PB did predict this long before Bob J involved himself, back when new housing was Angela Rayner's target.
He means all the mountains of students flat being thrown up in every small city across the UK which will now likely be empty as HE foreign student visa route collapses and future uk students turn to plumbing.
Every single day it seems to me my nearest local town newspaper website announces new planning for a block of student flats.
The conspiracists have it that student flats are designed to be converted easily into luxury apartments.
Given the dramatic rate of fall of occupancy if it continues then they may have to try it.
Is it my imagination or are the Americans making a complete mess of unearthing this Epstein business? There are all sorts of dogs that have not yet barked in the night time, most obviously Ghislaine Maxwell, but instead they are tied up on whether Trump sent him a card.
If there was a Trump connection to any of the illegal stuff, Trump himself would not have been feeding the frenzy up till a week ago, and surely the Biden and Kamala campaign teams would have been all over it, but they weren't.
You think anyone in the elite wants the Epstein business unearthing?
Is it my imagination or are the Americans making a complete mess of unearthing this Epstein business? There are all sorts of dogs that have not yet barked in the night time, most obviously Ghislaine Maxwell, but instead they are tied up on whether Trump sent him a card.
If there was a Trump connection to any of the illegal stuff, Trump himself would not have been feeding the frenzy up till a week ago, and surely the Biden and Kamala campaign teams would have been all over it, but they weren't.
I'm honestly not sure. The Trump/Epstein ties go way back - as does Trump's involvement in "modelling contests", which was one of the ways Epstein recruited his victims.
It would not surprise me in the slightest if there is evidence somewhere implicating Trump, and that the Biden administration obsession with process (see also the not exactly rapid investigation of Jan 6th etc) meant it didn't emerge while he was in office. Also the DOJ was not then as nakedly partisan as it is now. And don't forget Epstein had already died during Trump's first presidency, so there was no open case to pursue (which was very convenient for some politicians on both sides of the aisle).
The WSJ presumably went with the note as they had evidence substantiating it.
The WSJ will have the note imo.
At the moment it is like blog campaigning in style (remember Traffigura or Alisher Usmanov) - a lot of people are walking up to the edge and stirring the pot as they dare, but not quite pushing the fence over.
Trump is trying to deflect attention to the Grand Jury docs, whilst those are a summary rather than tapes and docs fron people who were interviewed in support of that process. And there is a huge cache of material around all the victims who sued Epstein's Estate (which paid out $120 million in compensation to 135 victims). Some of that testimony may involve Trump, and he may be mentioned in depositions ... or not.
And victims are still alive and in their 40s ,50s, 60s. They can still speak out. There are also potentially evidence from cases taken out against Trump -if there have been any.
Michael Wolff has material in his archives on Trump, and has said things about Trump & teens & photos that he says he was shown by Epstein. eg:
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
That's because we now perceive the police as not being on our side.
I saw a man smoking weed with his car window open on the M25 earlier, who was non-White.
I hesitated to report it (in fact, I didn't) because I knew it would take a long time, they'd ask me for all my details and then possibly hold me accountable for how I described his.
PB did predict this long before Bob J involved himself, back when new housing was Angela Rayner's target.
He means all the mountains of students flat being thrown up in every small city across the UK which will now likely be empty as HE foreign student visa route collapses and future uk students turn to plumbing.
Every single day it seems to me my nearest local town newspaper website announces new planning for a block of student flats.
The conspiracists have it that student flats are designed to be converted easily into luxury apartments.
Some of them definitely are - I asked a surveyor who working on a site in West London he said that it was obvious from soil stack locations and other things - you’d rip out some non-structural walls, and refurb.
It’s fairly clear that such student housing is being used to gentrify areas - they are often sited in the “next” area to go upmarket. Student accommodation gets round rules on affordable/social housing, quite often.
Pay off the project with student money, while the area getting posher, then rip out the interiors and sell the resulting flats at the right moment - that’s not a conspiracy. That’s a smart business plan.
I swear far, far too much. I worked with some posh public school types in my old spread betting job and, when I said that I was going to try to swear less often, one of them said “Yes you do swear rather a lot don’t you Samuel?”.
I felt such a commoner. But unfortunately that was fifteen to twenty years ago, and it hasn’t stopped me
Clearly they weren't that posh.
Proper posh is happy to swear like a trooper. It's the neurotic middle classes who worry about it.
Eg the Duke of fucking Edinburgh and the Princess fucking Royal.
The previous Duke I presume?
As spitting image had him - the bloody, bloody, DoE.
@ydoethur says much the same, albeit for different reasons.
Refreshing to see a PM so totally briefed and prepared to face the liaison committee i thought. We are blessed. Hes clearly not almost out of road and about to be defenestrated.
PB did predict this long before Bob J involved himself, back when new housing was Angela Rayner's target.
He means all the mountains of students flat being thrown up in every small city across the UK which will now likely be empty as HE foreign student visa route collapses and future uk students turn to plumbing.
Every single day it seems to me my nearest local town newspaper website announces new planning for a block of student flats.
The conspiracists have it that student flats are designed to be converted easily into luxury apartments.
Some of them definitely are - I asked a surveyor who working on a site in West London he said that it was obvious from soil stack locations and other things - you’d rip out some non-structural walls, and refurb.
It’s fairly clear that such student housing is being used to gentrify areas - they are often sited in the “next” area to go upmarket. Student accommodation gets round rules on affordable/social housing, quite often.
Pay off the project with student money, while the area getting posher, then rip out the interiors and sell the resulting flats at the right moment - that’s not a conspiracy. That’s a smart business plan.
And, as a way of creating places people want to live in places people want to live... It's probably a neat route to take. Starting with grownup flats in those places probably wouldn't work.
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
That's because we now perceive the police as not being on our side.
I saw a man smoking weed with his car window open on the M25 earlier, who was non-White.
I hesitated to report it (in fact, I didn't) because I knew it would take a long time, they'd ask me for all my details and then possibly hold me accountable for how I described his.
I'm firmly on the side of the police. I'm quite sure they're not allowed to choose sides.
As the current bigwig is a Cambridge mathematician I can't see that the police will return to other than their very best. Cooper really has to just get out of the way.
Is it my imagination or are the Americans making a complete mess of unearthing this Epstein business? There are all sorts of dogs that have not yet barked in the night time, most obviously Ghislaine Maxwell, but instead they are tied up on whether Trump sent him a card.
If there was a Trump connection to any of the illegal stuff, Trump himself would not have been feeding the frenzy up till a week ago, and surely the Biden and Kamala campaign teams would have been all over it, but they weren't.
You think anyone in the elite wants the Epstein business unearthing?
No.
Incidentally, the other Epstein conspiracy theory gaining traction is not based on possible links to Trump or Clinton but to spies, usually but not always Mossad.
I swear far, far too much. I worked with some posh public school types in my old spread betting job and, when I said that I was going to try to swear less often, one of them said “Yes you do swear rather a lot don’t you Samuel?”.
I felt such a commoner. But unfortunately that was fifteen to twenty years ago, and it hasn’t stopped me
Clearly they weren't that posh.
Proper posh is happy to swear like a trooper. It's the neurotic middle classes who worry about it.
Eg the Duke of fucking Edinburgh and the Princess fucking Royal.
The previous Duke I presume?
As spitting image had him - the bloody, bloody, DoE.
