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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,881
    edited July 3
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @FirstSquawk

    DEPUTY COMMANDER OF RUSSIAN NAVY KILLED IN RUSSIA'S KURSK REGION, GOVERNOR SAYS

    Along with a number of senior officers.
    https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1940673354865967113
    He might have been something in Naval Infantry, but the Chief of the Main Staff (ie Deputy CinC) of the Russian Navy is an Admiral not a Major General.

    I'm sure it's an honest mistake.
    Reuters appears to have made the same mistake.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/deputy-head-russian-navy-killed-by-ukraine-kursk-official-says-2025-07-03/

    Was he a marine ?

    Apparently so:
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/major-general-mikhail-gudkov-death-russia-kursk-ukraine-b1236215.html

    Anyway, no ranks in hell.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,047
    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,599
    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @FirstSquawk

    DEPUTY COMMANDER OF RUSSIAN NAVY KILLED IN RUSSIA'S KURSK REGION, GOVERNOR SAYS

    Along with a number of senior officers.
    https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1940673354865967113
    He might have been something in Naval Infantry, but the Chief of the Main Staff (ie Deputy CinC) of the Russian Navy is an Admiral not a Major General.

    I'm sure it's an honest mistake.
    Reuters appears to have made the same mistake.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/deputy-head-russian-navy-killed-by-ukraine-kursk-official-says-2025-07-03/

    Was he a marine ?
    According that article, he was. I just checked the Russian Navy website. Deputy CinC is Admiral Kasatonov.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,073
    edited July 3

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    Tories heading for 5th position.

    Incidentally there's a by-election in Fulham Town today which I think the LDs will probably win from the Tories.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,881
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @FirstSquawk

    DEPUTY COMMANDER OF RUSSIAN NAVY KILLED IN RUSSIA'S KURSK REGION, GOVERNOR SAYS

    Along with a number of senior officers.
    https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1940673354865967113
    He might have been something in Naval Infantry, but the Chief of the Main Staff (ie Deputy CinC) of the Russian Navy is an Admiral not a Major General.

    I'm sure it's an honest mistake.
    Reuters appears to have made the same mistake.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/deputy-head-russian-navy-killed-by-ukraine-kursk-official-says-2025-07-03/

    Was he a marine ?
    According that article, he was. I just checked the Russian Navy website. Deputy CinC is Admiral Kasatonov.
    Probably a Putin SMO bauble, then.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,551

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 2,004

    HYUFD said:

    Yes Cooper is probably the most heavyweight frontbencher if Reeves goes. May mean Ed Balls is backseat driving on economic policy if she becomes Chancellor though

    Although one might surmise that after serving as Chief Secretary to the Treasury under Brown the fact shes been put pretty much everywhere - Shadiw Foreign, Home, DWP etc etc except back in the Treasury it suggests she didnt set the world alight with her economics
    Our whole system is based on ministers not being specialists. Mrs Thatcher was not actually driving the tank in that famous picture. Chancellors do not need to have more than the most basic grasp of economics. They do need to have a policy.
    But they do need to be able to count. There is little evidence Reeves can count. There is absolute evidence that Keir Starmer is functionally disnumerate and I wouldn't be surprised is Reeves is much the same.
    SKS has an A in maths at A-level, and Reeves has an A in both maths and further maths, so it is absurd to claim that they are unable to count or "disnumerate" (a word which you appear to have invented; I assume you mean innumerate). They may not be the world's greatest economists, but they are certainly not stupid or innumerate.
    Certainly worth a like, but as an accountant of 25 years, I'm now rubbish at Maths despite the A at A-level Maths.
    Calculators and Excel for the win........................

    8 x 7 = 42? Dunno? Where's my calculator.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,551

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Our system is absurd. We take politicians - sometimes career, sometimes unexpected - and we appoint them as ministers because reasons. Endless examples of people being appointed minister for x with no idea what the issues affecting x are. And doing so with zero notice and zero induction or training. Congratulation minister, off to the department, staff clap you, hello, hi, here's your brief no go answer questions in the Commons.

    I welcomed Brown's approach of appointing industry people as ministers, but the appoint them to the Lords bit is absurd.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,131
    Andy_JS said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    Tories heading for 5th position.

    Incidentally there's a by-election in Fulham Town today which I think the LDs will probably win from the Tories.
    Apols if already posted; I've been watching a history talk. However, two by-elections in North Tyneside yesterday, both were Labour seats, now one is Reform.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,616

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Very worrying.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,590

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Very worrying.
    Mysteriously the off shore and foreign owned media seem very happy to continue to give Trump's pal and Brexit godfather a free ride.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,414

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Our system is absurd. We take politicians - sometimes career, sometimes unexpected - and we appoint them as ministers because reasons. Endless examples of people being appointed minister for x with no idea what the issues affecting x are. And doing so with zero notice and zero induction or training. Congratulation minister, off to the department, staff clap you, hello, hi, here's your brief no go answer questions in the Commons.

    I welcomed Brown's approach of appointing industry people as ministers, but the appoint them to the Lords bit is absurd.
    The problem is a lack of training or career progression.

    The purchase of rank in the Army in the Goode Olde Dayz made about as much sense.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,590
    boulay said:

    Why has some bellend reporter just asked Starmer about Jota? I’m a Liverpool fan and it’s tragic news but the PM is there to be grilled with a finite time and number of questions about political issues and someone asks about this.

    The media agenda is not the same as the interests of the country. QED
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,175

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Despite his amazing political acumen, Nigel does have a few peculiar blind spots. Surely he can't think that anyone in Britain would look at the appointment of, say, RFK Junior and think it was anything other than a grotesque abomination. DOGE was bad enough, but proclaiming Trump's cabinet appointments to be something we should be mimicking? No, no, no Nigel! Take a lie down and reflect.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,827
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @FirstSquawk

    DEPUTY COMMANDER OF RUSSIAN NAVY KILLED IN RUSSIA'S KURSK REGION, GOVERNOR SAYS

    Along with a number of senior officers.
    https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1940673354865967113
    He might have been something in Naval Infantry, but the Chief of the Main Staff (ie Deputy CinC) of the Russian Navy is an Admiral not a Major General.

    I'm sure it's an honest mistake.
    Reuters appears to have made the same mistake.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/deputy-head-russian-navy-killed-by-ukraine-kursk-official-says-2025-07-03/

    Was he a marine ?
    According that article, he was. I just checked the Russian Navy website. Deputy CinC is Admiral Kasatonov.
    Strangely enough, the current First Sea Lord is a general.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,001

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    I bet it does.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,599

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @FirstSquawk

    DEPUTY COMMANDER OF RUSSIAN NAVY KILLED IN RUSSIA'S KURSK REGION, GOVERNOR SAYS

    Along with a number of senior officers.
    https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1940673354865967113
    He might have been something in Naval Infantry, but the Chief of the Main Staff (ie Deputy CinC) of the Russian Navy is an Admiral not a Major General.

