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  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,378
    Off topic: It is understandable that the Loser is willing to be Putin’s Patsy.
    In April, Trump beseeched Putin: “Vladimir, STOP!” Vladimir hasn’t stopped, yet Trump does not appear to be applying pressure to back up his words. Instead, at the Group of Seven summit in Canada recently, Trump complained about Russia’s expulsion from the group. He apparently continues to speak regularly and cordially with Putin, who has been indicted as a war criminal by the International Criminal Court and is a pariah throughout the West. And the Trump administration continues to block legislation, with more than 80 sponsors, that would impose tariffs of 500 percent on any nations that buy Russia’s energy products.
    (Links omitted.)
    source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/07/03/trump-iran-russia-ukraine/

    What I find hard to understand is why so many Americans are willing to be Putin’s Patsy’s patsies. It’s as if they think the Declaration of Independence was a mistake.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,476
    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    Only for ideological atheists
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,869
    Why did we bowl first?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,476

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,470
    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,717
    Not sure about England choosing to field either her or quite honestly the first test. It's still an advantage I reckon; just because we can win batting second and fourth doesn't mean we should try and choose to win that way every time.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,343
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    No, the hype around Semaglutide and Tirzepide is kosher, a real breakthrough.

    The number of people that I see in my diabetic clinics who have shed weight of several stones is now a routine, often having failed on various diets for years. In addition it has anti-inflammatory properties so often back and knee pain is better even before weight loss occurs, hence allowing a much more active lifestyle.

    Yes. They absolutely work

    My sister has struggled with her weight all her life. Miserably. After 8 months of wegovy (or whatever) and she is - for the first time in many years - a healthy weight and she also seems calmer, somehow. Mellower

    Hard to put a finger on it but it’s done something positive to her persona as well as her BMI. Maybe because she’s stopped self loathing?

    They work. Wes is right. Dish them out
    The GLP-1s really are wonder drugs. They were originally developed for diabetes and the weight loss was a side effect, but have now moved to get an obesity indication.

    There is potential for them to treat other conditions as well - for example, there is evidence that they may help reduce dementia risk:

    https://alz-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/alz.090259

    In essence, the drugs reduce inflammation, which is a problem for many diseases.

    Unsurprisingly, there is also a new generation of these drugs in clinical trial currently, which could potentially help reduce costs
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,988

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    No, the hype around Semaglutide and Tirzepide is kosher, a real breakthrough.

    The number of people that I see in my diabetic clinics who have shed weight of several stones is now a routine, often having failed on various diets for years. In addition it has anti-inflammatory properties so often back and knee pain is better even before weight loss occurs, hence allowing a much more active lifestyle.
    Are we seeing much long term use data yet? I recall something about the effects starting to drop off after a year or so, but that was a while ago.
    Weight loss bottoms out after a couple of years, but there seem no additional safety concerns after that, with many staying on it for longer. My experience is mostly for treatment of type 2 DM rather than obesity.

    Mood often improves too, but that may relate to drinking less and better self confidence rather than a primary effect.



  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,287
    Cookie said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    Well no. And I can't state for sure that there is not a new species of small rodent living in the space under my house, for the
    reasons you set out. But under the circumstances, my belief that there is not seems more reasonable than a belief that there is.
    And yet for thousands of years humanity has believed otherwise
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,927
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    No, the hype around Semaglutide and Tirzepide is kosher, a real breakthrough.

    The number of people that I see in my diabetic clinics who have shed weight of several stones is now a routine, often having failed on various diets for years. In addition it has anti-inflammatory properties so often back and knee pain is better even before weight loss occurs, hence allowing a much more active lifestyle.

    Yes. They absolutely work

    My sister has struggled with her weight all her life. Miserably. After 8 months of wegovy (or whatever) and she is - for the first time in many years - a healthy weight and she also seems calmer, somehow. Mellower

    Hard to put a finger on it but it’s done something positive to her persona as well as her BMI. Maybe because she’s stopped self loathing?

    They work. Wes is right. Dish them out
    They certainly work.
    The open questions around them are more about the long term use (largely unknown, but worth the risk given the benefits), and the significant percentage who discontinue the treatment (and why).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,476
    Andy_JS said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    Tories heading for 5th position.

    Incidentally there's a by-election in Fulham Town today which I think the LDs will probably win from the Tories.
    Kemi's problem is she is not rightwing enough for Reform voters but too rightwing for Labour or LD voters while also lacking in charisma.

    She is doing some good work on policy but if the Tories are still below 20% in the polls next year Conservative MPs will likely remove her and either shift back to the centre with Cleverly or further to the populist right with Jenrick
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,904
    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    I'm actually reasonably fit for a 50 year old - I cycled the width of England on Saturday - yet I'm still a massive fat bastard.
    Actually, I saw the number '14' in the 'st' column on the scales this morning for the first time in over a decade. But that's mainly because I've been ill for three days. It'll go back on as soon as I resume eating three meals a day.
    You cycled more than the width: you could have made your life a whole bunch easier by starting at Gretna Green.
    I think I did it as optimally as I could. I reckon it to be 56 miles from Rockcliffe on the Eden estuary (between Carlisle and Gretna) to Wylam on the Tyne estuary west of Newcastle, by the most direct route. Which is pretty much the route I took. Almost all traffic-minimal (tractors more common than cars) and quite a lot of traffic free. Which is a challenge, but a surprisingly short distance given it’s a trip you can practically see on the scale of a globe.
    Plus the four miles or so from Carlisle of Gretna to Rockcliffe at the start (there’s not much in it it terms of which is closer but I chose Carlisle because there is a direct train from Manchester – and indeed from Newcastle), and the ten miles or so from Wylam to Newcastle at the end (you could just get on a train at Wylam but the ten miles is flat and off road and easy). I made it 72 miles in total for the route I went. (Plus 6 miles at the start and end from my home suburb to the relevant Central Manchester stations).
    Enough to feel pleased with yourself but surprisingly doable. I recommend it. You can even choose which way around you do it depending on the wind direction on the day.
    Did you follow the military road beside Hadrian’s Wall. It’s a great road as long as you get enough momentum down the dips to help you up the other side.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,945
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    No, the hype around Semaglutide and Tirzepide is kosher, a real breakthrough.

    The number of people that I see in my diabetic clinics who have shed weight of several stones is now a routine, often having failed on various diets for years. In addition it has anti-inflammatory properties so often back and knee pain is better even before weight loss occurs, hence allowing a much more active lifestyle.

    Yes. They absolutely work

    My sister has struggled with her weight all her life. Miserably. After 8 months of wegovy (or whatever) and she is - for the first time in many years - a healthy weight and she also seems calmer, somehow. Mellower

    Hard to put a finger on it but it’s done something positive to her persona as well as her BMI. Maybe because she’s stopped self loathing?

    They work. Wes is right. Dish them out
    Good news if you are also eating a healthy diet.

    Be on those medications and stick with a rich, fatty diet and the evidence is starting to point towards significant risk of pancreas trouble - which no-one sensible would volunteer for.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,470
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    No, the hype around Semaglutide and Tirzepide is kosher, a real breakthrough.

    The number of people that I see in my diabetic clinics who have shed weight of several stones is now a routine, often having failed on various diets for years. In addition it has anti-inflammatory properties so often back and knee pain is better even before weight loss occurs, hence allowing a much more active lifestyle.

    Yes. They absolutely work

    My sister has struggled with her weight all her life. Miserably. After 8 months of wegovy (or whatever) and she is - for the first time in many years - a healthy weight and she also seems calmer, somehow. Mellower

    Hard to put a finger on it but it’s done something positive to her persona as well as her BMI. Maybe because she’s stopped self loathing?

    They work. Wes is right. Dish them out
    They certainly work.
    The open questions around them are more about the long term use (largely unknown, but worth the risk given the benefits), and the significant percentage who discontinue the treatment (and why).
    Indeed

    I read a long FT article on this and the main reason people stop (apparently) is

    1. Cost

    And

    2. They don’t like “being on drugs”. Which is vague but I get it

    The former will be fixed soon as new drug varieties flood the market and the second may need a change of mindset. No one thinks it’s bad if people with hypothyroidism (like me) take levothyrozine forever. So why angst about GLPs?

    Man is a broken animal, these drugs seem to fix quite a few things. I’m rather enjoying the ability to stop after 2-3 glasses of wine no problem, whereas before I would ALWAYS finish the whole bottle

    I have paid a price - the joyousness of drunkenness has diminished. But hey. I can always quit the drugs and go back on the booze if and when. Right now it’s my liver that needs a break and she’s getting it
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,988
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    No, the hype around Semaglutide and Tirzepide is kosher, a real breakthrough.

    The number of people that I see in my diabetic clinics who have shed weight of several stones is now a routine, often having failed on various diets for years. In addition it has anti-inflammatory properties so often back and knee pain is better even before weight loss occurs, hence allowing a much more active lifestyle.

