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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,519
    Andy_JS said:

    Most important news of the moment:

    England need 371 to win at Headingley.

    Under four an over.
    But probably too many for England.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,519

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Rahul goes, played on.

    Always really annoyed me that played on is "bowled" in the scorebook
    Why ?
    As a dismissal playing on from a poor drive wide outside off is very different from being out due to missing a straight one, or an inswinger.
    Not really.

    The bowler gets credit for catches, which are often much the same thing. And then there's the batsman getting an unplayably bad bounce, etc.
    And it's not as though batsmen don't get credit for an edge which goes through the slips for four.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,624
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Most important news of the moment:

    England need 371 to win at Headingley.

    Under four an over.
    But probably too many for England.
    Pitch doesn't deteriorate much these days. But I tend to agree. Unless someone goes large (150+) it is too far.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,519

    Am I the only one who thinks Starmer is doing okay (just okay, not amazing)?

    I'm not so deluded as to think the UK is a world power, or even a major regional one anymore.

    I don't think whomever is in charge could seriously turn things around; whether that be Badenoch, Starmer, Farage, Davey or Denyer.

    We're living in bad times, with bad actors like Trump, Xi, Putin all pretending to be the good guys but doing horrible things, and no one really wants to make the tough choices to stop them, or explain to us that, yep, our economies are so interlinked if Trump fucks up America, he fucks up the world.....

    I agree. Given a hypothetical choice, a world run by, say, Starmer and Macron would be considerably safer and saner than one run by Trump, Netanyahu and Putin.
    There'd be the risk of Leon expiring from boredom, but I think we might just live with that.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,679

    Am I the only one who thinks Starmer is doing okay (just okay, not amazing)?

    I'm not so deluded as to think the UK is a world power, or even a major regional one anymore.

    I don't think whomever is in charge could seriously turn things around; whether that be Badenoch, Starmer, Farage, Davey or Denyer.

    We're living in bad times, with bad actors like Trump, Xi, Putin all pretending to be the good guys but doing horrible things, and no one really wants to make the tough choices to stop them, or explain to us that, yep, our economies are so interlinked if Trump fucks up America, he fucks up the world.....

    Agree. he is playing a tricky hand well. It's one where it's impossible to come out brilliantly, but possible to to be completely demolished. To come out OK is fine.

    Reasons: we are a responsible but not particularly powerful player; memories of Iraq etc; the unknowability of Trump; it's essential to be onside with USA because there isn't a choice; UK population is very keen not to be involved unless it is to defend ourselves here.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,818

    Am I the only one who thinks Starmer is doing okay (just okay, not amazing)?

    I'm not so deluded as to think the UK is a world power, or even a major regional one anymore.

    I don't think whomever is in charge could seriously turn things around; whether that be Badenoch, Starmer, Farage, Davey or Denyer.

    We're living in bad times, with bad actors like Trump, Xi, Putin all pretending to be the good guys but doing horrible things, and no one really wants to make the tough choices to stop them, or explain to us that, yep, our economies are so interlinked if Trump fucks up America, he fucks up the world.....

    He's not done anything positive for the UK, has targeted vulnerable groups and is pursuing vindictive and venal policies against businesses, the disabled etc and has utterly failed to smash the gangs
    So, no, I don't think he's doing okay, personally.
    Other views available
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,190

    Am I the only one who thinks Starmer is doing okay (just okay, not amazing)?

    I'm not so deluded as to think the UK is a world power, or even a major regional one anymore.

    I don't think whomever is in charge could seriously turn things around; whether that be Badenoch, Starmer, Farage, Davey or Denyer.

    We're living in bad times, with bad actors like Trump, Xi, Putin all pretending to be the good guys but doing horrible things, and no one really wants to make the tough choices to stop them, or explain to us that, yep, our economies are so interlinked if Trump fucks up America, he fucks up the world.....

    No you’re not. I’ve said since Xmas he’s really started to get better. I think the first impression of the last 6 months last year, where he was useless, is hard to shift.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,915
    Amusing to me that anyone is still discussing Starmers track record or England’s target for tomorrow, when all heck is breaking loose
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,745
    Starmer is doing okay-ish, but Labour set themselves up to fail whilst in opposition (unlike the Tories 2005-2010).
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,677
    Who is this fellow Reggie Side?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,727

    Am I the only one who thinks Starmer is doing okay (just okay, not amazing)?

    I'm not so deluded as to think the UK is a world power, or even a major regional one anymore.

    I don't think whomever is in charge could seriously turn things around; whether that be Badenoch, Starmer, Farage, Davey or Denyer.

    We're living in bad times, with bad actors like Trump, Xi, Putin all pretending to be the good guys but doing horrible things, and no one really wants to make the tough choices to stop them, or explain to us that, yep, our economies are so interlinked if Trump fucks up America, he fucks up the world.....

    I'm with you, if anything I'm more positive. He's doing well.
    Starmer has inherited: a decade+ of no economic growth, the end of NATO and US democracy, a global trade war, and now we have what looks like a major war in the middle east.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,661
    edited June 23
    On PB at the moment: your choice between a ring-side seat as the WWIII overture gets under way; or the latest from the really thrilling test match. (Fog in Channel, rest of the world isolated.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,519
    Both Japan and S Korea have decided not to attend the NATO summit as they normally would.

