Can you draw me a Venn diagram of the PBers criticising Starmer for removing the whip from his rebellious MPs and those PBers who praised Boris Johnson for removing the whip from his MPs in 2019.
Looks like Maskell also gone. More of a problem i think, ex shadow cabibet, has a lot more pull in the party than the new boys. Blows his 'i listened' shit out of the water on welfare as hes now meting out beatings
All a bit odd.
Not sure how it helps party unity, or in trying to minimise the damage of the possible New Jezza Front.
I guess they think it will concentrate the minds of all the others over the difficult years to come. And they’re probably already worrying about getting whatever Reeves comes up with to balance the books in the autumn, through the house.
Can you draw me a Venn diagram of the PBers criticising Starmer for removing the whip from his rebellious MPs and those PBers who praised Boris Johnson for removing the whip from his MPs in 2019.
Johnson's move presaged an election where he won a majority for his Brexit policy. Maybe Starmer should go to the country too?
Can you draw me a Venn diagram of the PBers criticising Starmer for removing the whip from his rebellious MPs and those PBers who praised Boris Johnson for removing the whip from his MPs in 2019.
Tried that, and the diagram came back as this sort of X shape, except with tails coming off the ends of the X's in a clockwise direction.
Can you draw me a Venn diagram of the PBers criticising Starmer for removing the whip from his rebellious MPs and those PBers who praised Boris Johnson for removing the whip from his MPs in 2019.
Tried that, and the diagram came back as this sort of X shape, except with tails coming off the ends of the X's in a clockwise direction.
Can you draw me a Venn diagram of the PBers criticising Starmer for removing the whip from his rebellious MPs and those PBers who praised Boris Johnson for removing the whip from his MPs in 2019.
If only Goodwin had carried out a hypothetical poll adding the new, as yet non existent, Corbyn Party into the mix.
Looks like Maskell also gone. More of a problem i think, ex shadow cabibet, has a lot more pull in the party than the new boys. Blows his 'i listened' shit out of the water on welfare as hes now meting out beatings
All a bit odd.
Not sure how it helps party unity, or in trying to minimise the damage of the possible New Jezza Front.
I guess they think it will concentrate the minds of all the others over the difficult years to come. And they’re probably already worrying about getting whatever Reeves comes up with to balance the books in the autumn, through the house.
Maybe; but a high risk strategy I think, particularly if Maskell is also going. She got 40+ colleagues to agree with her, so clearly commands some following and that could cause problems.
The MAGA coalition is fracturing very badly over this issue, lots of people who supported Trump not just for the release of the Epstein documents but on anti-woke, anti-DEI are turning their backs on MAGA. I think they see this as a sell out too far. It's got everything in it they hate, a Jewish banker paedophile, very powerful people all over the world implicated, multiple cover up attempts, Trump winning them over on the basis of being transparent and now becoming part of the globalist establishment covering it up.
He's gone from "we're going to release the names in full" to "we're investigating the list" to "what list, there is no list" to "oh that list, nothing to see on it really, honest". To millions of MAGA voters this is the last straw.
The P-word is the one thing I've not noticed from MAGA or the American alt-right when discussing the need to release the Epstein list. Maybe it is taken for granted.
Advertised free bookcase at 1.20pm, gone by 2.15pm
Nice guy took it for his daughter. Mukesh. Told me his dad used to own and run Gohills, the famous artisan cobblers on Camden High Street, cited by Pink Floyd in the Wall
Your life really is a life of celebrity! Or is that anecdote just cobblers?
Can you draw me a Venn diagram of the PBers criticising Starmer for removing the whip from his rebellious MPs and those PBers who praised Boris Johnson for removing the whip from his MPs in 2019.
That is literally the most ridiculous poll I have ever seen
"Do you agree loyal noble handsome Afghan interpreters with cute kids who all love the Queen and fish and chips and Joanna Lumley should pointlessly die in agony, or are you not evil?"
Yes, where's the question asking about how much money should be spent on such things?
