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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,688
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Department Q is tired, cliched, laborious DRECK

    Fie on the PB-ers that commended it. Tsk

    It's nice if you live in Edinburgh. Keeping a close eye out for my flat.
    Yes, I liked the Edinburgh setting…. And, sadly, that’s where the liking ended

    “A brilliant but arrogant and troubled detective is rehired to investigate classic cold cases”

    I mean, REALLY?! Somebody greenlit that knackered old pitch? Tbf it’s done well in ratings but that’s because audiences are stupid

    At this rate I may have to switch to… novels

    *shudders, internally*
    And don't tell me, the cases all have young women being terrorised.

    I'm on viewer strike for that genre.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,422

    Why are all these Democrats undermining the legitimacy of the federal government?

    Yes. They are the Bad People
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,688
    Leon said:

    Another win for the genius that is Starmer

    After “not getting anything on e-gates after all” it looks like the UK will also be excluded from the EU defence fund entirely. This is what he got in exchange for handing TWELVE YEARS of fishing UK waters to France

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/12/france-blocking-britain-from-eu-massive-defence-fund/

    He is impossibly bad at politics. A cretin

    Telegraph.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,970
    edited June 12
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Department Q is tired, cliched, laborious DRECK

    Fie on the PB-ers that commended it. Tsk

    It's nice if you live in Edinburgh. Keeping a close eye out for my flat.
    Yes, I liked the Edinburgh setting…. And, sadly, that’s where the liking ended

    “A brilliant but arrogant and troubled detective is rehired to investigate classic cold cases”

    I mean, REALLY?! Somebody greenlit that knackered old pitch? Tbf it’s done well in ratings but that’s because audiences are stupid

    At this rate I may have to switch to… novels

    *shudders, internally*
    They've closed large chunks of the city down for a JJ Abrams film this week too.

    I think crime is a bit overdone in Edinburgh now, with Guilt and the various attempts at Rebus. They never quite get the feel of the city, IMO.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,143
    One of my dad's friends from his early career was on the plane, very sombre mood for my family tonight. He was a really great guy, super funny and charismatic. A real loss, he used to come over every to my parents every few months and he was so happy when he met my daughter for the first time last year, he got her loads of presents and clothes and treated her like she was his own grandchild.

    Also my brother in law had family friends on there, all gone, mother, two kids, son in law and a grandchild. They'd gone there to spread their father's ashes in his ancestral home.

    Whether it's Boeing or Air India, someone needs to fall for this. Absolutely shocking.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,004
    If this deal with Serco is real, Labour should be ashamed of themselves

    https://x.com/ziayusufuk/status/1933096394501292298?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Department Q is tired, cliched, laborious DRECK

    Fie on the PB-ers that commended it. Tsk

    It's nice if you live in Edinburgh. Keeping a close eye out for my flat.
    Yes, I liked the Edinburgh setting…. And, sadly, that’s where the liking ended

    “A brilliant but arrogant and troubled detective is rehired to investigate classic cold cases”

    I mean, REALLY?! Somebody greenlit that knackered old pitch? Tbf it’s done well in ratings but that’s because audiences are stupid

    At this rate I may have to switch to… novels

    *shudders, internally*
    They've closed large chunks of the city down for a JJ Abrams film this week too.

    I think crime is a bit overdone in Edinburgh now, with Guilt and the various attempts at Rebus. They never quite get the feel of the city, IMO.
    It’s such a telegenic city, tho. I was willing this to succeed

    I have genuinely come to depend on a fix of high quality TV drama, most nights. It’s how I like to unwind

    Glass of wine, brain on hold, Netflix and chill…

    Feel like I’m being forced to go Cold Turkey
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,438
    edited June 12
    Leon said:

    Another win for the genius that is Starmer

    After “not getting anything on e-gates after all” it looks like the UK will also be excluded from the EU defence fund entirely. This is what he got in exchange for handing TWELVE YEARS of fishing UK waters to France

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/12/france-blocking-britain-from-eu-massive-defence-fund/

    He is impossibly bad at politics. A cretin

    For a lawyer is he as thick as shit or just doesn't care? Nobody in business would sign such a deal with only an guarantee to talk about being involved in something in the future i.e. it legally guarantees absolutely nothing.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,804
    Eabhal said:

    They've closed large chunks of the city down for a JJ Abrams film this week too.

    I think crime is a bit overdone in Edinburgh now, with Guilt and the various attempts at Rebus. They never quite get the feel of the city, IMO.

    The film is some futuristic thing. Looks like Bladerunner. Saw a clip earlier.

    I was mildly amused to see the 'police HQ' in Dept Q was the back entrance of Argyle House. The front entrance of the same building was used as 'police HQ' in at least one other Edinburgh crime series
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,422

    Leon said:

    Another win for the genius that is Starmer

    After “not getting anything on e-gates after all” it looks like the UK will also be excluded from the EU defence fund entirely. This is what he got in exchange for handing TWELVE YEARS of fishing UK waters to France

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/12/france-blocking-britain-from-eu-massive-defence-fund/

    He is impossibly bad at politics. A cretin

    For a lawyer is he as thick as shit or just doesn't care? Nobody in business would sign such a deal with only an guarantee to talk about being involved in something in the future i.e. it guarantees absolutely nothing.
    We haven’t signed a deal. We signed a heads of agreement and are now negotiating the deal.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,666

    Leon said:

    Another win for the genius that is Starmer

    After “not getting anything on e-gates after all” it looks like the UK will also be excluded from the EU defence fund entirely. This is what he got in exchange for handing TWELVE YEARS of fishing UK waters to France

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/12/france-blocking-britain-from-eu-massive-defence-fund/

    He is impossibly bad at politics. A cretin

    For a lawyer is he as thick as shit or just doesn't care? Nobody in business would sign such a deal with only an guarantee to talk about being involved in something in the future i.e. it guarantees absolutely nothing.
    Do none of the lawyers who end up in senior political roles have a background in commercial law?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,438
    edited June 12

    Leon said:

    Another win for the genius that is Starmer

    After “not getting anything on e-gates after all” it looks like the UK will also be excluded from the EU defence fund entirely. This is what he got in exchange for handing TWELVE YEARS of fishing UK waters to France

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/12/france-blocking-britain-from-eu-massive-defence-fund/

    He is impossibly bad at politics. A cretin

    For a lawyer is he as thick as shit or just doesn't care? Nobody in business would sign such a deal with only an guarantee to talk about being involved in something in the future i.e. it guarantees absolutely nothing.
    We haven’t signed a deal. We signed a heads of agreement and are now negotiating the deal.
    In other words even worse. We have agreed to talk about an agreement about possibility of agreeing something in the future. All while the massive German arms company will be bidding for the deals. So we could well end up eventually agreeing to be involved in a scheme where a lot of the money has already been allocated.

