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If Labour wants to win in 2029 they need the UK to become a nation of frozen margarita drinkers

SystemSystem Posts: 12,598
edited June 17 in General
If Labour wants to win in 2029 they need the UK to become a nation of frozen margarita drinkers– politicalbetting.com

Main lesson from this is ale drinkers are a powerful political force of their own, not to be omitted.

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  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    edited June 13
    First, again…….
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    This shows that the key swing voters are the daiquiri drinkers. They'll decide whether it's Starmer or Farage next time.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    I’d have thought the holier than thou Lib Dem’s would have led on the non drinkers
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    williamglenn said:

    This shows that the key swing voters are the daiquiri drinkers. They'll decide whether it's Starmer or Farage next time.

    I don’t even know what a daiquiri is but if they’re swingers I’m interested
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,379
    Taz said:

    First, again…….

    Goal hanging? Nice finish mind.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    I am spending the afternoon in a hotel bar buying my colleagues alcoholic drinks.

    #GoodMuslim
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Taz said:

    williamglenn said:

    This shows that the key swing voters are the daiquiri drinkers. They'll decide whether it's Starmer or Farage next time.

    I don’t even know what a daiquiri is but if they’re swingers I’m interested
    There's a famous scene in Priscilla Queen of the Desert where Terence Stamp asks for a Stoli and tonic, a Bloody Mary and a lime daiquiri.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,529
    Taz said:

    I’d have thought the holier than thou Lib Dem’s would have led on the non drinkers

    Coughing up for your share of the alcohol duty tax take is surely a civic responsibility?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,362
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am spending the afternoon in a hotel bar buying my colleagues alcoholic drinks.

    #GoodMuslim

    I'm working and listening to "The Deal (2003)" on YouTube. It's fun.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am spending the afternoon in a hotel bar buying my colleagues alcoholic drinks.

    #GoodMuslim

    I'm working and listening to "The Deal (2003)" on YouTube. It's fun.
    You'll be delighted to know I've just bought my tickets for The Fantastic Four.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,379
    Rose? How common.

    Working class heroes like Sir Nige I understand prefer red wine, a fine quality grape and French of course. Vive la France!
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,487
    biggles said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    TheValiant said:

    TOPPING said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Leon said:

    The Israeli attack on Iran looks increasingly audacious and clever. They’ve taken out half of Iran’s leadership. They’ve paralysed Tehran

    Unbelievable stuff

    “Similar patterns to the Hezbollah attack. This will likely be revealed as one of the largest operations in modern history. Well-protected sites, top regime officials and key scientists are being targeted. The culmination of decades of Israeli intelligence work inside Iran.”

    Mossad agents smuggled weapons into Iran and destroyed Iran’s missile capability from within. So now Iran is defenceless and Israel is pounding the nuclear sites. They won’t stop until it is all pulverised


    In this instance I am entirely pro Israel. Go Jerusalem. I hope they take out the entire Iranian elite and the Iranian people are liberated

    And yet the audacious and clever Israelis can’t employ a single talking head that might get the rest of the world that aren’t right wing lunatics to feel sympathy towards them. I’ll put that in their ‘things they are very bad at’ folder.
    They really, really don't care.
    Tell me if I've got this wrong.

    Netanyahu knows he'll lose power the minute Israel isn't at war.
    The war with Gaza is 'petering' out, mainly because they've now murdered nearly everyone anyway.
    So he needs a new war to avoid facing the music.
    So he attacks Iran. That'll keep a nice long war going. Fuck Iran, and to be fair, fuck his own civilians and military who will also be murdered in the war.
    At least he keeps power.

    Is it more complicated than that?
    No, its less complicated than that.

    Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.
    Iran can't be allowed to get nuclear weapons.
    Israel can deal with it.
    Nobody else wants to deal with it.
    Israel have dealt with it.
    You don’t see any potential downsides to an escalating conflict between Israel and Iran that might equal the risks of Iran having a couple of bombs?

    You’re not willing to consider the Iranian perspective (whether or not you agree with it) and why it may want the bomb, and think about ways the West could help it decide not to purse that route via peaceful negotiation?

    Military action of all kinds is messy and painful, and civilians die. You try the other stuff first.
    No, I absolutely do not.

    That "other stuff" has been tried. The IAEA confirmed Iran is not meeting its obligations. It's had decades to do so.

    At what point is enough enough for you?

    If not now, then when?

