If Labour wants to win in 2029 they need the UK to become a nation of frozen margarita drinkers

System · June 13

If Labour wants to win in 2029 they need the UK to become a nation of frozen margarita drinkers– politicalbetting.com

Main lesson from this is ale drinkers are a powerful political force of their own, not to be omitted.

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Taz · June 13

First, again…….

williamglenn · June 13

This shows that the key swing voters are the daiquiri drinkers. They'll decide whether it's Starmer or Farage next time.

Taz · June 13

I’d have thought the holier than thou Lib Dem’s would have led on the non drinkers

Taz · June 13

williamglenn said:
This shows that the key swing voters are the daiquiri drinkers. They'll decide whether it's Starmer or Farage next time.

I don’t even know what a daiquiri is but if they’re swingers I’m interested

Mexicanpete · June 13

Taz said:
First, again…….

Goal hanging? Nice finish mind.

TheScreamingEagles · June 13

I am spending the afternoon in a hotel bar buying my colleagues alcoholic drinks.

#GoodMuslim

williamglenn · June 13

Taz said:

williamglenn said:
This shows that the key swing voters are the daiquiri drinkers. They'll decide whether it's Starmer or Farage next time.
I don’t even know what a daiquiri is but if they’re swingers I’m interested

There's a famous scene in Priscilla Queen of the Desert where Terence Stamp asks for a Stoli and tonic, a Bloody Mary and a lime daiquiri.

IanB2 · June 13

Taz said:
I’d have thought the holier than thou Lib Dem’s would have led on the non drinkers

Coughing up for your share of the alcohol duty tax take is surely a civic responsibility?

viewcode · June 13

TheScreamingEagles said:
I am spending the afternoon in a hotel bar buying my colleagues alcoholic drinks.

#GoodMuslim

I'm working and listening to "The Deal (2003)" on YouTube. It's fun.

TheScreamingEagles · June 13

viewcode said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I am spending the afternoon in a hotel bar buying my colleagues alcoholic drinks.

#GoodMuslim
I'm working and listening to "The Deal (2003)" on YouTube. It's fun.

You'll be delighted to know I've just bought my tickets for The Fantastic Four.

Mexicanpete · June 13

Rose? How common.

Working class heroes like Sir Nige I understand prefer red wine, a fine quality grape and French of course. Vive la France!

BartholomewRoberts · June 13

biggles said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

TheValiant said:

TOPPING said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:
The Israeli attack on Iran looks increasingly audacious and clever. They’ve taken out half of Iran’s leadership. They’ve paralysed Tehran

Unbelievable stuff

“Similar patterns to the Hezbollah attack. This will likely be revealed as one of the largest operations in modern history. Well-protected sites, top regime officials and key scientists are being targeted. The culmination of decades of Israeli intelligence work inside Iran.”

Mossad agents smuggled weapons into Iran and destroyed Iran’s missile capability from within. So now Iran is defenceless and Israel is pounding the nuclear sites. They won’t stop until it is all pulverised

In this instance I am entirely pro Israel. Go Jerusalem. I hope they take out the entire Iranian elite and the Iranian people are liberated
And yet the audacious and clever Israelis can’t employ a single talking head that might get the rest of the world that aren’t right wing lunatics to feel sympathy towards them. I’ll put that in their ‘things they are very bad at’ folder.
They really, really don't care.
Tell me if I've got this wrong.

Netanyahu knows he'll lose power the minute Israel isn't at war.
The war with Gaza is 'petering' out, mainly because they've now murdered nearly everyone anyway.
So he needs a new war to avoid facing the music.
So he attacks Iran. That'll keep a nice long war going. Fuck Iran, and to be fair, fuck his own civilians and military who will also be murdered in the war.
At least he keeps power.

Is it more complicated than that?
No, its less complicated than that.

Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.
Iran can't be allowed to get nuclear weapons.
Israel can deal with it.
Nobody else wants to deal with it.
Israel have dealt with it.
You don’t see any potential downsides to an escalating conflict between Israel and Iran that might equal the risks of Iran having a couple of bombs?

You’re not willing to consider the Iranian perspective (whether or not you agree with it) and why it may want the bomb, and think about ways the West could help it decide not to purse that route via peaceful negotiation?

Military action of all kinds is messy and painful, and civilians die. You try the other stuff first.

No, I absolutely do not.

That "other stuff" has been tried. The IAEA confirmed Iran is not meeting its obligations. It's had decades to do so.

At what point is enough enough for you?

If not now, then when?

If you can't provide a when, your objection isn't credible.

Mexicanpete · June 13

I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?