Why didn't they add, "or do you think we should allow in 24,000 Afghans with only the most tenuous connection to Britain to come to the UK and live off your money, even as they commit more sex crimes per head than any other minority?"
Can you draw me a Venn diagram of the PBers criticising Starmer for removing the whip from his rebellious MPs and those PBers who praised Boris Johnson for removing the whip from his MPs in 2019.
Are you implying that there is a big overlap between the two? Or the opposite? I would have thought that those in favour of removing the whip from troublesome Con MPs on the left of the party would have a major overlap with those in favour of removing he whip from troublesome Lab MPs on the left of the party? Certainly my own reaction to the two events is broadly the same.
Yes, where's the question asking about how much money should be spent on such things?
Why didn't they add, "or do you think we should allow in 24,000 Afghans with only the most tenuous connection to Britain to come to the UK and live off your money, even as they commit more sex crimes per head than any other minority?"
That's roughly the alternative on the other side
Do Afghans commit more sex crimes per head than any other minority?
The MAGA coalition is fracturing very badly over this issue, lots of people who supported Trump not just for the release of the Epstein documents but on anti-woke, anti-DEI are turning their backs on MAGA. I think they see this as a sell out too far. It's got everything in it they hate, a Jewish banker paedophile, very powerful people all over the world implicated, multiple cover up attempts, Trump winning them over on the basis of being transparent and now becoming part of the globalist establishment covering it up.
He's gone from "we're going to release the names in full" to "we're investigating the list" to "what list, there is no list" to "oh that list, nothing to see on it really, honest". To millions of MAGA voters this is the last straw.
That is literally the most ridiculous poll I have ever seen
"Do you agree loyal noble handsome Afghan interpreters with cute kids who all love the Queen and fish and chips and Joanna Lumley should pointlessly die in agony, or are you not evil?"
Leaving aside the question, it does suggest the correct 'defence' as it were is to play the 'danger to life' and 'moral obligation' cards, whatever we think of them.
The political cost likely comes from the breach itself/incompetence
Does show a striking split between Reform and the Rest.
Incidentally, I'm sure this is just a coincidence:
21 May 2024: Mr Justice Chamberlain rules super-injunction should be lifted in 21 days, saying there is a "significant possibility" the Taliban already know about the dataset and that it is "fundamentally objectionable" to keep it a secret.
Advertised free bookcase at 1.20pm, gone by 2.15pm
Nice guy took it for his daughter. Mukesh. Told me his dad used to own and run Gohills, the famous artisan cobblers on Camden High Street, cited by Pink Floyd in the Wall
Your life really is a life of celebrity! Or is that anecdote just cobblers?
Yes, where's the question asking about how much money should be spent on such things?
Why didn't they add, "or do you think we should allow in 24,000 Afghans with only the most tenuous connection to Britain to come to the UK and live off your money, even as they commit more sex crimes per head than any other minority?"
That's roughly the alternative on the other side
Do Afghans commit more sex crimes per head than any other minority?
My wife has just said she agrees with the Yougov poll
I am not surprised at the results and would suggest some on PB are not in tune with public opinion
Yes, where's the question asking about how much money should be spent on such things?
Why didn't they add, "or do you think we should allow in 24,000 Afghans with only the most tenuous connection to Britain to come to the UK and live off your money, even as they commit more sex crimes per head than any other minority?"
That's roughly the alternative on the other side
Do Afghans commit more sex crimes per head than any other minority?
My wife has just said she agrees with the Yougov poll
I am not surprised at the results and would suggest some on PB are not in tune with public opinion
I had the same reaction from Pa on the phone lunchtime. Sometimes people don't do what we expect!
Advertised free bookcase at 1.20pm, gone by 2.15pm
Nice guy took it for his daughter. Mukesh. Told me his dad used to own and run Gohills, the famous artisan cobblers on Camden High Street, cited by Pink Floyd in the Wall
Your life really is a life of celebrity! Or is that anecdote just cobblers?