    If you can't provide a when, your objection isn't credible.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,379
    I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited June 13
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    biggles said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    TheValiant said:

    TOPPING said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Leon said:

    The Israeli attack on Iran looks increasingly audacious and clever. They’ve taken out half of Iran’s leadership. They’ve paralysed Tehran

    Unbelievable stuff

    “Similar patterns to the Hezbollah attack. This will likely be revealed as one of the largest operations in modern history. Well-protected sites, top regime officials and key scientists are being targeted. The culmination of decades of Israeli intelligence work inside Iran.”

    Mossad agents smuggled weapons into Iran and destroyed Iran’s missile capability from within. So now Iran is defenceless and Israel is pounding the nuclear sites. They won’t stop until it is all pulverised


    In this instance I am entirely pro Israel. Go Jerusalem. I hope they take out the entire Iranian elite and the Iranian people are liberated

    And yet the audacious and clever Israelis can’t employ a single talking head that might get the rest of the world that aren’t right wing lunatics to feel sympathy towards them. I’ll put that in their ‘things they are very bad at’ folder.
    They really, really don't care.
    Tell me if I've got this wrong.

    Netanyahu knows he'll lose power the minute Israel isn't at war.
    The war with Gaza is 'petering' out, mainly because they've now murdered nearly everyone anyway.
    So he needs a new war to avoid facing the music.
    So he attacks Iran. That'll keep a nice long war going. Fuck Iran, and to be fair, fuck his own civilians and military who will also be murdered in the war.
    At least he keeps power.

    Is it more complicated than that?
    No, its less complicated than that.

    Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.
    Iran can't be allowed to get nuclear weapons.
    Israel can deal with it.
    Nobody else wants to deal with it.
    Israel have dealt with it.
    You don’t see any potential downsides to an escalating conflict between Israel and Iran that might equal the risks of Iran having a couple of bombs?

    You’re not willing to consider the Iranian perspective (whether or not you agree with it) and why it may want the bomb, and think about ways the West could help it decide not to purse that route via peaceful negotiation?

    Military action of all kinds is messy and painful, and civilians die. You try the other stuff first.
    No, I absolutely do not.

    That "other stuff" has been tried. The IAEA confirmed Iran is not meeting its obligations. It's had decades to do so.

    At what point is enough enough for you?

    If not now, then when?

    If you can't provide a when, your objection isn't credible.
    I am fascinated to know how Mossad / Israeli special forces get into Central Iran. It isn't like there are friendly countries around Iran that Israel could launch such an incursion from and they can hardly fly in.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,362
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am spending the afternoon in a hotel bar buying my colleagues alcoholic drinks.

    #GoodMuslim

    I'm working and listening to "The Deal (2003)" on YouTube. It's fun.
    You'll be delighted to know I've just bought my tickets for The Fantastic Four.
    [makes teeth-sucking sound]. Weeeeel, it'll...probably be good?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,776
    Mexicanpete said:

    I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?

    I thought I just accidentally flagged @taz on the previous thread. If it was me it was fat finger. But does Flag work the same as Like, one touch and it's done? Don't you need to say why?
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,745
    edited June 13
    If they were surveying political drinks, they should have polled window-cleaning fluid, boot polish or toothpaste.

    That is what people were forced to drink in the last days of the Soviet Union as even vodka was in short supply, and so have always struck me as the ultimate socialist tipples for the masses, though the elite of course continued to quaff champagne.

    A few more years of Reevesonomics and we'll probably be that desperate.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    Fishing said:

    If they were surveying political drinks, they should have polled window-cleaning fluid, boot polish or toothpaste.

    That is what people were forced to drink in the last days of the Soviet Union as even vodka was in short supply, and so have always struck me as the ultimate socialist tipples for the masses, though the elite of course continued to quaff champagne.

    A few more years of Reevesonomics and we'll probably be that desperate.

    Also bleach, for the occasional UK MAGA voter ?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,355
    AnneJGP said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?

    I thought I just accidentally flagged @taz on the previous thread. If it was me it was fat finger. But does Flag work the same as Like, one touch and it's done? Don't you need to say why?
    We've all had fat fingers!

    You don't need to say why: it's just one touch and TSE gets an alert.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,355
    Fishing said:

    If they were surveying political drinks, they should have polled window-cleaning fluid, boot polish or toothpaste.

    That is what people were forced to drink in the last days of the Soviet Union as even vodka was in short supply, and so have always struck me as the ultimate socialist tipples for the masses, though the elite of course continued to quaff champagne.

