“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
It's funny how the free speech zealots in America are cancelling or declining to issue so many visas over hurty words.
Writing as someone who watched precisely none of the Glastonbury coverage, I'd not miss it if it were gone but am puzzled why the BBC did not simply put a short delay on the feed.
What happened to the other lot? Kneecap, was it? Did they go ahead? Were they miffed at being upstaged by these newcomers?
DJL's 17th law of life. If you set out to be offensive, be aware that you might succeed.
I have no support for the current authoritarian kleptocracy in the USA at all; but as a supporter of free speech (as I can best understand it - see PB debates passim) I don't think there is any relationship between the idea of the right to free speech (excellent) and the idea of the right to free speech without personal consequences (entirely meaningless).
You have a right to free speech; I have a right to act in response to what it is you say. And vice versa.
Tolerance of free speech is not remotely the same as respect for opinions uttered.
Yes, but is it constitutional for the US executive to cancel visas on the basis of political expression which is perfectly legal - and constitutionally protected - in the US ?
I think they will make the case that all visas are issued solely at the discretion of the executive. So, they can do this,
It is however staggeringly hypocritical to do this while threatening European officials over their insufficient commitment to free speech.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
It's funny how the free speech zealots in America are cancelling or declining to issue so many visas over hurty words.
Writing as someone who watched precisely none of the Glastonbury coverage, I'd not miss it if it were gone but am puzzled why the BBC did not simply put a short delay on the feed.
What happened to the other lot? Kneecap, was it? Did they go ahead? Were they miffed at being upstaged by these newcomers?
DJL's 17th law of life. If you set out to be offensive, be aware that you might succeed.
I have no support for the current authoritarian kleptocracy in the USA at all; but as a supporter of free speech (as I can best understand it - see PB debates passim) I don't think there is any relationship between the idea of the right to free speech (excellent) and the idea of the right to free speech without personal consequences (entirely meaningless).
You have a right to free speech; I have a right to act in response to what it is you say. And vice versa.
Tolerance of free speech is not remotely the same as respect for opinions uttered.
Yes, but is it constitutional for the US executive to cancel visas on the basis of political expression which is perfectly legal - and constitutionally protected - in the US ?
I think so... They have a lot of leeway around cancelling visas. It's not like, I don't know, declaring that people born in the US are no longer citizens.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
18 members of Palestine Action including Sam Corner and BBC script writer William Plastow are charged with carrying out an armed attack on Israeli defence firm Elbit Systems UK in Patchway, Bristol. A female police officer was allegedly beaten with a sledge hammer in the attack.
Its one thing saying I am not sure they should be proscribed as a terrorist organisation. That is a tricky thing, as there are other groups who don't go blowing stuff up that are on that list as well. But there is an argument that says it might not be the right thing.
The Luuvies for Terrorists are throwing their lot in with not only a nasty bunch, trying to whitewash their actions, but look at some of the signatories, they have said really anti-Semitic stuff in the past. I wouldn't want to be associated with some of the people on that list.
It's why you want to be very careful when signing a list when you don't know who else might be on the list.
(Wasn't there a TV show or film or cartoon where the text of what was being signed was actually obscured, and people signed it anyway?)
Criminal investigation launched into Glastonbury sets
And I cannot listen to Kendall anymore
How has Labour fallen so far on compassion
They elected a right-wing lawyer with no core beliefs on how the world works or how to make it better, and who is reeling from reactionary position to reactionary position because he thinks it's electorally popular, whilst honestly following a "we must slavishly copy Reform now otherwise they will win in 2029" strategy because it is beloved by his friends and the right-wing press, even though it is horrific to the left-wing party he nominally leads, who are only now working out how much contempt he holds them in.
"Offer shopping vouchers to customers in return for being active and eating healthily, via a new app"
Hm. I realise I'm an outlier when it comes to loathing mobiles and not having a smartphone, but normalising the state monitoring your diet and exercise regimes is not something I like the sound of.
Isn't that little different from the Vitality Health app which gave discounts for doing monitored exercise
One is a private company, where you are making a trade - they track your exercise habits, and in return you pay lower premiums.
The other is the goverment. Now, I realise there are some people out there with greater trust in our "leaders" than me. But generally speaking, the government should know no more than the absolute minimum required for them to do their job.
That's great *in theory*. But the problem is that some private companies make money by selling your private data to other companies; to the extent it is no longer private.
Which is why it'll be a cold day in Hell before I willingly give my genetic data to any ancestry or similar site...
Have you read Michaeel Connelly's Fair Warning? It's a novel, but the stuff around what happens to your genetic data will chill your bones.
I haven't heard of it. But the *potential* for misuse is bad enough, and the track record of companies keeping data private is rather poor. Then there's the 23AndMe situation.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
"Offer shopping vouchers to customers in return for being active and eating healthily, via a new app"
Hm. I realise I'm an outlier when it comes to loathing mobiles and not having a smartphone, but normalising the state monitoring your diet and exercise regimes is not something I like the sound of.
Isn't that little different from the Vitality Health app which gave discounts for doing monitored exercise
One is a private company, where you are making a trade - they track your exercise habits, and in return you pay lower premiums.
The other is the goverment. Now, I realise there are some people out there with greater trust in our "leaders" than me. But generally speaking, the government should know no more than the absolute minimum required for them to do their job.
That's great *in theory*. But the problem is that some private companies make money by selling your private data to other companies; to the extent it is no longer private.
Which is why it'll be a cold day in Hell before I willingly give my genetic data to any ancestry or similar site...
Have you read Michaeel Connelly's Fair Warning? It's a novel, but the stuff around what happens to your genetic data will chill your bones.
I haven't heard of it. But the *potential* for misuse is bad enough, and the track record of companies keeping data private is rather poor. Then there's the 23AndMe situation.
Is the book good?
It's not his best, but it's a decent enough thriller. I suspect you'd enjoy it.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I can see that a lot of Mail commenters already want Farage to ban the Glastonbury Festival, looking at their website, which will go well with his free speech agenda.
Trump is now reportedly considering Lindsey Graham's 500% tariffs on those trading with Russia.
"Graham said there had been a "big breakthrough": while playing golf, President Trump had told him for the first time that "It’s time to move your bill."..."
Somebody just tell him it is the way to get that Nobel Peace Prize: supporting Ukraine.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
It's funny how the free speech zealots in America are cancelling or declining to issue so many visas over hurty words.
Writing as someone who watched precisely none of the Glastonbury coverage, I'd not miss it if it were gone but am puzzled why the BBC did not simply put a short delay on the feed.
What happened to the other lot? Kneecap, was it? Did they go ahead? Were they miffed at being upstaged by these newcomers?
DJL's 17th law of life. If you set out to be offensive, be aware that you might succeed.
I have no support for the current authoritarian kleptocracy in the USA at all; but as a supporter of free speech (as I can best understand it - see PB debates passim) I don't think there is any relationship between the idea of the right to free speech (excellent) and the idea of the right to free speech without personal consequences (entirely meaningless).
You have a right to free speech; I have a right to act in response to what it is you say. And vice versa.
Tolerance of free speech is not remotely the same as respect for opinions uttered.
Yes, but is it constitutional for the US executive to cancel visas on the basis of political expression which is perfectly legal - and constitutionally protected - in the US ?
I think they will make the case that all visas are issued solely at the discretion of the executive. So, they can do this,
It is however staggeringly hypocritical to do this while threatening European officials over their insufficient commitment to free speech.
I genuinely dislike Sarah Vine, and there's quite a lot to dislike, but I think she deserved perhaps a bit better than this.
It has put me off buying Vine's book. I was hoping for an insiderish view of Cameron-era politics but it sounds like it is mainly her poor little rich girl biography.
I find it ironic that Bob Vylan, who seems to have an antipathy to Jews and White people should take his name from a white, Jewish musician (who won a Noble prize for literature).
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I can see that a lot of Mail commenters already want Farage to ban the Glastonbury Festival, looking at their website, which will go well with his free speech agenda.