FrancisUrquhart · June 13

BartholomewRoberts said:

biggles said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

TheValiant said:

TOPPING said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:
The Israeli attack on Iran looks increasingly audacious and clever. They’ve taken out half of Iran’s leadership. They’ve paralysed Tehran

Unbelievable stuff

“Similar patterns to the Hezbollah attack. This will likely be revealed as one of the largest operations in modern history. Well-protected sites, top regime officials and key scientists are being targeted. The culmination of decades of Israeli intelligence work inside Iran.”

Mossad agents smuggled weapons into Iran and destroyed Iran’s missile capability from within. So now Iran is defenceless and Israel is pounding the nuclear sites. They won’t stop until it is all pulverised

In this instance I am entirely pro Israel. Go Jerusalem. I hope they take out the entire Iranian elite and the Iranian people are liberated
And yet the audacious and clever Israelis can’t employ a single talking head that might get the rest of the world that aren’t right wing lunatics to feel sympathy towards them. I’ll put that in their ‘things they are very bad at’ folder.
They really, really don't care.
Tell me if I've got this wrong.

Netanyahu knows he'll lose power the minute Israel isn't at war.
The war with Gaza is 'petering' out, mainly because they've now murdered nearly everyone anyway.
So he needs a new war to avoid facing the music.
So he attacks Iran. That'll keep a nice long war going. Fuck Iran, and to be fair, fuck his own civilians and military who will also be murdered in the war.
At least he keeps power.

Is it more complicated than that?
No, its less complicated than that.

Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.
Iran can't be allowed to get nuclear weapons.
Israel can deal with it.
Nobody else wants to deal with it.
Israel have dealt with it.
You don’t see any potential downsides to an escalating conflict between Israel and Iran that might equal the risks of Iran having a couple of bombs?

You’re not willing to consider the Iranian perspective (whether or not you agree with it) and why it may want the bomb, and think about ways the West could help it decide not to purse that route via peaceful negotiation?

Military action of all kinds is messy and painful, and civilians die. You try the other stuff first.
No, I absolutely do not.

That "other stuff" has been tried. The IAEA confirmed Iran is not meeting its obligations. It's had decades to do so.

At what point is enough enough for you?

If not now, then when?

If you can't provide a when, your objection isn't credible.

I am fascinated to know how Mossad / Israeli special forces get into Central Iran. It isn't like there are friendly countries around Iran that Israel could launch such an incursion from and they can hardly fly in.

viewcode · June 13

TheScreamingEagles said:

viewcode said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I am spending the afternoon in a hotel bar buying my colleagues alcoholic drinks.

#GoodMuslim
I'm working and listening to "The Deal (2003)" on YouTube. It's fun.
You'll be delighted to know I've just bought my tickets for The Fantastic Four.

[makes teeth-sucking sound]. Weeeeel, it'll...probably be good?

AnneJGP · June 13

Mexicanpete said:
I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?

I thought I just accidentally flagged @taz on the previous thread. If it was me it was fat finger. But does Flag work the same as Like, one touch and it's done? Don't you need to say why?

Fishing · June 13

If they were surveying political drinks, they should have polled window-cleaning fluid, boot polish or toothpaste.

That is what people were forced to drink in the last days of the Soviet Union as even vodka was in short supply, and so have always struck me as the ultimate socialist tipples for the masses, though the elite of course continued to quaff champagne.

A few more years of Reevesonomics and we'll probably be that desperate.

Nigelb · June 13

Fishing said:
If they were surveying political drinks, they should have polled window-cleaning fluid, boot polish or toothpaste.

That is what people were forced to drink in the last days of the Soviet Union as even vodka was in short supply, and so have always struck me as the ultimate socialist tipples for the masses, though the elite of course continued to quaff champagne.

A few more years of Reevesonomics and we'll probably be that desperate.

Also bleach, for the occasional UK MAGA voter ?

bondegezou · June 13

AnneJGP said:

Mexicanpete said:
I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?
I thought I just accidentally flagged @taz on the previous thread. If it was me it was fat finger. But does Flag work the same as Like, one touch and it's done? Don't you need to say why?

We've all had fat fingers!

You don't need to say why: it's just one touch and TSE gets an alert.

bondegezou · June 13

Fishing said:
If they were surveying political drinks, they should have polled window-cleaning fluid, boot polish or toothpaste.

That is what people were forced to drink in the last days of the Soviet Union as even vodka was in short supply, and so have always struck me as the ultimate socialist tipples for the masses, though the elite of course continued to quaff champagne.

A few more years of Reevesonomics and we'll probably be that desperate.

We had Soviet champagne at my sister's wedding (long story). It was... OK.

AnneJGP · June 13

bondegezou said:

AnneJGP said:

Mexicanpete said:
I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?
I thought I just accidentally flagged @taz on the previous thread. If it was me it was fat finger. But does Flag work the same as Like, one touch and it's done? Don't you need to say why?
We've all had fat fingers!

