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  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,887
    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/farages-reform-uk-party-responds-on-setting-up-in-ni-after-letter-sent-to-members/a616164142.html

    Reform UK are looking at organising in Northern Ireland, despite it's (somewhat on again, off again) cooperation agreement with TUV. (UKIP previously organised in NI and had 1 MLA after a defection from the UUP.)
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,262
    tlg86 said:
    Wasn't that the one with all the wickets on No Balls that weren't picked up by the umpire?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,760

    tlg86 said:
    Wasn't that the one with all the wickets on No Balls that weren't picked up by the umpire?
    And some dubious markings on one side of the ball...
  • Could Starmer fall in next two weeks? He says he's pressing on with PIP reform.

    I suggested this a while back and got a firm 'no'
    Its probably no now?
    If the voting is close it will depend on how the Tories play it. Iain Duncan Smith could have brought down Blair over Iraq, but didn't - cost my MP Tim Collins his seat.

    I imagine if there is any danger of the vote not passing Santa's little yellow helpers will make sure Starmer doesn't fall.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,444
    tlg86 said:
    David Shepherd missed about 600 no balls that day.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,957

    Could Starmer fall in next two weeks? He says he's pressing on with PIP reform.

    Honestly? No.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,617
    I blame Taz for my current anxiety.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,957

    Duckett out!

    "Duckett". A player. And an expletive. A handy economy of terms. :):):):)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,903

    Could Starmer fall in next two weeks? He says he's pressing on with PIP reform.

    I suggested this a while back and got a firm 'no'
    Its probably no now?
    If the voting is close it will depend on how the Tories play it. Iain Duncan Smith could have brought down Blair over Iraq, but didn't - cost my MP Tim Collins his seat.

    I imagine if there is any danger of the vote not passing Santa's little yellow helpers will make sure Starmer doesn't fall.
    LDs wont back it. They are very firmly against welfare cuts
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,262
    viewcode said:

    Could Starmer fall in next two weeks? He says he's pressing on with PIP reform.

    Honestly? No.
    Its the art of leadership. If he wants to push it through he needs to bring enough of his party with him. If that needs the whips to do their thing, if it needs promises for down the line, then so be it. You cannot just back down every time it gets tough.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,262
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:
    Wasn't that the one with all the wickets on No Balls that weren't picked up by the umpire?
    And some dubious markings on one side of the ball...
    Certainly a lot of reverse swing that day.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,760

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:
    Wasn't that the one with all the wickets on No Balls that weren't picked up by the umpire?
    And some dubious markings on one side of the ball...
    Certainly a lot of reverse swing that day.
    It was the new ball that did the trick. The ball to Thorpe swung in then moved away off the pitch. Whether it was achieved through dubious means, it was still brilliant from Waqar.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,048

    Could Starmer fall in next two weeks? He says he's pressing on with PIP reform.

    I suggested this a while back and got a firm 'no'
    Its probably no now?
    If the voting is close it will depend on how the Tories play it. Iain Duncan Smith could have brought down Blair over Iraq, but didn't - cost my MP Tim Collins his seat.

    I imagine if there is any danger of the vote not passing Santa's little yellow helpers will make sure Starmer doesn't fall.
    LDs wont back it. They are very firmly against welfare cuts
    Davey knows about the problems of the long-term sick from personal experience.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,903
    edited June 24

    Could Starmer fall in next two weeks? He says he's pressing on with PIP reform.

    More likely its the end of Kendall and maybe Reeves
    Loyalty to Starmerism only lasts as long as the pay cheques it turns out - Lou Haigh signed the amendment
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,262
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:
    Wasn't that the one with all the wickets on No Balls that weren't picked up by the umpire?
    And some dubious markings on one side of the ball...
    Certainly a lot of reverse swing that day.
    It was the new ball that did the trick. The ball to Thorpe swung in then moved away off the pitch. Whether it was achieved through dubious means, it was still brilliant from Waqar.
    Brilliant bowling from a brilliant bowler. But the no-balls shook my confidence in umpires that day (and I think led to Sheppard stepping down not long after).

    TBF to him, even umpiring in local cricket its tough to watch for the no-ball and then re-adjust to look down the pitch. The use of cameras now is so much better for the top level of the game.
  • AnneJGP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @JackElsom

    NEW: Tory shadow cabinet wrapped today with no consensus on how they should vote in the government's welfare package next week.

    Some wanted to support principle of cutting welfare, others wanted to oppose in hope Bill would fall.

    Badenoch agreed to take it all away and decide.

    They are waiting to see if Labour plough on and what will hurt them most
    Be interesting if their assessment of what would hurt Labour most would be Conservatives voting for the government in a vote of no confidence.
    If i were them i'd st least abstain on the amendment and stay the hell away from the blowback
    As I said in another comment, not bringing down Blair was IDS's biggest blunder. Vote against the government, Statesmanship can wait, the chance to topple the worst leader since 1685 won't.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,760
    It's about to chuck it down at Headingley.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,705
    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    I was interested to read an article about "Sick Societies" online, which cross-referenced Duddies Branch, with Tasmania, and Aztec Mexico, (a society you've also written about), as being societies which were all engaged in completely self-destructive behaviour.