Trumpsville, here we come.
They will no doubt see the lack of Festival in 2026 as a definite win for their campaigning...
So let me get this right...supermarkets get fined if people refuse to buy healthier food?
Hmm if I was a supermarket right now I would be putting in a weight monitor under the entrance mat if this comes in and refusing to let fatties in as they wont buy the healthy food
"Offer shopping vouchers to customers in return for being active and eating healthily, via a new app"
Hm. I realise I'm an outlier when it comes to loathing mobiles and not having a smartphone, but normalising the state monitoring your diet and exercise regimes is not something I like the sound of.
Isn't that little different from the Vitality Health app which gave discounts for doing monitored exercise
One is a private company, where you are making a trade - they track your exercise habits, and in return you pay lower premiums.
The other is the goverment. Now, I realise there are some people out there with greater trust in our "leaders" than me. But generally speaking, the government should know no more than the absolute minimum required for them to do their job.
That's great *in theory*. But the problem is that some private companies make money by selling your private data to other companies; to the extent it is no longer private.
Which is why it'll be a cold day in Hell before I willingly give my genetic data to any ancestry or similar site...
Have you read Michaeel Connelly's Fair Warning? It's a novel, but the stuff around what happens to your genetic data will chill your bones.
I haven't heard of it. But the *potential* for misuse is bad enough, and the track record of companies keeping data private is rather poor. Then there's the 23AndMe situation.
Is the book good?
23AndMe was a Sergey Brin wife's thing i.e. I would never send my DNA in but I think probably more likely to be reputable. Isn't there another DNA testing company who undercut the market but then just disappeared overnight. What happened to all the DNA samples nobody knows.
Criminal investigation launched into Glastonbury sets
If you can't get done for calling for killing your local Tory MP, this won't go anywhere. Nor should it as it just gives them more publicity. Nasty piece of work, crap music, let him disappear back into obscurity and going on antisemitic rants about leading music promoters probably will make it a tad tricky to get booked going forward.
Careful now. We can't go around implying Jews control the music industry.
"Offer shopping vouchers to customers in return for being active and eating healthily, via a new app"
Hm. I realise I'm an outlier when it comes to loathing mobiles and not having a smartphone, but normalising the state monitoring your diet and exercise regimes is not something I like the sound of.
Isn't that little different from the Vitality Health app which gave discounts for doing monitored exercise
One is a private company, where you are making a trade - they track your exercise habits, and in return you pay lower premiums.
The other is the goverment. Now, I realise there are some people out there with greater trust in our "leaders" than me. But generally speaking, the government should know no more than the absolute minimum required for them to do their job.
That's great *in theory*. But the problem is that some private companies make money by selling your private data to other companies; to the extent it is no longer private.
Which is why it'll be a cold day in Hell before I willingly give my genetic data to any ancestry or similar site...
Have you read Michaeel Connelly's Fair Warning? It's a novel, but the stuff around what happens to your genetic data will chill your bones.
I haven't heard of it. But the *potential* for misuse is bad enough, and the track record of companies keeping data private is rather poor. Then there's the 23AndMe situation.
Is the book good?
23AndMe was a Sergey Brin wife's thing i.e. I would never send my DNA in but I think probably more likely to be reputable. Isn't there another DNA testing company who undercut the market but then just disappeared overnight. What happened to all the DNA samples nobody knows.
Collecting DNA can only ever be a Bond villain type activity.
Criminal investigation launched into Glastonbury sets
If you can't get done for calling for killing your local Tory MP, this won't go anywhere. Nor should it as it just gives them more publicity. Nasty piece of work, crap music, let him disappear back into obscurity and going on antisemitic rants about leading music promoters probably will make it a tad tricky to get booked going forward.
Careful now. We can't go around implying Jews control the music industry.
Not implying that all, saying he has just had a massive rant about one of the biggest names in the industry. Small world is things like music promoting and comedy. One company now basically operates all the bigger venues, the ticket selling, etc.
Trump is now reportedly considering Lindsey Graham's 500% tariffs on those trading with Russia.
"Graham said there had been a "big breakthrough": while playing golf, President Trump had told him for the first time that "It’s time to move your bill."..."
Somebody just tell him it is the way to get that Nobel Peace Prize: supporting Ukraine.
Take it there are no US companies doing so, 'under the counter', as it were.
"Offer shopping vouchers to customers in return for being active and eating healthily, via a new app"
Hm. I realise I'm an outlier when it comes to loathing mobiles and not having a smartphone, but normalising the state monitoring your diet and exercise regimes is not something I like the sound of.
Isn't that little different from the Vitality Health app which gave discounts for doing monitored exercise
One is a private company, where you are making a trade - they track your exercise habits, and in return you pay lower premiums.
The other is the goverment. Now, I realise there are some people out there with greater trust in our "leaders" than me. But generally speaking, the government should know no more than the absolute minimum required for them to do their job.
That's great *in theory*. But the problem is that some private companies make money by selling your private data to other companies; to the extent it is no longer private.
Which is why it'll be a cold day in Hell before I willingly give my genetic data to any ancestry or similar site...
Have you read Michaeel Connelly's Fair Warning? It's a novel, but the stuff around what happens to your genetic data will chill your bones.
I haven't heard of it. But the *potential* for misuse is bad enough, and the track record of companies keeping data private is rather poor. Then there's the 23AndMe situation.
Is the book good?
23AndMe was a Sergey Brin wife's thing i.e. I would never send my DNA in but I think probably more likely to be reputable. Isn't there another DNA testing company who undercut the market but then just disappeared overnight. What happened to all the DNA samples nobody knows.
Collecting DNA can only ever be a Bond villain type activity.
So let me get this right...supermarkets get fined if people refuse to buy healthier food?
Hmm if I was a supermarket right now I would be putting in a weight monitor under the entrance mat if this comes in and refusing to let fatties in as they wont buy the healthy food
What they need is what they have in lots of newer Tescos, the trolley escalator, it weights you, too heavy, trapdoor, and you are sent back down to the ground floor via a slide.
I must be doubtful whether any of this markedly tentative story will stand up. too many 'coulds' at the important points. If it does it will be a sign that even though the other parties are totally useless Labour is just as bad.
We already have plenty of evidence that labour are just as bad
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I think you have mistaken me for someone with a gram of sympathy for your anti woke ally Starmer.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
It's funny how the free speech zealots in America are cancelling or declining to issue so many visas over hurty words.
Writing as someone who watched precisely none of the Glastonbury coverage, I'd not miss it if it were gone but am puzzled why the BBC did not simply put a short delay on the feed.
What happened to the other lot? Kneecap, was it? Did they go ahead? Were they miffed at being upstaged by these newcomers?
DJL's 17th law of life. If you set out to be offensive, be aware that you might succeed.
I have no support for the current authoritarian kleptocracy in the USA at all; but as a supporter of free speech (as I can best understand it - see PB debates passim) I don't think there is any relationship between the idea of the right to free speech (excellent) and the idea of the right to free speech without personal consequences (entirely meaningless).
You have a right to free speech; I have a right to act in response to what it is you say. And vice versa.
Tolerance of free speech is not remotely the same as respect for opinions uttered.
Yes, but is it constitutional for the US executive to cancel visas on the basis of political expression which is perfectly legal - and constitutionally protected - in the US ?
Don't know. I shall leave that in the safe hands of USA lawyers. My point is unrelated to the state of USA law. No-one can expect free speech (however conceived) to be the same as 'free speech without the chance of consequences'.
At the lowest most personal level, X is entitled to free speech. Y is entitled in consequence to hate and despise X, tell him so, and to ensure X is not helped in any way by Y, and hindered if possible.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I can see that a lot of Mail commenters already want Farage to ban the Glastonbury Festival, looking at their website, which will go well with his free speech agenda.
Trumpsville, here we come.
