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  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,210

    Nigelb said:

    Not an imperialist...

    Putin: "We have this old rule: wherever a Russian soldier sets foot, it's ours."
    https://x.com/PolymarketIntel/status/1936095773315268979

    There's no compromising with the current Russian war aims. There's only two options. Win. Or lose.

    So we'd better get on with working out what we need to do to win and then do that.
    The trouble is there is no real way Russia can lose, provided they are willing to keep going. If it comes down to a war of resources, Russia simply has more men to throw into the meat-grinder.

    In the United States, GOP isolationists are just as opposed to intervening in Ukraine as in Iran. China could step up but is probably happy to watch Russia bleed out. Remember half of Siberia used to be part of China.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,461
    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,375

    kinabalu said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    Dreadful. Hope your son is ok. One of my son's uni friends hanged himself and it affected him for quite a while.
    Thanks Kinabalu. We are keeping an eye on him but it is a slightly unreal situation for him at the moment. He wasn't close friends with the lads but he did know them fairly well as they did some of the same subjects at A level. So he is not grieving as he would for a close friend but is still rather shocked and saddened.

    Sadly it may turn out to be 4 young lives ruined as an 18 year old girl and 18 year old boy (the drivers of the two cars involved) were arrested over the deaths.
    Wouldn't the arrests be standard police protocol under such tragic circumstances?
    The reports are that they have actually been charged with causing death by dangerous driving so that seems a but beyond just arrest. But I am also aware of how often local news gets these things wrong so it may be this is not the case.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,143

    @TSE
    I didnt get the chance on the last thread to thank David Cameron for calling a referendum

    It's okay, 2016 was Dave's Operation Dynamo, in the next few years there will be an Operation Overlord.
    Run by your overlords in Brussels?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,768
    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Awkward
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,756

    rkrkrk said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    That is just awful and indescribable pain for their family and friends

    Stricter driving restrictions are needed for young drivers and I thought they were in the pipeline
    Awful, such a tragic loss. There's evidence that the key thing is preventing young drivers, particularly men, from driving their friends. There's something about the group dynamics that encourages going too fast, showing off... when on their own they are much safer.
    Perhaps in the absence of evidence (other than the early charge) we should perhaps be careful how we apportion blame. Nonetheless I drove like a twat when I was on my own at that age. Isn't there a deficiency in the fear gene of young men?
    I think there is. I shy from my own shadow these days, risk averse to a fault, but 45 years ago I used to scale tall buildings at night.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,461

    kinabalu said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    Dreadful. Hope your son is ok. One of my son's uni friends hanged himself and it affected him for quite a while.
    Thanks Kinabalu. We are keeping an eye on him but it is a slightly unreal situation for him at the moment. He wasn't close friends with the lads but he did know them fairly well as they did some of the same subjects at A level. So he is not grieving as he would for a close friend but is still rather shocked and saddened.

    Sadly it may turn out to be 4 young lives ruined as an 18 year old girl and 18 year old boy (the drivers of the two cars involved) were arrested over the deaths.
    Wouldn't the arrests be standard police protocol under such tragic circumstances?
    The reports are that they have actually been charged with causing death by dangerous driving so that seems a but beyond just arrest. But I am also aware of how often local news gets these things wrong so it may be this is not the case.
    Casting one's mind back to teenage years it's very much " by the grace of God go I"
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,768

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
    That is not how the public will see it
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,461
    kinabalu said:

    rkrkrk said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    That is just awful and indescribable pain for their family and friends

    Stricter driving restrictions are needed for young drivers and I thought they were in the pipeline
    Awful, such a tragic loss. There's evidence that the key thing is preventing young drivers, particularly men, from driving their friends. There's something about the group dynamics that encourages going too fast, showing off... when on their own they are much safer.
    Perhaps in the absence of evidence (other than the early charge) we should perhaps be careful how we apportion blame. Nonetheless I drove like a twat when I was on my own at that age. Isn't there a deficiency in the fear gene of young men?
    I think there is. I shy from my own shadow these days, risk averse to a fault, but 45 years ago I used to scale tall buildings at night.
    Were you Spiderman or a cat burglar?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,461

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Awkward
    Not really.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,210
    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,768

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    Such is politics

    However it is painted, it is not a good look for Starmer
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,461

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
    That is not how the public will see it
    Only if disingenuous media and political bullshit*tters continue to lie.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,377
    In a generation's time Starmer's government may well be remembered in the main just for assisted dying and a couple of new towns.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,461

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    Such is politics

    However it is painted, it is not a good look for Starmer
    With all due respect BigG. that is absolute cobblers.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,768

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
    That is not how the public will see it
    Only if disingenuous media and political bullshit*tters continue to lie.
    You do know how politics works
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,210

    kinabalu said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    Dreadful. Hope your son is ok. One of my son's uni friends hanged himself and it affected him for quite a while.
    Thanks Kinabalu. We are keeping an eye on him but it is a slightly unreal situation for him at the moment. He wasn't close friends with the lads but he did know them fairly well as they did some of the same subjects at A level. So he is not grieving as he would for a close friend but is still rather shocked and saddened.

    Sadly it may turn out to be 4 young lives ruined as an 18 year old girl and 18 year old boy (the drivers of the two cars involved) were arrested over the deaths.
    Wouldn't the arrests be standard police protocol under such tragic circumstances?
    The reports are that they have actually been charged with causing death by dangerous driving so that seems a but beyond just arrest. But I am also aware of how often local news gets these things wrong so it may be this is not the case.
    I fear it might be the case. It is hard to know what to make of it. If killing two of his mates has not convinced him he's done something wrong, I doubt prison will help. Otoh maybe justice needs to be seen to be done.

    There does seem to be more of this about, a bit like charging wives and girlfriends with assisting an offender. It just seems not right, somehow.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,768

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    Such is politics

    However it is painted, it is not a good look for Starmer
    With all due respect BigG. that is absolute cobblers.
    It depends on whether the media pick it up, but you do seem to be very fazed by it
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,651
    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,461
    edited June 20

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
    That is not how the public will see it
    Only if disingenuous media and political bullshit*tters continue to lie.
    You do know how politics works
    Politicians lie, and that is what Badenoch has done. She knows how the legal system works.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,183
    A

    Nigelb said:

    Not an imperialist...