    A few more years of Reevesonomics and we'll probably be that desperate.

    We had Soviet champagne at my sister's wedding (long story). It was... OK.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,776
    bondegezou said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?

    I thought I just accidentally flagged @taz on the previous thread. If it was me it was fat finger. But does Flag work the same as Like, one touch and it's done? Don't you need to say why?
    We've all had fat fingers!

    You don't need to say why: it's just one touch and TSE gets an alert.
    Does a second touch take it off again like Like?

    Apologies for wasting everyone's time. It happens when I'm on my smartphone & scrolling with my left hand.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am spending the afternoon in a hotel bar buying my colleagues alcoholic drinks.

    #GoodMuslim

    I'm working and listening to "The Deal (2003)" on YouTube. It's fun.
    You'll be delighted to know I've just bought my tickets for The Fantastic Four.
    [makes teeth-sucking sound]. Weeeeel, it'll...probably be good?
    It has Pedro Pascal in it, it will be awesome, plus Princess Margaret/The White Widow.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    First, again…….

    Goal hanging? Nice finish mind.
    Just pure luck but I’ll take the goal

    Back of the net
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    AnneJGP said:

    bondegezou said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?

    I thought I just accidentally flagged @taz on the previous thread. If it was me it was fat finger. But does Flag work the same as Like, one touch and it's done? Don't you need to say why?
    We've all had fat fingers!

    You don't need to say why: it's just one touch and TSE gets an alert.
    Does a second touch take it off again like Like?

    Apologies for wasting everyone's time. It happens when I'm on my smartphone & scrolling with my left hand.
    Yes, a second touch unflags it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    I’d have thought the holier than thou Lib Dem’s would have led on the non drinkers

    Coughing up for your share of the alcohol duty tax take is surely a civic responsibility?
    I make my own now 👍

    The Tory reform to the duty regime has been a disaster. Loads of beers now 3.4%. May as well drink tap water.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    AnneJGP said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?

    I thought I just accidentally flagged @taz on the previous thread. If it was me it was fat finger. But does Flag work the same as Like, one touch and it's done? Don't you need to say why?
    OMG what did I say !!!!
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    bondegezou said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?

    I thought I just accidentally flagged @taz on the previous thread. If it was me it was fat finger. But does Flag work the same as Like, one touch and it's done? Don't you need to say why?
    We've all had fat fingers!

    You don't need to say why: it's just one touch and TSE gets an alert.
    Presumably after a second touch and it’s removed the alert goes ?
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,641
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am spending the afternoon in a hotel bar buying my colleagues alcoholic drinks.

    #GoodMuslim

    I'm working and listening to "The Deal (2003)" on YouTube. It's fun.
    You'll be delighted to know I've just bought my tickets for The Fantastic Four.
    [makes teeth-sucking sound]. Weeeeel, it'll...probably be good?
    It has Pedro Pascal in it, it will be awesome, plus Princess Margaret/The White Widow.
    Pedro Pascal needs to be a bit more choosy. Superhero movies are on the way out, thank feck!

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited June 13
    Taz said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    First, again…….

    Goal hanging? Nice finish mind.
    Just pure luck but I’ll take the goal

    Back of the net
    Alright Gary (Lineker) calm down...if you get too excited you can end up accidentally linking to antisemetic videos.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971


    However did she lose
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited June 13
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am spending the afternoon in a hotel bar buying my colleagues alcoholic drinks.

    #GoodMuslim

    I'm working and listening to "The Deal (2003)" on YouTube. It's fun.
    You'll be delighted to know I've just bought my tickets for The Fantastic Four.
    [makes teeth-sucking sound]. Weeeeel, it'll...probably be good?
    It has Pedro Pascal in it, it will be awesome, plus Princess Margaret/The White Widow.
    Check notes... Mandalorian.....Last of Us.....The Fantastic Four...
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Taz said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    First, again…….

    Goal hanging? Nice finish mind.
    Just pure luck but I’ll take the goal

    Back of the net
    Alright Gary (Lineker) calm down...if you get too excited you can end up accidentally linking to antisemetic videos.
    I’m glad you clarified Lineker. I’d have been mortified if it was Glitter !!