    There were two big positive aims of getting a new EU deal, one the checks on goods between EU / UK and involvement in the EU splashing massive cash for arms deals.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797

    Leon said:

    Another win for the genius that is Starmer

    After “not getting anything on e-gates after all” it looks like the UK will also be excluded from the EU defence fund entirely. This is what he got in exchange for handing TWELVE YEARS of fishing UK waters to France

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/12/france-blocking-britain-from-eu-massive-defence-fund/

    He is impossibly bad at politics. A cretin

    For a lawyer is he as thick as shit or just doesn't care? Nobody in business would sign such a deal with only an guarantee to talk about being involved in something in the future i.e. it guarantees absolutely nothing.
    I’ve come to the conclusion he’s thick as shit but doesn’t realise it, plus he’s morally vain so likes to be on the “good” and “generous” side

    It’s an absolutely toxic combination for someone trying to lead a country and negotiate on its behalf
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,265
    kinabalu said:

    I hope Latinos for Trump are f*cking proud of themselves.

    I'd imagine all his voter groups except "Morons for Trump" must be feeling pretty sick by now.
    Black Shorts for Trump are happy as a pig at a wet Glastonbury.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,151

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    @TheScreamingEagles needs to take back everything he has said about the inadequacies in Morris Dancer's historical knowledge...

    Trump: "Russia fought with us in WWII and everybody hates them. And Germany and Japan, they're fine — some day somebody will explain that...Everybody hates Russia and they love Germany and Japan...It's a strange world."
    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1933207285733756966

    It's almost as though other things happened after WW2, but he's a busy genius, we cannot expect him to know that.
    It’s almost like he has a disease that means he’s living in the past and he’s forgotten what happened over the past 35 years
    “ Though they murdered six million,
    In the ovens they fried.
    The Germans now too have
    God on their side.”

    It’s not an original thought ( of course).
    I wonder if Dylan voted for Trump.

    https://www.clashmusic.com/news/bob-dylans-only-comment-on-donald-trump/

    To our knowledge, Bob Dylan has only mentioned Donald Trump once – passing reference in his book Chronicles. As ever, the gnomic wisdom of Dylan is perceptive – he wrote:

    “I mean, who’s the last individual performer that you can think of – Elton John, maybe? I’m talking about artists with the willpower not to conform to anybody’s reality but their own. Patsy Cline and Billy Lee Riley. Plato and Socrates, Whitman and Emerson. Slim Harpo and Donald Trump. It’s a lost art form. I don’t know who else does it beside myself, to tell you the truth.”
    There's a whole segment on why he's a Democrat.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,241
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    We need to take this seriously.

    “If Russia invades NATO allies, are you going to recommend to the President that we fulfil our Article 5 obligations?” — Democrats press SecDef Hegseth
    https://x.com/ralakbar/status/1933226330159800816

    Fortunately Rubio is going to stand up, right?
    I believe he sent Russia birthday wishes today.
    As you do with mass murdering regimes.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,355
    You can't be both a supporter of democracy and a supporter of Trump.

    We should treat Trump sympathisers accordingly.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,241

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    @TheScreamingEagles needs to take back everything he has said about the inadequacies in Morris Dancer's historical knowledge...

    Trump: "Russia fought with us in WWII and everybody hates them. And Germany and Japan, they're fine — some day somebody will explain that...Everybody hates Russia and they love Germany and Japan...It's a strange world."
    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1933207285733756966

    It's almost as though other things happened after WW2, but he's a busy genius, we cannot expect him to know that.
    It’s almost like he has a disease that means he’s living in the past and he’s forgotten what happened over the past 35 years
    “ Though they murdered six million,
    In the ovens they fried.
    The Germans now too have
    God on their side.”

    It’s not an original thought ( of course).
    I wonder if Dylan voted for Trump.

    https://www.clashmusic.com/news/bob-dylans-only-comment-on-donald-trump/

    To our knowledge, Bob Dylan has only mentioned Donald Trump once – passing reference in his book Chronicles. As ever, the gnomic wisdom of Dylan is perceptive – he wrote:

    “I mean, who’s the last individual performer that you can think of – Elton John, maybe? I’m talking about artists with the willpower not to conform to anybody’s reality but their own. Patsy Cline and Billy Lee Riley. Plato and Socrates, Whitman and Emerson. Slim Harpo and Donald Trump. It’s a lost art form. I don’t know who else does it beside myself, to tell you the truth.”
    Do you, william ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,265
    GOP now calling for the handcuffed senator to be censured.

    Just f*cking wow. They can't debase themselves enough. The knee has to be bent to the anointed one so far they break their own joints.

  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,288

    Leon said:

    Another win for the genius that is Starmer

    After “not getting anything on e-gates after all” it looks like the UK will also be excluded from the EU defence fund entirely. This is what he got in exchange for handing TWELVE YEARS of fishing UK waters to France

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/12/france-blocking-britain-from-eu-massive-defence-fund/

    He is impossibly bad at politics. A cretin

    For a lawyer is he as thick as shit or just doesn't care? Nobody in business would sign such a deal with only an guarantee to talk about being involved in something in the future i.e. it guarantees absolutely nothing.
    We haven’t signed a deal. We signed a heads of agreement and are now negotiating the deal.
    It's an example of how Brexit has made us weaker.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,438
    edited June 12

    Leon said:

    Another win for the genius that is Starmer

    After “not getting anything on e-gates after all” it looks like the UK will also be excluded from the EU defence fund entirely. This is what he got in exchange for handing TWELVE YEARS of fishing UK waters to France

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/12/france-blocking-britain-from-eu-massive-defence-fund/

    He is impossibly bad at politics. A cretin

    For a lawyer is he as thick as shit or just doesn't care? Nobody in business would sign such a deal with only an guarantee to talk about being involved in something in the future i.e. it guarantees absolutely nothing.
    Do none of the lawyers who end up in senior political roles have a background in commercial law?
    Well we know the current government ministers have zero experience actually running any business and it shows.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,804

    GOP now calling for the handcuffed senator to be censured.

    Just f*cking wow. They can't debase themselves enough. The knee has to be bent to the anointed one so far they break their own joints.

    show trials
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,241

    Nigelb said:

    We need to take this seriously.

    “If Russia invades NATO allies, are you going to recommend to the President that we fulfil our Article 5 obligations?” — Democrats press SecDef Hegseth
    https://x.com/ralakbar/status/1933226330159800816

    The elephant in the room is that article 5 obligations are much weaker than most people think. It doesn’t mean that the US is obliged to go to war on behalf of a NATO member.
    Everyone is aware of that, which is why the question was asked.

    Are you being deliberately perverse ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,241
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Department Q is tired, cliched, laborious DRECK

    Fie on the PB-ers that commended it. Tsk

    Haven't watched it.
    It looked like generic stuff, so didn't bother.

    If you're into graphically violent revenge drama, then Mercy for None might appeal.

