorist group? Some people do think that. Others feel that PA crossed the line into terrorism and that this sort of ban is appropriate. The Homeland Party and Robinson's supporters would appear to come close to terrorism too. The Homeland Party East Midlands organiser had a gun had guns confiscated and a gun licence refused for, among other things, sharing terrorist literature.
    Are you assuming that all people who have demonstrated outside hotels are supporters of the Homeland Party or Robinson? And you are aware of the millions of pounds worth of damage done by PA? If you want to automatically cast aspersions on mothers holding signs saying they are concerned about their daughter's safety that is up to you.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,572
    isam said:

    Is anyone here qualified to give advice on how partners who split up divide assets?

    Amicably is best.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,548

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
    That was what Farage said:
    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291

    Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:

    "Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
    But the policing still needs explanation. Whether or not they were 'bussed' in is a technicality.
    The police placed a line of officers between two opposed demonstrations. Is that not just normal policing? The Essex Police statement seems reasonable to me: they say they have a legal duty t facilitate legal protest by both sides.

    I don't see "bussed in" as a "technicality". Farage and Anderson have used their fabrication to build a narrative of police bias, to the extent that someone has been demanding that "heads must roll".

    If you have a read of the Facebook Page I linked "Active Patriot" run by Alan Leggett (Tommy Robinson acolyte), you can see it bleeding through in places in comments.

    My political comment is that Farage, Anderson and so on are trying to exploit the far right animated street politics, whilst trying to maintain a distance from it for political marketing reasons.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,296
    isam said:

    Is anyone here qualified to give advice on how partners who split up divide assets?

    Get some proper counselling first.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,272

    Foxy said:

    nunu2 said:

    Chris said:



    nunu2 said:

    Local Ashfield residents and ‘anti-racism’ protesters clash outside a church as demonstrators march to demand an end to illegal migration

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/1948784888682885315

    This is a tinder box. All it will take is one false rumour or one 35c heat wave or one viscous crime and we will have chaos across England
    You wish.
    No I really don't. No one who isn't white wants this to grow But something must change.

    Reports indicate that gatherings have started outside hotels in various locations, including Leeds, Bournemouth, Ashfield, and Portsmouth.

    This is only growing.
    It is hard to believe that people can look back at last years race riots and think "let's do that again".

    You understand the difference between protest and violence right?
    Do UKIP, the Homeland Party and Tommy Robinson's supporters understand that?
    I suppose we're going to find out.........

    However you can't deny people the right to peacefully demonstrate.
    You can if you declare them a terrorist group, as we've seen in recent weeks.
    Ridiculous.
    Are you saying it was ridiculous to declare Palestine Action a terrorist group? Some people do think that. Others feel that PA crossed the line into terrorism and that this sort of ban is appropriate. The Homeland Party and Robinson's supporters would appear to come close to terrorism too. The Homeland Party East Midlands organiser had a gun had guns confiscated and a gun licence refused for, among other things, sharing terrorist literature.
    Are you assuming that all people who have demonstrated outside hotels are supporters of the Homeland Party or Robinson? And you are aware of the millions of pounds worth of damage done by PA? If you want to automatically cast aspersions on mothers holding signs saying they are concerned about their daughter's safety that is up to you.
    We know for certain that the Homeland Party, Robinson's supporters and other neo-Nazi groups have been present at and involved in organising various protests. I'm not saying everyone at those protests is like that, but some are.

    I haven't (at least not today) expressed an opinion on the actions of PA and whether it was right to declare them a terrorist organisation. Yes, they caused millions of pounds worth of damage. At the same time, I think we should be careful about denying people the right to peacefully demonstrate.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,885

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
    That was what Farage said:
    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291

    Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:

    "Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
    The populist right lie. That's their modus operandi. It's not an accident; it's central to how they operate. We've seen this with the MAGA movement in the US. Trump (who Farage and Yusuf adore) lies constantly. He is completely post-truth: he just says whatever he wants to be true.

    Reform UK can't tell the truth, because none of their promises work if you start with reality. Their big spending announcements in recent months fell apart within hours.
    I think there's something in the populist right saying what they believe to be true, and not being 'across the detail'. That's not just Nigel and Lee Anderson - Zia Yusuf has been caught out too.