Always intrigues me why Labour supporters even bother reading the mail and telegraph with their predictable content
My main source of news are Sky and the BBC and often the Guardian
Indeed I do tend to link my comments to these broadcasters and frankly have little time for social media
As far as Glastonbury is concerned, both they and the BBC are inviting serious repercussions and Lisa Nandy with the conservative spokesperson were wholly on the same page in the HOC just now in their condemnation of this weekends events
Criminal investigation launched into Glastonbury sets
If you can't get done for calling for killing your local Tory MP, this won't go anywhere. Nor should it as it just gives them more publicity. Nasty piece of work, crap music, let him disappear back into obscurity and going on antisemitic rants about leading music promoters probably will make it a tad tricky to get booked going forward.
Careful now. We can't go around implying Jews control the music industry.
Almost as bad as claims that the IDF represents all Jews.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
"Offer shopping vouchers to customers in return for being active and eating healthily, via a new app"
Hm. I realise I'm an outlier when it comes to loathing mobiles and not having a smartphone, but normalising the state monitoring your diet and exercise regimes is not something I like the sound of.
Isn't that little different from the Vitality Health app which gave discounts for doing monitored exercise
One is a private company, where you are making a trade - they track your exercise habits, and in return you pay lower premiums.
The other is the goverment. Now, I realise there are some people out there with greater trust in our "leaders" than me. But generally speaking, the government should know no more than the absolute minimum required for them to do their job.
That's great *in theory*. But the problem is that some private companies make money by selling your private data to other companies; to the extent it is no longer private.
Which is why it'll be a cold day in Hell before I willingly give my genetic data to any ancestry or similar site...
Have you read Michaeel Connelly's Fair Warning? It's a novel, but the stuff around what happens to your genetic data will chill your bones.
I haven't heard of it. But the *potential* for misuse is bad enough, and the track record of companies keeping data private is rather poor. Then there's the 23AndMe situation.
Is the book good?
23AndMe was a Sergey Brin wife's thing i.e. I would never send my DNA in but I think probably more likely to be reputable. Isn't there another DNA testing company who undercut the market but then just disappeared overnight. What happened to all the DNA samples nobody knows.
Collecting DNA can only ever be a Bond villain type activity.
Or you're a porn star.
One of the two.
Just keep away from Ancestry, or similar Family History sites, then!
I've had mine 'investigated' and I think the background they've found is right. However, they're now going off into things like 'traits' about which I'm much more cautious.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
One can only hope 🙏
It will all be forgotten come 2 years time. There is too much money to be made.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I can see that a lot of Mail commenters already want Farage to ban the Glastonbury Festival, looking at their website, which will go well with his free speech agenda.
Trumpsville, here we come.
Always intrigues me why Labour supporters even bother reading the mail and telegraph with their predictable content
My main source of news are Sky and the BBC and often the Guardian
Indeed I do tend to link my comments to these broadcasters and frankly have little time for social media
As far as Glastonbury is concerned, both they and the BBC are inviting serious repercussions and Lisa Nandy with the conservative spokesperson were wholly on the same page in the HOC just now in their condemnation of this weekends events
It was a live broadcasting being watched by very few people.
Yes the BBC should have pulled it when it went pear shaped but probably didn’t have anyone with authority to do so. Hence it continued playing
Beyond that talking about that is better for this Government than talking about the disability benefit cuts so I’m surprised any politicians are talking about it - there is story with real impact they should be telling the press to focus on
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I can see that a lot of Mail commenters already want Farage to ban the Glastonbury Festival, looking at their website, which will go well with his free speech agenda.
Trumpsville, here we come.
Always intrigues me why Labour supporters even bother reading the mail and telegraph with their predictable content
My main source of news are Sky and the BBC and often the Guardian
Indeed I do tend to link my comments to these broadcasters and frankly have little time for social media
As far as Glastonbury is concerned, both they and the BBC are inviting serious repercussions and Lisa Nandy with the conservative spokesperson were wholly on the same page in the HOC just now in their condemnation of this weekends events
I'm waiting to hear what my (left-ish) granddaughter and her partner, who were there, thought of it. At some point I'll go down to the local pub and raise the subject, too.
"Offer shopping vouchers to customers in return for being active and eating healthily, via a new app"
Hm. I realise I'm an outlier when it comes to loathing mobiles and not having a smartphone, but normalising the state monitoring your diet and exercise regimes is not something I like the sound of.
Isn't that little different from the Vitality Health app which gave discounts for doing monitored exercise
One is a private company, where you are making a trade - they track your exercise habits, and in return you pay lower premiums.
The other is the goverment. Now, I realise there are some people out there with greater trust in our "leaders" than me. But generally speaking, the government should know no more than the absolute minimum required for them to do their job.
It's not clear from the article text whether this would be a government app or a supermarket app.
It doesnt actually matter which here is the real question
healthy product A is sold for 1£....if you have the app it costs you 80p
Now I someone is providing the extra 20p to the supermarket....expecting them to absorb the loss or are tax payers having to make up the loss
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I can see that a lot of Mail commenters already want Farage to ban the Glastonbury Festival, looking at their website, which will go well with his free speech agenda.
Trumpsville, here we come.
Always intrigues me why Labour supporters even bother reading the mail and telegraph with their predictable content
My main source of news are Sky and the BBC and often the Guardian
Indeed I do tend to link my comments to these broadcasters and frankly have little time for social media
As far as Glastonbury is concerned, both they and the BBC are inviting serious repercussions and Lisa Nandy with the conservative spokesperson were wholly on the same page in the HOC just now in their condemnation of this weekends events
It was a live broadcasting being watched by very few people.
Yes the BBC should have pulled it when it went pear shaped but probably didn’t have anyone with authority to do so. Hence it continued playing
Beyond that talking about that is better for this Government than talking about the disability benefit cuts so I’m surprised any politicians are talking about it - there is story with real impact they should be telling the press to focus on
Tomorrow Labour mps have a choice of voting to create a two tier benefit system, or voting it down
Those Labour mps voting for it will find some very hard hitting leaflets arriving in their constituencies all the way to GE 28/29
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I can see that a lot of Mail commenters already want Farage to ban the Glastonbury Festival, looking at their website, which will go well with his free speech agenda.
Trumpsville, here we come.
Always intrigues me why Labour supporters even bother reading the mail and telegraph with their predictable content
My main source of news are Sky and the BBC and often the Guardian
Indeed I do tend to link my comments to these broadcasters and frankly have little time for social media
As far as Glastonbury is concerned, both they and the BBC are inviting serious repercussions and Lisa Nandy with the conservative spokesperson were wholly on the same page in the HOC just now in their condemnation of this weekends events
It was a live broadcasting being watched by very few people.
Yes the BBC should have pulled it when it went pear shaped but probably didn’t have anyone with authority to do so. Hence it continued playing
Beyond that talking about that is better for this Government than talking about the disability benefit cuts so I’m surprised any politicians are talking about it - there is story with real impact they should be telling the press to focus on
Tomorrow Labour mps have a choice of voting to create a two tier benefit system, or voting it down
Those Labour mps voting for it will find some very hard hitting leaflets arriving in their constituencies all the way to GE 28/29
Any who signed the original amendment and wave this abomination of a non compromise through will be the most ruthlessly targetted for seat loss next time.
Labour needs to hold a leadership contest. Nothing is going to get done at this rate.
Would it make any difference though? a) who is there that is significantly better and b) in order to get things done you need to think about what you want to get done, and then spend a fair amount of time thinking about how that can be achieved and c) finally putting to together the legalisation / budget required. By the time they have done that we will be in electioneering home straight.
No, it would not make any difference. They would still have a massive majority and be totally hamstrung.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I can see that a lot of Mail commenters already want Farage to ban the Glastonbury Festival, looking at their website, which will go well with his free speech agenda.
Trumpsville, here we come.