    Daft, but good.
    So Ji-sub is excellent.
    It’s extremely generic. So dull

    Sadly I fear its success is a sign of how poor TV drama is getting. The Golden Age is well behind us
    Then watch him in My Secret, Terrius.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,438
    edited June 12
    I wonder if Starmer will eventually agree the following, we can be involved in the EU defence fund only if EU firms are treated as equal to UK firms in the UK expansion of defence spending, but by the time we agree all this the EU fund has already allocated a huge percentage of the funding to the Germans and French mega companies, while the UK is only starting to ram up expanded funding and so there are lots of juicy contracts still available.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,666

    I wonder if Starmer will eventually agree the following, we can be involved in the EU defence fund only if EU firms are treated as equal to UK firms in the UK expansion of defence spending, but by the time we agree all this the EU fund has already allocated a huge percentage of the funding to the Germans and French mega companies, while the UK is only starting to ram up expanded funding and so there are lots of juicy contracts still available.

    “Getting Value for Money for the taxpayer as part of our Plan for Change.”
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,316
    ...
    Scott_xP said:

    GOP now calling for the handcuffed senator to be censured.

    Just f*cking wow. They can't debase themselves enough. The knee has to be bent to the anointed one so far they break their own joints.

    show trials
    The Administration is going to go full Pinochet.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,931
    MaxPB said:

    One of my dad's friends from his early career was on the plane, very sombre mood for my family tonight. He was a really great guy, super funny and charismatic. A real loss, he used to come over every to my parents every few months and he was so happy when he met my daughter for the first time last year, he got her loads of presents and clothes and treated her like she was his own grandchild.

    Also my brother in law had family friends on there, all gone, mother, two kids, son in law and a grandchild. They'd gone there to spread their father's ashes in his ancestral home.

    Whether it's Boeing or Air India, someone needs to fall for this. Absolutely shocking.

    Sorry to hear. The investigation will take some time I think to find out the cause.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,970
    edited June 12
    Scott_xP said:

    Eabhal said:

    They've closed large chunks of the city down for a JJ Abrams film this week too.

    I think crime is a bit overdone in Edinburgh now, with Guilt and the various attempts at Rebus. They never quite get the feel of the city, IMO.

    The film is some futuristic thing. Looks like Bladerunner. Saw a clip earlier.

    I was mildly amused to see the 'police HQ' in Dept Q was the back entrance of Argyle House. The front entrance of the same building was used as 'police HQ' in at least one other Edinburgh crime series
    We're quite enjoying overdoing the sights. The castle! Leith Links! That close off Lawnmarket my pal cracked his cheekbone in! Is Mark Bonnar based on DavidL?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,688
    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    @TheScreamingEagles needs to take back everything he has said about the inadequacies in Morris Dancer's historical knowledge...

    Trump: "Russia fought with us in WWII and everybody hates them. And Germany and Japan, they're fine — some day somebody will explain that...Everybody hates Russia and they love Germany and Japan...It's a strange world."
    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1933207285733756966

    It's almost as though other things happened after WW2, but he's a busy genius, we cannot expect him to know that.
    It’s almost like he has a disease that means he’s living in the past and he’s forgotten what happened over the past 35 years
    “ Though they murdered six million,
    In the ovens they fried.
    The Germans now too have
    God on their side.”

    It’s not an original thought ( of course).
    I wonder if Dylan voted for Trump.

    https://www.clashmusic.com/news/bob-dylans-only-comment-on-donald-trump/

    To our knowledge, Bob Dylan has only mentioned Donald Trump once – passing reference in his book Chronicles. As ever, the gnomic wisdom of Dylan is perceptive – he wrote:

    “I mean, who’s the last individual performer that you can think of – Elton John, maybe? I’m talking about artists with the willpower not to conform to anybody’s reality but their own. Patsy Cline and Billy Lee Riley. Plato and Socrates, Whitman and Emerson. Slim Harpo and Donald Trump. It’s a lost art form. I don’t know who else does it beside myself, to tell you the truth.”
    There's a whole segment on why he's a Democrat.
    William being a jokerman again there.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,305
    CatMan said:

    Leon said:

    Another win for the genius that is Starmer

    After “not getting anything on e-gates after all” it looks like the UK will also be excluded from the EU defence fund entirely. This is what he got in exchange for handing TWELVE YEARS of fishing UK waters to France

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/12/france-blocking-britain-from-eu-massive-defence-fund/

    He is impossibly bad at politics. A cretin

    For a lawyer is he as thick as shit or just doesn't care? Nobody in business would sign such a deal with only an guarantee to talk about being involved in something in the future i.e. it guarantees absolutely nothing.
    We haven’t signed a deal. We signed a heads of agreement and are now negotiating the deal.
    It's an example of how Brexit has made us weaker.
    We'll have to console ourselves with the tens of billions of pounds which would have been our net contribution to the EU's coronavirus fund. Much of which was not spent until well after the pandemic was over.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,666
    https://www.city-journal.org/article/lockheed-martin-civil-rights-law-bonuses-race-merit

    According to a whistleblower, @LockheedMartin awarded employee bonuses “on the basis of their skin color alone and contrary to documented performance." In one case, the company forced managers to remove 18 whites from the bonus list and replace them with 18 "POC."
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,316
    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    @TheScreamingEagles needs to take back everything he has said about the inadequacies in Morris Dancer's historical knowledge...

    Trump: "Russia fought with us in WWII and everybody hates them. And Germany and Japan, they're fine — some day somebody will explain that...Everybody hates Russia and they love Germany and Japan...It's a strange world."
    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1933207285733756966

    It's almost as though other things happened after WW2, but he's a busy genius, we cannot expect him to know that.
    It’s almost like he has a disease that means he’s living in the past and he’s forgotten what happened over the past 35 years
    “ Though they murdered six million,
    In the ovens they fried.
    The Germans now too have
    God on their side.”

    It’s not an original thought ( of course).
    I wonder if Dylan voted for Trump.

    https://www.clashmusic.com/news/bob-dylans-only-comment-on-donald-trump/

    To our knowledge, Bob Dylan has only mentioned Donald Trump once – passing reference in his book Chronicles. As ever, the gnomic wisdom of Dylan is perceptive – he wrote:

    “I mean, who’s the last individual performer that you can think of – Elton John, maybe? I’m talking about artists with the willpower not to conform to anybody’s reality but their own. Patsy Cline and Billy Lee Riley. Plato and Socrates, Whitman and Emerson. Slim Harpo and Donald Trump. It’s a lost art form. I don’t know who else does it beside myself, to tell you the truth.”
    There's a whole segment on why he's a Democrat.
    William being a jokerman again there.
    It's really grating, although William executes his trolling with far more grace than the PB Troll in Chief.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,970
    edited June 12
    MaxPB said:

    One of my dad's friends from his early career was on the plane, very sombre mood for my family tonight. He was a really great guy, super funny and charismatic. A real loss, he used to come over every to my parents every few months and he was so happy when he met my daughter for the first time last year, he got her loads of presents and clothes and treated her like she was his own grandchild.