    But I don't think a supporter of Keir Starmer can really expect to be taken seriously on the subject of lying. That man has lied five times before he finishes his shreddies.
    I wasn't aware that there were any supporters of Keir Starmer in this conversation. Who were you thinking of?
    I’ll take a poll of @SeanT’s personalities. Some of them said they voted for Starmer, so….
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,272
    edited July 25
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Is anyone here qualified to give advice on how partners who split up divide assets?

    Get some proper counselling first.
    Maybe the first question is whether we are talking romantic partners or business partners?!

    If romantic, it makes a huge difference whether you are married/in a civil partnership, or not.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,548
    edited July 25

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
    That was what Farage said:
    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291

    Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:

    "Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
    But the policing still needs explanation. Whether or not they were 'bussed' in is a technicality.
    There are two separate issues:

    (1) Was the tweet deliberately misleading, to the extent of being a deliberate lie?

    (2) Did the police act in an appropriate way?

    There is no need at all to conflate the issues.
    The trouble is pb is full of people who are obsessed with 1 and completely uninterested in 2.

    If you think that the populists lie then you need to counter it. A chief constable who doesn't think it's for himself to comment on his own force's operation isn't helping things.
    I've just commented on (1) in a seperate comment. Yes, I think Farage is being deliberately deceptive for stirring reasons - at root, it's just what he does as a Flim-Flam man. Anderson is repeating things that are untrue; he could be being stupid, bit OTOH I think it is a "reasonable man ought to have known" test for Contempt of Court. It may even be the famous passenger on the Clapham Omnibus. I don't think public figures can use their public platforms to mislead. They should make their actual arguments.

    As someone directly affected because I live here, I have already asked the police to consider whether Anderson is in contempt of court, though I am surmising that that may need to be referred somewhere else. The "general" form on the police website is a bloody nightmare.

    It is now for the relevant parties to make judgements about threshold etc.

    I'm currently considering whether I should also ask them to consider something around the "stirring" nature of his communications.

    On (2) are we talking Essex there on appropriate policing? I thought the DCI of Essex had commented.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,548
    edited July 25

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    That is, I believe, quite probably what the police are doing. Trying to get things to kick off, so Skyr Toolmakersson can wade in and do another "Southports Riots situation"

    The entire British Establishment, from politicians to police, needs to be swept away, and put on trial, and - if convicted - jailed for many years
    You really believe it? I'm prepared to entertain most ideas nowadays but that's going a bit far. Anyway the establishment need to nip these conspiracies in the bud. Think of all the efforts they make to retain the confidence of the community when it comes to any minority group. It's clearly being lost among the WWC.
    The government lied to us for two years about importing seventy trillion Afghans. They lied to us then lied about lying and then tried to jail anyone that even mentioned the subject related to the lying, let alone the actual lies

    Unfortunately - because I am sane
    When you say 'I am sane', which of your personalities are you referring to?
    The problem is that when you have a large number of personalities, they need to vote on each other’s sanity.

    Now would modified AV or STV be the right way to go?
    I suggest that a Black Box analysis is far more appropriate for @Leon than a White Box analysis.

    There are inputs and outputs, and no one - including possibly @Leon himself - has the foggiest idea what happens inside the box.

    If I think that @Leon is not being "sane", I make the charitable assumption that he has drink taken or recently up woken, make a note that it is Loon not Leon for now, and go for a walk.

    Walks are very good for my mental health.

    :wink:
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,522
    Mark Epstein on news night!!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,548
    isam said:

    Is anyone here qualified to give advice on how partners who split up divide assets?

    Are you married to a lawyer?

    (Summons @TSE )

  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,548
    edited July 25
    MattW said:

    isam said:

    Is anyone here qualified to give advice on how partners who split up divide assets?

    Are you married to a lawyer?

    (Summons @TSE )

    Despite being frivolous at 10pm on a Friday, and not knowing about children etc, I suggest that "amicably" is good advice, even if you feel that in some areas you have lost out. Your partner may feel the same about other things.

