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  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,515
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I think Bibi is too much of a chickenhawk to actually take on Iran. Posture but no follow through.

    I hope I'm wrong.

    Bibi is like Big Brother. He needs the war to continue, because it creates the weird national psyche that keeps him in office and out of prison.
    Which is why I don't think he'll hit Iran.

    Knock out Iran and peace in the Middle East becomes a lot more viable, and Israel's enemies lose their primary state sponsor.

    Keep Iran there, there's an ever-present enemy to hate.
    That does actually make some sense, but the problem is that you can't knock out Iran easily, as he will well know. The regime has built in all sorts of preparations for attacks like this, over many, many years.

    So instead, it's more likely that you get a wider war.
    The reason Israel are trying to persuade anyone who'll listen to attack iraq is because it's the one country in the area that israel can't subjugate. The only reason they probably don't have nuclear weapons is because the Ayatollah decared them unislamic in that their destructive force is indiscriminate. Israel have no such qualms
    Iraq=Iran.
    A country with a vile regime overthrown with intervention and a western war?

    Yes, hopefully.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,956
    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    We can't have a PM called Darren.
    We had one called Liz. :)

    It was Dorian in "Birds of a Feather" who pointed out you should never give a child a name if you couldn't see a monarch with that name. So George yes, but Wayne no.
    That must explain why I'm a variation on Cnut.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,522
    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    We can't have a PM called Darren.
    We had one called Liz. :)

    It was Dorian in "Birds of a Feather" who pointed out you should never give a child a name if you couldn't see a monarch with that name. So George yes, but Wayne no.
    I've always thought you should give a child a name they can make their own. Charlotte - Lotty, Charlie, Cherry, ... whatever.
    That's why we went with: Boy One, Girl One, Girl Two.

    Lots of options for personalisation there.
    There were a pair of brothers in Fife when I worked there who were genuinely called Seth 1 and Seth 2. I fear that there was even more inbreeding in the family than is typical in Fife and to be honest they would have struggled to make a shilling between them, let alone 1 each. They got involved in low level offending of such mind blowing stupidity that it was hard not to laugh, at least if you were not on the receiving end. They weren't a great advert for that sort of naming.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,504
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I think Bibi is too much of a chickenhawk to actually take on Iran. Posture but no follow through.

    I hope I'm wrong.

    Bibi is like Big Brother. He needs the war to continue, because it creates the weird national psyche that keeps him in office and out of prison.
    Which is why I don't think he'll hit Iran.

    Knock out Iran and peace in the Middle East becomes a lot more viable, and Israel's enemies lose their primary state sponsor.

    Keep Iran there, there's an ever-present enemy to hate.
    That does actually make some sense, but the problem is that you can't knock out Iran easily, as he will well know. The regime has built in all sorts of preparations for attacks like this, over many, many years.

    So instead, it's more likely that you get a wider war.
    The reason Israel are trying to persuade anyone who'll listen to attack iraq is because it's the one country in the area that israel can't subjugate. The only reason they probably don't have nuclear weapons is because the Ayatollah decared them unislamic in that their destructive force is indiscriminate. Israel have no such qualms
    Iraq=Iran.
    "All these Middle East countries look the same to me"
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,896
    DavidL said:

    Swinney has worked hard at being boring. He has a natural talent for it. Most of the lunacies that infected the government when they were in hock to the Green nutters have been quietly forgotten or dropped. But there has been nothing to replace it. No ideas, no vision, no inspiration, nothing.

    And no attempt to address Scotland's multiple problems: an overly large and overly comfortable public sector drawing too much of the available wealth and income to itself. An NHS that is simply not keeping up with rising demand. An education system that is in absolute meltdown. A very serious lack of entrepreneurial drive or ambition. Scots would rather regulate something than do it. There is no viable route to independence in such circumstances and enough of the population know that to make it vanishingly unlikely we will even be asked.

    He gets credit for steadying the SNP ship after 'a few' wobbles. But... I don't know. Maybe they hoped they could coast through on 'It's us or Reform' through to 2026 Holyrood elections. But it really doesn't feel like the public are in a 'steady as she goes ✅' voting mood.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,278
    edited June 11
    algarkirk said:

    Roger said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    One to watch maybe, but not next leader. That's Angela's job.
    How do you think she'd get on with say Trump or Macron?
    I think you can safely say that if Angela were in a press conference with Trump in the Oval office we would all, with the entire nation, be watching live. Pure gold.
    She used to be a carer, she'll be fine.She has experience in changing diapers and a Foley catheter.

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/us-news/donald-trump-health-fears-surge-35370147
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,294
    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    We can't have a PM called Darren.
    We had one called Liz. :)

    It was Dorian in "Birds of a Feather" who pointed out you should never give a child a name if you couldn't see a monarch with that name. So George yes, but Wayne no.
    I've always thought you should give a child a name they can make their own. Charlotte - Lotty, Charlie, Cherry, ... whatever.
    That's why we went with: Boy One, Girl One, Girl Two.

    Lots of options for personalisation there.
    I always thought it would be bad for them to name them 'Faulty Condom'.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,186
    Nice detail at the end of this vox pop article.

    Spending review fails to impress former Labour supporters in West Yorkshire town

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/11/spending-review-fails-to-impress-former-labour-supporters-in-west-yorkshire-town
    ..Tilly, a former Labour supporter who voted Lib Dem at the most recent general election, wanted to see a party on the left learn lessons from Nigel Farage’s Reform.

    “What is it that Farage is doing for the right? We need a rebrand of the Greens or the Lib Dems.”
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,733

    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    A glorious evening here in the Reform heartland of Amber Valley. Drove through last week’s by-election town of Somercotes which Reform of course won. Talking to some of the locals, I’m beginning to get more of an insight about why Reform are doing so well. It’s not about immigration, it’s far more complex and nuanced.

    Belper is an interesting place - it's a market town of 20k which has done relatively well, but had a very diverse industrial base up until say 1990-2000-ish when a lot gradually closed down. It gave the world Swarfega.

    It is blessed because there are not many larger places too close by so it has a decent hinterland, and it has almost a White Peak feel whilst being closer to Derby than say Matlock. It's a nice place for bringing up families or early retirement - not very touristy but much of the future is tourism, around the World Heritage Site and the Derwent..

    It is less gritty than Bolsover or Ripley or Heanor, and was always a happy hunting ground for Homes Under the Hammer. I suspect there are decent numbers of incomers, who may be more at cricket matches alongside long-term people.

    For politics, I'd perhaps expect nostalgia amongst some, and an attitude to Reform that would be based on "the others have not helped us enough here". And perhaps some resentment of "city Labour". The architecture is quite Peak District - stone not brick iirc in the older parts.

    And there's a fun railway through the middle completely hidden in a cutting.
    https://maps.app.goo.gl/5skq66eopYTZkjhGA
    Am I right in thinking that Matlock is not a particularly friendly sort of place? I have some dim memories of it from a school trip, about 45 years ago.

    It may be perfectly nice or improved since then, ofcourse
    Matlock is incomparably different to when I knew it well in the 1990s; the new road through Cawdor Quarry has massively improved traffic. And traffic was always a major problem in the town centre. I've strolled around a few times since the new road opened, and it all feels a bit more open. And I'm pleased to see Twigg is still open.

    But it's also really different to Matlock Bath, a mile or so down the road. Of the two, I much prefer Matlock, despite its lack of cable car and touristy tat.

    (My family apparently built Smedley's Hydro on the hill in Matlock; when they closed down the family business a few decades back, they found detailed plans of it.)
    Are you related to William Jessop or similar? "Josias" - if not a pseudonym - could be quite "trad Derbyshire".

    Matlock has Derbyshire County Council HQ which helps, and is in its way quite arty. It also has one end of a heritage railway, and Matlock Bath has a famous lights display at Christmas - a Derbyshire version of Walsall. Twenty or thirty years ago parts of it felt quite 1950s. That was in the former Smedley Hydro, which is now the General Register Office for England and Wales - a decent anchor for a small town of 20k.

    Matlock is one place I know where a lot of vicars seem to retire - another being Newark. That means decent shops, OK arts and intellectual life, and reasonable-ish property prices.

    The only open hostility I have been aware of are that Matlock Bath is huge amongst bikers, who can look scary and probably are not, and a bloke who used to lean over the wall of his garden centre by the river at kayakers shooting the rapids and shake his fist at them; the experience is modestly legendary in canoeing circles.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,176
    Nigelb said:

    Nice detail at the end of this vox pop article.

    Spending review fails to impress former Labour supporters in West Yorkshire town

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/11/spending-review-fails-to-impress-former-labour-supporters-in-west-yorkshire-town
    ..Tilly, a former Labour supporter who voted Lib Dem at the most recent general election, wanted to see a party on the left learn lessons from Nigel Farage’s Reform.

    “What is it that Farage is doing for the right? We need a rebrand of the Greens or the Lib Dems.”

    She's actually very right. The US left need a Trump-inspired rebrand focused on the power of the Spectacle, too.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,896
    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    We can't have a PM called Darren.
    We had one called Liz. :)

    It was Dorian in "Birds of a Feather" who pointed out you should never give a child a name if you couldn't see a monarch with that name. So George yes, but Wayne no.
    I've always thought you should give a child a name they can make their own. Charlotte - Lotty, Charlie, Cherry, ... whatever.
    That's why we went with: Boy One, Girl One, Girl Two.

    Lots of options for personalisation there.
    I used to have an IT manager who wanted all our kit to be called things like 'server-1', 'server-2'. Used to drive him mad that they we would name thing things like 'servalan' (serve a LAN - 100% not a Blakes 7 thing...).

    Eventually persuaded him that calling a server 'west' was fine as it was in our 'western' building. Then proceeded to take the p*ss with 'up', 'totheleft', 'overthere'...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,294
    ohnotnow said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    We can't have a PM called Darren.
    We had one called Liz. :)

    It was Dorian in "Birds of a Feather" who pointed out you should never give a child a name if you couldn't see a monarch with that name. So George yes, but Wayne no.
    I've always thought you should give a child a name they can make their own. Charlotte - Lotty, Charlie, Cherry, ... whatever.
    That's why we went with: Boy One, Girl One, Girl Two.

    Lots of options for personalisation there.
    I used to have an IT manager who wanted all our kit to be called things like 'server-1', 'server-2'. Used to drive him mad that they we would name thing things like 'servalan' (serve a LAN - 100% not a Blakes 7 thing...).

