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  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,755

    Reforms stranglehold on the red wall consolidated overnight with a massive double win in Mansfield and the win in Leeds (Cons came 6th in the ward in Andrea Jenkyns and Ed Balls old seat)
    Northants counting from 9, and we will see if Reforms cock up on the ballot costs them

    Do you have a link to the Mansfield result?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,349
    MattW said:

    Reforms stranglehold on the red wall consolidated overnight with a massive double win in Mansfield and the win in Leeds (Cons came 6th in the ward in Andrea Jenkyns and Ed Balls old seat)
    Northants counting from 9, and we will see if Reforms cock up on the ballot costs them

    Do you have a link to the Mansfield result?
    https://x.com/JordanHall_dev/status/1933334918907498943?s=19
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,654
    1 in 5 pupils are receiving support for special educational needs. Is this just mad or does this make sense? It would seem to me that if it is 1 in 5 then it ain't special, it's at least in large part, what we must call normal.

    Add to this that non-provision of the SEN stuff is an absolute staple of all whinge and moan progs on BBC radio.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23mdz2728zo
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,749
    Leon said:

    There’s an entire short funny book to be written on the mad foods eaten in far Northern Europe, and the Atlantic sub-Arctic

    The seabirds alone. Omg. Sometimes eaten whole - beak, claws, feathers

    The holy grail - the ne plus ultra - the Ultima Gastro-Thule - of such foods is the “fermented skate” of Iceland. Kæst Skata

    I’m told it’s not just the worst food in the world, it’s the worst food imaginable

    I’ve heard it described as like eating mucus soaked in bleach with your head down a urinal

    Serious question. When was the last time you saw whelks for sale?

    The tail end has the texture of mucous and the top is like chewy rubber, but covered in vinegar and pepper they are to die for.

    They were standard on shellfish stalls in my youth but I can't remember the last time I saw them on sale.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,563
    stodge said:

    As might be expected, oil prices up 5% in trading so WTI Crude in the mid-71s and both Brent and Murban crude just above $73.

    One of the few positives about the current UK economy has been fuel prices which have fallen slightly - up here in Derbyshire unleaded at £1.26 a litre so a long way off the highs of the earlier part of the decade.

    I think the oil price rise will be transitory. It’s a Pavlovian reflex of the markets.

    Fundamentals remain weak because of Trump’s tariff shenanigans.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,749

    Indicative data shows Albanians are 153x more likely to be convicted of a drug offence than Brits.

    And that Eritreans are 20x more likely to be convicted of sex offences.

    I am proposing a law change to force the release of the full facts about migrant crime & end the cover up.

    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1933419806608298463

    Bob's embedded walk-and-talk video helpfully includes a screenshot of the last time this former immigration minister proposed such a law. It seems to be dated March 2024. Bloody Keir Starmer and his time machine!

    I don't believe Bob believes he was ever in Government, so can we clear that up please?And I am sure he was warning about the Starmerwave since it was introduced in 2019.

    Q. What have Enoch Powell and Robert Jenrick got in common? A. They are both from Wolverhampton.
    Does he have figures for the number of white city gents convicted of financial frauds?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,142
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jun/13/po-ferries-hires-tiny-four-person-accounting-firm-to-replace-kpmg

    So KPMG, with all their resources, were unable to audit the 2023 accounts so P&O have appointed a 4 person firm.
    How is that acceptable to HMRC and companies house?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,349
    edited June 13

    Leon said:

    There’s an entire short funny book to be written on the mad foods eaten in far Northern Europe, and the Atlantic sub-Arctic

    The seabirds alone. Omg. Sometimes eaten whole - beak, claws, feathers

    The holy grail - the ne plus ultra - the Ultima Gastro-Thule - of such foods is the “fermented skate” of Iceland. Kæst Skata

    I’m told it’s not just the worst food in the world, it’s the worst food imaginable

    I’ve heard it described as like eating mucus soaked in bleach with your head down a urinal

    Serious question. When was the last time you saw whelks for sale?

    The tail end has the texture of mucous and the top is like chewy rubber, but covered in vinegar and pepper they are to die for.

    They were standard on shellfish stalls in my youth but I can't remember the last time I saw them on sale.
    You can get them easily enough on the coast here
    Edit - and in bulk at fish wholesalers in the city
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,241
    A couple of decades too late in coming to this realisation, but welcome.

    Cheerleaders to critics: German machinery makers call for EU action on China

    My report on a dramatic U-turn from the voice of Germany's Mittelstand companies that could have big implications for EU China policy

    https://x.com/fbermingham/status/1933413249782833432

    Interestingly, a number of S Korean tech companies, who are a great deal more savvy in dealings with China, now admit to making the same mistake of giving away tech in exchange for what has turned out to be illusory promises of market access.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,749
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    There’s an entire short funny book to be written on the mad foods eaten in far Northern Europe, and the Atlantic sub-Arctic

    The seabirds alone. Omg. Sometimes eaten whole - beak, claws, feathers

    The holy grail - the ne plus ultra - the Ultima Gastro-Thule - of such foods is the “fermented skate” of Iceland. Kæst Skata

    I’m told it’s not just the worst food in the world, it’s the worst food imaginable

    I’ve heard it described as like eating mucus soaked in bleach with your head down a urinal

    Serious question. When was the last time you saw whelks for sale?

    The tail end has the texture of mucous and the top is like chewy rubber, but covered in vinegar and pepper they are to die for.

    They were standard on shellfish stalls in my youth but I can't remember the last time I saw them on sale.
    I though we all knew that no one is fit to run a whelk stall these days.
    :) It has always puzzled me as to why whelk stalls are thought to be particularly easy to run.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,088
    edited June 13
    FPT

    Big Dom long form interview....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DTyGKZVNF8

    As often his claims the system of the government is broken, his solution was / is burn the whole system down.

    Two interesting claims, one is that the UK didn't take out various terrorists abroad because they got secret legal protection from the UK courts and that the Whitehall officials covered up the rape gangs, particularly the department of education and that is why they don't want an enquiry.

    Missing the point perhaps but while production values on GBNews might have risen since its launch, I doubt the BBC or ITN would have included up-sleeve shots of Dom's armpits.

    And Dom's claim is that Britain did kill terrorists abroad because paradoxically it was legal to kill them but not arrest them.

    ETA on the child grooming cover-up. Dom is channelling his inner Jenrick. I saw this while I was in government as Chief SpAd to EdSec and Chief of Staff at Number 10 but...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,349
    For fans of dodgy Tories, Peter Bones missus is one of the candidates in Higham Ferrers currently counting
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797
    Jesus F Christ


    They are STILL DOING IT

    “South Korea Lab Makes Bird Flu 100% Lethal In Mammals: 'Virology Journal'”

    “Classic Gain of Function Research…”

    https://x.com/zerohedge/status/1933182540145184997?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Why? WHY? Who benefits from this? Five years after Wuhan and they’re still making new viruses that can kill humanity
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,972
    algarkirk said:

    1 in 5 pupils are receiving support for special educational needs. Is this just mad or does this make sense? It would seem to me that if it is 1 in 5 then it ain't special, it's at least in large part, what we must call normal.

    Add to this that non-provision of the SEN stuff is an absolute staple of all whinge and moan progs on BBC radio.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23mdz2728zo

    I understand the sentiment but looking after kids is always going to be a better place to invest cash than anywhere else. Just look at the proportions of prisoners who had development issues in early childhood, went through the care system etc etc. Correlations with child obesity, mental health and so on.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,563
    Dopermean said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jun/13/po-ferries-hires-tiny-four-person-accounting-firm-to-replace-kpmg

    So KPMG, with all their resources, were unable to audit the 2023 accounts so P&O have appointed a 4 person firm.
    How is that acceptable to HMRC and companies house?

    “In its resignation letter, the accountants said: “It has not been possible to complete an audit of the 2023 accounts to the required standard within management’s desired timetable.””

    In other words there weren’t even any accounts to audit. They were months late.

    The small firm is probably a stop gap to get the entity statutory accounts signed off. P&O ferries is a relatively small subsidiary of DP World, the huge Dubai based ports group.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,040

    FPT

    Big Dom long form interview....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DTyGKZVNF8

    As often his claims the system of the government is broken, his solution was / is burn the whole system down.

    Two interesting claims, one is that the UK didn't take out various terrorists abroad because they got secret legal protection from the UK courts and that the Whitehall officials covered up the rape gangs, particularly the department of education and that is why they don't want an enquiry.

    Missing the point perhaps but while production values on GBNews might have risen since its launch, I doubt the BBC or ITN would have included up-sleeve shots of Dom's armpits.