    Also my brother in law had family friends on there, all gone, mother, two kids, son in law and a grandchild. They'd gone there to spread their father's ashes in his ancestral home.

    Whether it's Boeing or Air India, someone needs to fall for this. Absolutely shocking.

    Grim. Condolences.

    When it's so many people it's difficult to look past the numbers until you get an account like this.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,931
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    https://futurism.com/chatgpt-mental-health-crises

    ^ people getting delusional from ChatGPT use

    That's a fascinating article.
    Its conclusions surely won’t come as a surprise to any regular PB’er?
    No, I guess not.

    How much is directly down to ChatGPT and how much down to pre-morbid traits is hard to know. Like all Social Media it is designed to be an echo chamber to keep you clicking.

    I wish there was a simple way to switch off AI on phones and apps. It is mostly bloatware that just interferes with what I am trying to do.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,597
    GOP is starting to go too far now. Deporting illegal immigrants was okay imo but not handcuffing the senior senator from California for trying to ask a question.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,316
    Andy_JS said:

    GOP is starting to go too far now. Deporting illegal immigrants was okay imo but not handcuffing the senior senator from California for trying to ask a question.

    But there is much contention that many/most deported immigrants weren't illegal at all.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,804
    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Eabhal said:

    They've closed large chunks of the city down for a JJ Abrams film this week too.

    I think crime is a bit overdone in Edinburgh now, with Guilt and the various attempts at Rebus. They never quite get the feel of the city, IMO.

    The film is some futuristic thing. Looks like Bladerunner. Saw a clip earlier.

    I was mildly amused to see the 'police HQ' in Dept Q was the back entrance of Argyle House. The front entrance of the same building was used as 'police HQ' in at least one other Edinburgh crime series
    We're quite enjoying overdoing the sights. The castle! Leith Links! That close off Lawnmarket my pal cracked his cheekbone in! Is Mark Bonnar based on DavidL?
    'Leith Park' is Wester Hailes tho...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,438
    Andy_JS said:

    GOP is starting to go too far now. Deporting illegal immigrants was okay imo but not handcuffing the senior senator from California for trying to ask a question.

    Deporting illegal immigrants to their own country of origin is one thing, to a prison in a different country from which they come without any legal process is already going too far.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,970
    Scott_xP said:

    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Eabhal said:

    They've closed large chunks of the city down for a JJ Abrams film this week too.

    I think crime is a bit overdone in Edinburgh now, with Guilt and the various attempts at Rebus. They never quite get the feel of the city, IMO.

    The film is some futuristic thing. Looks like Bladerunner. Saw a clip earlier.

    I was mildly amused to see the 'police HQ' in Dept Q was the back entrance of Argyle House. The front entrance of the same building was used as 'police HQ' in at least one other Edinburgh crime series
    We're quite enjoying overdoing the sights. The castle! Leith Links! That close off Lawnmarket my pal cracked his cheekbone in! Is Mark Bonnar based on DavidL?
    'Leith Park' is Wester Hailes tho...
    But his flat is on the Links. Weird. I quite like the bus travel, trying to work out if the 34 really does go down that street...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,241
    “ICE” is snatching people from churches now. Never forget they said this👇🏾

    MAN AT CHURCH: “We don’t want this in our property.”

    ICE: “The whole country is our property.”

    No IDs shown, non-government out of state plates, basic tactical vests that just say police. Who are these men?

    https://x.com/cwebbonline/status/1933240077926478264
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,265
    Guardian. Wow:


    George Mann
    @sgfmann
    ·
    47m
    The Guardian: At least 260 die as plane on way to UK crashes in India



    Every other paper:

    Miracle man walks away!!!!


    "on way" makes it sounds like it was meandering down the Grantchester meadows in a small boat.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797
    edited June 12
    Just realised London property is about to crater
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,597
    Nominative determinism.

    "Poundland sold for £1 with shops set to close"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36594lr29ko
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,438
    Andy_JS said:

    Nominative determinism.

    "Poundland sold for £1 with shops set to close"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36594lr29ko

    Rebranded to FiverLand?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,542
    MaxPB said:

    One of my dad's friends from his early career was on the plane, very sombre mood for my family tonight. He was a really great guy, super funny and charismatic. A real loss, he used to come over every to my parents every few months and he was so happy when he met my daughter for the first time last year, he got her loads of presents and clothes and treated her like she was his own grandchild.

    Also my brother in law had family friends on there, all gone, mother, two kids, son in law and a grandchild. They'd gone there to spread their father's ashes in his ancestral home.

    Whether it's Boeing or Air India, someone needs to fall for this. Absolutely shocking.

    Deepest sympathies, Max.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,030
    Andy_JS said:

    GOP is starting to go too far now. Deporting illegal immigrants was okay imo but not handcuffing the senior senator from California for trying to ask a question.

    As Gen Mark Milley said, Trump is a fascist. We had been warned.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,004
    Surely not?

    BREAKING - Labour Government buying up dozens of asylum seeker hotels and will rebrand bedrooms as ‘privately rented residential accommodation’ (via @GuidoFawkes)

    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/1933200842280095844?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,438

    Guardian. Wow:


    George Mann
    @sgfmann
    ·
    47m
    The Guardian: At least 260 die as plane on way to UK crashes in India



    Every other paper:

    Miracle man walks away!!!!


    "on way" makes it sounds like it was meandering down the Grantchester meadows in a small boat.

    If it bleeds, it leads...
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,903
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    https://futurism.com/chatgpt-mental-health-crises

    ^ people getting delusional from ChatGPT use

    That's a fascinating article.
    Its conclusions surely won’t come as a surprise to any regular PB’er?
    No, I guess not.

    How much is directly down to ChatGPT and how much down to pre-morbid traits is hard to know. Like all Social Media it is designed to be an echo chamber to keep you clicking.

    I wish there was a simple way to switch off AI on phones and apps. It is mostly bloatware that just interferes with what I am trying to do.
    🤖 We've spotted another non-believer

    I remember someone being interviewed back when 'computer games are making people go mad' was the fashion (somewhat post satanic-panic 'dungeons and dragons are...' going out of favour and pre-ecstacy being the next). Some kid had killed his younger sibling because they lost at a computer game.

    And the interviewee saying something along the lines of "They were a powder-keg. Losing at tiddly-winks would have set them off the same way."

    Personally, I think LLMs could be a great boon for people with the need for advice/therapy. But at the moment you are at the whim of the providers - todays 'chatgpt 4.15' is not tomorrows 'chatgpt 4.15'. And that can be a big problem.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,597
    I don't think things are quite as bad as this in the UK yet, or maybe I'm too optimistic.

    "The collapse of the American Dream
    Now the middle class are downwardly mobile
    Jeff Bloodworth"

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/12/meet-reforms-new-chairman/
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,597
    edited June 12
    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Why do you think this is going to happen? Wouldn't be surprised if it does: nothing lasts forever, and London property prices have been going up since about 1981.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,438
    edited June 12
    isam said:

    Surely not?

