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edited July 9 in General
Sometimes I don’t have to say anything, the image says it all – politicalbetting.com

Just 13% of Britons approve of the government's record to date, the lowest level recorded by YouGov since Labour took office a year agoApprove: 13% (-1 from 28-30 June)Disapprove: 67% (+1)Net: -54 (-2)yougov.co.uk/topics/polit…

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  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,601
    Just rejoice at that news
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,601
    Sunaks government bottomed out at 11% (twice) and a few 12s for reference
    Truss had a 6 and a 7
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,070
    edited July 9
    It doesn't matter how disliked Reform are. If the government's approval rating remains at that level, Labour will obtain a similar result to the Conservatives in 2024.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,395
    And this is before the government go back to the well for more tax rises in a few months.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,198
    @lindayaX

    After two incredible years, I’ve decided to step down as CEO of 𝕏.

    https://x.com/lindayaX/status/1942957094811951197
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,395
    edited July 9
    Stay classy,

    Effigies of lifejacket-wearing migrants in boats have been placed on a village bonfire in a display condemned by critics as 'sickening' and 'racist'. A sign saying 'Stop the boats' was also attached to the pyre in Moygashel, on the outskirts of Dungannon in Co Tyrone in Northern Ireland, prompting protests.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14889681/Fury-racist-village-bonfire-effigy-migrants-stop-boats.html
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,144
    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,114

    Stay classy,

    Effigies of lifejacket-wearing migrants in boats have been placed on a village bonfire in a display condemned by critics as 'sickening' and 'racist'. A sign saying 'Stop the boats' was also attached to the pyre in Moygashel, on the outskirts of Dungannon in Co Tyrone in Northern Ireland, prompting protests.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14889681/Fury-racist-village-bonfire-effigy-migrants-stop-boats.html

    I'd be inclined to deport these people to an unsafe third country.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951
    edited July 9
    Memo to self: do NOT stow away INSIDE an aircraft engine the next time I want to sneak into the UK.

    "Flights suspended after man is sucked into plane engine on runway"

    "Police at Milan Bergamo International Airport told Sky News that the person appeared to run on to the runway before voluntarily entering the engine of the Volotea aircraft."

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/flights-suspended-after-man-is-sucked-into-plane-engine-on-runway/ar-AA1IcsA8?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=b943513bf425457f974f49e8476c073c&ei=19
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,069

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    Not the Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza. Some people who work for Blair are reportedly involved, rather than Blair himself.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,069

    Memo to self: do NOT stow away INSIDE an aircraft engine the next time I want to sneak into the UK.

    "Flights suspended after man is sucked into plane engine on runway"

    "Police at Milan Bergamo International Airport told Sky News that the person appeared to run on to the runway before voluntarily entering the engine of the Volotea aircraft."

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/flights-suspended-after-man-is-sucked-into-plane-engine-on-runway/ar-AA1IcsA8?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=b943513bf425457f974f49e8476c073c&ei=19

    That doesn't sound like he was stowing away. That sounds like a suicide.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,702

    A right old set too on the Loughborough Facebook pages. A couple of the balaclava clad bastard bike thieves have been named, shamed and threatened with broken legs.
    To be fair, most of us knew at least their names, and it turns out I went to school with one of their grandparents. He was a tosser as well.
    It's all kicking off, photos posted, addresses posted and the youngest (a 17 year old lad who apparently posts videos of his fuckaboutery and calls himself the TikTok Twokker) has run off to the Police because he fears for his life.
    Mums and aunties are slagging each other off and I witnessed a bit of handbags this afternoon in town between two female middle aged druggie clan members who were jonesing too hard to make the blows count.
    I'm hoping the resulting gang war takes out most of the Keats Way Massive.

    FAFO.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,114
    There's no putting lipstick on that pig. Very poor ratings for the Labour government. But it's four loooong years until the election, the Cons are even more screwed, and Reform are an accident waiting to happen. So anybody saying "one term" as if that's a done deal needs to adjust their model.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,702
    edited July 9
    A long time lurker has messaged me to say when they saw the headline on this header they assumed it was that Farage photo.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,668

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 185
    kinabalu said:

    Stay classy,

    Effigies of lifejacket-wearing migrants in boats have been placed on a village bonfire in a display condemned by critics as 'sickening' and 'racist'. A sign saying 'Stop the boats' was also attached to the pyre in Moygashel, on the outskirts of Dungannon in Co Tyrone in Northern Ireland, prompting protests.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14889681/Fury-racist-village-bonfire-effigy-migrants-stop-boats.html

    I'd be inclined to deport these people to an unsafe third country.
    So you're happy to deport UK citizens.... Interesting. The stupid left never fail to deliver.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,668
    Scott_xP said:

    @lindayaX

    After two incredible years, I’ve decided to step down as CEO of 𝕏.

    https://x.com/lindayaX/status/1942957094811951197

    I'm surprised she lasted as long as she did. Being CEO in name only of one Musk's companies does not seem like a fun job.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,144
    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    "Gentrification" is often opposed because it doesn't help the previous residents.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,198
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lindayaX

    After two incredible years, I’ve decided to step down as CEO of 𝕏.

    https://x.com/lindayaX/status/1942957094811951197

    I'm surprised she lasted as long as she did. Being CEO in name only of one Musk's companies does not seem like a fun job.
    So Mechahitler was the line for her, but not for Governments and corporations still using the platform
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,069
    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/tony-blairs-staff-reportedly-involved-in-project-for-controversial-gaza-day-after-plan/00000197-e4d8-d5bc-a597-efd944f80000

    "The project also proposes paying about $9,000 each to half a million Gazans to relocate from the Strip."
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951

    A right old set too on the Loughborough Facebook pages. A couple of the balaclava clad bastard bike thieves have been named, shamed and threatened with broken legs.
    To be fair, most of us knew at least their names, and it turns out I went to school with one of their grandparents. He was a tosser as well.
    It's all kicking off, photos posted, addresses posted and the youngest (a 17 year old lad who apparently posts videos of his fuckaboutery and calls himself the TikTok Twokker) has run off to the Police because he fears for his life.
    Mums and aunties are slagging each other off and I witnessed a bit of handbags this afternoon in town between two female middle aged druggie clan members who were jonesing too hard to make the blows count.
    I'm hoping the resulting gang war takes out most of the Keats Way Massive.