    That’s the book I’m reading. Dry in places but wildly compelling in others

    I’ve long been interested in cultural/civilsational regression

    There’s a lovely example in tiny Kilfenora cathedral on the Burren in County Clare

    Outside the cathedral there are some 13th century gravestones with quite fine carving and stonework. Inside they have stuff from the 15th century and it’s like they got drunk children to do it. Way beyond “bad”. Laughably poor

    The Burren is isolated. Somehow in those 2 centuries the local Irish forgot how to carve and anyone who could do it moved away

    Trajan’s Column in Rome shows a similar decline in one single object
    There are societies which are politically self-destructive (much of 16th and 17th century Europe, the Eastern Empire in the 14th century), yet are still quite culturally outstanding. But, there's something that goes terribly wrong, with societies where people forget how to do even very basic things, or else their leaders engage in stupid behaviours (like mass human sacrifice), that make those elites hated, and undermine their ability to defend themselves.

    I expect post Roman Britain was one of those sick societies. I imagine it being rather like the world of Mad Max.
    I’ve also been reading about medieval England and the Vikings - to go with my trip to the Faroes

    Even in the 8-9th century the Norse AND Anglo Saxons were treading around the Roman ruins in awe, wondering who could possibly have erected these incredible structures. Gods or giants possibly

    Apparently it gave them all a sense of decline and inadequacy
    St Bede, 7th/8th century, knew quite well about the Romans in Britain and a fair bit about their history, decline and disappearance, and what replaced them.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,637
    tlg86 said:

    It's about to chuck it down at Headingley.

    And that's just the England batters.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,075

    Could Starmer fall in next two weeks? He says he's pressing on with PIP reform.

    I suggested this a while back and got a firm 'no'
    Its probably no now?
    If the voting is close it will depend on how the Tories play it. Iain Duncan Smith could have brought down Blair over Iraq, but didn't - cost my MP Tim Collins his seat.

    I imagine if there is any danger of the vote not passing Santa's little yellow helpers will make sure Starmer doesn't fall.
    LDs wont back it. They are very firmly against welfare cuts
    Davey knows about the problems of the long-term sick from personal experience.
    Being a life-long LibDem equates to a long-term sickness?

    (Yes, I know the serious message in your post.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,617
    Interesting interview with the guy running against Cuomo for the Democratic nomination in NY.

    He's a 'democratic socialist', whatever that means in US terms, but seems to have become a bit more of a pragmatist recently. He's certainly an excellent campaigner.

    Given the reception to yesterday's podcast and post, I’m publishing the transcript of my 37-minute weekend conversation with Zohran Mamdani.

    What I liked: He’s a charismatic person who handles criticism well and insists that, in his words, “I care most about outcomes,” not ideology—which demonstrates, if nothing else, exquisitely well-targeted political rhetoric.

    What I didn’t quite like: Mamdani’s views on housing and policing have moderated in the last few years, but I think his policy instinct to solve every problem with costly state price regulation (rent freezes, $60 million public grocery stores) is a bad fit for a high-tax city that already spends more per capita than anywhere else in America

    What I don’t know: Is he a good executive? Can he manage people and systems? Will he surround himself with smart ppl who check his worst instincts (every problem —> price regulation, costly new state initiative) and feed his best ones (charisma, curiosity, commitment to public excellence)?

    https://x.com/DKThomp/status/1937483677379838064

    Given Cuomo's past scandals and general dislikeability, he's got a 50/50 chance of winning.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,048
    tlg86 said:

    It's about to chuck it down at Headingley.

    I rather wish it would at Chelmsford. Essex are NOT having a good season.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,617
    tlg86 said:

    It's about to chuck it down at Headingley.

    Early tea, so it might not cost too much time.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,048

    Could Starmer fall in next two weeks? He says he's pressing on with PIP reform.

    I suggested this a while back and got a firm 'no'
    Its probably no now?
    If the voting is close it will depend on how the Tories play it. Iain Duncan Smith could have brought down Blair over Iraq, but didn't - cost my MP Tim Collins his seat.

    I imagine if there is any danger of the vote not passing Santa's little yellow helpers will make sure Starmer doesn't fall.
    LDs wont back it. They are very firmly against welfare cuts
    Davey knows about the problems of the long-term sick from personal experience.
    Being a life-long LibDem equates to a long-term sickness?