    BREAKING - Labour Government buying up dozens of asylum seeker hotels and will rebrand bedrooms as ‘privately rented residential accommodation’ (via @GuidoFawkes)

    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/1933200842280095844?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Why surely not? It is obvious that the government will do whatever it takes to enable them to claim they have solved the problem when it gets to the next election and the "we will not use hotels" doesn't pass the smell test given they are never going back to the barge type approaches and private landlords are getting hammered by the government for being a landlord. I think the problem for them is that with the internet just doing media rounds with the official narrative e.g. Blair approach doesn't work.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,265
    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Taxi driver said he is getting 'out of the game'?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,438
    edited June 12
    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Stamp Duty : Stamping Out House Sales
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7EwlRdinY

    Remember the days when it was just 1-2%.

    In particular, we really need oldies to move out of those big homes, but they have to find a big chunk of change now in cash to downsize. It seems a perverse incentive.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,038
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Why do you think this is going to happen? Wouldn't be surprised if it does: nothing lasts forever, and London property prices have been going up since about 1981.
    1990 or so was the last property crash.

    I bought my first flat in 1998. For the 1988 price.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,597
    It feels like we've had more serious plane incidents over the last few years after a period between about 1990 and 2015 where there weren't that many (excluding terrorism, etc). But I haven't checked the statistics.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,305

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Why do you think this is going to happen? Wouldn't be surprised if it does: nothing lasts forever, and London property prices have been going up since about 1981.
    1990 or so was the last property crash.

    I bought my first flat in 1998. For the 1988 price.
    Since the 1993 nadir, property prices in Cambridge have gone up 3.5x - in real terms. I assume some parts of London are the same.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,438
    edited June 12
    Andy_JS said:

    It feels like we've had more serious plane incidents over the last few years after a period between about 1990 and 2015 where there weren't that many (excluding terrorism, etc). But I haven't checked the statistics.

    I think it might be recency bias e.g. Korean Air were terrible in the 1990s, due to culture norms of not overruling based upon seniority and age. They had to re-train all their pilots to overcome this. Aeroflot were notoriously dangerous.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,340
    Green hold in Suffolk, appox %s

    Green 901 64% (-13)
    Con 444 32% (+9)
    LD 61 4% (new)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Why do you think this is going to happen? Wouldn't be surprised if it does: nothing lasts forever, and London property prices have been going up since about 1981.
    Mass immigration plus technological change - we’re at a tipping point with both

    I reckon prices could plunge in a way we have never seen before. Total implosion
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,597

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Why do you think this is going to happen? Wouldn't be surprised if it does: nothing lasts forever, and London property prices have been going up since about 1981.
    1990 or so was the last property crash.

    I bought my first flat in 1998. For the 1988 price.
    I was aware of 1990 but it was more of a blip in the long-term scheme of things in terms of London property prices.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,305
    Andy_JS said:

    It feels like we've had more serious plane incidents over the last few years after a period between about 1990 and 2015 where there weren't that many (excluding terrorism, etc). But I haven't checked the statistics.

    The big improvement is in hijackings:

    "In a five-year period (1968–1972) the world experienced 326 hijack attempts, or one every 5.6 days.[25] The incidents were frequent and often just an inconvenience, which resulted in television shows creating parodies.[26] Time magazine even ran a lighthearted comedy piece called "What to Do When the Hijacker Comes".[27] Most incidents occurred in the United States. There were two distinct types: hijackings for transportation elsewhere and hijackings for extortion with the threat of harm.[25]"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797

    isam said:

    Surely not?

    BREAKING - Labour Government buying up dozens of asylum seeker hotels and will rebrand bedrooms as ‘privately rented residential accommodation’ (via @GuidoFawkes)

    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/1933200842280095844?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Why surely not? It is obvious that the government will do whatever it takes to enable them to claim they have solved the problem when it gets to the next election and the "we will not use hotels" doesn't pass the smell test given they are never going back to the barge type approaches and private landlords are getting hammered by the government for being a landlord. I think the problem for them is that with the internet just doing media rounds with the official narrative e.g. Blair approach doesn't work.
    This won’t work either. It will probably make things worse
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,438
    edited June 12
    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Surely not?

    BREAKING - Labour Government buying up dozens of asylum seeker hotels and will rebrand bedrooms as ‘privately rented residential accommodation’ (via @GuidoFawkes)

    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/1933200842280095844?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Why surely not? It is obvious that the government will do whatever it takes to enable them to claim they have solved the problem when it gets to the next election and the "we will not use hotels" doesn't pass the smell test given they are never going back to the barge type approaches and private landlords are getting hammered by the government for being a landlord. I think the problem for them is that with the internet just doing media rounds with the official narrative e.g. Blair approach doesn't work.
    This won’t work either. It will probably make things worse
    Yes but lawyer mega-brain Starmer probably thinks I have got this one, TECHNICALLY, they aren't in hotels.....and then we will see all these social media clips from people who go to the former Best Western Crapville, who show there are still 100s of people staying in the no-name building working for Deilveroo.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Surely not?

    BREAKING - Labour Government buying up dozens of asylum seeker hotels and will rebrand bedrooms as ‘privately rented residential accommodation’ (via @GuidoFawkes)

    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/1933200842280095844?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Why surely not? It is obvious that the government will do whatever it takes to enable them to claim they have solved the problem when it gets to the next election and the "we will not use hotels" doesn't pass the smell test given they are never going back to the barge type approaches and private landlords are getting hammered by the government for being a landlord. I think the problem for them is that with the internet just doing media rounds with the official narrative e.g. Blair approach doesn't work.
    This won’t work either. It will probably make things worse
    Yes but Lawyer mega-brain Starmer probably thinks I have got this one, TECHNICALLY, they aren't in hotels.....
    Yes that’s exactly it. He thinks we all have dull dry legal brains and will accept that “technically” they’re not in hotels any more. He’s like @bondegezou banging on about “they’re not really 4 star, they closed the indoor pool” - but even stupider
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,316
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Why do you think this is going to happen? Wouldn't be surprised if it does: nothing lasts forever, and London property prices have been going up since about 1981.
    Mass immigration plus technological change - we’re at a tipping point with both

    I reckon prices could plunge in a way we have never seen before. Total implosion
    Cheap housing for London. The Starmer Government couldn't be that lucky could they?

    All the Rachmanesque landlords will be f*****!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,340
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Surely not?

