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Good news for Farage/bad news for Badenoch, it looks like Suella Braverman won't be defecting

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  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,264
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    The country is drowning in debt and the idiot Lib Dem’s want to spend more

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945507837817303243?s=61

    Hmmm I'm confused
    Sorry, forgetting that all other parties can be criticised but critiquing the Lib Dem’s here is a no no.

    All,good

    Fire up the printer.

    Give people with more than two kids more money

    Heres another 10 billion for the WASPE leeches

    All funded by a wealth tax

    Not economic growth as we don’t want an housebuilding by us, or reservoirs.
    You posted the wrong twitter link...
    Ah, I’m a twerp

    https://x.com/julianheather1/status/1945403813923299822?s=61
    No, you're a right-wing poster who made a mistake, Understandable, and forgivable.

    Since I'm LibDem inclined, and therefore of a kindly nature!
    Right wing ?

    Have you been listening to our resident window licker ?

    I’ve voted Labour all my life in GE’s and probably would vote for Luke Akehurst again if there was an election tomorrow.

    I partly voted for him as I didn’t want my seat having a reform MP, same with the locals. I went Indy. He then joined reform 😂

    I’m fiscally conservative but socially liberal

    What is it with this place where people decide what your politics are irrespective of what they actually are.

    FFS
    Humble apologies.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,653
    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    What’s the Lib Dem strategy with respect to reform, especially as they don’t compete with them in general seat wise.

    They seem obsessed by them

    You have the hammer of the sub postmasters continually banging on about them.

    https://x.com/julianheather1/status/1945403813923299822?s=61

    Mark Pack posts incessantly about them

    Piss diamond twitter accounts obsess about them.

    What’s their angle ?

    They’re the most ideologically opposed to right-wing populism, they stand to gain from anti-Reform voting, and they know that both Labour and Tory are frightened of laying into reform for fear of losing their reform-curious voters.

    If, come the next GE, reform has maintained its pole position (a big if), the issue of the election could be whether British is ready to flirt with the populist right, and the LDs will be well placed to fight a vigorous campaign.

    That’s just not the case given their relative strength, with the exception of parts of Cornwall and Devon is in seats that are a desert for Reform.

    The Lib Dem’s are a southern party, the party of Waitrose and NIMBYism. They have no chance of taking seats where reform are strong in the east coast, midlands or the north.

    They have a strong presence, locally, in part of Durham but the national party doesn’t give a shit about the area. The city of Durham should be either a Lib Dem seat or competitive. Instead we have the cerebral Mary Kelly foy winning all the time
    Yes, but there are voters concerned about reform in every seat.

    Besides, more than half the struggle for the LibDems is coming up with distinctive positions that might register with the voters.
    Free money for the WASPE women, no more building locally.

    Awesome
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,976
    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,782

    Hey Grok

    Can you draw me a Venn diagram of the PBers criticising Starmer for removing the whip from his rebellious MPs and those PBers who praised Boris Johnson for removing the whip from his MPs in 2019.

    I've not criticised either, but the two situations are not comparable.

    Johnson made his vote a confidence one (following precedence of eg Major with Maastricht etc) which means anyone who votes against absolutely should lose the whip, following precedence . . . and all did.

    Starmer did not make his vote a confidence one, and has removed the whip from just four of the forty seven rebels.
    Not this bullshit again, if it was a vote of confidence then why didn't Boris Johnson resign as PM when the vote was lost?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,318
    This is a quite extraordinary number of fatalities for a passenger railway.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article308679915.html
    ...Brightline is the nation’s most dangerous passenger train, reporters found, killing someone every 13 days of service, on average. In addition to those deaths, 99 people have been injured. In at least 101 cases, the train crashed into vehicles, but no one was hurt.

    ...In a written statement, Michael Lefevre, Brightline’s vice president of operations, reiterated what the company has been saying for years — that the deaths were self-inflicted. “These incidents are tragic and avoidable. More than half have been confirmed or suspected suicide — intentional acts of self-harm. All have been the result of illegal, deliberate and oftentimes reckless behavior by people putting themselves in harm’s way.” Lefevre said their actions “impact our guests who count on Brightline to get them to work, the theme parks, or special events.”..


    Florida, naturally.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,782
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    No mate, you're smearing a pollster because you don't like the finding.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,261
    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    I was wrong. Brits really do care about this issue.

    (Just not in the way Leon imagined).
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,653
    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    What’s the Lib Dem strategy with respect to reform, especially as they don’t compete with them in general seat wise.

    They seem obsessed by them

    You have the hammer of the sub postmasters continually banging on about them.

    https://x.com/julianheather1/status/1945403813923299822?s=61

    Mark Pack posts incessantly about them

    Piss diamond twitter accounts obsess about them.

    What’s their angle ?

    They’re the most ideologically opposed to right-wing populism, they stand to gain from anti-Reform voting, and they know that both Labour and Tory are frightened of laying into reform for fear of losing their reform-curious voters.

    If, come the next GE, reform has maintained its pole position (a big if), the issue of the election could be whether British is ready to flirt with the populist right, and the LDs will be well placed to fight a vigorous campaign.

    That’s just not the case given their relative strength, with the exception of parts of Cornwall and Devon is in seats that are a desert for Reform.

    The Lib Dem’s are a southern party, the party of Waitrose and NIMBYism. They have no chance of taking seats where reform are strong in the east coast, midlands or the north.

    They have a strong presence, locally, in part of Durham but the national party doesn’t give a shit about the area. The city of Durham should be either a Lib Dem seat or competitive. Instead we have the cerebral Mary Kelly foy winning all the time
    Yes, but there are voters concerned about reform in every seat.

    Besides, more than half the struggle for the LibDems is coming up with distinctive positions that might register with the voters.
    Free money for the WASPE women, no more building locally.

    Awesome
    Before the last locals, I discussed,with Andrew husband who now leads Durham Council, their DOGE plan which I was roundly abused for saying it was ridiculous and would only enrich the auditors.

    Reform are not fiscally prudent.

    They are NOTA but they are like the others, including the reprehensible Lib Dem’s. They promise people what they want with no idea how to deliver
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,653
    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    I was wrong. Brits really do care about this issue.

    (Just not in the way Leon imagined).
    Fuck them.

    Collaborators.

    Traitors to their own people for western money.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,732

    Hey Grok

    Can you draw me a Venn diagram of the PBers criticising Starmer for removing the whip from his rebellious MPs and those PBers who praised Boris Johnson for removing the whip from his MPs in 2019.

    I've not criticised either, but the two situations are not comparable.

    Johnson made his vote a confidence one (following precedence of eg Major with Maastricht etc) which means anyone who votes against absolutely should lose the whip, following precedence . . . and all did.

    Starmer did not make his vote a confidence one, and has removed the whip from just four of the forty seven rebels.
    Boris had Schrodinger's confidence vote iirc.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,268
    Taz said:

    What’s the Lib Dem strategy with respect to reform, especially as they don’t compete with them in general seat wise.