You don't need to say why: it's just one touch and TSE gets an alert.

Does a second touch take it off again like Like?

Apologies for wasting everyone's time. It happens when I'm on my smartphone & scrolling with my left hand.

TheScreamingEagles · June 13

viewcode said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

viewcode said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I am spending the afternoon in a hotel bar buying my colleagues alcoholic drinks.

#GoodMuslim
I'm working and listening to "The Deal (2003)" on YouTube. It's fun.
You'll be delighted to know I've just bought my tickets for The Fantastic Four.
[makes teeth-sucking sound]. Weeeeel, it'll...probably be good?

It has Pedro Pascal in it, it will be awesome, plus Princess Margaret/The White Widow.

FrancisUrquhart · June 13

Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.

Taz · June 13

Mexicanpete said:

Taz said:
First, again…….
Goal hanging? Nice finish mind.

Just pure luck but I’ll take the goal

Back of the net

TheScreamingEagles · June 13

AnneJGP said:

bondegezou said:

AnneJGP said:

Mexicanpete said:
I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?
I thought I just accidentally flagged @taz on the previous thread. If it was me it was fat finger. But does Flag work the same as Like, one touch and it's done? Don't you need to say why?
We've all had fat fingers!

You don't need to say why: it's just one touch and TSE gets an alert.
Does a second touch take it off again like Like?

Apologies for wasting everyone's time. It happens when I'm on my smartphone & scrolling with my left hand.

Yes, a second touch unflags it.

Taz · June 13

IanB2 said:

Taz said:
I’d have thought the holier than thou Lib Dem’s would have led on the non drinkers
Coughing up for your share of the alcohol duty tax take is surely a civic responsibility?

I make my own now 👍

The Tory reform to the duty regime has been a disaster. Loads of beers now 3.4%. May as well drink tap water.

Taz · June 13

AnneJGP said:

Mexicanpete said:
I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?
I thought I just accidentally flagged @taz on the previous thread. If it was me it was fat finger. But does Flag work the same as Like, one touch and it's done? Don't you need to say why?

OMG what did I say !!!!

Taz · June 13

bondegezou said:

AnneJGP said:

Mexicanpete said:
I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?
I thought I just accidentally flagged @taz on the previous thread. If it was me it was fat finger. But does Flag work the same as Like, one touch and it's done? Don't you need to say why?
We've all had fat fingers!

You don't need to say why: it's just one touch and TSE gets an alert.

Presumably after a second touch and it’s removed the alert goes ?

twistedfirestopper3 · June 13

TheScreamingEagles said:

viewcode said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

viewcode said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I am spending the afternoon in a hotel bar buying my colleagues alcoholic drinks.

#GoodMuslim
I'm working and listening to "The Deal (2003)" on YouTube. It's fun.
You'll be delighted to know I've just bought my tickets for The Fantastic Four.
[makes teeth-sucking sound]. Weeeeel, it'll...probably be good?
It has Pedro Pascal in it, it will be awesome, plus Princess Margaret/The White Widow.

Pedro Pascal needs to be a bit more choosy. Superhero movies are on the way out, thank feck!

FrancisUrquhart · June 13

Taz said:

Mexicanpete said:

Taz said:
First, again…….
Goal hanging? Nice finish mind.
Just pure luck but I’ll take the goal

Back of the net

Alright Gary (Lineker) calm down...if you get too excited you can end up accidentally linking to antisemetic videos.

Taz · June 13

However did she lose

FrancisUrquhart · June 13

TheScreamingEagles said:

viewcode said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

viewcode said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
I am spending the afternoon in a hotel bar buying my colleagues alcoholic drinks.

#GoodMuslim
I'm working and listening to "The Deal (2003)" on YouTube. It's fun.
You'll be delighted to know I've just bought my tickets for The Fantastic Four.
[makes teeth-sucking sound]. Weeeeel, it'll...probably be good?
It has Pedro Pascal in it, it will be awesome, plus Princess Margaret/The White Widow.

Check notes... Mandalorian.....Last of Us.....The Fantastic Four...

Taz · June 13

FrancisUrquhart said:

Taz said:

Mexicanpete said:

Taz said:
First, again…….
Goal hanging? Nice finish mind.
Just pure luck but I’ll take the goal

Back of the net
Alright Gary (Lineker) calm down...if you get too excited you can end up accidentally linking to antisemetic videos.

I’m glad you clarified Lineker. I’d have been mortified if it was Glitter !!

twistedfirestopper3 · June 13

Taz said:

However did she lose

If that's genuine, she needs a refund off her design agency.

isam · June 13

BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

RobD · June 13

Taz said:

However did she lose

Pretty sure that wasn't used by her in the campaign, and that the image dates from this year.

