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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,376

    Extreme Temperatures Around The World
    @extremetemps
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    Record heat also in the United Kingdom (and more records will be coming tomorrow):
    Temperatures >30C in England,Wales, >29 in Ireland,Northern Ireland ,Scotland.

    June highest record at Leeming with 30.1C, beating the 1976 record.

    https://x.com/extremetemps
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,394
    isam said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    It's stupid, dishonest, cynical and probably won't work. #klassickemi

    What's her thesis here? People who enter RAF stations unauthorised shouldn't get legal counsel?
    I realise this place is a lawyers only fans, but most normal people probably think it a bit rum to be paid to defend people for doing something you apparently consider appallingly unpatriotic
    Even the Nazi defendants at the Nuremberg Trials had defence lawyers. Someone has to do it.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,564

    Kruger goes all in...


    The things our country needs more than anything are more children, and more care for our aging population. The Commons voted this week for the opposite - death to both groups. It's the revenge of the middle-aged against their dependents.

    We are ushering in a dangerous new politics, a sort of hedonic utilitarianism in which the convenience of adults is paramount even over the lives of the young and old. This is the pagan philosophy, with its cult of strength, which Christianity banished but is now returning.

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/1936142387459350827

    Just because someone can have an abortion doesn’t mean they will. If the country wants more children it needs to make it attractive for couples to have children. Forcing women to have children they don’t want will not solve any issue.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,183
    carnforth said:

    Palestine Action is to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation after its activists breached security at an air base to damage two RAF planes.The organisation will be banned, alongside groups like Hamas, al-Qaeda and the Islamic State, in a move that will leave supporters facing up to 14 years in jail.

    Starting next week "Just Stop Action On Palestine"...

    Owen Jones was retweeting them early this afternoon...
    carnforth said:

    Palestine Action is to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation after its activists breached security at an air base to damage two RAF planes.The organisation will be banned, alongside groups like Hamas, al-Qaeda and the Islamic State, in a move that will leave supporters facing up to 14 years in jail.

    Starting next week "Just Stop Action On Palestine"...

    Owen Jones was retweeting them early this afternoon...
    Given the ease with which they banned

    The Real IRA
    The Continuity IRA
    The Real Continuity IRA
    The Really Real IRA
    “I can’t believe it isn’t the IRA”
    The Keepin’ It Real IRA

    Plus approximately 17,234 Loyalist organisations

    I’m sure the authorities will cope with a few name changes.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,183

    Kruger goes all in...


    The things our country needs more than anything are more children, and more care for our aging population. The Commons voted this week for the opposite - death to both groups. It's the revenge of the middle-aged against their dependents.

    We are ushering in a dangerous new politics, a sort of hedonic utilitarianism in which the convenience of adults is paramount even over the lives of the young and old. This is the pagan philosophy, with its cult of strength, which Christianity banished but is now returning.

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/1936142387459350827

    Just because someone can have an abortion doesn’t mean they will. If the country wants more children it needs to make it attractive for couples to have children. Forcing women to have children they don’t want will not solve any issue.
    A Japanese lady of my acquaintance has decided to move back to Japan, with her husband. To have children. Because there, the child care is free, the cost of housing is much less (apparently there is subsidy for families with children in some areas) and in general the Japanese state is offering lots of incentives & thumbs up for families.

    She says she will come back to the U.K. for later schooling - thinks the Japanese system is too rigid.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,776

    Kruger goes all in...


    The things our country needs more than anything are more children, and more care for our aging population. The Commons voted this week for the opposite - death to both groups. It's the revenge of the middle-aged against their dependents.

    We are ushering in a dangerous new politics, a sort of hedonic utilitarianism in which the convenience of adults is paramount even over the lives of the young and old. This is the pagan philosophy, with its cult of strength, which Christianity banished but is now returning.

    https://x.com/danny__kruger/status/1936142387459350827

    More children born now would mean more old people in 60-70 years' time.
    Not if they emigrate.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,027

    isam said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    It's stupid, dishonest, cynical and probably won't work. #klassickemi

    What's her thesis here? People who enter RAF stations unauthorised shouldn't get legal counsel?
    I realise this place is a lawyers only fans, but most normal people probably think it a bit rum to be paid to defend people for doing something you apparently consider appallingly unpatriotic
    Even the Nazi defendants at the Nuremberg Trials had defence lawyers. Someone has to do it.
    And if those defence lawyers became PM, they could expect Jewish people to be suspicious of them
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,183

    isam said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    It's stupid, dishonest, cynical and probably won't work. #klassickemi

    What's her thesis here? People who enter RAF stations unauthorised shouldn't get legal counsel?
    I realise this place is a lawyers only fans, but most normal people probably think it a bit rum to be paid to defend people for doing something you apparently consider appallingly unpatriotic
    Even the Nazi defendants at the Nuremberg Trials had defence lawyers. Someone has to do it.
    There are also lawyers who seem to end up on one side of an argument, all the time.