    (Yes, I know the serious message in your post.)
    Just demonstrates how careful one has to be on the site. There's always someone with a quick mind and a ready post!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,444

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:
    Wasn't that the one with all the wickets on No Balls that weren't picked up by the umpire?
    And some dubious markings on one side of the ball...
    Certainly a lot of reverse swing that day.
    It was the new ball that did the trick. The ball to Thorpe swung in then moved away off the pitch. Whether it was achieved through dubious means, it was still brilliant from Waqar.
    Brilliant bowling from a brilliant bowler. But the no-balls shook my confidence in umpires that day (and I think led to Sheppard stepping down not long after).

    TBF to him, even umpiring in local cricket its tough to watch for the no-ball and then re-adjust to look down the pitch. The use of cameras now is so much better for the top level of the game.
    He umpired tests for another four years.

    He nearly did quit after the match but several people including the England team told him not to.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,903

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:
    Wasn't that the one with all the wickets on No Balls that weren't picked up by the umpire?
    And some dubious markings on one side of the ball...
    Certainly a lot of reverse swing that day.
    It was the new ball that did the trick. The ball to Thorpe swung in then moved away off the pitch. Whether it was achieved through dubious means, it was still brilliant from Waqar.
    Brilliant bowling from a brilliant bowler. But the no-balls shook my confidence in umpires that day (and I think led to Sheppard stepping down not long after).

    TBF to him, even umpiring in local cricket its tough to watch for the no-ball and then re-adjust to look down the pitch. The use of cameras now is so much better for the top level of the game.
    He umpired tests for another four years.

    He nearly did quit after the match but several people including the England team told him not to.
    And he was nowhere near Bucknor levels of terrible
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,699

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:
    Wasn't that the one with all the wickets on No Balls that weren't picked up by the umpire?
    And some dubious markings on one side of the ball...
    Certainly a lot of reverse swing that day.
    It was the new ball that did the trick. The ball to Thorpe swung in then moved away off the pitch. Whether it was achieved through dubious means, it was still brilliant from Waqar.
    Brilliant bowling from a brilliant bowler. But the no-balls shook my confidence in umpires that day (and I think led to Sheppard stepping down not long after).

    TBF to him, even umpiring in local cricket its tough to watch for the no-ball and then re-adjust to look down the pitch. The use of cameras now is so much better for the top level of the game.
    He umpired tests for another four years.

    He nearly did quit after the match but several people including the England team told him not to.
    And he was nowhere near Bucknor levels of terrible
    It's a weird thing that cricket has old umpires rather than young ones.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,444
    Omnium said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:
    Wasn't that the one with all the wickets on No Balls that weren't picked up by the umpire?
    And some dubious markings on one side of the ball...
    Certainly a lot of reverse swing that day.
    It was the new ball that did the trick. The ball to Thorpe swung in then moved away off the pitch. Whether it was achieved through dubious means, it was still brilliant from Waqar.
    Brilliant bowling from a brilliant bowler. But the no-balls shook my confidence in umpires that day (and I think led to Sheppard stepping down not long after).

    TBF to him, even umpiring in local cricket its tough to watch for the no-ball and then re-adjust to look down the pitch. The use of cameras now is so much better for the top level of the game.
    He umpired tests for another four years.

    He nearly did quit after the match but several people including the England team told him not to.
    And he was nowhere near Bucknor levels of terrible
    It's a weird thing that cricket has old umpires rather than young ones.
    The big difference between soccer is ex players become umpires which skews the age profile.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,860
    https://x.com/sadiqkhan/status/1937528754341089352

    I'm calling on the Government to urgently rethink its proposed changes to welfare.

    Analysis of the proposals shows that the impact will be substantial, destroying the financial safety net for too many disabled Londoners
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,421
    I hope we get occasion for a "Pant's cleaned out by Tongue" post at some stage in this series
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,382

    Pulpstar said:

    Mortimer said:

    Starmer conveniently on his travels again as his utterly useless government implodes

    The Blair 'statesman' gambit. But Blair had some really truly able cabinet ministers. And a few canny operators too.

    Can Starmer claim the same?
    Where is Starmer now ?

    It's probably the nature of the PM's job now but he barely seems to have spent a day in the UK recently !
    NATO summit in Hague. Trump is on his way to personally tell them to all stuff themselves.
    William Hague?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,763
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    I was interested to read an article about "Sick Societies" online, which cross-referenced Duddies Branch, with Tasmania, and Aztec Mexico, (a society you've also written about), as being societies which were all engaged in completely self-destructive behaviour.

    That’s the book I’m reading. Dry in places but wildly compelling in others

    I’ve long been interested in cultural/civilsational regression

    There’s a lovely example in tiny Kilfenora cathedral on the Burren in County Clare

    Outside the cathedral there are some 13th century gravestones with quite fine carving and stonework. Inside they have stuff from the 15th century and it’s like they got drunk children to do it. Way beyond “bad”. Laughably poor

    The Burren is isolated. Somehow in those 2 centuries the local Irish forgot how to carve and anyone who could do it moved away

    Trajan’s Column in Rome shows a similar decline in one single object
    There are societies which are politically self-destructive (much of 16th and 17th century Europe, the Eastern Empire in the 14th century), yet are still quite culturally outstanding. But, there's something that goes terribly wrong, with societies where people forget how to do even very basic things, or else their leaders engage in stupid behaviours (like mass human sacrifice), that make those elites hated, and undermine their ability to defend themselves.