    And Dom's claim is that Britain did kill terrorists abroad because paradoxically it was legal to kill them but not arrest them.
    The "System" knew at many levels about {issue that can't be mentioned on PB}. Hence nearly passing a law, accidentally, that would have criminalised reporting it factually. Further, the various enquiries into the matter have found official knowledge at various levels.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,668
    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    There’s an entire short funny book to be written on the mad foods eaten in far Northern Europe, and the Atlantic sub-Arctic

    The seabirds alone. Omg. Sometimes eaten whole - beak, claws, feathers

    The holy grail - the ne plus ultra - the Ultima Gastro-Thule - of such foods is the “fermented skate” of Iceland. Kæst Skata

    I’m told it’s not just the worst food in the world, it’s the worst food imaginable

    I’ve heard it described as like eating mucus soaked in bleach with your head down a urinal

    Serious question. When was the last time you saw whelks for sale?

    The tail end has the texture of mucous and the top is like chewy rubber, but covered in vinegar and pepper they are to die for.

    They were standard on shellfish stalls in my youth but I can't remember the last time I saw them on sale.
    I though we all knew that no one is fit to run a whelk stall these days.
    :) It has always puzzled me as to why whelk stalls are thought to be particularly easy to run.
    Hah. It would make a good short sketch. Man stands behind his new whelk stall. Face mystified at the lack of custom. “But they said it would be easy…”

    I hated whelks until a friend told me to douse them in Tabasco - whereupon they become magically tasty. Quite similar to your vinegar preparation
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,563
    Nigelb said:

    A couple of decades too late in coming to this realisation, but welcome.

    Cheerleaders to critics: German machinery makers call for EU action on China

    My report on a dramatic U-turn from the voice of Germany's Mittelstand companies that could have big implications for EU China policy

    https://x.com/fbermingham/status/1933413249782833432

    Interestingly, a number of S Korean tech companies, who are a great deal more savvy in dealings with China, now admit to making the same mistake of giving away tech in exchange for what has turned out to be illusory promises of market access.

    And yet Germany was trying hard to form a blocking minority to prevent recent EU anti dumping tariffs on China (it failed, outvoted under QMV).
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,088

    FPT

    Big Dom long form interview....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DTyGKZVNF8

    As often his claims the system of the government is broken, his solution was / is burn the whole system down.

    Two interesting claims, one is that the UK didn't take out various terrorists abroad because they got secret legal protection from the UK courts and that the Whitehall officials covered up the rape gangs, particularly the department of education and that is why they don't want an enquiry.

    Missing the point perhaps but while production values on GBNews might have risen since its launch, I doubt the BBC or ITN would have included up-sleeve shots of Dom's armpits.

    And Dom's claim is that Britain did kill terrorists abroad because paradoxically it was legal to kill them but not arrest them.
    The "System" knew at many levels about {issue that can't be mentioned on PB}. Hence nearly passing a law, accidentally, that would have criminalised reporting it factually. Further, the various enquiries into the matter have found official knowledge at various levels.
    As I belatedly added to the earlier post: ETA on the child grooming cover-up. Dom is channelling his inner Jenrick. I saw this while I was in government as Chief SpAd to EdSec and Chief of Staff at Number 10 but...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,151
    edited June 13
    algarkirk said:

    1 in 5 pupils are receiving support for special educational needs. Is this just mad or does this make sense? It would seem to me that if it is 1 in 5 then it ain't special, it's at least in large part, what we must call normal.

    Add to this that non-provision of the SEN stuff is an absolute staple of all whinge and moan progs on BBC radio.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23mdz2728zo

    "Receiving support" will cover a multitude of types of interventions from a brief word or phone checkup right through to full time specialist
    provision.
    The total inadequacy of much of this is the source of much complaining.

    To your point of being "normal".
    While I wouldn't use such a term, many neurodiverse people would have some agreement that it falls within a spectrum.
    Some of this mental diversity is adored by capitalism.
    Some must be stamped out as far as possible.

    An example.
    It is perfectly within the normal range to function much more effectively with a midday nap for many folk.
    Business and education cannot be arsed to cope with such adjustments.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,749

    Leon said:

    There’s an entire short funny book to be written on the mad foods eaten in far Northern Europe, and the Atlantic sub-Arctic

    The seabirds alone. Omg. Sometimes eaten whole - beak, claws, feathers

    The holy grail - the ne plus ultra - the Ultima Gastro-Thule - of such foods is the “fermented skate” of Iceland. Kæst Skata

    I’m told it’s not just the worst food in the world, it’s the worst food imaginable

    I’ve heard it described as like eating mucus soaked in bleach with your head down a urinal

    Serious question. When was the last time you saw whelks for sale?

    The tail end has the texture of mucous and the top is like chewy rubber, but covered in vinegar and pepper they are to die for.

    They were standard on shellfish stalls in my youth but I can't remember the last time I saw them on sale.
    You can get them easily enough on the coast here
    Edit - and in bulk at fish wholesalers in the city
    Thank you. Sadly, the Cotswolds appear to be a whelk free zone. :(
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,142
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jan 6 protestor arrested for child pornography argues Trump’s pardon means the child pornography charge has no basis because they only looked on his computer because of Jan 6.

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/not-the-typical-case-jan-6-defendant-asks-judge-to-apply-trumps-mass-pardon-to-child-pornography-charge/

    Biden pardoned his own son of serious crimes after promising for many months he would do no such thing “because Democrats believe in the rule of law”

    Then he pardoned Antony Fauci of things he MIGHT have done. Like enable the deaths of 20 million people
    The Hunter Biden pardon was an error, but it is too strong to really argue they were “serious offences”.

    The Fauci one was because Trump had been clear he intended to go after a public servant for making judgements about what to do in a very difficult situation. Pre-emptive defence
    Blah blah blah yawn
    Can’t come up with a coherent argument then? As you were.

    He “pre emptively” pardoned Fauci not for his Covid response, dummkopf, but because Fauci funded the Gain of Function research in Wuhan (against the spirit and maybe letter of US law) that likely led to the Lab Leak, and the deaths of 20 million

    Go read
    Terrible whataboutery.

    The post is about someone trying to use a pardon for one criminal act to also get themselves off a child pornography conviction.

    There is an interesting potential study here, given the revelations about Jan 6th rioters unrelated criminal behaviour.

    Are the Jan 6th rioters ("patriots") more criminally inclined or would a random sample of the US population have the same proportion of people interested in sexually abusing children and guilty of other criminal behaviour?

    That Trump polls highly amongst financial criminals, fraudsters, tax evaders etc would seem a reasonable hypothesis but does he also poll highly with kiddy fiddlers?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,699

    Leon said:

    There’s an entire short funny book to be written on the mad foods eaten in far Northern Europe, and the Atlantic sub-Arctic

    The seabirds alone. Omg. Sometimes eaten whole - beak, claws, feathers

    The holy grail - the ne plus ultra - the Ultima Gastro-Thule - of such foods is the “fermented skate” of Iceland. Kæst Skata

    I’m told it’s not just the worst food in the world, it’s the worst food imaginable

    I’ve heard it described as like eating mucus soaked in bleach with your head down a urinal

    Serious question. When was the last time you saw whelks for sale?

    The tail end has the texture of mucous and the top is like chewy rubber, but covered in vinegar and pepper they are to die for.

    They were standard on shellfish stalls in my youth but I can't remember the last time I saw them on sale.
    Cockles are nicer, and most supermarkets sell them in a nice little jar.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,040
    dixiedean said:

    algarkirk said:

    1 in 5 pupils are receiving support for special educational needs. Is this just mad or does this make sense? It would seem to me that if it is 1 in 5 then it ain't special, it's at least in large part, what we must call normal.

    Add to this that non-provision of the SEN stuff is an absolute staple of all whinge and moan progs on BBC radio.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23mdz2728zo

    "Receiving support" will cover a multitude of types of interventions from a brief word or phone checkup right through to full time specialist
    provision.
    The total inadequacy of much of this is the source of much complaining.

    To your point of being "normal".
    While I wouldn't use such a term, many neurodiverse people would have some agreement that it falls within a spectrum.
    Some of this mental diversity is adored by capitalism.
    Some must be stamped out as far as possible.
    Not to mention that because, in the mental health arena, mental health support for children is basically non-existent*. Unless they are at immediate risk or an immediate risk for others.

    *Waiting lists of years.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,755

    MattW said:

    Reforms stranglehold on the red wall consolidated overnight with a massive double win in Mansfield and the win in Leeds (Cons came 6th in the ward in Andrea Jenkyns and Ed Balls old seat)
    Northants counting from 9, and we will see if Reforms cock up on the ballot costs them

    Do you have a link to the Mansfield result?
    https://x.com/JordanHall_dev/status/1933334918907498943?s=19
    Thanks. Mansfield North - that takes the Reform County Councillors to 41 from 39. Election caused by a TUSC candidate popping her clogs suddenly at age 60.

    For comparative (and maybe disillusionment indicator) numbers we will have to wait for Newark West (I think) - which is where the too-busy Carer immediately stood down as a Councillor, on discovering "fuck me, I won !!".

    Mansfield North was where Ben Bradley had his seat, and the 3k votes for each RefUK candidate were what he had before as winner. At County level this has been a Lab-Con battle, with Mansfield Independents dominating at District level. RefUK have taken votes from all 3, as Mans Indies did not stand.