Always intrigues me why Labour supporters even bother reading the mail and telegraph with their predictable content
My main source of news are Sky and the BBC and often the Guardian
Indeed I do tend to link my comments to these broadcasters and frankly have little time for social media
As far as Glastonbury is concerned, both they and the BBC are inviting serious repercussions and Lisa Nandy with the conservative spokesperson were wholly on the same page in the HOC just now in their condemnation of this weekends events
It was a live broadcasting being watched by very few people.
Yes the BBC should have pulled it when it went pear shaped but probably didn’t have anyone with authority to do so. Hence it continued playing
Beyond that talking about that is better for this Government than talking about the disability benefit cuts so I’m surprised any politicians are talking about it - there is story with real impact they should be telling the press to focus on
Tomorrow Labour mps have a choice of voting to create a two tier benefit system, or voting it down
Those Labour mps voting for it will find some very hard hitting leaflets arriving in their constituencies all the way to GE 28/29
Any who signed the original amendment and wave this abomination of a non compromise through will be the most ruthlessly targetted for seat loss next time.
18 members of Palestine Action including Sam Corner and BBC script writer William Plastow are charged with carrying out an armed attack on Israeli defence firm Elbit Systems UK in Patchway, Bristol. A female police officer was allegedly beaten with a sledge hammer in the attack.
Its one thing saying I am not sure they should be proscribed as a terrorist organisation. That is a tricky thing, as there are other groups who don't go blowing stuff up that are on that list as well. But there is an argument that says it might not be the right thing.
The Luuvies for Terrorists are throwing their lot in with not only a nasty bunch, trying to whitewash their actions, but look at some of the signatories, they have said really anti-Semitic stuff in the past. I wouldn't want to be associated with some of the people on that list.
It's why you want to be very careful when signing a list when you don't know who else might be on the list.
(Wasn't there a TV show or film or cartoon where the text of what was being signed was actually obscured, and people signed it anyway?)
Criminal investigation launched into Glastonbury sets
If you can't get done for calling for killing your local Tory MP, this won't go anywhere. Nor should it as it just gives them more publicity. Nasty piece of work, crap music, let him disappear back into obscurity and going on antisemitic rants about leading music promoters probably will make it a tad tricky to get booked going forward.
Careful now. We can't go around implying Jews control the music industry.
Almost as bad as claims that the IDF represents all Jews.
Indeed, one of the tragedies of the Middle East situation is the suspicion Bibi is dragging it out because half of Israel wants to see him in the dock.
So let me get this right...supermarkets get fined if people refuse to buy healthier food?
Hmm if I was a supermarket right now I would be putting in a weight monitor under the entrance mat if this comes in and refusing to let fatties in as they wont buy the healthy food
What they need is what they have in lots of newer Tescos, the trolley escalator, it weights you, too heavy, trapdoor, and you are sent back down to the ground floor via a slide.
Or the holiday planet from Hitch Hikers where any excess weight gain is surgically removed before departure.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I can see that a lot of Mail commenters already want Farage to ban the Glastonbury Festival, looking at their website, which will go well with his free speech agenda.
Trumpsville, here we come.
Always intrigues me why Labour supporters even bother reading the mail and telegraph with their predictable content
My main source of news are Sky and the BBC and often the Guardian
Indeed I do tend to link my comments to these broadcasters and frankly have little time for social media
As far as Glastonbury is concerned, both they and the BBC are inviting serious repercussions and Lisa Nandy with the conservative spokesperson were wholly on the same page in the HOC just now in their condemnation of this weekends events
It was a live broadcasting being watched by very few people.
Yes the BBC should have pulled it when it went pear shaped but probably didn’t have anyone with authority to do so. Hence it continued playing
Beyond that talking about that is better for this Government than talking about the disability benefit cuts so I’m surprised any politicians are talking about it - there is story with real impact they should be telling the press to focus on
Tomorrow Labour mps have a choice of voting to create a two tier benefit system, or voting it down
Those Labour mps voting for it will find some very hard hitting leaflets arriving in their constituencies all the way to GE 28/29
Any who signed the original amendment and wave this abomination of a non compromise through will be the most ruthlessly targetted for seat loss next time.
By? The Tories would have implemented such cuts.
Unless you're forecasting more LibDem gains.
But they didnt, Labour did, theyll vote against it. Part of the easy street of opposition.
Who by? By the people leading the campaign against the bill and generally people opposed to it. A variety of other parties will benefit from that, even the Lib Dems in the odd seat they face Labour
Criminal investigation launched into Glastonbury sets
And I cannot listen to Kendall anymore
How has Labour fallen so far on compassion
They elected a right-wing lawyer with no core beliefs on how the world works or how to make it better, and who is reeling from reactionary position to reactionary position because he thinks it's electorally popular, whilst honestly following a "we must slavishly copy Reform now otherwise they will win in 2029" strategy because it is beloved by his friends and the right-wing press, even though it is horrific to the left-wing party he nominally leads, who are only now working out how much contempt he holds them in.
Starmer isn’t right wing. Like Michael Portaloo, before him, he is cosplaying right wing. And like Portaloo, this manages to piss off everyone.
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Criminal investigation launched into Glastonbury sets
And I cannot listen to Kendall anymore
How has Labour fallen so far on compassion
They elected a right-wing lawyer with no core beliefs on how the world works or how to make it better, and who is reeling from reactionary position to reactionary position because he thinks it's electorally popular, whilst honestly following a "we must slavishly copy Reform now otherwise they will win in 2029" strategy because it is beloved by his friends and the right-wing press, even though it is horrific to the left-wing party he nominally leads, who are only now working out how much contempt he holds them in.
Starmer isn’t right wing. Like Michael Portaloo, before him, he is cosplaying right wing. And like Portaloo, this manages to piss off everyone.
"Offer shopping vouchers to customers in return for being active and eating healthily, via a new app"
Hm. I realise I'm an outlier when it comes to loathing mobiles and not having a smartphone, but normalising the state monitoring your diet and exercise regimes is not something I like the sound of.
Isn't that little different from the Vitality Health app which gave discounts for doing monitored exercise
One is a private company, where you are making a trade - they track your exercise habits, and in return you pay lower premiums.
The other is the goverment. Now, I realise there are some people out there with greater trust in our "leaders" than me. But generally speaking, the government should know no more than the absolute minimum required for them to do their job.
That's great *in theory*. But the problem is that some private companies make money by selling your private data to other companies; to the extent it is no longer private.
Which is why it'll be a cold day in Hell before I willingly give my genetic data to any ancestry or similar site...
Have you read Michaeel Connelly's Fair Warning? It's a novel, but the stuff around what happens to your genetic data will chill your bones.
I haven't heard of it. But the *potential* for misuse is bad enough, and the track record of companies keeping data private is rather poor. Then there's the 23AndMe situation.
Is the book good?
23AndMe was a Sergey Brin wife's thing i.e. I would never send my DNA in but I think probably more likely to be reputable. Isn't there another DNA testing company who undercut the market but then just disappeared overnight. What happened to all the DNA samples nobody knows.
23andme has had several occurrences of sharing data being exposed I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole
Glasto made an odd call in censoring Rod. He said something pro Ukraine then called for less violence in the world as he went into a cover of Love Train by the O'Jays. Got snipped for his trouble.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I can see that a lot of Mail commenters already want Farage to ban the Glastonbury Festival, looking at their website, which will go well with his free speech agenda.
Trumpsville, here we come.
Always intrigues me why Labour supporters even bother reading the mail and telegraph with their predictable content
My main source of news are Sky and the BBC and often the Guardian
Indeed I do tend to link my comments to these broadcasters and frankly have little time for social media
As far as Glastonbury is concerned, both they and the BBC are inviting serious repercussions and Lisa Nandy with the conservative spokesperson were wholly on the same page in the HOC just now in their condemnation of this weekends events
It was a live broadcasting being watched by very few people.