    They seem obsessed by them

    You have the hammer of the sub postmasters continually banging on about them.

    https://x.com/julianheather1/status/1945403813923299822?s=61

    Mark Pack posts incessantly about them

    Piss diamond twitter accounts obsess about them.

    What’s their angle ?

    They compete with them on a far more existential basis - being the 'none of the above' party.

    The Lib Dems thought they owned the none of the above vote, and for a long time they did, but the Coalition killed that. They've since recovered, helped by the Tories declining, but if Reform stake out a claim to be the primary none of the above party then that is an existential threat to the Lib Dems primary raison d'etre.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,261
    Nigelb said:

    This is a quite extraordinary number of fatalities for a passenger railway.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article308679915.html
    ...Brightline is the nation’s most dangerous passenger train, reporters found, killing someone every 13 days of service, on average. In addition to those deaths, 99 people have been injured. In at least 101 cases, the train crashed into vehicles, but no one was hurt.

    ...In a written statement, Michael Lefevre, Brightline’s vice president of operations, reiterated what the company has been saying for years — that the deaths were self-inflicted. “These incidents are tragic and avoidable. More than half have been confirmed or suspected suicide — intentional acts of self-harm. All have been the result of illegal, deliberate and oftentimes reckless behavior by people putting themselves in harm’s way.” Lefevre said their actions “impact our guests who count on Brightline to get them to work, the theme parks, or special events.”..


    Florida, naturally.

    The YouTube compilations are extraordinary. Many Americans have absolutely no concept of public transport - coupled with a libertarian streak and you get endless level crossing crashes.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,268

    Hey Grok

    Can you draw me a Venn diagram of the PBers criticising Starmer for removing the whip from his rebellious MPs and those PBers who praised Boris Johnson for removing the whip from his MPs in 2019.

    I've not criticised either, but the two situations are not comparable.

    Johnson made his vote a confidence one (following precedence of eg Major with Maastricht etc) which means anyone who votes against absolutely should lose the whip, following precedence . . . and all did.

    Starmer did not make his vote a confidence one, and has removed the whip from just four of the forty seven rebels.
    Not this bullshit again, if it was a vote of confidence then why didn't Boris Johnson resign as PM when the vote was lost?
    Because there is no obligation to do so, the obligation is to do so or call for an election. He did the latter, but the Opposition were too frit to vote for it under the Fixed Term Parliament Act.

    Any other questions?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,732
    Your party caused all of this. You should be in hiding.
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1945094485215457502

    Nigel Farage replies to Chris Philp's Jenrick-alike walk-n-talk tweet.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,046

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    No mate, you're smearing a pollster because you don't like the finding.
    Leading questions
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,675
    edited July 16
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Regardless of the "national mood", I find it pretty hard to excuse misleading Parliament for such a length of time.

    There are two separate issues here, and a two year super injunction is in no way justified by support for the Afghans in question, IMO.
    I usually don't have a lot of time for Lewis Goodall, but hearing his experience and it wasn't just him, it was the Mail, the Times and more, I found rather dystopian. And they are still being silenced. The Mail has stated there is a second injunction against discussing what they know about individuals who have been brought here.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,976
    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    I was wrong. Brits really do care about this issue.

    (Just not in the way Leon imagined).
    Fuck them.

    Collaborators.

    Traitors to their own people for western money.
    Most people are nice. If you ask a question in the way YouGov have done - "was it right to keep a secret to save the lives of our Afghan allies"? Of course they will say Yes

    Indeed, given the way it is phrased I might have said Yes

    The consequences of this monumental lie will occur downstream, as it all sinks in to the wider electorate. It is already scandalising the chatterati. Give it a few weeks and months to percolate

    Anyone supporting the government here is a REDACTED REDACTED
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,233
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,268

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    No mate, you're smearing a pollster because you don't like the finding.
    Leading questions
    We need the perfect balanced sample.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,675

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    Large chunks of the media thought this was Watergate-que level scandal.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,976

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    The poll, nonetheless, is farcical

    In more important news, it turns out painting radiators is EASY PEASY
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,318
    I'm more interested to see the next few polls on this one.
    Reporter: Are you saying that you’re effectively disowning your supporters who keep asking to see the Epstein files?

    Trump: I’ve lost a lot of faith in certain people, yeah

    https://x.com/SollenbergerRC/status/1945519657047273512

    How would Leon pose the question ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,782

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    Large chunks of the media thought this was Watergate-que level scandal.
    The media are morons though.

    OGH once told me a couple of journalists thought David Cameron would have to resign over the Damien Green arrest because it was bigger than Watergate.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,238
    Scott_xP said:

    Trump calls his voters stupid

    @Acyn

    Trump: I call it the Epstein hoax. They’re talking about a guy who died 3-4 years ago. They want to talk about the Epstein hoax and the sad part, it is people that are doing Democrats work. They are stupid people.

    That brings the number of things he and I agree on up to two.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,675
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Trump calls his voters stupid

    @Acyn

    Trump: I call it the Epstein hoax. They’re talking about a guy who died 3-4 years ago. They want to talk about the Epstein hoax and the sad part, it is people that are doing Democrats work. They are stupid people.

    That brings the number of things he and I agree on up to two.
    Stopped clock and all that.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,976

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    Large chunks of the media thought this was Watergate-que level scandal.
    It took months for Watergate to gather steam and to topple Nixon. This was revealed.... yesterday

    However I do not think the best comparison here is "Watergate", indeed that's a terrible comparison for multiple reasons, and shows a paucity of imagination

    The best comparison is something like LIBOR in the City, or even the GFC, where eventually people went to jail and enormous reputational damage was done - but done over time
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,261

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    This is why Farage is such a smart operator. He went on the leak itself rather than the injunction or some hypothesised sexual assaults.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,318
    edited July 16
    Q: Are you calling for a complete redrawing of the congressional map?

    Trump: No, a simple redrawing so we pick up five seats

    https://x.com/highbrow_nobrow/status/1945342951220969812

    I'm shocked william didn't post this one.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,267

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    lol @ sometimes!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,782
    Chris Hinchliff the only suspendee not to comment yet and Telegraph report hes tipped to defect to the Greens
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,267

    Taz said:

    What’s the Lib Dem strategy with respect to reform, especially as they don’t compete with them in general seat wise.

    They seem obsessed by them

    You have the hammer of the sub postmasters continually banging on about them.

    https://x.com/julianheather1/status/1945403813923299822?s=61

    Mark Pack posts incessantly about them

    Piss diamond twitter accounts obsess about them.

    What’s their angle ?

    They compete with them on a far more existential basis - being the 'none of the above' party.