    I'm sure it's an honest mistake.
    Reuters appears to have made the same mistake.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/deputy-head-russian-navy-killed-by-ukraine-kursk-official-says-2025-07-03/

    Was he a marine ?
    According that article, he was. I just checked the Russian Navy website. Deputy CinC is Admiral Kasatonov.
    Strangely enough, the current First Sea Lord is a general.
    Yeah, I know him and served in 42 with him. He was a bit of a distressed purchase and hasty appointment following his predecessor's shagging antics.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,073

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Very worrying.
    We already have all these ministers in the House of Lords.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,669
    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,669

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Latest Trump.

    Diego Garcia, the best known one whom Trump sent to El Salvador illegally, and brought back by an extradition based on a weak criminal allegation to avoid admitting he f*cked it up, has requested to be held in custody whilst his latest case is processed because he is scared that if he is released Trump's ICE goons will yank him off the streets and send him to God-knows-where before it is concluded.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmyizIN4CBo

    I've got a glitch there, haven't I? :smile:

    "Diego Garcia" -> "Abrego Garcia"
    No man is an island
    Very good
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,073
    Jadeja goes for 89.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,073

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Truest comment ever on PB.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,551

    https://x.com/paulpowlesland/status/1940688546429292704

    I recently got stopped & ticketed by the City of London Police for, & I kid you not, “cycling no handed”. Even though it’s clearly not an offence, the officer said they were ticketing me under the Human Rights Act as I was infringing other people’s Article 2 ‘Right to Life’, in case I fell off & injured them: utterly bonkers stuff.

    A ticket is - in effect - an offer to accept a penalty on return for not going to court. In this case, as there is clearly no underlying offence, I would have thought the cyclist can simply opt for the court case, safe in the knowledge that the police/CPS are not going to pursue it.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,890

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,385

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Latest Trump.

    Diego Garcia, the best known one whom Trump sent to El Salvador illegally, and brought back by an extradition based on a weak criminal allegation to avoid admitting he f*cked it up, has requested to be held in custody whilst his latest case is processed because he is scared that if he is released Trump's ICE goons will yank him off the streets and send him to God-knows-where before it is concluded.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmyizIN4CBo

    I've got a glitch there, haven't I? :smile:

    "Diego Garcia" -> "Abrego Garcia"
    No man is an island
    Apart from Lewis Harris.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1954376/
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,426
    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Latest Trump.

    Diego Garcia, the best known one whom Trump sent to El Salvador illegally, and brought back by an extradition based on a weak criminal allegation to avoid admitting he f*cked it up, has requested to be held in custody whilst his latest case is processed because he is scared that if he is released Trump's ICE goons will yank him off the streets and send him to God-knows-where before it is concluded.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmyizIN4CBo

    I've got a glitch there, haven't I? :smile:

    "Diego Garcia" -> "Abrego Garcia"
    No man is an island
    Apart from Lewis Harris.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1954376/
    Or New Zealand Cricket legend, Jeremy Coney.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,881
    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Latest Trump.

    Diego Garcia, the best known one whom Trump sent to El Salvador illegally, and brought back by an extradition based on a weak criminal allegation to avoid admitting he f*cked it up, has requested to be held in custody whilst his latest case is processed because he is scared that if he is released Trump's ICE goons will yank him off the streets and send him to God-knows-where before it is concluded.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmyizIN4CBo

    I've got a glitch there, haven't I? :smile:

    "Diego Garcia" -> "Abrego Garcia"
    No man is an island
    Apart from Lewis Harris.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1954376/
    That's two islands.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,551

    HYUFD said:

    Yes Cooper is probably the most heavyweight frontbencher if Reeves goes. May mean Ed Balls is backseat driving on economic policy if she becomes Chancellor though

    Although one might surmise that after serving as Chief Secretary to the Treasury under Brown the fact shes been put pretty much everywhere - Shadiw Foreign, Home, DWP etc etc except back in the Treasury it suggests she didnt set the world alight with her economics
    Our whole system is based on ministers not being specialists. Mrs Thatcher was not actually driving the tank in that famous picture. Chancellors do not need to have more than the most basic grasp of economics. They do need to have a policy.
    But they do need to be able to count. There is little evidence Reeves can count. There is absolute evidence that Keir Starmer is functionally disnumerate and I wouldn't be surprised is Reeves is much the same.
    SKS has an A in maths at A-level, and Reeves has an A in both maths and further maths, so it is absurd to claim that they are unable to count or "disnumerate" (a word which you appear to have invented; I assume you mean innumerate). They may not be the world's greatest economists, but they are certainly not stupid or innumerate.
    Certainly worth a like, but as an accountant of 25 years, I'm now rubbish at Maths despite the A at A-level Maths.
    Calculators and Excel for the win........................

    8 x 7 = 42? Dunno? Where's my calculator.
    56 = 7 * 8

    Easiest one to remember of all the times tables
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,890

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Latest Trump.

    Diego Garcia, the best known one whom Trump sent to El Salvador illegally, and brought back by an extradition based on a weak criminal allegation to avoid admitting he f*cked it up, has requested to be held in custody whilst his latest case is processed because he is scared that if he is released Trump's ICE goons will yank him off the streets and send him to God-knows-where before it is concluded.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmyizIN4CBo

    I've got a glitch there, haven't I? :smile:

    "Diego Garcia" -> "Abrego Garcia"
    No man is an island
    All men are islands. They’re wights.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,551

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Indeed: what we need is more TV personalities as ministers.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,045
    Stereodog said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works for you.
    If it's not too impertinent a question, do you find your diet very expensive? I think it would suit my husband and I well as we're both carnivores too but I worry about the cost of an entirely meat based diet.
    Hi @Stereodog sorry for the late reply.

    At first, yes, it was more expensive. But over time as I've gotten used to it I would say its actually saving me money.

    Reason is I've eliminated snacks and takeaways.

    Eg nowadays a bag of Doritos can cost £2.50, or a takeaway is at least a tenner for an affordable one.

    I cook all my own meals now. I bring a packed lunch with me to work every day.

    So yes I do spend a considerable amount on meat in my weekly supermarket shop, but that's my food expenditure done for the week. I'm not snacking, eating between meals or having takeaways, all of which are expensive.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,001
    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Indeed: what we need is more TV personalities as ministers.
    Nick Ferrari for Defence?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,307
    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Indeed: what we need is more TV personalities as ministers.
    Careful Nige: we'll end up with Lord Sugar as PM...
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,385
    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Latest Trump.