    Eventually persuaded him that calling a server 'west' was fine as it was in our 'western' building. Then proceeded to take the p*ss with 'up', 'totheleft', 'overthere'...
    I've always like the servers/networks called 'WAN Core'.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,155

    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    We can't have a PM called Darren.
    We had one called Liz. :)

    It was Dorian in "Birds of a Feather" who pointed out you should never give a child a name if you couldn't see a monarch with that name. So George yes, but Wayne no.
    I've always thought you should give a child a name they can make their own. Charlotte - Lotty, Charlie, Cherry, ... whatever.
    That's why we went with: Boy One, Girl One, Girl Two.

    Lots of options for personalisation there.
    I always thought it would be bad for them to name them 'Faulty Condom'.
    Could be worse, could be "She told me she was on the pill".
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,294
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    We can't have a PM called Darren.
    We had one called Liz. :)

    It was Dorian in "Birds of a Feather" who pointed out you should never give a child a name if you couldn't see a monarch with that name. So George yes, but Wayne no.
    I've always thought you should give a child a name they can make their own. Charlotte - Lotty, Charlie, Cherry, ... whatever.
    That's why we went with: Boy One, Girl One, Girl Two.

    Lots of options for personalisation there.
    I always thought it would be bad for them to name them 'Faulty Condom'.
    Could be worse, could be "She told me she was on the pill".
    I wasn't allowed to buy this.


  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,522
    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    Swinney has worked hard at being boring. He has a natural talent for it. Most of the lunacies that infected the government when they were in hock to the Green nutters have been quietly forgotten or dropped. But there has been nothing to replace it. No ideas, no vision, no inspiration, nothing.

    And no attempt to address Scotland's multiple problems: an overly large and overly comfortable public sector drawing too much of the available wealth and income to itself. An NHS that is simply not keeping up with rising demand. An education system that is in absolute meltdown. A very serious lack of entrepreneurial drive or ambition. Scots would rather regulate something than do it. There is no viable route to independence in such circumstances and enough of the population know that to make it vanishingly unlikely we will even be asked.

    He gets credit for steadying the SNP ship after 'a few' wobbles. But... I don't know. Maybe they hoped they could coast through on 'It's us or Reform' through to 2026 Holyrood elections. But it really doesn't feel like the public are in a 'steady as she goes ✅' voting mood.
    Yep, we want the impossible, we want it now and we want someone else to pay for it seems the general sense. It's not an overly constructive position.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,733
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    A glorious evening here in the Reform heartland of Amber Valley. Drove through last week’s by-election town of Somercotes which Reform of course won. Talking to some of the locals, I’m beginning to get more of an insight about why Reform are doing so well. It’s not about immigration, it’s far more complex and nuanced.

    Belper is an interesting place - it's a market town of 20k which has done relatively well, but had a very diverse industrial base up until say 1990-2000-ish when a lot gradually closed down. It gave the world Swarfega.

    It is blessed because there are not many larger places too close by so it has a decent hinterland, and it has almost a White Peak feel whilst being closer to Derby than say Matlock. It's a nice place for bringing up families or early retirement - not very touristy but much of the future is tourism, around the World Heritage Site and the Derwent..

    It is less gritty than Bolsover or Ripley or Heanor, and was always a happy hunting ground for Homes Under the Hammer. I suspect there are decent numbers of incomers, who may be more at cricket matches alongside long-term people.

    For politics, I'd perhaps expect nostalgia amongst some, and an attitude to Reform that would be based on "the others have not helped us enough here". And perhaps some resentment of "city Labour". The architecture is quite Peak District - stone not brick iirc in the older parts.

    And there's a fun railway through the middle completely hidden in a cutting.
    https://maps.app.goo.gl/5skq66eopYTZkjhGA
    Am I right in thinking that Matlock is not a particularly friendly sort of place? I have some dim memories of it from a school trip, about 45 years ago.

    It may be perfectly nice or improved since then, ofcourse
    Matlock is incomparably different to when I knew it well in the 1990s; the new road through Cawdor Quarry has massively improved traffic. And traffic was always a major problem in the town centre. I've strolled around a few times since the new road opened, and it all feels a bit more open. And I'm pleased to see Twigg is still open.

    But it's also really different to Matlock Bath, a mile or so down the road. Of the two, I much prefer Matlock, despite its lack of cable car and touristy tat.

    (My family apparently built Smedley's Hydro on the hill in Matlock; when they closed down the family business a few decades back, they found detailed plans of it.)
    Are you related to William Jessop or similar? "Josias" - if not a pseudonym - could be quite "trad Derbyshire".

    Matlock has Derbyshire County Council HQ which helps, and is in its way quite arty. It also has one end of a heritage railway, and Matlock Bath has a famous lights display at Christmas - a Derbyshire version of Walsall. Twenty or thirty years ago parts of it felt quite 1950s. That was in the former Smedley Hydro, which is now the General Register Office for England and Wales - a decent anchor for a small town of 20k.

    Matlock is one place I know where a lot of vicars seem to retire - another being Newark. That means decent shops, OK arts and intellectual life, and reasonable-ish property prices.

    The only open hostility I have been aware of are that Matlock Bath is huge amongst bikers, who can look scary and probably are not, and a bloke who used to lean over the wall of his garden centre by the river at kayakers shooting the rapids and shake his fist at them; the experience is modestly legendary in canoeing circles.
    If you go via Matlock, visit the chocolate shop and Scarthin's bookshop in Cromford. It's worth it for the vintage MG, and the chocolates.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,504
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    A glorious evening here in the Reform heartland of Amber Valley. Drove through last week’s by-election town of Somercotes which Reform of course won. Talking to some of the locals, I’m beginning to get more of an insight about why Reform are doing so well. It’s not about immigration, it’s far more complex and nuanced.

    Belper is an interesting place - it's a market town of 20k which has done relatively well, but had a very diverse industrial base up until say 1990-2000-ish when a lot gradually closed down. It gave the world Swarfega.

    It is blessed because there are not many larger places too close by so it has a decent hinterland, and it has almost a White Peak feel whilst being closer to Derby than say Matlock. It's a nice place for bringing up families or early retirement - not very touristy but much of the future is tourism, around the World Heritage Site and the Derwent..

    It is less gritty than Bolsover or Ripley or Heanor, and was always a happy hunting ground for Homes Under the Hammer. I suspect there are decent numbers of incomers, who may be more at cricket matches alongside long-term people.

    For politics, I'd perhaps expect nostalgia amongst some, and an attitude to Reform that would be based on "the others have not helped us enough here". And perhaps some resentment of "city Labour". The architecture is quite Peak District - stone not brick iirc in the older parts.

    And there's a fun railway through the middle completely hidden in a cutting.
    https://maps.app.goo.gl/5skq66eopYTZkjhGA
    Am I right in thinking that Matlock is not a particularly friendly sort of place? I have some dim memories of it from a school trip, about 45 years ago.

    It may be perfectly nice or improved since then, ofcourse
    Matlock is incomparably different to when I knew it well in the 1990s; the new road through Cawdor Quarry has massively improved traffic. And traffic was always a major problem in the town centre. I've strolled around a few times since the new road opened, and it all feels a bit more open. And I'm pleased to see Twigg is still open.

    But it's also really different to Matlock Bath, a mile or so down the road. Of the two, I much prefer Matlock, despite its lack of cable car and touristy tat.

    (My family apparently built Smedley's Hydro on the hill in Matlock; when they closed down the family business a few decades back, they found detailed plans of it.)
    Are you related to William Jessop or similar? "Josias" - if not a pseudonym - could be quite "trad Derbyshire".

    Matlock has Derbyshire County Council HQ which helps, and is in its way quite arty. It also has one end of a heritage railway, and Matlock Bath has a famous lights display at Christmas - a Derbyshire version of Walsall. Twenty or thirty years ago parts of it felt quite 1950s. That was in the former Smedley Hydro, which is now the General Register Office for England and Wales - a decent anchor for a small town of 20k.

    Matlock is one place I know where a lot of vicars seem to retire - another being Newark. That means decent shops, OK arts and intellectual life, and reasonable-ish property prices.

    The only open hostility I have been aware of are that Matlock Bath is huge amongst bikers, who can look scary and probably are not, and a bloke who used to lean over the wall of his garden centre by the river at kayakers shooting the rapids and shake his fist at them; the experience is modestly legendary in canoeing circles.
    If you go via Matlock, visit the chocolate shop and Scarthin's bookshop in Cromford. It's worth it for the vintage MG, and the chocolates.
    I did the Peak Railway! But a while back, in 2016.
  • MattW said:

    Colby, the Def Sec, is a harder line "China not Europe" man, and perhaps an outrider for Trump. I don't see how canning AUKUS would help his China stance - since that is what a lot of Oz having SSNs is about. For an isolationist, it could be one answer to the USA being not very effective at building its own submarines other than very, very slowly.

    I don't think Trump will cancel AUKUS, but the planned sale of Virginia class SSNs to Australia may be for the axe. That was always going to be problematic with, as you say, the US now being so damn slow at building submarines the USN is now desperate for new boats.

    If that's the case I suspect the solution will be for the UK to sell a couple of its Astutes to Australia, and then accelerate the SSN-AUKUS program as much as feasible. That may mean doing more work in the UK than planned and expanding Barrow so the AUKUS hulls can be built while the Dreadnoughts are still in progress.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,515
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    We can't have a PM called Darren.
    We had one called Liz. :)

    It was Dorian in "Birds of a Feather" who pointed out you should never give a child a name if you couldn't see a monarch with that name. So George yes, but Wayne no.
    I've always thought you should give a child a name they can make their own. Charlotte - Lotty, Charlie, Cherry, ... whatever.
    That's why we went with: Boy One, Girl One, Girl Two.

    Lots of options for personalisation there.
    I always thought it would be bad for them to name them 'Faulty Condom'.
    Could be worse, could be "She told me she was on the pill".
    I always hated the trend of naming kids after where they were conceived.

    Poor little Greggs Car Park never had a chance in life.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,805
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    A glorious evening here in the Reform heartland of Amber Valley. Drove through last week’s by-election town of Somercotes which Reform of course won. Talking to some of the locals, I’m beginning to get more of an insight about why Reform are doing so well. It’s not about immigration, it’s far more complex and nuanced.

    Belper is an interesting place - it's a market town of 20k which has done relatively well, but had a very diverse industrial base up until say 1990-2000-ish when a lot gradually closed down. It gave the world Swarfega.

    It is blessed because there are not many larger places too close by so it has a decent hinterland, and it has almost a White Peak feel whilst being closer to Derby than say Matlock. It's a nice place for bringing up families or early retirement - not very touristy but much of the future is tourism, around the World Heritage Site and the Derwent..