    I assume "Local Conservatives" are "Please believe that we are not Conservative Party" Conservatives.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,151
    Dopermean said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jan 6 protestor arrested for child pornography argues Trump’s pardon means the child pornography charge has no basis because they only looked on his computer because of Jan 6.

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/not-the-typical-case-jan-6-defendant-asks-judge-to-apply-trumps-mass-pardon-to-child-pornography-charge/

    Biden pardoned his own son of serious crimes after promising for many months he would do no such thing “because Democrats believe in the rule of law”

    Then he pardoned Antony Fauci of things he MIGHT have done. Like enable the deaths of 20 million people
    The Hunter Biden pardon was an error, but it is too strong to really argue they were “serious offences”.

    The Fauci one was because Trump had been clear he intended to go after a public servant for making judgements about what to do in a very difficult situation. Pre-emptive defence
    Blah blah blah yawn
    Can’t come up with a coherent argument then? As you were.

    He “pre emptively” pardoned Fauci not for his Covid response, dummkopf, but because Fauci funded the Gain of Function research in Wuhan (against the spirit and maybe letter of US law) that likely led to the Lab Leak, and the deaths of 20 million

    Go read
    Terrible whataboutery.

    The post is about someone trying to use a pardon for one criminal act to also get themselves off a child pornography conviction.

    There is an interesting potential study here, given the revelations about Jan 6th rioters unrelated criminal behaviour.

    Are the Jan 6th rioters ("patriots") more criminally inclined or would a random sample of the US population have the same proportion of people interested in sexually abusing children and guilty of other criminal behaviour?

    That Trump polls highly amongst financial criminals, fraudsters, tax evaders etc would seem a reasonable hypothesis but does he also poll highly with kiddy fiddlers?
    Getting a representative sample would be fraught with perils.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,040
    Dopermean said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jun/13/po-ferries-hires-tiny-four-person-accounting-firm-to-replace-kpmg

    So KPMG, with all their resources, were unable to audit the 2023 accounts so P&O have appointed a 4 person firm.
    How is that acceptable to HMRC and companies house?

    Shouldn't they have just asked the SNP for the outfit they use?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,088
    Leon said:

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
    The minister clearly has swallowed the propaganda that they are economic migrants, in which case we would expect women and families on the boats. Instead, as we have previously discussed, they are mainly young men escaping conscription, war or gang war. Setting fire to the Middle East will not help.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,699

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    There’s an entire short funny book to be written on the mad foods eaten in far Northern Europe, and the Atlantic sub-Arctic

    The seabirds alone. Omg. Sometimes eaten whole - beak, claws, feathers

    The holy grail - the ne plus ultra - the Ultima Gastro-Thule - of such foods is the “fermented skate” of Iceland. Kæst Skata

    I’m told it’s not just the worst food in the world, it’s the worst food imaginable

    I’ve heard it described as like eating mucus soaked in bleach with your head down a urinal

    Serious question. When was the last time you saw whelks for sale?

    The tail end has the texture of mucous and the top is like chewy rubber, but covered in vinegar and pepper they are to die for.

    They were standard on shellfish stalls in my youth but I can't remember the last time I saw them on sale.
    I though we all knew that no one is fit to run a whelk stall these days.
    :) It has always puzzled me as to why whelk stalls are thought to be particularly easy to run.
    Originates from some late 19th century Labour MP's speech, I believe?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,688
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    There’s an entire short funny book to be written on the mad foods eaten in far Northern Europe, and the Atlantic sub-Arctic

    The seabirds alone. Omg. Sometimes eaten whole - beak, claws, feathers

    The holy grail - the ne plus ultra - the Ultima Gastro-Thule - of such foods is the “fermented skate” of Iceland. Kæst Skata

    I’m told it’s not just the worst food in the world, it’s the worst food imaginable

    I’ve heard it described as like eating mucus soaked in bleach with your head down a urinal

    Serious question. When was the last time you saw whelks for sale?

    The tail end has the texture of mucous and the top is like chewy rubber, but covered in vinegar and pepper they are to die for.

    They were standard on shellfish stalls in my youth but I can't remember the last time I saw them on sale.
    I though we all knew that no one is fit to run a whelk stall these days.
    :) It has always puzzled me as to why whelk stalls are thought to be particularly easy to run.
    Hah. It would make a good short sketch. Man stands behind his new whelk stall. Face mystified at the lack of custom. “But they said it would be easy…”

    I hated whelks until a friend told me to douse them in Tabasco - whereupon they become magically tasty. Quite similar to your vinegar preparation
    I used to go the market and gorge on them as a kid. Afterwards I'd get a stomach ache but that was all part of it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,241
    Not been a good couple of days for Rand Paul.

    A war with Iran would make Iraq look like a skirmish.

    If your goal were to bankrupt America and destabilize the world, dragging us into another endless Middle East war would be the way to do it.

    That’s why I’m glad @POTUS promised—and brought the country together—on a commitment to peace, not more war.

    https://x.com/SenRandPaul/status/1933202933904216184


  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,349
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Reforms stranglehold on the red wall consolidated overnight with a massive double win in Mansfield and the win in Leeds (Cons came 6th in the ward in Andrea Jenkyns and Ed Balls old seat)
    Northants counting from 9, and we will see if Reforms cock up on the ballot costs them

    Do you have a link to the Mansfield result?
    https://x.com/JordanHall_dev/status/1933334918907498943?s=19
    Thanks. Mansfield North - that takes the Reform County Councillors to 41 from 39. Election caused by a TUSC candidate popping her clogs suddenly at age 60.

    For comparative (and maybe disillusionment indicator) numbers we will have to wait for Newark West (I think) - which is where the too-busy Carer immediately stood down as a Councillor, on discovering "fuck me, I won !!".

    Mansfield North was where Ben Bradley had his seat, and the 3k votes for each RefUK candidate were what he had before as winner. At County level this has been a Lab-Con battle, with Mansfield Independents dominating at District level. RefUK have taken votes from all 3, as Mans Indies did not stand.

    I assume "Local Conservatives" are "Please believe that we are not Conservative Party" Conservatives.
    Yes, results in line with the other Mansfield wards from May 1, the Tories have a major problem there but they looked much stronger in Newark and Clarkes old Rushcliffe seat both of which currently look Tory hold for Jenrick and gain in Rushclife for next time, but they got gubbed everywhere else in Notts
    Local conservatives are indeed 'not me, bro' tories
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,668
    Leon said:

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
    That was Darren Jones, @Roger's tip for Labour leader.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,151

    dixiedean said:

    algarkirk said:

    1 in 5 pupils are receiving support for special educational needs. Is this just mad or does this make sense? It would seem to me that if it is 1 in 5 then it ain't special, it's at least in large part, what we must call normal.

    Add to this that non-provision of the SEN stuff is an absolute staple of all whinge and moan progs on BBC radio.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23mdz2728zo

    "Receiving support" will cover a multitude of types of interventions from a brief word or phone checkup right through to full time specialist
    provision.
    The total inadequacy of much of this is the source of much complaining.

    To your point of being "normal".
    While I wouldn't use such a term, many neurodiverse people would have some agreement that it falls within a spectrum.
    Some of this mental diversity is adored by capitalism.
    Some must be stamped out as far as possible.
    Not to mention that because, in the mental health arena, mental health support for children is basically non-existent*. Unless they are at immediate risk or an immediate risk for others.

    *Waiting lists of years.
    It's worse than at risk of.
    It basically doesn't exist until after the event nowadays.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,549

    Leon said:

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
    That was Darren Jones, @Roger's tip for Labour leader.
    Darren who???
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,755
    Eabhal said:

    algarkirk said:

    1 in 5 pupils are receiving support for special educational needs. Is this just mad or does this make sense? It would seem to me that if it is 1 in 5 then it ain't special, it's at least in large part, what we must call normal.

    Add to this that non-provision of the SEN stuff is an absolute staple of all whinge and moan progs on BBC radio.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23mdz2728zo

    I understand the sentiment but looking after kids is always going to be a better place to invest cash than anywhere else. Just look at the proportions of prisoners who had development issues in early childhood, went through the care system etc etc. Correlations with child obesity, mental health and so on.
    AFAICS the most consistently successful initiative in recent decades was Sure Start. Cameron killed it, for reasons which I think relate to it having been successful under a Labour Government, in addition to a desire to do austerity.

    IMO that is a serious problem with our politics. I am not yet clear whether the current Govt is indulging in that type of manoeuvre.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,241
    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    A couple of decades too late in coming to this realisation, but welcome.

    Cheerleaders to critics: German machinery makers call for EU action on China

    My report on a dramatic U-turn from the voice of Germany's Mittelstand companies that could have big implications for EU China policy

    https://x.com/fbermingham/status/1933413249782833432

    Interestingly, a number of S Korean tech companies, who are a great deal more savvy in dealings with China, now admit to making the same mistake of giving away tech in exchange for what has turned out to be illusory promises of market access.