    Yes. They absolutely work

    My sister has struggled with her weight all her life. Miserably. After 8 months of wegovy (or whatever) and she is - for the first time in many years - a healthy weight and she also seems calmer, somehow. Mellower

    Hard to put a finger on it but it’s done something positive to her persona as well as her BMI. Maybe because she’s stopped self loathing?

    They work. Wes is right. Dish them out
    Good news if you are also eating a healthy diet.

    Be on those medications and stick with a rich, fatty diet and the evidence is starting to point towards significant risk of pancreas trouble - which no-one sensible would volunteer for.
    They do tend to cause indigestion sensations with fatty foods, so people generally avoid them.

    If someone is daft enough to continue a high fat diet with them then they will have side effects.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,869
    edited July 3
    Pulpstar said:

    Not sure about England choosing to field either her or quite honestly the first test. It's still an advantage I reckon; just because we can win batting second and fourth doesn't mean we should try and choose to win that way every time.

    I remember the 1997 Ashes well. Old Trafford, damp first morning and Taylor elects bat. Everyone scratches their head, but Australia muster 235. The sun comes out on day 2 and the pitch churns up nicely for Warne.

    Next test at Headingley, similarly damp, but with a lot of rain about, Taylor bowls first.

    Obviously, it helps when you're bowling attack is as good and varied as what Australia had back then, but Taylor judged every match on its merits.

    Steve Waugh annoyed Warne by bowling first a lot of the time simply because the pace attack was so good.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,029
    edited July 3

    Off topic: It is understandable that the Loser is willing to be Putin’s Patsy.

    In April, Trump beseeched Putin: “Vladimir, STOP!” Vladimir hasn’t stopped, yet Trump does not appear to be applying pressure to back up his words. Instead, at the Group of Seven summit in Canada recently, Trump complained about Russia’s expulsion from the group. He apparently continues to speak regularly and cordially with Putin, who has been indicted as a war criminal by the International Criminal Court and is a pariah throughout the West. And the Trump administration continues to block legislation, with more than 80 sponsors, that would impose tariffs of 500 percent on any nations that buy Russia’s energy products.
    (Links omitted.)
    source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/07/03/trump-iran-russia-ukraine/

    What I find hard to understand is why so many Americans are willing to be Putin’s Patsy’s patsies. It’s as if they think the Declaration of Independence was a mistake.

    ***

    Are we any nearer to knowing if America will stay involved in defending Ukraine if there's no peace deal?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,945
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,476
    edited July 3
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Has the Big Bang ever truly been objectively proven? Even if who created the Big Bang? Some still even reject evolution
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,378
    Until after World War II, the US had Navy and War departments. (FDR put Republicans Frank Knox and Henry Stimson in charge of them, before Pearl Harbor. Which was shrewd of FDR.)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,096
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    Losing weight is far more about diet than exercise anyway. I do less running than ever now, but have lost the best part of a stone in the last year from changing what I eat (drink). Obviously exercise is important as well, and I do a fair bit, but it's not that efficient if what you want is to weigh less
    Yeah of course, you can't outrun a shit diet which is again another reason the state needs to start looking at personal responsibility, self help and helping people help themselves rather than just high value monetary handouts to fund a daily delivery of takeaway food.
    While you can't outrun a shit diet, I reckon you can outcycle it: particularly if you are willing to put the hours in, and if you live somewhere hilly. When I was really pushing myself last year, I'd do 80 miles of cycling with 2,000-3,000 meters of climbing on a Sunday morning. That's probably 3-4,000 active calories. You have to eat a lot too avoid losing weight at quite a clip if you do that multiple times a week.
    Hopefully not applicable in your case, but there's a nasty syndrome that's becoming better-known amongst certain sport sectors: RED-S (Relative energy deficiency in sport). Basically, you can perform at the top level of a sport, but not be taking on enough calories for your general health. With women, this can lead to things like menstruation stopping. In men, erectile disfunction. It also leads to brittle bones and lots of fractures.

    Although I haven't seen it described as such, it does sound like anorexia for sportspeople.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_energy_deficiency_in_sport

    Top middle-distance triathlete Lionel Sanders talks about his diagnosis:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWdXfhFbysI
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,287

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    So Farage is saying his likely Reform candidates at the next election won't be up to the job?
    It’s this sort of misrepresentation (not specifically you) that is so frustrating

    Farage is making a reasonable point - that not ever potentially good minister wants to be a politician. The important thing is that they are accountable to MPs rather than they are an MP.

    That doesn’t mean he wants to “copy Trump” or “none of his candidates are up to the job”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,470
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    No, the hype around Semaglutide and Tirzepide is kosher, a real breakthrough.

    The number of people that I see in my diabetic clinics who have shed weight of several stones is now a routine, often having failed on various diets for years. In addition it has anti-inflammatory properties so often back and knee pain is better even before weight loss occurs, hence allowing a much more active lifestyle.

    Yes. They absolutely work

    My sister has struggled with her weight all her life. Miserably. After 8 months of wegovy (or whatever) and she is - for the first time in many years - a healthy weight and she also seems calmer, somehow. Mellower

    Hard to put a finger on it but it’s done something positive to her persona as well as her BMI. Maybe because she’s stopped self loathing?

    They work. Wes is right. Dish them out
    Good news if you are also eating a healthy diet.

    Be on those medications and stick with a rich, fatty diet and the evidence is starting to point towards significant risk of pancreas trouble - which no-one sensible would volunteer for.
    They do tend to cause indigestion sensations with fatty foods, so people generally avoid them.

    If someone is daft enough to continue a high fat diet with them then they will have side effects.
    The few occasions I’ve combined a really high fat overly rich meal with Mounjaro (my GLP poison) leave me feeling a bit queasy. So I just don’t do it any more. Tho it was rare anyway
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,056

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    So Farage is saying his likely Reform candidates at the next election won't be up to the job?
    You won't get the same honesty from the other party leaders.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,945
    edited July 3
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    No, the hype around Semaglutide and Tirzepide is kosher, a real breakthrough.

    The number of people that I see in my diabetic clinics who have shed weight of several stones is now a routine, often having failed on various diets for years. In addition it has anti-inflammatory properties so often back and knee pain is better even before weight loss occurs, hence allowing a much more active lifestyle.

    Yes. They absolutely work

    My sister has struggled with her weight all her life. Miserably. After 8 months of wegovy (or whatever) and she is - for the first time in many years - a healthy weight and she also seems calmer, somehow. Mellower

    Hard to put a finger on it but it’s done something positive to her persona as well as her BMI. Maybe because she’s stopped self loathing?

    They work. Wes is right. Dish them out
    Good news if you are also eating a healthy diet.

    Be on those medications and stick with a rich, fatty diet and the evidence is starting to point towards significant risk of pancreas trouble - which no-one sensible would volunteer for.
    I eat an absurdly healthy diet. And have done for ages

    I adore fish and love to cook healthy meals at home. Nothing processed if I can help it. Cook from raw. I avoid takeaways universally (unless forced) and even in restaurants I’m careful and wary

    I think eating wholesome tucker is what has kept me healthy despite all the boozing and my earlier life on drugs

    Don’t smoke either. Exercise a LOT. (I’ve just done a 9 mile walk here in the Rhodopes)
    I’m knackered having just walked two miles to the Trondheim folk museum and two miles back. Mind you, it is up a bloody steep hill.

    Sunset here tonight, 2328.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,029
    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,945
    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    Peak PB Tory was early in May’s 2017 election campaign, when PB was like Clarkson Island for PB Tories. Once she unveiled some of her more imaginative policy ideas, the infestation of PB Tories abated considerably, and has never recovered.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,470
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Religious people seem to live happier, more purposeful lives. Multiple studies indicate this

    Is that proof? Not entirely, but it shows something

    And as @HYUFD notes, do we actually have proof of anything in physics? eg Do we live in a multiverse? Was there a big bang or not (some say not, now)? Or are we in a simulation - serious physicists think this is now possible

    If physics is positing the idea that we all exist in a ginormous video game and our individual lives are in fact an illusion then, quite frankly, the idea that we live in a universe ordained by a Creator which gives each of us, and the cosmos, moral and emotional meaning, seems easily as plausible and certainly preferable
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,455

    Good morning, everyone.

    If Starmer sacks his lightning rod he creates a vacancy.