    Diego Garcia, the best known one whom Trump sent to El Salvador illegally, and brought back by an extradition based on a weak criminal allegation to avoid admitting he f*cked it up, has requested to be held in custody whilst his latest case is processed because he is scared that if he is released Trump's ICE goons will yank him off the streets and send him to God-knows-where before it is concluded.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmyizIN4CBo

    I've got a glitch there, haven't I? :smile:

    "Diego Garcia" -> "Abrego Garcia"
    No man is an island
    Apart from Lewis Harris.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1954376/
    That's two islands.
    Weirdly not. Hence my attempted joke.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_and_Harris
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,259

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,551
    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Indeed: what we need is more TV personalities as ministers.
    Nick Ferrari for Defence?
    Defence is so passive. What we need is a Minister of Attack.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,001

    Stereodog said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works for you.
    If it's not too impertinent a question, do you find your diet very expensive? I think it would suit my husband and I well as we're both carnivores too but I worry about the cost of an entirely meat based diet.
    Hi @Stereodog sorry for the late reply.

    At first, yes, it was more expensive. But over time as I've gotten used to it I would say its actually saving me money.

    Reason is I've eliminated snacks and takeaways.

    Eg nowadays a bag of Doritos can cost £2.50, or a takeaway is at least a tenner for an affordable one.

    I cook all my own meals now. I bring a packed lunch with me to work every day.

    So yes I do spend a considerable amount on meat in my weekly supermarket shop, but that's my food expenditure done for the week. I'm not snacking, eating between meals or having takeaways, all of which are expensive.
    What about your greens?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,685

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    PB Tories were right. So much winning.
    How many PB Tories are no longer PB Tories?
    Once a PB Tory, always a PB Tory/ RefTory.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,084
    edited July 3

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Our system is absurd. We take politicians - sometimes career, sometimes unexpected - and we appoint them as ministers because reasons. Endless examples of people being appointed minister for x with no idea what the issues affecting x are. And doing so with zero notice and zero induction or training. Congratulation minister, off to the department, staff clap you, hello, hi, here's your brief no go answer questions in the Commons.

    I welcomed Brown's approach of appointing industry people as ministers, but the appoint them to the Lords bit is absurd.
    We've been thru this before, and from memory @Richard_Tyndall and I had quite a lengthy discussion, my side of which I summarise as follows:
    • There are precedents for this. They are few and far between, usually during wartime (Smuts, Menzies) but sometimes during peacetime, when people who are neither MPs nor Lords are appointed to cabinet. When this happens, the question of accountability arises: how are they answerable to Parliament?. This problem can be solved by calling them in to testify to committees, but a better - well quicker - solution is to ennoble them.
    • Blair/Brown did an end-run around this process by appointing so-called "Tsars", who were more jumped-up advisors with a big hat. Which is nice for them and makes them feel BIG AND IMPORTANT
    • The Civil Service refers to non-Parliamentarian Cabinet Ministers as "GOATS" (an acronym for "Government Of All The Talents") and some links are below
    https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmpubadm/330/33004.htm
    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/article/comment/ministers-reflect-advice-goats-how-be-lords-minister
    https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmpubadm/330/330.pdf

    You don't need an AI when you have me... :)
  • isamisam Posts: 42,128
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,084
    edited July 3

    HYUFD said:

    Yes Cooper is probably the most heavyweight frontbencher if Reeves goes. May mean Ed Balls is backseat driving on economic policy if she becomes Chancellor though

    Although one might surmise that after serving as Chief Secretary to the Treasury under Brown the fact shes been put pretty much everywhere - Shadiw Foreign, Home, DWP etc etc except back in the Treasury it suggests she didnt set the world alight with her economics
    Our whole system is based on ministers not being specialists. Mrs Thatcher was not actually driving the tank in that famous picture. Chancellors do not need to have more than the most basic grasp of economics. They do need to have a policy.
    But they do need to be able to count. There is little evidence Reeves can count. There is absolute evidence that Keir Starmer is functionally disnumerate and I wouldn't be surprised is Reeves is much the same.
    SKS has an A in maths at A-level, and Reeves has an A in both maths and further maths, so it is absurd to claim that they are unable to count or "disnumerate" (a word which you appear to have invented; I assume you mean innumerate). They may not be the world's greatest economists, but they are certainly not stupid or innumerate.
    Certainly worth a like, but as an accountant of 25 years, I'm now rubbish at Maths despite the A at A-level Maths.
    Calculators and Excel for the win........................

    8 x 7 = 42? Dunno? Where's my calculator.
    No, silly. 42 is what you get when you multiply six by nine. Obviously.

    (hums "Journey of the Sorcerer")
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,287

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,079
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    I was once walking along the riverside esplanade in Nottingham, and stopped to chat to a rather overweight lady who was on roller skates. She had been trying for years to lose weight, and found running impossible. She had tried riding a bike, but hadn't liked it. Her doctor then suggested roller skating, so she was going out every lunchtime to rollerskate up and down the esplanade. She claimed the weight was falling off of her.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,001

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    That chestnut doesn't apply for something that is conceptually impossible to disprove.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,047
    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1940711973563380030

    MY SPECTATOR COVER ON A YEAR OF LABOUR
    🔥LEAKED MEMO: McSweeney predicted Starmer's problems with 'super actvist' MPs before the election
    🔥'Rachel is a study in Shakesperean tragedy'
    🔥Chief whip warned of welfare defeat 9 months ago/ was threatened with sack
    🔥No 10 now using 'synthetic voters' in fake focus groups
    🔥'We thought it was 2010, the public wanted 1997'
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,532

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    Well no. And I can't state for sure that there is not a new species of small rodent living in the space under my house, for the reasons you set out. But under the circumstances, my belief that there is not seems more reasonable than a belief that there is.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,713
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes Cooper is probably the most heavyweight frontbencher if Reeves goes. May mean Ed Balls is backseat driving on economic policy if she becomes Chancellor though

    Although one might surmise that after serving as Chief Secretary to the Treasury under Brown the fact shes been put pretty much everywhere - Shadiw Foreign, Home, DWP etc etc except back in the Treasury it suggests she didnt set the world alight with her economics
    Our whole system is based on ministers not being specialists. Mrs Thatcher was not actually driving the tank in that famous picture. Chancellors do not need to have more than the most basic grasp of economics. They do need to have a policy.
    But they do need to be able to count. There is little evidence Reeves can count. There is absolute evidence that Keir Starmer is functionally disnumerate and I wouldn't be surprised is Reeves is much the same.
    SKS has an A in maths at A-level, and Reeves has an A in both maths and further maths, so it is absurd to claim that they are unable to count or "disnumerate" (a word which you appear to have invented; I assume you mean innumerate). They may not be the world's greatest economists, but they are certainly not stupid or innumerate.
    Certainly worth a like, but as an accountant of 25 years, I'm now rubbish at Maths despite the A at A-level Maths.
    Calculators and Excel for the win........................