    Putin: "We have this old rule: wherever a Russian soldier sets foot, it's ours."
    https://x.com/PolymarketIntel/status/1936095773315268979

    So the moon belongs to the Americans then?
    And Moscow belongs to the French?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,768

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
    That is not how the public will see it
    Only if disingenuous media and political bullshit*tters continue to lie.
    You do know how politics works
    Politicians lie, and that is what Badenoch has done. She knows how the legal system works.
    Where is the lie ?

    It may be politics, but it seems factual
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,756

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Awkward
    I'd more say "desperate."

    Bearing in mind her contribution to society before politics was 'private banking' followed by the Spectator.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,461

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    Such is politics

    However it is painted, it is not a good look for Starmer
    With all due respect BigG. that is absolute cobblers.
    It depends on whether the media pick it up, but you do seem to be very fazed by it
    When Starmer and Cabinet Ministers are incompetent or disingenuous they are fair game. Badenoch knows how the cab rank works for Barristers.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,243
    Rumours of an earthquake in Tehran, 5.2 on the scale.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,756

    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*

    Have you shorted it or something?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,243
    Ah, in Northern Iran, not Tehran, apparently.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,017
    kinabalu said:

    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*

    Have you shorted it or something?
    Sold it on Ebay. Bit like that time when the pound was stolen.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,461
    edited June 20

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
    That is not how the public will see it
    Only if disingenuous media and political bullshit*tters continue to lie.
    You do know how politics works
    Politicians lie, and that is what Badenoch has done. She knows how the legal system works.
    Where is the lie ?

    It may be politics, but it seems factual
    Isn't a Barrister obliged to defend a defendant? The lie is she knows this.

    It reeks of beer and curry.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,210

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    Such is politics

    However it is painted, it is not a good look for Starmer
    Not good for Starmer but the point is, it is not good for Kemi either because her backbenchers will all know that she knows better, and also that she should know better. It is bad politics for Kemi who needs to look prime ministerial.

    Kemi should have leaked it to someone else. Boris, maybe.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,377

    A

    Nigelb said:

    Not an imperialist...

    Putin: "We have this old rule: wherever a Russian soldier sets foot, it's ours."
    https://x.com/PolymarketIntel/status/1936095773315268979

    So the moon belongs to the Americans then?
    And Moscow belongs to the French?
    That Moscow got burnt to the ground though. So it doesn't count.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,814

    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*

    Taco for dinner tonight?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,651

    In a generation's time Starmer's government may well be remembered in the main just for assisted dying and a couple of new towns.

    Puts me for some reason in mind of one of my favourite cold disses (from the Bodyline dramatisation)

    Sir Pelham Warner (tour manager and knight of the realm and a bit of an alcy allegedly) to Douglas Jardine 'history will remember you as a man who stooped to conquer'

    Jardine in reply 'history has already forgotten you'
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,410
    edited June 20
    kinabalu said:

    rkrkrk said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    That is just awful and indescribable pain for their family and friends

    Stricter driving restrictions are needed for young drivers and I thought they were in the pipeline
    Awful, such a tragic loss. There's evidence that the key thing is preventing young drivers, particularly men, from driving their friends. There's something about the group dynamics that encourages going too fast, showing off... when on their own they are much safer.
    Perhaps in the absence of evidence (other than the early charge) we should perhaps be careful how we apportion blame. Nonetheless I drove like a twat when I was on my own at that age. Isn't there a deficiency in the fear gene of young men?
    I think there is. I shy from my own shadow these days, risk averse to a fault, but 45 years ago I used to scale tall buildings at night.
    You were The Batman ?
    🤯
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,394

    Putin is beginning to publicly back Iran.

    Hmm.

    A sign of how weak Trump is, or at least that Putin thinks he is.
    Doesn't Putin need Iranian drones?
    They're manufacturing a lot of the drones in Russia now. I don't even know that they're receiving any directly from Iran anymore.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,768

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    Such is politics

    However it is painted, it is not a good look for Starmer
    Not good for Starmer but the point is, it is not good for Kemi either because her backbenchers will all know that she knows better, and also that she should know better. It is bad politics for Kemi who needs to look prime ministerial.

    Kemi should have leaked it to someone else. Boris, maybe.
    What is interesting is that Yvette Cooper is preparing a written statement that could make membership of the group illegal through new legislation
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,651
    kinabalu said:

    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*

    Have you shorted it or something?
    Nah, waiting for the fireworks
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,183

    Rumours of an earthquake in Tehran, 5.2 on the scale.

    Ok, own up, who set the password to Grazer Two to “Biggly”?

    https://youtu.be/quwB5eAKh4s?si=iq1B4PHg8A1W_zuA
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,023
    DavidL said:

    We don't think Ben Stokes consulted Rachel Reeves about his decision to field today, do we? I mean, a decision that catastrophic, its hard to imagine she had nothing to do with it.

    Perhaps they polled the Conservative membership?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,375

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
    That is not how the public will see it
    Only if disingenuous media and political bullshit*tters continue to lie.
    You do know how politics works
    Politicians lie, and that is what Badenoch has done. She knows how the legal system works.
    Where is the lie ?

    It may be politics, but it seems factual
    Isn't a Barrister obliged to defend a defendant? The lie is she knows this.

    It reeks of beer and curry.
    Indeed. My understanding (for which I will gladly be corrected) is thta it is the job of a defence lawyer to provide the very best defence they can for their client even if they do not agree with them. Our whole system is built on the idea that the accused gets the best practical defence to ensure the trial is fair. I would be loath to undermine this (anymore than is already being done by the attacks on legal aid).
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,651

    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*

    Taco for dinner tonight?
    No tacos, its bombs away by morning. 2 weeks my arse.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,756

    kinabalu said:

    rkrkrk said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    That is just awful and indescribable pain for their family and friends

    Stricter driving restrictions are needed for young drivers and I thought they were in the pipeline
    Awful, such a tragic loss. There's evidence that the key thing is preventing young drivers, particularly men, from driving their friends. There's something about the group dynamics that encourages going too fast, showing off... when on their own they are much safer.
    Perhaps in the absence of evidence (other than the early charge) we should perhaps be careful how we apportion blame. Nonetheless I drove like a twat when I was on my own at that age. Isn't there a deficiency in the fear gene of young men?
    I think there is. I shy from my own shadow these days, risk averse to a fault, but 45 years ago I used to scale tall buildings at night.
    Were you Spiderman or a cat burglar?
    Lol. The first (in my own mind). Crowds would form.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,814

    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*

    Taco for dinner tonight?
    No tacos, its bombs away by morning. 2 weeks my arse.
    Nah, its Chicken Taco that's on the menu tonight.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,651

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    Such is politics

    However it is painted, it is not a good look for Starmer
    Not good for Starmer but the point is, it is not good for Kemi either because her backbenchers will all know that she knows better, and also that she should know better. It is bad politics for Kemi who needs to look prime ministerial.