    I wouldn't discount the possibility of her resigning.
    Mcfadden at least can talk the crap and would not be scared off by the minions
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,476
    edited July 3
    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    It is, most of the ones now voting Reform are really PB slash my taxes and spending, go to war on woke and send home the illegals than PB Tories. There is no point calling them PB Tories if they don't even vote for the party now
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,029
    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    Peak PB Tory was early in May’s 2017 election campaign, when PB was like Clarkson Island for PB Tories. Once she unveiled some of her more imaginative policy ideas, the infestation of PB Tories abated considerably, and has never recovered.
    Just before my time, that. What a pity. Sounds epic.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,097

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1940711973563380030

    MY SPECTATOR COVER ON A YEAR OF LABOUR
    🔥LEAKED MEMO: McSweeney predicted Starmer's problems with 'super actvist' MPs before the election
    🔥'Rachel is a study in Shakesperean tragedy'
    🔥Chief whip warned of welfare defeat 9 months ago/ was threatened with sack
    🔥No 10 now using 'synthetic voters' in fake focus groups
    🔥'We thought it was 2010, the public wanted 1997'

    Short excerpt from the Spectator article

    "...Like Dominic Cummings, he is enthused by the possibilities of technology to speed change, such as AI in the NHS or gamers being hired by the Ministry of Defence to fly drones. He is now experimenting with ‘synthetic voters’ – essentially fake focus groups of AI voters who can tell ministers more quickly and cheaply what the public thinks of policies. In the last week he has been reading The Technological Republic by Alexander Karp, co-founder of the tech firm Palantir, which argues that the West’s technical dominance over the past century has been down to collaboration between governments and tech firms..." - https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/can-keir-starmer-fend-off-labours-big-beasts/

    The Technological Republic can be found here:
    https://techrepublicbook.com/
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/213618136-the-technological-republic
    https://www.waterstones.com/book/the-technological-republic/alexander-c-karp/nicholas-w-zamiska/9781847928528

    I'll see if it's in the library
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,381
    edited July 3
    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    Peak PB Tory was early in May’s 2017 election campaign, when PB was like Clarkson Island for PB Tories. Once she unveiled some of her more imaginative policy ideas, the infestation of PB Tories abated considerably, and has never recovered.
    Just before my time, that. What a pity. Sounds epic.
    Real peak was in the good old Brown is a fucking moron/no hes the great clunking fist days of 2008-9
    That's when Tim formerly of this parish was calling everyone who pointed out he was talking out of his arse a pb tory
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,511
    Dura_Ace said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @FirstSquawk

    DEPUTY COMMANDER OF RUSSIAN NAVY KILLED IN RUSSIA'S KURSK REGION, GOVERNOR SAYS

    Along with a number of senior officers.
    https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1940673354865967113
    He might have been something in Naval Infantry, but the Chief of the Main Staff (ie Deputy CinC) of the Russian Navy is an Admiral not a Major General.

    I'm sure it's an honest mistake.
    Reuters appears to have made the same mistake.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/deputy-head-russian-navy-killed-by-ukraine-kursk-official-says-2025-07-03/

    Was he a marine ?
    According that article, he was. I just checked the Russian Navy website. Deputy CinC is Admiral Kasatonov.
    Strangely enough, the current First Sea Lord is a general.
    Yeah, I know him and served in 42 with him. He was a bit of a distressed purchase and hasty appointment following his predecessor's shagging antics.
    Which is odd given sailors' reputation for clean-living and sobriety when in port.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,945
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Religious people seem to live happier, more purposeful lives. Multiple studies indicate this

    Is that proof? Not entirely, but it shows something

    And as @HYUFD notes, do we actually have proof of anything in physics? eg Do we live in a multiverse? Was there a big bang or not (some say not, now)? Or are we in a simulation - serious physicists think this is now possible

    If physics is positing the idea that we all exist in a ginormous video game and our individual lives are in fact an illusion then, quite frankly, the idea that we live in a universe ordained by a Creator which gives each of us, and the cosmos, moral and emotional meaning, seems easily as plausible and certainly preferable
    The first might be a small part of why religion persists, but is irrelevant as to whether there is any truth in them.

    That some ideas might be preferable is another part of why religion persists, but again it irrelevant as to truth.

    Many things in science have absolute proof. Those that relate to fundamental questions arising from the early universe, not so much, but really not surprisingly so.

    Stand back and look at the massive range of purported facts (most mutually incompatible) that humanity’s myriad belief systems have advanced as truth, across the globe and since the dawn of history, and it’s reasonably obvious that all of them are merely human inventions.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,470
    On Starmer, he seems to have lost any sympathy in Fleet Street, which is not good at all for a PM (and after a year!)

    I can’t thing of a single major journalist who goes out to bat for him regularly. On the Guardian Marina Hyde is absolutely withering. From the left Owen Jones despises him. Etc

    In the Telegraph yesterday Tim Stanley called him “basically a horrible man” (for the way he ignored Reeves’ tears)

    Yes yes the Torygraph but this is still surprising. Because Tim Stanley is usually restrained to the point of effete tedium. For him to come out with that disdain is quite shocking
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,029

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    Peak PB Tory was early in May’s 2017 election campaign, when PB was like Clarkson Island for PB Tories. Once she unveiled some of her more imaginative policy ideas, the infestation of PB Tories abated considerably, and has never recovered.
    Just before my time, that. What a pity. Sounds epic.
    Real peak was in the good old Brown is a fucking moron/no hes the great clunking fist days of 2008-9
    He dominated politics back then.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,121

    https://x.com/paulpowlesland/status/1940688546429292704

    I recently got stopped & ticketed by the City of London Police for, & I kid you not, “cycling no handed”. Even though it’s clearly not an offence, the officer said they were ticketing me under the Human Rights Act as I was infringing other people’s Article 2 ‘Right to Life’, in case I fell off & injured them: utterly bonkers stuff.

    A garrulous plonker riding a bicycle.

    The claimed Human Rights Act thing is BS; that's not what she said.

    It would be under "cycling without due care", RTA 1988 S2.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/I/crossheading/cycling-offences-and-cycle-racing
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,381
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    Peak PB Tory was early in May’s 2017 election campaign, when PB was like Clarkson Island for PB Tories. Once she unveiled some of her more imaginative policy ideas, the infestation of PB Tories abated considerably, and has never recovered.
    Just before my time, that. What a pity. Sounds epic.
    Real peak was in the good old Brown is a fucking moron/no hes the great clunking fist days of 2008-9
    He dominated politics back then.
    And was useless. Youd have enjoyed the bantz on here at the time
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,121
    edited July 3
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    No, the hype around Semaglutide and Tirzepide is kosher, a real breakthrough.

    The number of people that I see in my diabetic clinics who have shed weight of several stones is now a routine, often having failed on various diets for years. In addition it has anti-inflammatory properties so often back and knee pain is better even before weight loss occurs, hence allowing a much more active lifestyle.

    Yes. They absolutely work

    My sister has struggled with her weight all her life. Miserably. After 8 months of wegovy (or whatever) and she is - for the first time in many years - a healthy weight and she also seems calmer, somehow. Mellower

    Hard to put a finger on it but it’s done something positive to her persona as well as her BMI. Maybe because she’s stopped self loathing?

    They work. Wes is right. Dish them out
    Good news if you are also eating a healthy diet.

    Be on those medications and stick with a rich, fatty diet and the evidence is starting to point towards significant risk of pancreas trouble - which no-one sensible would volunteer for.
    I eat an absurdly healthy diet. And have done for ages

    I adore fish and love to cook healthy meals at home. Nothing processed if I can help it. Cook from raw. I avoid takeaways universally (unless forced) and even in restaurants I’m careful and wary

    I think eating wholesome tucker is what has kept me healthy despite all the boozing and my earlier life on drugs

    Don’t smoke either. Exercise a LOT. (I’ve just done a 9 mile walk here in the Rhodopes)
    Here's hoping you don't keel over tomorrow :smile: !

    It would be like my 4'10" to the chin friend swimming in the River Trent a long time ago, which turned out to be 5' deep.

    "Look, I can stand on the bot...glug glug glug."

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,056
    MattW said:

    https://x.com/paulpowlesland/status/1940688546429292704

    I recently got stopped & ticketed by the City of London Police for, & I kid you not, “cycling no handed”. Even though it’s clearly not an offence, the officer said they were ticketing me under the Human Rights Act as I was infringing other people’s Article 2 ‘Right to Life’, in case I fell off & injured them: utterly bonkers stuff.

    A garrulous plonker riding a bicycle.

    The claimed Human Rights Act thing is BS; that's not what she said.

    It would be under "cycling without due care", RTA 1988 S2.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/I/crossheading/cycling-offences-and-cycle-racing
    Her exact words were, "It contravenes Article 2 of the Human Rights Act."
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,566
    If we are all very lucky A11pl3Z will hit Mars and set off enough chaos in the solar system to put all of us out of ur misery.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,275
    edited July 3
    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    I'm actually reasonably fit for a 50 year old - I cycled the width of England on Saturday - yet I'm still a massive fat bastard.
    Actually, I saw the number '14' in the 'st' column on the scales this morning for the first time in over a decade. But that's mainly because I've been ill for three days. It'll go back on as soon as I resume eating three meals a day.
    You cycled more than the width: you could have made your life a whole bunch easier by starting at Gretna Green.
    I think I did it as optimally as I could. I reckon it to be 56 miles from Rockcliffe on the Eden estuary (between Carlisle and Gretna) to Wylam on the Tyne estuary west of Newcastle, by the most direct route. Which is pretty much the route I took. Almost all traffic-minimal (tractors more common than cars) and quite a lot of traffic free. Which is a challenge, but a surprisingly short distance given it’s a trip you can practically see on the scale of a globe.
    Plus the four miles or so from Carlisle of Gretna to Rockcliffe at the start (there’s not much in it it terms of which is closer but I chose Carlisle because there is a direct train from Manchester – and indeed from Newcastle), and the ten miles or so from Wylam to Newcastle at the end (you could just get on a train at Wylam but the ten miles is flat and off road and easy). I made it 72 miles in total for the route I went. (Plus 6 miles at the start and end from my home suburb to the relevant Central Manchester stations).
    Enough to feel pleased with yourself but surprisingly doable. I recommend it. You can even choose which way around you do it depending on the wind direction on the day.
    Point of order.
    Wylam is a long way from an estuary.
    And it's 25 miles from the coast.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,381
    Leon said:

    On Starmer, he seems to have lost any sympathy in Fleet Street, which is not good at all for a PM (and after a year!)