    8 x 7 = 42? Dunno? Where's my calculator.
    56 = 7 * 8

    Easiest one to remember of all the times tables
    Just have to remember the steps.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,532

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    I was once walking along the riverside esplanade in Nottingham, and stopped to chat to a rather overweight lady who was on roller skates. She had been trying for years to lose weight, and found running impossible. She had tried riding a bike, but hadn't liked it. Her doctor then suggested roller skating, so she was going out every lunchtime to rollerskate up and down the esplanade. She claimed the weight was falling off of her.
    I met a large man roller skating in Wythenshawe Park one Sunday morning a few weeks back. He found it much easier on his knees than running.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,001

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1940711973563380030

    MY SPECTATOR COVER ON A YEAR OF LABOUR
    🔥LEAKED MEMO: McSweeney predicted Starmer's problems with 'super actvist' MPs before the election
    🔥'Rachel is a study in Shakesperean tragedy'
    🔥Chief whip warned of welfare defeat 9 months ago/ was threatened with sack
    🔥No 10 now using 'synthetic voters' in fake focus groups
    🔥'We thought it was 2010, the public wanted 1997'

    The public wanted debt to be 45% of GDP?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,532

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    I'm actually reasonably fit for a 50 year old - I cycled the width of England on Saturday - yet I'm still a massive fat bastard.
    Actually, I saw the number '14' in the 'st' column on the scales this morning for the first time in over a decade. But that's mainly because I've been ill for three days. It'll go back on as soon as I resume eating three meals a day.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,287
    Scott_xP said:

    @FirstSquawk

    DEPUTY COMMANDER OF RUSSIAN NAVY KILLED IN RUSSIA'S KURSK REGION, GOVERNOR SAYS

    Kursk’s quite a long way inland…
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,551
    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    I'm actually reasonably fit for a 50 year old - I cycled the width of England on Saturday - yet I'm still a massive fat bastard.
    Actually, I saw the number '14' in the 'st' column on the scales this morning for the first time in over a decade. But that's mainly because I've been ill for three days. It'll go back on as soon as I resume eating three meals a day.
    You cycled more than the width: you could have made your life a whole bunch easier by starting at Gretna Green.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,047
    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Indeed: what we need is more TV personalities as ministers.
    Nick Ferrari for Defence?
    Defence is so passive. What we need is a Minister of Attack.
    Restore the War Office
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,259

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    I was once walking along the riverside esplanade in Nottingham, and stopped to chat to a rather overweight lady who was on roller skates. She had been trying for years to lose weight, and found running impossible. She had tried riding a bike, but hadn't liked it. Her doctor then suggested roller skating, so she was going out every lunchtime to rollerskate up and down the esplanade. She claimed the weight was falling off of her.
    That's a great idea, roller skating uses so many muscle groups too. Honestly any kind of movement is good, whatever it is. Only 30-40 mins per day is needed and it's legitimately life changing. I've coupled my exercise with The Conqueror which helps with motivation for sure and gives me a target to hit (~25km per day). I'd recommend it for you if you haven't heard of it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,881
    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,881
    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Latest Trump.

    Diego Garcia, the best known one whom Trump sent to El Salvador illegally, and brought back by an extradition based on a weak criminal allegation to avoid admitting he f*cked it up, has requested to be held in custody whilst his latest case is processed because he is scared that if he is released Trump's ICE goons will yank him off the streets and send him to God-knows-where before it is concluded.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmyizIN4CBo

    I've got a glitch there, haven't I? :smile:

    "Diego Garcia" -> "Abrego Garcia"
    No man is an island
    Apart from Lewis Harris.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1954376/
    That's two islands.
    Weirdly not. Hence my attempted joke.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_and_Harris
    I was always lousy at geography.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,532
    Taz said:

    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Latest Trump.

    Diego Garcia, the best known one whom Trump sent to El Salvador illegally, and brought back by an extradition based on a weak criminal allegation to avoid admitting he f*cked it up, has requested to be held in custody whilst his latest case is processed because he is scared that if he is released Trump's ICE goons will yank him off the streets and send him to God-knows-where before it is concluded.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmyizIN4CBo

    I've got a glitch there, haven't I? :smile:

    "Diego Garcia" -> "Abrego Garcia"
    No man is an island
    Apart from Lewis Harris.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1954376/
    Or New Zealand Cricket legend, Jeremy Coney.
    Or Craig David, who has clearly just anglicised his pronunciation:

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,371
    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Latest Trump.

    Diego Garcia, the best known one whom Trump sent to El Salvador illegally, and brought back by an extradition based on a weak criminal allegation to avoid admitting he f*cked it up, has requested to be held in custody whilst his latest case is processed because he is scared that if he is released Trump's ICE goons will yank him off the streets and send him to God-knows-where before it is concluded.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmyizIN4CBo

    I've got a glitch there, haven't I? :smile:

    "Diego Garcia" -> "Abrego Garcia"
    No man is an island
    Apart from Lewis Harris.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1954376/
    No, he's two islands.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,131
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes Cooper is probably the most heavyweight frontbencher if Reeves goes. May mean Ed Balls is backseat driving on economic policy if she becomes Chancellor though

    Although one might surmise that after serving as Chief Secretary to the Treasury under Brown the fact shes been put pretty much everywhere - Shadiw Foreign, Home, DWP etc etc except back in the Treasury it suggests she didnt set the world alight with her economics
    Our whole system is based on ministers not being specialists. Mrs Thatcher was not actually driving the tank in that famous picture. Chancellors do not need to have more than the most basic grasp of economics. They do need to have a policy.
    But they do need to be able to count. There is little evidence Reeves can count. There is absolute evidence that Keir Starmer is functionally disnumerate and I wouldn't be surprised is Reeves is much the same.
    SKS has an A in maths at A-level, and Reeves has an A in both maths and further maths, so it is absurd to claim that they are unable to count or "disnumerate" (a word which you appear to have invented; I assume you mean innumerate). They may not be the world's greatest economists, but they are certainly not stupid or innumerate.
    Certainly worth a like, but as an accountant of 25 years, I'm now rubbish at Maths despite the A at A-level Maths.
    Calculators and Excel for the win........................

    8 x 7 = 42? Dunno? Where's my calculator.
    56 = 7 * 8

    Easiest one to remember of all the times tables
    Just have to remember the steps.
    There’s a dementia test in which one has to count backwards in 7’a from 100…..93, 86 and so on.

    I practice every so often!
  • isamisam Posts: 42,128
    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    Losing weight is far more about diet than exercise anyway. I do less running than ever now, but have lost the best part of a stone in the last year from changing what I eat (drink). Obviously exercise is important as well, and I do a fair bit, but it's not that efficient if what you want is to weigh less
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,366
    edited July 3

    Andy_JS said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    Tories heading for 5th position.