    It is less gritty than Bolsover or Ripley or Heanor, and was always a happy hunting ground for Homes Under the Hammer. I suspect there are decent numbers of incomers, who may be more at cricket matches alongside long-term people.

    For politics, I'd perhaps expect nostalgia amongst some, and an attitude to Reform that would be based on "the others have not helped us enough here". And perhaps some resentment of "city Labour". The architecture is quite Peak District - stone not brick iirc in the older parts.

    And there's a fun railway through the middle completely hidden in a cutting.
    https://maps.app.goo.gl/5skq66eopYTZkjhGA
    Am I right in thinking that Matlock is not a particularly friendly sort of place? I have some dim memories of it from a school trip, about 45 years ago.

    It may be perfectly nice or improved since then, ofcourse
    Matlock is incomparably different to when I knew it well in the 1990s; the new road through Cawdor Quarry has massively improved traffic. And traffic was always a major problem in the town centre. I've strolled around a few times since the new road opened, and it all feels a bit more open. And I'm pleased to see Twigg is still open.

    But it's also really different to Matlock Bath, a mile or so down the road. Of the two, I much prefer Matlock, despite its lack of cable car and touristy tat.

    (My family apparently built Smedley's Hydro on the hill in Matlock; when they closed down the family business a few decades back, they found detailed plans of it.)
    Are you related to William Jessop or similar? "Josias" - if not a pseudonym - could be quite "trad Derbyshire".

    Matlock has Derbyshire County Council HQ which helps, and is in its way quite arty. It also has one end of a heritage railway, and Matlock Bath has a famous lights display at Christmas - a Derbyshire version of Walsall. Twenty or thirty years ago parts of it felt quite 1950s. That was in the former Smedley Hydro, which is now the General Register Office for England and Wales - a decent anchor for a small town of 20k.

    Matlock is one place I know where a lot of vicars seem to retire - another being Newark. That means decent shops, OK arts and intellectual life, and reasonable-ish property prices.

    The only open hostility I have been aware of are that Matlock Bath is huge amongst bikers, who can look scary and probably are not, and a bloke who used to lean over the wall of his garden centre by the river at kayakers shooting the rapids and shake his fist at them; the experience is modestly legendary in canoeing circles.
    My name on here is a pseudonym. I was reading a biography of one of the Jessop clan when I joined PB back in about 2010. I decided Josias Jessop was more interesting than William Jessop, so picked the grandfather/son's name (the clan went Josias Jessop; William Jessop, Josias Jessop. All three of whom were engineers in one way or another. I've always thought it sad that the grandson died in 1828 aged 45, just at the start of the railway age. He was working on the Cromford and High Peak when he died. That railway perfectly captures the move from canal to railway, incorporating features of both.)
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,298

    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    We can't have a PM called Darren.
    We had one called Liz. :)

    It was Dorian in "Birds of a Feather" who pointed out you should never give a child a name if you couldn't see a monarch with that name. So George yes, but Wayne no.
    I've always thought you should give a child a name they can make their own. Charlotte - Lotty, Charlie, Cherry, ... whatever.
    That's why we went with: Boy One, Girl One, Girl Two.

    Lots of options for personalisation there.
    I always thought it would be bad for them to name them 'Faulty Condom'.
    Not a bad double-barrelled surname, that.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,515
    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    Swinney has worked hard at being boring. He has a natural talent for it. Most of the lunacies that infected the government when they were in hock to the Green nutters have been quietly forgotten or dropped. But there has been nothing to replace it. No ideas, no vision, no inspiration, nothing.

    And no attempt to address Scotland's multiple problems: an overly large and overly comfortable public sector drawing too much of the available wealth and income to itself. An NHS that is simply not keeping up with rising demand. An education system that is in absolute meltdown. A very serious lack of entrepreneurial drive or ambition. Scots would rather regulate something than do it. There is no viable route to independence in such circumstances and enough of the population know that to make it vanishingly unlikely we will even be asked.

    He gets credit for steadying the SNP ship after 'a few' wobbles. But... I don't know. Maybe they hoped they could coast through on 'It's us or Reform' through to 2026 Holyrood elections. But it really doesn't feel like the public are in a 'steady as she goes ✅' voting mood.
    The problem the SNP have versus Reform is that the SNP have become popular on a general "hate all the politicians, vote none of the above" mandate.

    Now Reform have come along as a newer none of the above.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,176
    I don't think any names will ever be worse than Moon Unit and Dweezil Zappa.

    What a self absorbed talent, Zappa։
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,733

    MattW said:

    Colby, the Def Sec, is a harder line "China not Europe" man, and perhaps an outrider for Trump. I don't see how canning AUKUS would help his China stance - since that is what a lot of Oz having SSNs is about. For an isolationist, it could be one answer to the USA being not very effective at building its own submarines other than very, very slowly.

    I don't think Trump will cancel AUKUS, but the planned sale of Virginia class SSNs to Australia may be for the axe. That was always going to be problematic with, as you say, the US now being so damn slow at building submarines the USN is now desperate for new boats.

    If that's the case I suspect the solution will be for the UK to sell a couple of its Astutes to Australia, and then accelerate the SSN-AUKUS program as much as feasible. That may mean doing more work in the UK than planned and expanding Barrow so the AUKUS hulls can be built while the Dreadnoughts are still in progress.
    I wonder if there is increased throughput capacity available?

    The first Virginia was due in 2032, so I'm not sure how that would fit in with our new programmes. HMS Astute's nominal 25 year service life ends in 2035.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,504
    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    We can't have a PM called Darren.
    We had one called Liz. :)

    It was Dorian in "Birds of a Feather" who pointed out you should never give a child a name if you couldn't see a monarch with that name. So George yes, but Wayne no.
    I've always thought you should give a child a name they can make their own. Charlotte - Lotty, Charlie, Cherry, ... whatever.
    That's why we went with: Boy One, Girl One, Girl Two.

    Lots of options for personalisation there.
    I always thought it would be bad for them to name them 'Faulty Condom'.
    Not a bad double-barrelled surname, that.
    Basil Faulty-Condom?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,678
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    A glorious evening here in the Reform heartland of Amber Valley. Drove through last week’s by-election town of Somercotes which Reform of course won. Talking to some of the locals, I’m beginning to get more of an insight about why Reform are doing so well. It’s not about immigration, it’s far more complex and nuanced.

    Belper is an interesting place - it's a market town of 20k which has done relatively well, but had a very diverse industrial base up until say 1990-2000-ish when a lot gradually closed down. It gave the world Swarfega.

    It is blessed because there are not many larger places too close by so it has a decent hinterland, and it has almost a White Peak feel whilst being closer to Derby than say Matlock. It's a nice place for bringing up families or early retirement - not very touristy but much of the future is tourism, around the World Heritage Site and the Derwent..

    It is less gritty than Bolsover or Ripley or Heanor, and was always a happy hunting ground for Homes Under the Hammer. I suspect there are decent numbers of incomers, who may be more at cricket matches alongside long-term people.

    For politics, I'd perhaps expect nostalgia amongst some, and an attitude to Reform that would be based on "the others have not helped us enough here". And perhaps some resentment of "city Labour". The architecture is quite Peak District - stone not brick iirc in the older parts.

    And there's a fun railway through the middle completely hidden in a cutting.
    https://maps.app.goo.gl/5skq66eopYTZkjhGA
    Am I right in thinking that Matlock is not a particularly friendly sort of place? I have some dim memories of it from a school trip, about 45 years ago.

    It may be perfectly nice or improved since then, ofcourse
    Matlock is incomparably different to when I knew it well in the 1990s; the new road through Cawdor Quarry has massively improved traffic. And traffic was always a major problem in the town centre. I've strolled around a few times since the new road opened, and it all feels a bit more open. And I'm pleased to see Twigg is still open.

    But it's also really different to Matlock Bath, a mile or so down the road. Of the two, I much prefer Matlock, despite its lack of cable car and touristy tat.

    (My family apparently built Smedley's Hydro on the hill in Matlock; when they closed down the family business a few decades back, they found detailed plans of it.)
    Are you related to William Jessop or similar? "Josias" - if not a pseudonym - could be quite "trad Derbyshire".

    Matlock has Derbyshire County Council HQ which helps, and is in its way quite arty. It also has one end of a heritage railway, and Matlock Bath has a famous lights display at Christmas - a Derbyshire version of Walsall. Twenty or thirty years ago parts of it felt quite 1950s. That was in the former Smedley Hydro, which is now the General Register Office for England and Wales - a decent anchor for a small town of 20k.

    Matlock is one place I know where a lot of vicars seem to retire - another being Newark. That means decent shops, OK arts and intellectual life, and reasonable-ish property prices.

    The only open hostility I have been aware of are that Matlock Bath is huge amongst bikers, who can look scary and probably are not, and a bloke who used to lean over the wall of his garden centre by the river at kayakers shooting the rapids and shake his fist at them; the experience is modestly legendary in canoeing circles.
    If you go via Matlock, visit the chocolate shop and Scarthin's bookshop in Cromford. It's worth it for the vintage MG, and the chocolates.
    Scarthin’s is an experience to say the least.

    I like Belper and as others have said in-comers with income have made a big difference. There’s three of four decent places to eat - my personal favourite is The Bookcafe opposite Morrisons.

    Ambergate has one top notch eatery during the week and three at the weekends. The Indian is excellent but charges London prices. There’s a curious juxtaposition between the old and the new across Amber Valley and from a politics standpoint both groups have been drawn to Reform though perhaps for different reasons.

    Defeat for the locals in the cricket - they came up four runs short chasing 122. At 106-6 with 12 balls left, they had a sniff but kept losing wickets.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,733

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    A glorious evening here in the Reform heartland of Amber Valley. Drove through last week’s by-election town of Somercotes which Reform of course won. Talking to some of the locals, I’m beginning to get more of an insight about why Reform are doing so well. It’s not about immigration, it’s far more complex and nuanced.

    Belper is an interesting place - it's a market town of 20k which has done relatively well, but had a very diverse industrial base up until say 1990-2000-ish when a lot gradually closed down. It gave the world Swarfega.

    It is blessed because there are not many larger places too close by so it has a decent hinterland, and it has almost a White Peak feel whilst being closer to Derby than say Matlock. It's a nice place for bringing up families or early retirement - not very touristy but much of the future is tourism, around the World Heritage Site and the Derwent..

    It is less gritty than Bolsover or Ripley or Heanor, and was always a happy hunting ground for Homes Under the Hammer. I suspect there are decent numbers of incomers, who may be more at cricket matches alongside long-term people.

