Well, it's not fines for foul language, it's fine if a police office has told you to stop...
The big partisan difference is how much Tories support it compared to the other three parties!
Its bollocks. The Police should not be able to charge you or fine you for anything that is not actually against a speciific law.
Disobeying a Police officer is not in itself illegal, unless they are acting to enforce a specific law, nor should it be. We are not French after all.
Can a council impose laws like this? Sounds a bit iffy.
Through a PSPO, after consultation, and time limited to three years, yes. As noted above, in the first instance the power is simply to ask the person to desist.
The PSPO process is designed to allow imposition of rules on almost no evidence, and resistance almost futile - as challenges are iirc High Court and have to be made very quickly. They are Captain Mainwaring's dream world.
Mansfield Independents had a couple of teens doing wheelies on the bikes on about two occasions on a Saturday afternoon, and tried to impose a cycling ban 24/7 across the whole town centre.
It took CyclingUK's Cyclists Defence Fund piling in in support 5 local claimants before they would even back down slightly, and put a bandwidth on the hours - I think it is 7:30am to 7:30pm or something, but I've hardly been there in 7 years now.
What happens of course is that the Enforcement Officers can't catch the teens who were hardly ever there anyway, so they go for mums with toddlers, and 70-80 year olds doing 4mph, and disabled people. And the kids going to the sports centre were confined to pushing their bikes through a dark and deserted town centre, or forced onto the inner ring road.
it can be done better - eg Coventry or Leicester. But they aren't usually interested.
A public enquiry into Orgreave, which Starmer has announced today, is long overdue and at last a good decision.
It's over 40 years ago though. What the hell is it going to unearth?
Next - the Battle of the Beanfield?
It depends how much it's allowed to unearth. The security services were likely involved in both cases, wifh the MoD police in the case of thd Beanfield.
Even with the likely official stonewalling, some of the people involved deserve at least an attempt at some answers.
Well, it's not fines for foul language, it's fine if a police office has told you to stop...
The big partisan difference is how much Tories support it compared to the other three parties!
Its bollocks. The Police should not be able to charge you or fine you for anything that is not actually against a speciific law.
Disobeying a Police officer is not in itself illegal, unless they are acting to enforce a specific law, nor should it be. We are not French after all.
Can a council impose laws like this? Sounds a bit iffy.
Through a PSPO, after consultation, and time limited to three years, yes. As noted above, in the first instance the power is simply to ask the person to desist.
Given that the default reply is going to be f*** off - would that be enough to trigger a fine..
Well it can't be both. If he's clueless then he's not giving such a false answer on purpose which isn't a lie. A lie has to be purposeful.
Indeed, though he can be neither. For instance, thanks to MattW's sterling work, I know there are lots of wheelchair-blocking cattle grids around the country but could not point to any.
"Klaus Schwab, the face of the Davos conference in Switzerland for years, allegedly intervened in the WEF’s annual Global Competitiveness Report, which ranks countries on productivity and long-term prosperity.
In the 2017/2018 report, the UK’s ranking improved from seventh to fourth after a change in methodology.
But Mr Schwab, 87, wrote to staff that the UK “must not see any improvement”, as otherwise it would be “exploited by the Brexit camp”.
The final report published in 2017 showed the UK had dropped one place to eighth."
Well, it's not fines for foul language, it's fine if a police office has told you to stop...
The big partisan difference is how much Tories support it compared to the other three parties!
Its bollocks. The Police should not be able to charge you or fine you for anything that is not actually against a speciific law.
Disobeying a Police officer is not in itself illegal, unless they are acting to enforce a specific law, nor should it be. We are not French after all.
Can a council impose laws like this? Sounds a bit iffy.
Through a PSPO, after consultation, and time limited to three years, yes. As noted above, in the first instance the power is simply to ask the person to desist.
Given that the default reply is going to be f*** off - would that be enough to trigger a fine..
A public enquiry into Orgreave, which Starmer has announced today, is long overdue and at last a good decision.
It's over 40 years ago though. What the hell is it going to unearth?
Next - the Battle of the Beanfield?
It depends how much it's allowed to unearth. The security services were likely involved in both cases, wifh the MoD police in the case of thd Beanfield.
Even with the likely official stonewalling, some of the people involved deserve at least an attempt at some answers.
I expect it will find the miners were swearing.
And the police were not.
KERCHING for the lawyers though.
Indeed. It could be a whitewash, but let's hope that is isn't.
Somebody on the previous thread was suggesting Vance is on manoeuvres over Trump.
Interesting question. If Vance actually shoots Trump because of great desire to take the top job his fear that Trump is senile, would he then be OK under the Presidential Immunity Ruling the Supreme Cucks came up with?
Wasn't the ruling that the Dear Leader can do whatever he likes while in office, so long as He has an (R) next to his name?
Vance isn't Dear Leader yet, so isn't in office yet. Though he does have the (R) so that'll help him.
But if he kills Trump, Vance will then be President and, according to multiple recent Supreme Court rulings, thus above the law.
The ruling was that he's above the law for actions done while President, as President. Hence why ex-President Trump couldn't be prosecuted for crimes committed as POTUS.
Vance wouldn't have been POTUS when he pulled the trigger.
Obviously all Americans have the right to pull triggers whenever they want. Trump wasn't dead when Vance pulled the trigger, so it wasn't murder. At the point Trump was dead and it became murder, Vance also became President.
Or some similar guff. The Republican stooges on the Supreme Court will come up with whatever Vance needs.
I seem to recall there was a bizarre story from an Asian country (maybe Thailand) a few years ago where the Prince murdered his family.
As I recall it the local media struggled to report the news, as it was illegal to criticise the monarch, and by killing his dad he'd become King.
At least the Supreme Cucks haven't (yet) reinterpreted the First Amendment as forbidding any criticism of the President.
"Klaus Schwab, the face of the Davos conference in Switzerland for years, allegedly intervened in the WEF’s annual Global Competitiveness Report, which ranks countries on productivity and long-term prosperity.
In the 2017/2018 report, the UK’s ranking improved from seventh to fourth after a change in methodology.
But Mr Schwab, 87, wrote to staff that the UK “must not see any improvement”, as otherwise it would be “exploited by the Brexit camp”.
The final report published in 2017 showed the UK had dropped one place to eighth."
Doesn't have to be a conspiracy. Simply one very powerful man abusing his position.
No one seems to be denying it either and it was the board of the WEF who instigated the investigations.
Somebody on the previous thread was suggesting Vance is on manoeuvres over Trump.
Interesting question. If Vance actually shoots Trump because of great desire to take the top job his fear that Trump is senile, would he then be OK under the Presidential Immunity Ruling the Supreme Cucks came up with?
Wasn't the ruling that the Dear Leader can do whatever he likes while in office, so long as He has an (R) next to his name?
Vance isn't Dear Leader yet, so isn't in office yet. Though he does have the (R) so that'll help him.
But if he kills Trump, Vance will then be President and, according to multiple recent Supreme Court rulings, thus above the law.
The ruling was that he's above the law for actions done while President, as President. Hence why ex-President Trump couldn't be prosecuted for crimes committed as POTUS.
Vance wouldn't have been POTUS when he pulled the trigger.
Obviously all Americans have the right to pull triggers whenever they want. Trump wasn't dead when Vance pulled the trigger, so it wasn't murder. At the point Trump was dead and it became murder, Vance also became President.