    Incidentally there's a by-election in Fulham Town today which I think the LDs will probably win from the Tories.
    Apols if already posted; I've been watching a history talk. However, two by-elections in North Tyneside yesterday, both were Labour seats, now one is Reform.
    Yes an interesting pair of seats
    Killingworth the Ref gain is in (unsurprisingly) Cramlington and Killingworth, which looks a Reform gain in 2029/next time. However it might be a rare three way tussle, the Tories did pretty well in the Cramlington sections in the May locals (and relatively better in Northumberland staying largest party than the disasters in the West country and midlands etc) and Labour have some strong Tyne wards in it too. Con vote held up relatively well in this ward compared to the Lab collapse with Ref surging but not motoring out of the 30s to take it.

    I think
    1 Reform 2 Labour 3 Tory but on a 35 30 25 type split so all to play for for all three if polling moves a bit

    Longbenton the Labour hold is Newcastle upon Tyne north, Safely Labour by 40 points with Con, Ref, Green, LD all within 3 points of each other between 10 and 13%.
    I think Tories will slip from second to fifth here and struggle to hold deposit, green and LD 3rd and 4th, Labour hold but Reform making real progress to challenge in 2034?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,001
    edited July 3
    Cookie said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    **
    Cookie said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    Well no. And I can't state for sure that there is not a new species of small rodent living in the space under my house, for the reasons you set out. But under the circumstances, my belief that there is not seems more reasonable than a belief that there is.
    You can never prove God doesn't exist. But the saying 'absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence' doesn't work here. It's not proof but the absence of evidence that God exists absolutely is evidence that God doesn't exist. It's very compelling evidence and furthermore the only evidence that is ever conceptually possible (since God appearing and telling us he doesn't exist would prove the opposite).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,414
    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Indeed: what we need is more TV personalities as ministers.
    Nick Ferrari for Defence?
    Defence is so passive. What we need is a Minister of Attack.
    The Minister for scattering your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,551
    isam said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    Losing weight is far more about diet than exercise anyway. I do less running than ever now, but have lost the best part of a stone in the last year from changing what I eat (drink). Obviously exercise is important as well, and I do a fair bit, but it's not that efficient if what you want is to weigh less
    I agree: but it's easier to maintain a healthy diet as part of an overall commitment to health and fitness.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,307
    edited July 3

    Scott_xP said:

    @FirstSquawk

    DEPUTY COMMANDER OF RUSSIAN NAVY KILLED IN RUSSIA'S KURSK REGION, GOVERNOR SAYS

    Kursk’s quite a long way inland…
    Matters less when your ships have all been sunk...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,307
    Cookie said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    Well no. And I can't state for sure that there is not a new species of small rodent living in the space under my house, for the reasons you set out. But under the circumstances, my belief that there is not seems more reasonable than a belief that there is.
    It won't be a rodent. It will be a species of bat.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,993

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Oh, great, a Cabinet full of GB News presenters! Spare us...
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,590

    Andy_JS said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    Tories heading for 5th position.

    Incidentally there's a by-election in Fulham Town today which I think the LDs will probably win from the Tories.
    Apols if already posted; I've been watching a history talk. However, two by-elections in North Tyneside yesterday, both were Labour seats, now one is Reform.
    Yes an interesting pair of seats
    Killingworth the Ref gain is in (unsurprisingly) Cramlington and Killingworth, which looks a Reform gain in 2029/next time. However it might be a rare three way tussle, the Tories did pretty well in the Cramlington sections in the May locals (and relatively better in Northumberland staying largest party than the disasters in the West country and midlands etc) and Labour have some strong Tyne wards in it too. Con vote held up relatively well in this ward compared to the Lab collapse with Ref surging but not motoring out of the 30s to take it.

    I think
    1 Reform 2 Labour 3 Tory but on a 35 30 25 type split so all to play for for all three if polling moves a bit

    Longbenton the Labour hold is Newcastle upon Tyne north, Safely Labour by 40 points with Con, Ref, Green, LD all within 3 points of each other between 10 and 13%.
    I think Tories will slip from second to fifth here and struggle to hold deposit, green and LD 3rd and 4th, Labour hold but Reform making real progress to challenge in 2034?
    Nine years is an infinity of time in the Farageverse. Less than 50-50 the pity even exists in its current format.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,881

    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Indeed: what we need is more TV personalities as ministers.
    Nick Ferrari for Defence?
    Defence is so passive. What we need is a Minister of Attack.
    The Minister for scattering your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters.
    Khan !!
    (Just not the mayor of London one.)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,307

    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Indeed: what we need is more TV personalities as ministers.
    Nick Ferrari for Defence?
    Defence is so passive. What we need is a Minister of Attack.
    The Minister for scattering your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters.
    Or Putin, as we call him.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,494
    edited July 3
    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1940711973563380030

    MY SPECTATOR COVER ON A YEAR OF LABOUR
    🔥LEAKED MEMO: McSweeney predicted Starmer's problems with 'super actvist' MPs before the election
    🔥'Rachel is a study in Shakesperean tragedy'
    🔥Chief whip warned of welfare defeat 9 months ago/ was threatened with sack
    🔥No 10 now using 'synthetic voters' in fake focus groups
    🔥'We thought it was 2010, the public wanted 1997'

    The public wanted debt to be 45% of GDP?
    The public doesn’t pay attention to things unless they have to.

    Hence the Ming vase campaign that said No Tax rises means a lot of voters think everything is fine and dandy with few tax increases required.

    The reality is of course very different but because they avoided saying so at the time it’s impossible to increases taxes now because the voters will end up asking did you know and lie to us or did you not know and so are incompetent
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,982
    edited July 3
    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    No, the hype around Semaglutide and Tirzepide is kosher, a real breakthrough.

    The number of people that I see in my diabetic clinics who have shed weight of several stones is now a routine, often having failed on various diets for years. In addition it has anti-inflammatory properties so often back and knee pain is better even before weight loss occurs, hence allowing a much more active lifestyle.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,214

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Oh, great, a Cabinet full of GB News presenters! Spare us...
    Thought most GB news presenters were active politicians
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,993

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes Cooper is probably the most heavyweight frontbencher if Reeves goes. May mean Ed Balls is backseat driving on economic policy if she becomes Chancellor though

    Although one might surmise that after serving as Chief Secretary to the Treasury under Brown the fact shes been put pretty much everywhere - Shadiw Foreign, Home, DWP etc etc except back in the Treasury it suggests she didnt set the world alight with her economics
    Our whole system is based on ministers not being specialists. Mrs Thatcher was not actually driving the tank in that famous picture. Chancellors do not need to have more than the most basic grasp of economics. They do need to have a policy.
    But they do need to be able to count. There is little evidence Reeves can count. There is absolute evidence that Keir Starmer is functionally disnumerate and I wouldn't be surprised is Reeves is much the same.
    SKS has an A in maths at A-level, and Reeves has an A in both maths and further maths, so it is absurd to claim that they are unable to count or "disnumerate" (a word which you appear to have invented; I assume you mean innumerate). They may not be the world's greatest economists, but they are certainly not stupid or innumerate.
    Certainly worth a like, but as an accountant of 25 years, I'm now rubbish at Maths despite the A at A-level Maths.
    Calculators and Excel for the win........................

