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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,994

    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear, if this is correct.

    Medvedev : "There are a number of countries ready to supply nuclear warheads to Tehran."

    I know we have collectively on PB the greatest concentration of GeoPolitical analysts in history, so tell me why, PB Brain trust, is he wrong...

    Why wouldn't North Korea sell them a nuke?
    Why would they? They could have done that at any time since getting them
    Cos Iran are now willing to pay their price
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,749

    Leon said:

    Israel and the USA are slowly but ruthlessly dismantling Iran

    #BREAKING Iran media reports 'massive explosion' in Bushehr province, home to nuclear reactor

    I can smell the radiation leak from here
    I’m old enough to remember when attacking (even accidentally on purpose) nuclear plants was a WAR CRIME!
    As you were, that was 1500 miles north of Tehran so an entirely different thing.
    The rules of war and their ever amusing changes of outfit
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,065

    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oops

    @christinalamb

    From foreign minister of Pakistan which had just recommended Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    https://x.com/christinalamb/status/1936779186980446588

    Why on earth was he/they recommending Trump for the Peace Prize?
    Obama got it for bombing Libyans, why not? It has zero meaning anymore
    Unless your initials are DJT.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,693
    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear, if this is correct.

    Medvedev : "There are a number of countries ready to supply nuclear warheads to Tehran."

    I know we have collectively on PB the greatest concentration of GeoPolitical analysts in history, so tell me why, PB Brain trust, is he wrong...

    Why wouldn't North Korea sell them a nuke?
    I presume because the NK nuclear program has delivered less workable warheads than they suggest...

    (Ok, so whilst discussing nuclear war I may have deliberately abused 'programme' and 'fewer' :) Seemed appropriate, but maybe it's just pushing the clock towards doom more firmly!)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,905

    Tres said:

    MattW said:

    Tice:

    https://x.com/TiceRichard/status/1936403403116077166

    My concern here is the rush to a precooked judgement, rather than a desire to know what happened and why.

    reform going strong for the women know your place vote
    Tice is a blithering idiot if he did not realise the RAF has HR managers. Chefs too, and nurses. Even at the height of the second world war, well over half the allied armies reinvading Europe after D-Day were service corp, making sure uniforms got washed and soldiers paid and fed.

    Similarly, most employees of Liverpool Football Club are not footballers.
    Tice is a blithering idiot if he did not realise the RAF has HR managers.

    FTFY.

    They also seem to be losing more Councillors, but I can't be bothered to count on a balmy / barmy Sunday.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,964
    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oops

    @christinalamb

    From foreign minister of Pakistan which had just recommended Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    https://x.com/christinalamb/status/1936779186980446588

    Why on earth was he/they recommending Trump for the Peace Prize?
    Obama got it for bombing Libyans, why not? It has zero meaning anymore
    Netanyahu should get it for preventing proliferation to Iran.
    This place gets madder by the minute.

    A beyond parody post.
    I can say when I think of mean of peace Bibi leaps to mind. But it’s a view.
    (Nervously checks Tom Lehrer's Wikipedia entry.)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,749
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear, if this is correct.

    Medvedev : "There are a number of countries ready to supply nuclear warheads to Tehran."

    I know we have collectively on PB the greatest concentration of GeoPolitical analysts in history, so tell me why, PB Brain trust, is he wrong...

    Why wouldn't North Korea sell them a nuke?
    Why would they? They could have done that at any time since getting them
    Cos Iran are now willing to pay their price
    Have North Korea reduced the price on Temu then?
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,673
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear, if this is correct.

    Medvedev : "There are a number of countries ready to supply nuclear warheads to Tehran."

    I know we have collectively on PB the greatest concentration of GeoPolitical analysts in history, so tell me why, PB Brain trust, is he wrong...

    Why wouldn't North Korea sell them a nuke?
    Why would they? They could have done that at any time since getting them
    Cos Iran are now willing to pay their price
    I'm not sure that's true. NK is above all an exercise in self-preservation for the Kim family. Having their fingerprints on a nuke used in anger by Tehran isn't conducive to that objective.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,889

    Leon said:

    Israel and the USA are slowly but ruthlessly dismantling Iran

    #BREAKING Iran media reports 'massive explosion' in Bushehr province, home to nuclear reactor

    I can smell the radiation leak from here
    I’m old enough to remember when attacking (even accidentally on purpose) nuclear plants was a WAR CRIME!
    As you were, that was 1500 miles north of Tehran so an entirely different thing.
    When are you guys going to understand that international law is more guidelines than actual rules?

    Been saying it here for close to a decade, how much more evidence is needed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,803
    edited June 22
    maxh said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear, if this is correct.

    Medvedev : "There are a number of countries ready to supply nuclear warheads to Tehran."

    I know we have collectively on PB the greatest concentration of GeoPolitical analysts in history, so tell me why, PB Brain trust, is he wrong...

    Why wouldn't North Korea sell them a nuke?
    Why would they? They could have done that at any time since getting them
    Cos Iran are now willing to pay their price
    I'm not sure that's true. NK is above all an exercise in self-preservation for the Kim family. Having their fingerprints on a nuke used in anger by Tehran isn't conducive to that objective.
    The leadership of both NK and Russia live lives of incredible opulence with no sign of that ending anytime soon. They aren't religious fanatics, so why would they want to cause their own premature demise.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,749
    maxh said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear, if this is correct.

    Medvedev : "There are a number of countries ready to supply nuclear warheads to Tehran."

    I know we have collectively on PB the greatest concentration of GeoPolitical analysts in history, so tell me why, PB Brain trust, is he wrong...

    Why wouldn't North Korea sell them a nuke?
    Why would they? They could have done that at any time since getting them
    Cos Iran are now willing to pay their price
    I'm not sure that's true. NK is above all an exercise in self-preservation for the Kim family. Having their fingerprints on a nuke used in anger by Tehran isn't conducive to that objective.
    Quite.
    Conventional ballistics etc yes, i can see them providing those
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,994
    Omnium said:

    I presume because the NK nuclear program has delivered less workable warheads than they suggest...

    maxh said:

    I'm not sure that's true. NK is above all an exercise in self-preservation for the Kim family. Having their fingerprints on a nuke used in anger by Tehran isn't conducive to that objective.

    So here's the potential upside for Kim

    Iran gets to "test" his warheads. Assuming they work, then the RoW knows that he wasn't full of shit

    And as has been discussed on here before, the best way to not get bombed back to the stone age is to have working nukes
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,318
    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear, if this is correct.

    Medvedev : "There are a number of countries ready to supply nuclear warheads to Tehran."

    I know we have collectively on PB the greatest concentration of GeoPolitical analysts in history, so tell me why, PB Brain trust, is he wrong...