Don’t be a snob
I wasn't.
The original name for a cobbler was…
i didn't know that. I'm always the LAST to know!
There is a thing among some shoe repair types to say that a snob is higher skilled - someone who can make shoes as well as fix them. And that cobbler means a bodger.
Hence some calling themselves snobs.
Not sure if there is any real history to that, though.
Yes, where's the question asking about how much money should be spent on such things?
Why didn't they add, "or do you think we should allow in 24,000 Afghans with only the most tenuous connection to Britain to come to the UK and live off your money, even as they commit more sex crimes per head than any other minority?"
That's roughly the alternative on the other side
Do Afghans commit more sex crimes per head than any other minority?
My wife has just said she agrees with the Yougov poll
I am not surprised at the results and would suggest some on PB are not in tune with public opinion
I’m amazed a forum of predominantly white, middle to upper class, centrist Dads with a large proportion of Lib Dem’s is not in tune with the public 😉
Rachel Maskell currently in with whips and may also nbe suspended
If she ends up going Corbyn then that might make the inner York seat interesting for the first time since the 90s.
Do most of the students live there ?
A good number of them. But there are also a number of ex-council estates (Kingsway, Tanghall) that might be tricker for her to peel away to a Corbyn party.
Does show a striking split between Reform and the Rest.
Incidentally, I'm sure this is just a coincidence:
21 May 2024: Mr Justice Chamberlain rules super-injunction should be lifted in 21 days, saying there is a "significant possibility" the Taliban already know about the dataset and that it is "fundamentally objectionable" to keep it a secret.
So despite much excitement from the 1st PB Twisted Knicker Brigade, there isn’t going to be “civil strife” and it will all be forgotten in a fortnight.
Can you even have a functioning democracy when the government can simply take out a superinjunction to hide a policy that it finds embarrassing, and which it knows will be unpopular, but which nonetheless it wants to enact?
......What makes us different from Honecker's East Germany, except they had less litter?.....
I've spent time in Honecker's East Germany. You're not a serious person.
Can you even have a functioning democracy when the government can simply take out a superinjunction to hide a policy that it finds embarrassing, and which it knows will be unpopular, but which nonetheless it wants to enact?
......What makes us different from Honecker's East Germany, except they had less litter?.....
I've spent time in Honecker's East Germany. You're not a serious person.
It really took you 500 posts to make that deduction?
Rachel Maskell currently in with whips and may also nbe suspended
If she ends up going Corbyn then that might make the inner York seat interesting for the first time since the 90s.
Do most of the students live there ?
A good number of them. But there are also a number of ex-council estates (Kingsway, Tanghall) that might be tricker for her to peel away to a Corbyn party.
Yeah, it's an interesting mix, central York.
People forget just how much C1/C2/D employment there was in York even into the first decade of the Millennium.
So despite much excitement from the 1st PB Twisted Knicker Brigade, there isn’t going to be “civil strife” and it will all be forgotten in a fortnight.
Quelle surprise.
It's the reason we keep Leon around, he is the best anti-tipster in the world.
So despite much excitement from the 1st PB Twisted Knicker Brigade, there isn’t going to be “civil strife” and it will all be forgotten in a fortnight.
Quelle surprise.
It's the reason we keep Leon around, he is the best anti-tipster in the world.
I thought Leon. ‘Kari Lake’ Damus was second to Rogerdamus
Can you even have a functioning democracy when the government can simply take out a superinjunction to hide a policy that it finds embarrassing, and which it knows will be unpopular, but which nonetheless it wants to enact?
......What makes us different from Honecker's East Germany, except they had less litter?.....
I've spent time in Honecker's East Germany. You're not a serious person.
It really took you 500 posts to make that deduction?
It's more that I've just finished rewatching Succession so I'm using my favourite insult wherever I can.
So despite much excitement from the 1st PB Twisted Knicker Brigade, there isn’t going to be “civil strife” and it will all be forgotten in a fortnight.