    For politics, I'd perhaps expect nostalgia amongst some, and an attitude to Reform that would be based on "the others have not helped us enough here". And perhaps some resentment of "city Labour". The architecture is quite Peak District - stone not brick iirc in the older parts.

    And there's a fun railway through the middle completely hidden in a cutting.
    https://maps.app.goo.gl/5skq66eopYTZkjhGA
    Am I right in thinking that Matlock is not a particularly friendly sort of place? I have some dim memories of it from a school trip, about 45 years ago.

    It may be perfectly nice or improved since then, ofcourse
    Matlock is incomparably different to when I knew it well in the 1990s; the new road through Cawdor Quarry has massively improved traffic. And traffic was always a major problem in the town centre. I've strolled around a few times since the new road opened, and it all feels a bit more open. And I'm pleased to see Twigg is still open.

    But it's also really different to Matlock Bath, a mile or so down the road. Of the two, I much prefer Matlock, despite its lack of cable car and touristy tat.

    (My family apparently built Smedley's Hydro on the hill in Matlock; when they closed down the family business a few decades back, they found detailed plans of it.)
    Are you related to William Jessop or similar? "Josias" - if not a pseudonym - could be quite "trad Derbyshire".

    Matlock has Derbyshire County Council HQ which helps, and is in its way quite arty. It also has one end of a heritage railway, and Matlock Bath has a famous lights display at Christmas - a Derbyshire version of Walsall. Twenty or thirty years ago parts of it felt quite 1950s. That was in the former Smedley Hydro, which is now the General Register Office for England and Wales - a decent anchor for a small town of 20k.

    Matlock is one place I know where a lot of vicars seem to retire - another being Newark. That means decent shops, OK arts and intellectual life, and reasonable-ish property prices.

    The only open hostility I have been aware of are that Matlock Bath is huge amongst bikers, who can look scary and probably are not, and a bloke who used to lean over the wall of his garden centre by the river at kayakers shooting the rapids and shake his fist at them; the experience is modestly legendary in canoeing circles.
    My name on here is a pseudonym. I was reading a biography of one of the Jessop clan when I joined PB back in about 2010. I decided Josias Jessop was more interesting than William Jessop, so picked the grandfather/son's name (the clan went Josias Jessop; William Jessop, Josias Jessop. All three of whom were engineers in one way or another. I've always thought it sad that the grandson died in 1828 aged 45, just at the start of the railway age. He was working on the Cromford and High Peak when he died. That railway perfectly captures the move from canal to railway, incorporating features of both.)
    Interesting. My pseudonym for blogging is more functional - all the accounts were available, there weren't any famous ones to bury me in search engines, and it is very difficult to misspell when on the phone / radio / podcast (I did some podcasting-vodcasting in ~2005).

    I discovered Mr Gay UK later.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,714
    BBC reporting UK has signed a deal with EU on Gibraltar. Welcomed by Fabian Picardo who as I am sure everyone knows is chief minister of Gibraltar.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,733
    edited June 11
    stodge said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    A glorious evening here in the Reform heartland of Amber Valley. Drove through last week’s by-election town of Somercotes which Reform of course won. Talking to some of the locals, I’m beginning to get more of an insight about why Reform are doing so well. It’s not about immigration, it’s far more complex and nuanced.

    Belper is an interesting place - it's a market town of 20k which has done relatively well, but had a very diverse industrial base up until say 1990-2000-ish when a lot gradually closed down. It gave the world Swarfega.

    It is blessed because there are not many larger places too close by so it has a decent hinterland, and it has almost a White Peak feel whilst being closer to Derby than say Matlock. It's a nice place for bringing up families or early retirement - not very touristy but much of the future is tourism, around the World Heritage Site and the Derwent..

    It is less gritty than Bolsover or Ripley or Heanor, and was always a happy hunting ground for Homes Under the Hammer. I suspect there are decent numbers of incomers, who may be more at cricket matches alongside long-term people.

    For politics, I'd perhaps expect nostalgia amongst some, and an attitude to Reform that would be based on "the others have not helped us enough here". And perhaps some resentment of "city Labour". The architecture is quite Peak District - stone not brick iirc in the older parts.

    And there's a fun railway through the middle completely hidden in a cutting.
    https://maps.app.goo.gl/5skq66eopYTZkjhGA
    Am I right in thinking that Matlock is not a particularly friendly sort of place? I have some dim memories of it from a school trip, about 45 years ago.

    It may be perfectly nice or improved since then, ofcourse
    Matlock is incomparably different to when I knew it well in the 1990s; the new road through Cawdor Quarry has massively improved traffic. And traffic was always a major problem in the town centre. I've strolled around a few times since the new road opened, and it all feels a bit more open. And I'm pleased to see Twigg is still open.

    But it's also really different to Matlock Bath, a mile or so down the road. Of the two, I much prefer Matlock, despite its lack of cable car and touristy tat.

    (My family apparently built Smedley's Hydro on the hill in Matlock; when they closed down the family business a few decades back, they found detailed plans of it.)
    Are you related to William Jessop or similar? "Josias" - if not a pseudonym - could be quite "trad Derbyshire".

    Matlock has Derbyshire County Council HQ which helps, and is in its way quite arty. It also has one end of a heritage railway, and Matlock Bath has a famous lights display at Christmas - a Derbyshire version of Walsall. Twenty or thirty years ago parts of it felt quite 1950s. That was in the former Smedley Hydro, which is now the General Register Office for England and Wales - a decent anchor for a small town of 20k.

    Matlock is one place I know where a lot of vicars seem to retire - another being Newark. That means decent shops, OK arts and intellectual life, and reasonable-ish property prices.

    The only open hostility I have been aware of are that Matlock Bath is huge amongst bikers, who can look scary and probably are not, and a bloke who used to lean over the wall of his garden centre by the river at kayakers shooting the rapids and shake his fist at them; the experience is modestly legendary in canoeing circles.
    If you go via Matlock, visit the chocolate shop and Scarthin's bookshop in Cromford. It's worth it for the vintage MG, and the chocolates.
    Scarthin’s is an experience to say the least.

    I like Belper and as others have said in-comers with income have made a big difference. There’s three of four decent places to eat - my personal favourite is The Bookcafe opposite Morrisons.

    Ambergate has one top notch eatery during the week and three at the weekends. The Indian is excellent but charges London prices. There’s a curious juxtaposition between the old and the new across Amber Valley and from a politics standpoint both groups have been drawn to Reform though perhaps for different reasons.

    Defeat for the locals in the cricket - they came up four runs short chasing 122. At 106-6 with 12 balls left, they had a sniff but kept losing wickets.
    There's a vegetarian cafe amongst the books. I haven't spent a serious chunk of time in there since the 2000s, but often used to go with parents.

    There are (unless it has changed recently) a serious number of biggish second hand bookshops in the Dark and White Peaks.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,931
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    We can't have a PM called Darren.
    We had one called Liz. :)

    It was Dorian in "Birds of a Feather" who pointed out you should never give a child a name if you couldn't see a monarch with that name. So George yes, but Wayne no.
    I've always thought you should give a child a name they can make their own. Charlotte - Lotty, Charlie, Cherry, ... whatever.
    That's why we went with: Boy One, Girl One, Girl Two.

    Lots of options for personalisation there.
    There were a pair of brothers in Fife when I worked there who were genuinely called Seth 1 and Seth 2. I fear that there was even more inbreeding in the family than is typical in Fife and to be honest they would have struggled to make a shilling between them, let alone 1 each. They got involved in low level offending of such mind blowing stupidity that it was hard not to laugh, at least if you were not on the receiving end. They weren't a great advert for that sort of naming.
    My brother did once date a girl named Octavia, who was indeed the eighth child. I think the Rees Moggs have a similar system.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,733
    rkrkrk said:

    BBC reporting UK has signed a deal with EU on Gibraltar. Welcomed by Fabian Picardo who as I am sure everyone knows is chief minister of Gibraltar.

    Yes - he did an interview with Martin "Why are you surrendering to the EU?" Daubney earlier on GBN.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,665

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is?

    No.
    He did very well today. Granted he's no Liz Truss.
    Well, I'm glad he has impressed you and Roger. If he can get past your discriminating eyes and win a glowing review, he must have done really well. :smile:
    We will see how the bond markets respond.

    They certainly responded to the "most Conservative budget since 1986".
    Bond yields are worse under Reeves than they were at the levels that forced Truss to resign, but I suppose there are different rules for Labour aren't there petal?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,638
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,817
    DavidL said:

    Swinney has worked hard at being boring. He has a natural talent for it. Most of the lunacies that infected the government when they were in hock to the Green nutters have been quietly forgotten or dropped. But there has been nothing to replace it. No ideas, no vision, no inspiration, nothing.

    And no attempt to address Scotland's multiple problems: an overly large and overly comfortable public sector drawing too much of the available wealth and income to itself. An NHS that is simply not keeping up with rising demand. An education system that is in absolute meltdown. A very serious lack of entrepreneurial drive or ambition. Scots would rather regulate something than do it. There is no viable route to independence in such circumstances and enough of the population know that to make it vanishingly unlikely we will even be asked.

    You can replace the name Swinney with Starmer and the description would be identical.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,931
    edited June 11
    Tulsi Gabbard used AI to help decide which classified documents to declassify.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbard-admits-to-asking-ai-what-to-classify-in-jfk-files/
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,665



    algarkirk said:

    Roger said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    One to watch maybe, but not next leader. That's Angela's job.
    How do you think she'd get on with say Trump or Macron?
    I think you can safely say that if Angela were in a press conference with Trump in the Oval office we would all, with the entire nation, be watching live. Pure gold.
    She used to be a carer, she'll be fine.She has experience in changing diapers and a Foley catheter.

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/us-news/donald-trump-health-fears-surge-35370147
    What pray tell is a 'diaper'?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,929
    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Battlebus said:

    Yes, we are giving up control of the border.
    Have you been on Eurostar or crossed the channel at Dover?
    I have not. Well not this millennium
    My travel schedule for the next 2 weeks:

    London
    Paris
    Avignon
    Marseille
    London
    Devon
    Milan
    Toronto
    Charlottetown
    Montreal
    Los Angeles
    London
    How do you get to Milan from Devon?
    My travel schedule for the next 2 weeks:
    • Place where I live
    • Place where I work (including weekday digs)
    • Place where I live
    • Place where I work (including weekday digs)
    • Place where I live
    Trains and taxis are involved. I may have mentioned this. :)


    My travel schedule is simpler

    Get up walk down stairs work
    Walk round the local shop 3 minutes
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,512
    Jesus. People track the “busyness” status on Google Maps of Pizza places around the Pentagon to judge whether important things are happening
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,675

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    We can't have a PM called Darren.
    We had one called Liz. :)

    It was Dorian in "Birds of a Feather" who pointed out you should never give a child a name if you couldn't see a monarch with that name. So George yes, but Wayne no.
    I've always thought you should give a child a name they can make their own. Charlotte - Lotty, Charlie, Cherry, ... whatever.
    That's why we went with: Boy One, Girl One, Girl Two.