    And yet Germany was trying hard to form a blocking minority to prevent recent EU anti dumping tariffs on China (it failed, outvoted under QMV).
    Their car industry hasn't yet quite read the writing on the wall.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797

    Leon said:

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
    The minister clearly has swallowed the propaganda that they are economic migrants, in which case we would expect women and families on the boats. Instead, as we have previously discussed, they are mainly young men escaping conscription, war or gang war. Setting fire to the Middle East will not help.
    Indeed

    From the Migration Observatory, on arrivals crossing the Channel in small boats in the 12 months up to March 31, 2024:
    • 75 % adult males (aged 18+)
    • 16 % children (under 18)
    • The remaining 9 % are mostly adult females (with a very small “unknown” category)

    It’s quite shocking that a Labour minister can simply come on telly and unashamedly lie to the British people on a really serious matter, and everyone just shrugs. Like this is now normal

    Or maybe I still have a shred of foolish naivety
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,688
    So, Putin, Xi, Netanyahu - it seems that any big boy 'strongman' worth his salt just ignores Donald Trump.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,839
    Off-topic:

    We had some tradesmen around yesterday to fix a couple of things in the house. They appear to have done a good job.

    However, looking at the paper invoice they left, they:
    *) Misspelt my name.
    *) Put the incorrect date (it was not March...)
    *) Had my email address incorrect. Despite having contacted them by email.

    It's odd how, when they left, I felt they had done a good job. Having seen these errors, I've started to have doubts...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,040
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    algarkirk said:

    1 in 5 pupils are receiving support for special educational needs. Is this just mad or does this make sense? It would seem to me that if it is 1 in 5 then it ain't special, it's at least in large part, what we must call normal.

    Add to this that non-provision of the SEN stuff is an absolute staple of all whinge and moan progs on BBC radio.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23mdz2728zo

    "Receiving support" will cover a multitude of types of interventions from a brief word or phone checkup right through to full time specialist
    provision.
    The total inadequacy of much of this is the source of much complaining.

    To your point of being "normal".
    While I wouldn't use such a term, many neurodiverse people would have some agreement that it falls within a spectrum.
    Some of this mental diversity is adored by capitalism.
    Some must be stamped out as far as possible.
    Not to mention that because, in the mental health arena, mental health support for children is basically non-existent*. Unless they are at immediate risk or an immediate risk for others.

    *Waiting lists of years.
    It's worse than at risk of.
    It basically doesn't exist until after the event nowadays.
    Well, at least in some places, they will actually act on the day, if there is an immediate risk.

    Source: friend of my daughter got sectioned due to concerns about self harm.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,628
    edited June 13
    stodge said:

    As might be expected, oil prices up 5% in trading so WTI Crude in the mid-71s and both Brent and Murban crude just above $73.

    One of the few positives about the current UK economy has been fuel prices which have fallen slightly - up here in Derbyshire unleaded at £1.26 a litre so a long way off the highs of the earlier part of the decade.

    Remember, financial markets are like hysterical children (or some posters on this site) in that they always overreact to any given item of news. See Dornbusch's Nobel Prize winning 1976 paper for the proof. (His model refers to exchange rates, but can be extended to other markets with sticky real prices without difficulty).

    This is a reasonably comprehensive comprehensible summary.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overshooting_model

    My economics tutor once told me how revolutionary that paper was given the rational expectations models then favoured by academic economists at the time, especially in the United States. This is thirty years ago, and he's now sadly beyond asking, but the metaphor he used was something like a large rock dropping into a still pool.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,549

    Leon said:

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
    The minister clearly has swallowed the propaganda that they are economic migrants, in which case we would expect women and families on the boats. Instead, as we have previously discussed, they are mainly young men escaping conscription, war or gang war. Setting fire to the Middle East will not help.
    Chancers in other words?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,549
    Scott_xP said:

    well, duh...

    @sentdefender

    Iranian state-run media reports that Iran will not participate in Sunday’s nuclear talks with the United States in Oman.

    Israel, shmisrael!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,040

    Leon said:

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
    The minister clearly has swallowed the propaganda that they are economic migrants, in which case we would expect women and families on the boats. Instead, as we have previously discussed, they are mainly young men escaping conscription, war or gang war. Setting fire to the Middle East will not help.
    Being mostly young men does not preclude their being economic migrants.

    To start with no one is 100% asylum seeker who doesn't want to work. Nearly all migrants are a mix of "life at home is a bit shit" and "I want better opportunities".

    Secondly, a standard pattern is that the men arrive first, get established, then try and bring family over by a safe route. My ex, who did immigration law, had a steady flow of clients, clutching the pictures of the wives and kids they left behind.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,567
    edited June 13
    algarkirk said:

    1 in 5 pupils are receiving support for special educational needs. Is this just mad or does this make sense? It would seem to me that if it is 1 in 5 then it ain't special, it's at least in large part, what we must call normal.

    Add to this that non-provision of the SEN stuff is an absolute staple of all whinge and moan progs on BBC radio.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23mdz2728zo

    In reality the %s will be slightly lower than this if SEN pupils are (Probably more likely to be) not in a randomly mixed school. But assuming classes of 30:


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,241
    edited June 13
    Dopermean said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jan 6 protestor arrested for child pornography argues Trump’s pardon means the child pornography charge has no basis because they only looked on his computer because of Jan 6.

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/not-the-typical-case-jan-6-defendant-asks-judge-to-apply-trumps-mass-pardon-to-child-pornography-charge/

    Biden pardoned his own son of serious crimes after promising for many months he would do no such thing “because Democrats believe in the rule of law”

    Then he pardoned Antony Fauci of things he MIGHT have done. Like enable the deaths of 20 million people
    The Hunter Biden pardon was an error, but it is too strong to really argue they were “serious offences”.

    The Fauci one was because Trump had been clear he intended to go after a public servant for making judgements about what to do in a very difficult situation. Pre-emptive defence
    Blah blah blah yawn
    Can’t come up with a coherent argument then? As you were.

    He “pre emptively” pardoned Fauci not for his Covid response, dummkopf, but because Fauci funded the Gain of Function research in Wuhan (against the spirit and maybe letter of US law) that likely led to the Lab Leak, and the deaths of 20 million

    Go read
    Terrible whataboutery.

    The post is about someone trying to use a pardon for one criminal act to also get themselves off a child pornography conviction...

    It is whataboutery, but it's also not unreasonable to draw the comparison.

    Both sets of pardons were wrong, IMO, though for different reasons.

    Trump's mass pardon was unjustified in its own terms, and was also going to lead inevitably to this type of consequence.

    Biden's pre-emptive pardons set a very bad precedent. And on balance it might anyway have been better for the sort of nonsense Leon spouts to have been tested in court.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,690
    https://x.com/Itwitius/status/1933447218607931841

    Tim Marshall
    @Itwitius
    Well, the Iranian drones aimed at Israel in retaliation appear to be not reaching their targets. So, Q. Why drones? Why not cruise missiles? Keeping powder dry or were the launch sites destroyed? #Israel #iranisraelwar
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797
    Thorshavn, the capital of the Faroes, might have the worst weather of any city I’ve been in. It’s now the fourth day here - and for four days it has been completely immersed in a thick cold wintry fog. In mid June

    It’s better elsewhere on the islands. But here? Fog

    And as the sun never truly sets it’s like being inside a grey damp Tupperware box that occasionally goes slightly darker
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,563

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    *@Luckyguy1983 on*

    “Fewer immigrants”

    *@Luckyguy1983 off*
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,316
    kinabalu said:

    So, Putin, Xi, Netanyahu - it seems that any big boy 'strongman' worth his salt just ignores Donald Trump.

    Trump needs to put on his big boy pants. Or perhaps in his case his big boy diapers.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,705
    .
    Nigelb said:

    Dopermean said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jan 6 protestor arrested for child pornography argues Trump’s pardon means the child pornography charge has no basis because they only looked on his computer because of Jan 6.

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/not-the-typical-case-jan-6-defendant-asks-judge-to-apply-trumps-mass-pardon-to-child-pornography-charge/

    Biden pardoned his own son of serious crimes after promising for many months he would do no such thing “because Democrats believe in the rule of law”

    Then he pardoned Antony Fauci of things he MIGHT have done. Like enable the deaths of 20 million people
    The Hunter Biden pardon was an error, but it is too strong to really argue they were “serious offences”.

    The Fauci one was because Trump had been clear he intended to go after a public servant for making judgements about what to do in a very difficult situation. Pre-emptive defence
    Blah blah blah yawn
    Can’t come up with a coherent argument then? As you were.

    He “pre emptively” pardoned Fauci not for his Covid response, dummkopf, but because Fauci funded the Gain of Function research in Wuhan (against the spirit and maybe letter of US law) that likely led to the Lab Leak, and the deaths of 20 million

    Go read
    Terrible whataboutery.

    The post is about someone trying to use a pardon for one criminal act to also get themselves off a child pornography conviction...