    For example, I can think of one barrister, who acts in environmental cases. Never, ever for a company. Always against them. Indeed, is quite frank that she would never take the corporate side.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,750
    edited June 20

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    I don't understand what Kemi's doing here. Everyone knows that people are entitled to a defence.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,191

    carnforth said:

    Palestine Action is to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation after its activists breached security at an air base to damage two RAF planes.The organisation will be banned, alongside groups like Hamas, al-Qaeda and the Islamic State, in a move that will leave supporters facing up to 14 years in jail.

    Starting next week "Just Stop Action On Palestine"...

    Owen Jones was retweeting them early this afternoon...
    carnforth said:

    Palestine Action is to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation after its activists breached security at an air base to damage two RAF planes.The organisation will be banned, alongside groups like Hamas, al-Qaeda and the Islamic State, in a move that will leave supporters facing up to 14 years in jail.

    Starting next week "Just Stop Action On Palestine"...

    Owen Jones was retweeting them early this afternoon...
    Given the ease with which they banned

    The Real IRA
    The Continuity IRA
    The Real Continuity IRA
    The Really Real IRA
    “I can’t believe it isn’t the IRA”
    The Keepin’ It Real IRA

    Plus approximately 17,234 Loyalist organisations

    I’m sure the authorities will cope with a few name changes.
    Ira Gershwin died early enough to get away with it.
    The rascal.
  • "Themes of pink and sapphire throughout. Old brass light fixtures. Armenian obsidian daggars glittering in the Tom Dixon blown metal lamplight"

    I've seen home furnishings you people wouldn't believe...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,191
    People ought to be a bit more concerned about the lives of humans from 1-68 yo.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,376
    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?






  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,598

    ...

    Dura_Ace said:

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    It's stupid, dishonest, cynical and probably won't will work. #klassickemi

    What's her thesis here? People who enter RAF stations unauthorised shouldn't get legal counsel?
    I hate people who do this, but 'fixed it for you'.

    Besides, I don't even think it's particularly cynical or stupid - we all know the detestable little weasel has always been always attracted to anyone and anything anti-British, and there are plenty of ways for (unaccountably) popular lawyers to choose their clients.
    The more I hear of the cab rank for lawyers, the more I think of those black cab drivers who claim that they take everyone.

    Then are show, in videos, to turn down black people, brown people, people going to the wrong location, people with credit cards…
    Anyone going south of the river.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,944

    "Themes of pink and sapphire throughout. Old brass light fixtures. Armenian obsidian daggars glittering in the Tom Dixon blown metal lamplight"

    I've seen home furnishings you people wouldn't believe...

    Soft furnishings! Soft furnishings has a face, and you must make a friend of soft furnishings.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,376
    Gabbard fighting for her political life this evening.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,631

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434

    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?

    "Nobody [speaking] English". Not even the actual provincial families themselves???
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,034
    edited June 20

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?






    It is a bit of a cultural shock coming from Scotland. But I'm reminded of a Gaelic-speaking friend who had to stand up and tell a young couple from Uist she could understand every word of filth they were saying to each other on the train.

    Almost everyone in London speaks English. Their other languages are a convenient privacy measure.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,598
    edited June 20

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?

    What he means is some people on the tube might speak a foreign language. Shock horror major world city has foreigners in it. And if they’re in the sort of central London tube locales that provincial visitors can be found in they’re probably tourists. Like the provincial visitors.

    And even then it’s an odd comment, because one thing most foreigners do extremely well is speak English.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,679
    Do we count the modern incarnation of Cockney as speaking English?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,750
    edited June 20
    Consoling myself with the thought that in 48 hours' time it won't be too hot to get to sleep at night.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,354

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?







    No one on the tube should be speaking any language. Ok, maybe on the platform...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,679
    edited June 20
    carnforth said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?







    No one on the tube should be speaking any language. Ok, maybe on the platform...
    Just wait until the (il)Liberal Democrats get into power...Ed will be all over this.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,376
    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian

    Trump out with a Constitution length critique of Powell just now.

    Happy Friday!

    https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1936184432047825054
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,750
    The Spectator is praising Diane Abbott for probably the first time ever.

    "Diane Abbott’s masterful Assisted Dying speech will come back to haunt us
    Melanie McDonagh" (£)

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/diane-abbotts-masterful-assisted-dying-speech-will-come-back-to-haunt-us/
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,248

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?






    If you get on the tube at Hanwell, at the right time of day, then it's possible.

    Otherwise, it's obvious exaggeration. (I would also note that in summer, when there are lots of tourists, the there are lots more foreigners on the tube. And said tourists are much more likely to travel as families, and therefore much more likely to chatter in foreign languages. Commuters are on their own, and they're not talking to anyone.)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,183
    carnforth said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?