    Why wouldn't North Korea sell them a nuke?
    Firstly, North Korea's nuclear program has not been an unallayed success. They didn't need the US or Israel to bomb their facilities, because they managed to blow them up themselves. If North Korea has a deployable nuclear weapon, I would be extremely careful of it.

    Secondly, North Korea is very dependent on the kindness of Beijing for its survival. Proliferating nuclear weapons to Iran would probably result in proliferation first through the Middle East, and ultimately in the Far East. Beijing does not want that.

    Now, if Iran offered enough money... then *maybe* they could buy some suitably enriched uranium. But it would seem to be a risky play.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,553
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear, if this is correct.

    Medvedev : "There are a number of countries ready to supply nuclear warheads to Tehran."

    I know we have collectively on PB the greatest concentration of GeoPolitical analysts in history, so tell me why, PB Brain trust, is he wrong...

    Why wouldn't North Korea sell them a nuke?
    Firstly, North Korea's nuclear program has not been an unallayed success. They didn't need the US or Israel to bomb their facilities, because they managed to blow them up themselves. If North Korea has a deployable nuclear weapon, I would be extremely careful of it.

    Secondly, North Korea is very dependent on the kindness of Beijing for its survival. Proliferating nuclear weapons to Iran would probably result in proliferation first through the Middle East, and ultimately in the Far East. Beijing does not want that.

    Now, if Iran offered enough money... then *maybe* they could buy some suitably enriched uranium. But it would seem to be a risky play.
    Why go to all that trouble when they can be tested in North Korea?
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,613
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Singapore also demonstrates that it is perfectly possible to provide decent (relatively) affordable housing to millions of people on a small island that is growing rapidly.

    Population density is 8,207 people per square kilometer, against 280 in the UK. So it's 30x as dense as here.

    And they have proper jungle and cool night safaris.

    Not sure their housing policy would fly in the UK...Too many insert certain race in this building you can't live there you can only live in that one over there.
    Like Norway, they're big on avoiding ghettoization - although it certainly exists to a certain extent. There are blocks in Singapore that are almost entirely Indian or Bangaldeshi for example.
    There's an entire neighbourhood called Little India, marked as such on maps. The only way to avoid ghettoisation would be to induce non-Indians to move there.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,241
    edited June 22

    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oops

    @christinalamb

    From foreign minister of Pakistan which had just recommended Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    https://x.com/christinalamb/status/1936779186980446588

    Why on earth was he/they recommending Trump for the Peace Prize?
    Obama got it for bombing Libyans, why not? It has zero meaning anymore
    Unless your initials are DJT.
    I was going to say Obama got it for not being George Bush but there has always been more hope than reality in the Nobel Peace Prize. In 2022 it went to Russia and Ukraine, in 2023 for women's rights in Iran, and last year for Japanese survivors working to rid the world of nuclear weapons.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_laureates
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,318
    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    The “Big Four” accountants are cutting jobs and scaling back graduate recruitment programmes as they turn to artificial intelligence (AI) to do entry-level work.

    The professional services giants Deloitte, EY, KPMG and PwC have cut hundreds of roles over the past two years as they seek to keep up £1m payouts to partners in the face of a downturn in the consulting market.

    The cutbacks mean they will take on hundreds fewer school leavers and university graduates compared with in 2023, with AI able to do some of the administrative tasks they would have been given.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/06/22/city-giants-replace-graduate-jobs-with-ai/

    Perhaps they could cut profits from partners rather than just new starters seeking entry level accountancy jobs? If big firms continue like this is it much surprise populist parties of left and right continue to get traction?
    Cutting entry level jobs opens the question of where accountants learn their skills. If they've stopped teaching the basics, where will the next mid-level come from?
    We aren't talking auditors here we are talking business consultants where in the first couple of years they don't do very much as they don't know that much but cost the clients a fortune.
    Same question.

    Look at medicine. Young medics start by doing tasks that could be done by a pot plant or a reasonably bright St John Ambulance cadet – stand there, hold that and if you must faint, try to fall backwards.

    Any industry could doubtless increase efficiency by axing the first rung of the ladder. The question is, who will stand on the second step next year?
    In the short term, brilliant. Cutting the first rung on the ladder saves money and means that people on rings 2 - n don't have to worry so much about youngsters taking their jobs.

    In the longer term, it's a disaster, but who cares about the longer term?

    (Alternatively, it's the "it might be fine for you to do X, but what if everyone else did as well?" question. See those who joyfully spent their youth indulging in sex, drugs and rock'n'roll who now prefer to deny today's youth their pleasures.)
    The obvious answer is: there is no “longer term” for these careers. They are finished
    Graphic design, advertising. The creatives in these industries are screwed now.

    The skill is going to be in how to use AI.

    Already seeing AI ads and last week a Graphic Designer, freelance, was on my Linked with a ‘Desperate’ banner.

    Utterly screwed.

    Get a trade. Provide a service.
    I'm in the middle of marking exam papers (or, rather, cajoling a bunch of markers to mark properly). I would dearly love to substitute my markers for AI.
    The future is using AI to generate exam questions, then kids using AI to get the answers, and then AIs doing the marking for the teachers.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,065
    edited June 22

    Leon said:

    Israel and the USA are slowly but ruthlessly dismantling Iran

    #BREAKING Iran media reports 'massive explosion' in Bushehr province, home to nuclear reactor

    I can smell the radiation leak from here
    I’m old enough to remember when attacking (even accidentally on purpose) nuclear plants was a WAR CRIME!
    As you were, that was 1500 miles north of Tehran so an entirely different thing.
    When are you guys going to understand that international law is more guidelines than actual rules?

    Been saying it here for close to a decade, how much more evidence is needed.
    Have you really been saying this for close to a decade? Have the world statesmen been informed?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,812

    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oops

    @christinalamb

    From foreign minister of Pakistan which had just recommended Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    https://x.com/christinalamb/status/1936779186980446588

    Why on earth was he/they recommending Trump for the Peace Prize?
    Obama got it for bombing Libyans, why not? It has zero meaning anymore
    Unless your initials are DJT.
    I was going to say Obama got it for not being George Bush but there has always been more hope than reality in the Nobel Peace Prize. In 2022 it went to Russia and Ukraine, in 2023 for women's rights in Iran, and last year for Japanese survivors working to rid the world of nuclear weapons.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_laureates
    He got it for being a half-black US president.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,241
    OT it seems more humid today. Up till now it has been too hot but a more bearable dry heat.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,693
    Scott_xP said:

    Omnium said:

    I presume because the NK nuclear program has delivered less workable warheads than they suggest...

    maxh said:

    I'm not sure that's true. NK is above all an exercise in self-preservation for the Kim family. Having their fingerprints on a nuke used in anger by Tehran isn't conducive to that objective.