    I expect post Roman Britain was one of those sick societies. I imagine it being rather like the world of Mad Max.
    I’ve also been reading about medieval England and the Vikings - to go with my trip to the Faroes

    Even in the 8-9th century the Norse AND Anglo Saxons were treading around the Roman ruins in awe, wondering who could possibly have erected these incredible structures. Gods or giants possibly

    Apparently it gave them all a sense of decline and inadequacy
    St Bede, 7th/8th century, knew quite well about the Romans in Britain and a fair bit about their history, decline and disappearance, and what replaced them.
    Indeed. But much western knowledge was locked away in monasteries and another lot held by the Arab world waiting to be relearned later. It wasnt disseminated and ordinary folk, even the partially educated, almost certainly hadn't a clue.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,903
    edited June 24
    Omnium said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:
    Wasn't that the one with all the wickets on No Balls that weren't picked up by the umpire?
    And some dubious markings on one side of the ball...
    Certainly a lot of reverse swing that day.
    It was the new ball that did the trick. The ball to Thorpe swung in then moved away off the pitch. Whether it was achieved through dubious means, it was still brilliant from Waqar.
    Brilliant bowling from a brilliant bowler. But the no-balls shook my confidence in umpires that day (and I think led to Sheppard stepping down not long after).

    TBF to him, even umpiring in local cricket its tough to watch for the no-ball and then re-adjust to look down the pitch. The use of cameras now is so much better for the top level of the game.
    He umpired tests for another four years.

    He nearly did quit after the match but several people including the England team told him not to.
    And he was nowhere near Bucknor levels of terrible
    It's a weird thing that cricket has old umpires rather than young ones.
    Used to be former players in large part. Of the youngest test umpires, the six youngest were all 19th century and in recent times (millenium) only Simon Taufel debuted under 30!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,048

    Omnium said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:
    Wasn't that the one with all the wickets on No Balls that weren't picked up by the umpire?
    And some dubious markings on one side of the ball...
    Certainly a lot of reverse swing that day.
    It was the new ball that did the trick. The ball to Thorpe swung in then moved away off the pitch. Whether it was achieved through dubious means, it was still brilliant from Waqar.
    Brilliant bowling from a brilliant bowler. But the no-balls shook my confidence in umpires that day (and I think led to Sheppard stepping down not long after).

    TBF to him, even umpiring in local cricket its tough to watch for the no-ball and then re-adjust to look down the pitch. The use of cameras now is so much better for the top level of the game.
    He umpired tests for another four years.

    He nearly did quit after the match but several people including the England team told him not to.
    And he was nowhere near Bucknor levels of terrible
    It's a weird thing that cricket has old umpires rather than young ones.
    The big difference between soccer is ex players become umpires which skews the age profile.
    Being a football referee requires a lot more energy that being a cricket umpire. An ex-player being an umpire also brings, I suggest, more respect from the players.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,903

    https://x.com/sadiqkhan/status/1937528754341089352

    I'm calling on the Government to urgently rethink its proposed changes to welfare.

    Analysis of the proposals shows that the impact will be substantial, destroying the financial safety net for too many disabled Londoners

    Im having a nibble on Kendall resigning
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,262

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:
    Wasn't that the one with all the wickets on No Balls that weren't picked up by the umpire?
    And some dubious markings on one side of the ball...
    Certainly a lot of reverse swing that day.
    It was the new ball that did the trick. The ball to Thorpe swung in then moved away off the pitch. Whether it was achieved through dubious means, it was still brilliant from Waqar.
    Brilliant bowling from a brilliant bowler. But the no-balls shook my confidence in umpires that day (and I think led to Sheppard stepping down not long after).

    TBF to him, even umpiring in local cricket its tough to watch for the no-ball and then re-adjust to look down the pitch. The use of cameras now is so much better for the top level of the game.
    He umpired tests for another four years.

    He nearly did quit after the match but several people including the England team told him not to.
    Ah - false memory. I think he was affected by it though.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,048
    edited June 24
    IanB2 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    I was interested to read an article about "Sick Societies" online, which cross-referenced Duddies Branch, with Tasmania, and Aztec Mexico, (a society you've also written about), as being societies which were all engaged in completely self-destructive behaviour.