    8 x 7 = 42? Dunno? Where's my calculator.
    56 = 7 * 8

    Easiest one to remember of all the times tables
    Just have to remember the steps.
    There’s a dementia test in which one has to count backwards in 7’a from 100…..93, 86 and so on.

    I practice every so often!
    Do it in 13s to give yourself more of a challenge.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,259
    isam said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    Losing weight is far more about diet than exercise anyway. I do less running than ever now, but have lost the best part of a stone in the last year from changing what I eat (drink). Obviously exercise is important as well, and I do a fair bit, but it's not that efficient if what you want is to weigh less
    Yeah of course, you can't outrun a shit diet which is again another reason the state needs to start looking at personal responsibility, self help and helping people help themselves rather than just high value monetary handouts to fund a daily delivery of takeaway food.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,366
    Cicero said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    Tories heading for 5th position.

    Incidentally there's a by-election in Fulham Town today which I think the LDs will probably win from the Tories.
    Apols if already posted; I've been watching a history talk. However, two by-elections in North Tyneside yesterday, both were Labour seats, now one is Reform.
    Yes an interesting pair of seats
    Killingworth the Ref gain is in (unsurprisingly) Cramlington and Killingworth, which looks a Reform gain in 2029/next time. However it might be a rare three way tussle, the Tories did pretty well in the Cramlington sections in the May locals (and relatively better in Northumberland staying largest party than the disasters in the West country and midlands etc) and Labour have some strong Tyne wards in it too. Con vote held up relatively well in this ward compared to the Lab collapse with Ref surging but not motoring out of the 30s to take it.

    I think
    1 Reform 2 Labour 3 Tory but on a 35 30 25 type split so all to play for for all three if polling moves a bit

    Longbenton the Labour hold is Newcastle upon Tyne north, Safely Labour by 40 points with Con, Ref, Green, LD all within 3 points of each other between 10 and 13%.
    I think Tories will slip from second to fifth here and struggle to hold deposit, green and LD 3rd and 4th, Labour hold but Reform making real progress to challenge in 2034?
    Nine years is an infinity of time in the Farageverse. Less than 50-50 the pity even exists in its current format.
    Hence the ?
    Obviously if Reform do not break through next time to a substantial number of seats or largest party its all moot.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,111

    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Indeed: what we need is more TV personalities as ministers.
    Nick Ferrari for Defence?
    Defence is so passive. What we need is a Minister of Attack.
    The Minister for scattering your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters.
    Conan: "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,214

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes Cooper is probably the most heavyweight frontbencher if Reeves goes. May mean Ed Balls is backseat driving on economic policy if she becomes Chancellor though

    Although one might surmise that after serving as Chief Secretary to the Treasury under Brown the fact shes been put pretty much everywhere - Shadiw Foreign, Home, DWP etc etc except back in the Treasury it suggests she didnt set the world alight with her economics
    Our whole system is based on ministers not being specialists. Mrs Thatcher was not actually driving the tank in that famous picture. Chancellors do not need to have more than the most basic grasp of economics. They do need to have a policy.
    But they do need to be able to count. There is little evidence Reeves can count. There is absolute evidence that Keir Starmer is functionally disnumerate and I wouldn't be surprised is Reeves is much the same.
    SKS has an A in maths at A-level, and Reeves has an A in both maths and further maths, so it is absurd to claim that they are unable to count or "disnumerate" (a word which you appear to have invented; I assume you mean innumerate). They may not be the world's greatest economists, but they are certainly not stupid or innumerate.
    Certainly worth a like, but as an accountant of 25 years, I'm now rubbish at Maths despite the A at A-level Maths.
    Calculators and Excel for the win........................

    8 x 7 = 42? Dunno? Where's my calculator.
    56 = 7 * 8

    Easiest one to remember of all the times tables
    Just have to remember the steps.
    There’s a dementia test in which one has to count backwards in 7’a from 100…..93, 86 and so on.

    I practice every so often!
    Does that not defeat the purpose?
    My parent scored better on the dementia tests than the practice nurse in most categories, brain scan still showed the large voids caused by Alzheimer's.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,827
    edited July 3

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    Kemi "16%" Badenoch :lol:
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,993
    Dopermean said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes Cooper is probably the most heavyweight frontbencher if Reeves goes. May mean Ed Balls is backseat driving on economic policy if she becomes Chancellor though

    Although one might surmise that after serving as Chief Secretary to the Treasury under Brown the fact shes been put pretty much everywhere - Shadiw Foreign, Home, DWP etc etc except back in the Treasury it suggests she didnt set the world alight with her economics
    Our whole system is based on ministers not being specialists. Mrs Thatcher was not actually driving the tank in that famous picture. Chancellors do not need to have more than the most basic grasp of economics. They do need to have a policy.
    But they do need to be able to count. There is little evidence Reeves can count. There is absolute evidence that Keir Starmer is functionally disnumerate and I wouldn't be surprised is Reeves is much the same.
    SKS has an A in maths at A-level, and Reeves has an A in both maths and further maths, so it is absurd to claim that they are unable to count or "disnumerate" (a word which you appear to have invented; I assume you mean innumerate). They may not be the world's greatest economists, but they are certainly not stupid or innumerate.
    Certainly worth a like, but as an accountant of 25 years, I'm now rubbish at Maths despite the A at A-level Maths.
    Calculators and Excel for the win........................

    8 x 7 = 42? Dunno? Where's my calculator.
    56 = 7 * 8

    Easiest one to remember of all the times tables
    Just have to remember the steps.
    There’s a dementia test in which one has to count backwards in 7’a from 100…..93, 86 and so on.

    I practice every so often!
    Does that not defeat the purpose?
    My parent scored better on the dementia tests than the practice nurse in most categories, brain scan still showed the large voids caused by Alzheimer's.
    Yes, but it's probably still good mental exercise.