    So here's the potential upside for Kim

    Iran gets to "test" his warheads. Assuming they work, then the RoW knows that he wasn't full of shit

    And as has been discussed on here before, the best way to not get bombed back to the stone age is to have working nukes
    You rotten so and so. Anyone reading this now might mistake my grandly humorous linguistic horrors to ignorance rather than a fantastically amusing bear-trap. I don't need assistance in the former category.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,295
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Britain could have aspired to be a European Singapore, on a larger scale. Instead we are going to be a European Pakistan, mixed with Argentina pre-Milei

    It is very very sad

    If only we had the same proportion of Muslims in the UK they have in Singapore.
    And they don’t have juries to avoid ethnic loyalties swaying trials.

    Singapore is a living rebuke to woke ideology.
    If you ask me, it's a demonstration that if you deliver clean, safe streets, good education, and economic growth, then you will get reelected.
    ... and if you can deliver the economic growth then the rest of the list gets a lot easier. Unfortunately our economic growth appears to have been lost in the post.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,803
    edited June 22

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Singapore also demonstrates that it is perfectly possible to provide decent (relatively) affordable housing to millions of people on a small island that is growing rapidly.

    Population density is 8,207 people per square kilometer, against 280 in the UK. So it's 30x as dense as here.

    And they have proper jungle and cool night safaris.

    Not sure their housing policy would fly in the UK...Too many insert certain race in this building you can't live there you can only live in that one over there.
    Like Norway, they're big on avoiding ghettoization - although it certainly exists to a certain extent. There are blocks in Singapore that are almost entirely Indian or Bangaldeshi for example.
    There's an entire neighbourhood called Little India, marked as such on maps. The only way to avoid ghettoisation would be to induce non-Indians to move there.
    I stayed there during part of the time I was in Singapore. It is more mixed than you would think from the name. There is a a very small area of maybe 1-2 blocks that appears "Indian" with shops / restaurants (it isn't, it is all sorts of South Asian people) and then you see loads of Chinese, Malay, etc. In the Hawker centre at its heart, it is far from only Indian food and these places are for locals to eat at as much as for tourist to marvel at.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,994
    @atrupar.com‬

    KARL: What do you say to MAGAs who worry we're involved in yet another war in the Middle East?

    VANCE: We are not interested in protracted conflicts, but there's a question about how you achieve peace & we believe you achieve peace through strength

    (He's getting close to saying "war is peace" ... )

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3ls77lokozs27
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,241
    pm215 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Britain could have aspired to be a European Singapore, on a larger scale. Instead we are going to be a European Pakistan, mixed with Argentina pre-Milei

    It is very very sad

    If only we had the same proportion of Muslims in the UK they have in Singapore.
    And they don’t have juries to avoid ethnic loyalties swaying trials.

    Singapore is a living rebuke to woke ideology.
    If you ask me, it's a demonstration that if you deliver clean, safe streets, good education, and economic growth, then you will get reelected.
    ... and if you can deliver the economic growth then the rest of the list gets a lot easier. Unfortunately our economic growth appears to have been lost in the post.
    Lost when they gave the post of Chancellor to George Osborne.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,623

    OT it seems more humid today. Up till now it has been too hot but a more bearable dry heat.

    Where are you, yesterday's heat was rancidly humid in Coventry
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,673
    rcs1000 said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    The “Big Four” accountants are cutting jobs and scaling back graduate recruitment programmes as they turn to artificial intelligence (AI) to do entry-level work.

    The professional services giants Deloitte, EY, KPMG and PwC have cut hundreds of roles over the past two years as they seek to keep up £1m payouts to partners in the face of a downturn in the consulting market.

    The cutbacks mean they will take on hundreds fewer school leavers and university graduates compared with in 2023, with AI able to do some of the administrative tasks they would have been given.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/06/22/city-giants-replace-graduate-jobs-with-ai/

    Perhaps they could cut profits from partners rather than just new starters seeking entry level accountancy jobs? If big firms continue like this is it much surprise populist parties of left and right continue to get traction?
    Cutting entry level jobs opens the question of where accountants learn their skills. If they've stopped teaching the basics, where will the next mid-level come from?
    We aren't talking auditors here we are talking business consultants where in the first couple of years they don't do very much as they don't know that much but cost the clients a fortune.
    Same question.

    Look at medicine. Young medics start by doing tasks that could be done by a pot plant or a reasonably bright St John Ambulance cadet – stand there, hold that and if you must faint, try to fall backwards.

    Any industry could doubtless increase efficiency by axing the first rung of the ladder. The question is, who will stand on the second step next year?
    In the short term, brilliant. Cutting the first rung on the ladder saves money and means that people on rings 2 - n don't have to worry so much about youngsters taking their jobs.

    In the longer term, it's a disaster, but who cares about the longer term?

    (Alternatively, it's the "it might be fine for you to do X, but what if everyone else did as well?" question. See those who joyfully spent their youth indulging in sex, drugs and rock'n'roll who now prefer to deny today's youth their pleasures.)
    The obvious answer is: there is no “longer term” for these careers. They are finished
    Graphic design, advertising. The creatives in these industries are screwed now.

    The skill is going to be in how to use AI.

    Already seeing AI ads and last week a Graphic Designer, freelance, was on my Linked with a ‘Desperate’ banner.

    Utterly screwed.

    Get a trade. Provide a service.
    I'm in the middle of marking exam papers (or, rather, cajoling a bunch of markers to mark properly). I would dearly love to substitute my markers for AI.
    The future is using AI to generate exam questions, then kids using AI to get the answers, and then AIs doing the marking for the teachers.

    Nah not (yet) generating exam questions. They still spout too much nonsense maths for that to work. Marking exam papers, though is so poorly paid (sub minimum wage if done properly) that human errors marking at speed probably eclipse AI errors.

    As for the students actually doing the questions using AI, I think that's probably the main reason exams are still done on paper. It's archaic.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,065

    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oops

    @christinalamb

    From foreign minister of Pakistan which had just recommended Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    https://x.com/christinalamb/status/1936779186980446588

    Why on earth was he/they recommending Trump for the Peace Prize?
    Obama got it for bombing Libyans, why not? It has zero meaning anymore
    Unless your initials are DJT.
    I was going to say Obama got it for not being George Bush but there has always been more hope than reality in the Nobel Peace Prize. In 2022 it went to Russia and Ukraine, in 2023 for women's rights in Iran, and last year for Japanese survivors working to rid the world of nuclear weapons.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_laureates
    He got it for being a half-black US president.
    And the bastards won’t even award it to a fully orange US president. No justice.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,994
    @ianbremmer

    the united states is not at war with iran. it’s more of a special military operation.