    Kemi should have leaked it to someone else. Boris, maybe.
    What is interesting is that Yvette Cooper is preparing a written statement that could make membership of the group illegal through new legislation
    I think theyve quite quickly worked out that having porous air bases is not the look to go with in hard power
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,191

    Ah, in Northern Iran, not Tehran, apparently.

    East of Teheran.
    Only 5.1. Not a Biggie.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,394

    Nigelb said:

    Not an imperialist...

    Putin: "We have this old rule: wherever a Russian soldier sets foot, it's ours."
    https://x.com/PolymarketIntel/status/1936095773315268979

    There's no compromising with the current Russian war aims. There's only two options. Win. Or lose.

    So we'd better get on with working out what we need to do to win and then do that.
    The trouble is there is no real way Russia can lose, provided they are willing to keep going. If it comes down to a war of resources, Russia simply has more men to throw into the meat-grinder.

    In the United States, GOP isolationists are just as opposed to intervening in Ukraine as in Iran. China could step up but is probably happy to watch Russia bleed out. Remember half of Siberia used to be part of China.
    Resources are mainly ammunition and equipment, rather than men.

    If you can destroy the factories that produce Russian weapons and destroy the ammunition dumps where they are stored, then what are Russian soldiers going to fight with?

    War is always a matter of resources, but modern war is a matter of industrial resources rather than manpower resources. The idea that Russia can't lose is ridiculous.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,861
    edited June 20

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    I'm really sorry to hear that - I saw that in the local news: 1:46am by the report, two hatchbacks IIRC.

    There are various things bubbling under in the Road Safety Strategy, which should be out around now. We've discussed a few, and young driver safety is on the list, but they are being fairly "steady as she goes".

    In terms of support, there are a couple of established charities that specialise in support of families & friends of people killed or seriously injured in collisions. Both have daytime helplines, and people who were bereaved by road collisions at their core, and do advocacy work, and have a lot of practical material. I tend to refer to Brake, but that is because they have more research stuff relevant to my particular issues.

    Brake, https://www.brake.org.uk/ , 0808 800 0401, help@brake.org.uk

    Road Peace, https://www.roadpeace.org/, 0800 160 1069, helpline@roadpeace.org

    Both could provide speakers to do a lesson or an assembly, I think. But of course out there you are also fairly close to the Notts Constabulary HQ.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,023
    kinabalu said:

    rkrkrk said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    That is just awful and indescribable pain for their family and friends

    Stricter driving restrictions are needed for young drivers and I thought they were in the pipeline
    Awful, such a tragic loss. There's evidence that the key thing is preventing young drivers, particularly men, from driving their friends. There's something about the group dynamics that encourages going too fast, showing off... when on their own they are much safer.
    Perhaps in the absence of evidence (other than the early charge) we should perhaps be careful how we apportion blame. Nonetheless I drove like a twat when I was on my own at that age. Isn't there a deficiency in the fear gene of young men?
    I think there is. I shy from my own shadow these days, risk averse to a fault, but 45 years ago I used to scale tall buildings at night.
    Pretty sure despairing fatalism more than compensates. Old chuffs tottering across the road not giving a fck about traffic a particular example.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,354

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
    That is not how the public will see it
    Only if disingenuous media and political bullshit*tters continue to lie.
    You do know how politics works
    Politicians lie, and that is what Badenoch has done. She knows how the legal system works.
    Where is the lie ?

    It may be politics, but it seems factual
    Isn't a Barrister obliged to defend a defendant? The lie is she knows this.

    It reeks of beer and curry.
    Indeed. My understanding (for which I will gladly be corrected) is thta it is the job of a defence lawyer to provide the very best defence they can for their client even if they do not agree with them. Our whole system is built on the idea that the accused gets the best practical defence to ensure the trial is fair. I would be loath to undermine this (anymore than is already being done by the attacks on legal aid).
    Alternative view:

    https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/03/cab-rank-rule-a-myth-peddled-by-the-bar-says-retired-judge/
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,814
    Sorry for your loss Richard, that's awful. 😞
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,183

    A

    Nigelb said:

    Not an imperialist...

    Putin: "We have this old rule: wherever a Russian soldier sets foot, it's ours."
    https://x.com/PolymarketIntel/status/1936095773315268979

    So the moon belongs to the Americans then?
    And Moscow belongs to the French?
    That Moscow got burnt to the ground though. So it doesn't count.
    It counts double if your troops stood there *and* then burnt it.

    The Whitehouse is British, then….
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,003
    To get back on topic, I have just bought the most FABULOUS Laura Ashley midnight blue velvet cushions

    *stares*

    Look, this place lacks femininity. I'm providing

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,375
    MattW said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    I'm really sorry to hear that - I saw that in the local news: 1:46am by the report, two hatchbacks IIRC.

    There are various things bubbling under in the Road Safety Strategy, which should be out around now. We've discussed a few, and young driver safety is on the list, but they are being fairly "steady as she goes".

    In terms of support, there are a couple of established charities that specialise in support of families & friends of people killed or seriously injured in collisions. Both have daytime helplines, and people who were bereaved by road collisions at their core, and do advocacy work, and have a lot of practical material. I tend to refer to Brake, but that is because they have more research stuff relevant to my particular issues.

    Brake, https://www.brake.org.uk/ , 0808 800 0401, help@brake.org.uk

    Road Peace, https://www.roadpeace.org/, 0800 160 1069, helpline@roadpeace.org

    Both could provide speakers to do a lesson or an assembly, I think. But of course out there you are also fairly close to the Notts Constabulary HQ.
    It is a shame also for the school because they have been going out of their way to provide lessons, speakers and practical sessions all around safety for young drivers. They have really pushed the boat out over the last few years (actually since the Girl's school KGGS lost a couple of Year 13s in an accident on the A1) and I don't think they could have done more.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,756

    kinabalu said:

    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*

    Have you shorted it or something?
    Nah, waiting for the fireworks
    Ah ok. Don't know about timings but I also think there's a fair chance (30% say) the US do end up 'going in'.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,861
    edited June 20

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    Such is politics

    However it is painted, it is not a good look for Starmer
    Not good for Starmer but the point is, it is not good for Kemi either because her backbenchers will all know that she knows better, and also that she should know better. It is bad politics for Kemi who needs to look prime ministerial.