Foss · June 13

That's like the Rule 34 version of the old Ubuntu logo...

rcs1000 · June 13

What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

twistedfirestopper3 · June 13

RobD said:

Taz said:

However did she lose
Pretty sure that wasn't used by her in the campaign, and that the image dates from this year.

I just can't see that being genuine. You can't look at that and not think that's plain wrong.

Cicero · June 13

FrancisUrquhart said:
Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.

Diesel

RobD · June 13

twistedfirestopper3 said:

RobD said:

Taz said:

However did she lose
Pretty sure that wasn't used by her in the campaign, and that the image dates from this year.
I ust can't see that being genuine.

Because it isn't.

numbertwelve · June 13

isam said:
BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.

Luckyguy1983 · June 13

numbertwelve said:

isam said:
BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.

It also looks like the faintest slither of an olivey looking twig from Lowe to Yusuf. Given the latter tried to have the former arrested, it is notable.

AnneJGP · June 13

TheScreamingEagles said:

AnneJGP said:

bondegezou said:

AnneJGP said:

Mexicanpete said:
I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?
I thought I just accidentally flagged @taz on the previous thread. If it was me it was fat finger. But does Flag work the same as Like, one touch and it's done? Don't you need to say why?
We've all had fat fingers!

You don't need to say why: it's just one touch and TSE gets an alert.
Does a second touch take it off again like Like?

Apologies for wasting everyone's time. It happens when I'm on my smartphone & scrolling with my left hand.
Yes, a second touch unflags it.

Thanks. I just tried to unflag that comment and it didn't so presumably not me (or too late).

Scott_xP · June 13

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

Your taste in alcohol almost as bad as your taste in music?

Gin & tonic is not only acceptable, but necessary to prevent malaria

rcs1000 · June 13

BartholomewRoberts said:

biggles said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

TheValiant said:

TOPPING said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:
The Israeli attack on Iran looks increasingly audacious and clever. They’ve taken out half of Iran’s leadership. They’ve paralysed Tehran

Unbelievable stuff

“Similar patterns to the Hezbollah attack. This will likely be revealed as one of the largest operations in modern history. Well-protected sites, top regime officials and key scientists are being targeted. The culmination of decades of Israeli intelligence work inside Iran.”

Mossad agents smuggled weapons into Iran and destroyed Iran’s missile capability from within. So now Iran is defenceless and Israel is pounding the nuclear sites. They won’t stop until it is all pulverised

In this instance I am entirely pro Israel. Go Jerusalem. I hope they take out the entire Iranian elite and the Iranian people are liberated
And yet the audacious and clever Israelis can’t employ a single talking head that might get the rest of the world that aren’t right wing lunatics to feel sympathy towards them. I’ll put that in their ‘things they are very bad at’ folder.
They really, really don't care.
Tell me if I've got this wrong.

Netanyahu knows he'll lose power the minute Israel isn't at war.
The war with Gaza is 'petering' out, mainly because they've now murdered nearly everyone anyway.
So he needs a new war to avoid facing the music.
So he attacks Iran. That'll keep a nice long war going. Fuck Iran, and to be fair, fuck his own civilians and military who will also be murdered in the war.
At least he keeps power.

Is it more complicated than that?
No, its less complicated than that.

Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.
Iran can't be allowed to get nuclear weapons.
Israel can deal with it.
Nobody else wants to deal with it.
Israel have dealt with it.
You don’t see any potential downsides to an escalating conflict between Israel and Iran that might equal the risks of Iran having a couple of bombs?

You’re not willing to consider the Iranian perspective (whether or not you agree with it) and why it may want the bomb, and think about ways the West could help it decide not to purse that route via peaceful negotiation?

Military action of all kinds is messy and painful, and civilians die. You try the other stuff first.
No, I absolutely do not.

That "other stuff" has been tried. The IAEA confirmed Iran is not meeting its obligations. It's had decades to do so.

At what point is enough enough for you?

If not now, then when?

If you can't provide a when, your objection isn't credible.

Presumably if Iran were to exit the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty - joining India, Pakistan, North Korea, and Israel - that would satisfy your concens?

FrancisUrquhart · June 13

numbertwelve said:

isam said:
BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.

It isn't even a clever lawyerly type obfuscation. It is easy to demonstrate it is untrue and also the public already well aware of this, in fact most of the public don't believe there are even many genuine asylum seekers among them.

It isn't like making some claim about something the public won't really understand, will find hard to work out and could be measured if different ways which gives you plenty of wiggle room. That been said we do know that Labour have had a lot of trouble being able to define what exactly a woman is.

Yet more evidence of how shit our politicians are, they can't even do the ~~lying~~ bending the truth properly.