    I can’t thing of a single major journalist who goes out to bat for him regularly. On the Guardian Marina Hyde is absolutely withering. From the left Owen Jones despises him. Etc

    In the Telegraph yesterday Tim Stanley called him “basically a horrible man” (for the way he ignored Reeves’ tears)

    Yes yes the Torygraph but this is still surprising. Because Tim Stanley is usually restrained to the point of effete tedium. For him to come out with that disdain is quite shocking

    Rentoul was his main 'mainstream non loony wokist' supporter, with Hodges riding out to bat for him too. They've both gone very cold on him in the last few weeks
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,063
    kinabalu said:

    Stereodog said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works for you.
    If it's not too impertinent a question, do you find your diet very expensive? I think it would suit my husband and I well as we're both carnivores too but I worry about the cost of an entirely meat based diet.
    Hi Stereodog sorry for the late reply.

    At first, yes, it was more expensive. But over time as I've gotten used to it I would say its actually saving me money.

    Reason is I've eliminated snacks and takeaways.

    Eg nowadays a bag of Doritos can cost £2.50, or a takeaway is at least a tenner for an affordable one.

    I cook all my own meals now. I bring a packed lunch with me to work every day.

    So yes I do spend a considerable amount on meat in my weekly supermarket shop, but that's my food expenditure done for the week. I'm not snacking, eating between meals or having takeaways, all of which are expensive.
    What about your greens?
    I generally avoid green meat, so I don't eat any.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,511
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Indeed: what we need is more TV personalities as ministers.
    Nick Ferrari for Defence?
    Defence is so passive. What we need is a Minister of Attack.
    Until the 1960s we were less mealy mouthed and had a Minister for War.
    John Profumo was Minister for War and possessor of a large and active willy. Like Boris, he had been a member of the Bullingdon Club at Oxford. Did a lot of charity work after politics.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,470
    edited July 3
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Religious people seem to live happier, more purposeful lives. Multiple studies indicate this

    Is that proof? Not entirely, but it shows something

    And as @HYUFD notes, do we actually have proof of anything in physics? eg Do we live in a multiverse? Was there a big bang or not (some say not, now)? Or are we in a simulation - serious physicists think this is now possible

    If physics is positing the idea that we all exist in a ginormous video game and our individual lives are in fact an illusion then, quite frankly, the idea that we live in a universe ordained by a Creator which gives each of us, and the cosmos, moral and emotional meaning, seems easily as plausible and certainly preferable
    The first might be a small part of why religion persists, but is irrelevant as to whether there is any truth in them.

    That some ideas might be preferable is another part of why religion persists, but again it irrelevant as to truth.

    Many things in science have absolute proof. Those that relate to fundamental questions arising from the early universe, not so much, but really not surprisingly so.

    Stand back and look at the massive range of purported facts (most mutually incompatible) that humanity’s myriad belief systems have advanced as truth, across the globe and since the dawn of history, and it’s reasonably obvious that all of them are merely human inventions.
    In the end we just don’t know and we will never “know” in the normal sense - and this applies to religion AND cosmology. It is extremely likely - to me - that the universe is so complex it is actually beyond the comprehension of a bright bipedal ape evolved on one small planet who mainly focuses on sex and bananas. We literally cannot know - tho we’ve done extremely well with the brains we do have

    That leaves us with intuition. “The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing”

    Emotionally I am convinced “God” exists and the universe has narrative purpose. Also I met Him on ayahuasca, twice, even if He was disconcertingly indifferent
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,511
    edited July 3
    tlg86 said:

    Why did we bowl first?

    The team wanted to watch Wimbledon and the Euros on telly.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,029
    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    It is, most of the ones now voting Reform are really PB slash my taxes and spending, go to war on woke and send home the illegals than PB Tories. There is no point calling them PB Tories if they don't even vote for the party now
    A breed heading for extinction then? I find that sad. I think we ought to do something before it's too late. A kind of PB equivalent of rewilding.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,179
    edited July 3
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    No, the hype around Semaglutide and Tirzepide is kosher, a real breakthrough.

    The number of people that I see in my diabetic clinics who have shed weight of several stones is now a routine, often having failed on various diets for years. In addition it has anti-inflammatory properties so often back and knee pain is better even before weight loss occurs, hence allowing a much more active lifestyle.

    Yes. They absolutely work

    My sister has struggled with her weight all her life. Miserably. After 8 months of wegovy (or whatever) and she is - for the first time in many years - a healthy weight and she also seems calmer, somehow. Mellower

    Hard to put a finger on it but it’s done something positive to her persona as well as her BMI. Maybe because she’s stopped self loathing?

    They work. Wes is right. Dish them out
    Good news if you are also eating a healthy diet.

    Be on those medications and stick with a rich, fatty diet and the evidence is starting to point towards significant risk of pancreas trouble - which no-one sensible would volunteer for.
    I eat an absurdly healthy diet. And have done for ages

    I adore fish and love to cook healthy meals at home. Nothing processed if I can help it. Cook from raw. I avoid takeaways universally (unless forced) and even in restaurants I’m careful and wary

    I think eating wholesome tucker is what has kept me healthy despite all the boozing and my earlier life on drugs

    Don’t smoke either. Exercise a LOT. (I’ve just done a 9 mile walk here in the Rhodopes)
    I’m knackered having just walked two miles to the Trondheim folk museum and two miles back. Mind you, it is up a bloody steep hill.

    Sunset here tonight, 2328.
    I recommend you fortify yourself with a 'potato' cake and coffee at the Rosenberg bakery (Leon note - they also have great rolls and open sandwiches full of healthy food).

  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,063
    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works for you.
    If it's not too impertinent a question, do you find your diet very expensive? I think it would suit my husband and I well as we're both carnivores too but I worry about the cost of an entirely meat based diet.
    Hi @Stereodog sorry for the late reply.

    At first, yes, it was more expensive. But over time as I've gotten used to it I would say its actually saving me money.

    Reason is I've eliminated snacks and takeaways.

    Eg nowadays a bag of Doritos can cost £2.50, or a takeaway is at least a tenner for an affordable one.

    I cook all my own meals now. I bring a packed lunch with me to work every day.

    So yes I do spend a considerable amount on meat in my weekly supermarket shop, but that's my food expenditure done for the week. I'm not snacking, eating between meals or having takeaways, all of which are expensive.
    Apologies for my equally late acknowledgement. That's really helpful thank you. I'm going to explore this as I really need to start a diet and it's probably the only one that would suit my husband too. I don't fancy having to cook two different meals.
    Good luck with it!

    The one thing I will warn you is that if you are switching from a carb-heavy diet to any form of Ketogenic diet, then the first 2 weeks or so you might not feel great, as your body is carb-adapted and the sudden removal of carbs will come as a shock while you transition to becoming fat-adapted [term for when the body becomes used to burning fat, including your own reserves, as its fuel instead of the carbs it is used to getting].

    Some refer to this as a 'keto flu' but it passes after 2 weeks if you stick with it.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,102

    If we are all very lucky A11pl3Z will hit Mars and set off enough chaos in the solar system to put all of us out of ur misery.

    Someone playing Intergalactic Bar Billiards? Don't think potting Earth into the Sun would count for many points.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,275
    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    Peak PB Tory was early in May’s 2017 election campaign, when PB was like Clarkson Island for PB Tories. Once she unveiled some of her more imaginative policy ideas, the infestation of PB Tories abated considerably, and has never recovered.
    Just before my time, that. What a pity. Sounds epic.
    2017 was when posters were confidently predicting 400+ Tory seats just before 10 pm.
    Then loudly berating the worst opinion poll in history.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,268
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Religious people seem to live happier, more purposeful lives. Multiple studies indicate this

    Is that proof? Not entirely, but it shows something

    And as @HYUFD notes, do we actually have proof of anything in physics? eg Do we live in a multiverse? Was there a big bang or not (some say not, now)? Or are we in a simulation - serious physicists think this is now possible

    If physics is positing the idea that we all exist in a ginormous video game and our individual lives are in fact an illusion then, quite frankly, the idea that we live in a universe ordained by a Creator which gives each of us, and the cosmos, moral and emotional meaning, seems easily as plausible and certainly preferable
    Not a simulation but that the Big Bang took place inside the event horizon of a black hole, more like a Big Bounce. It's a very interesting theory, worth having a read of if you're interested in cosmology at any level.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,470
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    No, the hype around Semaglutide and Tirzepide is kosher, a real breakthrough.