    Lots of options for personalisation there.
    I always thought it would be bad for them to name them 'Faulty Condom'.
    Could be worse, could be "She told me she was on the pill".
    I always hated the trend of naming kids after where they were conceived.

    Poor little Greggs Car Park never had a chance in life.
    Florence wasn't a name until it was popularised by Florence Nightingale, who is called Florence because that's where she was born. (Some here would therefore conclude she wouldn't have deserved a council house.)

    Her sister was born in Naples and thus called Parthenope.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,771
    edited June 11
    I can report that pilot whale blubber is actually quite tolerable, even nice

    The weird black raw whale skin not so nice at all

    And as for Ræst kjøt - mutton left to rot and ferment for two months - OMG. Omfg no. No no no


  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,287
    edited June 11

    Battlebus said:

    Yes, we are giving up control of the border.
    Have you been on Eurostar or crossed the channel at Dover?
    I have not. Well not this millennium
    My travel schedule for the next 2 weeks:

    London
    Paris
    Avignon
    Marseille
    London
    Devon
    Milan
    Toronto
    Charlottetown
    Montreal
    Los Angeles
    London
    ...everybody talk about...pop music!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPoiv0sZ4s4

    Edit: Bah, I was way too late
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,929
    Leon said:

    I can report that pilot whale blubber is actually quite tolerable, even nice

    The weird black raw whale skin not so nice at all

    And as for Ræst kjøt - mutton left to rot and ferment for two months - OMG. Omfg no. No no no


    surstromming is great though
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,137
    RIP Brian Wilson.
    Creator of the number 1 single the day I was born. And greatest pop song of all time.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,165
    AnneJGP said:

    Battlebus said:

    Yes, we are giving up control of the border.
    Have you been on Eurostar or crossed the channel at Dover?
    I have not. Well not this millennium
    My travel schedule for the next 2 weeks:

    London
    Paris
    Avignon
    Marseille
    London
    Devon
    Milan
    Toronto
    Charlottetown
    Montreal
    Los Angeles
    London
    How do you get to Milan from Devon?
    Train to Heathrow, plane to linate, motorbike to the centre of Milan

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,137

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    We can't have a PM called Darren.
    We had one called Liz. :)

    It was Dorian in "Birds of a Feather" who pointed out you should never give a child a name if you couldn't see a monarch with that name. So George yes, but Wayne no.
    I've always thought you should give a child a name they can make their own. Charlotte - Lotty, Charlie, Cherry, ... whatever.
    That's why we went with: Boy One, Girl One, Girl Two.

    Lots of options for personalisation there.
    I always thought it would be bad for them to name them 'Faulty Condom'.
    Could be worse, could be "She told me she was on the pill".
    I always hated the trend of naming kids after where they were conceived.

    Poor little Greggs Car Park never had a chance in life.
    Florence wasn't a name until it was popularised by Florence Nightingale, who is called Florence because that's where she was born. (Some here would therefore conclude she wouldn't have deserved a council house.)

    Her sister was born in Naples and thus called Parthenope.
    Neither was Wendy before Peter Pan.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,623

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    We can't have a PM called Darren.
    We had one called Liz. :)

    It was Dorian in "Birds of a Feather" who pointed out you should never give a child a name if you couldn't see a monarch with that name. So George yes, but Wayne no.
    I've always thought you should give a child a name they can make their own. Charlotte - Lotty, Charlie, Cherry, ... whatever.
    That's why we went with: Boy One, Girl One, Girl Two.

    Lots of options for personalisation there.
    I always thought it would be bad for them to name them 'Faulty Condom'.
    Could be worse, could be "She told me she was on the pill".
    I always hated the trend of naming kids after where they were conceived.

    Poor little Greggs Car Park never had a chance in life.
    Henry Bolingbroke was never going to come to any good.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,675

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-embassy-iraq-preparing-ordered-evacuation-due-heightened-security-risks-2025-06-11/

    US embassy in Iraq preparing for ordered evacuation due to 'heightened security risks', sources say

    Tonight or tomorrow night eyes on is my guess. Suddenly there's warnings everywhere - UKMTO now. So I think the word has gone out.
    Makes me more convinced its a bluff, sadly.

    If it were really happening, I don't think word would be out until after it started.
    American is busy signalling
    Definitely a bluff then, they wouldn't be signalling if it were legit.

    How many times have we been here before? Bibi is the Grand Old Duke of York, constantly marching troops to the top of the hill, then back down again.

    Hopefully Bibi is out of office and in prison where he belongs sooner rather than later, and Israel can get a proper leader who will take the gloves off and actually fight Iran properly.
    There was plenty of signalling before Russia attacked Ukraine. It doesn't mean it's not happening.
    Yeah, but Russia's incompetent.

    The Israelis know how to keep a secret.
    Tell that to the Sunday Times.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,137
    My mother taught twins called Shaun and Sean (pronounced seen).
    That was in the Seventies.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,675
    dixiedean said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    We can't have a PM called Darren.
    We had one called Liz. :)

    It was Dorian in "Birds of a Feather" who pointed out you should never give a child a name if you couldn't see a monarch with that name. So George yes, but Wayne no.
    I've always thought you should give a child a name they can make their own. Charlotte - Lotty, Charlie, Cherry, ... whatever.
    That's why we went with: Boy One, Girl One, Girl Two.

    Lots of options for personalisation there.
    I always thought it would be bad for them to name them 'Faulty Condom'.
    Could be worse, could be "She told me she was on the pill".
    I always hated the trend of naming kids after where they were conceived.

    Poor little Greggs Car Park never had a chance in life.
    Florence wasn't a name until it was popularised by Florence Nightingale, who is called Florence because that's where she was born. (Some here would therefore conclude she wouldn't have deserved a council house.)

    Her sister was born in Naples and thus called Parthenope.
    Neither was Wendy before Peter Pan.
    Good fact.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,504

    Jesus. People track the “busyness” status on Google Maps of Pizza places around the Pentagon to judge whether important things are happening

    Maybe they want to get a pizza the action.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,771
    Trump is bad and all that but…. lol

    Democratic Party Approval Rating

    🟢 Approve: 21% (-49)
    🔴 Disapprove: 70%

    Quinnipiac | June 5-9 | 1,283 RV

    https://x.com/opensourcezone/status/1932861766456738083?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Are they really gonna win the midterms?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,504
    Oh, well. My aspiration to visit NI to do the Northern Irish Railways will have to wait.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,780
    Leon said:

    Trump is bad and all that but…. lol

    Democratic Party Approval Rating

    🟢 Approve: 21% (-49)
    🔴 Disapprove: 70%

    Quinnipiac | June 5-9 | 1,283 RV

    https://x.com/opensourcezone/status/1932861766456738083?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Are they really gonna win the midterms?

    New Quinnipiac poll:

    Trump’s approval:
    Disapprove: 54%
    Approve: 38%

    Trump’s “big, beautiful” bill:
    53% oppose
    27% support

    Handling of immigration:
    54% disapprove
    43% approve
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,504

    AnneJGP said:

    Battlebus said:

    Yes, we are giving up control of the border.
    Have you been on Eurostar or crossed the channel at Dover?
    I have not. Well not this millennium
    My travel schedule for the next 2 weeks:

    London
    Paris
    Avignon
    Marseille
    London
    Devon
    Milan
    Toronto
    Charlottetown
    Montreal
    Los Angeles
    London
    How do you get to Milan from Devon?
    Train to Heathrow, plane to linate, motorbike to the centre of Milan

    You need to change at Paddington.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,771
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is bad and all that but…. lol

    Democratic Party Approval Rating

    🟢 Approve: 21% (-49)
    🔴 Disapprove: 70%

    Quinnipiac | June 5-9 | 1,283 RV

    https://x.com/opensourcezone/status/1932861766456738083?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Are they really gonna win the midterms?

    New Quinnipiac poll:

    Trump’s approval:
    Disapprove: 54%
    Approve: 38%

    Trump’s “big, beautiful” bill:
    53% oppose
    27% support

    Handling of immigration:
    54% disapprove
    43% approve
    So Trump, while unpopular, is still miles more popular than the Democrat party? Am I reading this right?

    That polling of the Dems is quite something. Why are they now so loathed?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,600

    AnneJGP said:

    Battlebus said:

    Yes, we are giving up control of the border.
    Have you been on Eurostar or crossed the channel at Dover?
    I have not. Well not this millennium
    My travel schedule for the next 2 weeks:

    London
    Paris
    Avignon
    Marseille
    London
    Devon
    Milan
    Toronto
    Charlottetown
    Montreal
    Los Angeles
    London
    How do you get to Milan from Devon?
    Train to Heathrow, plane to linate, motorbike to the centre of Milan

    You need to change at Paddington.
    Used to be a special coach from Reading.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,243
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is bad and all that but…. lol

    Democratic Party Approval Rating

    🟢 Approve: 21% (-49)
    🔴 Disapprove: 70%

    Quinnipiac | June 5-9 | 1,283 RV

    https://x.com/opensourcezone/status/1932861766456738083?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Are they really gonna win the midterms?

    New Quinnipiac poll:

    Trump’s approval:
    Disapprove: 54%
    Approve: 38%

    Trump’s “big, beautiful” bill:
    53% oppose
    27% support

    Handling of immigration:
    54% disapprove
    43% approve
    So Trump, while unpopular, is still miles more popular than the Democrat party? Am I reading this right?

    That polling of the Dems is quite something. Why are they now so loathed?
    Maybe because they let all this happen?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,893
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is bad and all that but…. lol

    Democratic Party Approval Rating

    🟢 Approve: 21% (-49)
    🔴 Disapprove: 70%

    Quinnipiac | June 5-9 | 1,283 RV

    https://x.com/opensourcezone/status/1932861766456738083?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Are they really gonna win the midterms?

    New Quinnipiac poll:

    Trump’s approval:
    Disapprove: 54%
    Approve: 38%

    Trump’s “big, beautiful” bill:
    53% oppose
    27% support

    Handling of immigration:
    54% disapprove
    43% approve
    So Trump, while unpopular, is still miles more popular than the Democrat party? Am I reading this right?

    That polling of the Dems is quite something. Why are they now so loathed?
    Suspect that they are skewered from both sides.