Or some similar guff. The Republican stooges on the Supreme Court will come up with whatever Vance needs.
I seem to recall there was a bizarre story from an Asian country (maybe Thailand) a few years ago where the Prince murdered his family.
As I recall it the local media struggled to report the news, as it was illegal to criticise the monarch, and by killing his dad he'd become King.
At least the Supreme Cucks haven't (yet) reinterpreted the First Amendment as forbidding any criticism of the President.
It was Nepal and he was king for three days until he succumbed to his self inflicted wounds
A public enquiry into Orgreave, which Starmer has announced today, is long overdue and at last a good decision.
It's over 40 years ago though. What the hell is it going to unearth?
Next - the Battle of the Beanfield?
It depends how much it's allowed to unearth. The security services were likely involved in both cases, wifh the MoD police in the case of thd Beanfield.
Even with the likely official stonewalling, some of the people involved deserve at least an attempt at some answers.
I expect it will find the miners were swearing.
And the police were not.
KERCHING for the lawyers though.
Indeed. It could be a whitewash, but let's hope that is isn't.
My understanding (though I may be wrong) is that the BBC have already admitted they reversed the film from the day to show the miners attacking the police first rather than the other way round. It would certainly be interesting to find out who, if anyone, asked for them to do that.
Is it my imagination or are the Americans making a complete mess of unearthing this Epstein business? There are all sorts of dogs that have not yet barked in the night time, most obviously Ghislaine Maxwell, but instead they are tied up on whether Trump sent him a card.
If there was a Trump connection to any of the illegal stuff, Trump himself would not have been feeding the frenzy up till a week ago, and surely the Biden and Kamala campaign teams would have been all over it, but they weren't.
"Klaus Schwab, the face of the Davos conference in Switzerland for years, allegedly intervened in the WEF’s annual Global Competitiveness Report, which ranks countries on productivity and long-term prosperity.
In the 2017/2018 report, the UK’s ranking improved from seventh to fourth after a change in methodology.
But Mr Schwab, 87, wrote to staff that the UK “must not see any improvement”, as otherwise it would be “exploited by the Brexit camp”.
The final report published in 2017 showed the UK had dropped one place to eighth."
Doesn't have to be a conspiracy. Simply one very powerful man abusing his position.
No one seems to be denying it either and it was the board of the WEF who instigated the investigations.
Indeed. It's just that there are a particular brand of conspiracy theorists who are WEF-obssessed...
A public enquiry into Orgreave, which Starmer has announced today, is long overdue and at last a good decision.
It's over 40 years ago though. What the hell is it going to unearth?
Next - the Battle of the Beanfield?
It depends how much it's allowed to unearth. The security services were likely involved in both cases, wifh the MoD police in the case of thd Beanfield.
Even with the likely official stonewalling, some of the people involved deserve at least an attempt at some answers.
I expect it will find the miners were swearing.
And the police were not.
KERCHING for the lawyers though.
Indeed. It could be a whitewash, but let's hope that is isn't.
My understanding (though I may be wrong) is that the BBC have already admitted they reversed the film from the day to show the miners attacking the police first rather than the other way round. It would certainly be interesting to find out who, if anyone, asked for them to do that.
Very similar to the Beanfieid, where the ITN footage of the police attacking disappeared, and then reappeared in a locker 30 years later.
Who knows if the enquiry will be able to see all of this.
Somebody on the previous thread was suggesting Vance is on manoeuvres over Trump.
Interesting question. If Vance actually shoots Trump because of great desire to take the top job his fear that Trump is senile, would he then be OK under the Presidential Immunity Ruling the Supreme Cucks came up with?
Wasn't the ruling that the Dear Leader can do whatever he likes while in office, so long as He has an (R) next to his name?
Vance isn't Dear Leader yet, so isn't in office yet. Though he does have the (R) so that'll help him.
But if he kills Trump, Vance will then be President and, according to multiple recent Supreme Court rulings, thus above the law.
The ruling was that he's above the law for actions done while President, as President. Hence why ex-President Trump couldn't be prosecuted for crimes committed as POTUS.
Vance wouldn't have been POTUS when he pulled the trigger.
Obviously all Americans have the right to pull triggers whenever they want. Trump wasn't dead when Vance pulled the trigger, so it wasn't murder. At the point Trump was dead and it became murder, Vance also became President.
Or some similar guff. The Republican stooges on the Supreme Court will come up with whatever Vance needs.
I seem to recall there was a bizarre story from an Asian country (maybe Thailand) a few years ago where the Prince murdered his family.
As I recall it the local media struggled to report the news, as it was illegal to criticise the monarch, and by killing his dad he'd become King.
At least the Supreme Cucks haven't (yet) reinterpreted the First Amendment as forbidding any criticism of the President.
It was Nepal and he was king for three days until he succumbed to his self inflicted wounds
Well it can't be both. If he's clueless then he's not giving such a false answer on purpose which isn't a lie. A lie has to be purposeful.
Indeed, though he can be neither. For instance, thanks to MattW's sterling work, I know there are lots of wheelchair-blocking cattle grids around the country but could not point to any.
One could of course approach the problem from the other end. If all the sheep were immobilised - for example by ensuring that all their legs were removed after one month, and cattle grids would no longer be necessary.
HM Treasury would approve - just think of the CAPEX saved, and early cashflow from legs of lamb to help the farmers' finances, to boot.
Somebody on the previous thread was suggesting Vance is on manoeuvres over Trump.
Interesting question. If Vance actually shoots Trump because of great desire to take the top job his fear that Trump is senile, would he then be OK under the Presidential Immunity Ruling the Supreme Cucks came up with?
Wasn't the ruling that the Dear Leader can do whatever he likes while in office, so long as He has an (R) next to his name?
Vance isn't Dear Leader yet, so isn't in office yet. Though he does have the (R) so that'll help him.
But if he kills Trump, Vance will then be President and, according to multiple recent Supreme Court rulings, thus above the law.
The ruling was that he's above the law for actions done while President, as President. Hence why ex-President Trump couldn't be prosecuted for crimes committed as POTUS.
Vance wouldn't have been POTUS when he pulled the trigger.
Obviously all Americans have the right to pull triggers whenever they want. Trump wasn't dead when Vance pulled the trigger, so it wasn't murder. At the point Trump was dead and it became murder, Vance also became President.
Or some similar guff. The Republican stooges on the Supreme Court will come up with whatever Vance needs.
I seem to recall there was a bizarre story from an Asian country (maybe Thailand) a few years ago where the Prince murdered his family.
As I recall it the local media struggled to report the news, as it was illegal to criticise the monarch, and by killing his dad he'd become King.
At least the Supreme Cucks haven't (yet) reinterpreted the First Amendment as forbidding any criticism of the President.
It was Nepal and he was king for three days until he succumbed to his self inflicted wounds
Somebody on the previous thread was suggesting Vance is on manoeuvres over Trump.
Interesting question. If Vance actually shoots Trump because of great desire to take the top job his fear that Trump is senile, would he then be OK under the Presidential Immunity Ruling the Supreme Cucks came up with?
Wasn't the ruling that the Dear Leader can do whatever he likes while in office, so long as He has an (R) next to his name?
Vance isn't Dear Leader yet, so isn't in office yet. Though he does have the (R) so that'll help him.