    There's no overstating how extraordinary this is. The West (ie Trump) has now lost political support from the whole of Asia, even Japan and South Korea.
    https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1937126934309405148
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,395
    Indian batsmen 7-11 averaging just under 2 so far this series.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,519

    Who is this fellow Reggie Side?

    You don't want to meet his brother Ronnie.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,190
    https://x.com/wallstengine/status/1937196086277640570?s=61

    Interesting that Iran are claiming to have used the same number of bombs the US used when attacking them.

    https://x.com/wallstengine/status/1937196086277640570?s=61
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,519
    AnneJGP said:

    On PB at the moment: your choice between a ring-side seat as the WWIII overture gets under way; or the latest from the really thrilling test match. (Fog in Channel, rest of the world isolated.)

    It's a long standing trope.

    See, for example, The Lady Vanishes.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,624
    edited June 23
    Yokes said:

    I said in my post last night, do not rule out the Iranians doing something symbolic, telegraphing it, claiming success and then stopping the cycle with the Americans.

    Stories have it the attack on the airbase in Qatar is right along those lines. The airbase, and the ports in Bahrain were largely emptied last week.

    For a bunch of insane psychopaths, desperate to meet a bunch of virgins (why, by the way, surely someone who knows what they're doing...never mind) the Mullahs have shown themselves to be pragmatic and very cautious over the last few years. I think a symbolic gesture would fit.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,031
    edited June 23
    AnneJGP said:

    On PB at the moment: your choice between a ring-side seat as the WWIII overture gets under way; or the latest from the really thrilling test match. (Fog in Channel, rest of the world isolated.)

    But England only need 371 in 100 overs, which is eminently gettable under these conditions assuming we don’t lose early wickets.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,661
    Nigelb said:

    Both Japan and S Korea have decided not to attend the NATO summit as they normally would.

    There's no overstating how extraordinary this is. The West (ie Trump) has now lost political support from the whole of Asia, even Japan and South Korea.
    https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1937126934309405148

    If it means getting on an aeroplane and flying any time soon, can't blame them for deciding to stay put.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,823
    AnneJGP said:

    On PB at the moment: your choice between a ring-side seat as the WWIII overture gets under way; or the latest from the really thrilling test match. (Fog in Channel, rest of the world isolated.)

    I'm reminded of the Hitchcock film The Lady Vanishes.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,266
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Fox reporting threat to Qatar bases 'imminent'

    Ian Bremmer, of Eurasia group, a global political risk consultant, thinks this makes sense for Iran. It may lead to de escalation.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1937167633415082491?s=61
    If they want the off ramp.... they were talking about a 2 year war this morning
    They’ve been promising all sorts of stuff since the Israelis started pounding away at them.

    Never comes to fruition.
    Again, remember Vietnam and Afghanistan who eventually saw off superpowers after years of attrition. And Iran is, even in its weakened state, richer and more powerful than those.

    Trump will be seething at Bibi and the Neocons if they've dragged him into the Middle East quagmire he pledged to avoid.
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 184

    Am I the only one who thinks Starmer is doing okay (just okay, not amazing)?

    I'm not so deluded as to think the UK is a world power, or even a major regional one anymore.

    I don't think whomever is in charge could seriously turn things around; whether that be Badenoch, Starmer, Farage, Davey or Denyer.

    We're living in bad times, with bad actors like Trump, Xi, Putin all pretending to be the good guys but doing horrible things, and no one really wants to make the tough choices to stop them, or explain to us that, yep, our economies are so interlinked if Trump fucks up America, he fucks up the world.....

    Sounds about right if you are happy with continued managed decline. I have more ambition for the UK than a timid old man without the intellectual capacity to imagine Britain as anything other than something to be a bit ashamed of.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,641
    edited June 23
    Sandpit said:

    AnneJGP said:

    On PB at the moment: your choice between a ring-side seat as the WWIII overture gets under way; or the latest from the really thrilling test match. (Fog in Channel, rest of the world isolated.)

    But England only need 371 in 10 overs, which is eminently gettable under these conditions assuming we don’t lose early wickets.
    10 overs :D
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,745
    https://x.com/Itwitius/status/1937197552136339759

    Tim Marshall
    @Itwitius
    Iran says it has 'pulverised' the US Airbase in Qatar. It really hasn't but they hope the gullible, and some of the Iranian public, think it has. Qatar gov statement says no casualties from the missile attack.Qatar not happy at having missiles fired at the country. #Iran. .
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,818
    Qatar threatening to respond to the attack. Regional war anyone?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,519

    Am I the only one who thinks Starmer is doing okay (just okay, not amazing)?

    I'm not so deluded as to think the UK is a world power, or even a major regional one anymore.

    I don't think whomever is in charge could seriously turn things around; whether that be Badenoch, Starmer, Farage, Davey or Denyer.

    We're living in bad times, with bad actors like Trump, Xi, Putin all pretending to be the good guys but doing horrible things, and no one really wants to make the tough choices to stop them, or explain to us that, yep, our economies are so interlinked if Trump fucks up America, he fucks up the world.....