    The number of people that I see in my diabetic clinics who have shed weight of several stones is now a routine, often having failed on various diets for years. In addition it has anti-inflammatory properties so often back and knee pain is better even before weight loss occurs, hence allowing a much more active lifestyle.

    Yes. They absolutely work

    My sister has struggled with her weight all her life. Miserably. After 8 months of wegovy (or whatever) and she is - for the first time in many years - a healthy weight and she also seems calmer, somehow. Mellower

    Hard to put a finger on it but it’s done something positive to her persona as well as her BMI. Maybe because she’s stopped self loathing?

    They work. Wes is right. Dish them out
    Good news if you are also eating a healthy diet.

    Be on those medications and stick with a rich, fatty diet and the evidence is starting to point towards significant risk of pancreas trouble - which no-one sensible would volunteer for.
    I eat an absurdly healthy diet. And have done for ages

    I adore fish and love to cook healthy meals at home. Nothing processed if I can help it. Cook from raw. I avoid takeaways universally (unless forced) and even in restaurants I’m careful and wary

    I think eating wholesome tucker is what has kept me healthy despite all the boozing and my earlier life on drugs

    Don’t smoke either. Exercise a LOT. (I’ve just done a 9 mile walk here in the Rhodopes)
    Here's hoping you don't keel over tomorrow :smile: !

    It would be like my 4'10" to the chin friend swimming in the River Trent a long time ago, which turned out to be 5' deep.

    "Look, I can stand on the bot...glug glug glug."

    Yes. I am certainly not exulting in my good health and I am very very grateful for my absurd good luck, just in case Fate is lurking and minded to be tempted

    Please don’t smite me!
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,538
    edited July 3
    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    Peak PB Tory was early in May’s 2017 election campaign, when PB was like Clarkson Island for PB Tories. Once she unveiled some of her more imaginative policy ideas, the infestation of PB Tories abated considerably, and has never recovered.
    Just before my time, that. What a pity. Sounds epic.
    2017 was when posters were confidently predicting 400+ Tory seats just before 10 pm.
    Then loudly berating the worst opinion poll in history.
    Didn't we have a Tory canvasser who was thoroughly miserable in the runup to '17 as what he was hearing on the ground didn't match the narrative?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,470
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Religious people seem to live happier, more purposeful lives. Multiple studies indicate this

    Is that proof? Not entirely, but it shows something

    And as @HYUFD notes, do we actually have proof of anything in physics? eg Do we live in a multiverse? Was there a big bang or not (some say not, now)? Or are we in a simulation - serious physicists think this is now possible

    If physics is positing the idea that we all exist in a ginormous video game and our individual lives are in fact an illusion then, quite frankly, the idea that we live in a universe ordained by a Creator which gives each of us, and the cosmos, moral and emotional meaning, seems easily as plausible and certainly preferable
    Not a simulation but that the Big Bang took place inside the event horizon of a black hole, more like a Big Bounce. It's a very interesting theory, worth having a read of if you're interested in cosmology at any level.
    Yes I read something along those lines recently

    But the Big Bounce is not a new idea. The theory has been around for decades - that the universe inflates then deflates then inflates again - forever
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,000
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Were religions created to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge? I would suggest that religions emerged through a lengthy process of attempted sense-making, prior to a clear epistemological distinction around what is and is not "objectively proven knowledge".

    People sought to make sense of and take control of their world. Some of those explanations were what we would now call supernatural. Some of those attempts to control were what we would now call ritual. Those explanations and rituals became codified into broader systems, what we would now call religion.

    It was only much later that ideas emerged that there were different ways of proving knowledge or that one might have different spheres, religion versus something else.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,945
    edited July 3
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Religious people seem to live happier, more purposeful lives. Multiple studies indicate this

    Is that proof? Not entirely, but it shows something

    And as @HYUFD notes, do we actually have proof of anything in physics? eg Do we live in a multiverse? Was there a big bang or not (some say not, now)? Or are we in a simulation - serious physicists think this is now possible

    If physics is positing the idea that we all exist in a ginormous video game and our individual lives are in fact an illusion then, quite frankly, the idea that we live in a universe ordained by a Creator which gives each of us, and the cosmos, moral and emotional meaning, seems easily as plausible and certainly preferable
    The first might be a small part of why religion persists, but is irrelevant as to whether there is any truth in them.

    That some ideas might be preferable is another part of why religion persists, but again it irrelevant as to truth.

    Many things in science have absolute proof. Those that relate to fundamental questions arising from the early universe, not so much, but really not surprisingly so.

    Stand back and look at the massive range of purported facts (most mutually incompatible) that humanity’s myriad belief systems have advanced as truth, across the globe and since the dawn of history, and it’s reasonably obvious that all of them are merely human inventions.
    In the end we just don’t know and we will never “know” in the normal sense - and this applies to religion AND cosmology. It is extremely likely - to me - that the universe is so complex it is actually beyond the comprehension of a bright bipedal ape evolved on one small planet who mainly focuses on sex and bananas. We literally cannot know - tho we’ve done extremely well with the brains we do have

    That leaves us with intuition. “The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing”

    Emotionally I am convinced “God” exists and the universe has narrative purpose. Also I met Him on ayahuasca, twice, even if He was disconcertingly indifferent
    For sure, we don’t know, and probably never will. In such circumstances it ought to be even more obvious that the answers of those who purport to know consist of entirely made up nonsense, which it suited the powerful (in times past, at least) to humour and promote (and indeed, through much of history, to enforce and impose).
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,056
    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    Peak PB Tory was early in May’s 2017 election campaign, when PB was like Clarkson Island for PB Tories. Once she unveiled some of her more imaginative policy ideas, the infestation of PB Tories abated considerably, and has never recovered.
    Just before my time, that. What a pity. Sounds epic.
    2017 was when posters were confidently predicting 400+ Tory seats just before 10 pm.
    Then loudly berating the worst opinion poll in history.
    In an alternative universe where Theresa May called the snap election a couple of weeks earlier, she might have got her huge majority and everything would look different now.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,476
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Religious people seem to live happier, more purposeful lives. Multiple studies indicate this

    Is that proof? Not entirely, but it shows something

    And as @HYUFD notes, do we actually have proof of anything in physics? eg Do we live in a multiverse? Was there a big bang or not (some say not, now)? Or are we in a simulation - serious physicists think this is now possible

    If physics is positing the idea that we all exist in a ginormous video game and our individual lives are in fact an illusion then, quite frankly, the idea that we live in a universe ordained by a Creator which gives each of us, and the cosmos, moral and emotional meaning, seems easily as plausible and certainly preferable
    Not a simulation but that the Big Bang took place inside the event horizon of a black hole, more like a Big Bounce. It's a very interesting theory, worth having a read of if you're interested in cosmology at any level.
    And what created the black hole?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,063

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Were religions created to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge? I would suggest that religions emerged through a lengthy process of attempted sense-making, prior to a clear epistemological distinction around what is and is not "objectively proven knowledge".

    People sought to make sense of and take control of their world. Some of those explanations were what we would now call supernatural. Some of those attempts to control were what we would now call ritual. Those explanations and rituals became codified into broader systems, what we would now call religion.

    It was only much later that ideas emerged that there were different ways of proving knowledge or that one might have different spheres, religion versus something else.
    I dislike the very concept of "objectively proven", nothing is ever "objectively" proven, all knowledge is subjective and evolves over time.

    The idea the sun comes up every day in the East and sets in the West would have once been "objectively proven" knowledge as far as they were concerned, until we learnt better.

    Any of our knowledge today, might become our myths of tomorrow.

    Having said that, remove the word objectively, and I'd agree with the rest of that prior post.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,174
    MattW said:

    https://x.com/paulpowlesland/status/1940688546429292704

    I recently got stopped & ticketed by the City of London Police for, & I kid you not, “cycling no handed”. Even though it’s clearly not an offence, the officer said they were ticketing me under the Human Rights Act as I was infringing other people’s Article 2 ‘Right to Life’, in case I fell off & injured them: utterly bonkers stuff.

    A garrulous plonker riding a bicycle.

    The claimed Human Rights Act thing is BS; that's not what she said.