    No one on the tube should be speaking any language. Ok, maybe on the platform...
    The furriners even talk to complete strangers!!

    Pshaw! {adjusts monocle}
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,354

    carnforth said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?







    No one on the tube should be speaking any language. Ok, maybe on the platform...
    The furriners even talk to complete strangers!!

    Pshaw! {adjusts monocle}
    Northerners do that too!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,034
    edited June 20
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?







    No one on the tube should be speaking any language. Ok, maybe on the platform...
    The furriners even talk to complete strangers!!

    Pshaw! {adjusts monocle}
    Northerners do that too!
    The other thing is frankly, I don't really regard London as part of the UK. It's part of something bigger, perhaps better. A world city. I think most people from the "provincials" feel this way, and aren't necessarily upset by it.

    There are more similarities with Leith and Shoreditch than there are with Leith and Keith, for example. National and even regional identities are being overtaken by street-level cultural identities.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,750

    Gabbard fighting for her political life this evening.

    Has she upset the orange one?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,003
    edited June 20
    TimS said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?

    What he means is some people on the tube might speak a foreign language. Shock horror major world city has foreigners in it. And if they’re in the sort of central London tube locales that provincial visitors can be found in they’re probably tourists. Like the provincial visitors.

    And even then it’s an odd comment, because one thing most foreigners do extremely well is speak English.

    This is farcical lying

    The fact is London has gone from about 97% White British to about 37% White British in a few decades. That’s just a statement of fact

    There is no clear parallel in human history for this to happen outside wartime - to a major world city with an established ethnic identity

    This is not a value statement. This change may be a good or bad thing, or a mix of both

    But has it happened? Yes, it has
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,354
    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?







    No one on the tube should be speaking any language. Ok, maybe on the platform...
    The furriners even talk to complete strangers!!

    Pshaw! {adjusts monocle}
    Northerners do that too!
    The other thing is frankly, I don't really regard London as part of the UK. It's part of something bigger, perhaps better. A world city. I think most people from the "provincials" feel this way, and aren't necessarily upset by it.

    There are more similarities with Leith and Shoreditch than there are with Leith and Keith, for example. National and even regional identities are being overtaken by street-level cultural identities.
    I will admit to having more in common with a German or Canadian of my own class background than my plumber. Maybe I'm a secret remainer....
  • isamisam Posts: 42,027
    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?







    No one on the tube should be speaking any language. Ok, maybe on the platform...
    The furriners even talk to complete strangers!!

    Pshaw! {adjusts monocle}
    Northerners do that too!
    The other thing is frankly, I don't really regard London as part of the UK. It's part of something bigger, perhaps better. A world city. I think most people from the "provincials" feel this way, and aren't necessarily upset by it.

    There are more similarities with Leith and Shoreditch than there are with Leith and Keith, for example. National and even regional identities are being overtaken by street-level cultural identities.
    Why do people who love the fact London is full of foreigners get upset when other people say no one’s speaking English? It’s like they are happy about something they refuse to admit is happening
  • isamisam Posts: 42,027
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?

    What he means is some people on the tube might speak a foreign language. Shock horror major world city has foreigners in it. And if they’re in the sort of central London tube locales that provincial visitors can be found in they’re probably tourists. Like the provincial visitors.

    And even then it’s an odd comment, because one thing most foreigners do extremely well is speak English.

    This is farcical lying

    The fact is London has gone from about 97% White British to about 37% White British in a few decades. That’s just a statement of fact

    There is no clear parallel in human history for this to happen outside wartime - to a major world city with an established ethnic identity

    This is not a value statement. This change may be a good or bad thing, or a mix of both

    But has it happened? Yes, it has
    I always get the feeling that those who are terse with anyone who complains about that fact are the first to bemoan the culture of a foreign town or city changing, or at least like to say how a foreign place they adore has a character unchanged by tourism/modernity
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,034
    edited June 20
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?

    What he means is some people on the tube might speak a foreign language. Shock horror major world city has foreigners in it. And if they’re in the sort of central London tube locales that provincial visitors can be found in they’re probably tourists. Like the provincial visitors.

    And even then it’s an odd comment, because one thing most foreigners do extremely well is speak English.

    This is farcical lying

    The fact is London has gone from about 97% White British to about 37% White British in a few decades. That’s just a statement of fact

    There is no clear parallel in human history for this to happen outside wartime - to a major world city with an established ethnic identity

    This is not a value statement. This change may be a good or bad thing, or a mix of both

    But has it happened? Yes, it has
    Errr, in terms of speaking English, Londoners are exceptionally proficient after taking into account the number of immigrants. It's an astonishing city in that regard, unrivalled around the world. In England and Wales the next biggest main language is... Polish.

    It's Birmingham/Bradford/Leicester where you can find lots of people with poor English - but even then, it's only a very small proportion with none at all.