But if he kills Trump, Vance will then be President and, according to multiple recent Supreme Court rulings, thus above the law.
The ruling was that he's above the law for actions done while President, as President. Hence why ex-President Trump couldn't be prosecuted for crimes committed as POTUS.
Vance wouldn't have been POTUS when he pulled the trigger.
Obviously all Americans have the right to pull triggers whenever they want. Trump wasn't dead when Vance pulled the trigger, so it wasn't murder. At the point Trump was dead and it became murder, Vance also became President.
Or some similar guff. The Republican stooges on the Supreme Court will come up with whatever Vance needs.
I seem to recall there was a bizarre story from an Asian country (maybe Thailand) a few years ago where the Prince murdered his family.
As I recall it the local media struggled to report the news, as it was illegal to criticise the monarch, and by killing his dad he'd become King.
At least the Supreme Cucks haven't (yet) reinterpreted the First Amendment as forbidding any criticism of the President.
It was Nepal and he was king for three days until he succumbed to his self inflicted wounds
"The first batch of homemade lingonberry liqueur was created in December 2016 using vodka, sugar, and lingonberries" Lingonberries - "puolukka" - are packed with antioxidants and body-boosting nutrients and has many healing and nutritional properties
Somebody on the previous thread was suggesting Vance is on manoeuvres over Trump.
Interesting question. If Vance actually shoots Trump because of great desire to take the top job his fear that Trump is senile, would he then be OK under the Presidential Immunity Ruling the Supreme Cucks came up with?
Wasn't the ruling that the Dear Leader can do whatever he likes while in office, so long as He has an (R) next to his name?
Vance isn't Dear Leader yet, so isn't in office yet. Though he does have the (R) so that'll help him.
But if he kills Trump, Vance will then be President and, according to multiple recent Supreme Court rulings, thus above the law.
The ruling was that he's above the law for actions done while President, as President. Hence why ex-President Trump couldn't be prosecuted for crimes committed as POTUS.
Vance wouldn't have been POTUS when he pulled the trigger.
Obviously all Americans have the right to pull triggers whenever they want. Trump wasn't dead when Vance pulled the trigger, so it wasn't murder. At the point Trump was dead and it became murder, Vance also became President.
Or some similar guff. The Republican stooges on the Supreme Court will come up with whatever Vance needs.
I seem to recall there was a bizarre story from an Asian country (maybe Thailand) a few years ago where the Prince murdered his family.
As I recall it the local media struggled to report the news, as it was illegal to criticise the monarch, and by killing his dad he'd become King.
At least the Supreme Cucks haven't (yet) reinterpreted the First Amendment as forbidding any criticism of the President.
It was Nepal and he was king for three days until he succumbed to his self inflicted wounds
Is it my imagination or are the Americans making a complete mess of unearthing this Epstein business? There are all sorts of dogs that have not yet barked in the night time, most obviously Ghislaine Maxwell, but instead they are tied up on whether Trump sent him a card.
If there was a Trump connection to any of the illegal stuff, Trump himself would not have been feeding the frenzy up till a week ago, and surely the Biden and Kamala campaign teams would have been all over it, but they weren't.
I'm honestly not sure. The Trump/Epstein ties go way back - as does Trump's involvement in "modelling contests", which was one of the ways Epstein recruited his victims.
It would not surprise me in the slightest if there is evidence somewhere implicating Trump, and that the Biden administration obsession with process (see also the not exactly rapid investigation of Jan 6th etc) meant it didn't emerge while he was in office. Also the DOJ was not then as nakedly partisan as it is now. And don't forget Epstein had already died during Trump's first presidency, so there was no open case to pursue (which was very convenient for some politicians on both sides of the aisle).
The WSJ presumably went with the note as they had evidence substantiating it.
Top tip: learn some swear words in an obscure language that the copper or person with the clipboard won't understand.
FPT on Finland and a segue to obscure languages. In the Sami (not Sumi) Parliament in Inari, they have simultaneous translation from Finnish to 3 Sumi languages (or dialects if you prefer). There are 10 or more.
Davvisámegiella is Northern Sami and the most widely spoken, so use one of the others.
Is it my imagination or are the Americans making a complete mess of unearthing this Epstein business? There are all sorts of dogs that have not yet barked in the night time, most obviously Ghislaine Maxwell, but instead they are tied up on whether Trump sent him a card.
If there was a Trump connection to any of the illegal stuff, Trump himself would not have been feeding the frenzy up till a week ago, and surely the Biden and Kamala campaign teams would have been all over it, but they weren't.
I'm honestly not sure. The Trump/Epstein ties go way back - as does Trump's involvement in "modelling contests", which was one of the ways Epstein recruited his victims.
It would not surprise me in the slightest if there is evidence somewhere implicating Trump, and that the Biden administration obsession with process (see also the not exactly rapid investigation of Jan 6th etc) meant it didn't emerge while he was in office. Also the DOJ was not then as nakedly partisan as it is now. And don't forget Epstein had already died during Trump's first presidency, so there was no open case to pursue (which was very convenient for some politicians on both sides of the aisle).
The WSJ presumably went with the note as they had evidence substantiating it.
I don’t buy it.
If there was straight up evidence against Trump in the pile of information from the Epstein case, it would have come out by now.
This is looking more and more like all the other “We’ve got him” cases.
"The first batch of homemade lingonberry liqueur was created in December 2016 using vodka, sugar, and lingonberries" Lingonberries - "puolukka" - are packed with antioxidants and body-boosting nutrients and has many healing and nutritional properties
You have limoncello after a fine meal, looking out over Capri or the Amalfi coast, and it tastes like nectar from the gods. So you buy a bottle to take home, and on a rainy day in winter you open it to recapture some of that summer spirit, and find that it has turned into a foul sickly-sweet syrup that tastes like liquid air freshener. After a year or two of sitting in the cupboard, having been rejected by all of your wiser visitors, it gets tipped down the drain.
I wonder whether Lingoncello, which tasted pretty good here after my riverfish and two-ways reindeer, looking out over the lake, works the same way?
Somebody on the previous thread was suggesting Vance is on manoeuvres over Trump.
Interesting question. If Vance actually shoots Trump because of great desire to take the top job his fear that Trump is senile, would he then be OK under the Presidential Immunity Ruling the Supreme Cucks came up with?
Wasn't the ruling that the Dear Leader can do whatever he likes while in office, so long as He has an (R) next to his name?
Vance isn't Dear Leader yet, so isn't in office yet. Though he does have the (R) so that'll help him.
But if he kills Trump, Vance will then be President and, according to multiple recent Supreme Court rulings, thus above the law.
The ruling was that he's above the law for actions done while President, as President. Hence why ex-President Trump couldn't be prosecuted for crimes committed as POTUS.
Vance wouldn't have been POTUS when he pulled the trigger.
Obviously all Americans have the right to pull triggers whenever they want. Trump wasn't dead when Vance pulled the trigger, so it wasn't murder. At the point Trump was dead and it became murder, Vance also became President.
Or some similar guff. The Republican stooges on the Supreme Court will come up with whatever Vance needs.
I seem to recall there was a bizarre story from an Asian country (maybe Thailand) a few years ago where the Prince murdered his family.
As I recall it the local media struggled to report the news, as it was illegal to criticise the monarch, and by killing his dad he'd become King.
At least the Supreme Cucks haven't (yet) reinterpreted the First Amendment as forbidding any criticism of the President.