    So if it can be done non-abusively, bite your tongue, let your partner bite his/her tongue on other things, and accept that growing apart - like growing together, is far less painful as a gradual process. Be kind.

    Keep the parts of your relationship that you can preserve. "Friends who used to be lovers" is better than "Silence now and forever". The hole is smaller and less echoing.

    I hope that's not too much schmaltz.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,650
    edited July 25
    isam said:

    Is anyone here qualified to give advice on how partners who split up divide assets?

    My advice is get a lawyer instead of begging for free legal counsel on the arse end of the Internet.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,548
    edited July 25

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
    That was what Farage said:
    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291

    Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:

    "Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
    But the policing still needs explanation. Whether or not they were 'bussed' in is a technicality.
    I don't think it is a mere technicality. It appears that the police did not give counter-protestors a bus to the demo. They escorted them on foot, then when things got out of hand, took them away. That's serious, and in my view reprehensible and the opposite of good policing - but it's not as gut-wrenchingly wicked as what I thought (and argued) had happened last night, so I it's important for me to concede that.

    Farage is right that the police still have big questions to answer, but he's also very lucky that he largely walks on water just now.
    That's a good comment, even though I'm on the other side of both the argument, and probably the politics of the question, given our somewhat different views of Farage etc.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,256
    Dura_Ace said:

    isam said:

    Is anyone here qualified to give advice on how partners who split up divide assets?

    My advice is get a lawyer instead of begging for free legal counsel on the arse end of the Internet.
    You are such a cock. Why don’t you fuck off and invent some half arsed wannabe tough guy stories about your souped up mopeds?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    edited July 25
    "Why I left crazily expensive America for Britain – by James Fletcher"

    https://www.theoldie.co.uk/blog/why-i-left-crazily-expensive-america-for-britain-by-james-fletcher

    "I have been a regular visitor to the United States for over 30 years. And lived there from 2016 till November 2023. In the 90s and early 2000s a visit to New York was comparable or cheaper to London. A good hotel was £200 per night. American items, CDs, electronics, and food were mostly cheaper than London. Food, taxis, and entertainment were on a par. You knew where you stood.

    Then something happened in the early 2010s.

    America became expensive. And I mean really expensive. A Google employee relocating from London to New York was recently thrilled with a 3x (as they call it) salary increase, until he landed in New York and discovered why. The cost of living is 3x London."
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,109
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
    That was what Farage said:
    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291

    Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:

    "Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
    But the policing still needs explanation. Whether or not they were 'bussed' in is a technicality.
    The police placed a line of officers between two opposed demonstrations. Is that not just normal policing? The Essex Police statement seems reasonable to me: they say they have a legal duty t facilitate legal protest by both sides.

    I don't see "bussed in" as a "technicality". Farage and Anderson have used their fabrication to build a narrative of police bias, to the extent that someone has been demanding that "heads must roll".

    If you have a read of the Facebook Page I linked "Active Patriot" run by Alan Leggett (Tommy Robinson acolyte), you can see it bleeding through in places in comments.

    My political comment is that Farage, Anderson and so on are trying to exploit the far right animated street politics, whilst trying to maintain a distance from it for political marketing reasons.
    I don't know why there is speculation about what happened as you can watch it in real time on YouTube (if you hold your nose and don't care about your algorithm). The counter protestors turned up en masse at Epping station. The police marched them in a column to within a few feet of the anti immigration protesters. Things rapidly got lary so the police thought better of it and escorted them away on foot. They stupidly walked the counter protestors into a cul de sac and got trapped. After a bit of farce trying to flag down some police vans the plod then bundles the counter protestors into police mini vans (not the normal ones they put criminals in) and drove them back to the train station. Make of all that what you will but that's what actually happened.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,426
    edited July 25
    Dura_Ace said:

    isam said:

    Is anyone here qualified to give advice on how partners who split up divide assets?

    My advice is get a lawyer instead of begging for free legal counsel on the arse end of the Internet.
    My advice to you is: stop being a c***

    You’re bitter and old and sad, we get that. But there’s still time for you to be nicer

    PB is a pub of regulars and we often open up and seek friendly wisdom from other regulars. This is a good thing. @isam is asking us as online friends

    If you don’t like this discourse go find another pub, twat
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,734

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are pbers all happy with Essex Police now Farage's claims about protesters being bussed in have been disproven? Nick Timothy raised a whole series of questions about their conduct that deserve answers.