@ydoethur says much the same, albeit for different reasons.
PB did predict this long before Bob J involved himself, back when new housing was Angela Rayner's target.
He means all the mountains of students flat being thrown up in every small city across the UK which will now likely be empty as HE foreign student visa route collapses and future uk students turn to plumbing.
Every single day it seems to me my nearest local town newspaper website announces new planning for a block of student flats.
The conspiracists have it that student flats are designed to be converted easily into luxury apartments.
Some of them definitely are - I asked a surveyor who working on a site in West London he said that it was obvious from soil stack locations and other things - you’d rip out some non-structural walls, and refurb.
It’s fairly clear that such student housing is being used to gentrify areas - they are often sited in the “next” area to go upmarket. Student accommodation gets round rules on affordable/social housing, quite often.
Pay off the project with student money, while the area getting posher, then rip out the interiors and sell the resulting flats at the right moment - that’s not a conspiracy. That’s a smart business plan.
I've got a radical idea, how about we get rid of rules on affordable/social housing, liberate it so plenty of people can build houses where they want, so everywhere can get gentrified and houses are made affordable not because of building shitty ones in 'schemes' but by having sufficient quantity that supply meets or exceeds demand?
PB did predict this long before Bob J involved himself, back when new housing was Angela Rayner's target.
He means all the mountains of students flat being thrown up in every small city across the UK which will now likely be empty as HE foreign student visa route collapses and future uk students turn to plumbing.
Every single day it seems to me my nearest local town newspaper website announces new planning for a block of student flats.
The conspiracists have it that student flats are designed to be converted easily into luxury apartments.
Some of them definitely are - I asked a surveyor who working on a site in West London he said that it was obvious from soil stack locations and other things - you’d rip out some non-structural walls, and refurb.
It’s fairly clear that such student housing is being used to gentrify areas - they are often sited in the “next” area to go upmarket. Student accommodation gets round rules on affordable/social housing, quite often.
Pay off the project with student money, while the area getting posher, then rip out the interiors and sell the resulting flats at the right moment - that’s not a conspiracy. That’s a smart business plan.
And, as a way of creating places people want to live in places people want to live... It's probably a neat route to take. Starting with grownup flats in those places probably wouldn't work.
Yeah - in London, while people are desperate enough to live in a new block in a shit area, they will want a discount.
Renting to students while it gets posh, then sell, sounded like money for nothing. Except that the prices for student accommodation are really putting students off now.
Somebody on the previous thread was suggesting Vance is on manoeuvres over Trump.
Interesting question. If Vance actually shoots Trump because of great desire to take the top job his fear that Trump is senile, would he then be OK under the Presidential Immunity Ruling the Supreme Cucks came up with?
Wasn't the ruling that the Dear Leader can do whatever he likes while in office, so long as He has an (R) next to his name?
Vance isn't Dear Leader yet, so isn't in office yet. Though he does have the (R) so that'll help him.
But if he kills Trump, Vance will then be President and, according to multiple recent Supreme Court rulings, thus above the law.
The ruling was that he's above the law for actions done while President, as President. Hence why ex-President Trump couldn't be prosecuted for crimes committed as POTUS.
Vance wouldn't have been POTUS when he pulled the trigger.
Obviously all Americans have the right to pull triggers whenever they want. Trump wasn't dead when Vance pulled the trigger, so it wasn't murder. At the point Trump was dead and it became murder, Vance also became President.
Or some similar guff. The Republican stooges on the Supreme Court will come up with whatever Vance needs.
I seem to recall there was a bizarre story from an Asian country (maybe Thailand) a few years ago where the Prince murdered his family.
As I recall it the local media struggled to report the news, as it was illegal to criticise the monarch, and by killing his dad he'd become King.
At least the Supreme Cucks haven't (yet) reinterpreted the First Amendment as forbidding any criticism of the President.
It was Dippy, of Nepal, and he was set up by his wicked scheming uncle
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
Clearly for it to work we'd need to have different classifications for swear words. Class A, Class B, Class C, etc. A national consultation can be used to collate views of which swear words fit which categories.
We might need a David Nutt to tell us thar "wanker" has been wrongly classed as Class A, for instance.
The C-word is obviously always correctly in Class A. Nutt would approve the continuation of the legislation on that word.
Somebody on the previous thread was suggesting Vance is on manoeuvres over Trump.
Interesting question. If Vance actually shoots Trump because of great desire to take the top job his fear that Trump is senile, would he then be OK under the Presidential Immunity Ruling the Supreme Cucks came up with?
Wasn't the ruling that the Dear Leader can do whatever he likes while in office, so long as He has an (R) next to his name?
Vance isn't Dear Leader yet, so isn't in office yet. Though he does have the (R) so that'll help him.
But if he kills Trump, Vance will then be President and, according to multiple recent Supreme Court rulings, thus above the law.
The ruling was that he's above the law for actions done while President, as President. Hence why ex-President Trump couldn't be prosecuted for crimes committed as POTUS.
Vance wouldn't have been POTUS when he pulled the trigger.
Obviously all Americans have the right to pull triggers whenever they want. Trump wasn't dead when Vance pulled the trigger, so it wasn't murder. At the point Trump was dead and it became murder, Vance also became President.
Or some similar guff. The Republican stooges on the Supreme Court will come up with whatever Vance needs.
I seem to recall there was a bizarre story from an Asian country (maybe Thailand) a few years ago where the Prince murdered his family.
As I recall it the local media struggled to report the news, as it was illegal to criticise the monarch, and by killing his dad he'd become King.
At least the Supreme Cucks haven't (yet) reinterpreted the First Amendment as forbidding any criticism of the President.
It was Nepal and he was king for three days until he succumbed to his self inflicted wounds
I swear far, far too much. I worked with some posh public school types in my old spread betting job and, when I said that I was going to try to swear less often, one of them said “Yes you do swear rather a lot don’t you Samuel?”.
I felt such a commoner. But unfortunately that was fifteen to twenty years ago, and it hasn’t stopped me
Clearly they weren't that posh.
Proper posh is happy to swear like a trooper. It's the neurotic middle classes who worry about it.
That's absolutely right. It comes from the same place as casually undressing in front of the valet.
I swear far, far too much. I worked with some posh public school types in my old spread betting job and, when I said that I was going to try to swear less often, one of them said “Yes you do swear rather a lot don’t you Samuel?”.
I felt such a commoner. But unfortunately that was fifteen to twenty years ago, and it hasn’t stopped me
Some time back, we had an email circulated at work 'asking' people to think about their language in the office. There was one person who this was specifically aimed at. Not me.
In contrast, I worked alongside one person for a year and a half before hearing them swear.
PB did predict this long before Bob J involved himself, back when new housing was Angela Rayner's target.
He means all the mountains of students flat being thrown up in every small city across the UK which will now likely be empty as HE foreign student visa route collapses and future uk students turn to plumbing.
Every single day it seems to me my nearest local town newspaper website announces new planning for a block of student flats.
The conspiracists have it that student flats are designed to be converted easily into luxury apartments.
Some of them definitely are - I asked a surveyor who working on a site in West London he said that it was obvious from soil stack locations and other things - you’d rip out some non-structural walls, and refurb.
It’s fairly clear that such student housing is being used to gentrify areas - they are often sited in the “next” area to go upmarket. Student accommodation gets round rules on affordable/social housing, quite often.