Yes the BBC should have pulled it when it went pear shaped but probably didn’t have anyone with authority to do so. Hence it continued playing
Beyond that talking about that is better for this Government than talking about the disability benefit cuts so I’m surprised any politicians are talking about it - there is story with real impact they should be telling the press to focus on
Tomorrow Labour mps have a choice of voting to create a two tier benefit system, or voting it down
Those Labour mps voting for it will find some very hard hitting leaflets arriving in their constituencies all the way to GE 28/29
Any who signed the original amendment and wave this abomination of a non compromise through will be the most ruthlessly targetted for seat loss next time.
You've been admirably consistent on this benefits issue, and have also declared a degree of self-interest. But I am curious. Do you agree with either, or both: a) the rapid growth in the number of people claiming PIP and other benefits is of concern, and b) the size of the welfare bill is becoming, or already is, unmanageable? And if you do agree with either of them, what's your solution? How would you reduce the number of claimants and/or the size of the bill, and get more people into work?
One more comment - be careful what you wish for. If you think Labour's proposals are wicked, I think you'll get a shock at the savagery of the welfare cuts that will come when a right-wing party takes over, whether it be Reform or the Tories.
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
So let me get this right...supermarkets get fined if people refuse to buy healthier food?
Hmm if I was a supermarket right now I would be putting in a weight monitor under the entrance mat if this comes in and refusing to let fatties in as they wont buy the healthy food
What they need is what they have in lots of newer Tescos, the trolley escalator, it weights you, too heavy, trapdoor, and you are sent back down to the ground floor via a slide.
Perhaps we should have government shops. They can name the chain "you fat bastard" people with a bmi too large can only buy food there and all shops have publiclly accessible cam network which allows you to make comments over the store speakers......I am sending that in to labour they will love the idea
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
These people weren't propagandists - it seems to me that there's too much of the propagandist about the Reform (And all the other Rewonks).
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
Because it's no business of governments, that's how. Similarly, I wouldn't want my government expressing a view on films, plays, art or any other cultural artefact that provokes 'outrage'. Leave it to the critics and the audiences.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
Perhaps in future less of my much resented licence fee will go towards Glastonbury jollies for BBC presenters.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
There must be some peril for the Tories's Tim Davie as DG. Hopefully the BBC Board can find a way to pin it on the leftie Lauren Laverne. That seems like a decent compromise.
Lineker has gone, so it can't be his fault. Can it?
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Just in case you were wondering whose side Trump is on.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
The bands and the broadcasters really have done silly things. I'm not really that much of a fan of the rules that tell us that they have probably crossed a legal line, but they're clearly doing so deliberately.
(The BBC really do need to get rid of their political activist faction)
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
Because it's no business of governments, that's how. Similarly, I wouldn't want my government expressing a view on films, plays, art or any other cultural artefact that provokes 'outrage'. Leave it to the critics and the audiences.
But uk governments of all colours have done exactly that for decades...is the difference now you agree with the views being expressed? I mean what is it exactly you thing the british board of film censors does for example?
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
The bands and the broadcasters really have done silly things. I'm not really that much of a fan of the rules that tell us that they have probably crossed a legal line, but they're clearly doing so deliberately.
(The BBC really do need to get rid of their political activist faction)
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I can see that a lot of Mail commenters already want Farage to ban the Glastonbury Festival, looking at their website, which will go well with his free speech agenda.
Trumpsville, here we come.
Always intrigues me why Labour supporters even bother reading the mail and telegraph with their predictable content
My main source of news are Sky and the BBC and often the Guardian
Indeed I do tend to link my comments to these broadcasters and frankly have little time for social media
As far as Glastonbury is concerned, both they and the BBC are inviting serious repercussions and Lisa Nandy with the conservative spokesperson were wholly on the same page in the HOC just now in their condemnation of this weekends events
It was a live broadcasting being watched by very few people.
Yes the BBC should have pulled it when it went pear shaped but probably didn’t have anyone with authority to do so. Hence it continued playing
Beyond that talking about that is better for this Government than talking about the disability benefit cuts so I’m surprised any politicians are talking about it - there is story with real impact they should be telling the press to focus on
Tomorrow Labour mps have a choice of voting to create a two tier benefit system, or voting it down
Those Labour mps voting for it will find some very hard hitting leaflets arriving in their constituencies all the way to GE 28/29
Any who signed the original amendment and wave this abomination of a non compromise through will be the most ruthlessly targetted for seat loss next time.
You've been admirably consistent on this benefits issue, and have also declared a degree of self-interest. But I am curious. Do you agree with either, or both: a) the rapid growth in the number of people claiming PIP and other benefits is of concern, and b) the size of the welfare bill is becoming, or already is, unmanageable? And if you do agree with either of them, what's your solution? How would you reduce the number of claimants and/or the size of the bill, and get more people into work?
One more comment - be careful what you wish for. If you think Labour's proposals are wicked, I think you'll get a shock at the savagery of the welfare cuts that will come when a right-wing party takes over, whether it be Reform or the Tories.
Oh i know whats coming later but thats tomorrows battle. The size and scope of the welfare bill is a concern for sure so in terms of where we go, man, its not a quick fix. Firstly we need to have proper mental health care within the NHS - no more 6 weeks of ticking boxes on some 'treatment' then sign you back to your GP merry go round. Actual tailored support thats ongoing and accessible and a distinction drawn between treatment of shorter term issues and long term/lifetime mental health issues. The job market needs encouraging to employ the disabled, incentives and such so there isnt the temptation to gloss over the worthy applicant who has specific needs for assistance or support. Workimg from home opportunities in some areas may assist here, but obviously not all cases. Maybe some capacity for partial wage payment by government to help 'take the chance'.... Probably PIP does need to be means tested like UC, at very least reduced for those of more means
Get the environment right and go from there. And no two teir (means aside)
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
Because it's no business of governments, that's how. Similarly, I wouldn't want my government expressing a view on films, plays, art or any other cultural artefact that provokes 'outrage'. Leave it to the critics and the audiences.
And the state censor. the BBFC.
Media has been censored for years. 4 original Star Trek episodes were banned. Scum was banned.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I can see that a lot of Mail commenters already want Farage to ban the Glastonbury Festival, looking at their website, which will go well with his free speech agenda.
Trumpsville, here we come.
Always intrigues me why Labour supporters even bother reading the mail and telegraph with their predictable content
My main source of news are Sky and the BBC and often the Guardian
Indeed I do tend to link my comments to these broadcasters and frankly have little time for social media
As far as Glastonbury is concerned, both they and the BBC are inviting serious repercussions and Lisa Nandy with the conservative spokesperson were wholly on the same page in the HOC just now in their condemnation of this weekends events
It was a live broadcasting being watched by very few people.
Yes the BBC should have pulled it when it went pear shaped but probably didn’t have anyone with authority to do so. Hence it continued playing
Beyond that talking about that is better for this Government than talking about the disability benefit cuts so I’m surprised any politicians are talking about it - there is story with real impact they should be telling the press to focus on
Tomorrow Labour mps have a choice of voting to create a two tier benefit system, or voting it down
Those Labour mps voting for it will find some very hard hitting leaflets arriving in their constituencies all the way to GE 28/29
Any who signed the original amendment and wave this abomination of a non compromise through will be the most ruthlessly targetted for seat loss next time.
You've been admirably consistent on this benefits issue, and have also declared a degree of self-interest. But I am curious. Do you agree with either, or both: a) the rapid growth in the number of people claiming PIP and other benefits is of concern, and b) the size of the welfare bill is becoming, or already is, unmanageable? And if you do agree with either of them, what's your solution? How would you reduce the number of claimants and/or the size of the bill, and get more people into work?
One more comment - be careful what you wish for. If you think Labour's proposals are wicked, I think you'll get a shock at the savagery of the welfare cuts that will come when a right-wing party takes over, whether it be Reform or the Tories.
Labour are a right wing party pretending to their supporters that they are left wing. In reality, they are the ultimate meh party, led by the ultimate meh leader.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I can see that a lot of Mail commenters already want Farage to ban the Glastonbury Festival, looking at their website, which will go well with his free speech agenda.
Trumpsville, here we come.