    BREAKING - Labour Government buying up dozens of asylum seeker hotels and will rebrand bedrooms as ‘privately rented residential accommodation’ (via @GuidoFawkes)

    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/1933200842280095844?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Why surely not? It is obvious that the government will do whatever it takes to enable them to claim they have solved the problem when it gets to the next election and the "we will not use hotels" doesn't pass the smell test given they are never going back to the barge type approaches and private landlords are getting hammered by the government for being a landlord. I think the problem for them is that with the internet just doing media rounds with the official narrative e.g. Blair approach doesn't work.
    This won’t work either. It will probably make things worse
    Yes but Lawyer mega-brain Starmer probably thinks I have got this one, TECHNICALLY, they aren't in hotels.....
    Yes that’s exactly it. He thinks we all have dull dry legal brains and will accept that “technically” they’re not in hotels any more. He’s like @bondegezou banging on about “they’re not really 4 star, they closed the indoor pool” - but even stupider
    He will give them all cars and call them motels. Job done
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,597
    edited June 12
    Anyone following the US Open Golf? No matter how hard I try I can't get interested in the game. Maybe that'll change one day.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/ce9vlg71979t
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,438
    edited June 12
    Andy_JS said:

    Anyone following the US Open Golf? No matter how hard I try I can't get interested in the game. Maybe that'll change one day.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/ce9vlg71979t

    Its a slow game which on TV it is difficult to appreciation how good they are and how difficult the courses are that they play. Have you tried watching the Masters, as that is special course and consistently produces incredibly exciting finishes. The course is so difficult that under pressure the tiniest mistake can lead to these see-saw series of events on who is leading.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,182

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Stamp Duty : Stamping Out House Sales
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7EwlRdinY

    Remember the days when it was just 1-2%.

    In particular, we really need oldies to move out of those big homes, but they have to find a big chunk of change now in cash to downsize. It seems a perverse incentive.
    That’s exactly why I am not moving out of my house to move to a flat
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,182
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Why do you think this is going to happen? Wouldn't be surprised if it does: nothing lasts forever, and London property prices have been going up since about 1981.
    Mass immigration plus technological change - we’re at a tipping point with both

    I reckon prices could plunge in a way we have never seen before. Total implosion
    2-3 years ago you wanted to buy all the houses along busy roads in London because electric cars were going to eliminate the noise discount
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,757

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Stamp Duty : Stamping Out House Sales
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7EwlRdinY

    Remember the days when it was just 1-2%.

    In particular, we really need oldies to move out of those big homes, but they have to find a big chunk of change now in cash to downsize. It seems a perverse incentive.
    That’s exactly why I am not moving out of my house to move to a flat
    Isn't stamp duty paid on the purchase rather than the sale?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,182

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Stamp Duty : Stamping Out House Sales
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7EwlRdinY

    Remember the days when it was just 1-2%.

    In particular, we really need oldies to move out of those big homes, but they have to find a big chunk of change now in cash to downsize. It seems a perverse incentive.
    That’s exactly why I am not moving out of my house to move to a flat
    Isn't stamp duty paid on the purchase rather than the sale?
    Yes. But I sell my house and buy a flat results in significant value leakage
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,597
    edited June 12
    "MID SUFFOLK DC; Haughley, Stowupland & Wetherden

    Green 901
    Con 444
    LD 61

    Green 64.1% (-12.7)
    Con 31.6% (+8.4)
    LD 4.3% (new)"

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/19389/council-elections-deferred-11th-12th?page=6
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,316
    edited June 12
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Why do you think this is going to happen? Wouldn't be surprised if it does: nothing lasts forever, and London property prices have been going up since about 1981.
    1990 or so was the last property crash.

    I bought my first flat in 1998. For the 1988 price.
    I was aware of 1990 but it was more of a blip in the long-term scheme of things in terms of London property prices.
    It was a blip lasting for a few years and mortgage rates went through the roof. At some point in the mid 90s I was on a circa 18% rate.

    Anyway back to 1989/90. My flat in Peterborough which had cost me circa £25k in 1983 went up to circa £45k at the peak. So I tried to sell it. It fell through at £38k and by the time I sold it it was worth £29k. So in reality it made not a bean.

    In Bradley Stoke near Bristol, negative equity became such a problem that the area was dubbed "Sadly Broke".
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Why do you think this is going to happen? Wouldn't be surprised if it does: nothing lasts forever, and London property prices have been going up since about 1981.
    Mass immigration plus technological change - we’re at a tipping point with both

    I reckon prices could plunge in a way we have never seen before. Total implosion
    2-3 years ago you wanted to buy all the houses along busy roads in London because electric cars were going to eliminate the noise discount
    That was quite a clever insight. But events have overtaken
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,340
    Andy_JS said:

    "MID SUFFOLK DC; Haughley, Stowupland & Wetherden

    Green 901
    Con 444
    LD 61

    Green 64.1% (-12.7)
    Con 31.6% (+8.4)
    LD 4.3% (new)"

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/19389/council-elections-deferred-11th-12th?page=6

    Rock solid Green ward. Taken in 2010 and held with up to 80% of the vote since. In the Waveney Valley Green seat. Tories will probably be quite satisfied with that, raw vote number up from 2023 on lower turnout
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,378
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Why do you think this is going to happen? Wouldn't be surprised if it does: nothing lasts forever, and London property prices have been going up since about 1981.
    Mass immigration plus technological change - we’re at a tipping point with both

    I reckon prices could plunge in a way we have never seen before. Total implosion
    2-3 years ago you wanted to buy all the houses along busy roads in London because electric cars were going to eliminate the noise discount
    That was quite a clever insight. But events have overtaken
    Not really. Most vehicle noise is wind/tyres rather than the engine.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,757

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Stamp Duty : Stamping Out House Sales
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7EwlRdinY

    Remember the days when it was just 1-2%.

    In particular, we really need oldies to move out of those big homes, but they have to find a big chunk of change now in cash to downsize. It seems a perverse incentive.
    That’s exactly why I am not moving out of my house to move to a flat
    Isn't stamp duty paid on the purchase rather than the sale?
    Yes. But I sell my house and buy a flat results in significant value leakage
    You're not buying something cheap enough. According the HMRC worked example, you pay 1.6% on £295000. Given that you have just realised a shitload of untaxed capital gain, surely that is fuck all
  • ohnotnow said:

    Personally, I think LLMs could be a great boon for people with the need for advice/therapy. But at the moment you are at the whim of the providers - todays 'chatgpt 4.15' is not tomorrows 'chatgpt 4.15'. And that can be a big problem.

    Run an LLM locally on your own hardware, then you have full control. A reasonable PC can do it quite well.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,438
    edited June 12

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Stamp Duty : Stamping Out House Sales
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7EwlRdinY

    Remember the days when it was just 1-2%.