    Trumpists hate the Dems because they oppose the President.

    Anti-Trumpists hate them because they don't oppose the President enough.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,771

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is bad and all that but…. lol

    Democratic Party Approval Rating

    🟢 Approve: 21% (-49)
    🔴 Disapprove: 70%

    Quinnipiac | June 5-9 | 1,283 RV

    https://x.com/opensourcezone/status/1932861766456738083?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Are they really gonna win the midterms?

    New Quinnipiac poll:

    Trump’s approval:
    Disapprove: 54%
    Approve: 38%

    Trump’s “big, beautiful” bill:
    53% oppose
    27% support

    Handling of immigration:
    54% disapprove
    43% approve
    So Trump, while unpopular, is still miles more popular than the Democrat party? Am I reading this right?

    That polling of the Dems is quite something. Why are they now so loathed?
    Maybe because they let all this happen?
    Gagagate was a such a stupid, avoidable catastrophe. Just tell the old fart he’s too old to run again. Dump Biden. Have primaries. Show some spine

    Idiots
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,771

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is bad and all that but…. lol

    Democratic Party Approval Rating

    🟢 Approve: 21% (-49)
    🔴 Disapprove: 70%

    Quinnipiac | June 5-9 | 1,283 RV

    https://x.com/opensourcezone/status/1932861766456738083?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Are they really gonna win the midterms?

    New Quinnipiac poll:

    Trump’s approval:
    Disapprove: 54%
    Approve: 38%

    Trump’s “big, beautiful” bill:
    53% oppose
    27% support

    Handling of immigration:
    54% disapprove
    43% approve
    So Trump, while unpopular, is still miles more popular than the Democrat party? Am I reading this right?

    That polling of the Dems is quite something. Why are they now so loathed?
    Suspect that they are skewered from both sides.

    Trumpists hate the Dems because they oppose the President.

    Anti-Trumpists hate them because they don't oppose the President enough.
    Is that it? I genuinely don’t know. I’ve stopped checking the deets of American politics since Trump won

    But it strikes me that it will be very hard for them to prosper in the midterms with polling like THAT

    They desperately need a new Obama. Someone young clever unwoke - a new voice. Persuasive and centrist and refreshing
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,298
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is bad and all that but…. lol

    Democratic Party Approval Rating

    🟢 Approve: 21% (-49)
    🔴 Disapprove: 70%

    Quinnipiac | June 5-9 | 1,283 RV

    https://x.com/opensourcezone/status/1932861766456738083?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Are they really gonna win the midterms?

    New Quinnipiac poll:

    Trump’s approval:
    Disapprove: 54%
    Approve: 38%

    Trump’s “big, beautiful” bill:
    53% oppose
    27% support

    Handling of immigration:
    54% disapprove
    43% approve
    So Trump, while unpopular, is still miles more popular than the Democrat party? Am I reading this right?

    That polling of the Dems is quite something. Why are they now so loathed?
    Suspect that they are skewered from both sides.

    Trumpists hate the Dems because they oppose the President.

    Anti-Trumpists hate them because they don't oppose the President enough.
    Is that it? I genuinely don’t know. I’ve stopped checking the deets of American politics since Trump won

    But it strikes me that it will be very hard for them to prosper in the midterms with polling like THAT

    They desperately need a new Obama. Someone young clever unwoke - a new voice. Persuasive and centrist and refreshing
    American parties in opposition don't have a leader - at least in the public imagination. Can't help...
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,301
    stodge said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    A glorious evening here in the Reform heartland of Amber Valley. Drove through last week’s by-election town of Somercotes which Reform of course won. Talking to some of the locals, I’m beginning to get more of an insight about why Reform are doing so well. It’s not about immigration, it’s far more complex and nuanced.

    Belper is an interesting place - it's a market town of 20k which has done relatively well, but had a very diverse industrial base up until say 1990-2000-ish when a lot gradually closed down. It gave the world Swarfega.

    It is blessed because there are not many larger places too close by so it has a decent hinterland, and it has almost a White Peak feel whilst being closer to Derby than say Matlock. It's a nice place for bringing up families or early retirement - not very touristy but much of the future is tourism, around the World Heritage Site and the Derwent..

    It is less gritty than Bolsover or Ripley or Heanor, and was always a happy hunting ground for Homes Under the Hammer. I suspect there are decent numbers of incomers, who may be more at cricket matches alongside long-term people.

    For politics, I'd perhaps expect nostalgia amongst some, and an attitude to Reform that would be based on "the others have not helped us enough here". And perhaps some resentment of "city Labour". The architecture is quite Peak District - stone not brick iirc in the older parts.

    And there's a fun railway through the middle completely hidden in a cutting.
    https://maps.app.goo.gl/5skq66eopYTZkjhGA
    Am I right in thinking that Matlock is not a particularly friendly sort of place? I have some dim memories of it from a school trip, about 45 years ago.

    It may be perfectly nice or improved since then, ofcourse
    Matlock is incomparably different to when I knew it well in the 1990s; the new road through Cawdor Quarry has massively improved traffic. And traffic was always a major problem in the town centre. I've strolled around a few times since the new road opened, and it all feels a bit more open. And I'm pleased to see Twigg is still open.

    But it's also really different to Matlock Bath, a mile or so down the road. Of the two, I much prefer Matlock, despite its lack of cable car and touristy tat.

    (My family apparently built Smedley's Hydro on the hill in Matlock; when they closed down the family business a few decades back, they found detailed plans of it.)
    Are you related to William Jessop or similar? "Josias" - if not a pseudonym - could be quite "trad Derbyshire".

    Matlock has Derbyshire County Council HQ which helps, and is in its way quite arty. It also has one end of a heritage railway, and Matlock Bath has a famous lights display at Christmas - a Derbyshire version of Walsall. Twenty or thirty years ago parts of it felt quite 1950s. That was in the former Smedley Hydro, which is now the General Register Office for England and Wales - a decent anchor for a small town of 20k.

    Matlock is one place I know where a lot of vicars seem to retire - another being Newark. That means decent shops, OK arts and intellectual life, and reasonable-ish property prices.

    The only open hostility I have been aware of are that Matlock Bath is huge amongst bikers, who can look scary and probably are not, and a bloke who used to lean over the wall of his garden centre by the river at kayakers shooting the rapids and shake his fist at them; the experience is modestly legendary in canoeing circles.
    If you go via Matlock, visit the chocolate shop and Scarthin's bookshop in Cromford. It's worth it for the vintage MG, and the chocolates.
    Scarthin’s is an experience to say the least.

    I like Belper and as others have said in-comers with income have made a big difference. There’s three of four decent places to eat - my personal favourite is The Bookcafe opposite Morrisons.

    Ambergate has one top notch eatery during the week and three at the weekends. The Indian is excellent but charges London prices. There’s a curious juxtaposition between the old and the new across Amber Valley and from a politics standpoint both groups have been drawn to Reform though perhaps for different reasons.

    Defeat for the locals in the cricket - they came up four runs short chasing 122. At 106-6 with 12 balls left, they had a sniff but kept losing wickets.
    I've not been to Belper for a couple of decades but even back then it had moved successfully from small, gritty and industrial town to quirky and pretty, like a Midlands Hebden Bridge. Other towns in the east of the district ... hadn't.
    I'd say the extreme steepness and the presence of a station both helped.

    Have you been to Wirksworth? That's an odd little place. Feels very remote. Still industrial (quarrying) anf therefore alittle dusty, but an interesting place for a poke around. Though when I went last year a couple of fondly-remembered little cafes were no longer there, so maybe its promise never materialised.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,638
    https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1932914482428236141

    The U.S. has ordered all embassies within strike range of Iran, including ones located in Europe and North Africa, to convene emergency action meetings and communicate back measures they are taking mitigate risks, per the Washington Post.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,186
    .

    MattW said:

    Colby, the Def Sec, is a harder line "China not Europe" man, and perhaps an outrider for Trump. I don't see how canning AUKUS would help his China stance - since that is what a lot of Oz having SSNs is about. For an isolationist, it could be one answer to the USA being not very effective at building its own submarines other than very, very slowly.

    I don't think Trump will cancel AUKUS, but the planned sale of Virginia class SSNs to Australia may be for the axe. That was always going to be problematic with, as you say, the US now being so damn slow at building submarines the USN is now desperate for new boats.

    If that's the case I suspect the solution will be for the UK to sell a couple of its Astutes to Australia, and then accelerate the SSN-AUKUS program as much as feasible. That may mean doing more work in the UK than planned and expanding Barrow so the AUKUS hulls can be built while the Dreadnoughts are still in progress.
    Don't you ?
    Wouldn't surprise me, given the odd decisions there making.

    It looks as though they're cancelling the new Navy fighter - which will leave the USN with a very large capability gap.

    Now they're cancelling the AWACS replacement. The E2D as a stopgap is a joke.

    E-2 Hawkeye Replaces USAF E-3 Sentry, E-7 Cancelled In New Budget
    https://www.twz.com/air/e-2-hawkeye-replaces-usaf-e-3-sentry-e-7-cancelled-in-new-budget

    Trump and Whiskey Pete are quite capable of doing something stupid with AUKUS.





  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,243

    Christopher Snowdon
    @cjsnowdon
    Richard Madeley’s response to this incredible [David Bull, Reform] story is why he is a giant of broadcasting.

    https://x.com/cjsnowdon/status/1932902874373365774
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 993

    Jesus. People track the “busyness” status on Google Maps of Pizza places around the Pentagon to judge whether important things are happening

    Maybe they want to get a pizza the action.
    Deciding whether to send in the Marinara Corp?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,186
    Fox state propaganda.

    Duffy: So many of the activists you see on the streets, the Latinos once at least, a lot of them are really ungrateful children of immigrants.. That school district is not about educating. That district, that entire system is about creating a little marxist communist activists, that is what you see on the streets there.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1932897747465875599


  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,009
    Nigelb said:

    .

    MattW said:

    Colby, the Def Sec, is a harder line "China not Europe" man, and perhaps an outrider for Trump. I don't see how canning AUKUS would help his China stance - since that is what a lot of Oz having SSNs is about. For an isolationist, it could be one answer to the USA being not very effective at building its own submarines other than very, very slowly.

    I don't think Trump will cancel AUKUS, but the planned sale of Virginia class SSNs to Australia may be for the axe. That was always going to be problematic with, as you say, the US now being so damn slow at building submarines the USN is now desperate for new boats.