    Sounds about right if you are happy with continued managed decline. I have more ambition for the UK than a timid old man without the intellectual capacity to imagine Britain as anything other than something to be a bit ashamed of.
    But harsh on Valiant there.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,031
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    AnneJGP said:

    On PB at the moment: your choice between a ring-side seat as the WWIII overture gets under way; or the latest from the really thrilling test match. (Fog in Channel, rest of the world isolated.)

    But England only need 371 in 10 overs, which is eminently gettable under these conditions assuming we don’t lose early wickets.
    10 overs :D
    Whoops, rusty. Corrected to 100 overs!
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,585
    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/Itwitius/status/1937197552136339759

    Tim Marshall
    @Itwitius
    Iran says it has 'pulverised' the US Airbase in Qatar. It really hasn't but they hope the gullible, and some of the Iranian public, think it has. Qatar gov statement says no casualties from the missile attack.Qatar not happy at having missiles fired at the country. #Iran. .

    LOL. Never masters of understatement.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,425

    Qatar threatening to respond to the attack. Regional war anyone?

    Don't the Hamas leadership hide out in Qatar? It so hard to keep up.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,818

    Qatar threatening to respond to the attack. Regional war anyone?

    Don't the Hamas leadership hide out in Qatar? It so hard to keep up.
    Rats/sack
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,408
    Remember this Iranian attack is all about responding to the Americans, nothing else in the overall picture.

    The joker in this is the militias in Iraq and so on. The Iraqis have been working hard to keep a lid on it but are a soft target if the Iranians attack directly. They have no long rang response mechanism.

  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,921

    Qatar threatening to respond to the attack. Regional war anyone?

    The Free Palestine lot won’t know who to back if Arab states join the war on Israel’s side.
    Whoever the UK is against will be the tiebreaker there.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,395

    Qatar threatening to respond to the attack. Regional war anyone?

    The Free Palestine lot won’t know who to back if Arab states join the war on Israel’s side.
    They will back the side which isn't Israel.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,585
    All missiles fired at Qatar intercepted.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,519
    AnneJGP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Both Japan and S Korea have decided not to attend the NATO summit as they normally would.

    There's no overstating how extraordinary this is. The West (ie Trump) has now lost political support from the whole of Asia, even Japan and South Korea.
    https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1937126934309405148

    If it means getting on an aeroplane and flying any time soon, can't blame them for deciding to stay put.
    It's not entirely clear whether it's that, or their sending a message by not attending.

    Lee's top security aide to attend NATO summit in Netherlands
    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/foreignaffairs/20250623/lee-jae-myungs-top-security-aide-to-attend-nato-summit-in-netherlands-presidential-office
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,677
    Cookie said:

    Indian batsmen 7-11 averaging just under 2 so far this series.

    Indian batsmen can bat all day :lol:
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,190

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Fox reporting threat to Qatar bases 'imminent'

    Ian Bremmer, of Eurasia group, a global political risk consultant, thinks this makes sense for Iran. It may lead to de escalation.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1937167633415082491?s=61
    If they want the off ramp.... they were talking about a 2 year war this morning
    They’ve been promising all sorts of stuff since the Israelis started pounding away at them.

    Never comes to fruition.
    Again, remember Vietnam and Afghanistan who eventually saw off superpowers after years of attrition. And Iran is, even in its weakened state, richer and more powerful than those.

    Trump will be seething at Bibi and the Neocons if they've dragged him into the Middle East quagmire he pledged to avoid.
    Yet the only person he can really be seething at is himself. He’s danced to the neocons and Bibi’s tune.

    What a mug.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,677

    Qatar threatening to respond to the attack. Regional war anyone?

    Don't the Hamas leadership hide out in Qatar? It so hard to keep up.
    Just a bunch of Sunni heathens! :lol:
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,921
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Fox reporting threat to Qatar bases 'imminent'

    Ian Bremmer, of Eurasia group, a global political risk consultant, thinks this makes sense for Iran. It may lead to de escalation.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1937167633415082491?s=61
    If they want the off ramp.... they were talking about a 2 year war this morning
    They’ve been promising all sorts of stuff since the Israelis started pounding away at them.

    Never comes to fruition.
    Again, remember Vietnam and Afghanistan who eventually saw off superpowers after years of attrition. And Iran is, even in its weakened state, richer and more powerful than those.

    Trump will be seething at Bibi and the Neocons if they've dragged him into the Middle East quagmire he pledged to avoid.
    Yet the only person he can really be seething at is himself. He’s danced to the neocons and Bibi’s tune.

    What a mug.
    Because its the right tune.

    You apologists who want Iran to have nukes need a new tune.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,677

    Qatar threatening to respond to the attack. Regional war anyone?

    The Free Palestine lot won’t know who to back if Arab states join the war on Israel’s side.
    Jordan has already intercepted numerous Iranian missiles both this year and last year.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,395
    AnneJGP said:

    On PB at the moment: your choice between a ring-side seat as the WWIII overture gets under way; or the latest from the really thrilling test match. (Fog in Channel, rest of the world isolated.)

    I'm genuinely unsure whether this is said with scorn or approval.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,841
    edited June 23

    Qatar threatening to respond to the attack. Regional war anyone?

    Don't the Hamas leadership hide out in Qatar? It so hard to keep up.
    They all got sent to Coventry, I mean Turkey quite a few months ago.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,837

    Qatar threatening to respond to the attack. Regional war anyone?