    Kemi should have leaked it to someone else. Boris, maybe.
    What is interesting is that Yvette Cooper is preparing a written statement that could make membership of the group illegal through new legislation
    I think theyve quite quickly worked out that having porous air bases is not the look to go with in hard power
    I have a feeling this may boost our Hardened Aircraft Shelter budget. In the UK, Hardened Aircraft Shelters are mainly AWOBB (Absent Without Being Built).

    Perun, last week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr-wqGyF4cU

    "How Not to Lose Your Air Force (On the Ground) - Hardening, modern threats & air base defences"
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,223

    This threader shows that reality can be funnier than fiction...

    I think you need Inspector Clouseau to do justice to this scene
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,461

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    Such is politics

    However it is painted, it is not a good look for Starmer
    Not good for Starmer but the point is, it is not good for Kemi either because her backbenchers will all know that she knows better, and also that she should know better. It is bad politics for Kemi who needs to look prime ministerial.

    Kemi should have leaked it to someone else. Boris, maybe.
    What is interesting is that Yvette Cooper is preparing a written statement that could make membership of the group illegal through new legislation
    I think theyve quite quickly worked out that having porous air bases is not the look to go with in hard power
    That is a fair criticism of the Government on their watch, even if as Dura suggested earlier, it is a legacy of handing security over to Serco.

    As current incumbents that criticism is valid. Badenoch's allusion that Starmer is a pro-Palestinian terrorist because he defended a pro-Palestinian defendant is cheap and disingenuous.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,814
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*

    Have you shorted it or something?
    Nah, waiting for the fireworks
    Ah ok. Don't know about timings but I also think there's a fair chance (30% say) the US do end up 'going in'.
    Have you priced in President Taco into that 30%?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,375
    dixiedean said:

    Ah, in Northern Iran, not Tehran, apparently.

    East of Teheran.
    Only 5.1. Not a Biggie.
    Pretty common out there to be fair. Suffering from being in the armpit of the Himalayan Orogeny on one side and the African rift valley spreading on the other.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,651
    edited June 20
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*

    Have you shorted it or something?
    Nah, waiting for the fireworks
    Ah ok. Don't know about timings but I also think there's a fair chance (30% say) the US do end up 'going in'.
    Hsifa took a pounding again earlier and the Iron Dome is creaking, i think time's pressing. Somethimgs gotta give.
    Iran are clearly trying to schmooze the UK/EU and cause a rift
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,861

    MattW said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    I'm really sorry to hear that - I saw that in the local news: 1:46am by the report, two hatchbacks IIRC.

    There are various things bubbling under in the Road Safety Strategy, which should be out around now. We've discussed a few, and young driver safety is on the list, but they are being fairly "steady as she goes".

    In terms of support, there are a couple of established charities that specialise in support of families & friends of people killed or seriously injured in collisions. Both have daytime helplines, and people who were bereaved by road collisions at their core, and do advocacy work, and have a lot of practical material. I tend to refer to Brake, but that is because they have more research stuff relevant to my particular issues.

    Brake, https://www.brake.org.uk/ , 0808 800 0401, help@brake.org.uk

    Road Peace, https://www.roadpeace.org/, 0800 160 1069, helpline@roadpeace.org

    Both could provide speakers to do a lesson or an assembly, I think. But of course out there you are also fairly close to the Notts Constabulary HQ.
    It is a shame also for the school because they have been going out of their way to provide lessons, speakers and practical sessions all around safety for young drivers. They have really pushed the boat out over the last few years (actually since the Girl's school KGGS lost a couple of Year 13s in an accident on the A1) and I don't think they could have done more.
    On the other side of that, that means that their students may be far better placed to deal with the emotional consequences than they would have been otherwise. Good on the school for addressing it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,756

    kinabalu said:

    rkrkrk said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    That is just awful and indescribable pain for their family and friends

    Stricter driving restrictions are needed for young drivers and I thought they were in the pipeline
    Awful, such a tragic loss. There's evidence that the key thing is preventing young drivers, particularly men, from driving their friends. There's something about the group dynamics that encourages going too fast, showing off... when on their own they are much safer.
    Perhaps in the absence of evidence (other than the early charge) we should perhaps be careful how we apportion blame. Nonetheless I drove like a twat when I was on my own at that age. Isn't there a deficiency in the fear gene of young men?
    I think there is. I shy from my own shadow these days, risk averse to a fault, but 45 years ago I used to scale tall buildings at night.
    Pretty sure despairing fatalism more than compensates. Old chuffs tottering across the road not giving a fck about traffic a particular example.
    But not you, TUD, surely?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,183
    edited June 20
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*

    Have you shorted it or something?
    Nah, waiting for the fireworks
    Ah ok. Don't know about timings but I also think there's a fair chance (30% say) the US do end up 'going in'.
    Most of that 30% is half a dozen B-2s, each dropping 1 GBU-57. In one raid.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,950

    Putin is beginning to publicly back Iran.

    Hmm.

    A sign of how weak Trump is, or at least that Putin thinks he is.
    Doesn't Putin need Iranian drones?
    They're manufacturing a lot of the drones in Russia now. I don't even know that they're receiving any directly from Iran anymore.
    Two sources are always better than one, and Iran would like the influence it gives them with Russia. On the other hand, they might be needing them themselves at the moment...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,756
    Leon said:

    To get back on topic, I have just bought the most FABULOUS Laura Ashley midnight blue velvet cushions

    *stares*

    Look, this place lacks femininity. I'm providing

    For sitting on or mainly just to stroke?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,375
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    I'm really sorry to hear that - I saw that in the local news: 1:46am by the report, two hatchbacks IIRC.

    There are various things bubbling under in the Road Safety Strategy, which should be out around now. We've discussed a few, and young driver safety is on the list, but they are being fairly "steady as she goes".

    In terms of support, there are a couple of established charities that specialise in support of families & friends of people killed or seriously injured in collisions. Both have daytime helplines, and people who were bereaved by road collisions at their core, and do advocacy work, and have a lot of practical material. I tend to refer to Brake, but that is because they have more research stuff relevant to my particular issues.