    It would be under "cycling without due care", RTA 1988 S2.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/I/crossheading/cycling-offences-and-cycle-racing
    Interesting question about unicycles in the replies. You can get up to a decent speed on roller skates too.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,476
    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    It is, most of the ones now voting Reform are really PB slash my taxes and spending, go to war on woke and send home the illegals than PB Tories. There is no point calling them PB Tories if they don't even vote for the party now
    A breed heading for extinction then? I find that sad. I think we ought to do something before it's too late. A kind of PB equivalent of rewilding.
    Some of us are still here, 15-20% on current polls, just FPTP risks near extinction, if we had PR even Kemi would still be getting about 100 Tory MPs on the latest poll
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,106
    "The will to power
    Voluntarismo flourishes in times of cynicism about politics
    Helen Joyce"

    https://thecritic.co.uk/the-will-to-power/
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,275
    Foss said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    Peak PB Tory was early in May’s 2017 election campaign, when PB was like Clarkson Island for PB Tories. Once she unveiled some of her more imaginative policy ideas, the infestation of PB Tories abated considerably, and has never recovered.
    Just before my time, that. What a pity. Sounds epic.
    2017 was when posters were confidently predicting 400+ Tory seats just before 10 pm.
    Then loudly berating the worst opinion poll in history.
    Didn't we have a Tory canvasser who was thoroughly miserable in the runup to '17 as what he was hearing on the ground didn't match the narrative?
    Yes indeed. He said they'd lost the majority the weekend before. The same weekend that YouGov were openly laughed at on Andrew Neil's show for their MRP showing a Hung Parliament and Labour winning Canterbury and Kensington.
    All clues were there.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,945
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Religious people seem to live happier, more purposeful lives. Multiple studies indicate this

    Is that proof? Not entirely, but it shows something

    And as @HYUFD notes, do we actually have proof of anything in physics? eg Do we live in a multiverse? Was there a big bang or not (some say not, now)? Or are we in a simulation - serious physicists think this is now possible

    If physics is positing the idea that we all exist in a ginormous video game and our individual lives are in fact an illusion then, quite frankly, the idea that we live in a universe ordained by a Creator which gives each of us, and the cosmos, moral and emotional meaning, seems easily as plausible and certainly preferable
    Not a simulation but that the Big Bang took place inside the event horizon of a black hole, more like a Big Bounce. It's a very interesting theory, worth having a read of if you're interested in cosmology at any level.
    Yes I read something along those lines recently

    But the Big Bounce is not a new idea. The theory has been around for decades - that the universe inflates then deflates then inflates again - forever
    That used to be called the steady state theory. Hoyle et al, as I recall. Which always seemed to have a degree of credibility, as it avoids having to argue about the universe having a beginning. But it fell out of favour with cosmologists, for some reason.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,964
    Sky

    Lord Lipsey body found in river wye
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,063
    edited July 3

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    Nothing is ever definitive, I completely agree with you there.

    But not all beliefs are created equal.

    Humanity has invented thousands of gods over time. You reject all but one of them, why? Why were all those other gods created by humanity, except for the fact that humanity is prone to invent gods? Why were all those other ones invented, but not yours? I merely reject one more than you do.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,268
    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Religious people seem to live happier, more purposeful lives. Multiple studies indicate this

    Is that proof? Not entirely, but it shows something

    And as @HYUFD notes, do we actually have proof of anything in physics? eg Do we live in a multiverse? Was there a big bang or not (some say not, now)? Or are we in a simulation - serious physicists think this is now possible

    If physics is positing the idea that we all exist in a ginormous video game and our individual lives are in fact an illusion then, quite frankly, the idea that we live in a universe ordained by a Creator which gives each of us, and the cosmos, moral and emotional meaning, seems easily as plausible and certainly preferable
    Not a simulation but that the Big Bang took place inside the event horizon of a black hole, more like a Big Bounce. It's a very interesting theory, worth having a read of if you're interested in cosmology at any level.
    And what created the black hole?
    Well that's the fundamental question no? As I've said many times before, the universe (inside a black hole or not) is a vast, wondrous place filled with the unimaginable and for me to rule out the existence of a higher power seems complete arrogant. Do I believe in god? I don't know. I do know that I'm not foolish enough to suggest god or a creator can't exist because why couldn't it?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,945
    edited July 3
    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Religious people seem to live happier, more purposeful lives. Multiple studies indicate this

    Is that proof? Not entirely, but it shows something

    And as @HYUFD notes, do we actually have proof of anything in physics? eg Do we live in a multiverse? Was there a big bang or not (some say not, now)? Or are we in a simulation - serious physicists think this is now possible

    If physics is positing the idea that we all exist in a ginormous video game and our individual lives are in fact an illusion then, quite frankly, the idea that we live in a universe ordained by a Creator which gives each of us, and the cosmos, moral and emotional meaning, seems easily as plausible and certainly preferable
    Not a simulation but that the Big Bang took place inside the event horizon of a black hole, more like a Big Bounce. It's a very interesting theory, worth having a read of if you're interested in cosmology at any level.
    And what created the black hole?
    Questions like that are just silly. Since you can’t answer who created your imaginary friend, and as soon as you suggest that s/he/it has existed for ever, the same answer can be advanced for the universe. Indeed, maybe time is also an internal and variable feature of the universe, having no meaning from a perspective external to it, and that we see time as so critical simply reflects the limitations of our own lived experience.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,476

    Sky

    Lord Lipsey body found in river wye

    RIP A former adviser to Callaghan
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,381
    dixiedean said:

    Foss said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    Peak PB Tory was early in May’s 2017 election campaign, when PB was like Clarkson Island for PB Tories. Once she unveiled some of her more imaginative policy ideas, the infestation of PB Tories abated considerably, and has never recovered.
    Just before my time, that. What a pity. Sounds epic.
    2017 was when posters were confidently predicting 400+ Tory seats just before 10 pm.
    Then loudly berating the worst opinion poll in history.
    Didn't we have a Tory canvasser who was thoroughly miserable in the runup to '17 as what he was hearing on the ground didn't match the narrative?
    Yes indeed. He said they'd lost the majority the weekend before. The same weekend that YouGov were openly laughed at on Andrew Neil's show for their MRP showing a Hung Parliament and Labour winning Canterbury and Kensington.
    All clues were there.
    Rosie Duffield and Emma Dent Coad. 2 very different politicians!
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,719
    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    Peak PB Tory was early in May’s 2017 election campaign, when PB was like Clarkson Island for PB Tories. Once she unveiled some of her more imaginative policy ideas, the infestation of PB Tories abated considerably, and has never recovered.
    Just before my time, that. What a pity. Sounds epic.
    2017 was when posters were confidently predicting 400+ Tory seats just before 10 pm.
    Then loudly berating the worst opinion poll in history.
    Shortly there will be an election ... but that article was puffing Labour. I can't remember what year it was.

    Hello everybody, momentarily at least.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,381
    AnneJGP said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    Peak PB Tory was early in May’s 2017 election campaign, when PB was like Clarkson Island for PB Tories. Once she unveiled some of her more imaginative policy ideas, the infestation of PB Tories abated considerably, and has never recovered.
    Just before my time, that. What a pity. Sounds epic.
    2017 was when posters were confidently predicting 400+ Tory seats just before 10 pm.
    Then loudly berating the worst opinion poll in history.
    Shortly there will be an election ... but that article was puffing Labour. I can't remember what year it was.

    Hello everybody, momentarily at least.
    2007, just after Brown took over
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,476
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Religious people seem to live happier, more purposeful lives. Multiple studies indicate this

    Is that proof? Not entirely, but it shows something

    And as @HYUFD notes, do we actually have proof of anything in physics? eg Do we live in a multiverse? Was there a big bang or not (some say not, now)? Or are we in a simulation - serious physicists think this is now possible

    If physics is positing the idea that we all exist in a ginormous video game and our individual lives are in fact an illusion then, quite frankly, the idea that we live in a universe ordained by a Creator which gives each of us, and the cosmos, moral and emotional meaning, seems easily as plausible and certainly preferable
    Not a simulation but that the Big Bang took place inside the event horizon of a black hole, more like a Big Bounce. It's a very interesting theory, worth having a read of if you're interested in cosmology at any level.
    And what created the black hole?
    Questions like that are just silly. Since you can’t answer who created your imaginary friend, and as soon as you suggest that s/he/it has existed for ever, the same answer can be advanced for the universe.
    No they aren't, they just prove your idea that the Big Bang and black holes are the source of all creation with nothing behind them is as ideological a statement as saying God is the creator of all
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,275
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Religious people seem to live happier, more purposeful lives. Multiple studies indicate this

    Is that proof? Not entirely, but it shows something

    And as @HYUFD notes, do we actually have proof of anything in physics? eg Do we live in a multiverse? Was there a big bang or not (some say not, now)? Or are we in a simulation - serious physicists think this is now possible

    If physics is positing the idea that we all exist in a ginormous video game and our individual lives are in fact an illusion then, quite frankly, the idea that we live in a universe ordained by a Creator which gives each of us, and the cosmos, moral and emotional meaning, seems easily as plausible and certainly preferable
    Not a simulation but that the Big Bang took place inside the event horizon of a black hole, more like a Big Bounce. It's a very interesting theory, worth having a read of if you're interested in cosmology at any level.
    Yes I read something along those lines recently

    But the Big Bounce is not a new idea. The theory has been around for decades - that the universe inflates then deflates then inflates again - forever
    Not new?
    It's basically ancient Indian cosmology. Thus "beginningless time" being a staple of Buddhist (non) creation theory.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,268
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Religious people seem to live happier, more purposeful lives. Multiple studies indicate this