    It is whataboutery, but it's also not unreasonable to draw the comparison.

    Both sets of pardons were wrong, IMO, though for different reasons.

    Trump's mass pardon was unjustified in its own terms, and was also going to lead inevitably to this type of consequence.

    Biden's pre-emptive pardons set a very bad precedent. And on balance it might anyway have been better for the sort of nonsense Leon spouts to have been tested in court.
    Ford pre-emptively pardoned Nixon, so any precedent goes back decades, doesn't it?

    Leon is off the deep end, into QAnon-esque territory.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,151

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    algarkirk said:

    1 in 5 pupils are receiving support for special educational needs. Is this just mad or does this make sense? It would seem to me that if it is 1 in 5 then it ain't special, it's at least in large part, what we must call normal.

    Add to this that non-provision of the SEN stuff is an absolute staple of all whinge and moan progs on BBC radio.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23mdz2728zo

    "Receiving support" will cover a multitude of types of interventions from a brief word or phone checkup right through to full time specialist
    provision.
    The total inadequacy of much of this is the source of much complaining.

    To your point of being "normal".
    While I wouldn't use such a term, many neurodiverse people would have some agreement that it falls within a spectrum.
    Some of this mental diversity is adored by capitalism.
    Some must be stamped out as far as possible.
    Not to mention that because, in the mental health arena, mental health support for children is basically non-existent*. Unless they are at immediate risk or an immediate risk for others.

    *Waiting lists of years.
    It's worse than at risk of.
    It basically doesn't exist until after the event nowadays.
    Well, at least in some places, they will actually act on the day, if there is an immediate risk.

    Source: friend of my daughter got sectioned due to concerns about self harm.
    We had kids self harming on a weekly basis.
    It was only when that leaked into the community and Plod had to get off their backsides that anything at all was done.
    Sectioning itself is far too late.
    Things have to be pretty damn serious to deny someone (especially a child) their liberty.
    Multiply so when no crime has been committed.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797
    Nigelb said:

    Dopermean said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jan 6 protestor arrested for child pornography argues Trump’s pardon means the child pornography charge has no basis because they only looked on his computer because of Jan 6.

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/not-the-typical-case-jan-6-defendant-asks-judge-to-apply-trumps-mass-pardon-to-child-pornography-charge/

    Biden pardoned his own son of serious crimes after promising for many months he would do no such thing “because Democrats believe in the rule of law”

    Then he pardoned Antony Fauci of things he MIGHT have done. Like enable the deaths of 20 million people
    The Hunter Biden pardon was an error, but it is too strong to really argue they were “serious offences”.

    The Fauci one was because Trump had been clear he intended to go after a public servant for making judgements about what to do in a very difficult situation. Pre-emptive defence
    Blah blah blah yawn
    Can’t come up with a coherent argument then? As you were.

    He “pre emptively” pardoned Fauci not for his Covid response, dummkopf, but because Fauci funded the Gain of Function research in Wuhan (against the spirit and maybe letter of US law) that likely led to the Lab Leak, and the deaths of 20 million

    Go read
    Terrible whataboutery.

    The post is about someone trying to use a pardon for one criminal act to also get themselves off a child pornography conviction...

    It is whataboutery, but it's also not unreasonable to draw the comparison.

    Both sets of pardons were wrong, IMO, though for different reasons.

    Trump's mass pardon was unjustified in its own terms, and was also going to lead inevitably to this type of consequence.

    Biden's pre-emptive pardons set a very bad precedent. And on balance it might anyway have been better for the sort of nonsense Leon spouts to have been tested in court.
    Pray, what is this nonsense you speak of?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,755
    edited June 13
    The new ReformUK Chairman is becoming more . er .. interesting:

    Within hours of stepping up as Reform chairman on Tuesday, David Bull triggered his first media controversy by remarking that “immigration is the lifeblood of this country – it always has been”.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/06/12/mass-migration-britain-lifeblood-economic-disaster/

    (The Telegraph is keen to refute this wrongthink.)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,988

    Leon said:

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
    The minister clearly has swallowed the propaganda that they are economic migrants, in which case we would expect women and families on the boats. Instead, as we have previously discussed, they are mainly young men escaping conscription, war or gang war. Setting fire to the Middle East will not help.
    Chancers in other words?
    Didn't Donald Trump dodge conscription?

    Oh, I see what you mean!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,040
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    algarkirk said:

    1 in 5 pupils are receiving support for special educational needs. Is this just mad or does this make sense? It would seem to me that if it is 1 in 5 then it ain't special, it's at least in large part, what we must call normal.

    Add to this that non-provision of the SEN stuff is an absolute staple of all whinge and moan progs on BBC radio.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23mdz2728zo

    "Receiving support" will cover a multitude of types of interventions from a brief word or phone checkup right through to full time specialist
    provision.
    The total inadequacy of much of this is the source of much complaining.

    To your point of being "normal".
    While I wouldn't use such a term, many neurodiverse people would have some agreement that it falls within a spectrum.
    Some of this mental diversity is adored by capitalism.
    Some must be stamped out as far as possible.
    Not to mention that because, in the mental health arena, mental health support for children is basically non-existent*. Unless they are at immediate risk or an immediate risk for others.

    *Waiting lists of years.
    It's worse than at risk of.
    It basically doesn't exist until after the event nowadays.
    Well, at least in some places, they will actually act on the day, if there is an immediate risk.

    Source: friend of my daughter got sectioned due to concerns about self harm.
    We had kids self harming on a weekly basis.
    It was only when that leaked into the community and Plod had to get off their backsides that anything at all was done.
    Sectioning itself is far too late.
    Things have to be pretty damn serious to deny someone (especially a child) their liberty.
    Multiply so when no crime has been committed.
    Was CAMS formally contacted? That's their front end triage - "Is there an immediate threat to the life of the child or the lives of others?"
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,199
    MattW said:

    The new ReformUK Chairman is becoming more . er .. interesting:

    Within hours of stepping up as Reform chairman on Tuesday, David Bull triggered his first media controversy by remarking that “immigration is the lifeblood of this country – it always has been”.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/06/12/mass-migration-britain-lifeblood-economic-disaster/

    (The Telegraph is keen to refute this wrongthink.)

    That is very highly, highly wrongthink.

    The Reform base will not be very happy.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,151
    edited June 13

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    algarkirk said:

    1 in 5 pupils are receiving support for special educational needs. Is this just mad or does this make sense? It would seem to me that if it is 1 in 5 then it ain't special, it's at least in large part, what we must call normal.

    Add to this that non-provision of the SEN stuff is an absolute staple of all whinge and moan progs on BBC radio.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23mdz2728zo

    "Receiving support" will cover a multitude of types of interventions from a brief word or phone checkup right through to full time specialist
    provision.
    The total inadequacy of much of this is the source of much complaining.

    To your point of being "normal".
    While I wouldn't use such a term, many neurodiverse people would have some agreement that it falls within a spectrum.
    Some of this mental diversity is adored by capitalism.
    Some must be stamped out as far as possible.
    Not to mention that because, in the mental health arena, mental health support for children is basically non-existent*. Unless they are at immediate risk or an immediate risk for others.

    *Waiting lists of years.
    It's worse than at risk of.
    It basically doesn't exist until after the event nowadays.
    Well, at least in some places, they will actually act on the day, if there is an immediate risk.

    Source: friend of my daughter got sectioned due to concerns about self harm.
    We had kids self harming on a weekly basis.
    It was only when that leaked into the community and Plod had to get off their backsides that anything at all was done.
    Sectioning itself is far too late.
    Things have to be pretty damn serious to deny someone (especially a child) their liberty.
    Multiply so when no crime has been committed.
    Was CAMS formally contacted? That's their front end triage - "Is there an immediate threat to the life of the child or the lives of others?"
    Define "immediate".
    Define "threat to life".
    Those thresholds are stratospheric.

    Well, they haven't done it yet is usually the conclusion.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    For those interested in the origins of "whelk stalls". Those of us who wonder whether any Labour politician would be capable of running even the simplest of private enterprise, it is somewhat surprising that it was coined by a Labour politician (though clearly one who had advanced skills in rhetoric) : https://wordhistories.net/2018/05/30/unable-run-whelkstall/
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,688

    kinabalu said:

    So, Putin, Xi, Netanyahu - it seems that any big boy 'strongman' worth his salt just ignores Donald Trump.

    Trump needs to put on his big boy pants. Or perhaps in his case his big boy diapers.
    He'll be saying something 'strongmanlike' on Truth Social or in the corridor of his plane, I imagine.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Dopermean said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jan 6 protestor arrested for child pornography argues Trump’s pardon means the child pornography charge has no basis because they only looked on his computer because of Jan 6.

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/not-the-typical-case-jan-6-defendant-asks-judge-to-apply-trumps-mass-pardon-to-child-pornography-charge/

    Biden pardoned his own son of serious crimes after promising for many months he would do no such thing “because Democrats believe in the rule of law”

    Then he pardoned Antony Fauci of things he MIGHT have done. Like enable the deaths of 20 million people
    The Hunter Biden pardon was an error, but it is too strong to really argue they were “serious offences”.