Big_G_NorthWales · June 13

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

Good afternoon

Welsh cider or indeed any cider ????

AnneJGP · June 13

Taz said:

AnneJGP said:

Mexicanpete said:
I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?
I thought I just accidentally flagged @taz on the previous thread. If it was me it was fat finger. But does Flag work the same as Like, one touch and it's done? Don't you need to say why?
OMG what did I say !!!!

Nothing objectionable - not to me at any rate. I was scrolling left-handed and there was this 'flag'. I might have done it accidentally or someone else might have.

Taz · June 13

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

I’m really into stuff like Grappa, Slivovice, Tsikoudia and all of the spirits distilled in Eastern Europe. Love Kotor in Montenegro where the women sit outside the old city flogging bottles.

Big_G_NorthWales · June 13

numbertwelve said:

isam said:
BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.

I saw the clip, and was astonished how Darren Jones could score such an obvious and ridiculous own goal

Labour really needs to up it's game on this subject

Taz · June 13

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
Good afternoon

Welsh cider or indeed any cider ????

Made from juice not concentrate.

I’ve had some great cider in Wales.

viewcode · June 13

Taz said:

However did she lose

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_jerk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-penetrative_sex#Mutual_masturbation

Taz · June 13

Scott_xP said:

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
Your taste in alcohol almost as bad as your taste in music?

Gin & tonic is not only acceptable, but necessary to prevent malaria

I’m worried about getting malaria. I think I’ll have some gin later

Taz · June 13

Can we all agree Madri, the spirit of Madrid, is ace.

Scott_xP · June 13

Taz said:

Scott_xP said:

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
Your taste in alcohol almost as bad as your taste in music?

Gin & tonic is not only acceptable, but necessary to prevent malaria
I’m worried about getting malaria. I think I’ll have some gin later

I drink G&T

I have never had malaria

QED

Casino_Royale · June 13

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

What about Sex on the Beach?

rcs1000 · June 13

twistedfirestopper3 said:

Taz said:

However did she lose
If that's genuine, she needs a refund off her design agency.

It's not real.

It's funny, but it's not real.

Scott_xP · June 13

After appointing the craziest MAGA conspiracy theorists they could find to run the FBI, people are worried they are not crazy enough...

https://x.com/TomFitton/status/1933541980308435405

isam · June 13

Big_G_NorthWales said:

numbertwelve said:

isam said:
BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.
I saw the clip, and was astonished how Darren Jones could score such an obvious and ridiculous own goal

Labour really needs to up it's game on this subject

Observed foresight from 2023

Note to Keir Starmer - get Darren Jones out in front of the TV cameras at every possible opportunity.

https://x.com/spajw/status/1727271276748865791?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

twistedfirestopper3 · June 13

I knocked drinking on the head 4 years ago and I'm pretty happy with the non alcoholic beers that are around. I like Mash Gang, Beavertown, Charnwood Brewey...in fact loads of the less well known brands do good stuff. Forget the big brands, although Guiness, Corona and Peroni offer a decent experience.
There's a couple of wines that are OKish, Wolf Blass Shiraz and Sauvignon plus Tesco Malbec put up a decent fight.
Spirits though, are universally shite. About the best I've found ( and I've tried a lot!) is Pathfinder Hemp and Root. Gives off a bit of a jagermeister vibe.
Anyone with any spirit suggestions, please pipe up.
I voted Green the past couple of times. Probably should drink a craft IPA.

rcs1000 · June 13

Casino_Royale said:

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
What about Sex on the Beach?

It's a cocktail and therefore the sign of some kind of mental infirmity or breakdown.

Scott_xP · June 13

rcs1000 said:

twistedfirestopper3 said:

Taz said:

However did she lose
If that's genuine, she needs a refund off her design agency.
It's not real.

It's funny, but it's not real.

Silicon Valley, Season 1

Middle out...

Battlebus · June 13

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
Good afternoon

Welsh cider or indeed any cider ????

If your wife is a Lossie quine, then potato wine.

carnforth · June 13

isam said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

numbertwelve said:

isam said:
BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.
I saw the clip, and was astonished how Darren Jones could score such an obvious and ridiculous own goal

Labour really needs to up it's game on this subject
Observed foresight from 2023

Note to Keir Starmer - get Darren Jones out in front of the TV cameras at every possible opportunity.

https://x.com/spajw/status/1727271276748865791?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

Rogerdamus, the day before yesterday:

Roger said:
Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

Theuniondivvie · June 13

FrancisUrquhart said:
Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.

I suspect it would be Georgian champagne which appears quite a lot in Soviet and pre Soviet literature. As our newly departed bon vivant has recounted Georgia has a long and noble winemaking tradition.
Of course they’re not allowed to call it champers any more.