  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,641
    Taz said:



    However did she lose

    If that's genuine, she needs a refund off her design agency.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,271
    BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    Taz said:



    However did she lose

    Pretty sure that wasn't used by her in the campaign, and that the image dates from this year.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,568
    That's like the Rule 34 version of the old Ubuntu logo...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,836
    edited June 13
    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,641
    edited June 13
    RobD said:

    Taz said:



    However did she lose

    Pretty sure that wasn't used by her in the campaign, and that the image dates from this year.
    I just can't see that being genuine. You can't look at that and not think that's plain wrong.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,649
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.

    Diesel
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    RobD said:

    Taz said:



    However did she lose

    Pretty sure that wasn't used by her in the campaign, and that the image dates from this year.
    I ust can't see that being genuine.
    Because it isn't. ;)
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,742
    isam said:

    BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,199
    numbertwelve said:

    isam said:

    BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.
    It also looks like the faintest slither of an olivey looking twig from Lowe to Yusuf. Given the latter tried to have the former arrested, it is notable.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,776
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AnneJGP said:

    bondegezou said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?

    I thought I just accidentally flagged @taz on the previous thread. If it was me it was fat finger. But does Flag work the same as Like, one touch and it's done? Don't you need to say why?
    We've all had fat fingers!

    You don't need to say why: it's just one touch and TSE gets an alert.
    Does a second touch take it off again like Like?

    Apologies for wasting everyone's time. It happens when I'm on my smartphone & scrolling with my left hand.
    Yes, a second touch unflags it.
    Thanks. I just tried to unflag that comment and it didn't so presumably not me (or too late).
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,389
    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Your taste in alcohol almost as bad as your taste in music?

    Gin & tonic is not only acceptable, but necessary to prevent malaria
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,836
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    biggles said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    TheValiant said:

    TOPPING said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Leon said:

    The Israeli attack on Iran looks increasingly audacious and clever. They’ve taken out half of Iran’s leadership. They’ve paralysed Tehran

    Unbelievable stuff

    “Similar patterns to the Hezbollah attack. This will likely be revealed as one of the largest operations in modern history. Well-protected sites, top regime officials and key scientists are being targeted. The culmination of decades of Israeli intelligence work inside Iran.”

    Mossad agents smuggled weapons into Iran and destroyed Iran’s missile capability from within. So now Iran is defenceless and Israel is pounding the nuclear sites. They won’t stop until it is all pulverised


    In this instance I am entirely pro Israel. Go Jerusalem. I hope they take out the entire Iranian elite and the Iranian people are liberated

    And yet the audacious and clever Israelis can’t employ a single talking head that might get the rest of the world that aren’t right wing lunatics to feel sympathy towards them. I’ll put that in their ‘things they are very bad at’ folder.
    They really, really don't care.
    Tell me if I've got this wrong.

    Netanyahu knows he'll lose power the minute Israel isn't at war.
    The war with Gaza is 'petering' out, mainly because they've now murdered nearly everyone anyway.
    So he needs a new war to avoid facing the music.
    So he attacks Iran. That'll keep a nice long war going. Fuck Iran, and to be fair, fuck his own civilians and military who will also be murdered in the war.
    At least he keeps power.

    Is it more complicated than that?
    No, its less complicated than that.

    Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.
    Iran can't be allowed to get nuclear weapons.
    Israel can deal with it.
    Nobody else wants to deal with it.
    Israel have dealt with it.
    You don’t see any potential downsides to an escalating conflict between Israel and Iran that might equal the risks of Iran having a couple of bombs?

    You’re not willing to consider the Iranian perspective (whether or not you agree with it) and why it may want the bomb, and think about ways the West could help it decide not to purse that route via peaceful negotiation?

    Military action of all kinds is messy and painful, and civilians die. You try the other stuff first.
    No, I absolutely do not.

    That "other stuff" has been tried. The IAEA confirmed Iran is not meeting its obligations. It's had decades to do so.

    At what point is enough enough for you?

    If not now, then when?

    If you can't provide a when, your objection isn't credible.
    Presumably if Iran were to exit the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty - joining India, Pakistan, North Korea, and Israel - that would satisfy your concens?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited June 13
    numbertwelve said:

    isam said:

    BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.
    It isn't even a clever lawyerly type obfuscation. It is easy to demonstrate it is untrue and also the public already well aware of this, in fact most of the public don't believe there are even many genuine asylum seekers among them.

    It isn't like making some claim about something the public won't really understand, will find hard to work out and could be measured if different ways which gives you plenty of wiggle room. That been said we do know that Labour have had a lot of trouble being able to define what exactly a woman is.