    The Fauci one was because Trump had been clear he intended to go after a public servant for making judgements about what to do in a very difficult situation. Pre-emptive defence
    Blah blah blah yawn
    Can’t come up with a coherent argument then? As you were.

    He “pre emptively” pardoned Fauci not for his Covid response, dummkopf, but because Fauci funded the Gain of Function research in Wuhan (against the spirit and maybe letter of US law) that likely led to the Lab Leak, and the deaths of 20 million

    Go read
    Terrible whataboutery.

    The post is about someone trying to use a pardon for one criminal act to also get themselves off a child pornography conviction...

    It is whataboutery, but it's also not unreasonable to draw the comparison.

    Both sets of pardons were wrong, IMO, though for different reasons.

    Trump's mass pardon was unjustified in its own terms, and was also going to lead inevitably to this type of consequence.

    Biden's pre-emptive pardons set a very bad precedent. And on balance it might anyway have been better for the sort of nonsense Leon spouts to have been tested in court.
    Pray, what is this nonsense you speak of?
    I think it may be broadly applied.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,731

    Roger said:

    As seen on twitter, we’ve been told for 30 years (which is roughly coterminous with Netanyahu’s corrupt leadership) that Iran is on the verge of developing a nuclear bomb.
    Those Iranians really are perfectionists.

    Odd that no one questions the Israelis nuclear weapons. A question the BBC studiously avoids
    Because there’s no real evidence. There’s a lot of speculation and, IIRC, about 20 years ago the Sunday Times had a whole series of stories from someone involved in the program(me)* - but not really much to say while everyone keeps stumm.

    * just for @Luckyguy1983
    Mordechai Vanunu. Poor man
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,303
    edited June 13
    @kinabalu 110 (bf) bet landed on Spaun being first round leader. Only had a quid on though!

    I was surprised to see Koepka at 8 this morning with bf to finish in top 5. I took some of that. He's 5.1 now which I still think is generous.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,755
    edited June 13
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    There’s an entire short funny book to be written on the mad foods eaten in far Northern Europe, and the Atlantic sub-Arctic

    The seabirds alone. Omg. Sometimes eaten whole - beak, claws, feathers

    The holy grail - the ne plus ultra - the Ultima Gastro-Thule - of such foods is the “fermented skate” of Iceland. Kæst Skata

    I’m told it’s not just the worst food in the world, it’s the worst food imaginable

    I’ve heard it described as like eating mucus soaked in bleach with your head down a urinal

    Serious question. When was the last time you saw whelks for sale?

    The tail end has the texture of mucous and the top is like chewy rubber, but covered in vinegar and pepper they are to die for.

    They were standard on shellfish stalls in my youth but I can't remember the last time I saw them on sale.
    Cockles are nicer, and most supermarkets sell them in a nice little jar.
    Is this not just another "The mass of British do not understand seafood, except salmon, cod, plaice and haddock."?

    So they go for export.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797
    edited June 13

    .

    Nigelb said:

    Dopermean said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jan 6 protestor arrested for child pornography argues Trump’s pardon means the child pornography charge has no basis because they only looked on his computer because of Jan 6.

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/not-the-typical-case-jan-6-defendant-asks-judge-to-apply-trumps-mass-pardon-to-child-pornography-charge/

    Biden pardoned his own son of serious crimes after promising for many months he would do no such thing “because Democrats believe in the rule of law”

    Then he pardoned Antony Fauci of things he MIGHT have done. Like enable the deaths of 20 million people
    The Hunter Biden pardon was an error, but it is too strong to really argue they were “serious offences”.

    The Fauci one was because Trump had been clear he intended to go after a public servant for making judgements about what to do in a very difficult situation. Pre-emptive defence
    Blah blah blah yawn
    Can’t come up with a coherent argument then? As you were.

    He “pre emptively” pardoned Fauci not for his Covid response, dummkopf, but because Fauci funded the Gain of Function research in Wuhan (against the spirit and maybe letter of US law) that likely led to the Lab Leak, and the deaths of 20 million

    Go read
    Terrible whataboutery.

    The post is about someone trying to use a pardon for one criminal act to also get themselves off a child pornography conviction...

    It is whataboutery, but it's also not unreasonable to draw the comparison.

    Both sets of pardons were wrong, IMO, though for different reasons.

    Trump's mass pardon was unjustified in its own terms, and was also going to lead inevitably to this type of consequence.

    Biden's pre-emptive pardons set a very bad precedent. And on balance it might anyway have been better for the sort of nonsense Leon spouts to have been tested in court.
    Ford pre-emptively pardoned Nixon, so any precedent goes back decades, doesn't it?

    Leon is off the deep end, into QAnon-esque territory.
    I believe the Covid virus likely leaked from the Wuhan lab, as does - inter alia - German intelligence, the CIA, the FBI, French intelligence, Dutch intelligence. the French Academy of Sciences, the US Senate, ex prime minister Boris Johnson, ex minister Michael Gove, Prof Tim Spector, who ran our Covid response, and the ex head of MI6, Richard Dearlove

    Quite a lot of people into QAnon stuff, there
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,151
    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    There’s an entire short funny book to be written on the mad foods eaten in far Northern Europe, and the Atlantic sub-Arctic

    The seabirds alone. Omg. Sometimes eaten whole - beak, claws, feathers

    The holy grail - the ne plus ultra - the Ultima Gastro-Thule - of such foods is the “fermented skate” of Iceland. Kæst Skata

    I’m told it’s not just the worst food in the world, it’s the worst food imaginable

    I’ve heard it described as like eating mucus soaked in bleach with your head down a urinal

    Serious question. When was the last time you saw whelks for sale?

    The tail end has the texture of mucous and the top is like chewy rubber, but covered in vinegar and pepper they are to die for.

    They were standard on shellfish stalls in my youth but I can't remember the last time I saw them on sale.
    Cockles are nicer, and most supermarkets sell them in a nice little jar.
    Is this not just another "The mass of British do not understand seafood, except salmon, cod, plaice and haddock."?

    So they go for export.
    How about tuna?
    Which has the bonus of coming in a tin as well.
  • Cookie said:

    I know it’s minor in the scale of things, but Israel’s taste for grandiose religio-nationalist code names for their SMOs is pretty wanky. The strike on Iran is apparently Operation Rising Lion, while their equivalent to Airforce One, Wing of Zion, is currently in the air possibly carrying its precious Bibi cargo.

    I have always felt slightly proud of the obscurity of British names for our operations. Could a less heroic name ever have been suggested than 'operation market garden'?
    I think Operation Allotment might have had the edge, though Market Garden does have a nation of shopkeepers vibe.
    Although “operation mincemeat” is nicely mundane
    Well, up to a point. It’s association with a decomposing body makes me a bit queasy.
    It's a brilliant musical (and yes it is about the war-time operation).
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,913

    Leon said:

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
    The minister clearly has swallowed the propaganda that they are economic migrants, in which case we would expect women and families on the boats. Instead, as we have previously discussed, they are mainly young men escaping conscription, war or gang war. Setting fire to the Middle East will not help.
    Chancers in other words?
    Didn't Donald Trump dodge conscription?

    Oh, I see what you mean!
    But Trump managed to live and thrive (if that's the right word) in the country that tried to conscript him.
    I believe he says the 70s wth all its risks of herpes and other STDs were his Vietnam. Perhaps that's why Trump liked to hang out with Jeffrey Epstein and his endless supply of fresh, young, untainted girls.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
    The minister clearly has swallowed the propaganda that they are economic migrants, in which case we would expect women and families on the boats. Instead, as we have previously discussed, they are mainly young men escaping conscription, war or gang war. Setting fire to the Middle East will not help.
    Indeed

    From the Migration Observatory, on arrivals crossing the Channel in small boats in the 12 months up to March 31, 2024:
    • 75 % adult males (aged 18+)
    • 16 % children (under 18)
    • The remaining 9 % are mostly adult females (with a very small “unknown” category)

    It’s quite shocking that a Labour minister can simply come on telly and unashamedly lie to the British people on a really serious matter, and everyone just shrugs. Like this is now normal

    Or maybe I still have a shred of foolish naivety
    Your hero Boris Johnson changed the political landscape when it came to telling bare-faced lies. Previously the political strategy was to obfuscate, but in the post Johnson and Trump era it is acceptable to lie and keep lying. Johnson has given cover to Labour politicians, (particularly the CV fraudster Rachel Reeves), to tell lies under the excuse that "the other lot" were worse. It is a tragic development in our political life.
  • Scott_xP said:

    well, duh...

    @sentdefender

    Iranian state-run media reports that Iran will not participate in Sunday’s nuclear talks with the United States in Oman.

    Well, they've got nothing to talk about now, have they?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797
    Dura_Ace said:

    We had some tradesmen around yesterday to fix a couple of things in the house. They appear to have done a good job.