It was Nepal and he was king for three days until he succumbed to his self inflicted wounds
"The first batch of homemade lingonberry liqueur was created in December 2016 using vodka, sugar, and lingonberries" Lingonberries - "puolukka" - are packed with antioxidants and body-boosting nutrients and has many healing and nutritional properties
Is lingonberries a thing outwith IKEA? I thought it was a made up brand to go with smäfārts swivel chairs etc.
Is it my imagination or are the Americans making a complete mess of unearthing this Epstein business? There are all sorts of dogs that have not yet barked in the night time, most obviously Ghislaine Maxwell, but instead they are tied up on whether Trump sent him a card.
If there was a Trump connection to any of the illegal stuff, Trump himself would not have been feeding the frenzy up till a week ago, and surely the Biden and Kamala campaign teams would have been all over it, but they weren't.
I'm honestly not sure. The Trump/Epstein ties go way back - as does Trump's involvement in "modelling contests", which was one of the ways Epstein recruited his victims.
It would not surprise me in the slightest if there is evidence somewhere implicating Trump, and that the Biden administration obsession with process (see also the not exactly rapid investigation of Jan 6th etc) meant it didn't emerge while he was in office. Also the DOJ was not then as nakedly partisan as it is now. And don't forget Epstein had already died during Trump's first presidency, so there was no open case to pursue (which was very convenient for some politicians on both sides of the aisle).
The WSJ presumably went with the note as they had evidence substantiating it.
I don’t buy it.
If there was straight up evidence against Trump in the pile of information from the Epstein case, it would have come out by now.
This is looking more and more like all the other “We’ve got him” cases.
"The first batch of homemade lingonberry liqueur was created in December 2016 using vodka, sugar, and lingonberries" Lingonberries - "puolukka" - are packed with antioxidants and body-boosting nutrients and has many healing and nutritional properties
Is lingonberries a thing outwith IKEA? I thought it was a made up brand to go with smäfārts swivel chairs etc.
Is it my imagination or are the Americans making a complete mess of unearthing this Epstein business? There are all sorts of dogs that have not yet barked in the night time, most obviously Ghislaine Maxwell, but instead they are tied up on whether Trump sent him a card.
If there was a Trump connection to any of the illegal stuff, Trump himself would not have been feeding the frenzy up till a week ago, and surely the Biden and Kamala campaign teams would have been all over it, but they weren't.
I'm not sure that's necessarily true. Trump has - to use a finance term - a very high discount rate. He's not looking at what might harm him next year, he's looking at what might advantage him in the next week. Future stuff is of no concern, compared to what it brings him now.
QAnon and the MAGA were obsessed with the idea that top Democrats were (are) paedophiles. Epstein was a paedophile.
Therefore Epstein and the Dems need to be uncovered. And Trump rode that. What better way to win, than to convince your supporters that you are fighting a moral battle against the forces of evil - and paedophilia is pretty obviously about as evil as it gets.
The fact that Trump himself and Epstein were friendly for a long time was of absolutely no concern to Trump, because he never thought about what happens next, only about what advantages him now.
Is it my imagination or are the Americans making a complete mess of unearthing this Epstein business? There are all sorts of dogs that have not yet barked in the night time, most obviously Ghislaine Maxwell, but instead they are tied up on whether Trump sent him a card.
If there was a Trump connection to any of the illegal stuff, Trump himself would not have been feeding the frenzy up till a week ago, and surely the Biden and Kamala campaign teams would have been all over it, but they weren't.
I'm honestly not sure. The Trump/Epstein ties go way back - as does Trump's involvement in "modelling contests", which was one of the ways Epstein recruited his victims.
It would not surprise me in the slightest if there is evidence somewhere implicating Trump, and that the Biden administration obsession with process (see also the not exactly rapid investigation of Jan 6th etc) meant it didn't emerge while he was in office. Also the DOJ was not then as nakedly partisan as it is now. And don't forget Epstein had already died during Trump's first presidency, so there was no open case to pursue (which was very convenient for some politicians on both sides of the aisle).
The WSJ presumably went with the note as they had evidence substantiating it.
I don’t buy it.
If there was straight up evidence against Trump in the pile of information from the Epstein case, it would have come out by now.
This is looking more and more like all the other “We’ve got him” cases.
Is it my imagination or are the Americans making a complete mess of unearthing this Epstein business? There are all sorts of dogs that have not yet barked in the night time, most obviously Ghislaine Maxwell, but instead they are tied up on whether Trump sent him a card.
If there was a Trump connection to any of the illegal stuff, Trump himself would not have been feeding the frenzy up till a week ago, and surely the Biden and Kamala campaign teams would have been all over it, but they weren't.
I'm not sure that's necessarily true. Trump has - to use a finance term - a very high discount rate. He's not looking at what might harm him next year, he's looking at what might advantage him in the next week. Future stuff is of no concern, compared to what it brings him now.
QAnon and the MAGA were obsessed with the idea that top Democrats were (are) paedophiles. Epstein was a paedophile.
Therefore Epstein and the Dems need to be uncovered. And Trump rode that. What better way to win, than to convince your supporters that you are fighting a moral battle against the forces of evil - and paedophilia is pretty obviously about as evil as it gets.
The fact that Trump himself and Epstein were friendly for a long time was of absolutely no concern to Trump, because he never thought about what happens next, only about what advantages him now.
..Until Musk tweeted about this, about two months ago.
Unheralded, this seems to what launched all the trouble for Trump about this, amongst his own supporters. Before this, I would always the see MAGAists dismiss the idea as "Democrat news".
"The first batch of homemade lingonberry liqueur was created in December 2016 using vodka, sugar, and lingonberries" Lingonberries - "puolukka" - are packed with antioxidants and body-boosting nutrients and has many healing and nutritional properties
Is lingonberries a thing outwith IKEA? I thought it was a made up brand to go with smäfārts swivel chairs etc.
Apparently the British name for them is Cowberry, because cows love to eat them. Although I am not aware they're common outside scatterings in Scotland, anyhow? Up here, they are everywhere, and Reindeer eat them. They look like redcurrants and have a sour taste, actually related not to redcurrants but to cranberry and blueberry.
Somebody on the previous thread was suggesting Vance is on manoeuvres over Trump.
Interesting question. If Vance actually shoots Trump because of great desire to take the top job his fear that Trump is senile, would he then be OK under the Presidential Immunity Ruling the Supreme Cucks came up with?
Wasn't the ruling that the Dear Leader can do whatever he likes while in office, so long as He has an (R) next to his name?
Vance isn't Dear Leader yet, so isn't in office yet. Though he does have the (R) so that'll help him.
But if he kills Trump, Vance will then be President and, according to multiple recent Supreme Court rulings, thus above the law.
The ruling was that he's above the law for actions done while President, as President. Hence why ex-President Trump couldn't be prosecuted for crimes committed as POTUS.
Vance wouldn't have been POTUS when he pulled the trigger.
Obviously all Americans have the right to pull triggers whenever they want. Trump wasn't dead when Vance pulled the trigger, so it wasn't murder. At the point Trump was dead and it became murder, Vance also became President.
Or some similar guff. The Republican stooges on the Supreme Court will come up with whatever Vance needs.
Anybody know whether Vance still gets his own two terms if he takes over for a 25th-incapacitated term? Even if it were tomorrow?