    (I have the vague memory that the most diverse parts of London have better English at school than poor parts of the North of England. Immigrants are damned good at picking it up).
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,631
    isam said:

    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?







    No one on the tube should be speaking any language. Ok, maybe on the platform...
    The furriners even talk to complete strangers!!

    Pshaw! {adjusts monocle}
    Northerners do that too!
    The other thing is frankly, I don't really regard London as part of the UK. It's part of something bigger, perhaps better. A world city. I think most people from the "provincials" feel this way, and aren't necessarily upset by it.

    There are more similarities with Leith and Shoreditch than there are with Leith and Keith, for example. National and even regional identities are being overtaken by street-level cultural identities.
    Why do people who love the fact London is full of foreigners get upset when other people say no one’s speaking English? It’s like they are happy about something they refuse to admit is happening
    Even I speak English, and I was born in India!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,631
    Andy_JS said:

    The Spectator is praising Diane Abbott for probably the first time ever.

    "Diane Abbott’s masterful Assisted Dying speech will come back to haunt us
    Melanie McDonagh" (£)

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/diane-abbotts-masterful-assisted-dying-speech-will-come-back-to-haunt-us/

    GB News praised her too!
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,354
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?

    What he means is some people on the tube might speak a foreign language. Shock horror major world city has foreigners in it. And if they’re in the sort of central London tube locales that provincial visitors can be found in they’re probably tourists. Like the provincial visitors.

    And even then it’s an odd comment, because one thing most foreigners do extremely well is speak English.

    This is farcical lying

    The fact is London has gone from about 97% White British to about 37% White British in a few decades. That’s just a statement of fact

    There is no clear parallel in human history for this to happen outside wartime - to a major world city with an established ethnic identity

    This is not a value statement. This change may be a good or bad thing, or a mix of both

    But has it happened? Yes, it has
    I always get the feeling that those who are terse with anyone who complains about that fact are the first to bemoan the culture of a foreign town or city changing, or at least like to say how a foreign place they adore has a character unchanged by tourism/modernity
    To pick an extreme example, many waiters in Malta speak only English and Italian or English and Polish. Imagine you're part of the minorty of Maltese who don't speak English and you have to audit restaurants on language before entering...

    Though perhaps the minority of welsh-only speakers in Wales can sympathise.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,631
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?

    What he means is some people on the tube might speak a foreign language. Shock horror major world city has foreigners in it. And if they’re in the sort of central London tube locales that provincial visitors can be found in they’re probably tourists. Like the provincial visitors.

    And even then it’s an odd comment, because one thing most foreigners do extremely well is speak English.

    This is farcical lying

    The fact is London has gone from about 97% White British to about 37% White British in a few decades. That’s just a statement of fact

    There is no clear parallel in human history for this to happen outside wartime - to a major world city with an established ethnic identity

    This is not a value statement. This change may be a good or bad thing, or a mix of both

    But has it happened? Yes, it has
    Errr, in terms of speaking English, Londoners are exceptionally proficient after taking into account the number of immigrants. It's an astonishing city in that regard, unrivalled around the world. In England and Wales the next biggest main language is... Polish.

    It's Birmingham/Bradford/Leicester where you can find lots of people with poor English - but even then, it's only a very small proportion with none at all.

    (I have the vague memory that the most diverse parts of London have better English at school than poor parts of the North of England. Immigrants are damned good at picking it up).
    The Spelling Bee champions in the USA tend to be Indian!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,034
    isam said:

    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?







    No one on the tube should be speaking any language. Ok, maybe on the platform...
    The furriners even talk to complete strangers!!

    Pshaw! {adjusts monocle}
    Northerners do that too!
    The other thing is frankly, I don't really regard London as part of the UK. It's part of something bigger, perhaps better. A world city. I think most people from the "provincials" feel this way, and aren't necessarily upset by it.

    There are more similarities with Leith and Shoreditch than there are with Leith and Keith, for example. National and even regional identities are being overtaken by street-level cultural identities.
    Why do people who love the fact London is full of foreigners get upset when other people say no one’s speaking English? It’s like they are happy about something they refuse to admit is happening
    I'm not upset. It's great. It's an incredible city and I'd live there in a heartbeat. Commuting down the Thames on the boat, or whizzing along the Embankment, or jogging round Regent's Park. The food. The fun.

    It's like having the world in your pocket. But without any decent mountains.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,631
    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?







    No one on the tube should be speaking any language. Ok, maybe on the platform...
    The furriners even talk to complete strangers!!

    Pshaw! {adjusts monocle}
    Northerners do that too!
    The other thing is frankly, I don't really regard London as part of the UK. It's part of something bigger, perhaps better. A world city. I think most people from the "provincials" feel this way, and aren't necessarily upset by it.