    If that's the case I suspect the solution will be for the UK to sell a couple of its Astutes to Australia, and then accelerate the SSN-AUKUS program as much as feasible. That may mean doing more work in the UK than planned and expanding Barrow so the AUKUS hulls can be built while the Dreadnoughts are still in progress.
    Don't you ?
    Wouldn't surprise me, given the odd decisions there making.

    It looks as though they're cancelling the new Navy fighter - which will leave the USN with a very large capability gap.

    Now they're cancelling the AWACS replacement. The E2D as a stopgap is a joke.

    E-2 Hawkeye Replaces USAF E-3 Sentry, E-7 Cancelled In New Budget
    https://www.twz.com/air/e-2-hawkeye-replaces-usaf-e-3-sentry-e-7-cancelled-in-new-budget

    Trump and Whiskey Pete are quite capable of doing something stupid with AUKUS.





    That's about accelerating the move to space based radars - which aren't vulnerable to drones delivered by truck. Particularly since the cheaper LEO radar sats now cost far less than an AWACS. The Pentagon is looking at having staring (24/7) surveillance, worldwide, in the near future.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,186
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is bad and all that but…. lol

    Democratic Party Approval Rating

    🟢 Approve: 21% (-49)
    🔴 Disapprove: 70%

    Quinnipiac | June 5-9 | 1,283 RV

    https://x.com/opensourcezone/status/1932861766456738083?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Are they really gonna win the midterms?

    New Quinnipiac poll:

    Trump’s approval:
    Disapprove: 54%
    Approve: 38%

    Trump’s “big, beautiful” bill:
    53% oppose
    27% support

    Handling of immigration:
    54% disapprove
    43% approve
    So Trump, while unpopular, is still miles more popular than the Democrat party? Am I reading this right?

    That polling of the Dems is quite something. Why are they now so loathed?
    Maybe because they let all this happen?
    Gagagate was a such a stupid, avoidable catastrophe. Just tell the old fart he’s too old to run again. Dump Biden. Have primaries. Show some spine

    Idiots
    Sure it was.
    What's the precedent for stopping a sitting President from running again?

    There isn't one.

    Biden fucked up - but as I pointed out at the time, and you still don't appear to understand, it was virtually impossible to do anything about that, before he finally decided to step down.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,243
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is bad and all that but…. lol

    Democratic Party Approval Rating

    🟢 Approve: 21% (-49)
    🔴 Disapprove: 70%

    Quinnipiac | June 5-9 | 1,283 RV

    https://x.com/opensourcezone/status/1932861766456738083?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Are they really gonna win the midterms?

    New Quinnipiac poll:

    Trump’s approval:
    Disapprove: 54%
    Approve: 38%

    Trump’s “big, beautiful” bill:
    53% oppose
    27% support

    Handling of immigration:
    54% disapprove
    43% approve
    So Trump, while unpopular, is still miles more popular than the Democrat party? Am I reading this right?

    That polling of the Dems is quite something. Why are they now so loathed?
    Maybe because they let all this happen?
    Gagagate was a such a stupid, avoidable catastrophe. Just tell the old fart he’s too old to run again. Dump Biden. Have primaries. Show some spine

    Idiots
    Sure it was.
    What's the precedent for stopping a sitting President from running again?

    There isn't one.

    Biden fucked up - but as I pointed out at the time, and you still don't appear to understand, it was virtually impossible to do anything about that, before he finally decided to step down.
    LBJ didn't run again.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,243

    https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1932914482428236141

    The U.S. has ordered all embassies within strike range of Iran, including ones located in Europe and North Africa, to convene emergency action meetings and communicate back measures they are taking mitigate risks, per the Washington Post.

    Is Israel about to rain on Trump's birthday parade?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,243
    edited June 11
    Tice's partner confirms that Reform thinking is, as alleged by Reeves, that Truss was right and the mini-budget was a brilliant budget.


    Talk
    @TalkTV
    "They were basically destroyed by the blob within weeks."

    Isabel Oakeshott says the country would be in a better place right now if Liz Truss had "held her nerve" alongside Kwasi Kwarteng.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,186

    Nigelb said:

    .

    MattW said:

    Colby, the Def Sec, is a harder line "China not Europe" man, and perhaps an outrider for Trump. I don't see how canning AUKUS would help his China stance - since that is what a lot of Oz having SSNs is about. For an isolationist, it could be one answer to the USA being not very effective at building its own submarines other than very, very slowly.

    I don't think Trump will cancel AUKUS, but the planned sale of Virginia class SSNs to Australia may be for the axe. That was always going to be problematic with, as you say, the US now being so damn slow at building submarines the USN is now desperate for new boats.

    If that's the case I suspect the solution will be for the UK to sell a couple of its Astutes to Australia, and then accelerate the SSN-AUKUS program as much as feasible. That may mean doing more work in the UK than planned and expanding Barrow so the AUKUS hulls can be built while the Dreadnoughts are still in progress.
    Don't you ?
    Wouldn't surprise me, given the odd decisions there making.

    It looks as though they're cancelling the new Navy fighter - which will leave the USN with a very large capability gap.

    Now they're cancelling the AWACS replacement. The E2D as a stopgap is a joke.

    E-2 Hawkeye Replaces USAF E-3 Sentry, E-7 Cancelled In New Budget
    https://www.twz.com/air/e-2-hawkeye-replaces-usaf-e-3-sentry-e-7-cancelled-in-new-budget

    Trump and Whiskey Pete are quite capable of doing something stupid with AUKUS.


    That's about accelerating the move to space based radars - which aren't vulnerable to drones delivered by truck. Particularly since the cheaper LEO radar sats now cost far less than an AWACS. The Pentagon is looking at having staring (24/7) surveillance, worldwide, in the near future.
    It's a very large gamble.
    Maybe it will work out; maybe it won't.

    If it doesn't, then it leaves a very large capability gap in the Pacific/Asia.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,186

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is bad and all that but…. lol

    Democratic Party Approval Rating

    🟢 Approve: 21% (-49)
    🔴 Disapprove: 70%

    Quinnipiac | June 5-9 | 1,283 RV

    https://x.com/opensourcezone/status/1932861766456738083?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Are they really gonna win the midterms?

    New Quinnipiac poll:

    Trump’s approval:
    Disapprove: 54%
    Approve: 38%

    Trump’s “big, beautiful” bill:
    53% oppose
    27% support

    Handling of immigration:
    54% disapprove
    43% approve
    So Trump, while unpopular, is still miles more popular than the Democrat party? Am I reading this right?

    That polling of the Dems is quite something. Why are they now so loathed?
    Maybe because they let all this happen?
    Gagagate was a such a stupid, avoidable catastrophe. Just tell the old fart he’s too old to run again. Dump Biden. Have primaries. Show some spine

    Idiots
    Sure it was.
    What's the precedent for stopping a sitting President from running again?

    There isn't one.

    Biden fucked up - but as I pointed out at the time, and you still don't appear to understand, it was virtually impossible to do anything about that, before he finally decided to step down.
    LBJ didn't run again.

    Of his own volition. Similarly Truman.

    But there's no precedent in the history of the US for taking down a sitting President - and in this case one still very popular with a large part of his own party - against his will.

    Until the debate, it simply wasn't going to happen.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,896

    Leon said:

    I can report that pilot whale blubber is actually quite tolerable, even nice

    The weird black raw whale skin not so nice at all

    And as for Ræst kjøt - mutton left to rot and ferment for two months - OMG. Omfg no. No no no


    You have very delicate hands. The shade of nail varnish I admit to being a surprise....
    I think it suits him. Vibes with the tiny feet USP.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,186

    Nigelb said:

    .

    MattW said:

    Colby, the Def Sec, is a harder line "China not Europe" man, and perhaps an outrider for Trump. I don't see how canning AUKUS would help his China stance - since that is what a lot of Oz having SSNs is about. For an isolationist, it could be one answer to the USA being not very effective at building its own submarines other than very, very slowly.

    I don't think Trump will cancel AUKUS, but the planned sale of Virginia class SSNs to Australia may be for the axe. That was always going to be problematic with, as you say, the US now being so damn slow at building submarines the USN is now desperate for new boats.

    If that's the case I suspect the solution will be for the UK to sell a couple of its Astutes to Australia, and then accelerate the SSN-AUKUS program as much as feasible. That may mean doing more work in the UK than planned and expanding Barrow so the AUKUS hulls can be built while the Dreadnoughts are still in progress.
    Don't you ?
    Wouldn't surprise me, given the odd decisions there making.

    It looks as though they're cancelling the new Navy fighter - which will leave the USN with a very large capability gap.

    Now they're cancelling the AWACS replacement. The E2D as a stopgap is a joke.

    E-2 Hawkeye Replaces USAF E-3 Sentry, E-7 Cancelled In New Budget
    https://www.twz.com/air/e-2-hawkeye-replaces-usaf-e-3-sentry-e-7-cancelled-in-new-budget

    Trump and Whiskey Pete are quite capable of doing something stupid with AUKUS.

    That's about accelerating the move to space based radars - which aren't vulnerable to drones delivered by truck. Particularly since the cheaper LEO radar sats now cost far less than an AWACS. The Pentagon is looking at having staring (24/7) surveillance, worldwide, in the near future.
    And it won't just be radar.
    One of the points of moving to space is that it allows IR tracing from above, which might be a means of defeating stealth.

    But abandoning modern AEW before that's proven remains a gamble.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,243

    Oliver Johnson
    @BristOliver
    ·
    4m
    Tldr; we're doing a clinical trial, and all American kids are the placebo arm

    https://x.com/BristOliver/status/1932924385326981458
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,896
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is bad and all that but…. lol

    Democratic Party Approval Rating

    🟢 Approve: 21% (-49)
    🔴 Disapprove: 70%

    Quinnipiac | June 5-9 | 1,283 RV

    https://x.com/opensourcezone/status/1932861766456738083?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Are they really gonna win the midterms?

    New Quinnipiac poll:

    Trump’s approval:
    Disapprove: 54%
    Approve: 38%

    Trump’s “big, beautiful” bill:
    53% oppose
    27% support

    Handling of immigration:
    54% disapprove
    43% approve
    So Trump, while unpopular, is still miles more popular than the Democrat party? Am I reading this right?

    That polling of the Dems is quite something. Why are they now so loathed?
    Suspect that they are skewered from both sides.

    Trumpists hate the Dems because they oppose the President.