We could be looking at ten years of somebody worse than Trump. After all, Trump claimed to know nothing about Project 2025*, whilst Vance was in bed with the writers.
*Yes, I know that was Trumpian horse-shit...
Yes, as LBJ and Truman did.
However any Vance administration would need to get its approval ratings up closer to 50% than Trump's current 40% approval to be re elected
Wrong.
LBJ took over in November 1963 so was past the halfway point, which is why he would have been eligible to seek a 2nd full term.
Truman took over in the 1st half but the constitutional amendment giving the restrictions explicitly didn't apply to Truman.
If Vance took over today he'd be in the first half so only eligible to one full term.
Zero chance he takes over today unless Trump dies, at the earliest he takes over after a GOP trouncing in the midterms next year
The question was "if it were tomorrow?"
If he takes over tomorrow its one term.
If he takes over in the couple of months after the midterms but before 20 January 2027 its still one term.
Only from 20 January 2027 (or whenever the halfway point is if I'm wrong on that) does it become two terms.
Though the Americans unlike us don't change leaders due to unpopularity anyway so the midterms are neither here nor there. Its death that causes Americans to leave the Oval Office early.
They change Speakers of the House regularly who have some of the powers our PM does.
Even some Presidents resign midterm, as Nixon did after Watergate before he was impeached
As much as many of us would like to see Trump be implicated re Epstein I just don’t think there’s anything in those files .
The Dems had the WH for 4 years and if there was anything it would have been released . For that reason I can’t understand why Trump has made such a drama over releasing the files if they do indeed exist .
My next visit to PB will my 25,000th visit since Vanilla came into operation. It rather brings to my mind the George Best quote, "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."
God knows how many hours I have spent amusing myself or more often being amused on PB. But I am very sure my life would have been duller without it.
"The first batch of homemade lingonberry liqueur was created in December 2016 using vodka, sugar, and lingonberries" Lingonberries - "puolukka" - are packed with antioxidants and body-boosting nutrients and has many healing and nutritional properties
Is lingonberries a thing outwith IKEA? I thought it was a made up brand to go with smäfārts swivel chairs etc.
Apparently the British name for them is Cowberry, because cows love to eat them. Although I am not aware they're common outside scatterings in Scotland, anyhow? Up here, they are everywhere, and Reindeer eat them. They look like redcurrants and have a sour taste, actually related not to redcurrants but to cranberry and blueberry.
Ach, forget Lingonberries. The thing we should be concetrating on is Cloudberries. I have had them ofetn in Norway and there is a lovely cloudberry yoghurt you can buy there. Absoutely fabulous.
As much as many of us would like to see Trump be implicated re Epstein I just don’t think there’s anything in those files .
The Dems had the WH for 4 years and if there was anything it would have been released . For that reason I can’t understand why Trump has made such a drama over releasing the files if they do indeed exist .
Not if some high profile Dems are in there. And if Trump knew this, he may have thought he could refer to them with impunity
And because I can never tell whether FT articles are paywalled or not:-
UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US
Faced with US pressure, the UK is reportedly looking for a way out of its own demands for an iOS backdoor, without also limiting its future ambitions.
In 2024, the UK changed its own laws so that it could demand Apple give it complete access to all iPhone user data worldwide. It also invoked what's known as the Snoopers' Charter, which meant it was legally able to prevent Apple from even revealing the request.
Apple did, though, cause the issue to be revealed by switching off its Advanced Data Protection for UK users, and also lobbying the US government.
As predicted. HMG needs to understand that any attempts to rein in or tax US tech companies are seen across the Atlantic as attacks on their national champions and Trump donors.
Is it my imagination or are the Americans making a complete mess of unearthing this Epstein business? There are all sorts of dogs that have not yet barked in the night time, most obviously Ghislaine Maxwell, but instead they are tied up on whether Trump sent him a card.
If there was a Trump connection to any of the illegal stuff, Trump himself would not have been feeding the frenzy up till a week ago, and surely the Biden and Kamala campaign teams would have been all over it, but they weren't.
I'm not sure that's necessarily true. Trump has - to use a finance term - a very high discount rate. He's not looking at what might harm him next year, he's looking at what might advantage him in the next week. Future stuff is of no concern, compared to what it brings him now.
QAnon and the MAGA were obsessed with the idea that top Democrats were (are) paedophiles. Epstein was a paedophile.
Therefore Epstein and the Dems need to be uncovered. And Trump rode that. What better way to win, than to convince your supporters that you are fighting a moral battle against the forces of evil - and paedophilia is pretty obviously about as evil as it gets.
The fact that Trump himself and Epstein were friendly for a long time was of absolutely no concern to Trump, because he never thought about what happens next, only about what advantages him now.
It might be that he simply thinks that what he's done in the past is fine, but when his enemies do it, it's wrong. He can't do wrong, because he's good.
Many people have this sort of self-denial, albeit not usually over something so dramatic and sick.
"The first batch of homemade lingonberry liqueur was created in December 2016 using vodka, sugar, and lingonberries" Lingonberries - "puolukka" - are packed with antioxidants and body-boosting nutrients and has many healing and nutritional properties
Is lingonberries a thing outwith IKEA? I thought it was a made up brand to go with smäfārts swivel chairs etc.
Apparently the British name for them is Cowberry, because cows love to eat them. Although I am not aware they're common outside scatterings in Scotland, anyhow? Up here, they are everywhere, and Reindeer eat them. They look like redcurrants and have a sour taste, actually related not to redcurrants but to cranberry and blueberry.
Ach, forget Lingonberries. The thing we should be concetrating on is Cloudberries. I have had them ofetn in Norway and there is a lovely cloudberry yoghurt you can buy there. Absoutely fabulous.
I didn't like the taste of them so much. A bit mango-passion fruity.
I did however have sea buckthorn berry chutney with cheese, which is very nice.
"The first batch of homemade lingonberry liqueur was created in December 2016 using vodka, sugar, and lingonberries" Lingonberries - "puolukka" - are packed with antioxidants and body-boosting nutrients and has many healing and nutritional properties
Is lingonberries a thing outwith IKEA? I thought it was a made up brand to go with smäfārts swivel chairs etc.
It is indeed. The little red berries (Vaccinium vitis-idaea) are also known as cowberries, red whortleberries, nordic cranberries etc. They are native to Scotland too, though eschewed by the natives outwith the cosy confines of Ikea
And because I can never tell whether FT articles are paywalled or not:-
UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US
Faced with US pressure, the UK is reportedly looking for a way out of its own demands for an iOS backdoor, without also limiting its future ambitions.
In 2024, the UK changed its own laws so that it could demand Apple give it complete access to all iPhone user data worldwide. It also invoked what's known as the Snoopers' Charter, which meant it was legally able to prevent Apple from even revealing the request.
Apple did, though, cause the issue to be revealed by switching off its Advanced Data Protection for UK users, and also lobbying the US government.
As predicted. HMG needs to understand that any attempts to rein in or tax US tech companies are seen across the Atlantic as attacks on their national champions and Trump donors.
In this case, it’s also an attack on the laws of mathematics.
And the bit where they tried to demand worldwide data via secret request was never going to work.
"Klaus Schwab, the face of the Davos conference in Switzerland for years, allegedly intervened in the WEF’s annual Global Competitiveness Report, which ranks countries on productivity and long-term prosperity.