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1936779174489784723
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,562
    MattW said:

    Tres said:

    MattW said:

    Tice:

    https://x.com/TiceRichard/status/1936403403116077166

    My concern here is the rush to a precooked judgement, rather than a desire to know what happened and why.

    reform going strong for the women know your place vote
    Tice is a blithering idiot if he did not realise the RAF has HR managers. Chefs too, and nurses. Even at the height of the second world war, well over half the allied armies reinvading Europe after D-Day were service corp, making sure uniforms got washed and soldiers paid and fed.

    Similarly, most employees of Liverpool Football Club are not footballers.
    Tice is a blithering idiot if he did not realise the RAF has HR managers.

    FTFY.

    They also seem to be losing more Councillors, but I can't be bothered to count on a balmy / barmy Sunday.
    He knows it very well. He's just serving up the sort of braindead shit that Fukker voters and potential voters like without necessarily believing it himself.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,773
    Andy_JS said:

    Brook you idiot. 99.

    99 is very special. It's much less common than a century.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,562
    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    KARL: What do you say to MAGAs who worry we're involved in yet another war in the Middle East?

    VANCE: We are not interested in protracted conflicts, but there's a question about how you achieve peace & we believe you achieve peace through strength

    (He's getting close to saying "war is peace" ... )

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3ls77lokozs27

    Who is this 'atrupar' c-nt? And why do we have to read every fucking word he skeets?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,985
    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear, if this is correct.

    Medvedev : "There are a number of countries ready to supply nuclear warheads to Tehran."

    I know we have collectively on PB the greatest concentration of GeoPolitical analysts in history, so tell me why, PB Brain trust, is he wrong...

    Why wouldn't North Korea sell them a nuke?
    Because if Iran was to get a nuke, they would have to 'prove' they had one; they would not be able to use Israel's current implausible deniability. This would mean either the supplier saying: "Yes, we gave Iran a nuke," or an Iranian test.

    And both of these have severe consequences for both Iran and the provider, as it is possible to know where nuclear material came from.

    Also, if the Iranians did use a nuke, the providing country may be seen as culpable in its use, and would risk receiving its own dose of instant sunshine in return, if Iran used it. Finally, the Iranian regime are not exactly reliable, and the supplying country could not be sure that, in a decade's time, the Iranian regime used it at a target against their interests. After all, Iran has many enemies. Which would probably mean ensuring the weapons remained under their control in Iran. And that leads to other complexities, like having to have airbases in Iran.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,693
    rcs1000 said:

    maxh said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    The “Big Four” accountants are cutting jobs and scaling back graduate recruitment programmes as they turn to artificial intelligence (AI) to do entry-level work.

    The professional services giants Deloitte, EY, KPMG and PwC have cut hundreds of roles over the past two years as they seek to keep up £1m payouts to partners in the face of a downturn in the consulting market.

    The cutbacks mean they will take on hundreds fewer school leavers and university graduates compared with in 2023, with AI able to do some of the administrative tasks they would have been given.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/06/22/city-giants-replace-graduate-jobs-with-ai/

    Perhaps they could cut profits from partners rather than just new starters seeking entry level accountancy jobs? If big firms continue like this is it much surprise populist parties of left and right continue to get traction?
    Cutting entry level jobs opens the question of where accountants learn their skills. If they've stopped teaching the basics, where will the next mid-level come from?
    We aren't talking auditors here we are talking business consultants where in the first couple of years they don't do very much as they don't know that much but cost the clients a fortune.
    Same question.

    Look at medicine. Young medics start by doing tasks that could be done by a pot plant or a reasonably bright St John Ambulance cadet – stand there, hold that and if you must faint, try to fall backwards.

    Any industry could doubtless increase efficiency by axing the first rung of the ladder. The question is, who will stand on the second step next year?
    In the short term, brilliant. Cutting the first rung on the ladder saves money and means that people on rings 2 - n don't have to worry so much about youngsters taking their jobs.

    In the longer term, it's a disaster, but who cares about the longer term?

    (Alternatively, it's the "it might be fine for you to do X, but what if everyone else did as well?" question. See those who joyfully spent their youth indulging in sex, drugs and rock'n'roll who now prefer to deny today's youth their pleasures.)
    The obvious answer is: there is no “longer term” for these careers. They are finished
    Graphic design, advertising. The creatives in these industries are screwed now.

    The skill is going to be in how to use AI.

    Already seeing AI ads and last week a Graphic Designer, freelance, was on my Linked with a ‘Desperate’ banner.

    Utterly screwed.

    Get a trade. Provide a service.
    I'm in the middle of marking exam papers (or, rather, cajoling a bunch of markers to mark properly). I would dearly love to substitute my markers for AI.
    The future is using AI to generate exam questions, then kids using AI to get the answers, and then AIs doing the marking for the teachers.

    There is a degree of peril in that we might at some point not be entirely sure what's true or false. Clearly that's always been somewhat the case, but the extent of jeopardy to anything like an accepted truth is pretty high.

    The more crap AI pumps out the more crap the learning sets become, and the even more fanciful the AIs.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,994
    Dura_Ace said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    KARL: What do you say to MAGAs who worry we're involved in yet another war in the Middle East?

    VANCE: We are not interested in protracted conflicts, but there's a question about how you achieve peace & we believe you achieve peace through strength

    (He's getting close to saying "war is peace" ... )

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3ls77lokozs27

    Who is this 'atrupar' c-nt? And why do we have to read every fucking word he skeets?
    You don't have to read any of it, but he posts clips of US TV. The words are actually spoken by the dipshits currently in office
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,994
    @atrupar.com‬

    WELKER: Does the United States support Israel killing Iran's leader?

    JD VANCE: Well look, that's up to the Israelis

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3ls7b7potjt2p
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,994

    Also, if the Iranians did use a nuke, the providing country may be seen as culpable in its use, and would risk receiving its own dose of instant sunshine in return, if Iran used it.

    That's a key point the other way though. The only countries not getting bombed have nukes
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,889

    Leon said:

    Israel and the USA are slowly but ruthlessly dismantling Iran

    #BREAKING Iran media reports 'massive explosion' in Bushehr province, home to nuclear reactor

    I can smell the radiation leak from here
    I’m old enough to remember when attacking (even accidentally on purpose) nuclear plants was a WAR CRIME!
    As you were, that was 1500 miles north of Tehran so an entirely different thing.
    When are you guys going to understand that international law is more guidelines than actual rules?

    Been saying it here for close to a decade, how much more evidence is needed.
    Have you really been saying this for close to a decade? Have the world statesmen been informed?
    Most world statesmen are already fully aware that international law is more guidelines than actual rules. Certainly our enemies are.