    The Lib Dems thought they owned the none of the above vote, and for a long time they did, but the Coalition killed that. They've since recovered, helped by the Tories declining, but if Reform stake out a claim to be the primary none of the above party then that is an existential threat to the Lib Dems primary raison d'etre.
    Next time it could be sensible NOTA versus crazy NOTA
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,782
    edited July 16

    Chris Hinchliff the only suspendee not to comment yet and Telegraph report hes tipped to defect to the Greens

    He's commented and wants to return to Labour.

    https://x.com/e_casalicchio/status/1945525526203973953
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,585
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    The poll, nonetheless, is farcical

    In more important news, it turns out painting radiators is EASY PEASY
    Not always, did mine last summer, pain in the arse. Had to lift carpets, floorboards and put them all back down after. Don’t see why I bothered as I can’t see them anyway.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,268
    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    What’s the Lib Dem strategy with respect to reform, especially as they don’t compete with them in general seat wise.

    They seem obsessed by them

    You have the hammer of the sub postmasters continually banging on about them.

    https://x.com/julianheather1/status/1945403813923299822?s=61

    Mark Pack posts incessantly about them

    Piss diamond twitter accounts obsess about them.

    What’s their angle ?

    They compete with them on a far more existential basis - being the 'none of the above' party.

    The Lib Dems thought they owned the none of the above vote, and for a long time they did, but the Coalition killed that. They've since recovered, helped by the Tories declining, but if Reform stake out a claim to be the primary none of the above party then that is an existential threat to the Lib Dems primary raison d'etre.
    Next time it could be sensible NOTA versus crazy NOTA
    Sensible NOTA?

    So is there a third third party option that I'm not aware of that doesn't have the crazy NIMBY hang-ups that the Lib Dems have?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,782
    edited July 16

    Chris Hinchliff the only suspendee not to comment yet and Telegraph report hes tipped to defect to the Greens

    He's commented and wants to return to Labour.

    https://x.com/e_casalicchio/status/1945525526203973953
    Boo! He did that while i jumped in the shower
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,976
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    The poll, nonetheless, is farcical

    In more important news, it turns out painting radiators is EASY PEASY
    Not always, did mine last summer, pain in the arse. Had to lift carpets, floorboards and put them all back down after. Don’t see why I bothered as I can’t see them anyway.
    Why on earth? I just put a big cloth down, and painted around the radiator, Yes I didn't paint the bits almost no-one will ever see, but then almost no one will ever see them, except perhaps someone coming to repaint the radiator
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,675
    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,202

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    Large chunks of the media thought this was Watergate-que level scandal.
    The media are morons though.

    OGH once told me a couple of journalists thought David Cameron would have to resign over the Damien Green arrest because it was bigger than Watergate.
    I remember when the Andy Coulson saga dominated the media, some PBers were absolutely obsessed with it, and talk abounded of Dave's resignation. Now does anyone remember it at all?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,709
    edited July 16

    Taz said:

    What’s the Lib Dem strategy with respect to reform, especially as they don’t compete with them in general seat wise.

    They seem obsessed by them

    You have the hammer of the sub postmasters continually banging on about them.

    https://x.com/julianheather1/status/1945403813923299822?s=61

    Mark Pack posts incessantly about them

    Piss diamond twitter accounts obsess about them.

    What’s their angle ?

    They compete with them on a far more existential basis - being the 'none of the above' party.

    The Lib Dems thought they owned the none of the above vote, and for a long time they did, but the Coalition killed that. They've since recovered, helped by the Tories declining, but if Reform stake out a claim to be the primary none of the above party then that is an existential threat to the Lib Dems primary raison d'etre.
    I disagree, because I know the rationale for the Lib Dems going hard on Reform. It’s straightforward politics and is not about existential threat: NOTA isn’t really the Lib Dem raison d’etre anymore.

    Reform are a far more natural opponent for the party than Labour or the Tories. They overlap in a number of policy and philosophical areas with Labour, and a few with Conservatives too, besides which the latter are not currently a meaningful threat.

    Reform by contrast are the perfect Yang to their ying. They are the direct antithesis of Lib Demmery in almost all areas of policy or public opinion, save possibly electoral reform.

    The fight more directly mirrors the battles going on throughout the west: authoritarian populism with a degree of Trump and/or Putin adjacency vs liberal “pro-Western” internationalism. They are moving into the Macron space (hence markedly less cooperation with the Greens than before) and casting Reform as the Fico/Orban/Le Pen/Trump figures.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,653
    How does the constant shite about JPow reassure the bond markets. He’s firing him, then he isn’t, then he’s investigating him

    How does that reassure the bond markets
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,267
    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    What’s the Lib Dem strategy with respect to reform, especially as they don’t compete with them in general seat wise.

    They seem obsessed by them

    You have the hammer of the sub postmasters continually banging on about them.

    https://x.com/julianheather1/status/1945403813923299822?s=61

    Mark Pack posts incessantly about them

    Piss diamond twitter accounts obsess about them.

    What’s their angle ?

    They’re the most ideologically opposed to right-wing populism, they stand to gain from anti-Reform voting, and they know that both Labour and Tory are frightened of laying into reform for fear of losing their reform-curious voters.

    If, come the next GE, reform has maintained its pole position (a big if), the issue of the election could be whether British is ready to flirt with the populist right, and the LDs will be well placed to fight a vigorous campaign.

    That’s just not the case given their relative strength, with the exception of parts of Cornwall and Devon is in seats that are a desert for Reform.

    The Lib Dem’s are a southern party, the party of Waitrose and NIMBYism. They have no chance of taking seats where reform are strong in the east coast, midlands or the north.

    They have a strong presence, locally, in part of Durham but the national party doesn’t give a shit about the area. The city of Durham should be either a Lib Dem seat or competitive. Instead we have the cerebral Mary Kelly foy winning all the time
    Yes, but there are voters concerned about reform in every seat.

    Besides, more than half the struggle for the LibDems is coming up with distinctive positions that might register with the voters.
    Free money for the WASPE women, no more building locally.

    Awesome
    The WASPI position is stupid, but a bandwagon candidates of all parties have been jumping on, jumping off at the point when they get the chance to do anything about it.

    The Tories are probably more NIMBY at local council level than the LibDems, even if the latter are the more assiduous campaigners.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,267
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    The poll, nonetheless, is farcical

    In more important news, it turns out painting radiators is EASY PEASY
    Not always, did mine last summer, pain in the arse. Had to lift carpets, floorboards and put them all back down after. Don’t see why I bothered as I can’t see them anyway.
    Why on earth? I just put a big cloth down, and painted around the radiator, Yes I didn't paint the bits almost no-one will ever see, but then almost no one will ever see them, except perhaps someone coming to repaint the radiator
    You can also save time when decorating by painting around the pictures on the wall and any abutting furniture, like bookcases or chests of drawers. Saves money on paint, too.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,782
    Taz said:

    How does the constant shite about JPow reassure the bond markets. He’s firing him, then he isn’t, then he’s investigating him

    How does that reassure the bond markets

    Maybe hes going to try and face them down?
    MAGA have ending the fed as one of their aims
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,268

    Taz said:

    How does the constant shite about JPow reassure the bond markets. He’s firing him, then he isn’t, then he’s investigating him

    How does that reassure the bond markets

    Maybe hes going to try and face them down?
    MAGA have ending the fed as one of their aims
    Ending the Fed would be more viable if they weren't running a multi-trillion dollar deficit.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,233
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    lol @ sometimes!
    Good point
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,782

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    Large chunks of the media thought this was Watergate-que level scandal.
    The media are morons though.