    Yet more evidence of how shit our politicians are, they can't even do the lying bending the truth properly.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,275
    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Good afternoon

    Welsh cider or indeed any cider ????
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,776
    Taz said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?

    I thought I just accidentally flagged @taz on the previous thread. If it was me it was fat finger. But does Flag work the same as Like, one touch and it's done? Don't you need to say why?
    OMG what did I say !!!!
    Nothing objectionable - not to me at any rate. I was scrolling left-handed and there was this 'flag'. I might have done it accidentally or someone else might have.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    I’m really into stuff like Grappa, Slivovice, Tsikoudia and all of the spirits distilled in Eastern Europe. Love Kotor in Montenegro where the women sit outside the old city flogging bottles.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,275
    numbertwelve said:

    isam said:

    BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.
    I saw the clip, and was astonished how Darren Jones could score such an obvious and ridiculous own goal

    Labour really needs to up it's game on this subject
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Good afternoon

    Welsh cider or indeed any cider ????
    Made from juice not concentrate.

    I’ve had some great cider in Wales.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,362
    Taz said:



    However did she lose

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_jerk
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-penetrative_sex#Mutual_masturbation
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Your taste in alcohol almost as bad as your taste in music?

    Gin & tonic is not only acceptable, but necessary to prevent malaria
    I’m worried about getting malaria. I think I’ll have some gin later
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    Can we all agree Madri, the spirit of Madrid, is ace.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,389
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Your taste in alcohol almost as bad as your taste in music?

    Gin & tonic is not only acceptable, but necessary to prevent malaria
    I’m worried about getting malaria. I think I’ll have some gin later
    I drink G&T

    I have never had malaria

    QED
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,862
    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    What about Sex on the Beach?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,836
    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    Taz said:



    However did she lose

    If that's genuine, she needs a refund off her design agency.
    It's not real.

    It's funny, but it's not real.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,389
    After appointing the craziest MAGA conspiracy theorists they could find to run the FBI, people are worried they are not crazy enough...

    https://x.com/TomFitton/status/1933541980308435405
  • isamisam Posts: 42,271
    edited June 13
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    numbertwelve said:

    isam said:

    BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.
    I saw the clip, and was astonished how Darren Jones could score such an obvious and ridiculous own goal

    Labour really needs to up it's game on this subject
    Observed foresight from 2023

    Note to Keir Starmer - get Darren Jones out in front of the TV cameras at every possible opportunity.

    https://x.com/spajw/status/1727271276748865791?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,641
    edited June 13
    I knocked drinking on the head 4 years ago and I'm pretty happy with the non alcoholic beers that are around. I like Mash Gang, Beavertown, Charnwood Brewey...in fact loads of the less well known brands do good stuff. Forget the big brands, although Guiness, Corona and Peroni offer a decent experience.
    There's a couple of wines that are OKish, Wolf Blass Shiraz and Sauvignon plus Tesco Malbec put up a decent fight.
    Spirits though, are universally shite. About the best I've found ( and I've tried a lot!) is Pathfinder Hemp and Root. Gives off a bit of a jagermeister vibe.
    Anyone with any spirit suggestions, please pipe up.
    I voted Green the past couple of times. Probably should drink a craft IPA.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,836
    Casino_Royale said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    What about Sex on the Beach?
    It's a cocktail and therefore the sign of some kind of mental infirmity or breakdown.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,389
    rcs1000 said:

    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    Taz said:



    However did she lose

    If that's genuine, she needs a refund off her design agency.
    It's not real.

    It's funny, but it's not real.
    Silicon Valley, Season 1

    Middle out...
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,262
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Good afternoon

    Welsh cider or indeed any cider ????
    If your wife is a Lossie quine, then potato wine.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,498
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.

    I suspect it would be Georgian champagne which appears quite a lot in Soviet and pre Soviet literature. As our newly departed bon vivant has recounted Georgia has a long and noble winemaking tradition.
    Of course they’re not allowed to call it champers any more.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    Scott_xP said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Your taste in alcohol almost as bad as your taste in music?

    Gin & tonic is not only acceptable, but necessary to prevent malaria
    I’m worried about getting malaria. I think I’ll have some gin later
    I drink G&T

    I have never had malaria

    QED
    That’s good enough for me
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,199
    Theuniondivvie said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.