    Hopefully not as twattish as the South Ilford Massive.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951
    kinabalu said:

    Stay classy,

    Effigies of lifejacket-wearing migrants in boats have been placed on a village bonfire in a display condemned by critics as 'sickening' and 'racist'. A sign saying 'Stop the boats' was also attached to the pyre in Moygashel, on the outskirts of Dungannon in Co Tyrone in Northern Ireland, prompting protests.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14889681/Fury-racist-village-bonfire-effigy-migrants-stop-boats.html

    I'd be inclined to deport these people to an unsafe third country.
    Who? The illegals?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,070

    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/tony-blairs-staff-reportedly-involved-in-project-for-controversial-gaza-day-after-plan/00000197-e4d8-d5bc-a597-efd944f80000

    "The project also proposes paying about $9,000 each to half a million Gazans to relocate from the Strip."
    Presumably, they'll be deported into the Mediterranean Sea.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,209
    Today's Times, page 6.

    "Britain "cannot afford the array of promises it has made to the public", the budget watchdog has concluded in a stark warning that the country has been living beyond its means".
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,668

    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/tony-blairs-staff-reportedly-involved-in-project-for-controversial-gaza-day-after-plan/00000197-e4d8-d5bc-a597-efd944f80000

    "The project also proposes paying about $9,000 each to half a million Gazans to relocate from the Strip."
    Well, that is better than the traditional way of ethnically cleansing.

    Does the proposal mention where said 500,000 Gazans are to be relocated to? I'm assuming not the West Bank, so therefore you would need to find another Middle Eastern country to take them.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,250

    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    "Gentrification" is often opposed because it doesn't help the previous residents.
    Particularly if it involves ethnic cleansing...

    Is the MBS highway named after the leader of Saudi Arabia?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,668
    Dopermean said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    "Gentrification" is often opposed because it doesn't help the previous residents.
    Particularly if it involves ethnic cleansing...

    Is the MBS highway named after the leader of Saudi Arabia?
    Of course.

    Trump, MBS, etc., they all love getting their names on things.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,144
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/tony-blairs-staff-reportedly-involved-in-project-for-controversial-gaza-day-after-plan/00000197-e4d8-d5bc-a597-efd944f80000

    "The project also proposes paying about $9,000 each to half a million Gazans to relocate from the Strip."
    Well, that is better than the traditional way of ethnically cleansing.

    Does the proposal mention where said 500,000 Gazans are to be relocated to? I'm assuming not the West Bank, so therefore you would need to find another Middle Eastern country to take them.
    Israel could reoccupy Sinai to facilitate it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951

    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/tony-blairs-staff-reportedly-involved-in-project-for-controversial-gaza-day-after-plan/00000197-e4d8-d5bc-a597-efd944f80000

    "The project also proposes paying about $9,000 each to half a million Gazans to relocate from the Strip."
    Tsk. What can you buy for $9000 these days?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,250
    Dopermean said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    "Gentrification" is often opposed because it doesn't help the previous residents.
    Particularly if it involves ethnic cleansing...

    Is the MBS highway named after the leader of Saudi Arabia?
    That's a new low for Tony Blair if he's actively involved in Trump's Riviera planning
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,668
    Andy_JS said:

    Today's Times, page 6.

    "Britain "cannot afford the array of promises it has made to the public", the budget watchdog has concluded in a stark warning that the country has been living beyond its means".

    That's true of all developed world countries.

    The combination of rising life expectancy, promised pensions, increasingly expensive healthcare, and low birthrates is absolutely toxic for the sustainability of developed world government finances.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,749
    edited July 9
    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    I'd be happy enough if they sent all the Hamas types into the Sinai. In fact they could redevelop that too - 'Corbyn Country'. It's odd to think that if they actually did get rid of all their terrorist types they might actually have a really nice country. Almost vanishingly unlikely of course.

    (Edit: By 'they sent' - I mean the sensible Palestinians doing the sending, not the Israelis choosing)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951

    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    "Gentrification" is often opposed because it doesn't help the previous residents.
    I thought Israelis don't consider themselves "Gentiles".
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,144

    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    "Gentrification" is often opposed because it doesn't help the previous residents.
    I thought Israelis don't consider themselves "Gentiles".
    Different etymology and concept.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,139
    Scott_xP said:

    @lindayaX

    After two incredible years, I’ve decided to step down as CEO of 𝕏.

    https://x.com/lindayaX/status/1942957094811951197

    Translation: you can't pay me enough for this Nazi shit, Elon.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951

    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    "Gentrification" is often opposed because it doesn't help the previous residents.
    I thought Israelis don't consider themselves "Gentiles".
    Different etymology and concept.
    It was meant to be a joke.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,209
    FPT
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Here is something far vaster and sadder and bigger and more momentous than the ridiculous post office nonsense

    The intense and increasing loneliness of the western world. In a few charts. THIS is something to worry about

    https://x.com/davidshor/status/1942932100707225620?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And young people, bring back WI, Mothers' Union, Rotary Club, youth clubs, scouts etc and champion mothers and wives as well as high earning career women
    I genuinely wonder if there will be an attempt to ban smartphones. Entirely. For everyone
    You do realise I've been saying this for about 10 years?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,114

    kinabalu said:

    Stay classy,

    Effigies of lifejacket-wearing migrants in boats have been placed on a village bonfire in a display condemned by critics as 'sickening' and 'racist'. A sign saying 'Stop the boats' was also attached to the pyre in Moygashel, on the outskirts of Dungannon in Co Tyrone in Northern Ireland, prompting protests.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14889681/Fury-racist-village-bonfire-effigy-migrants-stop-boats.html

    I'd be inclined to deport these people to an unsafe third country.
    Who? The illegals?
    I more meant the villagers. But I suppose it'd never get past the pesky human rights obsessed courts.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,139

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    They have left out the location of the existing inhabitants. An oversight, I'm sure.
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 394
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today's Times, page 6.

    "Britain "cannot afford the array of promises it has made to the public", the budget watchdog has concluded in a stark warning that the country has been living beyond its means".

    That's true of all developed world countries.

    The combination of rising life expectancy, promised pensions, increasingly expensive healthcare, and low birthrates is absolutely toxic for the sustainability of developed world government finances.
    So the current welfare and pensions legislation is the Corn Laws of our age. Who will be brave enough to repeal them?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,139
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/tony-blairs-staff-reportedly-involved-in-project-for-controversial-gaza-day-after-plan/00000197-e4d8-d5bc-a597-efd944f80000

    "The project also proposes paying about $9,000 each to half a million Gazans to relocate from the Strip."
    Well, that is better than the traditional way of ethnically cleansing.

    Does the proposal mention where said 500,000 Gazans are to be relocated to? I'm assuming not the West Bank, so therefore you would need to find another Middle Eastern country to take them.
    Texas? Lots of space, an entrepreneurial culture and a history of large-scale immigration. I'm sure they'd be welcome.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,684

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today's Times, page 6.

    "Britain "cannot afford the array of promises it has made to the public", the budget watchdog has concluded in a stark warning that the country has been living beyond its means".

    That's true of all developed world countries.

    The combination of rising life expectancy, promised pensions, increasingly expensive healthcare, and low birthrates is absolutely toxic for the sustainability of developed world government finances.
    So the current welfare and pensions legislation is the Corn Laws of our age. Who will be brave enough to repeal them?
    One of two things will happen. We will either elect a government who has the mandate and the popular consent to drive through meaningful reform, or it will be forced on a government through circumstance eventually. It would be far, far preferable for the former, rather than the latter, to give it democratic legitimacy. The latter option risks a significant, and possibly very dangerous, counter-reaction.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,512
    viewcode said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    They have left out the location of the existing inhabitants. An oversight, I'm sure.
    The “Gaza planned cities” maybe?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951
    boulay said:

    viewcode said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    They have left out the location of the existing inhabitants. An oversight, I'm sure.
    The “Gaza planned cities” maybe?
    It's all a bit ambiguous.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,139
    boulay said:

    viewcode said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    They have left out the location of the existing inhabitants. An oversight, I'm sure.
    The “Gaza planned cities” maybe?
    I'm not sure they were intended for them. :(
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,741
    edited July 9
    Gov't approval nadirs/zeniths under previous PMs. (Yougov chart starts Feb 2011)

    18/61 Cameron 5th June, 2016 (Resigned 24th June) (Height 40/44 shortly after winning majority)
    9/72 May 13th May, 2019 (Announced resignation 24th May) (Height 35/41 (Start of GE 17 campaign early April)
    13/63 Johnson (18/64 just before he left office) (Height 44/35, Boris has just beaten Covid (personally))
    8/77 Truss (Height 14/67) (Gov't v unpopular throughout her brief term)
    12/73 Sunak (Height 18/63)
    13/68 Starmer (Height 29/29 29th July 2024, start of term)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,668

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today's Times, page 6.

    "Britain "cannot afford the array of promises it has made to the public", the budget watchdog has concluded in a stark warning that the country has been living beyond its means".

    That's true of all developed world countries.

    The combination of rising life expectancy, promised pensions, increasingly expensive healthcare, and low birthrates is absolutely toxic for the sustainability of developed world government finances.
    So the current welfare and pensions legislation is the Corn Laws of our age. Who will be brave enough to repeal them?
    Here's the thing: every year the number of retirees relative to the number of workers increases. That means the people with the votes have no interest in the system changing.

    Eventually the young will revolt: probably by moving to places where the oldies take a smaller piece of the pie.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,668

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today's Times, page 6.

    "Britain "cannot afford the array of promises it has made to the public", the budget watchdog has concluded in a stark warning that the country has been living beyond its means".

    That's true of all developed world countries.

    The combination of rising life expectancy, promised pensions, increasingly expensive healthcare, and low birthrates is absolutely toxic for the sustainability of developed world government finances.
    So the current welfare and pensions legislation is the Corn Laws of our age. Who will be brave enough to repeal them?
    One of two things will happen. We will either elect a government who has the mandate and the popular consent to drive through meaningful reform, or it will be forced on a government through circumstance eventually. It would be far, far preferable for the former, rather than the latter, to give it democratic legitimacy. The latter option risks a significant, and possibly very dangerous, counter-reaction.
    Why would oldies vote to have fewer sweeties?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,346

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    Not the Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza. Some people who work for Blair are reportedly involved, rather than Blair himself.
    That line didn’t help BCG

    https://www.ft.com/content/6ddd81c2-6dc2-4d11-830b-631e08a43354
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,209
    edited July 9
    "Jofra Archer will play his first Test in more than four years after being named in the England team to face India at Lord's on Thursday. The 30-year-old's inclusion is the only change to the England team for the crucial third Test, with the series level at 1-1. Despite Chris Woakes and Brydon Carse both looking weary in the heavy second-Test defeat at Edgbaston, they are both retained, with Josh Tongue making way for Archer."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c77vk1k5n27o
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,684
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today's Times, page 6.