    OGH once told me a couple of journalists thought David Cameron would have to resign over the Damien Green arrest because it was bigger than Watergate.
    I remember when the Andy Coulson saga dominated the media, some PBers were absolutely obsessed with it, and talk abounded of Dave's resignation. Now does anyone remember it at all?
    I remember a pollster telling me that at the height of the scandal they polled over ten thousands voters in a month and only person out of that ten thousand put phone hacking as one of the top ten issues facing the country.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,976

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,140
    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    The country is drowning in debt and the idiot Lib Dem’s want to spend more

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945507837817303243?s=61

    It’s non sequitur competition time again?
    Oh FFS

    Soz

    Bit of a mare there. My excuse is I’m in Mallorca and slightly pissed on gin and wine

    It was supposed to be some dreary Lib Dem on GMB droning on about how awful the two child cap is.

    Can’t find the link now.
    The two child cap is awful. It has the effect of putting larger families into small rented properties with barely enough money to feed and eat. It's simply vindictive.

    But enjoy your gin and wine.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,782

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    It appears some PBers are things from another tax bracket the absolute proles.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,675
    edited July 16

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    Large chunks of the media thought this was Watergate-que level scandal.
    The media are morons though.

    OGH once told me a couple of journalists thought David Cameron would have to resign over the Damien Green arrest because it was bigger than Watergate.
    I remember when the Andy Coulson saga dominated the media, some PBers were absolutely obsessed with it, and talk abounded of Dave's resignation. Now does anyone remember it at all?
    I remember a pollster telling me that at the height of the scandal they polled over ten thousands voters in a month and only person out of that ten thousand put phone hacking as one of the top ten issues facing the country.
    They will have been a Guardian employee.

    The thing with the whole phone hacking stuff, the Indy actually did a lot of good journalism about "real" hacking that effected business. Got totally lost in the noise.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,782

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    Large chunks of the media thought this was Watergate-que level scandal.
    The media are morons though.

    OGH once told me a couple of journalists thought David Cameron would have to resign over the Damien Green arrest because it was bigger than Watergate.
    I remember when the Andy Coulson saga dominated the media, some PBers were absolutely obsessed with it, and talk abounded of Dave's resignation. Now does anyone remember it at all?
    I remember a pollster telling me that at the height of the scandal they polled over ten thousands voters in a month and only person out of that ten thousand put phone hacking as one of the top ten issues facing the country.
    Rebekah Brooks and Lots Of Love. Happy days
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,267
    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    Walls are quite fun, and quick. Door and window frames, not so much.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,724
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    The poll, nonetheless, is farcical

    In more important news, it turns out painting radiators is EASY PEASY
    Not always, did mine last summer, pain in the arse. Had to lift carpets, floorboards and put them all back down after. Don’t see why I bothered as I can’t see them anyway.
    Why on earth? I just put a big cloth down, and painted around the radiator, Yes I didn't paint the bits almost no-one will ever see, but then almost no one will ever see them, except perhaps someone coming to repaint the radiator
    You can also save time when decorating by painting around the pictures on the wall and any abutting furniture, like bookcases or chests of drawers. Saves money on paint, too.
    He could have saved money on carpeting by laying them up to the settees and not under them

    :)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,782
    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    Alright Nick Knowles, calm down
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,839
    boulay said:

    Taz said:

    Now apparently JPow is ‘under investigation’.

    Trump is a fucking idiot

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945516238349701631?s=61

    Powell should change his name to Mr Secret Epstein List and the investigation will be dropped immediately.

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    1h
    *TRUMP LIKELY TO FIRE POWELL SOON: WHITE HOUSE

    There goes the bond market, the dollar, and all monetary credibility for a generation.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,046

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    Large chunks of the media thought this was Watergate-que level scandal.
    The media are morons though.

    OGH once told me a couple of journalists thought David Cameron would have to resign over the Damien Green arrest because it was bigger than Watergate.
    I remember when the Andy Coulson saga dominated the media, some PBers were absolutely obsessed with it, and talk abounded of Dave's resignation. Now does anyone remember it at all?
    I remember a pollster telling me that at the height of the scandal they polled over ten thousands voters in a month and only person out of that ten thousand put phone hacking as one of the top ten issues facing the country.
    Rebekah Brooks and Lots Of Love. Happy days
    West Ham Aston Villa United :lol:
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,558

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    The poll, nonetheless, is farcical

    In more important news, it turns out painting radiators is EASY PEASY
    Not always, did mine last summer, pain in the arse. Had to lift carpets, floorboards and put them all back down after. Don’t see why I bothered as I can’t see them anyway.
    Why on earth? I just put a big cloth down, and painted around the radiator, Yes I didn't paint the bits almost no-one will ever see, but then almost no one will ever see them, except perhaps someone coming to repaint the radiator
    You can also save time when decorating by painting around the pictures on the wall and any abutting furniture, like bookcases or chests of drawers. Saves money on paint, too.
    He could have saved money on carpeting by laying them up to the settees and not under them

    :)
    I once viewed a house where they did that with wardrobes. Which would have been fine if they were built-in ones, but these ones were freestanding and the current owners planned on taking them with them.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,440

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    Large chunks of the media thought this was Watergate-que level scandal.
    The media are morons though.

    OGH once told me a couple of journalists thought David Cameron would have to resign over the Damien Green arrest because it was bigger than Watergate.
    You are joking?! Almost from the minute that story broke it smelt of an over the top and heavy handed stitch up of an Opposition politician simple doing their day job? If anyone should have resigned that day it was the then Speaker of the House!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,046
    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    The country is drowning in debt and the idiot Lib Dem’s want to spend more

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945507837817303243?s=61

    It’s non sequitur competition time again?
    Oh FFS

    Soz

    Bit of a mare there. My excuse is I’m in Mallorca and slightly pissed on gin and wine

    It was supposed to be some dreary Lib Dem on GMB droning on about how awful the two child cap is.

    Can’t find the link now.
    The two child cap is awful. It has the effect of putting larger families into small rented properties with barely enough money to feed and eat. It's simply vindictive.

    But enjoy your gin and wine.
    Have smaller families then.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,653
    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    The country is drowning in debt and the idiot Lib Dem’s want to spend more

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945507837817303243?s=61

    It’s non sequitur competition time again?
    Oh FFS

    Soz

    Bit of a mare there. My excuse is I’m in Mallorca and slightly pissed on gin and wine

    It was supposed to be some dreary Lib Dem on GMB droning on about how awful the two child cap is.