    The number of enemy statesmen who say "I'd want to do this, but international law says no, so nevermind" is zero.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,994
    Why did Trump bomb Iran? Vibes, man...

    @atrupar.com‬

    WELKER: Do you and President Trump trust the US intelligence community and its assessments?

    JD VANCE: Of course we trust our intelligence community, but we also trust our instincts

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3ls7bk7fzjo22
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,693
    Completely destroyed, overwhelmingly damaged, severely damaged....

    Trump killed two innocent Iranian sheep didn't he?


    (His original statement was made way before any assessment could have been made. What a Trump)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,812
    Scott_xP said:

    Also, if the Iranians did use a nuke, the providing country may be seen as culpable in its use, and would risk receiving its own dose of instant sunshine in return, if Iran used it.

    That's a key point the other way though. The only countries not getting bombed have nukes
    Russia is getting bombed.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,600
    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,144
    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian Parliament has voted to close it.

    Final decision with Khamenei

    The economic havoc it will wreak will be worth it to keep Bibi out of jail 👍

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1936787351620985340?s=61
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,985
    Scott_xP said:

    Also, if the Iranians did use a nuke, the providing country may be seen as culpable in its use, and would risk receiving its own dose of instant sunshine in return, if Iran used it.

    That's a key point the other way though. The only countries not getting bombed have nukes
    Pakistan and India bombed each other a few weeks back, and both are nuclear powers. Ukraine is bombing Russia. Iranian proxies have been sending missiles into Israel for years.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,749
    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,144
    Dura_Ace said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    KARL: What do you say to MAGAs who worry we're involved in yet another war in the Middle East?

    VANCE: We are not interested in protracted conflicts, but there's a question about how you achieve peace & we believe you achieve peace through strength

    (He's getting close to saying "war is peace" ... )

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3ls77lokozs27

    Who is this 'atrupar' c-nt? And why do we have to read every fucking word he skeets?
    I blocked him on Twitter as I see all his tweets here.

    I’m so excited to see what he has to say this week. I bets it’s not good for Trump.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,149
    edited June 22
    Scott_xP said:

    Oops

    @christinalamb

    From foreign minister of Pakistan which had just recommended Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

    https://x.com/christinalamb/status/1936779186980446588

    You're suggesting irony isn't dead, after all?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,126
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian Parliament has voted to close it.

    Final decision with Khamenei

    The economic havoc it will wreak will be worth it to keep Bibi out of jail 👍

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1936787351620985340?s=61
    It’s not obvious why or even how they shut it

    1. It’s the main route for Iranian oil exports - so it is economically self-harming even as the regime totters. Dangerous

    2. It will antagonise every other country in the area. esp Gulf States, plus Saudi, etc

    3. It won’t hurt America much. America doesn’t need gulf oil

    Iran is impotent and defenceless right now
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,318
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian Parliament has voted to close it.

    Final decision with Khamenei

    The economic havoc it will wreak will be worth it to keep Bibi out of jail 👍

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1936787351620985340?s=61
    That would be a very major escalation by Iran, that would send crude prices spiralling higher.

    It would have very severe economic consequences, particularly on countries which are highly dependent on fossil fuels. (Lots of gas comes that way from Qatar too,of course.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,318
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian Parliament has voted to close it.

    Final decision with Khamenei

    The economic havoc it will wreak will be worth it to keep Bibi out of jail 👍

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1936787351620985340?s=61
    It’s not obvious why or even how they shut it

    1. It’s the main route for Iranian oil exports - so it is economically self-harming even as the regime totters. Dangerous

    2. It will antagonise every other country in the area. esp Gulf States, plus Saudi, etc

    3. It won’t hurt America much. America doesn’t need gulf oil

    Iran is impotent and defenceless right now
    It would send oil prices higher in the US, basically Texas would benefit, and Florida would lose out.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,419
    edited June 22
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear, if this is correct.

    Medvedev : "There are a number of countries ready to supply nuclear warheads to Tehran."

    I know we have collectively on PB the greatest concentration of GeoPolitical analysts in history, so tell me why, PB Brain trust, is he wrong...

    Why wouldn't North Korea sell them a nuke?
    Firstly, North Korea's nuclear program has not been an unallayed success. They didn't need the US or Israel to bomb their facilities, because they managed to blow them up themselves. If North Korea has a deployable nuclear weapon, I would be extremely careful of it.

    Secondly, North Korea is very dependent on the kindness of Beijing for its survival. Proliferating nuclear weapons to Iran would probably result in proliferation first through the Middle East, and ultimately in the Far East. Beijing does not want that.

    Now, if Iran offered enough money... then *maybe* they could buy some suitably enriched uranium. But it would seem to be a risky play.
    I think people overplay the extent to which North Korea is reliant on China. I don't think it was in China's interests for North Korea to have their own nuclear weapons, for example. And now NK is less reliant on China because Russia is buying North Korean weapons for the war in Ukraine.

    That said, I think it's highly unlikely NK would give up any of its warheads. They don't have that many, and Iran would need more than one.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,749
    England nine down but only 11 adrift
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,416
    maxh said:

    malcolmg said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Not terribly surprised by the morning's news. One can argue it's a good argument for non-proliferation but I don't recall American planes bombing Indian, Pakistani and North Korean let alone Israeli nuclear production facilities.

    I suppose it comes down to the truth you have to be a particular class of lunatic to be afforded the privilege of being denied nuclear weapons by force.

    I'm musing more on the domestic political impact. While the pro-Palestine groups continue to agitate in parts of the country (my part of London as an example), I've not yet seen a big upswing in activity directly resulting from the conflict between Israel and Iran - that might change with the overt US intervention.

    It will continue to perpetuate the other current schism in UK politics - not the one on the so-called "Right" but the one on the so-called "Left" between Labour and a coalition of young Muslim voters and former pro-Corbyn supporters. The latter are more interesting at a local level as they have been campaigning strongly and effectively on the failings of London Labour Councils and may well capture a number of seats at the next London locals next year.

    You make a very important point that the right will support Trump's actions, but the left will be in turmoil

    Even before last night we had the left on manoeuvres to coalesce around Corbyn over the proposal to prescribe the PLA, a real rebellion over the benefit reductions, and now this

    Where this goes for Starmer is highly unpredictable
    I would never regard myself as on either the "right" or the "left" to be honest but I see more advantages for the region and the world in a non-nuclear Iran than a nuclear Iran.

    That being said, regime change isn't a policy option for me - the Iranians themselves are the only ones who should decide what kind of Government under which they wish to live whether it ber theocracy, democracy or monarchy or some combination of all three.

    Iran also has the right to defend itself and we should respect its territorial integrity and independence just as it must respect everyone else's.