    The Free Palestine lot won’t know who to back if Arab states join the war on Israel’s side.
    Jordan has already intercepted numerous Iranian missiles both this year and last year.
    Yes, but that's not the same as firing back at Iran.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,397
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    AnneJGP said:

    On PB at the moment: your choice between a ring-side seat as the WWIII overture gets under way; or the latest from the really thrilling test match. (Fog in Channel, rest of the world isolated.)

    But England only need 371 in 10 overs, which is eminently gettable under these conditions assuming we don’t lose early wickets.
    10 overs :D
    I took Sandpit to mean we'd only get 10 overs in before nuclear armageddon! :open_mouth:
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,921

    Qatar threatening to respond to the attack. Regional war anyone?

    The Free Palestine lot won’t know who to back if Arab states join the war on Israel’s side.
    Jordan has already intercepted numerous Iranian missiles both this year and last year.
    She goes by Katie Price now.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,677

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Fox reporting threat to Qatar bases 'imminent'

    Ian Bremmer, of Eurasia group, a global political risk consultant, thinks this makes sense for Iran. It may lead to de escalation.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1937167633415082491?s=61
    If they want the off ramp.... they were talking about a 2 year war this morning
    They’ve been promising all sorts of stuff since the Israelis started pounding away at them.

    Never comes to fruition.
    Again, remember Vietnam and Afghanistan who eventually saw off superpowers after years of attrition. And Iran is, even in its weakened state, richer and more powerful than those.

    Trump will be seething at Bibi and the Neocons if they've dragged him into the Middle East quagmire he pledged to avoid.
    Nah, the Orange Guy seemed rather pleased with his attack on Iran.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,921

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Fox reporting threat to Qatar bases 'imminent'

    Ian Bremmer, of Eurasia group, a global political risk consultant, thinks this makes sense for Iran. It may lead to de escalation.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1937167633415082491?s=61
    If they want the off ramp.... they were talking about a 2 year war this morning
    They’ve been promising all sorts of stuff since the Israelis started pounding away at them.

    Never comes to fruition.
    Again, remember Vietnam and Afghanistan who eventually saw off superpowers after years of attrition. And Iran is, even in its weakened state, richer and more powerful than those.

    Trump will be seething at Bibi and the Neocons if they've dragged him into the Middle East quagmire he pledged to avoid.
    Nah, the Orange Guy seemed rather pleased with his attack on Iran.
    As well he should.

    First time the orange one has done the right thing and targeted America's enemy instead of Democrats.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,425
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Rahul goes, played on.

    Always really annoyed me that played on is "bowled" in the scorebook
    Why ?
    As a dismissal playing on from a poor drive wide outside off is very different from being out due to missing a straight one, or an inswinger.
    Not really.

    The bowler gets credit for catches, which are often much the same thing. And then there's the batsman getting an unplayably bad bounce, etc.
    And it's not as though batsmen don't get credit for an edge which goes through the slips for four.
    It's not about credit. It's just that they're different. Catches are recorded differently to stumpings and to lbw. You could distinguish between played on and clean bowled.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,915
    Oil price crashing now, assumption this is a firework show and things will return to normal
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,661
    Cookie said:

    AnneJGP said:

    On PB at the moment: your choice between a ring-side seat as the WWIII overture gets under way; or the latest from the really thrilling test match. (Fog in Channel, rest of the world isolated.)

    I'm genuinely unsure whether this is said with scorn or approval.
    Definitely approval. It's part of the fascination of the site.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,266

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Fox reporting threat to Qatar bases 'imminent'

    Ian Bremmer, of Eurasia group, a global political risk consultant, thinks this makes sense for Iran. It may lead to de escalation.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1937167633415082491?s=61
    If they want the off ramp.... they were talking about a 2 year war this morning
    They’ve been promising all sorts of stuff since the Israelis started pounding away at them.

    Never comes to fruition.
    Again, remember Vietnam and Afghanistan who eventually saw off superpowers after years of attrition. And Iran is, even in its weakened state, richer and more powerful than those.

    Trump will be seething at Bibi and the Neocons if they've dragged him into the Middle East quagmire he pledged to avoid.
    Nah, the Orange Guy seemed rather pleased with his attack on Iran.
    Wars often go well the first day.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,921

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Fox reporting threat to Qatar bases 'imminent'

    Ian Bremmer, of Eurasia group, a global political risk consultant, thinks this makes sense for Iran. It may lead to de escalation.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1937167633415082491?s=61
    If they want the off ramp.... they were talking about a 2 year war this morning
    They’ve been promising all sorts of stuff since the Israelis started pounding away at them.

    Never comes to fruition.
    Again, remember Vietnam and Afghanistan who eventually saw off superpowers after years of attrition. And Iran is, even in its weakened state, richer and more powerful than those.

    Trump will be seething at Bibi and the Neocons if they've dragged him into the Middle East quagmire he pledged to avoid.
    Nah, the Orange Guy seemed rather pleased with his attack on Iran.
    Wars often go well the first day.
    So you agree its going well?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,661

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Fox reporting threat to Qatar bases 'imminent'

    Ian Bremmer, of Eurasia group, a global political risk consultant, thinks this makes sense for Iran. It may lead to de escalation.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1937167633415082491?s=61
    If they want the off ramp.... they were talking about a 2 year war this morning
    They’ve been promising all sorts of stuff since the Israelis started pounding away at them.