    I suspect it would be Georgian champagne which appears quite a lot in Soviet and pre Soviet literature. As our newly departed bon vivant has recounted Georgia has a long and noble winemaking tradition.
    Of course they’re not allowed to call it champers any more.
    What did he do?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,742
    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    numbertwelve said:

    isam said:

    BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.
    I saw the clip, and was astonished how Darren Jones could score such an obvious and ridiculous own goal

    Labour really needs to up it's game on this subject
    Observed foresight from 2023

    Note to Keir Starmer - get Darren Jones out in front of the TV cameras at every possible opportunity.

    https://x.com/spajw/status/1727271276748865791?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    Rogerdamus, the day before yesterday:
    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    Wasn’t it Darren Jones who made the “pocket money” gaffe recently too?

    He does come across as a confident media performer (and crikey, the Labour Party don’t have many of them) but he does seem to have developed foot-in-mouth syndrome.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Theuniondivvie said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.

    I suspect it would be Georgian champagne which appears quite a lot in Soviet and pre Soviet literature. As our newly departed bon vivant has recounted Georgia has a long and noble winemaking tradition.
    Of course they’re not allowed to call it champers any more.
    Actually I think a lot of it was from Crimea.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,199
    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    numbertwelve said:

    isam said:

    BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.
    I saw the clip, and was astonished how Darren Jones could score such an obvious and ridiculous own goal

    Labour really needs to up it's game on this subject
    Observed foresight from 2023

    Note to Keir Starmer - get Darren Jones out in front of the TV cameras at every possible opportunity.

    https://x.com/spajw/status/1727271276748865791?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    Rogerdamus, the day before yesterday:
    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    Bless Roger. Never change!
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    rcs1000 said:

    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    Taz said:



    However did she lose

    If that's genuine, she needs a refund off her design agency.
    It's not real.

    It's funny, but it's not real.
    But this is real.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/86fPsfkUskE?si=qyIa8GGPgp5bYKTw
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    Taz said:



    However did she lose

    If that's genuine, she needs a refund off her design agency.
    It's not real.

    It's funny, but it's not real.
    Silicon Valley, Season 1

    Middle out...
    Got to get the correct T2F and T2O ratios....
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,601
    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    I knocked drinking on the head 4 years ago and I'm pretty happy with the non alcoholic beers that are around. I like Mash Gang, Beavertown, Charnwood Brewey...in fact loads of the less well known brands do good stuff. Forget the big brands, although Guiness, Corona and Peroni offer a decent experience.
    There's a couple of wines that are OKish, Wolf Blass Shiraz and Sauvignon plus Tesco Malbec put up a decent fight.
    Spirits though, are universally shite. About the best I've found ( and I've tried a lot!) is Pathfinder Hemp and Root. Gives off a bit of a jagermeister vibe.
    Anyone with any spirit suggestions, please pipe up.
    I voted Green the past couple of times. Probably should drink a craft IPA.

    For me it was 3 years ago. Finally got used to the beers available.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,364
    In rather hilarious news, a Russian SU-25 was shot down by his wingman, using unguided missiles...

    https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1933548320443806075
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Also, soju.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,275
    Battlebus said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Good afternoon

    Welsh cider or indeed any cider ????
    If your wife is a Lossie quine, then potato wine.
    My wife is very much TT though she is proud to be a Lossie quine
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,568
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Also, soju.
    The lack of Stout in this thread is saddening.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Also, soju.
    I’ve recently discovered Soju.

    I’m rather impressed. Hi-You in Newcastle has a good range of far east booze.

    The Jinru Plum variant is excellent.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Your taste in alcohol almost as bad as your taste in music?

    Gin & tonic is not only acceptable, but necessary to prevent malaria
    Not these days.
    Back in the 70s, in Mediterranean Europe, the tonic water still had medicinal levels of quinine in it. Probably where my taste for really bitter stuff comes from.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Also, soju.
    I’ve recently discovered Soju.

    I’m rather impressed. Hi-You in Newcastle has a good range of far east booze.

    The Jinru Plum variant is excellent.
    Classic all the way for me, I'm afraid. None of the flavoured stuff.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited June 13
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Also, soju.
    I’ve recently discovered Soju.

    I’m rather impressed. Hi-You in Newcastle has a good range of far east booze.

    The Jinru Plum variant is excellent.
    I have a Korean friend who once took me on a tour of Vancouver's South Korean Diaspora hang outs on the Soju.....it was soon all a blur.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,262
    Theuniondivvie said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.