    That’s the book I’m reading. Dry in places but wildly compelling in others

    I’ve long been interested in cultural/civilsational regression

    There’s a lovely example in tiny Kilfenora cathedral on the Burren in County Clare

    Outside the cathedral there are some 13th century gravestones with quite fine carving and stonework. Inside they have stuff from the 15th century and it’s like they got drunk children to do it. Way beyond “bad”. Laughably poor

    The Burren is isolated. Somehow in those 2 centuries the local Irish forgot how to carve and anyone who could do it moved away

    Trajan’s Column in Rome shows a similar decline in one single object
    There are societies which are politically self-destructive (much of 16th and 17th century Europe, the Eastern Empire in the 14th century), yet are still quite culturally outstanding. But, there's something that goes terribly wrong, with societies where people forget how to do even very basic things, or else their leaders engage in stupid behaviours (like mass human sacrifice), that make those elites hated, and undermine their ability to defend themselves.

    I expect post Roman Britain was one of those sick societies. I imagine it being rather like the world of Mad Max.
    I’ve also been reading about medieval England and the Vikings - to go with my trip to the Faroes

    Even in the 8-9th century the Norse AND Anglo Saxons were treading around the Roman ruins in awe, wondering who could possibly have erected these incredible structures. Gods or giants possibly

    Apparently it gave them all a sense of decline and inadequacy
    St Bede, 7th/8th century, knew quite well about the Romans in Britain and a fair bit about their history, decline and disappearance, and what replaced them.
    Indeed. But much western knowledge was locked away in monasteries and another lot held by the Arab world waiting to be relearned later. It wasnt disseminated and ordinary folk, even the partially educated, almost certainly hadn't a clue.
    The failure of the West to associate with learned Arabs, and vice versa, was a triumph of religious bigotry and a great handicap to the development of civilisation.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,254
    stjohn said:

    Latest cricket betting odds

    England 1.23-1.24
    Draw 7.2-7.4
    India 20-21

    So punters think the weather will be OK enough for England to get over the line.

    As I said earlier.

    England pissing it.

    India shat the bed.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,262

    Omnium said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:
    Wasn't that the one with all the wickets on No Balls that weren't picked up by the umpire?
    And some dubious markings on one side of the ball...
    Certainly a lot of reverse swing that day.
    It was the new ball that did the trick. The ball to Thorpe swung in then moved away off the pitch. Whether it was achieved through dubious means, it was still brilliant from Waqar.
    Brilliant bowling from a brilliant bowler. But the no-balls shook my confidence in umpires that day (and I think led to Sheppard stepping down not long after).

    TBF to him, even umpiring in local cricket its tough to watch for the no-ball and then re-adjust to look down the pitch. The use of cameras now is so much better for the top level of the game.
    He umpired tests for another four years.

    He nearly did quit after the match but several people including the England team told him not to.
    And he was nowhere near Bucknor levels of terrible
    It's a weird thing that cricket has old umpires rather than young ones.
    The big difference between soccer is ex players become umpires which skews the age profile.
    Being a football referee requires a lot more energy that being a cricket umpire. An ex-player being an umpire also brings, I suggest, more respect from the players.
    I once had the honour of umpiring a game alongside Bomber Wells. One of the greats of Gloucester cricket.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomber_Wells
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,254
    Nigelb said:

    I blame Taz for my current anxiety.

    Noooooo !!

    Think of the band New Order and their seminal track. True Faith 👍
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,447
    Taz said:

    stjohn said:

    Latest cricket betting odds

    England 1.23-1.24
    Draw 7.2-7.4
    India 20-21

    So punters think the weather will be OK enough for England to get over the line.

    As I said earlier.

    England pissing it.

    India shat the bed.
    I've got a whole £5 on this. Getting tense.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,296
    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Mortimer said:

    Starmer conveniently on his travels again as his utterly useless government implodes

    The Blair 'statesman' gambit. But Blair had some really truly able cabinet ministers. And a few canny operators too.

    Can Starmer claim the same?
    Where is Starmer now ?

    It's probably the nature of the PM's job now but he barely seems to have spent a day in the UK recently !
    NATO summit in Hague. Trump is on his way to personally tell them to all stuff themselves.
    William Hague?
    No, Mr Haig. You know, with the dimples.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-aibUV-Ltg
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,262

    Taz said:

    stjohn said:

    Latest cricket betting odds

    England 1.23-1.24
    Draw 7.2-7.4
    India 20-21

    So punters think the weather will be OK enough for England to get over the line.

    As I said earlier.

    England pissing it.

    India shat the bed.
    I've got a whole £5 on this. Getting tense.
    By judicious timing as the game ebbed and flowed I've ended up here:

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,447

    Taz said:

    stjohn said:

    Latest cricket betting odds

    England 1.23-1.24
    Draw 7.2-7.4
    India 20-21

    So punters think the weather will be OK enough for England to get over the line.

    As I said earlier.

    England pissing it.