    There are more similarities with Leith and Shoreditch than there are with Leith and Keith, for example. National and even regional identities are being overtaken by street-level cultural identities.
    Why do people who love the fact London is full of foreigners get upset when other people say no one’s speaking English? It’s like they are happy about something they refuse to admit is happening
    I'm not upset. It's great. It's an incredible city and I'd live there in a heartbeat. Commuting down the Thames on the boat, or whizzing along the Embankment, or jogging round Regent's Park. The food. The fun.

    It's like having the world in your pocket. But without any decent mountains.
    Leon can point you to Primrose Hill :lol:
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,631
    rcs1000 said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?






    If you get on the tube at Hanwell, at the right time of day, then it's possible.

    Otherwise, it's obvious exaggeration. (I would also note that in summer, when there are lots of tourists, the there are lots more foreigners on the tube. And said tourists are much more likely to travel as families, and therefore much more likely to chatter in foreign languages. Commuters are on their own, and they're not talking to anyone.)
    Narrator: Hanwell is on the Elizabeth Line.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,183
    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?







    No one on the tube should be speaking any language. Ok, maybe on the platform...
    The furriners even talk to complete strangers!!

    Pshaw! {adjusts monocle}
    Northerners do that too!
    The other thing is frankly, I don't really regard London as part of the UK. It's part of something bigger, perhaps better. A world city. I think most people from the "provincials" feel this way, and aren't necessarily upset by it.

    There are more similarities with Leith and Shoreditch than there are with Leith and Keith, for example. National and even regional identities are being overtaken by street-level cultural identities.
    Why do people who love the fact London is full of foreigners get upset when other people say no one’s speaking English? It’s like they are happy about something they refuse to admit is happening
    I'm not upset. It's great. It's an incredible city and I'd live there in a heartbeat. Commuting down the Thames on the boat, or whizzing along the Embankment, or jogging round Regent's Park. The food. The fun.

    It's like having the world in your pocket. But without any decent mountains.
    Or as I say about rowing on the Tideway - 3 miles, 100 cultures, 100 different weather conditions.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,750
    edited June 20
    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?







    No one on the tube should be speaking any language. Ok, maybe on the platform...
    The furriners even talk to complete strangers!!

    Pshaw! {adjusts monocle}
    Northerners do that too!
    The other thing is frankly, I don't really regard London as part of the UK. It's part of something bigger, perhaps better. A world city. I think most people from the "provincials" feel this way, and aren't necessarily upset by it.

    There are more similarities with Leith and Shoreditch than there are with Leith and Keith, for example. National and even regional identities are being overtaken by street-level cultural identities.
    Why do people who love the fact London is full of foreigners get upset when other people say no one’s speaking English? It’s like they are happy about something they refuse to admit is happening
    I'm not upset. It's great. It's an incredible city and I'd live there in a heartbeat. Commuting down the Thames on the boat, or whizzing along the Embankment, or jogging round Regent's Park. The food. The fun.

    It's like having the world in your pocket. But without any decent mountains.
    I agree with you, but do you think that if a referendum had been held at any particular time the people already living in London would have voted in favour of the pace of change that has in fact taken place?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,034

    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?







    No one on the tube should be speaking any language. Ok, maybe on the platform...
    The furriners even talk to complete strangers!!

    Pshaw! {adjusts monocle}
    Northerners do that too!
    The other thing is frankly, I don't really regard London as part of the UK. It's part of something bigger, perhaps better. A world city. I think most people from the "provincials" feel this way, and aren't necessarily upset by it.

    There are more similarities with Leith and Shoreditch than there are with Leith and Keith, for example. National and even regional identities are being overtaken by street-level cultural identities.
    Why do people who love the fact London is full of foreigners get upset when other people say no one’s speaking English? It’s like they are happy about something they refuse to admit is happening
    I'm not upset. It's great. It's an incredible city and I'd live there in a heartbeat. Commuting down the Thames on the boat, or whizzing along the Embankment, or jogging round Regent's Park. The food. The fun.

    It's like having the world in your pocket. But without any decent mountains.
    Or as I say about rowing on the Tideway - 3 miles, 100 cultures, 100 different weather conditions.
    I've done some rowing on the Thames up around Chiswick/Kew. Very fond memories. There was a good pub, I'll try and work out which it was.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,034
    Andy_JS said:

    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?







    No one on the tube should be speaking any language. Ok, maybe on the platform...
    The furriners even talk to complete strangers!!

    Pshaw! {adjusts monocle}
    Northerners do that too!
    The other thing is frankly, I don't really regard London as part of the UK. It's part of something bigger, perhaps better. A world city. I think most people from the "provincials" feel this way, and aren't necessarily upset by it.

    There are more similarities with Leith and Shoreditch than there are with Leith and Keith, for example. National and even regional identities are being overtaken by street-level cultural identities.
    Why do people who love the fact London is full of foreigners get upset when other people say no one’s speaking English? It’s like they are happy about something they refuse to admit is happening
    I'm not upset. It's great. It's an incredible city and I'd live there in a heartbeat. Commuting down the Thames on the boat, or whizzing along the Embankment, or jogging round Regent's Park. The food. The fun.