    Can’t find the link now.
    The two child cap is awful. It has the effect of putting larger families into small rented properties with barely enough money to feed and eat. It's simply vindictive.

    But enjoy your gin and wine.
    I’ve worked for it, I’ve earned it, I most certainly will
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,976
    When my bedroom is finished I am going to drop a photo on here. It's well lush. I am building a Cocoon for the Apocalypse

    Betcha can't wait
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,232
    Nigelb said:

    This is a quite extraordinary number of fatalities for a passenger railway.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article308679915.html
    ...Brightline is the nation’s most dangerous passenger train, reporters found, killing someone every 13 days of service, on average. In addition to those deaths, 99 people have been injured. In at least 101 cases, the train crashed into vehicles, but no one was hurt.

    ...In a written statement, Michael Lefevre, Brightline’s vice president of operations, reiterated what the company has been saying for years — that the deaths were self-inflicted. “These incidents are tragic and avoidable. More than half have been confirmed or suspected suicide — intentional acts of self-harm. All have been the result of illegal, deliberate and oftentimes reckless behavior by people putting themselves in harm’s way.” Lefevre said their actions “impact our guests who count on Brightline to get them to work, the theme parks, or special events.”..


    Florida, naturally.

    Here in the UK, we are spending many, many millions getting rid of as many level crossings over our railways as possible. It is a significant negative factor in the reopening of railways (negative in terms of expense...). Looking at some of the videos from the USA, they just don't care, with some awful level crossing 'designs' that are bound to cause accidents. And many, many of them, despite fewer space constraints. This is infrastructure, not operator.

    The big question here is: "Who owns the tracks?" Trespass onto lines, and level crossing safety, is generally the responsibility of whoever runs the infrastructure, not the operator - as long as the train was running at the proper speed and according to signalling.

    There is a large anti-rail movement in the USA, and especially what they laughably call 'high speed'. Musky Baby's ludicrous Hyperloop was only envisaged in order to kill California's High Speed Rail line.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,267

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    The poll, nonetheless, is farcical

    In more important news, it turns out painting radiators is EASY PEASY
    Not always, did mine last summer, pain in the arse. Had to lift carpets, floorboards and put them all back down after. Don’t see why I bothered as I can’t see them anyway.
    Why on earth? I just put a big cloth down, and painted around the radiator, Yes I didn't paint the bits almost no-one will ever see, but then almost no one will ever see them, except perhaps someone coming to repaint the radiator
    You can also save time when decorating by painting around the pictures on the wall and any abutting furniture, like bookcases or chests of drawers. Saves money on paint, too.
    He could have saved money on carpeting by laying them up to the settees and not under them

    :)
    Also avoids getting carpet moth under furniture, their favourite place.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,280

    boulay said:

    Taz said:

    Now apparently JPow is ‘under investigation’.

    Trump is a fucking idiot

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945516238349701631?s=61

    Powell should change his name to Mr Secret Epstein List and the investigation will be dropped immediately.

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    1h
    *TRUMP LIKELY TO FIRE POWELL SOON: WHITE HOUSE

    There goes the bond market, the dollar, and all monetary credibility for a generation.
    FFS my pension had finally recovered... someone needs to explain to Rachel Reeves that factors like Trump are why most people are quite happy with 3-4% in a cash ISA.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,585
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    The poll, nonetheless, is farcical

    In more important news, it turns out painting radiators is EASY PEASY
    Not always, did mine last summer, pain in the arse. Had to lift carpets, floorboards and put them all back down after. Don’t see why I bothered as I can’t see them anyway.
    Why on earth? I just put a big cloth down, and painted around the radiator, Yes I didn't paint the bits almost no-one will ever see, but then almost no one will ever see them, except perhaps someone coming to repaint the radiator
    I was joking, I have underfloor heating.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,268
    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    Depends on the rooms. We did the kids rooms over the Easter break. They both got to pick a colour then on one day of consecutive weekends we did it all.

    Changing the colour of the walls is quite satisfying and relatively quick with a roller.

    Its the edging that takes much longer and more concentration.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,267

    Nigelb said:

    This is a quite extraordinary number of fatalities for a passenger railway.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article308679915.html
    ...Brightline is the nation’s most dangerous passenger train, reporters found, killing someone every 13 days of service, on average. In addition to those deaths, 99 people have been injured. In at least 101 cases, the train crashed into vehicles, but no one was hurt.

    ...In a written statement, Michael Lefevre, Brightline’s vice president of operations, reiterated what the company has been saying for years — that the deaths were self-inflicted. “These incidents are tragic and avoidable. More than half have been confirmed or suspected suicide — intentional acts of self-harm. All have been the result of illegal, deliberate and oftentimes reckless behavior by people putting themselves in harm’s way.” Lefevre said their actions “impact our guests who count on Brightline to get them to work, the theme parks, or special events.”..


    Florida, naturally.

    Here in the UK, we are spending many, many millions getting rid of as many level crossings over our railways as possible. It is a significant negative factor in the reopening of railways (negative in terms of expense...). Looking at some of the videos from the USA, they just don't care, with some awful level crossing 'designs' that are bound to cause accidents. And many, many of them, despite fewer space constraints. This is infrastructure, not operator.

    The big question here is: "Who owns the tracks?" Trespass onto lines, and level crossing safety, is generally the responsibility of whoever runs the infrastructure, not the operator - as long as the train was running at the proper speed and according to signalling.

    There is a large anti-rail movement in the USA, and especially what they laughably call 'high speed'. Musky Baby's ludicrous Hyperloop was only envisaged in order to kill California's High Speed Rail line.
    Anyone living near a railway line has to put up with that awful clanging bell, because they can’t do level crossings properly. And despite the lack of passenger services, a lot of their lines get heavily used.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,267

    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    Depends on the rooms. We did the kids rooms over the Easter break. They both got to pick a colour then on one day of consecutive weekends we did it all.

    Changing the colour of the walls is quite satisfying and relatively quick with a roller.

    Its the edging that takes much longer and more concentration.
    When you’re decorating, things like wobbly edges are intensely annoying, but once you are back living in the room you never notice or worry. At all.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,839
    Dopermean said:

    boulay said:

    Taz said:

    Now apparently JPow is ‘under investigation’.

    Trump is a fucking idiot

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945516238349701631?s=61

    Powell should change his name to Mr Secret Epstein List and the investigation will be dropped immediately.

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    1h
    *TRUMP LIKELY TO FIRE POWELL SOON: WHITE HOUSE

    There goes the bond market, the dollar, and all monetary credibility for a generation.
    FFS my pension had finally recovered... someone needs to explain to Rachel Reeves that factors like Trump are why most people are quite happy with 3-4% in a cash ISA.
    Seems he may already be TACOing on this one.

    Well, that's until he changes his mind again later.

    Trump is apparently saying it was a really stupid mistake for Biden to appoint an idiot like Powell.