Pay off the project with student money, while the area getting posher, then rip out the interiors and sell the resulting flats at the right moment - that’s not a conspiracy. That’s a smart business plan.
And, as a way of creating places people want to live in places people want to live... It's probably a neat route to take. Starting with grownup flats in those places probably wouldn't work.
Yeah - in London, while people are desperate enough to live in a new block in a shit area, they will want a discount.
Renting to students while it gets posh, then sell, sounded like money for nothing. Except that the prices for student accommodation are really putting students off now.
So joining the threads together, we monitor arrest rates for swearing, and when they get high enough, the student flats get converted.
#joinedupgovernmentdata
ETA: Does the team think that swear words are appropriate in passwords? I'm fairly sure that it would cause problems in an educational context.
Re the password convo this morning, I’ve just dropped a bit of a clanger by selling my PS4 on Facebook marketplace with FIFA 20 game included, and I think I’m logged in on it somehow
PB did predict this long before Bob J involved himself, back when new housing was Angela Rayner's target.
He means all the mountains of students flat being thrown up in every small city across the UK which will now likely be empty as HE foreign student visa route collapses and future uk students turn to plumbing.
Every single day it seems to me my nearest local town newspaper website announces new planning for a block of student flats.
The conspiracists have it that student flats are designed to be converted easily into luxury apartments.
Some of them definitely are - I asked a surveyor who working on a site in West London he said that it was obvious from soil stack locations and other things - you’d rip out some non-structural walls, and refurb.
It’s fairly clear that such student housing is being used to gentrify areas - they are often sited in the “next” area to go upmarket. Student accommodation gets round rules on affordable/social housing, quite often.
Pay off the project with student money, while the area getting posher, then rip out the interiors and sell the resulting flats at the right moment - that’s not a conspiracy. That’s a smart business plan.
I've got a radical idea, how about we get rid of rules on affordable/social housing, liberate it so plenty of people can build houses where they want, so everywhere can get gentrified and houses are made affordable not because of building shitty ones in 'schemes' but by having sufficient quantity that supply meets or exceeds demand?
Because the country is already hugely unbalanced and London does not need further overheating, and because infrastructure does not appear by magic. New towns should be the way forward, or at the very least refurbishing declining towns.
Re the password convo this morning, I’ve just dropped a bit of a clanger by selling my PS4 on Facebook marketplace with FIFA 20 game included, and I think I’m logged in on it somehow
Is this a big goof?
Try logging into the PlayStation network on their website and check if there is an option to log out all of your connected devices. Otherwise, try getting in touch with their support desk.
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
That's because we now perceive the police as not being on our side.
I saw a man smoking weed with his car window open on the M25 earlier, who was non-White.
I hesitated to report it (in fact, I didn't) because I knew it would take a long time, they'd ask me for all my details and then possibly hold me accountable for how I described his.
I agree - but that's not really a perception, it's a fact. And it's not really a woke fad, it's the ratchet effect of deliberate training and diversity initiatives over decades. Which isn't to say there aren't still excellent officers, but they seem to do a very good job training it out of them.
I swear far, far too much. I worked with some posh public school types in my old spread betting job and, when I said that I was going to try to swear less often, one of them said “Yes you do swear rather a lot don’t you Samuel?”.
I felt such a commoner. But unfortunately that was fifteen to twenty years ago, and it hasn’t stopped me
Clearly they weren't that posh.
Proper posh is happy to swear like a trooper. It's the neurotic middle classes who worry about it.
That's absolutely right. It comes from the same place as casually undressing in front of the valet.
You undress yourself? What's the valet doing for his wages?
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
That's because we now perceive the police as not being on our side.
I saw a man smoking weed with his car window open on the M25 earlier, who was non-White.
I hesitated to report it (in fact, I didn't) because I knew it would take a long time, they'd ask me for all my details and then possibly hold me accountable for how I described his.
I agree - but that's not really a perception, it's a fact. And it's not really a woke fad, it's the ratchet effect of deliberate training and diversity initiatives over decades. Which isn't to say there aren't still excellent officers, but they seem to do a very good job training it out of them.
On the other hand, the police 40 years ago were loudly, screamingly racist.
I've just picked my son up from his school's Year Six leaver's party.
The girls all looked demure and elegant as they left. The boys were covered in sweat and looked as though they'd just emerged from a battle in the jungle.
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
Yours under the impression yours not yourself a little herbert ?
Is it my imagination or are the Americans making a complete mess of unearthing this Epstein business? There are all sorts of dogs that have not yet barked in the night time, most obviously Ghislaine Maxwell, but instead they are tied up on whether Trump sent him a card.
If there was a Trump connection to any of the illegal stuff, Trump himself would not have been feeding the frenzy up till a week ago, and surely the Biden and Kamala campaign teams would have been all over it, but they weren't.
I'm honestly not sure. The Trump/Epstein ties go way back - as does Trump's involvement in "modelling contests", which was one of the ways Epstein recruited his victims.
It would not surprise me in the slightest if there is evidence somewhere implicating Trump, and that the Biden administration obsession with process (see also the not exactly rapid investigation of Jan 6th etc) meant it didn't emerge while he was in office. Also the DOJ was not then as nakedly partisan as it is now. And don't forget Epstein had already died during Trump's first presidency, so there was no open case to pursue (which was very convenient for some politicians on both sides of the aisle).
The WSJ presumably went with the note as they had evidence substantiating it.
The WSJ will have the note imo.
At the moment it is like blog campaigning in style (remember Traffigura or Alisher Usmanov) - a lot of people are walking up to the edge and stirring the pot as they dare, but not quite pushing the fence over.
Trump is trying to deflect attention to the Grand Jury docs, whilst those are a summary rather than tapes and docs fron people who were interviewed in support of that process. And there is a huge cache of material around all the victims who sued Epstein's Estate (which paid out $120 million in compensation to 135 victims). Some of that testimony may involve Trump, and he may be mentioned in depositions ... or not.
And victims are still alive and in their 40s ,50s, 60s. They can still speak out. There are also potentially evidence from cases taken out against Trump -if there have been any.
Michael Wolff has material in his archives on Trump, and has said things about Trump & teens & photos that he says he was shown by Epstein. eg:
And Ghislaine Maxwell wants an out, and may then keep silent if Trump springs her from prison.
Everyone is being very careful, because Trump is a litigious billionaire (a real one now, thanks to presidential grift), and has half the US legal system under his palsied thumb.
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
That's because we now perceive the police as not being on our side.
I saw a man smoking weed with his car window open on the M25 earlier, who was non-White.
I hesitated to report it (in fact, I didn't) because I knew it would take a long time, they'd ask me for all my details and then possibly hold me accountable for how I described his.
I agree - but that's not really a perception, it's a fact. And it's not really a woke fad, it's the ratchet effect of deliberate training and diversity initiatives over decades. Which isn't to say there aren't still excellent officers, but they seem to do a very good job training it out of them.
On the other hand, the police 40 years ago were loudly, screamingly racist.
Many no doubt were, and that was an awful thing, but it is quite obvious that the bid to rid the force of racism has become very much something else. Or perhaps always was. Every campaign to change something that people don't especially see the need to change needs a righteous cause. See also the quashing of press freedom in the cause of the victims of phone hacking.
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
Yours under the impression yours not yourself a little herbert ?