    India shat the bed.
    I've got a whole £5 on this. Getting tense.
    By judicious timing as the game ebbed and flowed I've ended up here:

    Nice one.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,447
    Sun out
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,254

    Sun out

    Caught or LBW ?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,048

    Sun out

    Have we got a Chinese player; I didn't know.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,421
    Taz said:

    Sun out

    Caught or LBW ?
    I hope it's not run out..
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,262
    Under three figures needed now...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,617
    edited June 24

    I hope we get occasion for a "Pant's cleaned out by Tongue" post at some stage in this series

    I did a "Pant's removed" yesterday.

    Zero credit.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,382

    Omnium said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:
    Wasn't that the one with all the wickets on No Balls that weren't picked up by the umpire?
    And some dubious markings on one side of the ball...
    Certainly a lot of reverse swing that day.
    It was the new ball that did the trick. The ball to Thorpe swung in then moved away off the pitch. Whether it was achieved through dubious means, it was still brilliant from Waqar.
    Brilliant bowling from a brilliant bowler. But the no-balls shook my confidence in umpires that day (and I think led to Sheppard stepping down not long after).

    TBF to him, even umpiring in local cricket its tough to watch for the no-ball and then re-adjust to look down the pitch. The use of cameras now is so much better for the top level of the game.
    He umpired tests for another four years.

    He nearly did quit after the match but several people including the England team told him not to.
    And he was nowhere near Bucknor levels of terrible
    It's a weird thing that cricket has old umpires rather than young ones.
    The big difference between soccer is ex players become umpires which skews the age profile.
    Being a football referee requires a lot more energy that being a cricket umpire. An ex-player being an umpire also brings, I suggest, more respect from the players.
    I once had the honour of umpiring a game alongside Bomber Wells. One of the greats of Gloucester cricket.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomber_Wells
    998 First Class wickets: he must have been gutted not to get two more.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,617
    The trick is to be able to flatter without openly humiliating yourself.
    Rutte clearly hasn't mastered that trick.

    It might at some point prove to have fatally weakened his position as Secretary General. No one wants to be represented by a poodle.

    Flattery is considered the best approach to dealing with Trump, but it comes at a high price. You lose respect and dignity if you do it, and you damage the office and the institution you represent. Sometimes, that price is bigger than whatever you hope to achieve with flattery.
    https://x.com/jakluge/status/1937532858622677445
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,617
    Another review burned ?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,208
    Nigelb said:

    Another review burned ?

    All used.

    When have we heard that before...
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,409
    rcs1000 said:

    Omnium said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:
    Wasn't that the one with all the wickets on No Balls that weren't picked up by the umpire?
    And some dubious markings on one side of the ball...
    Certainly a lot of reverse swing that day.
    It was the new ball that did the trick. The ball to Thorpe swung in then moved away off the pitch. Whether it was achieved through dubious means, it was still brilliant from Waqar.
    Brilliant bowling from a brilliant bowler. But the no-balls shook my confidence in umpires that day (and I think led to Sheppard stepping down not long after).

    TBF to him, even umpiring in local cricket its tough to watch for the no-ball and then re-adjust to look down the pitch. The use of cameras now is so much better for the top level of the game.
    He umpired tests for another four years.

    He nearly did quit after the match but several people including the England team told him not to.
    And he was nowhere near Bucknor levels of terrible
    It's a weird thing that cricket has old umpires rather than young ones.
    The big difference between soccer is ex players become umpires which skews the age profile.
    Being a football referee requires a lot more energy that being a cricket umpire. An ex-player being an umpire also brings, I suggest, more respect from the players.
    I once had the honour of umpiring a game alongside Bomber Wells. One of the greats of Gloucester cricket.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomber_Wells
    998 First Class wickets: he must have been gutted not to get two more.
    Apparently not, according to Wikipedia:

    Although he took 998 wickets in first-class cricket he declined the opportunity to play in the last game of his final first-class season in 1965. He thought he had 999 wickets. "Lots of people have taken 1000 wickets, he told the Notts captain. Nobody has taken 999."
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,617

    Nigelb said:

    Another review burned ?

    All used.

    When have we heard that before...
    Followed by 3 off a misfield.

    I hesitate to crow, for now.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,421
    Nigelb said:

    I hope we get occasion for a "Pant's cleaned out by Tongue" post at some stage in this series

    I did a "Pant's removed" yesterday.

    Zero credit.
    I'm disappointed to not have seen just "Liar, liar" when he's been on fire
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,208

    Could Starmer fall in next two weeks? He says he's pressing on with PIP reform.

    Only if he's looking for an excuse to walk.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,791
    edited June 24
    Nigelb said:

    The trick is to be able to flatter without openly humiliating yourself.
    Rutte clearly hasn't mastered that trick.

    It might at some point prove to have fatally weakened his position as Secretary General. No one wants to be represented by a poodle.
    P
    Flattery is considered the best approach to dealing with Trump, but it comes at a high price. You lose respect and dignity if you do it, and you damage the office and the institution you represent. Sometimes, that price is bigger than whatever you hope to achieve with flattery.
    https://x.com/jakluge/status/1937532858622677445

    Keir Starmer 'walks this line'. I don't know how Johnny would have done it if he was PM of the United Kingdom rather than a white American singer-songwriter heavily influenced by both the blues and country music.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,409

    All outcomes possible in the final session of a 5-day test.