    I suspect it would be Georgian champagne which appears quite a lot in Soviet and pre Soviet literature. As our newly departed bon vivant has recounted Georgia has a long and noble winemaking tradition.
    Of course they’re not allowed to call it champers any more.
    Georgian reds are excellent. Robust and go well with any red meat.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,836
    Foss said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Also, soju.
    The lack of Stout in this thread is saddening.
    I'm sorry, I only included drinks which are actually purchasable.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    JosiasJessop said:

    In rather hilarious news, a Russian SU-25 was shot down by his wingman, using unguided missiles...

    https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1933548320443806075

    Or the rocket pod malfunctioned and blew half the wing off, which seems more likely.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,971
    Battlebus said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.

    I suspect it would be Georgian champagne which appears quite a lot in Soviet and pre Soviet literature. As our newly departed bon vivant has recounted Georgia has a long and noble winemaking tradition.
    Of course they’re not allowed to call it champers any more.
    Georgian reds are excellent. Robust and go well with any red meat.
    Georgian fizz can be very good. Usually sweet, though. At least I have seen a dry one, yet.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,529
    Mexicanpete said:

    I just got flagged for a backhanded compliment I gave to @Leon on the previous thread. Did I get the flag from a Leon dissenter for complimenting Leon or a flag from the Leon fan club for the backhanded bit?

    You should have been banned, for complimenting Leon on criticising someone else for being the worst kind of ethno-nationalist, devoid of any redeeming features, and for totally missing the irony.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,487
    rcs1000 said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    biggles said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    TheValiant said:

    TOPPING said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Leon said:

    The Israeli attack on Iran looks increasingly audacious and clever. They’ve taken out half of Iran’s leadership. They’ve paralysed Tehran

    Unbelievable stuff

    “Similar patterns to the Hezbollah attack. This will likely be revealed as one of the largest operations in modern history. Well-protected sites, top regime officials and key scientists are being targeted. The culmination of decades of Israeli intelligence work inside Iran.”

    Mossad agents smuggled weapons into Iran and destroyed Iran’s missile capability from within. So now Iran is defenceless and Israel is pounding the nuclear sites. They won’t stop until it is all pulverised


    In this instance I am entirely pro Israel. Go Jerusalem. I hope they take out the entire Iranian elite and the Iranian people are liberated

    And yet the audacious and clever Israelis can’t employ a single talking head that might get the rest of the world that aren’t right wing lunatics to feel sympathy towards them. I’ll put that in their ‘things they are very bad at’ folder.
    They really, really don't care.
    Tell me if I've got this wrong.

    Netanyahu knows he'll lose power the minute Israel isn't at war.
    The war with Gaza is 'petering' out, mainly because they've now murdered nearly everyone anyway.
    So he needs a new war to avoid facing the music.
    So he attacks Iran. That'll keep a nice long war going. Fuck Iran, and to be fair, fuck his own civilians and military who will also be murdered in the war.
    At least he keeps power.

    Is it more complicated than that?
    No, its less complicated than that.

    Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.
    Iran can't be allowed to get nuclear weapons.
    Israel can deal with it.
    Nobody else wants to deal with it.
    Israel have dealt with it.
    You don’t see any potential downsides to an escalating conflict between Israel and Iran that might equal the risks of Iran having a couple of bombs?

    You’re not willing to consider the Iranian perspective (whether or not you agree with it) and why it may want the bomb, and think about ways the West could help it decide not to purse that route via peaceful negotiation?

    Military action of all kinds is messy and painful, and civilians die. You try the other stuff first.
    No, I absolutely do not.

    That "other stuff" has been tried. The IAEA confirmed Iran is not meeting its obligations. It's had decades to do so.

    At what point is enough enough for you?

    If not now, then when?

    If you can't provide a when, your objection isn't credible.
    Presumably if Iran were to exit the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty - joining India, Pakistan, North Korea, and Israel - that would satisfy your concens?
    Of course not.

    That would bring it into compliance with international law, but my objection hasn't once been the law.

    In line with my long-standing beliefs I don't care too much for international law, which is more guidelines than actual rules anyway.