Always intrigues me why Labour supporters even bother reading the mail and telegraph with their predictable content
My main source of news are Sky and the BBC and often the Guardian
Indeed I do tend to link my comments to these broadcasters and frankly have little time for social media
As far as Glastonbury is concerned, both they and the BBC are inviting serious repercussions and Lisa Nandy with the conservative spokesperson were wholly on the same page in the HOC just now in their condemnation of this weekends events
It was a live broadcasting being watched by very few people.
Yes the BBC should have pulled it when it went pear shaped but probably didn’t have anyone with authority to do so. Hence it continued playing
Beyond that talking about that is better for this Government than talking about the disability benefit cuts so I’m surprised any politicians are talking about it - there is story with real impact they should be telling the press to focus on
Tomorrow Labour mps have a choice of voting to create a two tier benefit system, or voting it down
Those Labour mps voting for it will find some very hard hitting leaflets arriving in their constituencies all the way to GE 28/29
Any who signed the original amendment and wave this abomination of a non compromise through will be the most ruthlessly targetted for seat loss next time.
You've been admirably consistent on this benefits issue, and have also declared a degree of self-interest. But I am curious. Do you agree with either, or both: a) the rapid growth in the number of people claiming PIP and other benefits is of concern, and b) the size of the welfare bill is becoming, or already is, unmanageable? And if you do agree with either of them, what's your solution? How would you reduce the number of claimants and/or the size of the bill, and get more people into work?
One more comment - be careful what you wish for. If you think Labour's proposals are wicked, I think you'll get a shock at the savagery of the welfare cuts that will come when a right-wing party takes over, whether it be Reform or the Tories.
Oh i know whats coming later but thats tomorrows battle. The size and scope of the welfare bill is a concern for sure so in terms of where we go, man, its not a quick fix. Firstly we need to have proper mental health care within the NHS - no more 6 weeks of ticking boxes on some 'treatment' then sign you back to your GP merry go round. Actual tailored support thats ongoing and accessible and a distinction drawn between treatment of shorter term issues and long term/lifetime mental health issues. The job market needs encouraging to employ the disabled, incentives and such so there isnt the temptation to gloss over the worthy applicant who has specific needs for assistance or support. Workimg from home opportunities in some areas may assist here, but obviously not all cases. Maybe some capacity for partial wage payment by government to help 'take the chance'.... Probably PIP does need to be means tested like UC, at very least reduced for those of more means
Get the environment right and go from there. And no two teir (means aside)
Fair enough - I don't disagree with much of that. Even the typos (in the original!) are agreeable.
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
I met Bill Rogers many years later, and he was an absolutely lovely guy.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I can see that a lot of Mail commenters already want Farage to ban the Glastonbury Festival, looking at their website, which will go well with his free speech agenda.
Trumpsville, here we come.
Always intrigues me why Labour supporters even bother reading the mail and telegraph with their predictable content
My main source of news are Sky and the BBC and often the Guardian
Indeed I do tend to link my comments to these broadcasters and frankly have little time for social media
As far as Glastonbury is concerned, both they and the BBC are inviting serious repercussions and Lisa Nandy with the conservative spokesperson were wholly on the same page in the HOC just now in their condemnation of this weekends events
It was a live broadcasting being watched by very few people.
Yes the BBC should have pulled it when it went pear shaped but probably didn’t have anyone with authority to do so. Hence it continued playing
Beyond that talking about that is better for this Government than talking about the disability benefit cuts so I’m surprised any politicians are talking about it - there is story with real impact they should be telling the press to focus on
Tomorrow Labour mps have a choice of voting to create a two tier benefit system, or voting it down
Those Labour mps voting for it will find some very hard hitting leaflets arriving in their constituencies all the way to GE 28/29
Any who signed the original amendment and wave this abomination of a non compromise through will be the most ruthlessly targetted for seat loss next time.
You've been admirably consistent on this benefits issue, and have also declared a degree of self-interest. But I am curious. Do you agree with either, or both: a) the rapid growth in the number of people claiming PIP and other benefits is of concern, and b) the size of the welfare bill is becoming, or already is, unmanageable? And if you do agree with either of them, what's your solution? How would you reduce the number of claimants and/or the size of the bill, and get more people into work?
One more comment - be careful what you wish for. If you think Labour's proposals are wicked, I think you'll get a shock at the savagery of the welfare cuts that will come when a right-wing party takes over, whether it be Reform or the Tories.
Oh i know whats coming later but thats tomorrows battle. The size and scope of the welfare bill is a concern for sure so in terms of where we go, man, its not a quick fix. Firstly we need to have proper mental health care within the NHS - no more 6 weeks of ticking boxes on some 'treatment' then sign you back to your GP merry go round. Actual tailored support thats ongoing and accessible and a distinction drawn between treatment of shorter term issues and long term/lifetime mental health issues. The job market needs encouraging to employ the disabled, incentives and such so there isnt the temptation to gloss over the worthy applicant who has specific needs for assistance or support. Workimg from home opportunities in some areas may assist here, but obviously not all cases. Maybe some capacity for partial wage payment by government to help 'take the chance'.... Probably PIP does need to be means tested like UC, at very least reduced for those of more means
Get the environment right and go from there. And no two teir (means aside)
Fair enough - I don't disagree with much of that. Even the typos (in the original!) are agreeable.
Sorry, i have a bit of a dexterity issue with my fingers and type on a tablet. I go back and correct with my s pen so give it 2 mins and its usually fixed
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
The bands and the broadcasters really have done silly things. I'm not really that much of a fan of the rules that tell us that they have probably crossed a legal line, but they're clearly doing so deliberately.
(The BBC really do need to get rid of their political activist faction)
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
Because it's no business of governments, that's how. Similarly, I wouldn't want my government expressing a view on films, plays, art or any other cultural artefact that provokes 'outrage'. Leave it to the critics and the audiences.
But uk governments of all colours have done exactly that for decades...is the difference now you agree with the views being expressed? I mean what is it exactly you thing the british board of film censors does for example?
Yes, exactly - government delegates its function to the British Board of Film Censors, run by 'experts'. Politicians should stay away.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I can see that a lot of Mail commenters already want Farage to ban the Glastonbury Festival, looking at their website, which will go well with his free speech agenda.
Trumpsville, here we come.
Always intrigues me why Labour supporters even bother reading the mail and telegraph with their predictable content
My main source of news are Sky and the BBC and often the Guardian
Indeed I do tend to link my comments to these broadcasters and frankly have little time for social media
As far as Glastonbury is concerned, both they and the BBC are inviting serious repercussions and Lisa Nandy with the conservative spokesperson were wholly on the same page in the HOC just now in their condemnation of this weekends events
It was a live broadcasting being watched by very few people.
Yes the BBC should have pulled it when it went pear shaped but probably didn’t have anyone with authority to do so. Hence it continued playing
Beyond that talking about that is better for this Government than talking about the disability benefit cuts so I’m surprised any politicians are talking about it - there is story with real impact they should be telling the press to focus on
Tomorrow Labour mps have a choice of voting to create a two tier benefit system, or voting it down
Those Labour mps voting for it will find some very hard hitting leaflets arriving in their constituencies all the way to GE 28/29
Any who signed the original amendment and wave this abomination of a non compromise through will be the most ruthlessly targetted for seat loss next time.
You've been admirably consistent on this benefits issue, and have also declared a degree of self-interest. But I am curious. Do you agree with either, or both: a) the rapid growth in the number of people claiming PIP and other benefits is of concern, and b) the size of the welfare bill is becoming, or already is, unmanageable? And if you do agree with either of them, what's your solution? How would you reduce the number of claimants and/or the size of the bill, and get more people into work?
One more comment - be careful what you wish for. If you think Labour's proposals are wicked, I think you'll get a shock at the savagery of the welfare cuts that will come when a right-wing party takes over, whether it be Reform or the Tories.