    "Britain "cannot afford the array of promises it has made to the public", the budget watchdog has concluded in a stark warning that the country has been living beyond its means".

    That's true of all developed world countries.

    The combination of rising life expectancy, promised pensions, increasingly expensive healthcare, and low birthrates is absolutely toxic for the sustainability of developed world government finances.
    So the current welfare and pensions legislation is the Corn Laws of our age. Who will be brave enough to repeal them?
    One of two things will happen. We will either elect a government who has the mandate and the popular consent to drive through meaningful reform, or it will be forced on a government through circumstance eventually. It would be far, far preferable for the former, rather than the latter, to give it democratic legitimacy. The latter option risks a significant, and possibly very dangerous, counter-reaction.
    Why would oldies vote to have fewer sweeties?
    It depends very much on the options being presented.

    At some point, something in the economy will give and the things that were unaffordable will become completely out of reach. A managed restructuring will be much less disruptive, and there might even be the potential for transitions and grandfathering, and the promise of more jam tomorrow.

    I don’t buy the idea that people are beyond persuading of the need for reform. It is the way that it is done that is the crucial element.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,144
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lindayaX

    After two incredible years, I’ve decided to step down as CEO of 𝕏.

    https://x.com/lindayaX/status/1942957094811951197

    Translation: you can't pay me enough for this Nazi shit, Elon.
    I want everyone to know that I would do the Nazi shit for $5m/year - I'm happy for that to be in options, but they do need be put options.
    What if Grok starts attacking Radiohead?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,875
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today's Times, page 6.

    "Britain "cannot afford the array of promises it has made to the public", the budget watchdog has concluded in a stark warning that the country has been living beyond its means".

    That's true of all developed world countries.

    The combination of rising life expectancy, promised pensions, increasingly expensive healthcare, and low birthrates is absolutely toxic for the sustainability of developed world government finances.
    It's more toxic for the model of finance, politics and governance which has been in place since 1918.

    The model needs to evolve to match the demographics and that means looking at different ways of funding including looking at accumulated wealth taxation.

    An afternoon at Lingfield Park, a lunch time at Toby Carvery and any cruise will tell you there's a lot of money in this country and that money is among the older demographic. That's not an argument against triple locks or pensions per se but perhaps a recognition that wealth accumulated via paying off mortgages in times of low interest rates and the resulting asset appreciation realised via downsizing are other areas for HM Treasury to consider.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,603
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today's Times, page 6.

    "Britain "cannot afford the array of promises it has made to the public", the budget watchdog has concluded in a stark warning that the country has been living beyond its means".

    That's true of all developed world countries.

    The combination of rising life expectancy, promised pensions, increasingly expensive healthcare, and low birthrates is absolutely toxic for the sustainability of developed world government finances.
    So the current welfare and pensions legislation is the Corn Laws of our age. Who will be brave enough to repeal them?
    One of two things will happen. We will either elect a government who has the mandate and the popular consent to drive through meaningful reform, or it will be forced on a government through circumstance eventually. It would be far, far preferable for the former, rather than the latter, to give it democratic legitimacy. The latter option risks a significant, and possibly very dangerous, counter-reaction.
    Why would oldies vote to have fewer sweeties?
    Many oldies are related to young people.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today's Times, page 6.

    "Britain "cannot afford the array of promises it has made to the public", the budget watchdog has concluded in a stark warning that the country has been living beyond its means".

    That's true of all developed world countries.

    The combination of rising life expectancy, promised pensions, increasingly expensive healthcare, and low birthrates is absolutely toxic for the sustainability of developed world government finances.
    So the current welfare and pensions legislation is the Corn Laws of our age. Who will be brave enough to repeal them?
    Repealing the Corn Laws was probably the greatest unforced error made by the British Parliament in the nineteenth century and went a long way to undermining British Agricultural dominance over the whole world. (Discuss)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,209
    Prediction: fairly soon, prisoners will claim they need smartphones as part of their human rights.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,875
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today's Times, page 6.

    "Britain "cannot afford the array of promises it has made to the public", the budget watchdog has concluded in a stark warning that the country has been living beyond its means".

    That's true of all developed world countries.

    The combination of rising life expectancy, promised pensions, increasingly expensive healthcare, and low birthrates is absolutely toxic for the sustainability of developed world government finances.
    So the current welfare and pensions legislation is the Corn Laws of our age. Who will be brave enough to repeal them?
    One of two things will happen. We will either elect a government who has the mandate and the popular consent to drive through meaningful reform, or it will be forced on a government through circumstance eventually. It would be far, far preferable for the former, rather than the latter, to give it democratic legitimacy. The latter option risks a significant, and possibly very dangerous, counter-reaction.
    Why would oldies vote to have fewer sweeties?
    They will vote for fewer sweeties for themselves if a) they think they have enough sweeties to get by and b) they want to ensure their grandchildren have enough sweeties as well.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,144
    Get ready for the Putinwave.

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/07/09/russia-seeks-to-recruit-1mln-indian-workers-in-2025-urals-chamber-of-commerce-head-says-a89748

    Russia expects to recruit as many as 1 million workers from India by the end of the year, said Andrei Besedin, head of the Ural Chamber of Commerce and Industry, citing his Indian counterparts.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,749

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lindayaX

    After two incredible years, I’ve decided to step down as CEO of 𝕏.

    https://x.com/lindayaX/status/1942957094811951197

    Translation: you can't pay me enough for this Nazi shit, Elon.
    I want everyone to know that I would do the Nazi shit for $5m/year - I'm happy for that to be in options, but they do need be put options.
    What if Grok starts attacking Radiohead?
    Certainly on the right path to true AI then.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,250
    stodge said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today's Times, page 6.