    It's like having the world in your pocket. But without any decent mountains.
    I agree with you, but do you think that if a referendum had been held at any particular time the people already living in London would have voted in favour of the pace of change that has in fact taken place?
    I dunno. I think the overall package - including the astonishing public and private investment - would be a resounding yes.

    The problem isn't really the immigration, imo. It's the economic stagnation in much of the rest of the country. When I stay in London, I live with a corporate lawyer from Blackpool. We zip around on bikes, get pissed at those gorgeous pubs and wander through the parks on the way back to his place.

    He ain't going back to Blackpool.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,801
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?

    What he means is some people on the tube might speak a foreign language. Shock horror major world city has foreigners in it. And if they’re in the sort of central London tube locales that provincial visitors can be found in they’re probably tourists. Like the provincial visitors.

    And even then it’s an odd comment, because one thing most foreigners do extremely well is speak English.

    This is farcical lying

    The fact is London has gone from about 97% White British to about 37% White British in a few decades. That’s just a statement of fact

    There is no clear parallel in human history for this to happen outside wartime - to a major world city with an established ethnic identity

    This is not a value statement. This change may be a good or bad thing, or a mix of both

    But has it happened? Yes, it has
    Yes but in the summer, when a decent chunk of them are extremely decorative and wearing very little, who cares?

    Come back to me in October.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,248
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?

    What he means is some people on the tube might speak a foreign language. Shock horror major world city has foreigners in it. And if they’re in the sort of central London tube locales that provincial visitors can be found in they’re probably tourists. Like the provincial visitors.

    And even then it’s an odd comment, because one thing most foreigners do extremely well is speak English.

    This is farcical lying

    The fact is London has gone from about 97% White British to about 37% White British in a few decades. That’s just a statement of fact

    There is no clear parallel in human history for this to happen outside wartime - to a major world city with an established ethnic identity

    This is not a value statement. This change may be a good or bad thing, or a mix of both

    But has it happened? Yes, it has
    "A few" is commonly accepted to be no more than - say - three?

    ChatGPT tells me the last time that was true was before your birth, back in 1961.

    By the 1991 census (which is stretching your definition of "a few") it was already in the 70s.

    Yes, there have been significant changes. But don't make up shit.

    And don't just hammer "like" because you agree with the sentiment.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,183
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?

    What he means is some people on the tube might speak a foreign language. Shock horror major world city has foreigners in it. And if they’re in the sort of central London tube locales that provincial visitors can be found in they’re probably tourists. Like the provincial visitors.

    And even then it’s an odd comment, because one thing most foreigners do extremely well is speak English.

    This is farcical lying

    The fact is London has gone from about 97% White British to about 37% White British in a few decades. That’s just a statement of fact

    There is no clear parallel in human history for this to happen outside wartime - to a major world city with an established ethnic identity

    This is not a value statement. This change may be a good or bad thing, or a mix of both

    But has it happened? Yes, it has
    "A few" is commonly accepted to be no more than - say - three?

    ChatGPT tells me the last time that was true was before your birth, back in 1961.

    By the 1991 census (which is stretching your definition of "a few") it was already in the 70s.

    Yes, there have been significant changes. But don't make up shit.

    And don't just hammer "like" because you agree with the sentiment.
    “But don't make up shit.”

    Ah. You must be new here. Well, welcome in and pull up a pew.
  • vikvik Posts: 517

    Gabbard fighting for her political life this evening.

    The "two week" delay in a decision on Iran suggests to me that the non-interventionists (Gabbard, Tucker, Bannon etc) are winning the internal argument in the administration.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,209
    A fake according to the community note.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,209
    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    I don't understand what Kemi's doing here. Everyone knows that people are entitled to a defence.
    I can see what Kemi is doing but it ought to be beneath her dignity. It is unserious. It undermines her status as PM-in-waiting and as Leader of the Conservative Party most likely to get them back into office.

    If she or CCHQ wanted this message (or smear) spread they should have got someone else to do it.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,209
    edited 1:36AM

    Andy_JS said:

    The Spectator is praising Diane Abbott for probably the first time ever.

    "Diane Abbott’s masterful Assisted Dying speech will come back to haunt us
    Melanie McDonagh" (£)

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/diane-abbotts-masterful-assisted-dying-speech-will-come-back-to-haunt-us/

    GB News praised her too!
    Diane Abbott was the future once.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,631

    Do we count the modern incarnation of Cockney as speaking English?

    "I can speak English! I learn it from a book!" - Manuel.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,377
    edited 2:27AM
    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    I don't understand what Kemi's doing here. Everyone knows that people are entitled to a defence.
    Absolutely every one is entitled to a defence. But Starmer today called what happened at Brize Norton vandalism as if it was someone throwing tomato soup at a painting protected by glass in an art gallery, it was not, it was incredible reckless and expensive sabotage of vital military planes used to protect the UK. The clue was in the fact they were sitting out on the runway at Brize Norton because they were in regular use.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,750
    From December.