    It was actually Trump who appointed him.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,976
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    You cannot choose the polls you do not like

    You seem out of step with public opinion and even 30% of Reform voter's agree with the super injunction

    And 63%/17% the public agreed the UK have a moral obligation to bring the Afghans here

    Sometimes you have to accept you do not speak for the majority
    The poll, nonetheless, is farcical

    In more important news, it turns out painting radiators is EASY PEASY
    Not always, did mine last summer, pain in the arse. Had to lift carpets, floorboards and put them all back down after. Don’t see why I bothered as I can’t see them anyway.
    Why on earth? I just put a big cloth down, and painted around the radiator, Yes I didn't paint the bits almost no-one will ever see, but then almost no one will ever see them, except perhaps someone coming to repaint the radiator
    I was joking, I have underfloor heating.
    Ooh, posh

    When I was in the Faroes I noticed that EVERYWHERE has underfloor heating. As you would, if you lived in basically the most miserable climate on earth BUT everyone is a millionaire from halibut fishing

    It was very satisfying, getting up and going to the shower, and feeling the warmth underfoot. It made the Faroes slightly more bearable for about an hour

    Sadly impossible where I live. Grade 2 listed, dontchaknow, "including railings"
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,268

    boulay said:

    Taz said:

    Now apparently JPow is ‘under investigation’.

    Trump is a fucking idiot

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945516238349701631?s=61

    Powell should change his name to Mr Secret Epstein List and the investigation will be dropped immediately.

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    1h
    *TRUMP LIKELY TO FIRE POWELL SOON: WHITE HOUSE

    There goes the bond market, the dollar, and all monetary credibility for a generation.
    He should fire the braindead, decrepit, senile old fool who appointed Powell, whomever that was.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,957
    Astonished to see people writing this story off. It’s early in a potentially long hot summer. My benchmark of cut through is whether I find out a story from someone messaging me before I’ve realised it’s happening myself. I had 30+ messages yesterday from people who are largely fairly bored and apathetic about politics.

    Wait for the gory details to have time to percolate. Sunak calling the inexplicable snap election the day after the high court judgement to cancel the super injunction is proving a major lightbulb moment for people I know. Then there’s the rumoured sexual offenders element.

    Some old guard honourable Tory types that are responding positively to that poll might feel differently when they realise that the 1100 Afghan special forces are still stuck there while a big number of the many thousands admitted in the various schemes have no obvious right to have been approved.

    We’re not looking at a single mighty fatal blow that takes down a pair of political Goliaths. But a continual series of wounds to two exhausted animals. Fascinating to see what emerges. I’ve always thought a modern Blair would be better served with a hostile takeover of the Greens than Labour, perhaps that’s next.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,266

    boulay said:

    Taz said:

    Now apparently JPow is ‘under investigation’.

    Trump is a fucking idiot

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945516238349701631?s=61

    Powell should change his name to Mr Secret Epstein List and the investigation will be dropped immediately.

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    1h
    *TRUMP LIKELY TO FIRE POWELL SOON: WHITE HOUSE

    There goes the bond market, the dollar, and all monetary credibility for a generation.
    He should fire the braindead, decrepit, senile old fool who appointed Powell, whomever that was.
    Biden appointed him for his second term.

    https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/11/22/president-biden-nominates-jerome-powell-to-serve-as-chair-of-the-federal-reserve-dr-lael-brainard-to-serve-as-vice-chair/
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,140

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    The country is drowning in debt and the idiot Lib Dem’s want to spend more

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945507837817303243?s=61

    It’s non sequitur competition time again?
    Oh FFS

    Soz

    Bit of a mare there. My excuse is I’m in Mallorca and slightly pissed on gin and wine

    It was supposed to be some dreary Lib Dem on GMB droning on about how awful the two child cap is.

    Can’t find the link now.
    The two child cap is awful. It has the effect of putting larger families into small rented properties with barely enough money to feed and eat. It's simply vindictive.

    But enjoy your gin and wine.
    Have smaller families then.
    Thanks for the opportunity to discuss demographics. There is a large lump of boomers who have retired like Taz or about to retire. They'll want supported by current and future taxpayers. So where are the future taxpayers to come from? Shall we continue to import them, especially the lower skilled ones for Care Homes whose contribution to Tax and GDP would be marginal. Or shall we 'grow our own'?

    This graph of UC claimants shows that 10% of the current working population is so knackered that they are not expected to seek work and will be supported by the current and future taxpayers. This is in addition to supporting the Boomer pensioners. There is a second group of UC claimants who are mostly in work but are paid so little that they have to be supported (aka subsidised workforce). They are to be supported by the same tax base. So we come to the issue of if you're actively discouraging growth in the indigenous population and you don't want to bring anyone in, and the demographics are against you, you need a miracle.

    We could reskill our workforce or improve productivity by investing but we are not doing that either. Running an economy requires someone to provide added value as we can't run the sort of deficits that the US can. So it would be in our own interests to encourage larger families, support them, educate their children and allow them to contribute to this country and even if it does mean supporting the ungrateful.


  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,976
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    Depends on the rooms. We did the kids rooms over the Easter break. They both got to pick a colour then on one day of consecutive weekends we did it all.

    Changing the colour of the walls is quite satisfying and relatively quick with a roller.

    Its the edging that takes much longer and more concentration.
    When you’re decorating, things like wobbly edges are intensely annoying, but once you are back living in the room you never notice or worry. At all.
    I'd like to say that's true, but it isn't

    A few years ago I did my bedroom Hague Blue, as was the fash

    Trouble is I (again) decided to do it myself for the soothing lolz, and also it was lockdown so I was bored. So I got the paint and read the guides and got to work and,,,, Wow, I did it badly. And I didn't do the ceiling. so I had fucking great Hague Blue splotches all over the ceiling, and drips of Hague Blue on my lovely wooden floor and skirting boards

    For a few days I didn't mind, then I minded, and I've minded ever since. This time I got a pro to do the whole room, ceiling included, and he was well pricey but he was good and it looks gorgeous. I can cope with just the radiator
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,267
    edited July 16
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    Depends on the rooms. We did the kids rooms over the Easter break. They both got to pick a colour then on one day of consecutive weekends we did it all.

    Changing the colour of the walls is quite satisfying and relatively quick with a roller.

    Its the edging that takes much longer and more concentration.
    When you’re decorating, things like wobbly edges are intensely annoying, but once you are back living in the room you never notice or worry. At all.
    I'd like to say that's true, but it isn't

    A few years ago I did my bedroom Hague Blue, as was the fash

    Trouble is I (again) decided to do it myself for the soothing lolz, and also it was lockdown so I was bored. So I got the paint and read the guides and got to work and,,,, Wow, I did it badly. And I didn't do the ceiling. so I had fucking great Hague Blue splotches all over the ceiling, and drips of Hague Blue on my lovely wooden floor and skirting boards

    For a few days I didn't mind, then I minded, and I've minded ever since. This time I got a pro to do the whole room, ceiling included, and he was well pricey but he was good and it looks gorgeous. I can cope with just the radiator
    It’s true if you have a basic level of common sense and hand to eye co-ordination; my comment wasn’t aimed at edge cases. And anyway no-one sensible decorates a room without doing the ceiling, which will otherwise just look grubby. Especially yours, with all your bad habits.