    In particular, we really need oldies to move out of those big homes, but they have to find a big chunk of change now in cash to downsize. It seems a perverse incentive.
    That’s exactly why I am not moving out of my house to move to a flat
    Isn't stamp duty paid on the purchase rather than the sale?
    Yes. But I sell my house and buy a flat results in significant value leakage
    You're not buying something cheap enough. According the HMRC worked example, you pay 1.6% on £295000. Given that you have just realised a shitload of untaxed capital gain, surely that is fuck all
    Good luck getting something in the South that isn't in a shithole or a massive doer-uppers for that. In the SE, the average house price is over £450k.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,797
    theProle said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Why do you think this is going to happen? Wouldn't be surprised if it does: nothing lasts forever, and London property prices have been going up since about 1981.
    Mass immigration plus technological change - we’re at a tipping point with both

    I reckon prices could plunge in a way we have never seen before. Total implosion
    2-3 years ago you wanted to buy all the houses along busy roads in London because electric cars were going to eliminate the noise discount
    That was quite a clever insight. But events have overtaken
    Not really. Most vehicle noise is wind/tyres rather than the engine.
    No, also pollution. Disappears with e-cars
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,175
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    We need to take this seriously.

    “If Russia invades NATO allies, are you going to recommend to the President that we fulfil our Article 5 obligations?” — Democrats press SecDef Hegseth
    https://x.com/ralakbar/status/1933226330159800816

    The elephant in the room is that article 5 obligations are much weaker than most people think. It doesn’t mean that the US is obliged to go to war on behalf of a NATO member.
    Everyone is aware of that, which is why the question was asked.

    Are you being deliberately perverse ?
    You say everyone knows this, but Tulsi Gabbard does not.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,757

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Stamp Duty : Stamping Out House Sales
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7EwlRdinY

    Remember the days when it was just 1-2%.

    In particular, we really need oldies to move out of those big homes, but they have to find a big chunk of change now in cash to downsize. It seems a perverse incentive.
    That’s exactly why I am not moving out of my house to move to a flat
    Isn't stamp duty paid on the purchase rather than the sale?
    Yes. But I sell my house and buy a flat results in significant value leakage
    You're not buying something cheap enough. According the HMRC worked example, you pay 1.6% on £295000. Given that you have just realised a shitload of untaxed capital gain, surely that is fuck all
    Good luck getting something in the South that isn't in a shithole or a massive doer-uppers for that. In the SE, the average house price is over £450k.
    Plenty of flats for that. The whole point of downsizing is to release capital so you can spend it on enjoying yourself. Alternatively, move out of the South East. Why live somewhere expensive when you no longer need to work there?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,438
    edited June 12

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Stamp Duty : Stamping Out House Sales
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7EwlRdinY

    Remember the days when it was just 1-2%.

    In particular, we really need oldies to move out of those big homes, but they have to find a big chunk of change now in cash to downsize. It seems a perverse incentive.
    That’s exactly why I am not moving out of my house to move to a flat
    Isn't stamp duty paid on the purchase rather than the sale?
    Yes. But I sell my house and buy a flat results in significant value leakage
    You're not buying something cheap enough. According the HMRC worked example, you pay 1.6% on £295000. Given that you have just realised a shitload of untaxed capital gain, surely that is fuck all
    Good luck getting something in the South that isn't in a shithole or a massive doer-uppers for that. In the SE, the average house price is over £450k.
    Plenty of flats for that. The whole point of downsizing is to release capital so you can spend it on enjoying yourself. Alternatively, move out of the South East. Why live somewhere expensive when you no longer need to work there?
    The problem often for oldies is that often isn't an option. They are getting old, they increasingly will rely on some sort of support network of family and friends, they need access to GP / NHS and probably very ingrained into the system. They can't just uproot and move to the Outer Hebrides in order to pay buttons for a sheep herders cottage.

    Also you need properties to be on the market. High stamp duty just bungs up the system as everybody is having to find large amounts of cash to get the chain moving.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,438
    edited June 12
    Big Dom long form interview....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DTyGKZVNF8

    As often his claims the system of the government is broken, his solution was / is burn the whole system down.

    Two interesting claims, one is that the UK didn't take out various terrorists abroad because they got secret legal protection from the UK courts and that the Whitehall officials covered up the rape gangs, particularly the department of education and that is why they don't want an enquiry.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,597

    Big Dom long form interview....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DTyGKZVNF8

    As often his claims the system of the government is broken, his solution was / is burn the whole system down.

    Two interesting claims, one is that the UK didn't take out various terrorists abroad because they got secret legal protection from the UK courts and that the Whitehall officials covered up the rape gangs, particularly the department of education and that is why they don't want an enquiry.

    Interesting claims, he must have taken legal advice that it's okay to say these things without getting sued.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,438
    edited June 12
    Andy_JS said:

    Big Dom long form interview....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DTyGKZVNF8

    As often his claims the system of the government is broken, his solution was / is burn the whole system down.

    Two interesting claims, one is that the UK didn't take out various terrorists abroad because they got secret legal protection from the UK courts and that the Whitehall officials covered up the rape gangs, particularly the department of education and that is why they don't want an enquiry.

    Interesting claims, he must have taken legal advice that it's okay to say these things without getting sued.
    With Big Dom, you never know. His downfall is often he thinks he is the smartest man in the room and therefore he believes he can say such things.

    He also loves to drop these kind of explosive claims and watch the fall out. I wonder if people have worked out not to take the bait. I have seen him make very specific claims about named officials during COVID and the media / government have just ignored them as if he never said anything.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,288
    carnforth said:

    CatMan said:

    Leon said:

    Another win for the genius that is Starmer

    After “not getting anything on e-gates after all” it looks like the UK will also be excluded from the EU defence fund entirely. This is what he got in exchange for handing TWELVE YEARS of fishing UK waters to France

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/12/france-blocking-britain-from-eu-massive-defence-fund/

    He is impossibly bad at politics. A cretin

    For a lawyer is he as thick as shit or just doesn't care? Nobody in business would sign such a deal with only an guarantee to talk about being involved in something in the future i.e. it guarantees absolutely nothing.
    We haven’t signed a deal. We signed a heads of agreement and are now negotiating the deal.
    It's an example of how Brexit has made us weaker.
    We'll have to console ourselves with the tens of billions of pounds which would have been our net contribution to the EU's coronavirus fund. Much of which was not spent until well after the pandemic was over.
    I take the point, but I can't see how in an alternative universe where we were still in the EU, we would have been under any obligation to agree to that.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,182

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Stamp Duty : Stamping Out House Sales
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7EwlRdinY

    Remember the days when it was just 1-2%.

    In particular, we really need oldies to move out of those big homes, but they have to find a big chunk of change now in cash to downsize. It seems a perverse incentive.
    That’s exactly why I am not moving out of my house to move to a flat
    Isn't stamp duty paid on the purchase rather than the sale?
    Yes. But I sell my house and buy a flat results in significant value leakage
    You're not buying something cheap enough. According the HMRC worked example, you pay 1.6% on £295000. Given
    that you have just realised a shitload of untaxed capital gain, surely that is fuck all
    Why would I buy somewhere cheap rather than somewhere I want to live?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,305
    edited June 12

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Why do you think this is going to happen? Wouldn't be surprised if it does: nothing lasts forever, and London property prices have been going up since about 1981.
    Mass immigration plus technological change - we’re at a tipping point with both

    I reckon prices could plunge in a way we have never seen before. Total implosion
    Cheap housing for London. The Starmer Government couldn't be that lucky could they?