Taz · June 13

Scott_xP said:

Taz said:

Scott_xP said:

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
Your taste in alcohol almost as bad as your taste in music?

Gin & tonic is not only acceptable, but necessary to prevent malaria
I’m worried about getting malaria. I think I’ll have some gin later
I drink G&T

I have never had malaria

QED

That’s good enough for me

Luckyguy1983 · June 13

Theuniondivvie said:

FrancisUrquhart said:
Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.
I suspect it would be Georgian champagne which appears quite a lot in Soviet and pre Soviet literature. As our newly departed bon vivant has recounted Georgia has a long and noble winemaking tradition.
Of course they’re not allowed to call it champers any more.

What did he do?

numbertwelve · June 13

carnforth said:

isam said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

numbertwelve said:

isam said:
BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.
I saw the clip, and was astonished how Darren Jones could score such an obvious and ridiculous own goal

Labour really needs to up it's game on this subject
Observed foresight from 2023

Note to Keir Starmer - get Darren Jones out in front of the TV cameras at every possible opportunity.

https://x.com/spajw/status/1727271276748865791?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Rogerdamus, the day before yesterday:
Roger said:
Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

Wasn’t it Darren Jones who made the “pocket money” gaffe recently too?

He does come across as a confident media performer (and crikey, the Labour Party don’t have many of them) but he does seem to have developed foot-in-mouth syndrome.

williamglenn · June 13

Theuniondivvie said:

FrancisUrquhart said:
Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.
I suspect it would be Georgian champagne which appears quite a lot in Soviet and pre Soviet literature. As our newly departed bon vivant has recounted Georgia has a long and noble winemaking tradition.
Of course they’re not allowed to call it champers any more.

Actually I think a lot of it was from Crimea.

Luckyguy1983 · June 13

carnforth said:

isam said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

numbertwelve said:

isam said:
BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.
I saw the clip, and was astonished how Darren Jones could score such an obvious and ridiculous own goal

Labour really needs to up it's game on this subject
Observed foresight from 2023

Note to Keir Starmer - get Darren Jones out in front of the TV cameras at every possible opportunity.

https://x.com/spajw/status/1727271276748865791?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Rogerdamus, the day before yesterday:
Roger said:
Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

Bless Roger. Never change!

Taz · June 13

rcs1000 said:

twistedfirestopper3 said:

Taz said:

However did she lose
If that's genuine, she needs a refund off her design agency.
It's not real.

It's funny, but it's not real.

But this is real.

https://youtube.com/shorts/86fPsfkUskE?si=qyIa8GGPgp5bYKTw

FrancisUrquhart · June 13

Scott_xP said:

rcs1000 said:

twistedfirestopper3 said:

Taz said:

However did she lose
If that's genuine, she needs a refund off her design agency.
It's not real.

It's funny, but it's not real.
Silicon Valley, Season 1

Middle out...

Got to get the correct T2F and T2O ratios....

Andy_JS · June 13

twistedfirestopper3 said:
I knocked drinking on the head 4 years ago and I'm pretty happy with the non alcoholic beers that are around. I like Mash Gang, Beavertown, Charnwood Brewey...in fact loads of the less well known brands do good stuff. Forget the big brands, although Guiness, Corona and Peroni offer a decent experience.
There's a couple of wines that are OKish, Wolf Blass Shiraz and Sauvignon plus Tesco Malbec put up a decent fight.
Spirits though, are universally shite. About the best I've found ( and I've tried a lot!) is Pathfinder Hemp and Root. Gives off a bit of a jagermeister vibe.
Anyone with any spirit suggestions, please pipe up.
I voted Green the past couple of times. Probably should drink a craft IPA.

For me it was 3 years ago. Finally got used to the beers available.

JosiasJessop · June 13

In rather hilarious news, a Russian SU-25 was shot down by his wingman, using unguided missiles...

https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1933548320443806075

Nigelb · June 13

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

Also, soju.

Big_G_NorthWales · June 13

Battlebus said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
Good afternoon

Welsh cider or indeed any cider ????
If your wife is a Lossie quine, then potato wine.

My wife is very much TT though she is proud to be a Lossie quine

Foss · June 13

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
Also, soju.

The lack of Stout in this thread is saddening.

Taz · June 13

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
Also, soju.

I’ve recently discovered Soju.

I’m rather impressed. Hi-You in Newcastle has a good range of far east booze.

The Jinru Plum variant is excellent.

Nigelb · June 13

Scott_xP said:

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
Your taste in alcohol almost as bad as your taste in music?

Gin & tonic is not only acceptable, but necessary to prevent malaria

Not these days.
Back in the 70s, in Mediterranean Europe, the tonic water still had medicinal levels of quinine in it. Probably where my taste for really bitter stuff comes from.