    "Why self-confessed 'superfans' were engrossed by Post Office inquiry"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4x3y873z9o
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,950
    Not this "white British" nonsense again...
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 970
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    To get back on topic, I have just bought the most FABULOUS Laura Ashley midnight blue velvet cushions

    *stares*

    Look, this place lacks femininity. I'm providing

    For sitting on or mainly just to stroke?
    To really make the living room *pop*

    Honestly, it's transformational. I'm turning the whole flat into a kind of decadent cocoon. A velvet fortress wherefrom I can witness the apocalypse. The bedroom is going to be absurd. All the glossy woodwork will be deep red wine colour, with Hague blue walls

    Themes of pink and sapphire throughout. Old brass light fixtures. Armenian obsidian daggars glittering in the Tom Dixon blown metal lamplight

    OOOOOH
    That's a strong look. I'm ok with that.
    It is. It should be done by autumn, and I am faintly trembling with anticipation

    It's all coz a friend stayed here over winter (while I was away) and then after gave me a stiff talking to, "Leon, you have a lovely flat in a great location but you've let it go to seed. Looks like it hasn't been touched in a decade. It's sad"

    Tough love, but it worked. Next time I came home from a trip I looked around and thought "shit, he's right"

    Sometimes you need friends to tell you the difficult things
    It does sound more of an autumn/winter vision if you don't mind my saying. Velvet, brass, and those other things.
    Yes. There comes a time when you have to lean in to it

    Ageing, well travelled artiste with a louche past, an affluent present, and many hair-raising stories
    All good. But beware of becoming a cliche. To avoid that you need to have some 'against expectations' components. Eg an outdoor team sport. Or golf even.
    lol. Never golf. NEVER golf

    The against expectations stuff is that I am still relentlessly travelling to some pretty radical places

    Russia is a possibility at the mo. Also San Francisco, ugh

    But overall I've taken a look at the wardrobe of my life and realised, Leon, you're never going to fit into those jackets from 20 years ago. That time has passed. Time to age disgracefully. Buy linen
    Re: Radical places. What about a CIA Black Ops site? You could wax lyrically about the décor and compare it to some other dungeons you've been in.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,653
    Good morning, everyone.

    Very tedious last night. Thunderstorm breaking the heat for Sunday (mostly) is nice but it's still going to be 20C at midnight...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,020

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?

    That has all the veracity of that farcical scene in Their Darkest Hour where Churchill got in touch with the unwashed Olde English yeomanry on a tube journey. As I recall there was a black person in it but I think even they spoke in purest gor blimey.
    Isn’t this a retread of an old Farage line, to wit how uncomfortable he felt hearing foreign chat on the underground? This is the future, old fuds screeching about foreigners in your ear, forever.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,881
    isam said:

    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?







    No one on the tube should be speaking any language. Ok, maybe on the platform...
    The furriners even talk to complete strangers!!

    Pshaw! {adjusts monocle}
    Northerners do that too!
    The other thing is frankly, I don't really regard London as part of the UK. It's part of something bigger, perhaps better. A world city. I think most people from the "provincials" feel this way, and aren't necessarily upset by it.

    There are more similarities with Leith and Shoreditch than there are with Leith and Keith, for example. National and even regional identities are being overtaken by street-level cultural identities.
    Why do people who love the fact London is full of foreigners get upset when other people say no one’s speaking English? It’s like they are happy about something they refuse to admit is happening
    I had a v distressing tube journey the other week that was disrupted by dozens of french school children on an exchange trip who were speaking French! to each other. I thought we had voted Brexit to put a stop to such ordeals.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,881
    fitalass said:

    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Worth noting that Keir Starmer defended an activist who broke into an RAF base to set fire to aircraft. Starmer claimed his client was legally justified because it might stop a war crime.

    If he'd won that argument in 2004, what happened at Brize Norton would be perfectly legal.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1936100131574587419?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Oh FFS Kemi. That's not how barristers work and everyone in your party knows that.

    So stay above the fray and have an attack dog backbencher or scribbler smear Starmer for this.
    I don't understand what Kemi's doing here. Everyone knows that people are entitled to a defence.
    Absolutely every one is entitled to a defence. But Starmer today called what happened at Brize Norton vandalism as if it was someone throwing tomato soup at a painting protected by glass in an art gallery, it was not, it was incredible reckless and expensive sabotage of vital military planes used to protect the UK. The clue was in the fact they were sitting out on the runway at Brize Norton because they were in regular use.
    Here's one hack to disable your enemies aircraft they don't want you to know about!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,460
    isam said:

    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?







    No one on the tube should be speaking any language. Ok, maybe on the platform...
    The furriners even talk to complete strangers!!