In the 2017/2018 report, the UK’s ranking improved from seventh to fourth after a change in methodology.
But Mr Schwab, 87, wrote to staff that the UK “must not see any improvement”, as otherwise it would be “exploited by the Brexit camp”.
The final report published in 2017 showed the UK had dropped one place to eighth."
Doesn't have to be a conspiracy. Simply one very powerful man abusing his position.
No one seems to be denying it either and it was the board of the WEF who instigated the investigations.
Is it my imagination or are the Americans making a complete mess of unearthing this Epstein business? There are all sorts of dogs that have not yet barked in the night time, most obviously Ghislaine Maxwell, but instead they are tied up on whether Trump sent him a card.
If there was a Trump connection to any of the illegal stuff, Trump himself would not have been feeding the frenzy up till a week ago, and surely the Biden and Kamala campaign teams would have been all over it, but they weren't.
I'm not sure that's necessarily true. Trump has - to use a finance term - a very high discount rate. He's not looking at what might harm him next year, he's looking at what might advantage him in the next week. Future stuff is of no concern, compared to what it brings him now.
QAnon and the MAGA were obsessed with the idea that top Democrats were (are) paedophiles. Epstein was a paedophile.
Therefore Epstein and the Dems need to be uncovered. And Trump rode that. What better way to win, than to convince your supporters that you are fighting a moral battle against the forces of evil - and paedophilia is pretty obviously about as evil as it gets.
The fact that Trump himself and Epstein were friendly for a long time was of absolutely no concern to Trump, because he never thought about what happens next, only about what advantages him now.
It might be that he simply thinks that what he's done in the past is fine, but when his enemies do it, it's wrong. He can't do wrong, because he's good.
Many people have this sort of self-denial, albeit not usually over something so dramatic and sick.
If Trump has anything to fear, it is probably a change in the zeitgeist or a vibe shift. Things that would have been ok (even if a bit seedy) in decades past are now re-evaluated through modern eyes and condemned. Ask the Masterchef pair.
"The first batch of homemade lingonberry liqueur was created in December 2016 using vodka, sugar, and lingonberries" Lingonberries - "puolukka" - are packed with antioxidants and body-boosting nutrients and has many healing and nutritional properties
Is lingonberries a thing outwith IKEA? I thought it was a made up brand to go with smäfārts swivel chairs etc.
Apparently the British name for them is Cowberry, because cows love to eat them. Although I am not aware they're common outside scatterings in Scotland, anyhow? Up here, they are everywhere, and Reindeer eat them. They look like redcurrants and have a sour taste, actually related not to redcurrants but to cranberry and blueberry.
Ach, forget Lingonberries. The thing we should be concetrating on is Cloudberries. I have had them ofetn in Norway and there is a lovely cloudberry yoghurt you can buy there. Absoutely fabulous.
I didn't like the taste of them so much. A bit mango-passion fruity.
I did however have sea buckthorn berry chutney with cheese, which is very nice.
That grows in Scotland too, and I've seen a special device for collecting and juicing them on the bush while avoiding the vicious thorns
"The first batch of homemade lingonberry liqueur was created in December 2016 using vodka, sugar, and lingonberries" Lingonberries - "puolukka" - are packed with antioxidants and body-boosting nutrients and has many healing and nutritional properties
Is lingonberries a thing outwith IKEA? I thought it was a made up brand to go with smäfārts swivel chairs etc.
Apparently the British name for them is Cowberry, because cows love to eat them. Although I am not aware they're common outside scatterings in Scotland, anyhow? Up here, they are everywhere, and Reindeer eat them. They look like redcurrants and have a sour taste, actually related not to redcurrants but to cranberry and blueberry.
Ach, forget Lingonberries. The thing we should be concetrating on is Cloudberries. I have had them ofetn in Norway and there is a lovely cloudberry yoghurt you can buy there. Absoutely fabulous.
Cowberry (aka lingon) is a pretty common plant, certainly in Scotland - easily confused with bearberry tho. Low growing, typically on moorland. Never tried the berries.
I often see cloudberry out hillwalking - usually in dampish conditions, fairly high up the hillside. Its leaves are distinctive once you get your eye in. And although I've found, and eaten, the fruits (like yellow blackberries), they don't seem to produce many, at least not in Scotland - certainly not worth trying to harvest. Best off from a jar, I'm afraid.
AIUI, and I am not an American lawyer, let alone a Floridian one, the first stage is that it is likely to be dismissed with expenses because Trump did not comply with the pre-action protocols required by that State.
"The first batch of homemade lingonberry liqueur was created in December 2016 using vodka, sugar, and lingonberries" Lingonberries - "puolukka" - are packed with antioxidants and body-boosting nutrients and has many healing and nutritional properties
Is lingonberries a thing outwith IKEA? I thought it was a made up brand to go with smäfārts swivel chairs etc.
Apparently the British name for them is Cowberry, because cows love to eat them. Although I am not aware they're common outside scatterings in Scotland, anyhow? Up here, they are everywhere, and Reindeer eat them. They look like redcurrants and have a sour taste, actually related not to redcurrants but to cranberry and blueberry.
Ach, forget Lingonberries. The thing we should be concetrating on is Cloudberries. I have had them ofetn in Norway and there is a lovely cloudberry yoghurt you can buy there. Absoutely fabulous.
I didn't like the taste of them so much. A bit mango-passion fruity.
I did however have sea buckthorn berry chutney with cheese, which is very nice.
That grows in Scotland too, and I've seen a special device for collecting and juicing them on the bush while avoiding the vicious thorns
Tom Kitchin ofter uses sea buckthorns in his cookery. They grow in profusion near us. I have been tempted to pick some to make Sea Buckthorn Gin, as they are bitter, like sloes, but citrussy.
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
"The first batch of homemade lingonberry liqueur was created in December 2016 using vodka, sugar, and lingonberries" Lingonberries - "puolukka" - are packed with antioxidants and body-boosting nutrients and has many healing and nutritional properties
Is lingonberries a thing outwith IKEA? I thought it was a made up brand to go with smäfārts swivel chairs etc.
Apparently the British name for them is Cowberry, because cows love to eat them. Although I am not aware they're common outside scatterings in Scotland, anyhow? Up here, they are everywhere, and Reindeer eat them. They look like redcurrants and have a sour taste, actually related not to redcurrants but to cranberry and blueberry.
Ach, forget Lingonberries. The thing we should be concetrating on is Cloudberries. I have had them ofetn in Norway and there is a lovely cloudberry yoghurt you can buy there. Absoutely fabulous.
I didn't like the taste of them so much. A bit mango-passion fruity.
I did however have sea buckthorn berry chutney with cheese, which is very nice.
That grows in Scotland too, and I've seen a special device for collecting and juicing them on the bush while avoiding the vicious thorns
Tom Kitchin ofter uses sea buckthorns in his cookery. They grow in profusion near us. I have been tempted to pick some to make Sea Buckthorn Gin, as they are bitter, like sloes, but citrussy.
I swear far, far too much. I worked with some posh public school types in my old spread betting job and, when I said that I was going to try to swear less often, one of them said “Yes you do swear rather a lot don’t you Samuel?”.
I felt such a commoner. But unfortunately that was fifteen to twenty years ago, and it hasn’t stopped me
Is it my imagination or are the Americans making a complete mess of unearthing this Epstein business? There are all sorts of dogs that have not yet barked in the night time, most obviously Ghislaine Maxwell, but instead they are tied up on whether Trump sent him a card.