    All the Rachmanesque landlords will be f*****!
    They still exist. My Lettings agent had to have their national director phone up my landlord today to read him the riot act to replace my 22 year old combi gas boiler. It's not entirely broken, but can't keep pressure and needs constant babysitting. But it passed the safety check so he wouldn't pay.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,305
    CatMan said:

    carnforth said:

    CatMan said:

    Leon said:

    Another win for the genius that is Starmer

    After “not getting anything on e-gates after all” it looks like the UK will also be excluded from the EU defence fund entirely. This is what he got in exchange for handing TWELVE YEARS of fishing UK waters to France

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/12/france-blocking-britain-from-eu-massive-defence-fund/

    He is impossibly bad at politics. A cretin

    For a lawyer is he as thick as shit or just doesn't care? Nobody in business would sign such a deal with only an guarantee to talk about being involved in something in the future i.e. it guarantees absolutely nothing.
    We haven’t signed a deal. We signed a heads of agreement and are now negotiating the deal.
    It's an example of how Brexit has made us weaker.
    We'll have to console ourselves with the tens of billions of pounds which would have been our net contribution to the EU's coronavirus fund. Much of which was not spent until well after the pandemic was over.
    I take the point, but I can't see how in an alternative universe where we were still in the EU, we would have been under any obligation to agree to that.
    It's possible we could have opted out, and made them make it eurozone only. I'm not sure of the details admittedly. Even if we had a veto, I doubt we would have torpedoed the whole scheme.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,757

    Leon said:

    Just realised London property is about to crater

    Stamp Duty : Stamping Out House Sales
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7EwlRdinY

    Remember the days when it was just 1-2%.

    In particular, we really need oldies to move out of those big homes, but they have to find a big chunk of change now in cash to downsize. It seems a perverse incentive.
    That’s exactly why I am not moving out of my house to move to a flat
    Isn't stamp duty paid on the purchase rather than the sale?
    Yes. But I sell my house and buy a flat results in significant value leakage
    You're not buying something cheap enough. According the HMRC worked example, you pay 1.6% on £295000. Given
    that you have just realised a shitload of untaxed capital gain, surely that is fuck all
    Why would I buy somewhere cheap rather than somewhere I want to live?
    Well, if you can afford the lifestyle you want and to stay in a large expensive property, then there is probably little incentive to move. Although a smaller place is obviously going to be cheaper and easier to maintain and run.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,597
    edited June 12
    Leeds, Morley South

    RefUK 2119
    Morley Inds 1450
    LD 1009
    Lab 634
    Grn 313
    Con 230

    RefUK 36.82%
    Morley Inds 25.20%
    LD 17.53%
    Lab 11.02%
    Grn 5.44%
    Con 4.00%
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,151
    Andy_JS said:

    Nominative determinism.

    "Poundland sold for £1 with shops set to close"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36594lr29ko

    Was undercut by 99pWorld.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,597
    kle4 said:

    tpfkar said:

    Cicero said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 30% (-1)
    LAB: 24% (+2)
    CON: 16% (=)
    LDM: 13% (-2)
    GRN: 11% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
    Changes w/ 4 Jun.

    Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
    Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks

    6 pts down from the top dog party at this point in a parliament is OK for the gov't tbh. It's looking terminal for the Tories though. Annihilation awaits at the next GE if this carries on with Farage either PM or LOTO.
    The value bet would be Ed Davey as LOTO
    Id want to see them actually adding substantially to their 2024 polling before that would be remotely attractive. They are almost non existent in the Midlands, North and Wales, so I can't see the path to opposition as it stands
    If I squint, I can see how the Lib Dems get to 90 seats: hold what they have, get some inner city strongholds back (Cambridge, Bermondsey, Haringey, Cardiff Central) take the seats where they are close behind the Tories even if third ( Romsey, North Dorset, Hamble Valley, N Cotswolds, Hinckley etc)

    But I then look at how they get to 100, or 110, or 120, and I can't even imagine what the seats they'd need to win would be. Maybe look for a by-election to win and hold somewhere unexpected? If the Lib Dems can't break into areas they've had little strength in since ever, they aren't ever going to get to 100 seats. And I don't see anything in polling or local results that suggests that sort of breakthrough.

    So you'd need a complete landslide for Labour or Reform, to get the Lib Dems coming second. And that just doesn't ring true for the moment, with polarised and split voting all around.
    And they've got to hold on to the extremely efficient voting that got them 72 seats last time. I can see them losing a dozen seats even at 15% nationally. Unless Labour completely collapse they just won't have the 'numbers', and if it becomes a Reform Labour scrap or a tight Lab Con fight they will get squeezed
    This is the argument I've had with several Lib Demmers who proudly boast 'but, 72 MPs', and compare it with Reform's 5 off more votes. Leaving aside the principle of PR, I agree that if you're looking to maximise representation for a party in the mid-teens then the 2024 strategy worked fine (though still relies on tactical voting, which came a bit unstuck in the past in 2010, never mind 2015).

    But it also puts the sweet spot at about 72 MPs. The vote spread becomes increasingly inefficient thereafter as you go up, whereas although Reform hit breakthrough at a higher level, once they're there, the seats come flooding in. So the question is: what's the limit of your ambition. Do you see your ceiling as a largish third party or do you aspire to lead a government?

    On the other hand, the Lib Dems are being quite distinct from all the other three parties at the moment. unfortunately, they're not getting as much media coverage as they should be - particularly with something to say that the others aren't, whether on social care or Trump, Europe and foreign affairs. The comms team needs to be knocking harder on media doors.
    The LDs won pretty much all their target seats, that will be very hard to replicate. I'm sure they are trying as ever to get attention, but political commentators and the news just doesn't find them interesting enough I think.
    One of the easiest predictions to make for the next GE is that the LDs will hold most of their current seats. There might be a small number that are vulnerable to RefUK but not many.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,175
    Andy_JS said:

    Big Dom long form interview....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DTyGKZVNF8

    As often his claims the system of the government is broken, his solution was / is burn the whole system down.

    Two interesting claims, one is that the UK didn't take out various terrorists abroad because they got secret legal protection from the UK courts and that the Whitehall officials covered up the rape gangs, particularly the department of education and that is why they don't want an enquiry.

    Interesting claims, he must have taken legal advice that it's okay to say these things without getting sued.
    Oh, he's very careful not to say things about specific people. One can say whatever one likes about the government, but you can defame only specific people.
  • Leon said:

    No, also pollution. Disappears with e-cars

    No, there's still pollution in the form of particulates from tyres and brakes. It's not as much a hazard as the exhaust from ICE cars, but it's there and is actually worse on electric cars due to their heavier weight.

    To cut pollution we need cars to be smaller, lighter and fewer in number, not just moving to electric powertrains.
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