    Brake, https://www.brake.org.uk/ , 0808 800 0401, help@brake.org.uk

    Road Peace, https://www.roadpeace.org/, 0800 160 1069, helpline@roadpeace.org

    Both could provide speakers to do a lesson or an assembly, I think. But of course out there you are also fairly close to the Notts Constabulary HQ.
    It is a shame also for the school because they have been going out of their way to provide lessons, speakers and practical sessions all around safety for young drivers. They have really pushed the boat out over the last few years (actually since the Girl's school KGGS lost a couple of Year 13s in an accident on the A1) and I don't think they could have done more.
    On the other side of that, that means that their students may be far better placed to deal with the emotional consequences than they would have been otherwise. Good on the school for addressing it.
    I have to say that the pastoral care at the school over the last 7 years my son has been there has been outstanding. It is an all boys school (Kings) and they really, really know how to handle lads, what the specific problems with them are and how to get the best out of them as well as how to support them. They certainly seem to pride themselves on turning out young men rather than just funneling them through the exam system.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,756

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*

    Have you shorted it or something?
    Nah, waiting for the fireworks
    Ah ok. Don't know about timings but I also think there's a fair chance (30% say) the US do end up 'going in'.
    Most of that 30% is half a dozen B-2s, each dropping 1 GBU-57. In one raid.
    Is that the Bunker Buster?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,027
    edited June 20

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
    Cab rank rule seems to be optional. In practice it seems to be utilised as an easy excuse for people who like to flip flop
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,023
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    rkrkrk said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    That is just awful and indescribable pain for their family and friends

    Stricter driving restrictions are needed for young drivers and I thought they were in the pipeline
    Awful, such a tragic loss. There's evidence that the key thing is preventing young drivers, particularly men, from driving their friends. There's something about the group dynamics that encourages going too fast, showing off... when on their own they are much safer.
    Perhaps in the absence of evidence (other than the early charge) we should perhaps be careful how we apportion blame. Nonetheless I drove like a twat when I was on my own at that age. Isn't there a deficiency in the fear gene of young men?
    I think there is. I shy from my own shadow these days, risk averse to a fault, but 45 years ago I used to scale tall buildings at night.
    Pretty sure despairing fatalism more than compensates. Old chuffs tottering across the road not giving a fck about traffic a particular example.
    But not you, TUD, surely?
    No.
    Not yet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,003
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    To get back on topic, I have just bought the most FABULOUS Laura Ashley midnight blue velvet cushions

    *stares*

    Look, this place lacks femininity. I'm providing

    For sitting on or mainly just to stroke?
    To really make the living room *pop*

    Honestly, it's transformational. I'm turning the whole flat into a kind of decadent cocoon. A velvet fortress wherefrom I can witness the apocalypse. The bedroom is going to be absurd. All the glossy woodwork will be deep red wine colour, with Hague blue walls

    Themes of pink and sapphire throughout. Old brass light fixtures. Armenian obsidian daggars glittering in the Tom Dixon blown metal lamplight

    OOOOOH
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,210

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*

    Have you shorted it or something?
    Nah, waiting for the fireworks
    Ah ok. Don't know about timings but I also think there's a fair chance (30% say) the US do end up 'going in'.
    Most of that 30% is half a dozen B-2s, each dropping 1 GBU-57. In one raid.
    Maybe but the isolationists will know Bibi has spent his entire political life warning that Iran is only a few years from nuclear weapons. Inevitably he will be right one day, perhaps even this day, but he has been wrong these past few decades.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,756

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*

    Have you shorted it or something?
    Nah, waiting for the fireworks
    Ah ok. Don't know about timings but I also think there's a fair chance (30% say) the US do end up 'going in'.
    Hsifa took a pounding again earlier and the Iron Dome is creaking, i think time's pressing. Somethimgs gotta give.
    Iran are clearly trying to schmooze the UK/EU and cause a rift
    Well there was a perfectly serviceable deal until MaxiMoron tore it up in his first term.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,882

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    Such is politics

    However it is painted, it is not a good look for Starmer
    being a terminally online gotcha seeker not a good look for kemi, will she ever grow up?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,900
    edited June 20
    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    This should be beneath you, Kemi - it's not "worth noting". As you well know, barristers represent all sorts and try to get them off. In 2004, 21 years ago and 11 whole years before he became an MP, Starmer had a different job. Why on earth are you bringing this up?
    If I were a Tory, I'd be despairing of my leadership.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,756

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*

    Have you shorted it or something?
    Nah, waiting for the fireworks
    Ah ok. Don't know about timings but I also think there's a fair chance (30% say) the US do end up 'going in'.
    Have you priced in President Taco into that 30%?
    Yes that's in there. He's going to be torn between Taco and wanting a 'Situation Room' episode.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,950

    This threader shows that reality can be funnier than fiction...

    I think you need Inspector Clouseau to do justice to this scene
    What other political scandals have there been involving dogs? There was Thorpe and Rinka - any others?

    (I suppose we could stretch it to other animals and include Ron Davies and badgers...)
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,814

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*

    Have you shorted it or something?
    Nah, waiting for the fireworks
    Ah ok. Don't know about timings but I also think there's a fair chance (30% say) the US do end up 'going in'.
    Most of that 30% is half a dozen B-2s, each dropping 1 GBU-57. In one raid.
    Maybe but the isolationists will know Bibi has spent his entire political life warning that Iran is only a few years from nuclear weapons. Inevitably he will be right one day, perhaps even this day, but he has been wrong these past few decades.
    No, on this he has been right.

    Iran did not get to 60% enriched uranium overnight.

    This is the age old issue that the best time to act was yesterday, the second best time is now
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,461
    edited June 20

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    I'm really sorry to hear that - I saw that in the local news: 1:46am by the report, two hatchbacks IIRC.

    There are various things bubbling under in the Road Safety Strategy, which should be out around now. We've discussed a few, and young driver safety is on the list, but they are being fairly "steady as she goes".

    In terms of support, there are a couple of established charities that specialise in support of families & friends of people killed or seriously injured in collisions. Both have daytime helplines, and people who were bereaved by road collisions at their core, and do advocacy work, and have a lot of practical material. I tend to refer to Brake, but that is because they have more research stuff relevant to my particular issues.