    If you really want to mess with clinical tests, try holding your breath while the blood pressure machine is on.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,532
    edited July 3
    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    I'm actually reasonably fit for a 50 year old - I cycled the width of England on Saturday - yet I'm still a massive fat bastard.
    Actually, I saw the number '14' in the 'st' column on the scales this morning for the first time in over a decade. But that's mainly because I've been ill for three days. It'll go back on as soon as I resume eating three meals a day.
    You cycled more than the width: you could have made your life a whole bunch easier by starting at Gretna Green.
    I think I did it as optimally as I could. I reckon it to be 56 miles from Rockcliffe on the Eden estuary (between Carlisle and Gretna) to Wylam on the Tyne estuary west of Newcastle, by the most direct route. Which is pretty much the route I took. Almost all traffic-minimal (tractors more common than cars) and quite a lot of traffic free. Which is a challenge, but a surprisingly short distance given it’s a trip you can practically see on the scale of a globe.
    Plus the four miles or so from Carlisle of Gretna to Rockcliffe at the start (there’s not much in it it terms of which is closer but I chose Carlisle because there is a direct train from Manchester – and indeed from Newcastle), and the ten miles or so from Wylam to Newcastle at the end (you could just get on a train at Wylam but the ten miles is flat and off road and easy). I made it 72 miles in total for the route I went. (Plus 6 miles at the start and end from my home suburb to the relevant Central Manchester stations).
    Enough to feel pleased with yourself but surprisingly doable. I recommend it. You can even choose which way around you do it depending on the wind direction on the day.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,111

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    So Farage is saying his likely Reform candidates at the next election won't be up to the job?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,881
    .
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    No, the hype around Semaglutide and Tirzepide is kosher, a real breakthrough.

    The number of people that I see in my diabetic clinics who have shed weight of several stones is now a routine, often having failed on various diets for years. In addition it has anti-inflammatory properties so often back and knee pain is better even before weight loss occurs, hence allowing a much more active lifestyle.
    Agreed.

    I was talking about the exercise mimics though. It's entirely possible those could surprise me, but it's a more complicated problem than that the weight loss drugs address.
    (And we still need longer term safety data on those.)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,134
    The answer to Nigel Fucking Farage's ludicrous question, which the Brexiteers won't want to articulate is SOVEREIGNTY, so we can vote the bastards out...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,551
    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    I'm actually reasonably fit for a 50 year old - I cycled the width of England on Saturday - yet I'm still a massive fat bastard.
    Actually, I saw the number '14' in the 'st' column on the scales this morning for the first time in over a decade. But that's mainly because I've been ill for three days. It'll go back on as soon as I resume eating three meals a day.
    You cycled more than the width: you could have made your life a whole bunch easier by starting at Gretna Green.
    I think I did it as optimally as I could. I reckon it to be 56 miles from Rockcliffe on the Eden estuary (between Carlisle and Gretna) to Wylam on the Tyne estuary west of Newcastle, by the most direct route. Which is pretty much the route I took. Almost all traffic-minimal (tractors more common than cars) and quite a lot of traffic free. Which is a challenge, but a surprisingly short distance given it’s a trip you can practically see on the scale of a globe.
    Plus the four miles or so from Carlisle of Gretna to Rockcliffe at the start (there’s not much in it it terms of which is closer but I chose Carlisle because there is a direct train from Manchester – and indeed from Newcastle), and the ten miles or so from Wylam to Newcastle at the end (you could just get on a train at Wylam but the ten miles is flat and off road and easy). I made it 72 miles in total for the route I went. (Plus 6 miles at the start and end from my home suburb to the relevant Central Manchester stations).
    Enough to feel pleased with yourself but surprisingly doable. I recommend it. You can even choose which way around you do it depending on the wind direction on the day.
    You've motivated me. When I'm next back in the UK at the end of August, I'm going to take my Brompton* up and do the same route you did.

    * It's the T Line, and I've got proper clip in pedals, so it's like real cycling
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,532
    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    I'm actually reasonably fit for a 50 year old - I cycled the width of England on Saturday - yet I'm still a massive fat bastard.
    Actually, I saw the number '14' in the 'st' column on the scales this morning for the first time in over a decade. But that's mainly because I've been ill for three days. It'll go back on as soon as I resume eating three meals a day.
    You cycled more than the width: you could have made your life a whole bunch easier by starting at Gretna Green.
    I think I did it as optimally as I could. I reckon it to be 56 miles from Rockcliffe on the Eden estuary (between Carlisle and Gretna) to Wylam on the Tyne estuary west of Newcastle, by the most direct route. Which is pretty much the route I took. Almost all traffic-minimal (tractors more common than cars) and quite a lot of traffic free. Which is a challenge, but a surprisingly short distance given it’s a trip you can practically see on the scale of a globe.
    Plus the four miles or so from Carlisle of Gretna to Rockcliffe at the start (there’s not much in it it terms of which is closer but I chose Carlisle because there is a direct train from Manchester – and indeed from Newcastle), and the ten miles or so from Wylam to Newcastle at the end (you could just get on a train at Wylam but the ten miles is flat and off road and easy). I made it 72 miles in total for the route I went. (Plus 6 miles at the start and end from my home suburb to the relevant Central Manchester stations).
    Enough to feel pleased with yourself but surprisingly doable. I recommend it. You can even choose which way around you do it depending on the wind direction on the day.
    You've motivated me. When I'm next back in the UK at the end of August, I'm going to take my Brompton* up and do the same route you did.

    * It's the T Line, and I've got proper clip in pedals, so it's like real cycling
    Brilliant. You won't regret it.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,057

    Stereodog said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works for you.
    If it's not too impertinent a question, do you find your diet very expensive? I think it would suit my husband and I well as we're both carnivores too but I worry about the cost of an entirely meat based diet.
    Hi @Stereodog sorry for the late reply.

    At first, yes, it was more expensive. But over time as I've gotten used to it I would say its actually saving me money.

    Reason is I've eliminated snacks and takeaways.

    Eg nowadays a bag of Doritos can cost £2.50, or a takeaway is at least a tenner for an affordable one.

    I cook all my own meals now. I bring a packed lunch with me to work every day.

    So yes I do spend a considerable amount on meat in my weekly supermarket shop, but that's my food expenditure done for the week. I'm not snacking, eating between meals or having takeaways, all of which are expensive.
    Apologies for my equally late acknowledgement. That's really helpful thank you. I'm going to explore this as I really need to start a diet and it's probably the only one that would suit my husband too. I don't fancy having to cook two different meals.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,366

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 30% (-)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 16% (-2)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 15% (+2)
    🟢 Greens: 11% (-)

    Changes from 25th June
    [Find Out Now, 2nd July, N=2,604]

    Kemi "16%" Badenoch :lol:
    When the Tories lead the polls on 55% Find Out Now will still have them on 16% 😉
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,442
    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I can personally vouch for this. Whenever I try the wonderdrugs, my booze intake halves, or more

    So much so I am now on them BECAUSE I need to cut my booze intake. I’m not particularly overweight - I could drop a few pounds but no biggie. But my boozing was BAD

    That said I am now sitting in a sunny garden in the rhodope mountains necking a delicious ice cold Staropramen, so I’m not entirely sober either
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,226
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    Peloton was life changing for me too. Bought one just before lockdown (writing was on the wall....) and lost about a stone and a half, toned up, improved my mental health no end.