    Is that proof? Not entirely, but it shows something

    And as @HYUFD notes, do we actually have proof of anything in physics? eg Do we live in a multiverse? Was there a big bang or not (some say not, now)? Or are we in a simulation - serious physicists think this is now possible

    If physics is positing the idea that we all exist in a ginormous video game and our individual lives are in fact an illusion then, quite frankly, the idea that we live in a universe ordained by a Creator which gives each of us, and the cosmos, moral and emotional meaning, seems easily as plausible and certainly preferable
    Not a simulation but that the Big Bang took place inside the event horizon of a black hole, more like a Big Bounce. It's a very interesting theory, worth having a read of if you're interested in cosmology at any level.
    Yes I read something along those lines recently

    But the Big Bounce is not a new idea. The theory has been around for decades - that the universe inflates then deflates then inflates again - forever
    That used to be called the steady state theory. Hoyle et al, as I recall. Which always seemed to have a degree of credibility, as it avoids having to argue about the universe having a beginning. But it fell out of favour with cosmologists, for some reason.
    No this isn't steady state theory and that fell out of fashion because the universe is expanding. That being the case it means at some point, if you go far back in time enough, the universe existed as a singularity from which it expanded. What the question is now is whether that singularity is actually the inside of a black hole and the matter collapsed into the singularity and bounced back off. The steady state theory isn't able to account for the expansion of the universe.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,470
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Religious people seem to live happier, more purposeful lives. Multiple studies indicate this

    Is that proof? Not entirely, but it shows something

    And as @HYUFD notes, do we actually have proof of anything in physics? eg Do we live in a multiverse? Was there a big bang or not (some say not, now)? Or are we in a simulation - serious physicists think this is now possible

    If physics is positing the idea that we all exist in a ginormous video game and our individual lives are in fact an illusion then, quite frankly, the idea that we live in a universe ordained by a Creator which gives each of us, and the cosmos, moral and emotional meaning, seems easily as plausible and certainly preferable
    The first might be a small part of why religion persists, but is irrelevant as to whether there is any truth in them.

    That some ideas might be preferable is another part of why religion persists, but again it irrelevant as to truth.

    Many things in science have absolute proof. Those that relate to fundamental questions arising from the early universe, not so much, but really not surprisingly so.

    Stand back and look at the massive range of purported facts (most mutually incompatible) that humanity’s myriad belief systems have advanced as truth, across the globe and since the dawn of history, and it’s reasonably obvious that all of them are merely human inventions.
    In the end we just don’t know and we will never “know” in the normal sense - and this applies to religion AND cosmology. It is extremely likely - to me - that the universe is so complex it is actually beyond the comprehension of a bright bipedal ape evolved on one small planet who mainly focuses on sex and bananas. We literally cannot know - tho we’ve done extremely well with the brains we do have

    That leaves us with intuition. “The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing”

    Emotionally I am convinced “God” exists and the universe has narrative purpose. Also I met Him on ayahuasca, twice, even if He was disconcertingly indifferent
    For sure, we don’t know, and probably never will. In such circumstances it ought to be even more obvious that the answers of those who purport to know consist of entirely made up nonsense, which it suited the powerful (in times past, at least) to humour and promote (and indeed, through much of history, to enforce and impose).
    You’re not one of life’s DEEP thinkers, are you? But it’s ok. The world needs us all
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,596

    NEW THREAD

  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,397
    Scott_xP said:

    The answer to Nigel Fucking Farage's ludicrous question, which the Brexiteers won't want to articulate is SOVEREIGNTY, so we can vote the bastards out...

    Not really. I didn't get to vote for (or against) the present Prime Minister, or the CoE, or Health Secretary, or even a junior defence minister. I got
    to vote for (or in my case against) some bovine backbencher who's only apparent function is to troop through the lobbies to do the bidding of his party.
    This is true of at least 75% of the country, and most of the rest only got an option on a junior minister or similar.
    None-the-less, the country looks minded to show them all the door at the next election, because that is how representative democracy works.

    The problem with the EU was different. Some unsackable functionary in the Commission could invent a regulation to require paperclips to be straight, our government would solemnly declare it was a stupid regulation and pass it into UK law anyway, and if we voted our government out the new one would tell us that the paperclip regulations were as unchangable as the laws of the Medes and Persians. What was particularly irksome was that one rather suspected that both shades of government actually wanted straight paperclips anyway, and were just using the EU to sidestep the unpopularity it caused.

    It's worth noting that politicians are still at a variation of this game, but it's now called "International law". We apparently can't deport convicted child molesters because of their right to a family life, or convicted rapists as rape is out of fashion where they came from, and the locals might dispense rough justice. And we can't do this because *international law* says so. Well, parliament is sovereign - time to unmake some laws then...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,000
    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    https://x.com/paulpowlesland/status/1940688546429292704

    I recently got stopped & ticketed by the City of London Police for, & I kid you not, “cycling no handed”. Even though it’s clearly not an offence, the officer said they were ticketing me under the Human Rights Act as I was infringing other people’s Article 2 ‘Right to Life’, in case I fell off & injured them: utterly bonkers stuff.

    A garrulous plonker riding a bicycle.

    The claimed Human Rights Act thing is BS; that's not what she said.

    It would be under "cycling without due care", RTA 1988 S2.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/I/crossheading/cycling-offences-and-cycle-racing
    Interesting question about unicycles in the replies. You can get up to a decent speed on roller skates too.
    I was once unicycling along the pavement of Grange Road in Cambridge late one night, very stoned and wobbling around impropitiously. A police car pulled alongside me. "Shit," I thought, "They are going to arrest me for dangerous cycling and drug test me!"

    No. They merely wished to comment humorously on the oddity of the sight before them. They were incapable of discerning the difference between sober, competent unicycling and whatever I was doing.

    Anyway, enough of story time. Cycling with no hands on a unicycle is qualitatively different to cycling with no hands on a bicycle. On a bicycle, if your hands are not on the handlebars, you will be delayed in braking. A unicycle is a fixed wheel affair, so you are going slower and brake with your knees.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,719

    AnneJGP said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    Peak PB Tory was early in May’s 2017 election campaign, when PB was like Clarkson Island for PB Tories. Once she unveiled some of her more imaginative policy ideas, the infestation of PB Tories abated considerably, and has never recovered.
    Just before my time, that. What a pity. Sounds epic.
    2017 was when posters were confidently predicting 400+ Tory seats just before 10 pm.
    Then loudly berating the worst opinion poll in history.
    Shortly there will be an election ... but that article was puffing Labour. I can't remember what year it was.

    Hello everybody, momentarily at least.
    2007, just after Brown took over
    That's interesting - I thought I didn't join the site until 2008.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,945

    Foss said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    Peak PB Tory was early in May’s 2017 election campaign, when PB was like Clarkson Island for PB Tories. Once she unveiled some of her more imaginative policy ideas, the infestation of PB Tories abated considerably, and has never recovered.
    Just before my time, that. What a pity. Sounds epic.
    2017 was when posters were confidently predicting 400+ Tory seats just before 10 pm.
    Then loudly berating the worst opinion poll in history.
    Didn't we have a Tory canvasser who was thoroughly miserable in the runup to '17 as what he was hearing on the ground didn't match the narrative?
    David Herdson i think. He absolutely raged on here after canvassing the day before polling day saying shes blown it. He was livid
    But not wild.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,063
    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Religious people seem to live happier, more purposeful lives. Multiple studies indicate this

    Is that proof? Not entirely, but it shows something

    And as @HYUFD notes, do we actually have proof of anything in physics? eg Do we live in a multiverse? Was there a big bang or not (some say not, now)? Or are we in a simulation - serious physicists think this is now possible

    If physics is positing the idea that we all exist in a ginormous video game and our individual lives are in fact an illusion then, quite frankly, the idea that we live in a universe ordained by a Creator which gives each of us, and the cosmos, moral and emotional meaning, seems easily as plausible and certainly preferable
    Not a simulation but that the Big Bang took place inside the event horizon of a black hole, more like a Big Bounce. It's a very interesting theory, worth having a read of if you're interested in cosmology at any level.
    And what created the black hole?
    Well that's the fundamental question no? As I've said many times before, the universe (inside a black hole or not) is a vast, wondrous place filled with the unimaginable and for me to rule out the existence of a higher power seems complete arrogant. Do I believe in god? I don't know. I do know that I'm not foolish enough to suggest god or a creator can't exist because why couldn't it?
    I am an atheist, but that does not mean I think one can't exist.

    I acknowledge the possibility, however remote, that a god does exist that wasn't invented by mankind.

    I think the likelihood is that humanity invented all gods that people believe in. I acknowledge that I could be wrong, and if evidence to the contrary comes then I would be happy to look at it, but in the absence of evidence that is the logical position for me.

    It is a very theistic position to believe atheism means denying the possibility of a god or gods, it does not and never has done. Atheism means not believing in them, no more, no less.