    Brake, https://www.brake.org.uk/ , 0808 800 0401, help@brake.org.uk

    Road Peace, https://www.roadpeace.org/, 0800 160 1069, helpline@roadpeace.org

    Both could provide speakers to do a lesson or an assembly, I think. But of course out there you are also fairly close to the Notts Constabulary HQ.
    It is a shame also for the school because they have been going out of their way to provide lessons, speakers and practical sessions all around safety for young drivers. They have really pushed the boat out over the last few years (actually since the Girl's school KGGS lost a couple of Year 13s in an accident on the A1) and I don't think they could have done more.
    On the other side of that, that means that their students may be far better placed to deal with the emotional consequences than they would have been otherwise. Good on the school for addressing it.
    I have to say that the pastoral care at the school over the last 7 years my son has been there has been outstanding. It is an all boys school (Kings) and they really, really know how to handle lads, what the specific problems with them are and how to get the best out of them as well as how to support them. They certainly seem to pride themselves on turning out young men rather than just funneling them through the exam system.
    I am quite reassured by the support you have received on here today.

    Around a decade ago a girl my youngest son was at school with was killed at Storey Arms along with two young lads and an old lady in a second car. The driver was three days on from passing his driving test. In another similarly tragic incident a friend of the same son had been knocking on doors and running away on Barry Road in Barry. A householder caught him unawares and the lad ran away into the path of a taxi and was killed. Both incidents made the national news and the consensus on here was Darwin awards had been justifiably presented.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,861
    edited June 20
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    To get back on topic, I have just bought the most FABULOUS Laura Ashley midnight blue velvet cushions

    *stares*

    Look, this place lacks femininity. I'm providing

    For sitting on or mainly just to stroke?
    To really make the living room *pop*

    Honestly, it's transformational. I'm turning the whole flat into a kind of decadent cocoon. A velvet fortress wherefrom I can witness the apocalypse. The bedroom is going to be absurd. All the glossy woodwork will be deep red wine colour, with Hague blue walls

    Themes of pink and sapphire throughout. Old brass light fixtures. Armenian obsidian daggars glittering in the Tom Dixon blown metal lamplight

    OOOOOH
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    To get back on topic, I have just bought the most FABULOUS Laura Ashley midnight blue velvet cushions

    *stares*

    Look, this place lacks femininity. I'm providing

    For sitting on or mainly just to stroke?
    To really make the living room *pop*

    Honestly, it's transformational. I'm turning the whole flat into a kind of decadent cocoon. A velvet fortress wherefrom I can witness the apocalypse. The bedroom is going to be absurd. All the glossy woodwork will be deep red wine colour, with Hague blue walls

    Themes of pink and sapphire throughout. Old brass light fixtures. Armenian obsidian daggars glittering in the Tom Dixon blown metal lamplight

    OOOOOH
    What you now need is a white cat or preferably an Old English Sheepdog, to highlight the joy of blue velvet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icfq_foa5Mo

    (Bit repetitive, that song.)
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,223

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
    That is not how the public will see it
    Only if disingenuous media and political bullshit*tters continue to lie.
    You do know how politics works
    Politicians lie, and that is what Badenoch has done. She knows how the legal system
    works.
    She didn’t lie. She misled. That’s different

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,461
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
    Cab rank rule seems to be optional. In practice it seems to be utilised as an easy excuse for people who like to flip flop
    So it doesn't apply. Thanks for putting me right.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,063

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
    Cab rank rule seems to be optional. In practice it seems to be utilised as an easy excuse for people who like to flip flop
    So it doesn't apply. Thanks for putting me right.
    Starmer=tool.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,003
    edited June 20
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    To get back on topic, I have just bought the most FABULOUS Laura Ashley midnight blue velvet cushions

    *stares*

    Look, this place lacks femininity. I'm providing

    For sitting on or mainly just to stroke?
    To really make the living room *pop*

    Honestly, it's transformational. I'm turning the whole flat into a kind of decadent cocoon. A velvet fortress wherefrom I can witness the apocalypse. The bedroom is going to be absurd. All the glossy woodwork will be deep red wine colour, with Hague blue walls

    Themes of pink and sapphire throughout. Old brass light fixtures. Armenian obsidian daggars glittering in the Tom Dixon blown metal lamplight

    OOOOOH
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    To get back on topic, I have just bought the most FABULOUS Laura Ashley midnight blue velvet cushions

    *stares*

    Look, this place lacks femininity. I'm providing

    For sitting on or mainly just to stroke?
    To really make the living room *pop*

    Honestly, it's transformational. I'm turning the whole flat into a kind of decadent cocoon. A velvet fortress wherefrom I can witness the apocalypse. The bedroom is going to be absurd. All the glossy woodwork will be deep red wine colour, with Hague blue walls

    Themes of pink and sapphire throughout. Old brass light fixtures. Armenian obsidian daggars glittering in the Tom Dixon blown metal lamplight

    OOOOOH
    What you now need is a white cat or preferably an Old English Sheepdog, to highlight the joy of blue velvet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icfq_foa5Mo

    (Bit repetitive, that song.)
    I'm not letting some semi-wild animal* soil my beautiful new fittings

    *Unless she's under 25 and looks vaguely like my ex-wife
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,461

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
    That is not how the public will see it
    Only if disingenuous media and political bullshit*tters continue to lie.
    You do know how politics works
    Politicians lie, and that is what Badenoch has done. She knows how the legal system
    works.
    She didn’t lie. She misled. That’s different

    When the police found me in a stolen car wrapped around a tree I misled them by suggesting my name was @StillWaters and not @Mexicanpete .
  • kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    To get back on topic, I have just bought the most FABULOUS Laura Ashley midnight blue velvet cushions

    *stares*

    Look, this place lacks femininity. I'm providing

    For sitting on or mainly just to stroke?
    He's certainly making an effort..😏
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,861

    This threader shows that reality can be funnier than fiction...

    I think you need Inspector Clouseau to do justice to this scene
    What other political scandals have there been involving dogs? There was Thorpe and Rinka - any others?