    Pshaw! {adjusts monocle}
    Northerners do that too!
    The other thing is frankly, I don't really regard London as part of the UK. It's part of something bigger, perhaps better. A world city. I think most people from the "provincials" feel this way, and aren't necessarily upset by it.

    There are more similarities with Leith and Shoreditch than there are with Leith and Keith, for example. National and even regional identities are being overtaken by street-level cultural identities.
    Why do people who love the fact London is full of foreigners get upset when other people say no one’s speaking English? It’s like they are happy about something they refuse to admit is happening
    Last night you tacitly requested that I don't comment on your posts because you say I am "trolling" you. I would very much like to have commented on this post's content.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,860
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    Good morning everyone.

    It's going to be another hot dya - 29C forecast here. Time for a real early morning walk, I think.

    Newstead Abbey indicated for woodland and lakes, I think.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,860
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    A suggestion that the Israel missile defence system is starting to run out of inventory. The interception rate is quoted as falling from ~90% to ~65%. Cost is running at $200 million per day.

    DW video report.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px72QB_Sr1E
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,460

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?






    If there were tube trains in Carmarthen or Aberystwyth similar confusion would apply, no one would be speaking English.*

    *They would be using a language that predates the imported hybrid English language which is made up of manifold foreign tongues.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,020
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    Pakistan have put forward Trump for the Nobel Peace prize, India saying it’s a load of shite and the US had nothing to do with the cessation of hostilities. Not quite the intention of old Nobel I imagine.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,968

    Pakistan have put forward Trump for the Nobel Peace prize, India saying it’s a load of shite and the US had nothing to do with the cessation of hostilities. Not quite the intention of old Nobel I imagine.

    Donald Trump already has no bell, just not a prize for it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,860
    This I think will be my favourite video today. A wounded Canadian veteran explaining why her cycle is her mobility aid. 4 minutes.

    Delightful quote (paraphrase): "They assume that for disabled people your top half works, and the bottom half doesn't. With me it is the other way round."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Pt5WfwmGM
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,637
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    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?

    I was in town yesterday, and it's true, but it's also true of all great international European and American cities these days - Paris, Berlin, New York and LA are just the same, if not more so, at least LA would if it had a metro worth the name. In many ways it would be more worrying if it WEREN'T true.

    As long as they are tourists bringing money in, or businessmen boosting the economy, who cares what language they speak?

    Personally I find Chinese or Arabic less annoying than pure Glaswegian, or native MME teenagers calling each other Bruv and ending every sentence with "innit?". I can never hear those accents without remembering our shoplifting epidemic and spiralling welfare bill.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,860
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    ydoethur said:

    Pakistan have put forward Trump for the Nobel Peace prize, India saying it’s a load of shite and the US had nothing to do with the cessation of hostilities. Not quite the intention of old Nobel I imagine.

    Donald Trump already has no bell, just not a prize for it.
    Did Nobel offer a prize for blowing things up? Random Houthis, the USA's future, world peace, his own family ...

    Trump can have that one.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 970

    Pakistan have put forward Trump for the Nobel Peace prize, India saying it’s a load of shite and the US had nothing to do with the cessation of hostilities. Not quite the intention of old Nobel I imagine.

    But he'll never get it "whatever he does". Life is so unfair.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5361632-trump-gripes-he-wont-get-nobel-peace-prize-no-matter-what-as-global-conflicts-persist/
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,769
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    London. 2025.

    "You can see it on the faces of provincial families you know who come to London for a birthday weekend and they look confused - there's nobody in the tube carriage who speaks english."

    Goodhart talking to Goodwin

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936156631844196434


    I haven't been to London for ten years so I can't really comment. But really?

    What he means is some people on the tube might speak a foreign language. Shock horror major world city has foreigners in it. And if they’re in the sort of central London tube locales that provincial visitors can be found in they’re probably tourists. Like the provincial visitors.

    And even then it’s an odd comment, because one thing most foreigners do extremely well is speak English.

    This is farcical lying

    The fact is London has gone from about 97% White British to about 37% White British in a few decades. That’s just a statement of fact

    There is no clear parallel in human history for this to happen outside wartime - to a major world city with an established ethnic identity

    This is not a value statement. This change may be a good or bad thing, or a mix of both

    But has it happened? Yes, it has
    "A few" is commonly accepted to be no more than - say - three?

    ChatGPT tells me the last time that was true was before your birth, back in 1961.

    By the 1991 census (which is stretching your definition of "a few") it was already in the 70s.

    Yes, there have been significant changes. But don't make up shit.

    And don't just hammer "like" because you agree with the sentiment.
    Indeed, when I moved back to London for work in 1995 it was pretty much already the case that on the tube, no-one was speaking English. A lot are tourists of course. And it's helped by the fact, as has been pointed out, the natives don't talk very much on the tube.
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