Quelle surprise.
It's the reason we keep Leon around, he is the best anti-tipster in the world.
Every village needs its idiot, I suppose, even if we might wish for a less assiduous one.
So despite much excitement from the 1st PB Twisted Knicker Brigade, there isn’t going to be “civil strife” and it will all be forgotten in a fortnight.
Quelle surprise.
It's the reason we keep Leon around, he is the best anti-tipster in the world.
I thought Leon. ‘Kari Lake’ Damus was second to Rogerdamus
Nah, he's been upgraded.
Plus Roger's predictions for the Oscars usually win PBers a lot of money.
That is literally the most ridiculous poll I have ever seen
"Do you agree loyal noble handsome Afghan interpreters with cute kids who all love the Queen and fish and chips and Joanna Lumley should pointlessly die in agony, or are you not evil?"
Leaving aside the question, it does suggest the correct 'defence' as it were is to play the 'danger to life' and 'moral obligation' cards, whatever we think of them.
The political cost likely comes from the breach itself/incompetence
Yougov is really laying waste to its reputation recently.
They’re the most ideologically opposed to right-wing populism, they stand to gain from anti-Reform voting, and they know that both Labour and Tory are frightened of laying into reform for fear of losing their reform-curious voters.
If, come the next GE, reform has maintained its pole position (a big if), the issue of the election could be whether British is ready to flirt with the populist right, and the LDs will be well placed to fight a vigorous campaign.
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Trump: I call it the Epstein hoax. They’re talking about a guy who died 3-4 years ago. They want to talk about the Epstein hoax and the sad part, it is people that are doing Democrats work. They are stupid people.
They’re the most ideologically opposed to right-wing populism, they stand to gain from anti-Reform voting, and they know that both Labour and Tory are frightened of laying into reform for fear of losing their reform-curious voters.
If, come the next GE, reform has maintained its pole position (a big if), the issue of the election could be whether British is ready to flirt with the populist right, and the LDs will be well placed to fight a vigorous campaign.
That’s just not the case given their relative strength, with the exception of parts of Cornwall and Devon is in seats that are a desert for Reform.
The Lib Dem’s are a southern party, the party of Waitrose and NIMBYism. They have no chance of taking seats where reform are strong in the east coast, midlands or the north.
They have a strong presence, locally, in part of Durham but the national party doesn’t give a shit about the area. The city of Durham should be either a Lib Dem seat or competitive. Instead we have the cerebral Mary Kelly foy winning all the time
"The US has deported five people who it described as "criminal illegal aliens" to the southern African kingdom of Eswatini.
On board the flight were five deportees from Vietnam, Jamaica, Laos, Cuba and Yemen who have been convicted of crimes ranging from child rape to murder, US Homeland Security Department Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said in an online post, external.
"This flight took individuals so uniquely barbaric that their home countries refused to take them back," McLaughlin wrote on X."
They’re the most ideologically opposed to right-wing populism, they stand to gain from anti-Reform voting, and they know that both Labour and Tory are frightened of laying into reform for fear of losing their reform-curious voters.
If, come the next GE, reform has maintained its pole position (a big if), the issue of the election could be whether British is ready to flirt with the populist right, and the LDs will be well placed to fight a vigorous campaign.
That’s just not the case given their relative strength, with the exception of parts of Cornwall and Devon is in seats that are a desert for Reform.
The Lib Dem’s are a southern party, the party of Waitrose and NIMBYism. They have no chance of taking seats where reform are strong in the east coast, midlands or the north.
They have a strong presence, locally, in part of Durham but the national party doesn’t give a shit about the area. The city of Durham should be either a Lib Dem seat or competitive. Instead we have the cerebral Mary Kelly foy winning all the time
Yes, but there are voters concerned about reform in every seat.
Besides, more than half the struggle for the LibDems is coming up with distinctive positions that might register with the voters.
They’re the most ideologically opposed to right-wing populism, they stand to gain from anti-Reform voting, and they know that both Labour and Tory are frightened of laying into reform for fear of losing their reform-curious voters.