    (I suppose we could stretch it to other animals and include Ron Davies and badgers...)
    The United States secretary of Homeland Security Kirsty Noem is the MAGA Puppy Killer. She shot her pet dog because it was inconvenient.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,756
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    To get back on topic, I have just bought the most FABULOUS Laura Ashley midnight blue velvet cushions

    *stares*

    Look, this place lacks femininity. I'm providing

    For sitting on or mainly just to stroke?
    To really make the living room *pop*

    Honestly, it's transformational. I'm turning the whole flat into a kind of decadent cocoon. A velvet fortress wherefrom I can witness the apocalypse. The bedroom is going to be absurd. All the glossy woodwork will be deep red wine colour, with Hague blue walls

    Themes of pink and sapphire throughout. Old brass light fixtures. Armenian obsidian daggars glittering in the Tom Dixon blown metal lamplight

    OOOOOH
    That's a strong look. I'm ok with that.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,027

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
    Cab rank rule seems to be optional. In practice it seems to be utilised as an easy excuse for people who like to flip flop
    So it doesn't apply. Thanks for putting me right.
    Pas de probleme
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,861
    Finally got around to plugging my heater / cooler in the other way round for the summer 90 minutes ago.

    My kitchen is now 2-3C cooler.

    Time to go and look for some fish and chips.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,461
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    To get back on topic, I have just bought the most FABULOUS Laura Ashley midnight blue velvet cushions

    *stares*

    Look, this place lacks femininity. I'm providing

    For sitting on or mainly just to stroke?
    To really make the living room *pop*

    Honestly, it's transformational. I'm turning the whole flat into a kind of decadent cocoon. A velvet fortress wherefrom I can witness the apocalypse. The bedroom is going to be absurd. All the glossy woodwork will be deep red wine colour, with Hague blue walls

    Themes of pink and sapphire throughout. Old brass light fixtures. Armenian obsidian daggars glittering in the Tom Dixon blown metal lamplight

    OOOOOH
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    To get back on topic, I have just bought the most FABULOUS Laura Ashley midnight blue velvet cushions

    *stares*

    Look, this place lacks femininity. I'm providing

    For sitting on or mainly just to stroke?
    To really make the living room *pop*

    Honestly, it's transformational. I'm turning the whole flat into a kind of decadent cocoon. A velvet fortress wherefrom I can witness the apocalypse. The bedroom is going to be absurd. All the glossy woodwork will be deep red wine colour, with Hague blue walls

    Themes of pink and sapphire throughout. Old brass light fixtures. Armenian obsidian daggars glittering in the Tom Dixon blown metal lamplight

    OOOOOH
    What you now need is a white cat or preferably an Old English Sheepdog, to highlight the joy of blue velvet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icfq_foa5Mo

    (Bit repetitive, that song.)
    I'm not letting some semi-wild animal* soil my beautiful new fittings

    *Unless she's under 25 and looks vaguely like my ex-wife
    You ex-wife is an Old English Sheepdog? Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,861

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
    That is not how the public will see it
    Only if disingenuous media and political bullshit*tters continue to lie.
    You do know how politics works
    Politicians lie, and that is what Badenoch has done. She knows how the legal system
    works.
    She didn’t lie. She misled. That’s different

    Misled = "Ms Lied".
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,410
    .

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    I'm really sorry to hear that - I saw that in the local news: 1:46am by the report, two hatchbacks IIRC.

    There are various things bubbling under in the Road Safety Strategy, which should be out around now. We've discussed a few, and young driver safety is on the list, but they are being fairly "steady as she goes".

    In terms of support, there are a couple of established charities that specialise in support of families & friends of people killed or seriously injured in collisions. Both have daytime helplines, and people who were bereaved by road collisions at their core, and do advocacy work, and have a lot of practical material. I tend to refer to Brake, but that is because they have more research stuff relevant to my particular issues.

    Brake, https://www.brake.org.uk/ , 0808 800 0401, help@brake.org.uk

    Road Peace, https://www.roadpeace.org/, 0800 160 1069, helpline@roadpeace.org

    Both could provide speakers to do a lesson or an assembly, I think. But of course out there you are also fairly close to the Notts Constabulary HQ.
    It is a shame also for the school because they have been going out of their way to provide lessons, speakers and practical sessions all around safety for young drivers. They have really pushed the boat out over the last few years (actually since the Girl's school KGGS lost a couple of Year 13s in an accident on the A1) and I don't think they could have done more.
    On the other side of that, that means that their students may be far better placed to deal with the emotional consequences than they would have been otherwise. Good on the school for addressing it.
    I have to say that the pastoral care at the school over the last 7 years my son has been there has been outstanding. It is an all boys school (Kings) and they really, really know how to handle lads, what the specific problems with them are and how to get the best out of them as well as how to support them. They certainly seem to pride themselves on turning out young men rather than just funneling them through the exam system.
    I am quite reassured by the support you have received on here today.

    Around a decade ago a girl my youngest son was at school with was killed at Storey Arms along with two young lads and an old lady in a second car. The driver was three days on from passing his driving test. In another similarly tragic incident a friend of the same son had been knocking on doors and running away on Barry Road in Barry. A householder caught him unawares and the lad ran away into the path of a taxi and was killed. Both incidents made the national news and the consensus on here was Darwin awards had been justifiably presented.
    Perhaps we're older and wiser ?
    Older, anyway.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,090
    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Lawyers are paid to say whatever bollox they think will help their client get off, doesn't mean they believe it themselves.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,003
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    To get back on topic, I have just bought the most FABULOUS Laura Ashley midnight blue velvet cushions

    *stares*

    Look, this place lacks femininity. I'm providing

    For sitting on or mainly just to stroke?
    To really make the living room *pop*

    Honestly, it's transformational. I'm turning the whole flat into a kind of decadent cocoon. A velvet fortress wherefrom I can witness the apocalypse. The bedroom is going to be absurd. All the glossy woodwork will be deep red wine colour, with Hague blue walls

    Themes of pink and sapphire throughout. Old brass light fixtures. Armenian obsidian daggars glittering in the Tom Dixon blown metal lamplight

    OOOOOH
    That's a strong look. I'm ok with that.
    It is. It should be done by autumn, and I am faintly trembling with anticipation

    It's all coz a friend stayed here over winter (while I was away) and then after gave me a stiff talking to, "Leon, you have a lovely flat in a great location but you've let it go to seed. Looks like it hasn't been touched in a decade. It's sad"

    Tough love, but it worked. Next time I came home from a trip I looked around and thought "shit, he's right"

    Sometimes you need friends to tell you the difficult things
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,375

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    I'm really sorry to hear that - I saw that in the local news: 1:46am by the report, two hatchbacks IIRC.

    There are various things bubbling under in the Road Safety Strategy, which should be out around now. We've discussed a few, and young driver safety is on the list, but they are being fairly "steady as she goes".