The most essential ingredient is a system that is fair and does not create a two tier benefit
Kendall, as is the way with labour, tossed 14 years back at the conservatives but we all know the crisis has accelerated following lockdown and covid
She responded to a sensible question from the conservatives that all interviews should be face to face, by responding 'you cancelled them'
And yes they did, they were 'not allowed under covid rules' which at the same time introduced WFH to the point that civil servants continue to phone assess claimants when they should be recalled to their office for face to face interviews
I maintain nobody should be disadvataged by disability, but also the wealthy should not have free heath care and handed the state pension
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
Because it's no business of governments, that's how. Similarly, I wouldn't want my government expressing a view on films, plays, art or any other cultural artefact that provokes 'outrage'. Leave it to the critics and the audiences.
But uk governments of all colours have done exactly that for decades...is the difference now you agree with the views being expressed? I mean what is it exactly you thing the british board of film censors does for example?
Yes, exactly - government delegates its function to the British Board of Film Censors, run by 'experts'. Politicians should stay away.
Oh so its not government censorship because they gave the power to a quango instead? Really you expect people to swallow that they aren't towing the government line? You may believe it the rest of us aren't that naive
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
There must be some peril for the Tories's Tim Davie as DG. Hopefully the BBC Board can find a way to pin it on the leftie Lauren Laverne. That seems like a decent compromise.
Lineker has gone, so it can't be his fault. Can it?
Tim Davie has the responsibilty, and your attempt to think this is a conservative problem is hilarious
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
Because it's no business of governments, that's how. Similarly, I wouldn't want my government expressing a view on films, plays, art or any other cultural artefact that provokes 'outrage'. Leave it to the critics and the audiences.
Politics doesn't work that way
You seem to want to wish it away and, frankly, I think the government have handled it well and properly
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
Perhaps in future less of my much resented licence fee will go towards Glastonbury jollies for BBC presenters.
If enough people watch Glastonbury why shouldn't the BBC cover it, notwithstanding Bob Vylan (whoever they might be).
My big beef with the BBC is as some third rate reporter gets bumped up to lunchtime news presenter their salary rises to £250,000.
Mind you the BBC does have an effective salary structure for minions. A bit over minimum wage and contract renewal with a few weeks break every six months to unhitch any continuity benefits.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
There must be some peril for the Tories's Tim Davie as DG. Hopefully the BBC Board can find a way to pin it on the leftie Lauren Laverne. That seems like a decent compromise.
Lineker has gone, so it can't be his fault. Can it?
Tim Davie has the responsibilty, and your attempt to think this is a conservative problem is hilarious
The BBC should be far, far more politcally dull. (And I extend that to their overseas coverage too - The BBC World Service should be far less political for example)
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
Because it's no business of governments, that's how. Similarly, I wouldn't want my government expressing a view on films, plays, art or any other cultural artefact that provokes 'outrage'. Leave it to the critics and the audiences.
Politics doesn't work that way
You seem to want to wish it away and, frankly, I think the government have handled it well and properly
Definition of a quango
A group of incompetents recruited to a body to form a cutout, they understand that in return for 6 figure salaries for doing nothing much they will be willing sacrifices for carrying out government policies that the government doesn't want coming back on them and in due time when any furore has dissipated they will either get a hol appointment or another quango seat
Criminal investigation launched into Glastonbury sets
If you can't get done for calling for killing your local Tory MP, this won't go anywhere. Nor should it as it just gives them more publicity. Nasty piece of work, crap music, let him disappear back into obscurity and going on antisemitic rants about leading music promoters probably will make it a tad tricky to get booked going forward.
Careful now. We can't go around implying Jews control the music industry.
Almost as bad as claims that the IDF represents all Jews.
Indeed, one of the tragedies of the Middle East situation is the suspicion Bibi is dragging it out because half of Israel wants to see him in the dock.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
Because it's no business of governments, that's how. Similarly, I wouldn't want my government expressing a view on films, plays, art or any other cultural artefact that provokes 'outrage'. Leave it to the critics and the audiences.
Politics doesn't work that way
You seem to want to wish it away and, frankly, I think the government have handled it well and properly
I'm not wishing it away. I don't care about Glastonbury, or what went on there. I genuinely believe that governments, of any stripe, have much more important and pressing matters than a few inane chants at a music festival.
Starmer, rightly in my view, accuses Badenoch of being 'unserious'. I would argue that Starmer himself is being 'unserious' in getting embroiled in a trivial Glastonbury controversy.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
Perhaps in future less of my much resented licence fee will go towards Glastonbury jollies for BBC presenters.
If enough people watch Glastonbury why shouldn't the BBC cover it, notwithstanding Bob Vylan (whoever they might be).
My big beef with the BBC is as some third rate reporter gets bumped up to lunchtime news presenter their salary rises to £250,000.
Mind you the BBC does have an effective salary structure for minions. A bit over minimum wage and contract renewal with a few weeks break every six months to unhitch any continuity benefits.
Is anyone saying they shouldn't cover it? Or are people just questioning why they feel they need so many to cover it....surely a reporter a cameraman and a sound person should suffice for the entire festival....not a couple of hundred
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
I met Bill Rogers many years later, and he was an absolutely lovely guy.
Yes, I met him too, at Halifax if I remember rightly. He was very pleasant but lacked any of the intellectual heft of the others.
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
I met Bill Rogers many years later, and he was an absolutely lovely guy.
Yes, I met him too, at Halifax if I remember rightly. He was very pleasant but lacked any of the intellectual heft of the others.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
Perhaps in future less of my much resented licence fee will go towards Glastonbury jollies for BBC presenters.
If enough people watch Glastonbury why shouldn't the BBC cover it, notwithstanding Bob Vylan (whoever they might be).
My big beef with the BBC is as some third rate reporter gets bumped up to lunchtime news presenter their salary rises to £250,000.
Mind you the BBC does have an effective salary structure for minions. A bit over minimum wage and contract renewal with a few weeks break every six months to unhitch any continuity benefits.
Is anyone saying they shouldn't cover it? Or are people just questioning why they feel they need so many to cover it....surely a reporter a cameraman and a sound person should suffice for the entire festival....not a couple of hundred
The BBC was not covering Glastonbury as a news item, it was broadcasting it. Of course that needed lots of people.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
Because it's no business of governments, that's how. Similarly, I wouldn't want my government expressing a view on films, plays, art or any other cultural artefact that provokes 'outrage'. Leave it to the critics and the audiences.
Politics doesn't work that way
You seem to want to wish it away and, frankly, I think the government have handled it well and properly
I'm not wishing it away. I don't care about Glastonbury, or what went on there. I genuinely believe that governments, of any stripe, have much more important and pressing matters than a few inane chants at a music festival.
Starmer, rightly in my view, accuses Badenoch of being 'unserious'. I would argue that Starmer himself is being 'unserious' in getting embroiled in a trivial Glastonbury controversy.
Trivial ?
Not sure the organistions in this piece would describe it as that
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
Perhaps in future less of my much resented licence fee will go towards Glastonbury jollies for BBC presenters.
If enough people watch Glastonbury why shouldn't the BBC cover it, notwithstanding Bob Vylan (whoever they might be).
My big beef with the BBC is as some third rate reporter gets bumped up to lunchtime news presenter their salary rises to £250,000.
Mind you the BBC does have an effective salary structure for minions. A bit over minimum wage and contract renewal with a few weeks break every six months to unhitch any continuity benefits.
Is anyone saying they shouldn't cover it? Or are people just questioning why they feel they need so many to cover it....surely a reporter a cameraman and a sound person should suffice for the entire festival....not a couple of hundred
The BBC was not covering Glastonbury as a news item, it was broadcasting it. Of course that needed lots of people.
They needed reportedly 0.2% of the audience to be bbc employees to broadcast it...sorry even if broadcasting I don't see you need 400 staff there
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
I was an enthusiastic Liberal activist when the SDP was born. It was my experience in my area the new SDP members were from two different points of origin. One were ex-Labour, whether supporters of Jenkins, Owen, Rogers or Williams who had never disliked the Liberals or given us much thought. The other group were new to politics - usually ex-Conservative voters who liked Heath and loathed Thatcher.