    Anybody who doesn't love this cricket thing, go and collect your French citizenship.

    Did you just edit to remove 'three'? I was going to be pedantic :disappointed:
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,447

    All outcomes possible in the final session of a 5-day test.

    Anybody who doesn't love this cricket thing, go and collect your French citizenship.

    Yet a draw is 35/1
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,447

    Could Starmer fall in next two weeks? He says he's pressing on with PIP reform.

    Only if he's looking for an excuse to walk.
    I posted that when there was talk of him making this a confidence vote
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,674

    All outcomes possible in the final session of a 5-day test.

    Anybody who doesn't love this cricket thing, go and collect your French citizenship.

    Do they still say, 'cricket's a funny game'?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,421

    All outcomes possible in the final session of a 5-day test.

    Anybody who doesn't love this cricket thing, go and collect your French citizenship.

    It's also rather amusing to remember how stupid England were for bowling first
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,791

    Nigelb said:

    I hope we get occasion for a "Pant's cleaned out by Tongue" post at some stage in this series

    I did a "Pant's removed" yesterday.

    Zero credit.
    I'm disappointed to not have seen just "Liar, liar" when he's been on fire
    The apostrophe is the challenge. Too easy otherwise.

    Why can't he be called the more amenable and straightforward "Pants"?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,208
    300 up....
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,760

    All outcomes possible in the final session of a 5-day test.

    Anybody who doesn't love this cricket thing, go and collect your French citizenship.

    It's also rather amusing to remember how stupid England were for bowling first
    They'd have won by an innings had they batted. :wink:
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,421
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    I hope we get occasion for a "Pant's cleaned out by Tongue" post at some stage in this series

    I did a "Pant's removed" yesterday.

    Zero credit.
    I'm disappointed to not have seen just "Liar, liar" when he's been on fire
    The apostrophe is the challenge. Too easy otherwise.

    Why can't he be called the more amenable and straightforward "Pants"?
    Then you'd have to say "Pants is on fire"

    Or add a colon: "Pants: on fire"
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,208
    302-5...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,637
    Oh, for feck's sake. They are keeping this interesting.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,617
    Stokes you idiot !
    :smiley:
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,953
    5 down ...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,617
    DavidL said:

    Oh, for feck's sake. They are keeping this interesting.

    I blame Taz.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,254
    STOKES
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,378

    All outcomes possible in the final session of a 5-day test.

    Anybody who doesn't love this cricket thing, go and collect your French citizenship.

    Yet a draw is 35/1
    Realistically a draw isn't going to happen.

    We either win or we collapse.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,394


    Labour backbenchers at it again.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,444
    Nigelb said:

    Stokes you idiot !
    :smiley:

    Seriously, what has Ben Stokes ever done for English cricket?
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,254
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    Oh, for feck's sake. They are keeping this interesting.

    I blame Taz.
    Noooooooo !!!!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,903
    5 partnerships of 14 required
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,421
    Do Smith haters want a "proper" wicketkeeper in right now?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,208
    edited June 24
    carnforth said:



    Labour backbenchers at it again.

    There's going to be A LOT of by-elections if so.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,617

    Do Smith haters want a "proper" wicketkeeper in right now?

    Strategy, obvs.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,617
    Ball getting some turn.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,382
    carnforth said:



    Labour backbenchers at it again.

    I'm Palestinian Action and so's my wife.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,617
    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:



    Labour backbenchers at it again.

    I'm Palestinian Action and so's my wife.
    We don't count euphemisms.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,254
    Let’s get some perspective dudes.

    Our tail is better than theirs.

    Just over 60 needed with 5 wickets to go.

    Keep the faith NigelB
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,049
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    I was interested to read an article about "Sick Societies" online, which cross-referenced Duddies Branch, with Tasmania, and Aztec Mexico, (a society you've also written about), as being societies which were all engaged in completely self-destructive behaviour.

    That’s the book I’m reading. Dry in places but wildly compelling in others

    I’ve long been interested in cultural/civilsational regression

    There’s a lovely example in tiny Kilfenora cathedral on the Burren in County Clare

    Outside the cathedral there are some 13th century gravestones with quite fine carving and stonework. Inside they have stuff from the 15th century and it’s like they got drunk children to do it. Way beyond “bad”. Laughably poor

    The Burren is isolated. Somehow in those 2 centuries the local Irish forgot how to carve and anyone who could do it moved away

    Trajan’s Column in Rome shows a similar decline in one single object
    There are societies which are politically self-destructive (much of 16th and 17th century Europe, the Eastern Empire in the 14th century), yet are still quite culturally outstanding. But, there's something that goes terribly wrong, with societies where people forget how to do even very basic things, or else their leaders engage in stupid behaviours (like mass human sacrifice), that make those elites hated, and undermine their ability to defend themselves.