If, come the next GE, reform has maintained its pole position (a big if), the issue of the election could be whether British is ready to flirt with the populist right, and the LDs will be well placed to fight a vigorous campaign.
That’s just not the case given their relative strength, with the exception of parts of Cornwall and Devon is in seats that are a desert for Reform.
The Lib Dem’s are a southern party, the party of Waitrose and NIMBYism. They have no chance of taking seats where reform are strong in the east coast, midlands or the north.
They have a strong presence, locally, in part of Durham but the national party doesn’t give a shit about the area. The city of Durham should be either a Lib Dem seat or competitive. Instead we have the cerebral Mary Kelly foy winning all the time
Yes, but there are voters concerned about reform in every seat.
And there are voters concerned about other parties in every seat.
They’re the most ideologically opposed to right-wing populism, they stand to gain from anti-Reform voting, and they know that both Labour and Tory are frightened of laying into reform for fear of losing their reform-curious voters.
If, come the next GE, reform has maintained its pole position (a big if), the issue of the election could be whether British is ready to flirt with the populist right, and the LDs will be well placed to fight a vigorous campaign.
That’s just not the case given their relative strength, with the exception of parts of Cornwall and Devon is in seats that are a desert for Reform.
The Lib Dem’s are a southern party, the party of Waitrose and NIMBYism. They have no chance of taking seats where reform are strong in the east coast, midlands or the north.
They have a strong presence, locally, in part of Durham but the national party doesn’t give a shit about the area. The city of Durham should be either a Lib Dem seat or competitive. Instead we have the cerebral Mary Kelly foy winning all the time
Yes, but there are voters concerned about reform in every seat.
And there are voters concerned about other parties in every seat.
Indeed, but plenty of Tories have voted Tory in seats like Sevenoaks and across Surrey over generations whose main motivation was “to keep Labour out”, despite Labour never having a chance of getting anywhere even close on those seats.
I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.
Can you draw me a Venn diagram of the PBers criticising Starmer for removing the whip from his rebellious MPs and those PBers who praised Boris Johnson for removing the whip from his MPs in 2019.
I've not criticised either, but the two situations are not comparable.
Johnson made his vote a confidence one (following precedence of eg Major with Maastricht etc) which means anyone who votes against absolutely should lose the whip, following precedence . . . and all did.
Starmer did not make his vote a confidence one, and has removed the whip from just four of the forty seven rebels.
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Can you draw me a Venn diagram of the PBers criticising Starmer for removing the whip from his rebellious MPs and those PBers who praised Boris Johnson for removing the whip from his MPs in 2019.
And is Naz Shah still in the PLP?
Oh........
"Do you agree loyal noble handsome Afghan interpreters with cute kids who all love the Queen and fish and chips and Joanna Lumley should pointlessly die in agony, or are you not evil?"
That's roughly the alternative on the other side
Exactly what is the justification for the IDF bombing that ?
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1945501398902194404?s=19
Leaving aside the question, it does suggest the correct 'defence' as it were is to play the 'danger to life' and 'moral obligation' cards, whatever we think of them.
The political cost likely comes from the breach itself/incompetence
Incidentally, I'm sure this is just a coincidence:
21 May 2024: Mr Justice Chamberlain rules super-injunction should be lifted in 21 days, saying there is a "significant possibility" the Taliban already know about the dataset and that it is "fundamentally objectionable" to keep it a secret.
https://news.sky.com/story/guide-to-the-afghan-data-breach-why-scandal-has-erupted-now-and-what-happens-next-13397362
22 May 2024: Rishi Sunak calls a General Election
I am not surprised at the results and would suggest some on PB are not in tune with public opinion
Sometimes people don't do what we expect!
Hence some calling themselves snobs.
Not sure if there is any real history to that, though.
When you weren’t quite enough of a cant the first time round.
Oh dear, this is not good. Trump is a moron.
https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945507837817303243?s=61
Quelle surprise.