I've often argued those who would have happily supported the SDP in January and February 1982 ran back to the Conservatives when the Falklands Conflict started. The Falklands saved Labour by ensuring Foot would remain LOTO no matter how severe the defeat inflicted by Thatcher which itself ensured when the pendulum swung back a decade later, it would be Labour which would be the credible alternative Government.
Kemi Badenoch doesn't have that advantage - the "credible alternative Government" looks like Nigel Farage and Reform even though the Parliamentary arithemtic currnetly states otherwise. The polls are giving Farage the keys to No.10 much as they once did Roy Jenkins but that's only now and whether we like it or not, we are still a long way from an election.
I am not sure the how could BBC know about Bob. They had a meeting and decided Kneecap were going to be too spicy, you might think they would also say is there anybody else on that we need to be really careful about. How about the bloke on before them....
Now if Rod Stewart had led a chant or gone an antisemitic rant, then I think yes that would have been a bit of a shock. Bob Vylan has been doing this ranting for years, has a record of causing trouble and specifically on Israel he has been all over Europe doing it. The Youtubers TPDTV were at PinkPop last week and he was doing the same shit and they were of FFS he is off again.
Glasto made an odd call in censoring Rod. He said something pro Ukraine then called for less violence in the world as he went into a cover of Love Train by the O'Jays. Got snipped for his trouble.
Pity they didn't censor his singing... This outburst of free speech by feckless youths appears to given conniptions to the very people who are adamant this apathetic younger generation want to close down alternative opinions. Well I never.
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‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OS9C1YMN19o
Is the book good?
Trumpsville, here we come.
"Graham said there had been a "big breakthrough": while playing golf, President Trump had told him for the first time that "It’s time to move your bill."..."
Somebody just tell him it is the way to get that Nobel Peace Prize: supporting Ukraine.
Hmm if I was a supermarket right now I would be putting in a weight monitor under the entrance mat if this comes in and refusing to let fatties in as they wont buy the healthy food
One of the two.
At the lowest most personal level, X is entitled to free speech. Y is entitled in consequence to hate and despise X, tell him so, and to ensure X is not helped in any way by Y, and hindered if possible.
My main source of news are Sky and the BBC and often the Guardian
Indeed I do tend to link my comments to these broadcasters and frankly have little time for social media
As far as Glastonbury is concerned, both they and the BBC are inviting serious repercussions and Lisa Nandy with the conservative spokesperson were wholly on the same page in the HOC just now in their condemnation of this weekends events
Stealing $21 Million with $Melania
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=619oKirSiCM
I've had mine 'investigated' and I think the background they've found is right. However, they're now going off into things like 'traits' about which I'm much more cautious.
Yes the BBC should have pulled it when it went pear shaped but probably didn’t have anyone with authority to do so. Hence it continued playing
Beyond that talking about that is better for this Government than talking about the disability benefit cuts so I’m surprised any politicians are talking about it - there is story with real impact they should be telling the press to focus on
At some point I'll go down to the local pub and raise the subject, too.
Both reliable sources of opinion.
healthy product A is sold for 1£....if you have the app it costs you 80p
Now I someone is providing the extra 20p to the supermarket....expecting them to absorb the loss or are tax payers having to make up the loss
Those Labour mps voting for it will find some very hard hitting leaflets arriving in their constituencies all the way to GE 28/29
Best ignored.
Unless you're forecasting more LibDem gains.
The story about playing for Clough’s sons Sunday League team is just ace.
Who by? By the people leading the campaign against the bill and generally people opposed to it. A variety of other parties will benefit from that, even the Lib Dems in the odd seat they face Labour
It’s the fakeness….
https://x.com/InsiderGeo/status/1939592422037545471
One more comment - be careful what you wish for. If you think Labour's proposals are wicked, I think you'll get a shock at the savagery of the welfare cuts that will come when a right-wing party takes over, whether it be Reform or the Tories.
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
Lineker has gone, so it can't be his fault. Can it?
They could start with the Isle of Wight, and then make a bid for Shetland. Forget the IoM, and all the other dodgy tax havens.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14860339/Gambling-addict-stole-whopping-1-7million-company-financial-controller-locked-four-years.html
Gambling.
And drugs, luxury holidays and gifts for his lover.
But gambling.
(The BBC really do need to get rid of their political activist faction)
The size and scope of the welfare bill is a concern for sure so in terms of where we go, man, its not a quick fix.
Firstly we need to have proper mental health care within the NHS - no more 6 weeks of ticking boxes on some 'treatment' then sign you back to your GP merry go round. Actual tailored support thats ongoing and accessible and a distinction drawn between treatment of shorter term issues and long term/lifetime mental health issues.
The job market needs encouraging to employ the disabled, incentives and such so there isnt the temptation to gloss over the worthy applicant who has specific needs for assistance or support. Workimg from home opportunities in some areas may assist here, but obviously not all cases. Maybe some capacity for partial wage payment by government to help 'take the chance'....
Probably PIP does need to be means tested like UC, at very least reduced for those of more means
Get the environment right and go from there. And no two teir (means aside)
Media has been censored for years. 4 original Star Trek episodes were banned. Scum was banned.
It’s always happened and always will.
Even the typos (in the original!) are agreeable.
Kendall, as is the way with labour, tossed 14 years back at the conservatives but we all know the crisis has accelerated following lockdown and covid
She responded to a sensible question from the conservatives that all interviews should be face to face, by responding 'you cancelled them'
And yes they did, they were 'not allowed under covid rules' which at the same time introduced WFH to the point that civil servants continue to phone assess claimants when they should be recalled to their office for face to face interviews
I maintain nobody should be disadvataged by disability, but also the wealthy should not have free heath care and handed the state pension
You seem to want to wish it away and, frankly, I think the government have handled it well and properly
My big beef with the BBC is as some third rate reporter gets bumped up to lunchtime news presenter their salary rises to £250,000.
Mind you the BBC does have an effective salary structure for minions. A bit over minimum wage and contract renewal with a few weeks break every six months to unhitch any continuity benefits.
A group of incompetents recruited to a body to form a cutout, they understand that in return for 6 figure salaries for doing nothing much they will be willing sacrifices for carrying out government policies that the government doesn't want coming back on them and in due time when any furore has dissipated they will either get a hol appointment or another quango seat
Starmer, rightly in my view, accuses Badenoch of being 'unserious'. I would argue that Starmer himself is being 'unserious' in getting embroiled in a trivial Glastonbury controversy.
Predicted high of 17 tomorrow.
Not sure the organistions in this piece would describe it as that
https://news.sky.com/story/criminal-investigation-launched-into-glastonbury-performances-of-kneecap-and-bob-vylan-13389603
I've often argued those who would have happily supported the SDP in January and February 1982 ran back to the Conservatives when the Falklands Conflict started. The Falklands saved Labour by ensuring Foot would remain LOTO no matter how severe the defeat inflicted by Thatcher which itself ensured when the pendulum swung back a decade later, it would be Labour which would be the credible alternative Government.
Kemi Badenoch doesn't have that advantage - the "credible alternative Government" looks like Nigel Farage and Reform even though the Parliamentary arithemtic currnetly states otherwise. The polls are giving Farage the keys to No.10 much as they once did Roy Jenkins but that's only now and whether we like it or not, we are still a long way from an election.
Now if Rod Stewart had led a chant or gone an antisemitic rant, then I think yes that would have been a bit of a shock. Bob Vylan has been doing this ranting for years, has a record of causing trouble and specifically on Israel he has been all over Europe doing it. The Youtubers TPDTV were at PinkPop last week and he was doing the same shit and they were of FFS he is off again.
This outburst of free speech by feckless youths appears to given conniptions to the very people who are adamant this apathetic younger generation want to close down alternative opinions.
Well I never.