    How this plays out longer term I don't know - it will harden the resolve of those on the "left" who are opposed to the current incarnation of Labour and will see it as mark 2 Blairism but that politics electorally was pretty successful domestically.
    I generally agree with your point. However, the Iranian people *cannot* decide what kind of government they live under: they do not get to vote for the supreme leader, or members of the ruling council. And they never will get that choice until there is a regime change.
    Yes but the question is does a changed regime have legitimacy if the change is imposed by an external power or does it have legitimacy if it is facilitated by an external power?

    There's a crucial difference - the Iranian people changing their own regime is one thing - I'd welcome it, most on here would and, if following some transitional period, they chose their next Government via a free and fair election, I'm sure, whatever that Government looked like, we would support it as a legitimate Government even if we didn't necessarily agree with all its policies.

    If, however, the regime was seen to have been toppled from outside, any new Government would be tainted by that action and would lack popular legitimacy and, I suspect, would likely lose any election held because people like to be seen to be making their own decisions and running their own affairs as we apparently showed nine years ago.

    Just as an aside, the theorcratic revolution in 1979 was widely supported within Iran as people at that time wanted an end to the rule of the Shah and the infamous SAVAK secret police.
    They should have been careful what they wished for.
    Let's have you live under a SAVAK-like secret police for a few years and see if you're still up to posting entitled bullshit on an internet forum.
    F off you wimpy loser
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,209
    Pulpstar said:

    OT it seems more humid today. Up till now it has been too hot but a more bearable dry heat.

    Where are you, yesterday's heat was rancidly humid in Coventry
    Same here in NE. Pleasant breeze today. Much cooler.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,994

    Iran would need more than one.

    Not if they detonate it in Jerusalem
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,553
    Scott_xP said:

    Iran would need more than one.

    Not if they detonate it in Jerusalem
    And why would an Islamic theocracy do that?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,749
    edited June 22
    Scott_xP said:

    Iran would need more than one.

    Not if they detonate it in Jerusalem
    Not a chance. And destroy some of Islam's holiest sites?!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,209
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian Parliament has voted to close it.

    Final decision with Khamenei

    The economic havoc it will wreak will be worth it to keep Bibi out of jail 👍

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1936787351620985340?s=61
    It’s not obvious why or even how they shut it

    1. It’s the main route for Iranian oil exports - so it is economically self-harming even as the regime totters. Dangerous

    2. It will antagonise every other country in the area. esp Gulf States, plus Saudi, etc

    3. It won’t hurt America much. America doesn’t need gulf oil

    Iran is impotent and defenceless right now
    Because the price of gas is literally the only weapon anyone has which works on the USA.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,398
    We have no idea what the damage assessment will conclude but inevitably if you want to look for claims they had barely any effect, you will find it over the next week or so.

    The reality is its done some damage and if you render the locations inoperable, it doesn't matter if the walls are standing or not. We will just have to see.

    Those who will trumpet off the fact that the Iranians moved fissile material offside miss the point. If you don't have tools to work with it, it's worth very little and you need a LOT of tools. The Iranians have not got fully fledged redundancy of their weapons programme.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,985
    Scott_xP said:

    Iran would need more than one.

    Not if they detonate it in Jerusalem
    Yeah, an Islamic country detonating a nuclear weapon in Islam's third-holiest city would be *really* good for Iranian relations with their coreligionists...
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,693
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian Parliament has voted to close it.

    Final decision with Khamenei

    The economic havoc it will wreak will be worth it to keep Bibi out of jail 👍

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1936787351620985340?s=61
    It’s not obvious why or even how they shut it

    1. It’s the main route for Iranian oil exports - so it is economically self-harming even as the regime totters. Dangerous

    2. It will antagonise every other country in the area. esp Gulf States, plus Saudi, etc

    3. It won’t hurt America much. America doesn’t need gulf oil

    Iran is impotent and defenceless right now
    Small gunboats is the how. Very hard to deal with those.

    If your friends are China and Russia, and they're peering in for opportunity creating a little chaos is a win.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,398
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian Parliament has voted to close it.

    Final decision with Khamenei

    The economic havoc it will wreak will be worth it to keep Bibi out of jail 👍

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1936787351620985340?s=61
    That would be a very major escalation by Iran, that would send crude prices spiralling higher.

    It would have very severe economic consequences, particularly on countries which are highly dependent on fossil fuels. (Lots of gas comes that way from Qatar too,of course.)
    Whilst I agree about the consequences it aeems odd to me to claim that closing the Straits of Hormuz is considered an escalation from a point where people are already bombing the shit out of each other.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,144

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Premarkets open in a few hours. We will see the impact of this news then.

    It will be what it will be. In the long term it will all be fine or we will all be dead in a nuclear war.

    On the plus side Bibi avoids jail time. So a price worth paying.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,615
    Well I did forecast a deficit. Excellent effort by the tail though.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,623
    edited June 22

    Scott_xP said:

    Iran would need more than one.

    Not if they detonate it in Jerusalem
    Yeah, an Islamic country detonating a nuclear weapon in Islam's third-holiest city would be *really* good for Iranian relations with their coreligionists...
    You're right, Tel Aviv would make more sense as a target.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,419
    edited June 22
    Scott_xP said:

    Iran would need more than one.

    Not if they detonate it in Jerusalem
    They would need to have plenty more to deter nuclear retaliation. If their intent was mutually assured destruction, then they'd need a few more to annihilate Israel.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,797
    England dismissed just 6 short.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,749
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Premarkets open in a few hours. We will see the impact of this news then.

    It will be what it will be. In the long term it will all be fine or we will all be dead in a nuclear war.

    On the plus side Bibi avoids jail time. So a price worth paying.
    We won't all be dead in a nuclear war. A lot of us, yes, but by no means all
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,985
    Yokes said:

    We have no idea what the damage assessment will conclude but inevitably if you want to look for claims they had barely any effect, you will find it over the next week or so.

    The reality is its done some damage and if you render the locations inoperable, it doesn't matter if the walls are standing or not. We will just have to see.

    Those who will trumpet off the fact that the Iranians moved fissile material offside miss the point. If you don't have tools to work with it, it's worth very little and you need a LOT of tools. The Iranians have not got fully fledged redundancy of their weapons programme.

    And many of those tools (i.e. machines) will be hard to move, especially quickly, and will also be very sensitive to shock damage.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,749
    One innings shoot out then
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,387
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian Parliament has voted to close it.