    I expect post Roman Britain was one of those sick societies. I imagine it being rather like the world of Mad Max.
    I’ve also been reading about medieval England and the Vikings - to go with my trip to the Faroes

    Even in the 8-9th century the Norse AND Anglo Saxons were treading around the Roman ruins in awe, wondering who could possibly have erected these incredible structures. Gods or giants possibly

    Apparently it gave them all a sense of decline and inadequacy
    St Bede, 7th/8th century, knew quite well about the Romans in Britain and a fair bit about their history, decline and disappearance, and what replaced them.
    Interesting. Am planning a trip to Jarrow to check him out.
    He's usually referred to as the Venerable Bede. Have always thought it made it almost worthwhile to become an Archdeacon just to get that title.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,957
    Nigelb said:

    I think Israel knows exactly what they're doing.

    Whether the senile old man at Pennsylvania Avenue Care Home does, is another matter.

    Meanwhile, another couple of Democrat septuagenarians in Congress announce in the last week that they'd be running again.
    US Democratic politicians in office are always keen to feather their own nests and enthusiastically cooperate with Republicans/Fascists/whatever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f_V9zZNzTY (19 mins)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,444
    Taz said:

    Let’s get some perspective dudes.

    Our tail is better than theirs.

    Just over 60 needed with 5 wickets to go.

    Keep the faith NigelB

    Being an England fan in the 1990s leaves a deep scar on you.

    I saw England go from 147/4 to 150 all out (and that was thanks to a gritty single from Devon Malcolm.)

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-australia-1990-91-61737/australia-vs-england-2nd-test-63544/full-scorecard
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,791

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    I hope we get occasion for a "Pant's cleaned out by Tongue" post at some stage in this series

    I did a "Pant's removed" yesterday.

    Zero credit.
    I'm disappointed to not have seen just "Liar, liar" when he's been on fire
    The apostrophe is the challenge. Too easy otherwise.

    Why can't he be called the more amenable and straightforward "Pants"?
    Then you'd have to say "Pants is on fire"

    Or add a colon: "Pants: on fire"
    True. But think how much more would be possible with "Pants".

    Eg India are a one man band. They're just ...
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,421
    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,705

    Taz said:

    stjohn said:

    Latest cricket betting odds

    England 1.23-1.24
    Draw 7.2-7.4
    India 20-21

    So punters think the weather will be OK enough for England to get over the line.

    As I said earlier.

    England pissing it.

    India shat the bed.
    I've got a whole £5 on this. Getting tense.
    I am similarly committed from yesterday and topped up today. The suspense is killing me.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,903

    Taz said:

    Let’s get some perspective dudes.

    Our tail is better than theirs.

    Just over 60 needed with 5 wickets to go.

    Keep the faith NigelB

    Being an England fan in the 1990s leaves a deep scar on you.

    I saw England go from 147/4 to 150 all out (and that was thanks to a gritty single from Devon Malcolm.)

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-australia-1990-91-61737/australia-vs-england-2nd-test-63544/full-scorecard
    Mulalley, Malcolm, The Cat
    Greatest 9, 10, Jack ever
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,382

    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..

    I don't believe any of the political parties are running on a platform of criminalising cousin marriage.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,903
    rcs1000 said:

    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..

    I don't believe any of the political parties are running on a platform of criminalising cousin marriage.
    Going hard for the Jerry Lee Lewis vote
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,420
    Nigelb said:

    The trick is to be able to flatter without openly humiliating yourself.
    Rutte clearly hasn't mastered that trick.

    It might at some point prove to have fatally weakened his position as Secretary General. No one wants to be represented by a poodle.

    Flattery is considered the best approach to dealing with Trump, but it comes at a high price. You lose respect and dignity if you do it, and you damage the office and the institution you represent. Sometimes, that price is bigger than whatever you hope to achieve with flattery.
    https://x.com/jakluge/status/1937532858622677445

    There is flattery and abject butt slurping
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,760

    Taz said:

    Let’s get some perspective dudes.

    Our tail is better than theirs.

    Just over 60 needed with 5 wickets to go.

    Keep the faith NigelB

    Being an England fan in the 1990s leaves a deep scar on you.

    I saw England go from 147/4 to 150 all out (and that was thanks to a gritty single from Devon Malcolm.)

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-australia-1990-91-61737/australia-vs-england-2nd-test-63544/full-scorecard
    Mulalley, Malcolm, The Cat
    Greatest 9, 10, Jack ever
    No, it was Tufnell at 10 and Giddins at 11 against New Zealand.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,445

    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..

    It is contra-indicated for genetic health reasons, but I don't have the same visceral reaction to it as I do with sibling incest.

    And if it was a same-sex marriage, or one of the two had been sterilised, there'd be nothing to worry about in health terms either.
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