If there was a Trump connection to any of the illegal stuff, Trump himself would not have been feeding the frenzy up till a week ago, and surely the Biden and Kamala campaign teams would have been all over it, but they weren't.
I'm honestly not sure. The Trump/Epstein ties go way back - as does Trump's involvement in "modelling contests", which was one of the ways Epstein recruited his victims.
It would not surprise me in the slightest if there is evidence somewhere implicating Trump, and that the Biden administration obsession with process (see also the not exactly rapid investigation of Jan 6th etc) meant it didn't emerge while he was in office. Also the DOJ was not then as nakedly partisan as it is now. And don't forget Epstein had already died during Trump's first presidency, so there was no open case to pursue (which was very convenient for some politicians on both sides of the aisle).
The WSJ presumably went with the note as they had evidence substantiating it.
I don’t buy it.
If there was straight up evidence against Trump in the pile of information from the Epstein case, it would have come out by now.
This is looking more and more like all the other “We’ve got him” cases.
Epstein didn't play golf.
Although he has now become something of a bogey man for Trump.
I swear far, far too much. I worked with some posh public school types in my old spread betting job and, when I said that I was going to try to swear less often, one of them said “Yes you do swear rather a lot don’t you Samuel?”.
I felt such a commoner. But unfortunately that was fifteen to twenty years ago, and it hasn’t stopped me
You don't swear much here though - rather less than me I'd have said.
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
I swear far, far too much. I worked with some posh public school types in my old spread betting job and, when I said that I was going to try to swear less often, one of them said “Yes you do swear rather a lot don’t you Samuel?”.
I felt such a commoner. But unfortunately that was fifteen to twenty years ago, and it hasn’t stopped me
You don't swear much here though - rather less than me I'd have said.
I type more nicely than I talk! I think the Essex/Estuary/East London accent lends itself to swearing quite well, so everyone’s at it
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
Clearly for it to work we'd need to have different classifications for swear words. Class A, Class B, Class C, etc. A national consultation can be used to collate views of which swear words fit which categories.
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
Clearly for it to work we'd need to have different classifications for swear words. Class A, Class B, Class C, etc. A national consultation can be used to collate views of which swear words fit which categories.
We might need a David Nutt to tell us thar "wanker" has been wrongly classed as Class A, for instance.
I swear far, far too much. I worked with some posh public school types in my old spread betting job and, when I said that I was going to try to swear less often, one of them said “Yes you do swear rather a lot don’t you Samuel?”.
I felt such a commoner. But unfortunately that was fifteen to twenty years ago, and it hasn’t stopped me
Clearly they weren't that posh.
Proper posh is happy to swear like a trooper. It's the neurotic middle classes who worry about it.
PB did predict this long before Bob J involved himself, back when new housing was Angela Rayner's target.
He means all the mountains of students flat being thrown up in every small city across the UK which will now likely be empty as HE foreign student visa route collapses and future uk students turn to plumbing.
Every single day it seems to me my nearest local town newspaper website announces new planning for a block of student flats.
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
Clearly for it to work we'd need to have different classifications for swear words. Class A, Class B, Class C, etc. A national consultation can be used to collate views of which swear words fit which categories.
We might need a David Nutt to tell us thar "wanker" has been wrongly classed as Class A, for instance.
The C-word is obviously always correctly in Class A. Nutt would approve the continuation of the legislation on that word.
I swear far, far too much. I worked with some posh public school types in my old spread betting job and, when I said that I was going to try to swear less often, one of them said “Yes you do swear rather a lot don’t you Samuel?”.
I felt such a commoner. But unfortunately that was fifteen to twenty years ago, and it hasn’t stopped me
Clearly they weren't that posh.
Proper posh is happy to swear like a trooper. It's the neurotic middle classes who worry about it.
Eg the Duke of fucking Edinburgh and the Princess fucking Royal.
PB did predict this long before Bob J involved himself, back when new housing was Angela Rayner's target.
He means all the mountains of students flat being thrown up in every small city across the UK which will now likely be empty as HE foreign student visa route collapses and future uk students turn to plumbing.
Every single day it seems to me my nearest local town newspaper website announces new planning for a block of student flats.
It's simple. Enrole every migrant into a university course and put them in student accom. At a stroke we have cured multiple problems: migrant housing, collapsing universities. Trebles all round.
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
Clearly for it to work we'd need to have different classifications for swear words. Class A, Class B, Class C, etc. A national consultation can be used to collate views of which swear words fit which categories.
We might need a David Nutt to tell us thar "wanker" has been wrongly classed as Class A, for instance.
I swear far, far too much. I worked with some posh public school types in my old spread betting job and, when I said that I was going to try to swear less often, one of them said “Yes you do swear rather a lot don’t you Samuel?”.
I felt such a commoner. But unfortunately that was fifteen to twenty years ago, and it hasn’t stopped me
Clearly they weren't that posh.
Proper posh is happy to swear like a trooper. It's the neurotic middle classes who worry about it.
Eg the Duke of fucking Edinburgh and the Princess fucking Royal.
The previous Duke I presume?
As spitting image had him - the bloody, bloody, DoE.
PB did predict this long before Bob J involved himself, back when new housing was Angela Rayner's target.
He means all the mountains of students flat being thrown up in every small city across the UK which will now likely be empty as HE foreign student visa route collapses and future uk students turn to plumbing.
Every single day it seems to me my nearest local town newspaper website announces new planning for a block of student flats.
Rebrand it as Government Basic Housing and job done.
PB did predict this long before Bob J involved himself, back when new housing was Angela Rayner's target.
He means all the mountains of students flat being thrown up in every small city across the UK which will now likely be empty as HE foreign student visa route collapses and future uk students turn to plumbing.
Every single day it seems to me my nearest local town newspaper website announces new planning for a block of student flats.
The conspiracists have it that student flats are designed to be converted easily into luxury apartments.
I'm not sure where I stand on swearing. No self-respecting righttie would not be mildly taken with the idea of anti-social little herbets having their foul language slapped out of their mouths by Dixon of Dock Green. Sadly though, as a general principle, I think giving the police more powers isn't a great idea. I'd rather they prove they can exercise the ones they have. And I think for anything to really work, it has to be part of a far wider effort to de-coarsen the public sphere. Which this isn't.
Clearly for it to work we'd need to have different classifications for swear words. Class A, Class B, Class C, etc. A national consultation can be used to collate views of which swear words fit which categories.
We might need a David Nutt to tell us thar "wanker" has been wrongly classed as Class A, for instance.
Or George Carlin to vet which words should never be said and whether they're derivative or not.
"He says motherfucker is a duplication of the word fuck, technically, because fuck is the root form, motherfucker being derivative; therefore, it constitutes duplication. And I said, 'Hey, motherfucker, how did you get my phone number, anyway?'"
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Mansfield Independents had a couple of teens doing wheelies on the bikes on about two occasions on a Saturday afternoon, and tried to impose a cycling ban 24/7 across the whole town centre.
It took CyclingUK's Cyclists Defence Fund piling in in support 5 local claimants before they would even back down slightly, and put a bandwidth on the hours - I think it is 7:30am to 7:30pm or something, but I've hardly been there in 7 years now.