    Final decision with Khamenei

    The economic havoc it will wreak will be worth it to keep Bibi out of jail 👍

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1936787351620985340?s=61
    It’s not obvious why or even how they shut it

    1. It’s the main route for Iranian oil exports - so it is economically self-harming even as the regime totters. Dangerous

    2. It will antagonise every other country in the area. esp Gulf States, plus Saudi, etc

    3. It won’t hurt America much. America doesn’t need gulf oil

    Iran is impotent and defenceless right now
    Small gunboats is the how. Very hard to deal with those.

    If your friends are China and Russia, and they're peering in for opportunity creating a little chaos is a win.
    Russia is very happy to see the Hormuz Strait closed. China I suspect would be less happy.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,416

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Time to give them a real doing.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,318
    Cookie said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian Parliament has voted to close it.

    Final decision with Khamenei

    The economic havoc it will wreak will be worth it to keep Bibi out of jail 👍

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1936787351620985340?s=61
    It’s not obvious why or even how they shut it

    1. It’s the main route for Iranian oil exports - so it is economically self-harming even as the regime totters. Dangerous

    2. It will antagonise every other country in the area. esp Gulf States, plus Saudi, etc

    3. It won’t hurt America much. America doesn’t need gulf oil

    Iran is impotent and defenceless right now
    Small gunboats is the how. Very hard to deal with those.

    If your friends are China and Russia, and they're peering in for opportunity creating a little chaos is a win.
    Russia is very happy to see the Hormuz Strait closed. China I suspect would be less happy.
    Indeed: it would be mana from heaven for the Russian economy.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,419

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian Parliament has voted to close it.

    Final decision with Khamenei

    The economic havoc it will wreak will be worth it to keep Bibi out of jail 👍

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1936787351620985340?s=61
    That would be a very major escalation by Iran, that would send crude prices spiralling higher.

    It would have very severe economic consequences, particularly on countries which are highly dependent on fossil fuels. (Lots of gas comes that way from Qatar too,of course.)
    Whilst I agree about the consequences it aeems odd to me to claim that closing the Straits of Hormuz is considered an escalation from a point where people are already bombing the shit out of each other.
    I'd be surprised if the Straits are not closed now. If not now, then when?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,318

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Premarkets open in a few hours. We will see the impact of this news then.

    It will be what it will be. In the long term it will all be fine or we will all be dead in a nuclear war.

    On the plus side Bibi avoids jail time. So a price worth paying.
    We won't all be dead in a nuclear war. A lot of us, yes, but by no means all
    Well that's a relief.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,749
    malcolmg said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Time to give them a real doing.
    Iran just announced a night like no other is coming tonight (for the 7th time this week)
    Absolute pussy cats 🐈
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,019

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Premarkets open in a few hours. We will see the impact of this news then.

    It will be what it will be. In the long term it will all be fine or we will all be dead in a nuclear war.

    On the plus side Bibi avoids jail time. So a price worth paying.
    We won't all be dead in a nuclear war. A lot of us, yes, but by no means all
    Glass half full innit.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,994
    @atrupar.com‬

    BRENNAN: Why would Iran agree to any peace deal if the US has already pulled out of one that they had, as President Trump did in 2018, and now launched surprise attacks?

    RUBIO: The ones that shouldn't be trusted are the Iranians

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3ls7czxdyx624
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,749

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian Parliament has voted to close it.

    Final decision with Khamenei

    The economic havoc it will wreak will be worth it to keep Bibi out of jail 👍

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1936787351620985340?s=61
    That would be a very major escalation by Iran, that would send crude prices spiralling higher.

    It would have very severe economic consequences, particularly on countries which are highly dependent on fossil fuels. (Lots of gas comes that way from Qatar too,of course.)
    Whilst I agree about the consequences it aeems odd to me to claim that closing the Straits of Hormuz is considered an escalation from a point where people are already bombing the shit out of each other.
    I'd be surprised if the Straits are not closed now. If not now, then when?
    They are effectively, the order has been given. If they are really serious they'll mine them
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,797

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Premarkets open in a few hours. We will see the impact of this news then.

    It will be what it will be. In the long term it will all be fine or we will all be dead in a nuclear war.

    On the plus side Bibi avoids jail time. So a price worth paying.
    We won't all be dead in a nuclear war. A lot of us, yes, but by no means all
    On the bright side, it'll be a great time to listen to Two Tribes by Frankie Goes To Hollywood.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,144

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Premarkets open in a few hours. We will see the impact of this news then.

    It will be what it will be. In the long term it will all be fine or we will all be dead in a nuclear war.

    On the plus side Bibi avoids jail time. So a price worth paying.
    We won't all be dead in a nuclear war. A lot of us, yes, but by no means all
    Well after the nuclear war I doubt I’ll be here to waste what little time remains arguing the toss with tedious pedants.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,749

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Premarkets open in a few hours. We will see the impact of this news then.

    It will be what it will be. In the long term it will all be fine or we will all be dead in a nuclear war.

    On the plus side Bibi avoids jail time. So a price worth paying.
    We won't all be dead in a nuclear war. A lot of us, yes, but by no means all
    Glass half full innit.
    I'm poor anyway, might as well be poor and shiny
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,318
    Yokes said:

    We have no idea what the damage assessment will conclude but inevitably if you want to look for claims they had barely any effect, you will find it over the next week or so.

    The reality is its done some damage and if you render the locations inoperable, it doesn't matter if the walls are standing or not. We will just have to see.

    Those who will trumpet off the fact that the Iranians moved fissile material offside miss the point. If you don't have tools to work with it, it's worth very little and you need a LOT of tools. The Iranians have not got fully fledged redundancy of their weapons programme.

    Sure, they'll need to get hundreds of centrifuges if they wish to restart enrichment.

    But so long as they still have 450kg of 60+% U235, then they won't be starting from scratch.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,144

    malcolmg said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Time to give them a real doing.
    Iran just announced a night like no other is coming tonight (for the 7th time this week)
    Absolute pussy cats 🐈
    They’ve hired Shalamar.

    https://youtu.be/Qwvf2ilsogo?si=cqMsO6yVGZsP0Mqd
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,652
    Total global markets meltdown tomorrow if Straight of Hormuz closure is confirmed?

    Also huge bond market collapse as inflation hence interest rate expectations soar??

    😡😡😡
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,994

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian Parliament has voted to close it.

    Final decision with Khamenei

    The economic havoc it will wreak will be worth it to keep Bibi out of jail 👍

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1936787351620985340?s=61
    That would be a very major escalation by Iran, that would send crude prices spiralling higher.

    It would have very severe economic consequences, particularly on countries which are highly dependent on fossil fuels. (Lots of gas comes that way from Qatar too,of course.)
    Whilst I agree about the consequences it aeems odd to me to claim that closing the Straits of Hormuz is considered an escalation from a point where people are already bombing the shit out of each other.
    I'd be surprised if the Straits are not closed now. If not now, then when?
    They are effectively, the order has been given. If they are really serious they'll mine them
    Rubio says that would be suicidal
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,144
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Premarkets open in a few hours. We will see the impact of this news then.