Nigelb · June 13

Taz said:

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
Also, soju.
I’ve recently discovered Soju.

I’m rather impressed. Hi-You in Newcastle has a good range of far east booze.

The Jinru Plum variant is excellent.

Classic all the way for me, I'm afraid. None of the flavoured stuff.

FrancisUrquhart · June 13

Taz said:

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
Also, soju.
I’ve recently discovered Soju.

I’m rather impressed. Hi-You in Newcastle has a good range of far east booze.

The Jinru Plum variant is excellent.

I have a Korean friend who once took me on a tour of Vancouver's South Korean Diaspora hang outs on the Soju.....it was soon all a blur.

Battlebus · June 13

Theuniondivvie said:

FrancisUrquhart said:
Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.
I suspect it would be Georgian champagne which appears quite a lot in Soviet and pre Soviet literature. As our newly departed bon vivant has recounted Georgia has a long and noble winemaking tradition.
Of course they’re not allowed to call it champers any more.

Georgian reds are excellent. Robust and go well with any red meat.

rcs1000 · June 13

Foss said:

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
Also, soju.
The lack of Stout in this thread is saddening.

I'm sorry, I only included drinks which are actually purchasable.

Nigelb · June 13

JosiasJessop said:
In rather hilarious news, a Russian SU-25 was shot down by his wingman, using unguided missiles...

https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1933548320443806075

Or the rocket pod malfunctioned and blew half the wing off, which seems more likely.

Malmesbury · June 13

Battlebus said:

Theuniondivvie said:

FrancisUrquhart said:
Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.
I suspect it would be Georgian champagne which appears quite a lot in Soviet and pre Soviet literature. As our newly departed bon vivant has recounted Georgia has a long and noble winemaking tradition.
Of course they’re not allowed to call it champers any more.
Georgian reds are excellent. Robust and go well with any red meat.

Georgian fizz can be very good. Usually sweet, though. At least I have seen a dry one, yet.

IanB2 · June 13

Mexicanpete said:
I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?

You should have been banned, for complimenting Leon on criticising someone else for being the worst kind of ethno-nationalist, devoid of any redeeming features, and for totally missing the irony.

BartholomewRoberts · June 13

rcs1000 said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

biggles said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

TheValiant said:

TOPPING said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:
The Israeli attack on Iran looks increasingly audacious and clever. They’ve taken out half of Iran’s leadership. They’ve paralysed Tehran

Unbelievable stuff

“Similar patterns to the Hezbollah attack. This will likely be revealed as one of the largest operations in modern history. Well-protected sites, top regime officials and key scientists are being targeted. The culmination of decades of Israeli intelligence work inside Iran.”

Mossad agents smuggled weapons into Iran and destroyed Iran’s missile capability from within. So now Iran is defenceless and Israel is pounding the nuclear sites. They won’t stop until it is all pulverised

In this instance I am entirely pro Israel. Go Jerusalem. I hope they take out the entire Iranian elite and the Iranian people are liberated
And yet the audacious and clever Israelis can’t employ a single talking head that might get the rest of the world that aren’t right wing lunatics to feel sympathy towards them. I’ll put that in their ‘things they are very bad at’ folder.
They really, really don't care.
Tell me if I've got this wrong.

Netanyahu knows he'll lose power the minute Israel isn't at war.
The war with Gaza is 'petering' out, mainly because they've now murdered nearly everyone anyway.
So he needs a new war to avoid facing the music.
So he attacks Iran. That'll keep a nice long war going. Fuck Iran, and to be fair, fuck his own civilians and military who will also be murdered in the war.
At least he keeps power.

Is it more complicated than that?
No, its less complicated than that.

Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.
Iran can't be allowed to get nuclear weapons.
Israel can deal with it.
Nobody else wants to deal with it.
Israel have dealt with it.
You don’t see any potential downsides to an escalating conflict between Israel and Iran that might equal the risks of Iran having a couple of bombs?

You’re not willing to consider the Iranian perspective (whether or not you agree with it) and why it may want the bomb, and think about ways the West could help it decide not to purse that route via peaceful negotiation?

Military action of all kinds is messy and painful, and civilians die. You try the other stuff first.
No, I absolutely do not.

That "other stuff" has been tried. The IAEA confirmed Iran is not meeting its obligations. It's had decades to do so.

At what point is enough enough for you?

If not now, then when?

If you can't provide a when, your objection isn't credible.
Presumably if Iran were to exit the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty - joining India, Pakistan, North Korea, and Israel - that would satisfy your concens?

Of course not.

That would bring it into compliance with international law, but my objection hasn't once been the law.

In line with my long-standing beliefs I don't care too much for international law, which is more guidelines than actual rules anyway.