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
Yours under the impression yours not yourself a little herbert ?
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
Yours under the impression yours not yourself a little herbert ?
I swear far, far too much. I worked with some posh public school types in my old spread betting job and, when I said that I was going to try to swear less often, one of them said “Yes you do swear rather a lot don’t you Samuel?”.
I felt such a commoner. But unfortunately that was fifteen to twenty years ago, and it hasn’t stopped me
Clearly they weren't that posh.
Proper posh is happy to swear like a trooper. It's the neurotic middle classes who worry about it.
That's absolutely right. It comes from the same place as casually undressing in front of the valet.
You undress yourself? What's the valet doing for his wages?
I've just picked my son up from his school's Year Six leaver's party.
The girls all looked demure and elegant as they left. The boys were covered in sweat and looked as though they'd just emerged from a battle in the jungle.
At my final school leavers party someone took a razor-blade out of their sock and slashed some guys face from cheek-to-cheek - eye-to-eye. The girls were mostly sprayed with blood, and the boys were trying to pretend they hadn't wet themselves.
I've just picked my son up from his school's Year Six leaver's party.
The girls all looked demure and elegant as they left. The boys were covered in sweat and looked as though they'd just emerged from a battle in the jungle.
At my final school leavers party someone took a razor-blade out of their sock and slashed some guys face from cheek-to-cheek - eye-to-eye. The girls were mostly sprayed with blood, and the boys were trying to pretend they hadn't wet themselves.
The Met Police 40 years ago was not only racist it was also incredibly corrupt. I have no doubt those are the 'good old days' we are all supposed to want back. Why leave illegal drug running to criminals when the Police can be doing it?
The chronic lack of social housing is one of the aspects of the housing “problem” which rarely gets mentioned. It’s not “affordable housing” - this is about places to live for individuals and families for whom the housing ladder might as well be a housing mountain.
These are people who have little or nothing - if they can go into rental accommodation, housing benefit pays their rent but it’s often in the worst accommodation in the private rental market.
Yes, there are those who fight the system for something better and having spoken to Housing Officers over the years, it’s an unending tale of misery for an often forgotten group in our society.
If those in hotels like the Bell in Epping were from council waiting lists in Newham, Redbridge or Tower Hamlets and they were being fed and watered by the Government, would there be crowds outside? I suspect not but Starmer, like everyone else, is playing to the populist gallery.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
PB did predict this long before Bob J involved himself, back when new housing was Angela Rayner's target.
He means all the mountains of students flat being thrown up in every small city across the UK which will now likely be empty as HE foreign student visa route collapses and future uk students turn to plumbing.
Every single day it seems to me my nearest local town newspaper website announces new planning for a block of student flats.
The conspiracists have it that student flats are designed to be converted easily into luxury apartments.
Allegedly, the BBC Scotland building in Glasgow was built explicitly with the idea of being easy to convert to a shopping centre down the line.
Given it's mostly empty apart from desks with peoples names on it who actually work down south (but so they can say 'Produced by BBC Scotland') - it wouldn't surprise me.
I've just picked my son up from his school's Year Six leaver's party.
The girls all looked demure and elegant as they left. The boys were covered in sweat and looked as though they'd just emerged from a battle in the jungle.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
At university there was a challenge to get me to swear, I very rarely swear in English.
I can fluently swear in six languages other than English, those being Urdu, Punjabi, French, German, Latin, and Greek.
Swearing in French or Latin is the best, it's like wiping your arse with silk.
You should have said "arse" in Punjabi....
"Officer!!"
A Pakistani friend of mine was quite interesting on the subject of the best language to swear in. As I recall, swearing in Punjabi is much more satisfying than swearing in Urdu. Though it may be the other way around. English is in the middle.
Is it my imagination or are the Americans making a complete mess of unearthing this Epstein business? There are all sorts of dogs that have not yet barked in the night time, most obviously Ghislaine Maxwell, but instead they are tied up on whether Trump sent him a card.
If there was a Trump connection to any of the illegal stuff, Trump himself would not have been feeding the frenzy up till a week ago, and surely the Biden and Kamala campaign teams would have been all over it, but they weren't.
You think anyone in the elite wants the Epstein business unearthing?
The chronic lack of social housing is one of the aspects of the housing “problem” which rarely gets mentioned. It’s not “affordable housing” - this is about places to live for individuals and families for whom the housing ladder might as well be a housing mountain.
These are people who have little or nothing - if they can go into rental accommodation, housing benefit pays their rent but it’s often in the worst accommodation in the private rental market.
Yes, there are those who fight the system for something better and having spoken to Housing Officers over the years, it’s an unending tale of misery for an often forgotten group in our society.
If those in hotels like the Bell in Epping were from council waiting lists in Newham, Redbridge or Tower Hamlets and they were being fed and watered by the Government, would there be crowds outside? I suspect not but Starmer, like everyone else, is playing to the populist gallery.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
It does make you wonder why, if taking over hotels and turning them into HMOs is the only way forward for immigrants, the same could not be done for those who are homeless.
As in those living in grotesquely shitty accommodation, and close to sleeping on the streets.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
I note you said foreign-born, not foreign citizens.
So would you want to pressure citizens who were born abroad, such as my wife, to "self-deport"?
Or are we safe, since I was born here and we live in our own home and aren't in social housing?
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
I note you said foreign-born, not foreign citizens.
So would you want to pressure citizens who were born abroad, such as my wife, to "self-deport"?
Or are we safe, since I was born here and we live in our own home and aren't in social housing?
So when Boris was PM in no 10 he could have been deported?
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
I note you said foreign-born, not foreign citizens.
So would you want to pressure citizens who were born abroad, such as my wife, to "self-deport"?
Or are we safe, since I was born here and we live in our own home and aren't in social housing?
If you consider not offering financial inducements to stay to be pressure then yes, but I don’t.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
I note you said foreign-born, not foreign citizens.
So would you want to pressure citizens who were born abroad, such as my wife, to "self-deport"?
Or are we safe, since I was born here and we live in our own home and aren't in social housing?
Good evening
It leaves me cold at just how callous the right are, they need to be shamed for some of their divisive language
The question of your wife is simply unacceptable in any society
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
Carefully worded response. There are repatriation schemes in some countries where they offer foreign born nationals money to, as you say, self-deport.
Should we, for example, offer someone who has arrived here legally money to go “home” and, if so, how much? Should we offer a Sri Lankan Tamil and his family who have come here and are living in East Ham, for example, £50,000 to go back to Sri Lanka and renounce all future claim to UK residency?
I swear far, far too much. I worked with some posh public school types in my old spread betting job and, when I said that I was going to try to swear less often, one of them said “Yes you do swear rather a lot don’t you Samuel?”.
I felt such a commoner. But unfortunately that was fifteen to twenty years ago, and it hasn’t stopped me
Clearly they weren't that posh.
Proper posh is happy to swear like a trooper. It's the neurotic middle classes who worry about it.
Eg the Duke of fucking Edinburgh and the Princess fucking Royal.
The previous Duke I presume?
As spitting image had him - the bloody, bloody, DoE.
@ydoethur says much the same, albeit for different reasons.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
I note you said foreign-born, not foreign citizens.
So would you want to pressure citizens who were born abroad, such as my wife, to "self-deport"?