    Never comes to fruition.
    Again, remember Vietnam and Afghanistan who eventually saw off superpowers after years of attrition. And Iran is, even in its weakened state, richer and more powerful than those.

    Trump will be seething at Bibi and the Neocons if they've dragged him into the Middle East quagmire he pledged to avoid.
    Nah, the Orange Guy seemed rather pleased with his attack on Iran.
    He won't be pleased if these developments push him off the headlines.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,190
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    AnneJGP said:

    On PB at the moment: your choice between a ring-side seat as the WWIII overture gets under way; or the latest from the really thrilling test match. (Fog in Channel, rest of the world isolated.)

    But England only need 371 in 10 overs, which is eminently gettable under these conditions assuming we don’t lose early wickets.
    You're back !

    Welcome.
    Yes, good to see @Sandpit back
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,031
    moonshine said:

    Oil price crashing now, assumption this is a firework show and things will return to normal

    The US had pretty much evacuated the Qatar and Bahrain bases, except for the air defences.

    It’s most likely to be a firework show, assuming the bunker-busters did their job over the weekend.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,266

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Fox reporting threat to Qatar bases 'imminent'

    Ian Bremmer, of Eurasia group, a global political risk consultant, thinks this makes sense for Iran. It may lead to de escalation.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1937167633415082491?s=61
    If they want the off ramp.... they were talking about a 2 year war this morning
    They’ve been promising all sorts of stuff since the Israelis started pounding away at them.

    Never comes to fruition.
    Again, remember Vietnam and Afghanistan who eventually saw off superpowers after years of attrition. And Iran is, even in its weakened state, richer and more powerful than those.

    Trump will be seething at Bibi and the Neocons if they've dragged him into the Middle East quagmire he pledged to avoid.
    Yet the only person he can really be seething at is himself. He’s danced to the neocons and Bibi’s tune.

    What a mug.
    Because its the right tune.

    You apologists who want Iran to have nukes need a new tune.
    You are sounding a bit one-note yourself.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,837

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Fox reporting threat to Qatar bases 'imminent'

    Ian Bremmer, of Eurasia group, a global political risk consultant, thinks this makes sense for Iran. It may lead to de escalation.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1937167633415082491?s=61
    If they want the off ramp.... they were talking about a 2 year war this morning
    They’ve been promising all sorts of stuff since the Israelis started pounding away at them.

    Never comes to fruition.
    Again, remember Vietnam and Afghanistan who eventually saw off superpowers after years of attrition. And Iran is, even in its weakened state, richer and more powerful than those.

    Trump will be seething at Bibi and the Neocons if they've dragged him into the Middle East quagmire he pledged to avoid.
    Nah, the Orange Guy seemed rather pleased with his attack on Iran.
    Wars often go well the first day.
    If Twitter was around during WW2:

    image
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,190
    moonshine said:

    Oil price crashing now, assumption this is a firework show and things will return to normal

    Maybe the flight from Dubai to Moscow over Iran is significant in all this ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,190

    Qatar threatening to respond to the attack. Regional war anyone?

    The Free Palestine lot won’t know who to back if Arab states join the war on Israel’s side.
    Jordan has already intercepted numerous Iranian missiles both this year and last year.
    She goes by Katie Price now.
    She has certainly had a memorable trip to the Gulf.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,782
    If England are still nil wickets down 25 mins into tomorrow the betfair market will be as follows:

    ENG: 3
    IND: 3
    DRAW: 3

    How about that. Very rare.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,352
    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Both Japan and S Korea have decided not to attend the NATO summit as they normally would.

    There's no overstating how extraordinary this is. The West (ie Trump) has now lost political support from the whole of Asia, even Japan and South Korea.
    https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1937126934309405148

    If it means getting on an aeroplane and flying any time soon, can't blame them for deciding to stay put.
    It's not entirely clear whether it's that, or their sending a message by not attending.

    Lee's top security aide to attend NATO summit in Netherlands
    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/foreignaffairs/20250623/lee-jae-myungs-top-security-aide-to-attend-nato-summit-in-netherlands-presidential-office
    The summit starts tomorrow and there is currently no sane way to get from South Korea or Japan to the Netherlands given Russia isn’t an option and the middle east is for the next few hours a no fly zone
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,190
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,484
    Checks the news

    FUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKK
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,694
    kinabalu said:

    If England are still nil wickets down 25 mins into tomorrow the betfair market will be as follows:

    ENG: 3
    IND: 3
    DRAW: 3

    How about that. Very rare.

    Could even be a tie. Proper rare!
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,190
    A video of the fire in Manchester (mad for it ) @Cookie mentioned

    Phew. What a scorcher !!

    https://x.com/themancuk/status/1937188478518694358?s=61
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,031
    UAE airspace reopened, flights taking off now from DXB (I can see them from my window!).
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,782

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Fox reporting threat to Qatar bases 'imminent'

    Ian Bremmer, of Eurasia group, a global political risk consultant, thinks this makes sense for Iran. It may lead to de escalation.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1937167633415082491?s=61
    If they want the off ramp.... they were talking about a 2 year war this morning
    They’ve been promising all sorts of stuff since the Israelis started pounding away at them.