    My concerns are far simpler: Iran can not be trusted with nukes and must be stopped before they get them.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,250
    It’s quite startling that out of 28 by-, or deferred, elections since 1/5/25, the results have been:

    Reform 13, Lib Dem 10, Green 2, Labour 1, Cons. 1, SNP 1.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,487
    This is a rum thread, the best drink is missing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,971
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    numbertwelve said:

    isam said:

    BREAK: Rupert Lowe sends a letter to Chief Sec Darren Jones, demanding an urgent public correction to his false statement on national television last night.

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1933530931807056372?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Leaving aside the twisted ironies of populist parties being particularly interested in the concept of truth, I do think this is yet another example of the Labour Party losing the public due to defaulting to obfuscation and lack of honesty.
    It isn't even a clever lawyerly type obfuscation. It is easy to demonstrate it is untrue and also the public already well aware of this, in fact most of the public don't believe there are even many genuine asylum seekers among them.

    It isn't like making some claim about something the public won't really understand, will find hard to work out and could be measured if different ways which gives you plenty of wiggle room. That been said we do know that Labour have had a lot of trouble being able to define what exactly a woman is.

    Yet more evidence of how shit our politicians are, they can't even do the lying bending the truth properly.
    It’s more, I think, that he thought - “Reform are liars. Why can’t I just lie as well”

    Forgetting the wisdom about mud wrestling with pigs - you get dirty and the pig enjoys it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Also, soju.
    I’ve recently discovered Soju.

    I’m rather impressed. Hi-You in Newcastle has a good range of far east booze.

    The Jinru Plum variant is excellent.
    Classic all the way for me, I'm afraid. None of the flavoured stuff.
    So is classic just unflavoured ? I’m in the toon next week and will look it up.

    I’ve had a love of plum sake ever since I had some at Michael O’Hare’s place in Leeds.

    Always keen to try new stuff.

    If flavoured Soju is to S Koreans what fruit flavoured cider is to me, an abomination, I’ll have to try the proper stuff.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,389
    @farnazfassihi

    NEWS: Iranian sources say Gen. Ismail Ghaani, the Quds Forces commander, in charge of proxies in the region has been killed. The senior chain of command has collapsed.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Also, soju.
    I’ve recently discovered Soju.

    I’m rather impressed. Hi-You in Newcastle has a good range of far east booze.

    The Jinru Plum variant is excellent.
    I have a Korean friend who once took me on a tour of Vancouver's South Korean Diaspora hang outs on the Soju.....it was soon all a blur.
    There’s no other way.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,250
    Theuniondivvie said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.

    I suspect it would be Georgian champagne which appears quite a lot in Soviet and pre Soviet literature. As our newly departed bon vivant has recounted Georgia has a long and noble winemaking tradition.
    Of course they’re not allowed to call it champers any more.
    Flashman got an awful dose of wind, after drinking Crimean champagne. Then, he farted uproariously, during the Charge of the Light Brigade.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,389
    @PippaCrerar

    UPDATE: Former Tory MP Craig Williams and 14 other people facing allegations of cheating by gambling on date of last year’s general election are to go on trial.

    https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1933555070215283169
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,971
    Malmesbury said:

    Battlebus said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Soviet champagne sounds like a euphemism.

    I suspect it would be Georgian champagne which appears quite a lot in Soviet and pre Soviet literature. As our newly departed bon vivant has recounted Georgia has a long and noble winemaking tradition.
    Of course they’re not allowed to call it champers any more.
    Georgian reds are excellent. Robust and go well with any red meat.
    Georgian fizz can be very good. Usually sweet, though. At least I have seen a dry one, yet.
    Ooh, not seen Georgian fizz. Will look it up. Had Georgian Red and it’s lovely. Also had a Georgian spirit which was rather good too.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,601
    Sean_F said:

    It’s quite startling that out of 28 by-, or deferred, elections since 1/5/25, the results have been:

    Reform 13, Lib Dem 10, Green 2, Labour 1, Cons. 1, SNP 1.

    And the one Tory win was only because Reform nominated 3 candidates for 2 seats.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Taz said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Also, soju.
    I’ve recently discovered Soju.

    I’m rather impressed. Hi-You in Newcastle has a good range of far east booze.

    The Jinru Plum variant is excellent.
    I have a Korean friend who once took me on a tour of Vancouver's South Korean Diaspora hang outs on the Soju.....it was soon all a blur.
    There’s no other way.
    I believe there may have been a healthy dose of Karoke in there too but I can't really remember.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited June 13
    Israel launching fresh attacks on Iran.

    Just popping to load up the nuclear bomb shelter at the end of the garden with extra supplies.
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