    It will be what it will be. In the long term it will all be fine or we will all be dead in a nuclear war.

    On the plus side Bibi avoids jail time. So a price worth paying.
    We won't all be dead in a nuclear war. A lot of us, yes, but by no means all
    Well that's a relief.
    I’m going to dig out my old copy of ‘Protect and Survive’
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,223
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian Parliament has voted to close it.

    Final decision with Khamenei

    The economic havoc it will wreak will be worth it to keep Bibi out of jail 👍

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1936787351620985340?s=61
    It’s not obvious why or even how they shut it

    1. It’s the main route for Iranian oil exports - so it is economically self-harming even as the regime totters. Dangerous

    2. It will antagonise every other country in the area. esp Gulf States, plus Saudi, etc

    3. It won’t hurt America much. America doesn’t need gulf oil

    Iran is impotent and defenceless right now
    Small gunboats is the how. Very hard to deal with those.

    If your friends are China and Russia, and they're peering in for opportunity creating a little chaos is a win.
    I worked with a Norwegian ex-tanker captain at one point.

    Known for, during the 80s Tanker War, of dealing with an Iranian Boghammar patrol boat that threatened his tanker (including shots across the bow).

    He had the helm put hard over. At 15 knots, quarter-million ton tankers don’t turn, so much as slide sideways.

    The Iranians caught the side of the tanker.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,749
    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Time to give them a real doing.
    Iran just announced a night like no other is coming tonight (for the 7th time this week)
    Absolute pussy cats 🐈
    They’ve hired Shalamar.

    https://youtu.be/Qwvf2ilsogo?si=cqMsO6yVGZsP0Mqd
    They are basing their war on 80s disco. The rascals
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,501
    If Trump wants his historical legacy, evaporating ten million Tehranians would presumably measure up.

    I wouldn't want that to be my legacy, but a forever place in history is a forever place in history.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,144

    Total global markets meltdown tomorrow if Straight of Hormuz closure is confirmed?

    Also huge bond market collapse as inflation hence interest rate expectations soar??

    😡😡😡

    Keep an eye here.

    https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,797
    RIP Syd Lawrence.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,749
    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Premarkets open in a few hours. We will see the impact of this news then.

    It will be what it will be. In the long term it will all be fine or we will all be dead in a nuclear war.

    On the plus side Bibi avoids jail time. So a price worth paying.
    We won't all be dead in a nuclear war. A lot of us, yes, but by no means all
    Well that's a relief.
    I’m going to dig out my old copy of ‘Protect and Survive’
    The videos are available on YouTube. Like the Charlie Says public information films but with radiation and stoicism
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,797
    edited June 22
    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Premarkets open in a few hours. We will see the impact of this news then.

    It will be what it will be. In the long term it will all be fine or we will all be dead in a nuclear war.

    On the plus side Bibi avoids jail time. So a price worth paying.
    We won't all be dead in a nuclear war. A lot of us, yes, but by no means all
    Well that's a relief.
    I’m going to dig out my old copy of ‘Protect and Survive’
    "Mine is the last voice you will ever hear. Don't be alarmed."
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,144

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Time to give them a real doing.
    Iran just announced a night like no other is coming tonight (for the 7th time this week)
    Absolute pussy cats 🐈
    They’ve hired Shalamar.

    https://youtu.be/Qwvf2ilsogo?si=cqMsO6yVGZsP0Mqd
    They are basing their war on 80s disco. The rascals
    Late seventies early eighties disco was peak music.

    War to a track with 110BPM 👍
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,749
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Premarkets open in a few hours. We will see the impact of this news then.

    It will be what it will be. In the long term it will all be fine or we will all be dead in a nuclear war.

    On the plus side Bibi avoids jail time. So a price worth paying.
    We won't all be dead in a nuclear war. A lot of us, yes, but by no means all
    Well after the nuclear war I doubt I’ll be here to waste what little time remains arguing the toss with tedious pedants.
    Then, finally, I shall be peebee king. Glory to Woolie
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,144

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian Parliament has voted to close it.

    Final decision with Khamenei

    The economic havoc it will wreak will be worth it to keep Bibi out of jail 👍

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1936787351620985340?s=61
    That would be a very major escalation by Iran, that would send crude prices spiralling higher.

    It would have very severe economic consequences, particularly on countries which are highly dependent on fossil fuels. (Lots of gas comes that way from Qatar too,of course.)
    Whilst I agree about the consequences it aeems odd to me to claim that closing the Straits of Hormuz is considered an escalation from a point where people are already bombing the shit out of each other.
    I'd be surprised if the Straits are not closed now. If not now, then when?
    They are effectively, the order has been given. If they are really serious they'll mine them
    The Iranian Parliament are the militant wing of Just Stop Oil.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,144

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Premarkets open in a few hours. We will see the impact of this news then.

    It will be what it will be. In the long term it will all be fine or we will all be dead in a nuclear war.

    On the plus side Bibi avoids jail time. So a price worth paying.
    We won't all be dead in a nuclear war. A lot of us, yes, but by no means all
    Well that's a relief.
    I’m going to dig out my old copy of ‘Protect and Survive’
    The videos are available on YouTube. Like the Charlie Says public information films but with radiation and stoicism
    Apparently Kenny Everett was the ‘voice’ of Charlie. How’s about that, then !
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,146
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    After Covid , and Ukraine the world was hoping for less drama . Instead we got Trump again , Netenyahus genocide and now a possibility that things unravel further after the US got involved with Iran.

    If the Straits of Hormuz are shut then oil prices will spike causing a further hit to growth and spiking inflation .

    Trump seems to be actively working against the UK and yet the country is expected to roll out the red carpet for another state visit !

    Iranian parliament has already approved closing it, its with the supreme national council to action. Al Jazzy reporting it will now happen.
    Oil should be over 100 dollars a barrel by morning
    Premarkets open in a few hours. We will see the impact of this news then.

    It will be what it will be. In the long term it will all be fine or we will all be dead in a nuclear war.

    On the plus side Bibi avoids jail time. So a price worth paying.
    We won't all be dead in a nuclear war. A lot of us, yes, but by no means all
    Well that's a relief.
    I’m going to dig out my old copy of ‘Protect and Survive’
    The videos are available on YouTube. Like the Charlie Says public information films but with radiation and stoicism
    Apparently Kenny Everett was the ‘voice’ of Charlie. How’s about that, then !
    Really? The early Prodigy used that as a sample, but I'm not sure the song surfaced much during the Keith years.
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