    Honestly not sure I would have got through those tough months (especially the early 2021 months) without it.....
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,366

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    So Farage is saying his likely Reform candidates at the next election won't be up to the job?
    Technocratic governments, that shining bastion of democracy
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,287
    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @FirstSquawk

    DEPUTY COMMANDER OF RUSSIAN NAVY KILLED IN RUSSIA'S KURSK REGION, GOVERNOR SAYS

    Along with a number of senior officers.
    https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1940673354865967113
    He might have been something in Naval Infantry, but the Chief of the Main Staff (ie Deputy CinC) of the Russian Navy is an Admiral not a Major General.

    I'm sure it's an honest mistake.
    Reuters appears to have made the same mistake.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/deputy-head-russian-navy-killed-by-ukraine-kursk-official-says-2025-07-03/

    Was he a marine ?
    According that article, he was. I just checked the Russian Navy website. Deputy CinC is Admiral Kasatonov.
    Probably a Putin SMO bauble, then.
    The first report I saw had him as deputy CnC of the Black Sea Fleet, not the navy as a whole

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,551
    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    Losing weight is far more about diet than exercise anyway. I do less running than ever now, but have lost the best part of a stone in the last year from changing what I eat (drink). Obviously exercise is important as well, and I do a fair bit, but it's not that efficient if what you want is to weigh less
    Yeah of course, you can't outrun a shit diet which is again another reason the state needs to start looking at personal responsibility, self help and helping people help themselves rather than just high value monetary handouts to fund a daily delivery of takeaway food.
    While you can't outrun a shit diet, I reckon you can outcycle it: particularly if you are willing to put the hours in, and if you live somewhere hilly. When I was really pushing myself last year, I'd do 80 miles of cycling with 2,000-3,000 meters of climbing on a Sunday morning. That's probably 3-4,000 active calories. You have to eat a lot too avoid losing weight at quite a clip if you do that multiple times a week.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,371
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    No, the hype around Semaglutide and Tirzepide is kosher, a real breakthrough.

    The number of people that I see in my diabetic clinics who have shed weight of several stones is now a routine, often having failed on various diets for years. In addition it has anti-inflammatory properties so often back and knee pain is better even before weight loss occurs, hence allowing a much more active lifestyle.
    Are we seeing much long term use data yet? I recall something about the effects starting to drop off after a year or so, but that was a while ago.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,922
    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    A sauna will give you the cardio benefit of exercise; you just have to lie there and endure the heat and sweating for a half hour with a break after twenty minutes.

    For older folks, mobility is more important than brute strength. Whether you can sit down and get up off the floor, without using your arms, correlates strongly with longevity. If you can’t do that, practicing until you can is hugely worthwhile, as is recovering the ability to sit in the squat, sit cross-legged, and kneel back on your heels; all things that pretty much every young person can so, that get lost after decades sitting in a chair. Learning to do those things will build strength, but not the sort you get from exercise machines in a gym.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,922

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Everybody's body is different and there's no one size fits all solution. You need to find something that works for you. You also need to find something you enjoy, so you can maintain it.

    For me a Carnivore, Ketogenic diet has worked well as it naturally suppresses my appetite and its food I enjoy anyway so I can maintain it.

    Nearly two years on my diet and nearly at goal weight now, down nearly 70 lbs. But I wouldn't say everyone should do this, I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try it but you need to find something that works
    for you.
    God does not exist. If She is telling you something, its a hallucination.

    Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

    Belief in God is a matter of faith - as is your atheism. Neither can be stated as definitive facts.
    The evidence that religion, through history and with all its paraphernalia and prejudices, is a human construct is however pretty compelling.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,982
    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/lbc/status/1940679403757064514

    ‘Why must cabinet ministers be politicians? It's nonsense.'

    @Nigel_Farage’s take on a new-look cabinet for Britain involves emulating America.

    Indeed: what we need is more TV personalities as ministers.
    Nick Ferrari for Defence?
    Defence is so passive. What we need is a Minister of Attack.
    Until the 1960s we were less mealy mouthed and had a Minister for War.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,442
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think Labour have bitten off more than they can chew with this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35671855/wes-streeting-more-access-fab-jabs-economy/

    BRITAIN will be “fat free” within a decade, paving the way for tax cuts worth billions of pounds, Wes Streeting declared yesterday.

    People will be fat free or dead if the jabs have some inherent vice only revealed by Streetings mass beta test.
    People have got overweight and under-fit by eating crap between meals - that only builds appetite not stops it - and zero exercise. And there’s some simple cheat that makes them fit and well?

    Nope. God has told us over and over there are no simple “cheats” to wellness and resilience - if you want happiness it must be earned.
    Living in LA, almost everyone is on ozempic. And one of the things I've noticed is that people taking it often cut their drinking back massively, and start exercising. When you are already overweight, exercise is tough and uncomfortable. Once you've lost a few kilograms (thanks to the magic of semiglutide), exercise becomes that much easier.
    I'm pretty thin and I still can't be arsed.
    Get yourself an exercise bike. You can grab a second hand peloton for like £700 off Facebook marketplace. Honestly, it's changed my life. I feel so much better since starting back up, I sleep better, I'm able to run around and keep up with my kids, I've lost weight (and best of all big improvement in sex life due to better stamina).

    Exercise is without a doubt the best medicine. I wish the government would start forcing the fat and lazy to get on the bike rather than just sticking them on PIP. We keep giving people an easy way out.
    People say it all the time, but if there was pill that gave you the feeling you get after some exercise, with the same lack of side effects, it would be worth a fortune... and that's without the longer term benefits it gives you. But people who don't exercise are ludicrously difficult to get started.
    There probably won't be for quite a while, as there are so many metabolic pathways involved.

    Ever so ofter, there's hype around some molecule - the latest being this one (which has been known about for a decade at least).

    Can a pill replace exercise? Swigging this molecule gives mice benefits of working out
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01994-0

    The benefits are usually overhyped, and risks (there are studies which suggest a possible cancer risk for this one) underplayed.
    No, the hype around Semaglutide and Tirzepide is kosher, a real breakthrough.

    The number of people that I see in my diabetic clinics who have shed weight of several stones is now a routine, often having failed on various diets for years. In addition it has anti-inflammatory properties so often back and knee pain is better even before weight loss occurs, hence allowing a much more active lifestyle.

    Yes. They absolutely work

    My sister has struggled with her weight all her life. Miserably. After 8 months of wegovy (or whatever) and she is - for the first time in many years - a healthy weight and she also seems calmer, somehow. Mellower

    Hard to put a finger on it but it’s done something positive to her persona as well as her BMI. Maybe because she’s stopped self loathing?

    They work. Wes is right. Dish them out
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