    Never comes to fruition.
    Again, remember Vietnam and Afghanistan who eventually saw off superpowers after years of attrition. And Iran is, even in its weakened state, richer and more powerful than those.

    Trump will be seething at Bibi and the Neocons if they've dragged him into the Middle East quagmire he pledged to avoid.
    Nah, the Orange Guy seemed rather pleased with his attack on Iran.
    He's luving it.

    Also clueless and doesn't think beyond the news cycle.

    Precarious combination.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,805

    Leon said:

    Farage is going to win

    That said I saw Big Nige on telly other day and he looked… old

    He's bored already. He'll be off before 2029
    Where do people get this stuff from?
    His track record of buggering off to do something else
    Is it logical that he's working like a ditchdigger, and has just released an economic policy that has been stress-tested to the nth degree, just so he can give up before the General Election? What exactly would be the point?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,818
    Fog of war - the missiles at Iraq were either false or Iraqi militias, it appears just to have been Al Udeied and thus possible Iran are looking for a performative response only. Let's see what the US does
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,921

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Fox reporting threat to Qatar bases 'imminent'

    Ian Bremmer, of Eurasia group, a global political risk consultant, thinks this makes sense for Iran. It may lead to de escalation.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1937167633415082491?s=61
    If they want the off ramp.... they were talking about a 2 year war this morning
    They’ve been promising all sorts of stuff since the Israelis started pounding away at them.

    Never comes to fruition.
    Again, remember Vietnam and Afghanistan who eventually saw off superpowers after years of attrition. And Iran is, even in its weakened state, richer and more powerful than those.

    Trump will be seething at Bibi and the Neocons if they've dragged him into the Middle East quagmire he pledged to avoid.
    Nah, the Orange Guy seemed rather pleased with his attack on Iran.
    Wars often go well the first day.
    If Twitter was around during WW2:

    image
    What an asinine comment.

    Is Iran supposed to be a sleeping giant?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,519

    Checks the news

    FUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKK

    You have real estate on the moon ?

    Giant asteroid could crash into moon in 2032, firing debris towards Earth
    Researchers say satellites may be at risk and impact could create a spectacular meteor shower in the skies
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/jun/23/giant-asteroid-could-crash-moon-2032-firing-debris-earth
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,921

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Fox reporting threat to Qatar bases 'imminent'

    Ian Bremmer, of Eurasia group, a global political risk consultant, thinks this makes sense for Iran. It may lead to de escalation.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1937167633415082491?s=61
    If they want the off ramp.... they were talking about a 2 year war this morning
    They’ve been promising all sorts of stuff since the Israelis started pounding away at them.

    Never comes to fruition.
    Again, remember Vietnam and Afghanistan who eventually saw off superpowers after years of attrition. And Iran is, even in its weakened state, richer and more powerful than those.

    Trump will be seething at Bibi and the Neocons if they've dragged him into the Middle East quagmire he pledged to avoid.
    Yet the only person he can really be seething at is himself. He’s danced to the neocons and Bibi’s tune.

    What a mug.
    Because its the right tune.

    You apologists who want Iran to have nukes need a new tune.
    You are sounding a bit one-note yourself.
    Happy to be the calm voice of reason while everyone else loses their heads and goes BRACE!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,031
    edited June 23

    Sandpit said:

    *de-lurks*

    Is World War III about to kick off?

    *re-lurks*

    Can I plead with you to delurk permanently? The whys and wherefores of the last war seem meaningless compared to the direct realities of this new war. You are far closer than we are and your input to discussions would be very much appreciated.
    Thanks. We’ll see, it’s been a crazy few months at work though. Have been lurking a bit here but mostly busy with life.

    Trip to UK and Ukraine planned for August, first holiday in more than two years.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,190

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Fox reporting threat to Qatar bases 'imminent'

    Ian Bremmer, of Eurasia group, a global political risk consultant, thinks this makes sense for Iran. It may lead to de escalation.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1937167633415082491?s=61
    If they want the off ramp.... they were talking about a 2 year war this morning
    They’ve been promising all sorts of stuff since the Israelis started pounding away at them.

    Never comes to fruition.
    Again, remember Vietnam and Afghanistan who eventually saw off superpowers after years of attrition. And Iran is, even in its weakened state, richer and more powerful than those.

    Trump will be seething at Bibi and the Neocons if they've dragged him into the Middle East quagmire he pledged to avoid.
    Yet the only person he can really be seething at is himself. He’s danced to the neocons and Bibi’s tune.

    What a mug.
    Because its the right tune.

    You apologists who want Iran to have nukes need a new tune.
    You are sounding a bit one-note yourself.
    Just pointless even engaging with him especially when he makes stupid comments like the above.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,266

    Am I the only one who thinks Starmer is doing okay (just okay, not amazing)?

    I'm not so deluded as to think the UK is a world power, or even a major regional one anymore.

    I don't think whomever is in charge could seriously turn things around; whether that be Badenoch, Starmer, Farage, Davey or Denyer.