My concerns are far simpler: Iran can not be trusted with nukes and must be stopped before they get them.

Sean_F · June 13

It’s quite startling that out of 28 by-, or deferred, elections since 1/5/25, the results have been:

Reform 13, Lib Dem 10, Green 2, Labour 1, Cons. 1, SNP 1.

BartholomewRoberts · June 13

This is a rum thread, the best drink is missing.

Malmesbury · June 13

FrancisUrquhart said:

numbertwelve said:

isam said:
BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.
It isn't even a clever lawyerly type obfuscation. It is easy to demonstrate it is untrue and also the public already well aware of this, in fact most of the public don't believe there are even many genuine asylum seekers among them.

It isn't like making some claim about something the public won't really understand, will find hard to work out and could be measured if different ways which gives you plenty of wiggle room. That been said we do know that Labour have had a lot of trouble being able to define what exactly a woman is.

Yet more evidence of how shit our politicians are, they can't even do the ~~lying~~ bending the truth properly.

It’s more, I think, that he thought - “Reform are liars. Why can’t I just lie as well”

Forgetting the wisdom about mud wrestling with pigs - you get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

Taz · June 13

Nigelb said:

Taz said:

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
Also, soju.
I’ve recently discovered Soju.

I’m rather impressed. Hi-You in Newcastle has a good range of far east booze.

The Jinru Plum variant is excellent.
Classic all the way for me, I'm afraid. None of the flavoured stuff.

So is classic just unflavoured ? I’m in the toon next week and will look it up.

I’ve had a love of plum sake ever since I had some at Michael O’Hare’s place in Leeds.

Always keen to try new stuff.

If flavoured Soju is to S Koreans what fruit flavoured cider is to me, an abomination, I’ll have to try the proper stuff.

Scott_xP · June 13

@farnazfassihi

NEWS: Iranian sources say Gen. Ismail Ghaani, the Quds Forces commander, in charge of proxies in the region has been killed. The senior chain of command has collapsed.

Taz · June 13

FrancisUrquhart said:

Taz said:

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
Also, soju.
I’ve recently discovered Soju.

I’m rather impressed. Hi-You in Newcastle has a good range of far east booze.

The Jinru Plum variant is excellent.
I have a Korean friend who once took me on a tour of Vancouver's South Korean Diaspora hang outs on the Soju.....it was soon all a blur.

There’s no other way.

Sean_F · June 13

Theuniondivvie said:

FrancisUrquhart said:
Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.
I suspect it would be Georgian champagne which appears quite a lot in Soviet and pre Soviet literature. As our newly departed bon vivant has recounted Georgia has a long and noble winemaking tradition.
Of course they’re not allowed to call it champers any more.

Flashman got an awful dose of wind, after drinking Crimean champagne. Then, he farted uproariously, during the Charge of the Light Brigade.

Scott_xP · June 13

@PippaCrerar

UPDATE: Former Tory MP Craig Williams and 14 other people facing allegations of cheating by gambling on date of last year’s general election are to go on trial.

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1933555070215283169

Taz · June 13

Malmesbury said:

Battlebus said:

Theuniondivvie said:

FrancisUrquhart said:
Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.
I suspect it would be Georgian champagne which appears quite a lot in Soviet and pre Soviet literature. As our newly departed bon vivant has recounted Georgia has a long and noble winemaking tradition.
Of course they’re not allowed to call it champers any more.
Georgian reds are excellent. Robust and go well with any red meat.
Georgian fizz can be very good. Usually sweet, though. At least I have seen a dry one, yet.

Ooh, not seen Georgian fizz. Will look it up. Had Georgian Red and it’s lovely. Also had a Georgian spirit which was rather good too.

Andy_JS · June 13

Sean_F said:
It’s quite startling that out of 28 by-, or deferred, elections since 1/5/25, the results have been:

Reform 13, Lib Dem 10, Green 2, Labour 1, Cons. 1, SNP 1.

And the one Tory win was only because Reform nominated 3 candidates for 2 seats.

FrancisUrquhart · June 13

Taz said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Taz said:

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:
What a ridiculous poll.

There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

- Bitter
- Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
- Wine
- Whisky (single malts)
- Brandy

And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
Also, soju.
I’ve recently discovered Soju.

I’m rather impressed. Hi-You in Newcastle has a good range of far east booze.

The Jinru Plum variant is excellent.
I have a Korean friend who once took me on a tour of Vancouver's South Korean Diaspora hang outs on the Soju.....it was soon all a blur.
There’s no other way.

I believe there may have been a healthy dose of Karoke in there too but I can't really remember.

FrancisUrquhart · June 13

Israel launching fresh attacks on Iran.

Just popping to load up the nuclear bomb shelter at the end of the garden with extra supplies.

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