    However, looking at the paper invoice they left, they:
    *) Misspelt my name.
    *) Put the incorrect date (it was not March...)
    *) Had my email address incorrect. Despite having contacted them by email.

    It's odd how, when they left, I felt they had done a good job. Having seen these errors, I've started to have doubts...



    Some pure Chilesy shit there.
    👏👏
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,688
    Stocky said:

    @kinabalu 110 (bf) bet landed on Spaun being first round leader. Only had a quid on though!

    I was surprised to see Koepka at 8 this morning with bf to finish in top 5. I took some of that. He's 5.1 now which I still think is generous.

    What a coup. Well done. He's underrated and well suited for this one with his straight low key game.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,316
    Nigelb said:

    Dopermean said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jan 6 protestor arrested for child pornography argues Trump’s pardon means the child pornography charge has no basis because they only looked on his computer because of Jan 6.

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/not-the-typical-case-jan-6-defendant-asks-judge-to-apply-trumps-mass-pardon-to-child-pornography-charge/

    Biden pardoned his own son of serious crimes after promising for many months he would do no such thing “because Democrats believe in the rule of law”

    Then he pardoned Antony Fauci of things he MIGHT have done. Like enable the deaths of 20 million people
    The Hunter Biden pardon was an error, but it is too strong to really argue they were “serious offences”.

    The Fauci one was because Trump had been clear he intended to go after a public servant for making judgements about what to do in a very difficult situation. Pre-emptive defence
    Blah blah blah yawn
    Can’t come up with a coherent argument then? As you were.

    He “pre emptively” pardoned Fauci not for his Covid response, dummkopf, but because Fauci funded the Gain of Function research in Wuhan (against the spirit and maybe letter of US law) that likely led to the Lab Leak, and the deaths of 20 million

    Go read
    Terrible whataboutery.

    The post is about someone trying to use a pardon for one criminal act to also get themselves off a child pornography conviction...

    It is whataboutery, but it's also not unreasonable to draw the comparison.

    Both sets of pardons were wrong, IMO, though for different reasons.

    Trump's mass pardon was unjustified in its own terms, and was also going to lead inevitably to this type of consequence.

    Biden's pre-emptive pardons set a very bad precedent. And on balance it might anyway have been better for the sort of nonsense Leon spouts to have been tested in court.
    However if the courts are rammed full of MAGA compliant Judges the possibility of a reasonably fair trial are greatly diminished.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,806

    kinabalu said:

    So, Putin, Xi, Netanyahu - it seems that any big boy 'strongman' worth his salt just ignores Donald Trump.

    Trump needs to put on his big boy pants. Or perhaps in his case his big boy diapers.
    He's having a nap

    Marco Rubio is in charge...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,755
    dixiedean said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    There’s an entire short funny book to be written on the mad foods eaten in far Northern Europe, and the Atlantic sub-Arctic

    The seabirds alone. Omg. Sometimes eaten whole - beak, claws, feathers

    The holy grail - the ne plus ultra - the Ultima Gastro-Thule - of such foods is the “fermented skate” of Iceland. Kæst Skata

    I’m told it’s not just the worst food in the world, it’s the worst food imaginable

    I’ve heard it described as like eating mucus soaked in bleach with your head down a urinal

    Serious question. When was the last time you saw whelks for sale?

    The tail end has the texture of mucous and the top is like chewy rubber, but covered in vinegar and pepper they are to die for.

    They were standard on shellfish stalls in my youth but I can't remember the last time I saw them on sale.
    Cockles are nicer, and most supermarkets sell them in a nice little jar.
    Is this not just another "The mass of British do not understand seafood, except salmon, cod, plaice and haddock."?

    So they go for export.
    How about tuna?
    Which has the bonus of coming in a tin as well.
    Tuna does not look like fish in appearance, or indeed texture.

    It is presented like Spam.

    This could be a long thread !
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,806

    Scott_xP said:

    well, duh...

    @sentdefender

    Iranian state-run media reports that Iran will not participate in Sunday’s nuclear talks with the United States in Oman.

    Well, they've got nothing to talk about now, have they?
    The lead negotiator is in hospital
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,266
    Dura_Ace said:

    We had some tradesmen around yesterday to fix a couple of things in the house. They appear to have done a good job.

    However, looking at the paper invoice they left, they:
    *) Misspelt my name.
    *) Put the incorrect date (it was not March...)
    *) Had my email address incorrect. Despite having contacted them by email.

    It's odd how, when they left, I felt they had done a good job. Having seen these errors, I've started to have doubts...



    Some pure Chilesy shit there.
    That is very funny. Didn’t even need the text.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797
    edited June 13

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
    The minister clearly has swallowed the propaganda that they are economic migrants, in which case we would expect women and families on the boats. Instead, as we have previously discussed, they are mainly young men escaping conscription, war or gang war. Setting fire to the Middle East will not help.
    Indeed

    From the Migration Observatory, on arrivals crossing the Channel in small boats in the 12 months up to March 31, 2024:
    • 75 % adult males (aged 18+)
    • 16 % children (under 18)
    • The remaining 9 % are mostly adult females (with a very small “unknown” category)

    It’s quite shocking that a Labour minister can simply come on telly and unashamedly lie to the British people on a really serious matter, and everyone just shrugs. Like this is now normal

    Or maybe I still have a shred of foolish naivety
    Your hero Boris Johnson changed the political landscape when it came to telling bare-faced lies. Previously the political strategy was to obfuscate, but in the post Johnson and Trump era it is acceptable to lie and keep lying. Johnson has given cover to Labour politicians, (particularly the CV fraudster Rachel Reeves), to tell lies under the excuse that "the other lot" were worse. It is a tragic development in our political life.
    I’m not sure Boris began all this. Eg the British establishment lied about the nature and purpose of the EU for many years - lies which led quite directly to Brexit. But I agree Boris definitely made it a lot worse

    When he came to power I was hoping he’d be like Prince Hal in Shakespeare when made king. And put aside childish things: becoming Henry V. Saying to Falstaff “I know thee not, old man”

    Instead he embraced his inner Falstaff
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,088

    Leon said:

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
    The minister clearly has swallowed the propaganda that they are economic migrants, in which case we would expect women and families on the boats. Instead, as we have previously discussed, they are mainly young men escaping conscription, war or gang war. Setting fire to the Middle East will not help.
    Chancers in other words?
    Almost the polar opposite, surely?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,088
    dixiedean said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    There’s an entire short funny book to be written on the mad foods eaten in far Northern Europe, and the Atlantic sub-Arctic

    The seabirds alone. Omg. Sometimes eaten whole - beak, claws, feathers

    The holy grail - the ne plus ultra - the Ultima Gastro-Thule - of such foods is the “fermented skate” of Iceland. Kæst Skata

    I’m told it’s not just the worst food in the world, it’s the worst food imaginable

    I’ve heard it described as like eating mucus soaked in bleach with your head down a urinal

    Serious question. When was the last time you saw whelks for sale?

    The tail end has the texture of mucous and the top is like chewy rubber, but covered in vinegar and pepper they are to die for.

    They were standard on shellfish stalls in my youth but I can't remember the last time I saw them on sale.
    Cockles are nicer, and most supermarkets sell them in a nice little jar.
    Is this not just another "The mass of British do not understand seafood, except salmon, cod, plaice and haddock."?

    So they go for export.
    How about tuna?
    Which has the bonus of coming in a tin as well.
    Tuna comes in tins with ring-pulls. Salmon used to but for some reason now needs a tin opener.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,731

    Roger said:

    As seen on twitter, we’ve been told for 30 years (which is roughly coterminous with Netanyahu’s corrupt leadership) that Iran is on the verge of developing a nuclear bomb.
    Those Iranians really are perfectionists.

    Odd that no one questions the Israelis nuclear weapons. A question the BBC studiously avoids
    At least Israel is a peace loving nation that is no threat to its neighbours.
    When you thought Israel couldn't be hated by any more nations than it alreaddy is.....I bumped into an elderly Armenian neighbour and by way of conversation mentioned the attack on Iran which she clearly knew nothing about. But instead I got a twenty minute lesson on how the ghastly Israeli's are booting the Armenians out of Jerusalem!

    I'm now going to have to do some reading.....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,316
    edited June 13

    Indicative data shows Albanians are 153x more likely to be convicted of a drug offence than Brits.

    And that Eritreans are 20x more likely to be convicted of sex offences.

    I am proposing a law change to force the release of the full facts about migrant crime & end the cover up.

    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1933419806608298463

    Bob's embedded walk-and-talk video helpfully includes a screenshot of the last time this former immigration minister proposed such a law. It seems to be dated March 2024. Bloody Keir Starmer and his time machine!

    I don't believe Bob believes he was ever in Government, so can we clear that up please?And I am sure he was warning about the Starmerwave since it was introduced in 2019.