    "Britain "cannot afford the array of promises it has made to the public", the budget watchdog has concluded in a stark warning that the country has been living beyond its means".

    That's true of all developed world countries.

    The combination of rising life expectancy, promised pensions, increasingly expensive healthcare, and low birthrates is absolutely toxic for the sustainability of developed world government finances.
    So the current welfare and pensions legislation is the Corn Laws of our age. Who will be brave enough to repeal them?
    One of two things will happen. We will either elect a government who has the mandate and the popular consent to drive through meaningful reform, or it will be forced on a government through circumstance eventually. It would be far, far preferable for the former, rather than the latter, to give it democratic legitimacy. The latter option risks a significant, and possibly very dangerous, counter-reaction.
    Why would oldies vote to have fewer sweeties?
    They will vote for fewer sweeties for themselves if a) they think they have enough sweeties to get by and b) they want to ensure their grandchildren have enough sweeties as well.
    They do like to have control of the sweeties so they can choose who else gets them
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,250
    Andy_JS said:

    "Jofra Archer will play his first Test in more than four years after being named in the England team to face India at Lord's on Thursday. The 30-year-old's inclusion is the only change to the England team for the crucial third Test, with the series level at 1-1. Despite Chris Woakes and Brydon Carse both looking weary in the heavy second-Test defeat at Edgbaston, they are both retained, with Josh Tongue making way for Archer."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c77vk1k5n27o

    They're going to break him again, 2 tired quicks and 2 partially knacked quicks...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,069
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/tony-blairs-staff-reportedly-involved-in-project-for-controversial-gaza-day-after-plan/00000197-e4d8-d5bc-a597-efd944f80000

    "The project also proposes paying about $9,000 each to half a million Gazans to relocate from the Strip."
    Well, that is better than the traditional way of ethnically cleansing.

    Does the proposal mention where said 500,000 Gazans are to be relocated to? I'm assuming not the West Bank, so therefore you would need to find another Middle Eastern country to take them.
    A location was not given in the reporting i saw.

    None of this is actually connected to a government. There doesn't seem much reason to take any of the details that seriously. Its just getting reported because a loose link to Blair, as far as I can tell.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,209
    Sky News getting excited about the idea of a wealth tax.

    "What is a wealth tax, how would it work in the UK and where else has one?
    The idea of a wealth tax has been raised before in the UK but has never been implemented."

    https://news.sky.com/story/what-is-a-wealth-tax-how-would-it-work-in-the-uk-and-where-else-has-one-13394144
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,637
    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Jofra Archer will play his first Test in more than four years after being named in the England team to face India at Lord's on Thursday. The 30-year-old's inclusion is the only change to the England team for the crucial third Test, with the series level at 1-1. Despite Chris Woakes and Brydon Carse both looking weary in the heavy second-Test defeat at Edgbaston, they are both retained, with Josh Tongue making way for Archer."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c77vk1k5n27o

    They're going to break him again, 2 tired quicks and 2 partially knacked quicks...
    I foresee Joe Root bowling a lot of overs at Lord's.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,209
    edited July 9
    Djokovic to lose the first seat and win 3-1 again?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951
    Dorkovic loses first set against Cobolli on the tie-break 7-6.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,828
    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News getting excited about the idea of a wealth tax.

    "What is a wealth tax, how would it work in the UK and where else has one?
    The idea of a wealth tax has been raised before in the UK but has never been implemented."

    https://news.sky.com/story/what-is-a-wealth-tax-how-would-it-work-in-the-uk-and-where-else-has-one-13394144

    If the government wants to boost its popularity and raise some revenue that might be an option.

    75% of voters back a wealth tax of 2% on wealth over £10 million, 13% opposed.

    88% of Labour voters, 83% of LDs, even 62% of Tory and 55% of Reform voters in favour


    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/07/08/3086a/1
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,069
    Dopermean said:

    Dopermean said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    "Gentrification" is often opposed because it doesn't help the previous residents.
    Particularly if it involves ethnic cleansing...

    Is the MBS highway named after the leader of Saudi Arabia?
    That's a new low for Tony Blair if he's actively involved in Trump's Riviera planning
    He's not. Some people who work for him were involved. There's no evidence Blair knew about this AIUI.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,601
    edited July 9
    Pulpstar said:

    Gov't approval nadirs/zeniths under previous PMs. (Yougov chart starts Feb 2011)

    18/61 Cameron 5th June, 2016 (Resigned 24th June) (Height 40/44 shortly after winning majority)
    9/72 May 13th May, 2019 (Announced resignation 24th May) (Height 35/41 (Start of GE 17 campaign early April)
    13/63 Johnson (18/64 just before he left office) (Height 44/35, Boris has just beaten Covid (personally))
    8/77 Truss (Height 14/67) (Gov't v unpopular throughout her brief term)
    12/73 Sunak (Height 18/63)
    13/68 Starmer (Height 29/29 29th July 2024, start of term)

    These figures arent quite right.
    Truss bottomed at 6/82 2 days before Sunak took over and topped at 21/58 during the mourning period
    Rishis bottom was 12/74 during the GE campaign, best 19/59 in June 23

    Boris hit 52/26 as Covid lockdown began

    Excel spreadsheet from YG here https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/government-approval
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,828
    Sean_F said:

    It doesn't matter how disliked Reform are. If the government's approval rating remains at that level, Labour will obtain a similar result to the Conservatives in 2024.