    In terms of support, there are a couple of established charities that specialise in support of families & friends of people killed or seriously injured in collisions. Both have daytime helplines, and people who were bereaved by road collisions at their core, and do advocacy work, and have a lot of practical material. I tend to refer to Brake, but that is because they have more research stuff relevant to my particular issues.

    Brake, https://www.brake.org.uk/ , 0808 800 0401, help@brake.org.uk

    Road Peace, https://www.roadpeace.org/, 0800 160 1069, helpline@roadpeace.org

    Both could provide speakers to do a lesson or an assembly, I think. But of course out there you are also fairly close to the Notts Constabulary HQ.
    It is a shame also for the school because they have been going out of their way to provide lessons, speakers and practical sessions all around safety for young drivers. They have really pushed the boat out over the last few years (actually since the Girl's school KGGS lost a couple of Year 13s in an accident on the A1) and I don't think they could have done more.
    On the other side of that, that means that their students may be far better placed to deal with the emotional consequences than they would have been otherwise. Good on the school for addressing it.
    I have to say that the pastoral care at the school over the last 7 years my son has been there has been outstanding. It is an all boys school (Kings) and they really, really know how to handle lads, what the specific problems with them are and how to get the best out of them as well as how to support them. They certainly seem to pride themselves on turning out young men rather than just funneling them through the exam system.
    I am quite reassured by the support you have received on here today.

    Around a decade ago a girl my youngest son was at school with was killed at Storey Arms along with two young lads and an old lady in a second car. The driver was three days on from passing his driving test. In another similarly tragic incident a friend of the same son had been knocking on doors and running away on Barry Road in Barry. A householder caught him unawares and the lad ran away into the path of a taxi and was killed. Both incidents made the national news and the consensus on here was Darwin awards had been justifiably presented.
    Be nice to think we have matured as a community and won't always go for the easy shock comment these days.

    And yes agree entirely about the support.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,825
    kinabalu said:

    rkrkrk said:

    OT

    Sadness in the Tyndall household today as two of my son's classmates were killed in a car crash a few miles from here last night. They had finished sitting their A levels yesterday and I assume were out celebrating. The two lads who died were passengers in a car and the driver has been arrested on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

    Really sad and all too common. I do wonder whether there is something more that should be done to either educate young drivers or prevent them from carrying passengers for a while.

    That is just awful and indescribable pain for their family and friends

    Stricter driving restrictions are needed for young drivers and I thought they were in the pipeline
    Awful, such a tragic loss. There's evidence that the key thing is preventing young drivers, particularly men, from driving their friends. There's something about the group dynamics that encourages going too fast, showing off... when on their own they are much safer.
    Perhaps in the absence of evidence (other than the early charge) we should perhaps be careful how we apportion blame. Nonetheless I drove like a twat when I was on my own at that age. Isn't there a deficiency in the fear gene of young men?
    I think there is. I shy from my own shadow these days, risk averse to a fault, but 45 years ago I used to scale tall buildings at night.
    The brain’s prefrontal cortex doesn’t fully develop until age 25. The prefrontal cortex is a highly specialised region of the brain, involved in higher-order cognitive functions like planning, decision-making, impulse control, emotion regulation and moderating social behaviour. Insurance companies take this into account when quoting under 25s for car insurance. The armed forces also take it into account when looking for brave squaddies.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,223

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Taxi for Isam (using the cab rank protocol?).
    That is not how the public will see it
    Only if disingenuous media and political bullshit*tters continue to lie.
    You do know how politics works
    Politicians lie, and that is what Badenoch has done. She knows how the legal system
    works.
    She didn’t lie. She misled. That’s different

    When the police found me in a stolen car wrapped around a tree I misled them by
    suggesting my name was @StillWaters and not @Mexicanpete .
    Worth noting

    Not really but whatever

    that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    I haven’t checked but I’m going to assume those statements are factually accurate.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be
    perfectly legal.


    “Perfectly legal” a bit of a stretch but certainly it would be hard to convict if he’d established that precedent as a defence.

    Which bit do you think is a lie?

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,410
    This story doesn't yet seem to have been debunked.

    Trump’s top personnel chief is hiding his origins. Sergio Gor, the White House Director of Personnel — formerly known as Gorokhovsky — never submitted a security clearance form, according to The New York Post, citing sources. Nevertheless, he received temporary access to classified materials, along with other members of the Trump administration.

    Gor claims he was born in Malta, but local officials found no record of his birth in their registries. According to The Dispatch, he moved to the U.S. in 1999 and went by the name Gorokhovsky in both school and university. Acquaintances insist he was born in the USSR.

    Former Washington Post journalist Brian Krebs wrote that Gor once used a long, unique password for his email — a password also linked to seven email accounts registered in the .RU domain. One of the accounts was tied to a Russian citizen from Tolyatti, who denies any connection to the U.S. official.

    Sergio Gor is a longtime associate of Donald Trump Jr. and Senator Rand Paul, whom he accompanied on a 2018 visit to Moscow. He led fundraising efforts for Trump’s campaign.

    https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1936089897925788008
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,394
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    2 hours till US markets close
    *buffs nails and waits*

    Have you shorted it or something?
    Nah, waiting for the fireworks
    Ah ok. Don't know about timings but I also think there's a fair chance (30% say) the US do end up 'going in'.
    Hsifa took a pounding again earlier and the Iron Dome is creaking, i think time's pressing. Somethimgs gotta give.
    Iran are clearly trying to schmooze the UK/EU and cause a rift
    Well there was a perfectly serviceable deal until MaxiMoron tore it up in his first term.
    That was eight years ago now. Even if the deal back then was perfect a lot has happened since, and the arrow of time applies.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,601
    edited June 20
    MattW said:

    Finally got around to plugging my heater / cooler in the other way round for the summer 90 minutes ago.

    My kitchen is now 2-3C cooler.

    Time to go and look for some fish and chips.

    London has had one of those stinking days today with grey-white milky skies but oven-warm temperatures - some of my least favourite summer weather - but since 5ish it’s cleared completely, freshened to an ideal evening 25C and a breeze has got up. It’s liberating when claggy cloud clears and you’re left with deep blue. The windows and doors are being opened to let the air flow through.

    Swallows flitting around in the sky with their familiar calls that sound like summer.

    And my son with his friends in the kitchen who’ve all just finished a-levels, making cocktails.
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