    Anyhow, Hague blue is well out of fashion now, and you should be looking at Farage fuchsia…
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,976
    moonshine said:

    Astonished to see people writing this story off. It’s early in a potentially long hot summer. My benchmark of cut through is whether I find out a story from someone messaging me before I’ve realised it’s happening myself. I had 30+ messages yesterday from people who are largely fairly bored and apathetic about politics.

    Wait for the gory details to have time to percolate. Sunak calling the inexplicable snap election the day after the high court judgement to cancel the super injunction is proving a major lightbulb moment for people I know. Then there’s the rumoured sexual offenders element.

    Some old guard honourable Tory types that are responding positively to that poll might feel differently when they realise that the 1100 Afghan special forces are still stuck there while a big number of the many thousands admitted in the various schemes have no obvious right to have been approved.

    We’re not looking at a single mighty fatal blow that takes down a pair of political Goliaths. But a continual series of wounds to two exhausted animals. Fascinating to see what emerges. I’ve always thought a modern Blair would be better served with a hostile takeover of the Greens than Labour, perhaps that’s next.

    Yes, exactly. It takes brains to realise that this is big.... but a slow burner

    The obvious horrors are only obvious to people who are unusually engaged and politically aware. But more people will slowly twig, and even those who don't get it will grasp second order effects. Imagine the first terror attack or gang rape arising from this cohort. How do you even begin to handle that? Because it will happen, sadly. The stats are ineluctable
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,914
    edited July 16
    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    The country is drowning in debt and the idiot Lib Dem’s want to spend more

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945507837817303243?s=61

    It’s non sequitur competition time again?
    Oh FFS

    Soz

    Bit of a mare there. My excuse is I’m in Mallorca and slightly pissed on gin and wine

    It was supposed to be some dreary Lib Dem on GMB droning on about how awful the two child cap is.

    Can’t find the link now.
    The two child cap is awful. It has the effect of putting larger families into small rented properties with barely enough money to feed and eat. It's simply vindictive.

    But enjoy your gin and wine.
    Then increase child benefit for all parents not just give higher benefits to UC parents with at least one more child than the average UK family now has
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,782
    moonshine said:

    Astonished to see people writing this story off. It’s early in a potentially long hot summer. My benchmark of cut through is whether I find out a story from someone messaging me before I’ve realised it’s happening myself. I had 30+ messages yesterday from people who are largely fairly bored and apathetic about politics.

    Wait for the gory details to have time to percolate. Sunak calling the inexplicable snap election the day after the high court judgement to cancel the super injunction is proving a major lightbulb moment for people I know. Then there’s the rumoured sexual offenders element.

    Some old guard honourable Tory types that are responding positively to that poll might feel differently when they realise that the 1100 Afghan special forces are still stuck there while a big number of the many thousands admitted in the various schemes have no obvious right to have been approved.

    We’re not looking at a single mighty fatal blow that takes down a pair of political Goliaths. But a continual series of wounds to two exhausted animals. Fascinating to see what emerges. I’ve always thought a modern Blair would be better served with a hostile takeover of the Greens than Labour, perhaps that’s next.

    The people on trial for placing bets on the date of the GE three days before it was called rather disproves the 'Sunak ran out to call a GE the next day because of the judge' theories
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,136
    edited July 16

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    It appears some PBers are things from another tax bracket the absolute proles.
    Some of us just hate having tradesmen in the house.

    Besides, you can't sit back and admire someone else's work. Well, unless it was van Gogh.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,585
    Starmer appears to have stripped three or four MPs of trade envoy status which surprised me.

    Is it a massive coincidence that three or four pests in the party all just happen to be UK Trade Envoys or is being a trade envoy a wheeze, that they dish out to loads of back benchers, where you can go on paid-for jollies to examine how we can develop trade with the Turks and Caicos, especially if anything can be learnt over New Year, or if the region of France you have bought a pad in would like to buy more English wines and cheeses?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,976
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    Depends on the rooms. We did the kids rooms over the Easter break. They both got to pick a colour then on one day of consecutive weekends we did it all.

    Changing the colour of the walls is quite satisfying and relatively quick with a roller.

    Its the edging that takes much longer and more concentration.
    When you’re decorating, things like wobbly edges are intensely annoying, but once you are back living in the room you never notice or worry. At all.
    I'd like to say that's true, but it isn't

    A few years ago I did my bedroom Hague Blue, as was the fash

    Trouble is I (again) decided to do it myself for the soothing lolz, and also it was lockdown so I was bored. So I got the paint and read the guides and got to work and,,,, Wow, I did it badly. And I didn't do the ceiling. so I had fucking great Hague Blue splotches all over the ceiling, and drips of Hague Blue on my lovely wooden floor and skirting boards

    For a few days I didn't mind, then I minded, and I've minded ever since. This time I got a pro to do the whole room, ceiling included, and he was well pricey but he was good and it looks gorgeous. I can cope with just the radiator
    It’s true if you have a basic level of common sense and hand to eye co-ordination; my comment wasn’t aimed at edge cases.

    Anyhow, Hague blue is well out of fashion now, and you should be looking at Farage fuchsia…
    I'm going to ignore your uncharacteristic ad hominem, and focus on our burgeoning friendship

    I agree on Hague Blue. I told the decorator to go with his instincts and do something with the richness of Hague Blue but more fun and brighter

    He did a brilliant job. I love it. Some weird Dulux Heritage mix that he devised himself. All the woodwork is Farrow and Ball burgundy job, Precedence Red, I think, or something like that

    Tune in later for more exciting DIY updates
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,232
    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    A little hint: if you can, take the radiator off the wall - ours just lift off - and check behind them. They can appear fine on the front, but have rust patches at the rear. Clean the cobwebs off and just check. From experience, more likely in bathrooms and kitchens, where steam can condense on a cold radiator.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,267

    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    A little hint: if you can, take the radiator off the wall - ours just lift off - and check behind them. They can appear fine on the front, but have rust patches at the rear. Clean the cobwebs off and just check. From experience, more likely in bathrooms and kitchens, where steam can condense on a cold radiator.
    Taking the grille off the top and hoovering out all the long settled fluff is also very satisfying.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,957

    moonshine said:

    Astonished to see people writing this story off. It’s early in a potentially long hot summer. My benchmark of cut through is whether I find out a story from someone messaging me before I’ve realised it’s happening myself. I had 30+ messages yesterday from people who are largely fairly bored and apathetic about politics.

    Wait for the gory details to have time to percolate. Sunak calling the inexplicable snap election the day after the high court judgement to cancel the super injunction is proving a major lightbulb moment for people I know. Then there’s the rumoured sexual offenders element.