Or are we safe, since I was born here and we live in our own home and aren't in social housing?
Good evening
It leaves me cold at just how callous the right are, they need to be shamed for some of their divisive language
The question of your wife is simply unacceptable in any society
When we first met she'd not long moved to the UK and had a very strong accent, and was sadly regularly subject to some pretty vile racist abuse. Especially from her neighbours who were racists and told her to "go back to her own country" which was a remark she heard many times. Disgusting.
The funny (not funny ha ha) thing now is that her accent has flattened a lot now, so since she's white sometimes people assume she is Southern/posh now since its not a local accent, rather than being foreign.
Now if a racist who barely knows her makes any kind of remarks about 'foreigners' she delights in just staying silent while they say whatever they're saying, then coldly saying "do you mean me?" and watching them squirm. What's remarkable is how many times she's been told now she's "not a real foreigner".
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
Carefully worded response. There are repatriation schemes in some countries where they offer foreign born nationals money to, as you say, self-deport.
Should we, for example, offer someone who has arrived here legally money to go “home” and, if so, how much? Should we offer a Sri Lankan Tamil and his family who have come here and are living in East Ham, for example, £50,000 to go back to Sri Lanka and renounce all future claim to UK residency?
It’s a fiscal calculation. I don’t know if that policy itself would be a good idea but you have to admit that it would make a meaningful difference to the availability of social housing if you subtracted foreign-born occupants.
I've just picked my son up from his school's Year Six leaver's party.
The girls all looked demure and elegant as they left. The boys were covered in sweat and looked as though they'd just emerged from a battle in the jungle.
We didn't even have a party. Late 90s.
At my school leavers’ party in the mid 90s I snogged my Spanish teacher.
I've just picked my son up from his school's Year Six leaver's party.
The girls all looked demure and elegant as they left. The boys were covered in sweat and looked as though they'd just emerged from a battle in the jungle.
We didn't even have a party. Late 90s.
At my school leavers’ party in the mid 90s I snogged my Spanish teacher.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
Carefully worded response. There are repatriation schemes in some countries where they offer foreign born nationals money to, as you say, self-deport.
Should we, for example, offer someone who has arrived here legally money to go “home” and, if so, how much? Should we offer a Sri Lankan Tamil and his family who have come here and are living in East Ham, for example, £50,000 to go back to Sri Lanka and renounce all future claim to UK residency?
It’s a fiscal calculation. I don’t know if that policy itself would be a good idea but you have to admit that it would make a meaningful difference to the availability of social housing if you subtracted foreign-born occupants.
If we were in a position where we needed social housing, would you want my wife to 'self-deport' by herself? Or should I go with her? What about our children, born in this country and only carrying this country's passport? Can they stay or do they need to go to a country they've never been to, that their mother was born in?
I've just picked my son up from his school's Year Six leaver's party.
The girls all looked demure and elegant as they left. The boys were covered in sweat and looked as though they'd just emerged from a battle in the jungle.
We didn't even have a party. Late 90s.
I'm so old I don't even know what 'year six' means.
I've just picked my son up from his school's Year Six leaver's party.
The girls all looked demure and elegant as they left. The boys were covered in sweat and looked as though they'd just emerged from a battle in the jungle.
We didn't even have a party. Late 90s.
At my school leavers’ party in the mid 90s I snogged my Spanish teacher.
I've just picked my son up from his school's Year Six leaver's party.
The girls all looked demure and elegant as they left. The boys were covered in sweat and looked as though they'd just emerged from a battle in the jungle.
We didn't even have a party. Late 90s.
I'm so old I don't even know what 'year six' means.
But whatever age it is, there was no party.
Final year of primary school, so 11 year olds. My daughter had hers last week, her final day of primary school is tomorrow.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
I note you said foreign-born, not foreign citizens.
So would you want to pressure citizens who were born abroad, such as my wife, to "self-deport"?
Or are we safe, since I was born here and we live in our own home and aren't in social housing?
Good evening
It leaves me cold at just how callous the right are, they need to be shamed for some of their divisive language
The question of your wife is simply unacceptable in any society
I've just picked my son up from his school's Year Six leaver's party.
The girls all looked demure and elegant as they left. The boys were covered in sweat and looked as though they'd just emerged from a battle in the jungle.
We didn't even have a party. Late 90s.
At my school leavers’ party in the mid 90s I snogged my Spanish teacher.
In mine two teachers had quite a vicious fight in the toilets. The level of drunkenness was astonishing. We nearly lost a friend facedown in the burn as we staggered to the after party, hosted by another teacher.
Probably the most valuable 8 hours of my schooling. Prepped for uni, but you'll never fully replicate the raw familiarity of a small town night out, where you know everyone and are entirely comfortable in your environment.
I appreciate that year 6 in England is different to 6th year...
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
Carefully worded response. There are repatriation schemes in some countries where they offer foreign born nationals money to, as you say, self-deport.
Should we, for example, offer someone who has arrived here legally money to go “home” and, if so, how much? Should we offer a Sri Lankan Tamil and his family who have come here and are living in East Ham, for example, £50,000 to go back to Sri Lanka and renounce all future claim to UK residency?
It’s a fiscal calculation. I don’t know if that policy itself would be a good idea but you have to admit that it would make a meaningful difference to the availability of social housing if you subtracted foreign-born occupants.
If we were in a position where we needed social housing, would you want my wife to 'self-deport' by herself? Or should I go with her? What about our children, born in this country and only carrying this country's passport? Can they stay or do they need to go to a country they've never been to, that their mother was born in?
If we prioritised social housing for people born in the local area then you wouldn’t have anything to worry about.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
I note you said foreign-born, not foreign citizens.
So would you want to pressure citizens who were born abroad, such as my wife, to "self-deport"?
Or are we safe, since I was born here and we live in our own home and aren't in social housing?
Good evening
It leaves me cold at just how callous the right are, they need to be shamed for some of their divisive language
The question of your wife is simply unacceptable in any society
To be fair, William didn't mention Barty's wife.
No, he just made an all-encompassing racist statement that covered her.
When people rant about those who are foreign born, well, that includes her and a plethora of other people who migrated to this country and married people who were born here and are settled down with kids here.
So maybe engage your braincells before going on racist tirades without thinking, or stand by the statement if you mean it.
I've just picked my son up from his school's Year Six leaver's party.
The girls all looked demure and elegant as they left. The boys were covered in sweat and looked as though they'd just emerged from a battle in the jungle.
We didn't even have a party. Late 90s.
I'm so old I don't even know what 'year six' means.
But whatever age it is, there was no party.
Final year of primary school, so 11 year olds. My daughter had hers last week, her final day of primary school is tomorrow.
Ok, so when I left at 11, we had a board games afternoon on the final day and a bit of a sing a long.
Went to see the Tall Ships in Aberdeen. Was fekkin rammed. I hate rammed these days, especially when its very noisy and you can't move much faster at times than a shuffle.
I know I am on the spectrum, though obviously functioning. Was *really* struggling. And then realised that I was stimming.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
Carefully worded response. There are repatriation schemes in some countries where they offer foreign born nationals money to, as you say, self-deport.
Should we, for example, offer someone who has arrived here legally money to go “home” and, if so, how much? Should we offer a Sri Lankan Tamil and his family who have come here and are living in East Ham, for example, £50,000 to go back to Sri Lanka and renounce all future claim to UK residency?