    We're living in bad times, with bad actors like Trump, Xi, Putin all pretending to be the good guys but doing horrible things, and no one really wants to make the tough choices to stop them, or explain to us that, yep, our economies are so interlinked if Trump fucks up America, he fucks up the world.....

    He's not done anything positive for the UK, has targeted vulnerable groups and is pursuing vindictive and venal policies against businesses, the disabled etc and has utterly failed to smash the gangs
    So, no, I don't think he's doing okay, personally.
    Other views available
    There's the electricity stuff that was announced in the last day or so that seems to have been buried by the Middle East firework show.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,921
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Fox reporting threat to Qatar bases 'imminent'

    Ian Bremmer, of Eurasia group, a global political risk consultant, thinks this makes sense for Iran. It may lead to de escalation.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1937167633415082491?s=61
    If they want the off ramp.... they were talking about a 2 year war this morning
    They’ve been promising all sorts of stuff since the Israelis started pounding away at them.

    Never comes to fruition.
    Again, remember Vietnam and Afghanistan who eventually saw off superpowers after years of attrition. And Iran is, even in its weakened state, richer and more powerful than those.

    Trump will be seething at Bibi and the Neocons if they've dragged him into the Middle East quagmire he pledged to avoid.
    Yet the only person he can really be seething at is himself. He’s danced to the neocons and Bibi’s tune.

    What a mug.
    Because its the right tune.

    You apologists who want Iran to have nukes need a new tune.
    You are sounding a bit one-note yourself.
    Just pointless even engaging with him especially when he makes stupid comments like the above.
    You feel free to engage only with those hyperventilating about WW3 if you like.

    I'll remain grounded in actual facts, facts you can't engage with.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,190

    Sandpit said:

    *de-lurks*

    Is World War III about to kick off?

    *re-lurks*

    Can I plead with you to delurk permanently? The whys and wherefores of the last war seem meaningless compared to the direct realities of this new war. You are far closer than we are and your input to discussions would be very much appreciated.
    Ah but will he be treated with courtesy and respect, or subjected to the usual PB purity test where not holding one view automatically makes you a shill for our enemies ?

    With his personal investment in both Ukraine and the Middle East why subject yourself to it from people thousands of miles away 🤔
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,484
    The small-cocked orange baby isn't going to react calmly to this. Iran has told the world he has a button mushroom instead of a big swinging yankee dick. Trump will hit them back very hard to show the world that he is a manly man's man.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,921
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    *de-lurks*

    Is World War III about to kick off?

    *re-lurks*

    Can I plead with you to delurk permanently? The whys and wherefores of the last war seem meaningless compared to the direct realities of this new war. You are far closer than we are and your input to discussions would be very much appreciated.
    Ah but will he be treated with courtesy and respect, or subjected to the usual PB purity test where not holding one view automatically makes you a shill for our enemies ?

    With his personal investment in both Ukraine and the Middle East why subject yourself to it from people thousands of miles away 🤔
    LOL.

    Do you not get the irony of banging on about a purity test seconds after decreeing that I'd failed your purity test? 🤔
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,921

    The small-cocked orange baby isn't going to react calmly to this. Iran has told the world he has a button mushroom instead of a big swinging yankee dick. Trump will hit them back very hard to show the world that he is a manly man's man.

    Hopefully, but he'll probably return true to form and TACO.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,679
    edited June 23
    moonshine said:

    Amusing to me that anyone is still discussing Starmers track record or England’s target for tomorrow, when all heck is breaking loose

    WWIII is not breaking out. Iran may want a war with someone, but all the others just want it to stay within its borders. The progress made on that front in the past few months has been gigantic. There is no future for Trumpism in continuing the Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq errors, and he doesn't want to. Unless Russia and China decide they want WWIII it isn't happening.

    Under cover of this of course authoritarian Trumpism is being quietly overlooked for now. He could use it as cover to moderate. Wait and see.

    Turning to other matters, the odds are shortening for England at Leeds. Value?
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,190

    Am I the only one who thinks Starmer is doing okay (just okay, not amazing)?

    I'm not so deluded as to think the UK is a world power, or even a major regional one anymore.

    I don't think whomever is in charge could seriously turn things around; whether that be Badenoch, Starmer, Farage, Davey or Denyer.

    We're living in bad times, with bad actors like Trump, Xi, Putin all pretending to be the good guys but doing horrible things, and no one really wants to make the tough choices to stop them, or explain to us that, yep, our economies are so interlinked if Trump fucks up America, he fucks up the world.....

    He's not done anything positive for the UK, has targeted vulnerable groups and is pursuing vindictive and venal policies against businesses, the disabled etc and has utterly failed to smash the gangs
    So, no, I don't think he's doing okay, personally.
    Other views available
    There's the electricity stuff that was announced in the last day or so that seems to have been buried by the Middle East firework show.
    Is that the cheaper energy for business, by 2027 !!

    Businesses that are energy intensive paying alot for their energy have 18 months to wait !
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,677

    The small-cocked orange baby isn't going to react calmly to this. Iran has told the world he has a button mushroom instead of a big swinging yankee dick. Trump will hit them back very hard to show the world that he is a manly man's man.