What happens of course is that the Enforcement Officers can't catch the teens who were hardly ever there anyway, so they go for mums with toddlers, and 70-80 year olds doing 4mph, and disabled people. And the kids going to the sports centre were confined to pushing their bikes through a dark and deserted town centre, or forced onto the inner ring road.
it can be done better - eg Coventry or Leicester. But they aren't usually interested.
And the police were not.
KERCHING for the lawyers though.
Case dismissed.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/21/wef-rigged-data-to-make-brexit-look-like-failure/
"Klaus Schwab, the face of the Davos conference in Switzerland for years, allegedly intervened in the WEF’s annual Global Competitiveness Report, which ranks countries on productivity and long-term prosperity.
In the 2017/2018 report, the UK’s ranking improved from seventh to fourth after a change in methodology.
But Mr Schwab, 87, wrote to staff that the UK “must not see any improvement”, as otherwise it would be “exploited by the Brexit camp”.
The final report published in 2017 showed the UK had dropped one place to eighth."
As I recall it the local media struggled to report the news, as it was illegal to criticise the monarch, and by killing his dad he'd become King.
At least the Supreme Cucks haven't (yet) reinterpreted the First Amendment as forbidding any criticism of the President.
No one seems to be denying it either and it was the board of the WEF who instigated the investigations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepalese_royal_massacre
If there was a Trump connection to any of the illegal stuff, Trump himself would not have been feeding the frenzy up till a week ago, and surely the Biden and Kamala campaign teams would have been all over it, but they weren't.
Who knows if the enquiry will be able to see all of this.
HM Treasury would approve - just think of the CAPEX saved, and early cashflow from legs of lamb to help the farmers' finances, to boot.
Lingonberries - "puolukka" - are packed with antioxidants and body-boosting nutrients and has many healing and nutritional properties
And as he became King after the massacre, no investigation could be launched…
(I don’t think he was, at least, not directly. But Gyenendra is a nasty piece of work and he proved a very bad King.)
The Trump/Epstein ties go way back - as does Trump's involvement in "modelling contests", which was one of the ways Epstein recruited his victims.
It would not surprise me in the slightest if there is evidence somewhere implicating Trump, and that the Biden administration obsession with process (see also the not exactly rapid investigation of Jan 6th etc) meant it didn't emerge while he was in office. Also the DOJ was not then as nakedly partisan as it is now.
And don't forget Epstein had already died during Trump's first presidency, so there was no open case to pursue (which was very convenient for some politicians on both sides of the aisle).
The WSJ presumably went with the note as they had evidence substantiating it.
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Tony Blair was elected leader of the Labour Party 31 years ago today
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I turned off replies obvs but still can't get rid of the quote-tweets of wrongness
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Whereas on Bluesky this gets a sprinkling of replies asking if he could come back
https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1947309703186297111
Davvisámegiella is Northern Sami and the most widely spoken, so use one of the others.
If there was straight up evidence against Trump in the pile of information from the Epstein case, it would have come out by now.
This is looking more and more like all the other “We’ve got him” cases.
We are all a test.
I wonder whether Lingoncello, which tasted pretty good here after my riverfish and two-ways reindeer, looking out over the lake, works the same way?
QAnon and the MAGA were obsessed with the idea that top Democrats were (are) paedophiles. Epstein was a paedophile.
Therefore Epstein and the Dems need to be uncovered. And Trump rode that. What better way to win, than to convince your supporters that you are fighting a moral battle against the forces of evil - and paedophilia is pretty obviously about as evil as it gets.
The fact that Trump himself and Epstein were friendly for a long time was of absolutely no concern to Trump, because he never thought about what happens next, only about what advantages him now.
Unheralded, this seems to what launched all the trouble for Trump about this, amongst his own supporters. Before this, I would always the see MAGAists dismiss the idea as "Democrat news".
House regularly who have
some of the powers our PM does.
Even some Presidents resign midterm, as Nixon did after Watergate before he was impeached
(I've never seen Facebook - the most boomer of all forums - so universally opposed to something. "Arrested for a sign!". Heartening.)
The Dems had the WH for 4 years and if there was anything it would have been released . For that reason I can’t understand why Trump has made such a drama over releasing the files if they do indeed exist .
God knows how many hours I have spent amusing myself or more often being amused on PB. But I am very sure my life would have been duller without it.
And if Trump knew this, he may have thought he could refer to them with impunity
Officials fear technology deals with Washington could be impeded after Trump administration weighs in
https://www.ft.com/content/3a3e6dbc-591d-4087-9ad3-11af04f0176f
And because I can never tell whether FT articles are paywalled or not:-
UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US
Faced with US pressure, the UK is reportedly looking for a way out of its own demands for an iOS backdoor, without also limiting its future ambitions.
In 2024, the UK changed its own laws so that it could demand Apple give it complete access to all iPhone user data worldwide. It also invoked what's known as the Snoopers' Charter, which meant it was legally able to prevent Apple from even revealing the request.
Apple did, though, cause the issue to be revealed by switching off its Advanced Data Protection for UK users, and also lobbying the US government.
Now according to the UK's Financial Times, officials within the local government say the country is likely to withdraw its order. Alongside other senior US leaders including Trump, the sources say that the climb down is because of pressure from JD Vance.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/07/21/uk-will-back-down-over-its-demands-on-apple-for-an-encryption-backdoor
As predicted. HMG needs to understand that any attempts to rein in or tax US tech companies are seen across the Atlantic as attacks on their national champions and Trump donors.
Many people have this sort of self-denial, albeit not usually over something so dramatic and sick.
I did however have sea buckthorn berry chutney with cheese, which is very nice.
https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1947188361602728085
Classic.
Luckily this monster has also been taken off our streets. Clearly a danger to life and property.
And the bit where they tried to demand worldwide data via secret request was never going to work.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/oct/11/manchester-man-jailed-tshirt-police
I often see cloudberry out hillwalking - usually in dampish conditions, fairly high up the hillside. Its leaves are distinctive once you get your eye in. And although I've found, and eaten, the fruits (like yellow blackberries), they don't seem to produce many, at least not in Scotland - certainly not worth trying to harvest. Best off from a jar, I'm afraid.
Absolutely not, go fuck yourself @bphillipsonMP. Your policy of Section 28 for trans youth will ruin the lives of generations of queer people. You are despicable scum.
Jul 21, 2025 · 6:54 AM UTC
The copious wonders of nature, again.
But Keir Starmer believes there’s ‘lots of housing’ spare we should be giving to illegal migrants
That’s madness. What is he going on about?
https://x.com/robertjenrick/status/1947303901771784295?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
I felt such a commoner. But unfortunately that was fifteen to twenty years ago, and it hasn’t stopped me
The man is clueless.
No idea whom I can vote for next time, no party seems to take our lack of housing seriously.
Proper posh is happy to swear like a trooper. It's the neurotic middle classes who worry about it.
The other main parties are just as likely to concur the sentiment from Starmer.
Every single day it seems to me my nearest local town newspaper website announces new planning for a block of student flats.
This isn't going away
We will see what the NIMBY surrender in the planning bill does to this commitment.
https://x.com/mtpennycook/status/1947188009507405854?s=61
As spitting image had him - the bloody, bloody, DoE.
"He says motherfucker is a duplication of the word fuck, technically, because fuck is the root form, motherfucker being derivative; therefore, it constitutes duplication. And I said, 'Hey, motherfucker, how did you get my phone number, anyway?'"