    Then it all depends on how many MPs the LDs and Tories and SNP and Greens win whether Farage or Starmer becomes PM if a hung parliament
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,716
    Andy_JS said:

    Prediction: fairly soon, prisoners will claim they need smartphones as part of their human rights.

    I think they should have free treadmills.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,512
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News getting excited about the idea of a wealth tax.

    "What is a wealth tax, how would it work in the UK and where else has one?
    The idea of a wealth tax has been raised before in the UK but has never been implemented."

    https://news.sky.com/story/what-is-a-wealth-tax-how-would-it-work-in-the-uk-and-where-else-has-one-13394144

    If the government wants to boost its popularity and raise some revenue that might be an option.

    75% of voters back a wealth tax of 2% on wealth over £10 million, 13% opposed.

    88% of Labour voters, 83% of LDs, even 62% of Tory and 55% of Reform voters in favour


    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/07/08/3086a/1
    Unfortunately for the UK the 13% who oppose are the ones paying the rump of tax and also the most able to leave.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,601
    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News getting excited about the idea of a wealth tax.

    "What is a wealth tax, how would it work in the UK and where else has one?
    The idea of a wealth tax has been raised before in the UK but has never been implemented."

    https://news.sky.com/story/what-is-a-wealth-tax-how-would-it-work-in-the-uk-and-where-else-has-one-13394144

    Who can we fleece? How hard can we fleece them and how many saucy nurses will it buy?
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 349
    Off topic - if pomegranates taste fermented/alcoholic does that mean they've gone bad?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,601
    boulay said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News getting excited about the idea of a wealth tax.

    "What is a wealth tax, how would it work in the UK and where else has one?
    The idea of a wealth tax has been raised before in the UK but has never been implemented."

    https://news.sky.com/story/what-is-a-wealth-tax-how-would-it-work-in-the-uk-and-where-else-has-one-13394144

    If the government wants to boost its popularity and raise some revenue that might be an option.

    75% of voters back a wealth tax of 2% on wealth over £10 million, 13% opposed.

    88% of Labour voters, 83% of LDs, even 62% of Tory and 55% of Reform voters in favour


    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/07/08/3086a/1
    Unfortunately for the UK the 13% who oppose are the ones paying the rump of tax and also the most able to leave.
    And the 75% that support will be less in favour when the wealthy business owner they work for lays off some staff
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,603

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/tony-blairs-staff-reportedly-involved-in-project-for-controversial-gaza-day-after-plan/00000197-e4d8-d5bc-a597-efd944f80000

    "The project also proposes paying about $9,000 each to half a million Gazans to relocate from the Strip."
    Well, that is better than the traditional way of ethnically cleansing.

    Does the proposal mention where said 500,000 Gazans are to be relocated to? I'm assuming not the West Bank, so therefore you would need to find another Middle Eastern country to take them.
    A location was not given in the reporting i saw.

    None of this is actually connected to a government. There doesn't seem much reason to take any of the details that seriously. Its just getting reported because a loose link to Blair, as far as I can tell.
    I expect they'll come here. Every other Tom, Dick and Harry from the Middle East does. $9,000 should pay the people smugglers.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,828
    boulay said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News getting excited about the idea of a wealth tax.

    "What is a wealth tax, how would it work in the UK and where else has one?
    The idea of a wealth tax has been raised before in the UK but has never been implemented."

    https://news.sky.com/story/what-is-a-wealth-tax-how-would-it-work-in-the-uk-and-where-else-has-one-13394144

    If the government wants to boost its popularity and raise some revenue that might be an option.

    75% of voters back a wealth tax of 2% on wealth over £10 million, 13% opposed.

    88% of Labour voters, 83% of LDs, even 62% of Tory and 55% of Reform voters in favour


    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/07/08/3086a/1
    Unfortunately for the UK the 13% who oppose are the ones paying the rump of tax and also the most able to leave.
    It is actually less than 1% who would have assets over £10 million liable for the wealth tax in that question, though yes they invest a lot in this country and some might leave if it was introduced
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,119

    Off topic - if pomegranates taste fermented/alcoholic does that mean they've gone bad?

    The ZOE lot would probably say they are better for you than before!
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,169
    FPT

    Sean_F said:

    Asylum seeker can stay in UK because of speech impediment
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/09/asylum-seeker-can-stay-in-uk-because-of-speech-impediment/

    Putting aside the clickbait title, the crux seems to be that he has become active on social media / going to demonstrations while in the UK illegally. He hasn't been able to prove his claims of attending demonstrations while in Iraq.

    This again seems a very easy way to game the system. Get here, while the system is sorting out your claim, get mouthy on socials in English, then claim I can't go back because somebody might find my Faceache posts. Job done.

    Does anybody get an asylum claim rejected, these days?
    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

    In 2024, 53% were refused at initial decision (not counting withdrawals).

    https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf has more: see figures on pages 12-15.
    What about after all the appeals? As it seems a lot of these reports are often after several appeals it the original Home Office decision gets overturned.
    The number of appeals won is high, however it depends how many of those rejected actually appeal. At the moment on your figures 53% get rejected....not if only 10% appeal but 75% win on appeal thats a lot different in all 53% appeal and 75% win
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,693
    edited July 9
    This is the worst government of my entire life: by a distance. They’ve done far more damage than Truss. And on and on it goes
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951
    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The Tony Blair plan for Trump Gaza:

    https://x.com/adam_tooze/status/1942920419448688674

    image

    If the people of Gaza are to see development, peace, clean water, jobs, and safety, then I am 100% in favour.