It’s a fiscal calculation. I don’t know if that policy itself would be a good idea but you have to admit that it would make a meaningful difference to the availability of social housing if you subtracted foreign-born occupants.
If we were in a position where we needed social housing, would you want my wife to 'self-deport' by herself? Or should I go with her? What about our children, born in this country and only carrying this country's passport? Can they stay or do they need to go to a country they've never been to, that their mother was born in?
If we prioritised social housing for people born in the local area then you wouldn’t have anything to worry about.
Well I haven't lived in the town I was born in since I was six years old, because my dad took Tebbit's advice and moved to get a job. And I've moved a few times since too, also for work purposes.
So if we fell on hard times then we should be excluded because she was born abroad and I've moved for work. We should discriminate against those who have 'got on their bike' in the past?
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
Carefully worded response. There are repatriation schemes in some countries where they offer foreign born nationals money to, as you say, self-deport.
Should we, for example, offer someone who has arrived here legally money to go “home” and, if so, how much? Should we offer a Sri Lankan Tamil and his family who have come here and are living in East Ham, for example, £50,000 to go back to Sri Lanka and renounce all future claim to UK residency?
It’s a fiscal calculation. I don’t know if that policy itself would be a good idea but you have to admit that it would make a meaningful difference to the availability of social housing if you subtracted foreign-born occupants.
If we were in a position where we needed social housing, would you want my wife to 'self-deport' by herself? Or should I go with her? What about our children, born in this country and only carrying this country's passport? Can they stay or do they need to go to a country they've never been to, that their mother was born in?
This is rather ridiculous. As you admit William's policy wouldn't even apply to someone in your wife's position anyway!
Stop feigning some sort of affront - it's worse than an SNP supporter.
I've just picked my son up from his school's Year Six leaver's party.
The girls all looked demure and elegant as they left. The boys were covered in sweat and looked as though they'd just emerged from a battle in the jungle.
We didn't even have a party. Late 90s.
At my school leavers’ party in the mid 90s I snogged my Spanish teacher.
Was the señor a good kisser?
Moustache got in the way a bit.
(This was 6th form not year six, I now feel the need to clarify having reread the OP).
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
Carefully worded response. There are repatriation schemes in some countries where they offer foreign born nationals money to, as you say, self-deport.
Should we, for example, offer someone who has arrived here legally money to go “home” and, if so, how much? Should we offer a Sri Lankan Tamil and his family who have come here and are living in East Ham, for example, £50,000 to go back to Sri Lanka and renounce all future claim to UK residency?
It’s a fiscal calculation. I don’t know if that policy itself would be a good idea but you have to admit that it would make a meaningful difference to the availability of social housing if you subtracted foreign-born occupants.
If we were in a position where we needed social housing, would you want my wife to 'self-deport' by herself? Or should I go with her? What about our children, born in this country and only carrying this country's passport? Can they stay or do they need to go to a country they've never been to, that their mother was born in?
This is rather ridiculous. As you admit William's policy wouldn't even apply to someone in your wife's position anyway!
Stop feigning some sort of affront - it's worse than an SNP supporter.
Only because we own our own home, so don't need social housing, not because he views her equally to anyone else who is a citizen of this country like she is. If we were to fall on hard times and need social housing, she shouldn't be eligible based on his proposals.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
Carefully worded response. There are repatriation schemes in some countries where they offer foreign born nationals money to, as you say, self-deport.
Should we, for example, offer someone who has arrived here legally money to go “home” and, if so, how much? Should we offer a Sri Lankan Tamil and his family who have come here and are living in East Ham, for example, £50,000 to go back to Sri Lanka and renounce all future claim to UK residency?
It’s a fiscal calculation. I don’t know if that policy itself would be a good idea but you have to admit that it would make a meaningful difference to the availability of social housing if you subtracted foreign-born occupants.
If we were in a position where we needed social housing, would you want my wife to 'self-deport' by herself? Or should I go with her? What about our children, born in this country and only carrying this country's passport? Can they stay or do they need to go to a country they've never been to, that their mother was born in?
This is rather ridiculous. As you admit William's policy wouldn't even apply to someone in your wife's position anyway!
Stop feigning some sort of affront - it's worse than an SNP supporter.
Only because we own our own home, so don't need social housing, not because he views her equally to anyone else who is a citizen of this country like she is. If we were to fall on hard times and need social housing, she shouldn't be eligible based on his proposals.
She would be eligible, and she would also be eligible for an incentive which she would not take due to her not wanting to. So I don't see the issue.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Why does it matter where someone was born? If they're a British citizen, they're a British citizen. We shouldn't exclude people for being foreign-born, like, say, Prince Philip, Boris Johnson, Joanna Lumley, Bradley Wiggins, Cliff Richard, Chris Foome, Freddie Mercury, Emma Watson, Edward de Bono, Richard Grant, Hugo Weaving, Eddie Izzard, Paddy Ashdown, Floella Benjamin, Gyles Brandreth, etc.
Should the US deny rights to its foreign-born, like Donald Trump's third wife, Donald Trump's first wife, Donald Trump's mother, Ted Cruz, Amy Adams, etc.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
I note you said foreign-born, not foreign citizens.
So would you want to pressure citizens who were born abroad, such as my wife, to "self-deport"?
Or are we safe, since I was born here and we live in our own home and aren't in social housing?
Good evening
It leaves me cold at just how callous the right are, they need to be shamed for some of their divisive language
The question of your wife is simply unacceptable in any society
To be fair, William didn't mention Barty's wife.
So it's OK if he makes an exception for Barty's family ?
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Why does it matter where someone was born? If they're a British citizen, they're a British citizen. We shouldn't exclude people for being foreign-born, like, say, Prince Philip, Boris Johnson, Joanna Lumley, Bradley Wiggins, Cliff Richard, Chris Foome, Freddie Mercury, Emma Watson, Edward de Bono, Richard Grant, Hugo Weaving, Eddie Izzard, Paddy Ashdown, Floella Benjamin, Gyles Brandreth, etc.
Should the US deny rights to its foreign-born, like Donald Trump's third wife, Donald Trump's first wife, Donald Trump's mother, Ted Cruz, Amy Adams, etc.
There are rights and there are rights. Everyone has an equal right to a fair trial, but not everyone has any equal claim on the resources of the state.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
Carefully worded response. There are repatriation schemes in some countries where they offer foreign born nationals money to, as you say, self-deport.
Should we, for example, offer someone who has arrived here legally money to go “home” and, if so, how much? Should we offer a Sri Lankan Tamil and his family who have come here and are living in East Ham, for example, £50,000 to go back to Sri Lanka and renounce all future claim to UK residency?
It’s a fiscal calculation. I don’t know if that policy itself would be a good idea but you have to admit that it would make a meaningful difference to the availability of social housing if you subtracted foreign-born occupants.
If we were in a position where we needed social housing, would you want my wife to 'self-deport' by herself? Or should I go with her? What about our children, born in this country and only carrying this country's passport? Can they stay or do they need to go to a country they've never been to, that their mother was born in?
This is rather ridiculous. As you admit William's policy wouldn't even apply to someone in your wife's position anyway!
Stop feigning some sort of affront - it's worse than an SNP supporter.
Only because we own our own home, so don't need social housing, not because he views her equally to anyone else who is a citizen of this country like she is. If we were to fall on hard times and need social housing, she shouldn't be eligible based on his proposals.