Trump is the supreme ruler. His word is law.
https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945507837817303243?s=61
Plus Roger's predictions for the Oscars usually win PBers a lot of money.
@mmcassella
Asked whether he's planning to fire Chair Powell, President Trump says just now:
"No, we're not planning on doing anything," Trump says. "We're very concerned. ... I just want to see lower interest rates."
They seem obsessed by them
You have the hammer of the sub postmasters continually banging on about them.
https://x.com/julianheather1/status/1945403813923299822?s=61
Mark Pack posts incessantly about them
Piss diamond twitter accounts obsess about them.
What’s their angle ?
All,good
Fire up the printer.
Give people with more than two kids more money
Heres another 10 billion for the WASPE leeches
All funded by a wealth tax
Not economic growth as we don’t want an housebuilding by us, or reservoirs.
If, come the next GE, reform has maintained its pole position (a big if), the issue of the election could be whether British is ready to flirt with the populist right, and the LDs will be well placed to fight a vigorous campaign.
@faisalislam
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USD and Treasury prices tumbling after multiple outlets in DC reporting WH officials confirming that President Trump consulted with House Republicans who held out on the crypto bill over firing Fed Chair Jerome Powell.
@Acyn
Trump: I call it the Epstein hoax. They’re talking about a guy who died 3-4 years ago. They want to talk about the Epstein hoax and the sad part, it is people that are doing Democrats work. They are stupid people.
https://x.com/julianheather1/status/1945403813923299822?s=61
That’s just not the case given their relative strength, with the exception of parts of Cornwall and Devon is in seats that are a desert for Reform.
The Lib Dem’s are a southern party, the party of Waitrose and NIMBYism. They have no chance of taking seats where reform are strong in the east coast, midlands or the north.
They have a strong presence, locally, in part of Durham but the national party doesn’t give a shit about the area. The city of Durham should be either a Lib Dem seat or competitive. Instead we have the cerebral Mary Kelly foy winning all the time
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyze8mvzdgo
"The US has deported five people who it described as "criminal illegal aliens" to the southern African kingdom of Eswatini.
On board the flight were five deportees from Vietnam, Jamaica, Laos, Cuba and Yemen who have been convicted of crimes ranging from child rape to murder, US Homeland Security Department Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said in an online post, external.
"This flight took individuals so uniquely barbaric that their home countries refused to take them back," McLaughlin wrote on X."
Besides, more than half the struggle for the LibDems is coming up with distinctive positions that might register with the voters.
Since I'm LibDem inclined, and therefore of a kindly nature!
Soz
Bit of a mare there. My excuse is I’m in Mallorca and slightly pissed on gin and wine
It was supposed to be some dreary Lib Dem on GMB droning on about how awful the two child cap is.
Can’t find the link now.
- 987 air & artillery strikes
- 421 ground incursions
- Occupied ~180sqkm of land
In response, #Syria's govt has done:
- 0 attacks
- Filed x2 UNSC complaints
- Seized 49 #Hezbollah weapons shipments headed to #Lebanon
https://x.com/Charles_Lister/status/1945482538920591443
Trump is a fucking idiot
https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945516238349701631?s=61
Trump on Powell: “I was surprised he was appointed” (Trump appointed him)
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1945513122795553257
https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y
Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.
https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y
Have you been listening to our resident window licker ?
I’ve voted Labour all my life in GE’s and probably would vote for Luke Akehurst again if there was an election tomorrow.
I partly voted for him as I didn’t want my seat having a reform MP, same with the locals. I went Indy. He then joined reform 😂
I’m fiscally conservative but socially liberal
What is it with this place where people decide what your politics are irrespective of what they actually are.
FFS
Johnson made his vote a confidence one (following precedence of eg Major with Maastricht etc) which means anyone who votes against absolutely should lose the whip, following precedence . . . and all did.
Starmer did not make his vote a confidence one, and has removed the whip from just four of the forty seven rebels.