    Q. What have Enoch Powell and Robert Jenrick got in common? A. They are both from Wolverhampton.
    Does he have figures for the number of white city gents convicted of financial frauds?
    The murderous terror campaigns against young women and girls in this country in the 70s,80s and 90s were conducted by the likes of Robert Black and Peter Tobin who were white Scots. If we broaden the brush to Levi Belfield and John ( taxi cab rapist) Warboys they were white Londoners. And Sutcliffe and Donald Nielson were white and from Yorkshire. On Jenrick's extrapolation, hoardes of vigilante women could have a field day with blaming white middle aged men for their compromised safety.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,145
    Leon said:

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
    Labour are proving themselves to be the worst caricature of a woke liberal city dwelling lefty party. They are going to get smashed at the election if they keep going like this.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,628

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
    The minister clearly has swallowed the propaganda that they are economic migrants, in which case we would expect women and families on the boats. Instead, as we have previously discussed, they are mainly young men escaping conscription, war or gang war. Setting fire to the Middle East will not help.
    Indeed

    From the Migration Observatory, on arrivals crossing the Channel in small boats in the 12 months up to March 31, 2024:
    • 75 % adult males (aged 18+)
    • 16 % children (under 18)
    • The remaining 9 % are mostly adult females (with a very small “unknown” category)

    It’s quite shocking that a Labour minister can simply come on telly and unashamedly lie to the British people on a really serious matter, and everyone just shrugs. Like this is now normal

    Or maybe I still have a shred of foolish naivety
    Your hero Boris Johnson changed the political landscape when it came to telling bare-faced lies. Previously the political strategy was to obfuscate, but in the post Johnson and Trump era it is acceptable to lie and keep lying. Johnson has given cover to Labour politicians, (particularly the CV fraudster Rachel Reeves), to tell lies under the excuse that "the other lot" were worse. It is a tragic development in our political life.
    I'm not sure I agree with that. There were plenty of liars in public life before Boris - Blair/Campbell's dishonesty was notorious.

    Also, Boris lied or was wrong about trivia, like whether he obeyed stupid rules that made no sense under COVID. But in terms of government policy, which is surely what matters, he delivered roughly what he promised - big-state Conservatism and the implementation of the people's expressed democratic wish to leave the EU. I don't agree with much of what he did, and he failed in some areas, like housebuilding, but overall he was fairly honest when it came to what he was elected for.

    Compare him with Starmer, for instance, whose first act as Labour leader was to trash all the pledges he had made to be elected, making excuses so preposterous that they are insulting to intelligence, or whose main act in economic policy was to raise a tax on working people, having repeatedly promised not to raise taxes on working people.

    It's not an appetising choice, but I'd go with a politician who is honest about policy, even if he lies about trivial details like having drinks in his own house.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,088
    edited June 13
    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/Itwitius/status/1933447218607931841

    Tim Marshall
    @Itwitius
    Well, the Iranian drones aimed at Israel in retaliation appear to be not reaching their targets. So, Q. Why drones? Why not cruise missiles? Keeping powder dry or were the launch sites destroyed? #Israel #iranisraelwar

    Or because Iran does not want a proper war with Israel that it would surely lose (not least because if it looked for a second like winning, the United States would step in).

    Most likely both are true.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,668
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
    Labour are proving themselves to be the worst caricature of a woke liberal city dwelling lefty party. They are going to get smashed at the election if they keep going like this.
    The clip is unbelievable:

    https://x.com/artemisfornow/status/1933455697607364908
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,686
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Netanyahu has painted a huge target on the back of himself and his Cabinet. I suspect the world will not be rooting for Netanyahu.

    LOL

    Roger he had a huge target on his back yesterday too and the number of allies of Israel has always been small. The only change is the Iranians might try harder to hit the target.
    How was Ballymena?
    The warm up to the Marching season.

    Belfast and Derry will have their traditional riots round the 12 July fuelled by punch the neighbours politics and Buckfast.

    Might I suggest you spend a week there, it may inspire some creative ideas.
    Giving the old bowler an outing?
    You leave Ian Botham out of this.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,731

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Netanyahu has painted a huge target on the back of himself and his Cabinet. I suspect the world will not be rooting for Netanyahu.

    LOL

    Roger he had a huge target on his back yesterday too and the number of allies of Israel has always been small. The only change is the Iranians might try harder to hit the target.
    How was Ballymena?
    The warm up to the Marching season.

    Belfast and Derry will have their traditional riots round the 12 July fuelled by punch the neighbours politics and Buckfast.

    Might I suggest you spend a week there, it may inspire some creative ideas.
    Giving the old bowler an outing?
    I eas enjoying the marketing of Alica a new bank

    Their logo is an orange bowler hat.

    I assume West Belfast is not the target market
    Though creatives in ad agencies are generally more imaginitive than your average they're often not the most educated!
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,615
    Absolutely fantastic news from the Middle East overnight, no surprise TACO Trump was too frit to hit Iran directly, but delighted that Israel not only had the balls to do the right thing, but seem to have done it so impressively as well.

    I imagine it will be too much to hope for that this escalates to full regime change in Iran, that would be the ideal, but ensuring that Iran never gets nukes must be the minimum achieved.

    The entire West and Free World should be utterly grateful to our allies in Israel today.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,806
    @kiraincongress

    russia is clearly benefiting from the instability in the Middle East, as it prevents oil sanctions. This is what you get when your "Middle East envoy" is also trying to make putin happy.

    https://x.com/kiraincongress/status/1933457488709386656
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
    Labour are proving themselves to be the worst caricature of a woke liberal city dwelling lefty party. They are going to get smashed at the election if they keep going like this.
    Yes. See the reaction of that QT audience. Total and understandable disbelief. And then he says “I’m going to challenge the audience” - right after that incredible bare faced lie

    The audience is the electorate. Labour will get total and absolute disbelief at an election and they will deservedly be consigned to oblivion
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A typical Labour voter managed to get onto Question Time yesterday:

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1933293124807246206

    "I voted Labour, and if there was an election tomorrow I would still vote Labour, but they would lose and we would be under a Reform government"

    "A government with no plan and no clue what they're doing"

    "Send border force out there, as soon as the dinghies leave French waters we turn them round, send them back.. That's how you smash the gangs"

    "And instead of saying lets build more homes for immigrants, lets have less immigrants for homes"

    The labour minister on that show tried to claim that “most people in the boats are women children and babies”

    He actually said that. Like we can’t all see with our own eyes or read the official data

    It was such a bare faced lie it went far beyond gaslighting. I wonder if he actually believes it in some mad woke parallel universe
    The minister clearly has swallowed the propaganda that they are economic migrants, in which case we would expect women and families on the boats. Instead, as we have previously discussed, they are mainly young men escaping conscription, war or gang war. Setting fire to the Middle East will not help.
    Indeed

    From the Migration Observatory, on arrivals crossing the Channel in small boats in the 12 months up to March 31, 2024:
    • 75 % adult males (aged 18+)
    • 16 % children (under 18)
    • The remaining 9 % are mostly adult females (with a very small “unknown” category)

    It’s quite shocking that a Labour minister can simply come on telly and unashamedly lie to the British people on a really serious matter, and everyone just shrugs. Like this is now normal

    Or maybe I still have a shred of foolish naivety
    Your hero Boris Johnson changed the political landscape when it came to telling bare-faced lies. Previously the political strategy was to obfuscate, but in the post Johnson and Trump era it is acceptable to lie and keep lying. Johnson has given cover to Labour politicians, (particularly the CV fraudster Rachel Reeves), to tell lies under the excuse that "the other lot" were worse. It is a tragic development in our political life.
    I’m not sure Boris began all this. Eg the British establishment lied about the nature and purpose of the EU for many years - lies which led quite directly to Brexit. But I agree Boris definitely made it a lot worse

    When he came to power I was hoping he’d be like Prince Hal in Shakespeare when made king. And put aside childish things: becoming Henry V. Saying to Falstaff “I know thee not, old man”

    Instead he embraced his inner Falstaff
    Those of us with a little better understanding of the human condition recognised him as Falstaff from the moment of his tragically damaging emergence into public life.

    With respect to your comments on "the establishment" lying (of which Johnson is most definitely a part, contrary to what his gullible apologists believe). I personally think that this is provable nonsense. At most the political class might be accused of obfuscation with respect to the European project. The fact that the average leave voter was too thick to be able to read openly available literature on the subject is a sad indictment of our education system, and disinterest in politics. As I mentioned in the previous post there is a significant demarcation between obfuscation and outright political lie. Johnson was a pioneer in the latter.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,839
    Dura_Ace said:

    We had some tradesmen around yesterday to fix a couple of things in the house. They appear to have done a good job.

    However, looking at the paper invoice they left, they:
    *) Misspelt my name.
    *) Put the incorrect date (it was not March...)
    *) Had my email address incorrect. Despite having contacted them by email.

    It's odd how, when they left, I felt they had done a good job. Having seen these errors, I've started to have doubts...



    Some pure Chilesy shit there.
    And your point is?
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