    If this is planned for after the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, with the surving people forced into the Sinai desert, than I am not.
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/tony-blairs-staff-reportedly-involved-in-project-for-controversial-gaza-day-after-plan/00000197-e4d8-d5bc-a597-efd944f80000

    "The project also proposes paying about $9,000 each to half a million Gazans to relocate from the Strip."
    Well, that is better than the traditional way of ethnically cleansing.

    Does the proposal mention where said 500,000 Gazans are to be relocated to? I'm assuming not the West Bank, so therefore you would need to find another Middle Eastern country to take them.
    A location was not given in the reporting i saw.

    None of this is actually connected to a government. There doesn't seem much reason to take any of the details that seriously. Its just getting reported because a loose link to Blair, as far as I can tell.
    I expect they'll come here. Every other Tom, Dick and Harry from the Middle East does. $9,000 should pay the people smugglers.
    So Trump will be funding the people smugglers?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951

    Off topic - if pomegranates taste fermented/alcoholic does that mean they've gone bad?

    Probably.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,512
    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News getting excited about the idea of a wealth tax.

    "What is a wealth tax, how would it work in the UK and where else has one?
    The idea of a wealth tax has been raised before in the UK but has never been implemented."

    https://news.sky.com/story/what-is-a-wealth-tax-how-would-it-work-in-the-uk-and-where-else-has-one-13394144

    If the government wants to boost its popularity and raise some revenue that might be an option.

    75% of voters back a wealth tax of 2% on wealth over £10 million, 13% opposed.

    88% of Labour voters, 83% of LDs, even 62% of Tory and 55% of Reform voters in favour


    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/07/08/3086a/1
    Unfortunately for the UK the 13% who oppose are the ones paying the rump of tax and also the most able to leave.
    It is actually less than 1% who would have assets over £10 million liable for the wealth tax in that question, though yes they invest a lot in this country and some might leave if it was introduced
    The people who aren’t the 1% with assets over £10m but still wealthy will realise that if the 1% leave then their tax will need replacing from somewhere - who will that be? So they will also start planning to leave before the tax man comes for them too.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,632
    scampi25 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stay classy,

    Effigies of lifejacket-wearing migrants in boats have been placed on a village bonfire in a display condemned by critics as 'sickening' and 'racist'. A sign saying 'Stop the boats' was also attached to the pyre in Moygashel, on the outskirts of Dungannon in Co Tyrone in Northern Ireland, prompting protests.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14889681/Fury-racist-village-bonfire-effigy-migrants-stop-boats.html

    I'd be inclined to deport these people to an unsafe third country.
    So you're happy to deport UK citizens.... Interesting. The stupid left never fail to deliver.
    It's ok, they could be stripped of their British citizenship first because they are all eligible for Irish citizenship as well!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,144
    Can @rcs1000 confirm that the traffic situation in LA has improved?

    https://x.com/StephenM/status/1942981399080018275

    What if, this entire time, the key to fixing our cities was enforcing our immigration laws?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,169
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today's Times, page 6.

    "Britain "cannot afford the array of promises it has made to the public", the budget watchdog has concluded in a stark warning that the country has been living beyond its means".

    That's true of all developed world countries.

    The combination of rising life expectancy, promised pensions, increasingly expensive healthcare, and low birthrates is absolutely toxic for the sustainability of developed world government finances.
    So the current welfare and pensions legislation is the Corn Laws of our age. Who will be brave enough to repeal them?
    Here's the thing: every year the number of retirees relative to the number of workers increases. That means the people with the votes have no interest in the system changing.

    Eventually the young will revolt: probably by moving to places where the oldies take a smaller piece of the pie.
    Don't be silly to young won't revolt they would need to look up from their phones to do so
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,180
    edited July 9
    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News getting excited about the idea of a wealth tax.

    "What is a wealth tax, how would it work in the UK and where else has one?
    The idea of a wealth tax has been raised before in the UK but has never been implemented."

    https://news.sky.com/story/what-is-a-wealth-tax-how-would-it-work-in-the-uk-and-where-else-has-one-13394144

    IMO it's a fairly naive, silly article from Sky (as you say, "excited") - afaics they only focus on the "2% above £10m worth" option. Our moronic media will go up the gum tree as they always do, yammering on about extreme options - exactly as the "Labour will tax you until your pips squeak" bollocks we had from the papers and the opposition politicians in the run up to the election.

    At least Sky mention the Swiss option which is at much lower levels and is applied more widely and less regressively, and which afaik is about the only one that works in raising a decent amount of money.

    Labour would be better saying "nothing like this in the current term - Kemi and Nigel are a couple of BS merchants", and close all the other loopholes of which lists have been published.

    Then pivot Council Tax to a % of property value, or at least with no upper bands and make it linear, which is a type of wealth tax on our most featherbedded type of wealth. That would then begin to slay the house price inflation demon and make property more affordable, a superb contrast to the morally-bankrupt Conservative never-ending feeding of the demand side with subsidies, which makes the house price inflation worse.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,395
    edited July 9

    UK government’s deal with Google ‘dangerously naive’, say campaigners

    Company to provide free technology and ‘upskill’ civil servants but concerns raised over UK data being held on US servers

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jul/09/uk-governments-deal-with-google-dangerously-naive-say-campaigners

    There is absolutely no way the American government would allow this in reverse.

    If you've ever wondered why Britain has fallen behind America and China in the tech world, this shows why. No investment in homegrown facilities or talent, over decades.

    This is stupid on national security grounds, and equally stupid on development grounds.

    British Job For British Workers Drinking British Pints....

    I would say one of the biggest issues why Britain has fallen behind despite having very good universities, lack of investment in GPUs and the infrastructure to host them. Ask people in the university sector doing research into ML in the UK what they have and then tell people who work at Google, Meta, etc, even companies like PInterest, and they will piss themselves laughing.