She would be eligible, and she would also be eligible for an incentive which she would not take due to her not wanting to. So I don't see the issue.
He wanted "every foreign-born occupant of social housing" to "self-deport".
Not just non-citizen occupants. No, every one of them.
You don't see an issue with that?
She's a British citizen, who has given up the passport of the country she was born in, and raises her children here. As is the case with plenty of other people just like her, many of whom yes do live in social housing, but william suggests "every" one of them should "self-deport".
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Why does it matter where someone was born? If they're a British citizen, they're a British citizen. We shouldn't exclude people for being foreign-born, like, say, Prince Philip, Boris Johnson, Joanna Lumley, Bradley Wiggins, Cliff Richard, Chris Foome, Freddie Mercury, Emma Watson, Edward de Bono, Richard Grant, Hugo Weaving, Eddie Izzard, Paddy Ashdown, Floella Benjamin, Gyles Brandreth, etc.
Should the US deny rights to its foreign-born, like Donald Trump's third wife, Donald Trump's first wife, Donald Trump's mother, Ted Cruz, Amy Adams, etc.
There are rights and there are rights. Everyone has an equal right to a fair trial, but not everyone has any equal claim on the resources of the state.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Why does it matter where someone was born? If they're a British citizen, they're a British citizen. We shouldn't exclude people for being foreign-born, like, say, Prince Philip, Boris Johnson, Joanna Lumley, Bradley Wiggins, Cliff Richard, Chris Foome, Freddie Mercury, Emma Watson, Edward de Bono, Richard Grant, Hugo Weaving, Eddie Izzard, Paddy Ashdown, Floella Benjamin, Gyles Brandreth, etc.
Should the US deny rights to its foreign-born, like Donald Trump's third wife, Donald Trump's first wife, Donald Trump's mother, Ted Cruz, Amy Adams, etc.
There are rights and there are rights. Everyone has an equal right to a fair trial, but not everyone has any equal claim on the resources of the state.
So, you don't think Floella Benjamin, Emma Watson or Boris Johnson should have the equal claim on the resources of the state as me or you?
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Why does it matter where someone was born? If they're a British citizen, they're a British citizen. We shouldn't exclude people for being foreign-born, like, say, Prince Philip, Boris Johnson, Joanna Lumley, Bradley Wiggins, Cliff Richard, Chris Foome, Freddie Mercury, Emma Watson, Edward de Bono, Richard Grant, Hugo Weaving, Eddie Izzard, Paddy Ashdown, Floella Benjamin, Gyles Brandreth, Sunil Prasannan, etc.
I've just picked my son up from his school's Year Six leaver's party.
The girls all looked demure and elegant as they left. The boys were covered in sweat and looked as though they'd just emerged from a battle in the jungle.
We didn't even have a party. Late 90s.
At my school leavers’ party in the mid 90s I snogged my Spanish teacher.
In mine two teachers had quite a vicious fight in the toilets. The level of drunkenness was astonishing. We nearly lost a friend facedown in the burn as we staggered to the after party, hosted by another teacher.
Probably the most valuable 8 hours of my schooling. Prepped for uni, but you'll never fully replicate the raw familiarity of a small town night out, where you know everyone and are entirely comfortable in your environment.
I appreciate that year 6 in England is different to 6th year...
The amount of booze in schools four or five decades back was pretty outrageous. And no doubt a contributory factor to the sexual abuse that went on.
I managed to avoid the latter, but I did pick up a very unhealthy relationship with alcohol.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
I note you said foreign-born, not foreign citizens.
So would you want to pressure citizens who were born abroad, such as my wife, to "self-deport"?
Or are we safe, since I was born here and we live in our own home and aren't in social housing?
Good evening
It leaves me cold at just how callous the right are, they need to be shamed for some of their divisive language
The question of your wife is simply unacceptable in any society
To be fair, William didn't mention Barty's wife.
So it's OK if he makes an exception for Barty's family ?
To be fair.
Absolutely nothing has been said that could remotely be applied to Barty's family - even the hypothetical 'fallen on hard times' family that he has had to invent in order to be offended on their behalf would only be offered an incentive that they would clearly refuse. Pity's sake.
I swear far, far too much. I worked with some posh public school types in my old spread betting job and, when I said that I was going to try to swear less often, one of them said “Yes you do swear rather a lot don’t you Samuel?”.
I felt such a commoner. But unfortunately that was fifteen to twenty years ago, and it hasn’t stopped me
Clearly they weren't that posh.
Proper posh is happy to swear like a trooper. It's the neurotic middle classes who worry about it.
Eg the Duke of fucking Edinburgh and the Princess fucking Royal.
The previous Duke I presume?
As spitting image had him - the bloody, bloody, DoE.
@ydoethur says much the same, albeit for different reasons.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
I note you said foreign-born, not foreign citizens.
So would you want to pressure citizens who were born abroad, such as my wife, to "self-deport"?
Or are we safe, since I was born here and we live in our own home and aren't in social housing?
Good evening
It leaves me cold at just how callous the right are, they need to be shamed for some of their divisive language
The question of your wife is simply unacceptable in any society
To be fair, William didn't mention Barty's wife.
So it's OK if he makes an exception for Barty's family ?
To be fair.
Absolutely nothing has been said that could remotely be applied to Barty's family - even the hypothetical 'fallen on hard times' family that he has had to invent in order to be offended on their behalf would only be offered an incentive that they would clearly refuse. Pity's sake.
His proposal was that "every" foreign-born person should not be in social housing.
So for families just like mine that do today live in social housing, what happens if william gets his way when one person is told "sorry the house is not for you anymore as you weren't born here" when others in the household were born here?
Or was william just spouting racist bullshit with no serious thought behind it?
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
How about every foreign-born occupant of social housing?
Are you advocating the deportation, re-migration or voluntary repatriation (I’ll leave you to choose your preferred jargon or terminology) of non-British born people in general or just those who have been given permission to stay and are in social housing?
I think the incentive structure should make it more attractive for people in that position who are a net fiscal drain to self-deport than it does at present.
Carefully worded response. There are repatriation schemes in some countries where they offer foreign born nationals money to, as you say, self-deport.
Should we, for example, offer someone who has arrived here legally money to go “home” and, if so, how much? Should we offer a Sri Lankan Tamil and his family who have come here and are living in East Ham, for example, £50,000 to go back to Sri Lanka and renounce all future claim to UK residency?
It’s a fiscal calculation. I don’t know if that policy itself would be a good idea but you have to admit that it would make a meaningful difference to the availability of social housing if you subtracted foreign-born occupants.
If we were in a position where we needed social housing, would you want my wife to 'self-deport' by herself? Or should I go with her? What about our children, born in this country and only carrying this country's passport? Can they stay or do they need to go to a country they've never been to, that their mother was born in?
This is rather ridiculous. As you admit William's policy wouldn't even apply to someone in your wife's position anyway!
Stop feigning some sort of affront - it's worse than an SNP supporter.
Only because we own our own home, so don't need social housing, not because he views her equally to anyone else who is a citizen of this country like she is. If we were to fall on hard times and need social housing, she shouldn't be eligible based on his proposals.
She would be eligible, and she would also be eligible for an incentive which she would not take due to her not wanting to. So I don't see the issue.