    "THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!"
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,823
    Kuwait shuts down air base — Sky News.
  • algarkirk said:

    moonshine said:

    Amusing to me that anyone is still discussing Starmers track record or England’s target for tomorrow, when all heck is breaking loose

    WWIII is not breaking out. Iran may want a war with someone, but all the others just want it to stay within its borders. The progress made on that front in the past few months has been gigantic. There is no future for Trumpism in continuing the Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq errors, and he doesn't want to. Unless Russia and China decide they want WWIII it isn't happening.

    Under cover of this of course authoritarian Trumpism is being quietly overlooked for now. He could use it as cover to moderate. Wait and see.

    Turning to other matters, the odds are shortening for England at Leeds. Value?
    I'll say India by 35 runs..looks like a nailbiter that's boiling up nice now though..😏
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,249

    The small-cocked orange baby isn't going to react calmly to this. Iran has told the world he has a button mushroom instead of a big swinging yankee dick. Trump will hit them back very hard to show the world that he is a manly man's man.

    ?

    The Iranians seem to have done a performative dance retaliation - lobbed some missile at empty bases.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,915

    The small-cocked orange baby isn't going to react calmly to this. Iran has told the world he has a button mushroom instead of a big swinging yankee dick. Trump will hit them back very hard to show the world that he is a manly man's man.

    ?

    The Iranians seem to have done a performative dance retaliation - lobbed some missile at empty bases.
    Mind you. If you really wanted to be a bugger in their shoes, perhaps what you’d actually do is telegraph a performative dance retaliation. Do that. And the. Soon after do the real attack.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,823
    edited June 23
    Betfair Exchange

    India 3.8
    England 2.26
    Draw 3.5

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.244792514

    Not sure I agree with these odds. I'd put England a bit more likely than a draw.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,484

    The small-cocked orange baby isn't going to react calmly to this. Iran has told the world he has a button mushroom instead of a big swinging yankee dick. Trump will hit them back very hard to show the world that he is a manly man's man.

    ?

    The Iranians seem to have done a performative dance retaliation - lobbed some missile at empty bases.
    THEY ATTACKED AMERICA.

    The best way that Lord Protector Trump can finally get that Peace Prize which means so much to him is for him to kill as many Iranians as he can.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,995
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    *de-lurks*

    Is World War III about to kick off?

    *re-lurks*

    Can I plead with you to delurk permanently? The whys and wherefores of the last war seem meaningless compared to the direct realities of this new war. You are far closer than we are and your input to discussions would be very much appreciated.
    Ah but will he be treated with courtesy and respect, or subjected to the usual PB purity test where not holding one view automatically makes you a shill for our enemies ?

    With his personal investment in both Ukraine and the Middle East why subject yourself to it from people thousands of miles away 🤔
    Physical location does not matter. Neither does stated attachments.

    You simply cannot support Ukraine and Trump. I treated @Sandpit with courtesy and respect, whilst pointing that out. I often liked his comments, and valued his input. But it did not detract from the fact you simply cannot support Trump and Ukraine.

    If Sandpit would like to tell us how the first ~6 months of Trump's presidency has helped Ukraine, I'd be all ears.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,823
    edited June 23

    The small-cocked orange baby isn't going to react calmly to this. Iran has told the world he has a button mushroom instead of a big swinging yankee dick. Trump will hit them back very hard to show the world that he is a manly man's man.

    Anything that hastens the end of the Iranian regime is a good thing imo.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,040
    I think Farage is making a mistake in presenting creative economic policies that lead to this sort of criticism. It will scare off the voters needed to win. The gap in immigration rhetoric is enough


    John Rentoul’s View from Westminster email

    “Nigel Truss in Liz Farage’s clothing
    Nigel Farage unveiled his plan for a Robin Hood tax and it turned out to be exactly the Truss-style unfunded nonsense we all knew it would be.

    The Reform leader stole The Independent’s name for an idea that we have promoted for some time: reform the non-dom regime to give the globally mobile rich an incentive to live, employ and spend in the UK – a favourable tax treatment that would bring in more revenue than it would give up.

    The key, of course, is to get the balance right between the tax giveaway and raising revenue.

    It goes without saying that Farage’s scheme gets the balance wrong. Dan Neidle, the tax lawyer who is Labour leaning but has been rude about Labour’s tax plans, says the plan would lose £7bn a year. ”


  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,921
    algarkirk said:

    moonshine said:

    Amusing to me that anyone is still discussing Starmers track record or England’s target for tomorrow, when all heck is breaking loose

    WWIII is not breaking out. Iran may want a war with someone, but all the others just want it to stay within its borders. The progress made on that front in the past few months has been gigantic. There is no future for Trumpism in continuing the Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq errors, and he doesn't want to. Unless Russia and China decide they want WWIII it isn't happening.

    Under cover of this of course authoritarian Trumpism is being quietly overlooked for now. He could use it as cover to moderate. Wait and see.

    Turning to other matters, the odds are shortening for England at Leeds. Value?
    Unpopular opinion but Iraq was not a mistake .

    There were mistakes with the war and its aftermath, but removing Saddam was not a mistake.

    22 years later its Iran, whom we didn't invade, that is the one giving us grief, not Iraq whom we did who are much better now without Saddam.

    They're not an idyllic western nation, but for the Middle East, Iraq today isn't too bad. Unlike what it was like under Saddam.

    Regime change in Iran would be a good thing.
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