    Good job the UK government is investing in, checks notes, AMD GPU powered data centres....

    To be fair there are some compute units that should come online soon that were authoritised by the previous government. Isambard one in Bristol to be shared among several universities in that region. But it still small beans.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,169
    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News getting excited about the idea of a wealth tax.

    "What is a wealth tax, how would it work in the UK and where else has one?
    The idea of a wealth tax has been raised before in the UK but has never been implemented."

    https://news.sky.com/story/what-is-a-wealth-tax-how-would-it-work-in-the-uk-and-where-else-has-one-13394144

    IMO it's a fairly naive, silly article from Sky (as you say, "excited") - afaics they only focus on the "2% above £10m worth" option. Our moronic media will go up the gum tree as they always do, yammering on about extreme options - exactly as the "Labour will tax you until your pips squeak" bollocks we had from the papers and the opposition politicians in the run up to the election.

    At least Sky mention the Swiss option which is at much lower levels and is applied more widely and less regressively, and which afaik is about the only one that works in raising a decent amount of money.

    Labour would be better saying "nothing like this in the current term - Kemi and Nigel are a couple of BS merchants", and close all the other loopholes of which lists have been published.

    Then pivot Council Tax to a % of property value, or at least with no upper bands and make it linear, which is a type of wealth tax on our most featherbedded type of wealth. That would then begin to slay the house price inflation demon and make property more affordable, a superb contrast to the morally-bankrupt Conservative never-ending feeding of the demand side with subsidies, which makes the house price inflation worse.
    Pivoting council tax to property value is going to drive renters out of better area's. Who renting is going to pay a council tax based on property value in london
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,181
    Scott_xP said:

    @lindayaX

    After two incredible years, I’ve decided to step down as CEO of 𝕏.

    https://x.com/lindayaX/status/1942957094811951197

    So incredible even Linda Yaccarino couldn't believe what a shit show it is.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 349
    edited July 9
    I see Alistair and Rory have decided that they've been quiet for too long and need to criticise Israel on their podcast. Fair enough.

    I'm not a regular listener but I wonder if they have also been silent on the cesspit that was Gaza before October 2023 and the role of all the international aid and charitable organisations that were complicit in it. Hamas built a network of tunnels bigger than the London underground headquartered next to hospitals and had schools indoctrinating children against Jews. Are we to believe that none of the agencies knew anything about this? That they were blissfully unaware of how all their aid was being mis-used in Gaza by psychopathic savages intent on violence? At the very least I'd like some question to be asked of them not be constantly treated like paragons on the BBC and Sky News as they detail Israel's crimes.

    There's a lot of hate for the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (inevitable since it is American/Israeli) but can well understand why Israel has taken the steps it has to take control of the aid distribution system from the international bodies who's goods always seemed to find their way into Hamas' hands. Of course the GHF is dubbed 'controversial' by the media whilst the UN bodies are not controversial. Who gets to decide on that?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,395
    I think we are seeing again a load of anchoring going on....nudge nudge to the media all these extreme changes to taxes, then when they don't come about but still raise taxes by loads, it will be seen as not as bad as it could have been.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,693
    edited July 9

    I think we are seeing again a load of anchoring going on....nudge nudge to the media all these extreme changes to taxes, then when they don't come about but still raise taxes by loads, it will be seen as not as bad as it could have been.

    It’s not going to work. They’re terrible at retail politics
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,250
    Pagan2 said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News getting excited about the idea of a wealth tax.

    "What is a wealth tax, how would it work in the UK and where else has one?
    The idea of a wealth tax has been raised before in the UK but has never been implemented."

    https://news.sky.com/story/what-is-a-wealth-tax-how-would-it-work-in-the-uk-and-where-else-has-one-13394144

    IMO it's a fairly naive, silly article from Sky (as you say, "excited") - afaics they only focus on the "2% above £10m worth" option. Our moronic media will go up the gum tree as they always do, yammering on about extreme options - exactly as the "Labour will tax you until your pips squeak" bollocks we had from the papers and the opposition politicians in the run up to the election.

    At least Sky mention the Swiss option which is at much lower levels and is applied more widely and less regressively, and which afaik is about the only one that works in raising a decent amount of money.

    Labour would be better saying "nothing like this in the current term - Kemi and Nigel are a couple of BS merchants", and close all the other loopholes of which lists have been published.

    Then pivot Council Tax to a % of property value, or at least with no upper bands and make it linear, which is a type of wealth tax on our most featherbedded type of wealth. That would then begin to slay the house price inflation demon and make property more affordable, a superb contrast to the morally-bankrupt Conservative never-ending feeding of the demand side with subsidies, which makes the house price inflation worse.
    Pivoting council tax to property value is going to drive renters out of better area's. Who renting is going to pay a council tax based on property value in london
    It's a local tax not national, you don't pay 10x the council tax for a studio flat in London as you would for a 2up2down terrace in Grimsby.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 349
    A friend of mine is moving to Surrey. She's found a place to rent for £1300pcm that is in council tax band B. Rather confusing for me as I'm in band C and I don't think I could rent my flat for anything like that!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,395
    edited July 9
    Leon said:

    I think we are seeing again a load of anchoring going on....nudge nudge to the media all these extreme changes to taxes, then when they don't come about but still raise taxes by loads, it will be seen as not as bad as it could have been.

    It’s not going to work. They’re terrible at retail politics
    Well it didn't work last time when people realised some of it. I still don't think people fully comprehend the NI changes.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,114
    Leon said:

    This is the worst government of my entire life: by a distance. They’ve done far more damage than Truss. And on and on it goes

    As indeed do you.
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