    The reality is that the police did escort masked men towards a demonstration that was already taking place. Why? This is not like a football match where both sets of supporters HAVE to end up at the same place. As 'common sense' copper Peter Bleksey said it would have made more sense to have the counter protesters stationed a mile away from where the existing demonstrators were. That's something they frequently do. And for the Chief Constable to say 'It's not for me comment, criticise or examine that operation.' So who's job is it then? After ugly scenes that saw 10 people arrested wouldn't you expect the police to have done a debrief, to be asking themselves whether they got it right.

    There are already people speculating, perhaps irresponsibly, that the police were deliberately trying to stoke trouble and intimidate the demonstrators by having far left agitators turn up in the hope that the people outside the hotel could be labelled far right. Sounds bonkers but I suppose the police have done some pretty odd things in the past like having undercover detectives get eco activists pregnant. And they do give the impression of having moved form being a force on the political right to one on the left. Either way they need to get a grip and explain their decisions.

    I thought the original claim - or at least the @Luckyguy1983 one - was that the police had actually bussed the protestors in?
    That was what Farage said:
    https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/nigel-farage-makes-apology-after-10372291

    Lee Anderson repeated it here. This tweet now has 3.1 million views. With the other stuff in there, he could be vulnerable to a Malicious Communications charge:

    "Our police ferry in Antifa to protest against genuinely concerned residents who are peacefully protesting then have the nerve to tell us all to remain calm."
    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1948022561402429459
    The populist right lie. That's their modus operandi. It's not an accident; it's central to how they operate. We've seen this with the MAGA movement in the US. Trump (who Farage and Yusuf adore) lies constantly. He is completely post-truth: he just says whatever he wants to be true.

    .
    I was wondering why he and Starmer get on so well.

  • isamisam Posts: 42,256
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    isam said:

    Is anyone here qualified to give advice on how partners who split up divide assets?

    My advice is get a lawyer instead of begging for free legal counsel on the arse end of the Internet.
    My advice is: stop being a c***

    You’re bitter and old. But there’s still time. Try and be nicer

    PB is a pub of regulars and we often open up and seek friendly wisdom from other regulars. This is a good thing. @isam is asking us as online friends

    If you don’t like it go find another pub, twat
    He is too much of a try hard for it not to be a big act. Pitiful really, I almost feel bad for having a pop now.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,426
    @isam I can’t give you personal and relevant advice as my divorce was amicable (and unique)

    I can say from observing the world - do your very very best to keep lawyers out of it. As soon as they are involved it gets ten times worse and twenty times more expensive

    This isn’t always possible of course. Good luck
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,794
    isam said:

    Is anyone here qualified to give advice on how partners who split up divide assets?

    This is going to sound trite, and I don't mean it to, but have you considered asking ChatGPT? It's excellent at giving you Citizens Advice Bureau type answers
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,426
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Is anyone here qualified to give advice on how partners who split up divide assets?

    This is going to sound trite, and I don't mean it to, but have you considered asking ChatGPT? It's excellent at giving you Citizens Advice Bureau type answers
    I second this emotion
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,308
    edited July 25
    isam said:

    Is anyone here qualified to give advice on how partners who split up divide assets?

    @isam

    i) Do it amicably if you can
    ii) Get a lawyer. A divorce and/or separation has legal ramifications. So you need a lawyer.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,294
    ...
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    isam said:

    Is anyone here qualified to give advice on how partners who split up divide assets?

    My advice is get a lawyer instead of begging for free legal counsel on the arse end of the Internet.
    My advice to you is: stop being a c***

    You’re bitter and old and sad, we get that. But there’s still time for you to be nicer

    PB is a pub of regulars and we often open up and seek friendly wisdom from other regulars. This is a good thing. @isam is asking us as online friends

    If you don’t like this discourse go find another pub, twat
    Good God! What the f*** have they been serving you in this imaginary pub?

    Ooh, I just think I have spied the pub bore.
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