He wanted "every foreign-born occupant of social housing" to "self-deport".
Not just non-citizen occupants. No, every one of them.
You don't see an issue with that?
She's a British citizen, who has given up the passport of the country she was born in, and raises her children here. As is the case with plenty of other people just like her, many of whom yes do live in social housing, but william suggests "every" one of them should "self-deport".
I never see the point in misrepresenting someone's words in this way - you do realise we can read what he actually said?
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Or stick asylum seekers in them.
At the moment it is like blog campaigning in style (remember Traffigura or Alisher Usmanov) - a lot of people are walking up to the edge and stirring the pot as they dare, but not quite pushing the fence over.
Trump is trying to deflect attention to the Grand Jury docs, whilst those are a summary rather than tapes and docs fron people who were interviewed in support of that process. And there is a huge cache of material around all the victims who sued Epstein's Estate (which paid out $120 million in compensation to 135 victims). Some of that testimony may involve Trump, and he may be mentioned in depositions ... or not.
And victims are still alive and in their 40s ,50s, 60s. They can still speak out. There are also potentially evidence from cases taken out against Trump -if there have been any.
Michael Wolff has material in his archives on Trump, and has said things about Trump & teens & photos that he says he was shown by Epstein. eg:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/19/trump-ghost-jeffrey-epstein
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko_y_JnULxg&list=PLBpiUxZcKxXQ8Z9uAY6WXItquhnSIIGIK&index=6&t=130s
But no one is pushing big red buttons yet afaics.
And Ghislaine Maxwell wants an out, and may then keep silent if Trump springs her from prison.
#totallytrue
I saw a man smoking weed with his car window open on the M25 earlier, who was non-White.
I hesitated to report it (in fact, I didn't) because I knew it would take a long time, they'd ask me for all my details and then possibly hold me accountable for how I described his.
It’s fairly clear that such student housing is being used to gentrify areas - they are often sited in the “next” area to go upmarket. Student accommodation gets round rules on affordable/social housing, quite often.
Pay off the project with student money, while the area getting posher, then rip out the interiors and sell the resulting flats at the right moment - that’s not a conspiracy. That’s a smart business plan.
We are blessed.
Hes clearly not almost out of road and about to be defenestrated.
As the current bigwig is a Cambridge mathematician I can't see that the police will return to other than their very best. Cooper really has to just get out of the way.
Incidentally, the other Epstein conspiracy theory gaining traction is not based on possible links to Trump or Clinton but to spies, usually but not always Mossad.
Renting to students while it gets posh, then sell, sounded like money for nothing. Except that the prices for student accommodation are really putting students off now.
In contrast, I worked alongside one person for a year and a half before hearing them swear.
I can fluently swear in six languages other than English, those being Urdu, Punjabi, French, German, Latin, and Greek.
Swearing in French or Latin is the best, it's like wiping your arse with silk.
#joinedupgovernmentdata
ETA: Does the team think that swear words are appropriate in passwords? I'm fairly sure that it would cause problems in an educational context.
Is this a big goof?
The girls all looked demure and elegant as they left. The boys were covered in sweat and looked as though they'd just emerged from a battle in the jungle.
"Rightie" takes one 't'.
Soccer rivalry put aside. I’m sure on Derby day there will be the half and half scarves too.
https://bsky.app/profile/antongerashchenko.bsky.social
Staff talk about the importance of keeping a cafe going after it has been destroyed for the sixth time. I am obviously lacking in moral fibre.
I was quite glad I'd given it a miss.
"Officer!!"
Was Morrissey in town ?
What next. A 10 tonne truck.
https://news.sky.com/story/double-decker-bus-crashes-into-bridge-in-manchester-13399840
These are people who have little or nothing - if they can go into rental accommodation, housing benefit pays their rent but it’s often in the worst accommodation in the private rental market.
Yes, there are those who fight the system for something better and having spoken to Housing Officers over the years, it’s an unending tale of misery for an often forgotten group in our society.
If those in hotels like the Bell in Epping were from council waiting lists in Newham, Redbridge or Tower Hamlets and they were being fed and watered by the Government, would there be crowds outside? I suspect not but Starmer, like everyone else, is playing to the populist gallery.
Even if every illegal immigrant were deported tomorrow, we would still have a huge problem with homeless people.
Given it's mostly empty apart from desks with peoples names on it who actually work down south (but so they can say 'Produced by BBC Scotland') - it wouldn't surprise me.
As in those living in grotesquely shitty accommodation, and close to sleeping on the streets.
So would you want to pressure citizens who were born abroad, such as my wife, to "self-deport"?
Or are we safe, since I was born here and we live in our own home and aren't in social housing?
It leaves me cold at just how callous the right are, they need to be shamed for some of their divisive language
The question of your wife is simply unacceptable in any society
Should we, for example, offer someone who has arrived here legally money to go “home” and, if so, how much? Should we offer a Sri Lankan Tamil and his family who have come here and are living in East Ham, for example, £50,000 to go back to Sri Lanka and renounce all future claim to UK residency?
Yes, really.
It’s really quite sinister and I expect if Reform get in things will turn very ugly and dark .
The funny (not funny ha ha) thing now is that her accent has flattened a lot now, so since she's white sometimes people assume she is Southern/posh now since its not a local accent, rather than being foreign.
Now if a racist who barely knows her makes any kind of remarks about 'foreigners' she delights in just staying silent while they say whatever they're saying, then coldly saying "do you mean me?" and watching them squirm. What's remarkable is how many times she's been told now she's "not a real foreigner".
(unless you're up in court or something, I suppose, I'm not a rebel).
But whatever age it is, there was no party.
Probably the most valuable 8 hours of my schooling. Prepped for uni, but you'll never fully replicate the raw familiarity of a small town night out, where you know everyone and are entirely comfortable in your environment.
I appreciate that year 6 in England is different to 6th year...
When people rant about those who are foreign born, well, that includes her and a plethora of other people who migrated to this country and married people who were born here and are settled down with kids here.
So maybe engage your braincells before going on racist tirades without thinking, or stand by the statement if you mean it.
Innocent times by the sound of things.
I know I am on the spectrum, though obviously functioning. Was *really* struggling. And then realised that I was stimming.
Wowsers. Never done that before.
So if we fell on hard times then we should be excluded because she was born abroad and I've moved for work. We should discriminate against those who have 'got on their bike' in the past?
Stop feigning some sort of affront - it's worse than an SNP supporter.
(This was 6th form not year six, I now feel the need to clarify having reread the OP).
And another piece of the NHS enters the late 20th century.
Should the US deny rights to its foreign-born, like Donald Trump's third wife, Donald Trump's first wife, Donald Trump's mother, Ted Cruz, Amy Adams, etc.
To be fair.
Not just non-citizen occupants. No, every one of them.
You don't see an issue with that?
She's a British citizen, who has given up the passport of the country she was born in, and raises her children here. As is the case with plenty of other people just like her, many of whom yes do live in social housing, but william suggests "every" one of them should "self-deport".
Not just citizens born in the country.
I managed to avoid the latter, but I did pick up a very unhealthy relationship with alcohol.
So for families just like mine that do today live in social housing, what happens if william gets his way when one person is told "sorry the house is not for you anymore as you weren't born here" when others in the household were born here?
Or was william just spouting racist bullshit with no serious thought behind it?