    Some old guard honourable Tory types that are responding positively to that poll might feel differently when they realise that the 1100 Afghan special forces are still stuck there while a big number of the many thousands admitted in the various schemes have no obvious right to have been approved.

    We’re not looking at a single mighty fatal blow that takes down a pair of political Goliaths. But a continual series of wounds to two exhausted animals. Fascinating to see what emerges. I’ve always thought a modern Blair would be better served with a hostile takeover of the Greens than Labour, perhaps that’s next.

    The people on trial for placing bets on the date of the GE three days before it was called rather disproves the 'Sunak ran out to call a GE the next day because of the judge' theories
    Sunak would have known what way the wind was blowing in the high court based upon his own legal advice and starting making noises about a potential snap election with key staffers.

    I quite liked Sunak for what it’s worth. He eventually found a backbone and squashed an omicron lockdown (two lockdowns too late but still). I think he’s at heart probably a decent enough chap. But you’re being naively generous to him here.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,267
    boulay said:

    Starmer appears to have stripped three or four MPs of trade envoy status which surprised me.

    Is it a massive coincidence that three or four pests in the party all just happen to be UK Trade Envoys or is being a trade envoy a wheeze, that they dish out to loads of back benchers, where you can go on paid-for jollies to examine how we can develop trade with the Turks and Caicos, especially if anything can be learnt over New Year, or if the region of France you have bought a pad in would like to buy more English wines and cheeses?

    Sending potential trouble makers on foreign trips…elementary, Mr Watson…
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,317
    edited July 16

    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    Alright Nick Knowles, calm down
    Given the gaylord ponceyboots theme being planned in Chez Leon, surely Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen is more appropriate?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,839
    Trump says the real scandal is not Epstein, it's the autopen.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,667

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    It appears some PBers are things from another tax bracket the absolute proles.
    I have just been hoovering out my own car like a yokel.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,976
    carnforth said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    It appears some PBers are things from another tax bracket the absolute proles.
    I have just been hoovering out my own car like a yokel.
    I'm going to start churning my own butter
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,470
    I've got a brand new combine harvester.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,782
    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    Astonished to see people writing this story off. It’s early in a potentially long hot summer. My benchmark of cut through is whether I find out a story from someone messaging me before I’ve realised it’s happening myself. I had 30+ messages yesterday from people who are largely fairly bored and apathetic about politics.

    Wait for the gory details to have time to percolate. Sunak calling the inexplicable snap election the day after the high court judgement to cancel the super injunction is proving a major lightbulb moment for people I know. Then there’s the rumoured sexual offenders element.

    Some old guard honourable Tory types that are responding positively to that poll might feel differently when they realise that the 1100 Afghan special forces are still stuck there while a big number of the many thousands admitted in the various schemes have no obvious right to have been approved.

    We’re not looking at a single mighty fatal blow that takes down a pair of political Goliaths. But a continual series of wounds to two exhausted animals. Fascinating to see what emerges. I’ve always thought a modern Blair would be better served with a hostile takeover of the Greens than Labour, perhaps that’s next.

    The people on trial for placing bets on the date of the GE three days before it was called rather disproves the 'Sunak ran out to call a GE the next day because of the judge' theories
    Sunak would have known what way the wind was blowing in the high court based upon his own legal advice and starting making noises about a potential snap election with key staffers.

    I quite liked Sunak for what it’s worth. He eventually found a backbone and squashed an omicron lockdown (two lockdowns too late but still). I think he’s at heart probably a decent enough chap. But you’re being naively generous to him here.
    The injunction hearing is a one day affair, not a multi day bobbins.
    If his legal advice was 'it will be lifted' and he was worried, he'd have called the election before the hearing and hidden it all under purdah/court would have extended beyond the election as the parliament scrutiny could now not occur anyway.
    Im sorry but whilst there are clear questions to answer, Sunak calling the election because of the hearing the day before is barking
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,667
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    It appears some PBers are things from another tax bracket the absolute proles.
    I have just been hoovering out my own car like a yokel.
    I'm going to start churning my own butter
    We don't need to know everytime you masterbate, Leon.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,976
    edited July 16
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    It appears some PBers are things from another tax bracket the absolute proles.
    I have just been hoovering out my own car like a yokel.
    I'm going to start churning my own butter
    We don't need to know everytime you masterbate, Leon.
    I think everyone on PB should become a tradwife

    I'm going to make cupcakes for @Richard_Tyndall as a surprise. DON'T TELL HIM
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,782
    edited July 16
    Reform splitter latest. Rael braverman has tweeted he'll explain his departure in due course and reposted a Dan Wootton post 'what does Zia Yusuf have on Nigel Farage?' Popcorntastic
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,111
    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    What’s the Lib Dem strategy with respect to reform, especially as they don’t compete with them in general seat wise.

    They seem obsessed by them

    You have the hammer of the sub postmasters continually banging on about them.

    https://x.com/julianheather1/status/1945403813923299822?s=61

    Mark Pack posts incessantly about them

    Piss diamond twitter accounts obsess about them.

    What’s their angle ?

    They’re the most ideologically opposed to right-wing populism, they stand to gain from anti-Reform voting, and they know that both Labour and Tory are frightened of laying into reform for fear of losing their reform-curious voters.

    If, come the next GE, reform has maintained its pole position (a big if), the issue of the election could be whether British is ready to flirt with the populist right, and the LDs will be well placed to fight a vigorous campaign.

    That’s just not the case given their relative strength, with the exception of parts of Cornwall and Devon is in seats that are a desert for Reform.

    The Lib Dem’s are a southern party, the party of Waitrose and NIMBYism. They have no chance of taking seats where reform are strong in the east coast, midlands or the north.

    They have a strong presence, locally, in part of Durham but the national party doesn’t give a shit about the area. The city of Durham should be either a Lib Dem seat or competitive. Instead we have the cerebral Mary Kelly foy winning all the time
    Yes, but there are voters concerned about reform in every seat.

    Besides, more than half the struggle for the LibDems is coming up with distinctive positions that might register with the voters.
    Free money for the WASPE women, no more building locally.

    Awesome
    I got a leaflet from my local Labour councillors boasting about how they had stopped a proposed development at the end of my street. A lot of NIMBYism round my way. I'm tempted to vote for anyone who promises to NOT block development at the local elections next year.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,957

    Reform splitter latest. Rael braverman has tweeted he'll explain his departure in due course and reposted a Dan Wootton post 'what does Zia Yusuf have on Nigel Farage?' Popcorntastic

    I don’t really understand the attitude that revels in wanting Farage to implode. It’s very far from obvious that the old parties will be ready to step back up. And who knows what fills the vacuum if they don’t. Farage would essentially not have looked out of place in a thatcher or major cabinet. There are far worse than him about.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,232

    I've got a brand new combine harvester.

    Cheap combine harvesters are better!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1tTeRhZCt0
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