    I'm at work right now. I believe my house is not on fire, as I have no reason to assume it is. If by some obscure chance it actually is, that would suck, but my belief right now is reasonable with the evidence I have.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,470
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
    The science of physics is a human construction. So is mathematics or indeed music

    Yet all seem to reveal some underlying, profound yet inscrutable truths about the universe
    That’s really missing the point, since religions are created, in part at least, to cover over the gaps in objectively proven knowledge, which in times past were hugely wider than now. Science, mathematics and music all contain aspects that can be objectively tested and proven, whereas religions consist of aspects that are invented or imagined, which cannot be tested. That there are so many religions containing myriad absurdities in which their adherents are expected to believe, and that the credulous almost always adopt the religion of their geography, time period and parents, is evidence that it’s a sociological rather than external construct.
    Religious people seem to live happier, more purposeful lives. Multiple studies indicate this

    Is that proof? Not entirely, but it shows something

    And as @HYUFD notes, do we actually have proof of anything in physics? eg Do we live in a multiverse? Was there a big bang or not (some say not, now)? Or are we in a simulation - serious physicists think this is now possible

    If physics is positing the idea that we all exist in a ginormous video game and our individual lives are in fact an illusion then, quite frankly, the idea that we live in a universe ordained by a Creator which gives each of us, and the cosmos, moral and emotional meaning, seems easily as plausible and certainly preferable
    Not a simulation but that the Big Bang took place inside the event horizon of a black hole, more like a Big Bounce. It's a very interesting theory, worth having a read of if you're interested in cosmology at any level.
    Yes I read something along those lines recently

    But the Big Bounce is not a new idea. The theory has been around for decades - that the universe inflates then deflates then inflates again - forever
    That used to be called the steady state theory. Hoyle et al, as I recall. Which always seemed to have a degree of credibility, as it avoids having to argue about the universe having a beginning. But it fell out of favour with cosmologists, for some reason.
    No that’s wrong. “Steady state” was the idea that the universe steadily creates new stars and galaxies all the time - in some central place - hence the perception of expansion

    The Big Bounce posits an eternal cycle of squeeze/explosion/squeeze/explosion (or it did in the version I read ages ago - I don’t know the deets of the new take)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,056

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    Nothing is ever definitive, I completely agree with you there.

    But not all beliefs are created equal.

    Humanity has invented thousands of gods over time. You reject all but one of them, why? Why were all those other gods created by humanity, except for the fact that humanity is prone to invent gods? Why were all those other ones invented, but not yours? I merely reject one more than you do.
    Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,121
    A slight WTF moment.

    I had never even considered that the concept of Public Right of Way (ie Public Footpaths etc) as defined on a Definitive Map, and enforcible at law, does not exist in the twelve Inner London Boroughs. But they do not exist.

    Apparently in 1949 it was "we don't need them in places which are so heavily developed".

    That is EXACTLY where you need them because the pressures are so much greater, says I.

    What a weird world.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,904
    MattW said:

    https://x.com/paulpowlesland/status/1940688546429292704

    I recently got stopped & ticketed by the City of London Police for, & I kid you not, “cycling no handed”. Even though it’s clearly not an offence, the officer said they were ticketing me under the Human Rights Act as I was infringing other people’s Article 2 ‘Right to Life’, in case I fell off & injured them: utterly bonkers stuff.

    A garrulous plonker riding a bicycle.

    The claimed Human Rights Act thing is BS; that's not what she said.

    It would be under "cycling without due care", RTA 1988 S2.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/I/crossheading/cycling-offences-and-cycle-racing
    Is there legislation to prevent cycling without a functioning brain?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,121
    edited July 3

    MattW said:

    https://x.com/paulpowlesland/status/1940688546429292704

    I recently got stopped & ticketed by the City of London Police for, & I kid you not, “cycling no handed”. Even though it’s clearly not an offence, the officer said they were ticketing me under the Human Rights Act as I was infringing other people’s Article 2 ‘Right to Life’, in case I fell off & injured them: utterly bonkers stuff.

    A garrulous plonker riding a bicycle.

    The claimed Human Rights Act thing is BS; that's not what she said.

    It would be under "cycling without due care", RTA 1988 S2.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/I/crossheading/cycling-offences-and-cycle-racing
    Her exact words were, "It contravenes Article 2 of the Human Rights Act."
    It's a nonsense, and he's still a dickhead for his behaviour - going spinning off into whataboutery like that.

    He admits in the thread that the offence charged was as I stated.

    It's a cropped video to get some attention.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,381
    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Indeed leftwingers are still in denial on here half the PB Tories are now PB Reformers
    "PB Tory" is an identity not a voting preference. It's not easily shed.
    Peak PB Tory was early in May’s 2017 election campaign, when PB was like Clarkson Island for PB Tories. Once she unveiled some of her more imaginative policy ideas, the infestation of PB Tories abated considerably, and has never recovered.
    Just before my time, that. What a pity. Sounds epic.
    2017 was when posters were confidently predicting 400+ Tory seats just before 10 pm.
    Then loudly berating the worst opinion poll in history.
    Shortly there will be an election ... but that article was puffing Labour. I can't remember what year it was.

    Hello everybody, momentarily at least.
    2007, just after Brown took over
    That's interesting - I thought I didn't join the site until 2008.
    Might have been 2008. It was written by Sion Simon I think
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,440

    MattW said:

    https://x.com/paulpowlesland/status/1940688546429292704

    I recently got stopped & ticketed by the City of London Police for, & I kid you not, “cycling no handed”. Even though it’s clearly not an offence, the officer said they were ticketing me under the Human Rights Act as I was infringing other people’s Article 2 ‘Right to Life’, in case I fell off & injured them: utterly bonkers stuff.

    A garrulous plonker riding a bicycle.

    The claimed Human Rights Act thing is BS; that's not what she said.

    It would be under "cycling without due care", RTA 1988 S2.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/I/crossheading/cycling-offences-and-cycle-racing
    Is there legislation to prevent cycling without a functioning brain?
    Is there legislation to prevent policing without a functioning brain?

    Never underestimate the capability of police officers to invent rules and clever sounding uses of the law. That are utter bullshit.

    In this case it’s a coin flip as to what actually happened…
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 2,005
    Scott_xP said:

    The answer to Nigel Fucking Farage's ludicrous question, which the Brexiteers won't want to articulate is SOVEREIGNTY, so we can vote the bastards out...

    It nearly happened in 2017. May would've won, but her choice of Home Secretary was very nearly overturned by the electorate.....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,056
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    https://x.com/paulpowlesland/status/1940688546429292704

    I recently got stopped & ticketed by the City of London Police for, & I kid you not, “cycling no handed”. Even though it’s clearly not an offence, the officer said they were ticketing me under the Human Rights Act as I was infringing other people’s Article 2 ‘Right to Life’, in case I fell off & injured them: utterly bonkers stuff.

    A garrulous plonker riding a bicycle.

    The claimed Human Rights Act thing is BS; that's not what she said.

    It would be under "cycling without due care", RTA 1988 S2.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/I/crossheading/cycling-offences-and-cycle-racing
    Her exact words were, "It contravenes Article 2 of the Human Rights Act."
    It's a nonsense, and he's still a dickhead for his behaviour - going spinning off into whataboutery like that.

    He admits in the thread that the offence charged was as I stated.

    It's a cropped video to get some attention.
    If she misspoke and said the Human Rights Act instead of the Road Traffic Act it's still quite revealing.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 2,005
    kinabalu said:

    Off topic: It is understandable that the Loser is willing to be Putin’s Patsy.

    In April, Trump beseeched Putin: “Vladimir, STOP!” Vladimir hasn’t stopped, yet Trump does not appear to be applying pressure to back up his words. Instead, at the Group of Seven summit in Canada recently, Trump complained about Russia’s expulsion from the group. He apparently continues to speak regularly and cordially with Putin, who has been indicted as a war criminal by the International Criminal Court and is a pariah throughout the West. And the Trump administration continues to block legislation, with more than 80 sponsors, that would impose tariffs of 500 percent on any nations that buy Russia’s energy products.
    (Links omitted.)
    source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/07/03/trump-iran-russia-ukraine/

    What I find hard to understand is why so many Americans are willing to be Putin’s Patsy’s patsies. It’s as if they think the Declaration of Independence was a mistake.
    ***

    Are we any nearer to knowing if America will stay involved in defending Ukraine if there's no peace deal?

    I'm pretty sure Trump wants all assistance to Ukraine stopped (which it nearly has now anyway) and to throw them to Putin. I'm equally sure Ukraine won't surrender even if aid is cut, so it'll fall to Europe to either make up the slack or continue support either way.

    That being the case, the war will continue to destroy Russian and Ukrainian lives and head both countries to the edge.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,447

    If we are all very lucky A11pl3Z will hit Mars and set off enough chaos in the solar system to put all of us out of ur misery.

    Not a chance on current trajectory
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,717
    Surprised 145.2 wasn't given as a wide tbh - I know it's a test match but how on earth are you meant to get it from there ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,632
    HYUFD said:

    Sky

    Lord Lipsey body found in river wye

    RIP A former adviser to Callaghan
    I seem vaguely to recall he was involved in electoral reform as well.
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