    Anti-Trumpists hate them because they don't oppose the President enough.
    Is that it? I genuinely don’t know. I’ve stopped checking the deets of American politics since Trump won

    But it strikes me that it will be very hard for them to prosper in the midterms with polling like THAT

    They desperately need a new Obama. Someone young clever unwoke - a new voice. Persuasive and centrist and refreshing
    American parties in opposition don't have a leader - at least in the public imagination. Can't help...
    They need an Ed Davey. There must be one of them who can bungee jump without offending a faction, surely?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,186
    edited June 11



    algarkirk said:

    Roger said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    One to watch maybe, but not next leader. That's Angela's job.
    How do you think she'd get on with say Trump or Macron?
    I think you can safely say that if Angela were in a press conference with Trump in the Oval office we would all, with the entire nation, be watching live. Pure gold.
    She used to be a carer, she'll be fine.She has experience in changing diapers and a Foley catheter.

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/us-news/donald-trump-health-fears-surge-35370147
    What pray tell is a 'diaper'?
    An item of clothing Trump wears.

    Are you auditioning to be a High Court judge ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,243
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is bad and all that but…. lol

    Democratic Party Approval Rating

    🟢 Approve: 21% (-49)
    🔴 Disapprove: 70%

    Quinnipiac | June 5-9 | 1,283 RV

    https://x.com/opensourcezone/status/1932861766456738083?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Are they really gonna win the midterms?

    New Quinnipiac poll:

    Trump’s approval:
    Disapprove: 54%
    Approve: 38%

    Trump’s “big, beautiful” bill:
    53% oppose
    27% support

    Handling of immigration:
    54% disapprove
    43% approve
    So Trump, while unpopular, is still miles more popular than the Democrat party? Am I reading this right?

    That polling of the Dems is quite something. Why are they now so loathed?
    Maybe because they let all this happen?
    Gagagate was a such a stupid, avoidable catastrophe. Just tell the old fart he’s too old to run again. Dump Biden. Have primaries. Show some spine

    Idiots
    Sure it was.
    What's the precedent for stopping a sitting President from running again?

    There isn't one.

    Biden fucked up - but as I pointed out at the time, and you still don't appear to understand, it was virtually impossible to do anything about that, before he finally decided to step down.
    LBJ didn't run again.

    Of his own volition. Similarly Truman.

    But there's no precedent in the history of the US for taking down a sitting President - and in this case one still very popular with a large part of his own party - against his will.

    Until the debate, it simply wasn't going to happen.
    Erm, Eugene McCarthy. N Hampshire.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,896
    algarkirk said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    Has anyone noticed how impressive Darren Jones is? Surely worth a flutter on next Labour leader. No known skeletons I hope?

    We can't have a PM called Darren.
    We had one called Liz. :)

    It was Dorian in "Birds of a Feather" who pointed out you should never give a child a name if you couldn't see a monarch with that name. So George yes, but Wayne no.
    I've always thought you should give a child a name they can make their own. Charlotte - Lotty, Charlie, Cherry, ... whatever.
    That's why we went with: Boy One, Girl One, Girl Two.

    Lots of options for personalisation there.
    I always thought it would be bad for them to name them 'Faulty Condom'.
    Could be worse, could be "She told me she was on the pill".
    I always hated the trend of naming kids after where they were conceived.

    Poor little Greggs Car Park never had a chance in life.
    Henry Bolingbroke was never going to come to any good.
    Spare a thought for Fenchurch.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,063

    Tice's partner confirms that Reform thinking is, as alleged by Reeves, that Truss was right and the mini-budget was a brilliant budget.


    Talk
    @TalkTV
    "They were basically destroyed by the blob within weeks."

    Isabel Oakeshott says the country would be in a better place right now if Liz Truss had "held her nerve" alongside Kwasi Kwarteng.

    Kemi is literally praying every night Truss defects to Reform
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,896
    dixiedean said:

    My mother taught twins called Shaun and Sean (pronounced seen).
    That was in the Seventies.

    I remember the first time I realised the difference between Steven and Stephan. And let's not begin on the Mac vs. Mc.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,243
    HYUFD said:

    Tice's partner confirms that Reform thinking is, as alleged by Reeves, that Truss was right and the mini-budget was a brilliant budget.


    Talk
    @TalkTV
    "They were basically destroyed by the blob within weeks."

    Isabel Oakeshott says the country would be in a better place right now if Liz Truss had "held her nerve" alongside Kwasi Kwarteng.

    Kemi is literally praying every night Truss defects to Reform
    Although it is clearly a case of Farage allows Truss to defect me thinks.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,243
    Pet Sounds LP was a bigger hit in UK than the US.

    We know top rock music when we hear it.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,547
    Maybe Liz Truss will team up with Rupert Lowe to form a new party to the right of Reform UK.

    Any news from Stroud, Severn?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,186
    I suspect this bill will be even less popular, if it passes.

    Fox: Here is some recent polling on Trump's budget bill. You have 27% who support, 53% at oppose
    https://x.com/factpostnews/status/1932902208468648195
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,243

    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump
    ·
    22m
    👀 When asked why U.S. military dependents are being authorized to leave the Middle East, Donald Trump replied, “You’ll have to see. Thank you.”
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,710
    Nigelb said:

    Fox state propaganda.

    Duffy: So many of the activists you see on the streets, the Latinos once at least, a lot of them are really ungrateful children of immigrants.. That school district is not about educating. That district, that entire system is about creating a little marxist communist activists, that is what you see on the streets there.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1932897747465875599


    A serious nutter!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,710


    Christopher Snowdon
    @cjsnowdon
    Richard Madeley’s response to this incredible [David Bull, Reform] story is why he is a giant of broadcasting.

    https://x.com/cjsnowdon/status/1932902874373365774

    I'll have quarter of an ounce please....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,243
    Frank Luntz
    @FrankLuntz
    ·
    3h
    While it’s not new or illegal for Customs to detain and question US citizens when they re-enter the country, there appears to be a surge in reports of citizens being detained at airports and asked to give access to their phones and social media accounts.

    https://x.com/FrankLuntz/status/1932891397495140619


    Why would anyone visit this country now?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,547
    Not many places where both the Greens and RefUK are fairly strong.

    "Stroud, Severn

    Green 439
    Con 425
    RefUK 421
    Lab 177
    LD 112
    UKIP 5

    Green gain from Lab

    Green 27.8% (+10)
    Con 26.9% (-6.7)
    RefUK 26.7% (new)
    Lab 11.2% (-21.3)
    LD 7.1% (-12.9)
    UKIP 0.5% (new)"

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/19389/council-elections-deferred-11th-12th?page=5
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,155
    Nigelb said:

    I suspect this bill will be even less popular, if it passes.

    Fox: Here is some recent polling on Trump's budget bill. You have 27% who support, 53% at oppose
    https://x.com/factpostnews/status/1932902208468648195

    I don't know: there's a lot of tax cuts in there.

    In particular, there is the extraordinarily dodgy thing that is the "tip income is no longer taxable". I.e., the cheats charter.

    "Oh sorry IRS, I thought I didn't need to report this payment as it was a gratuity."
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,155
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is bad and all that but…. lol

    Democratic Party Approval Rating

    🟢 Approve: 21% (-49)
    🔴 Disapprove: 70%

    Quinnipiac | June 5-9 | 1,283 RV

    https://x.com/opensourcezone/status/1932861766456738083?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Are they really gonna win the midterms?

    New Quinnipiac poll:

    Trump’s approval:
    Disapprove: 54%
    Approve: 38%

    Trump’s “big, beautiful” bill:
    53% oppose
    27% support

    Handling of immigration:
    54% disapprove
    43% approve
    So Trump, while unpopular, is still miles more popular than the Democrat party? Am I reading this right?

    That polling of the Dems is quite something. Why are they now so loathed?
    Maybe because they let all this happen?
    Gagagate was a such a stupid, avoidable catastrophe. Just tell the old fart he’s too old to run again. Dump Biden. Have primaries. Show some spine

    Idiots
    Sure it was.
    What's the precedent for stopping a sitting President from running again?

    There isn't one.

    Biden fucked up - but as I pointed out at the time, and you still don't appear to understand, it was virtually impossible to do anything about that, before he finally decided to step down.
    Sure there were things that people could have done.

    The problem is that people didn't want to be seen as the one who stabbed Biden in the back. That was seen as political suicide. And the only way you get to a senior political position is by having a keen sense of which way the wind is going. In other words: the local optima for the political operative was to say nothing. The system optima was to put your career on the line and attempt to get Biden to step down, with the threat of going public.

    The debate, of course, was the solution senior Dems came up with. This way they could get rid of Biden by demonstrating his unfitness, without having been seen to have called for his dethroning. The problem - of course - is that doing this required him to be seen to be unfit, which meant that (rightly) people noticed that the President was not up to the job of being President.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,155
    Andy_JS said:

    Not many places where both the Greens and RefUK are fairly strong.

    "Stroud, Severn

    Green 439
    Con 425
    RefUK 421
    Lab 177
    LD 112
    UKIP 5

    Green gain from Lab

    Green 27.8% (+10)
    Con 26.9% (-6.7)
    RefUK 26.7% (new)
    Lab 11.2% (-21.3)
    LD 7.1% (-12.9)
    UKIP 0.5% (new)"

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/19389/council-elections-deferred-11th-12th?page=5

    Not many places where the Conservatives ended up holding onto second place and only losing a fifth of their vote.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,527
    edited June 12

    MattW said:

    Colby, the Def Sec, is a harder line "China not Europe" man, and perhaps an outrider for Trump. I don't see how canning AUKUS would help his China stance - since that is what a lot of Oz having SSNs is about. For an isolationist, it could be one answer to the USA being not very effective at building its own submarines other than very, very slowly.

    I don't think Trump will cancel AUKUS, but the planned sale of Virginia class SSNs to Australia may be for the axe. That was always going to be problematic with, as you say, the US now being so damn slow at building submarines the USN is now desperate for new boats.

    If that's the case I suspect the solution will be for the UK to sell a couple of its Astutes to Australia, and then accelerate the SSN-AUKUS program as much as feasible. That may mean doing more work in the UK than planned and expanding Barrow so the AUKUS hulls can be built while the Dreadnoughts are still in progress.
    Accelerate SSN-AUKUS. Funny.

    I don't think the US will kill it off because they quite want Australia as a reliable satrap in the conflict with China. They will however take the opportunity to jack the price right up in a naked act of extortion. The UK and Australia will pay up because of course they will.

    Naval Group have taken the Shortfin Barracuda project that Australia paid for then binned and sold it to the Dutch Navy as the Orka class. If Australia want to switch back to conventional power, which I guess could happen if the Greens hold the balance of power in 2028, then the program is now more mature and a lot less risky by the standards of these endeavours.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,339
    "It's harder to work out Trump's worldview." I have had some success by treating him as Calvin -- of Calvin and Hobbes:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_and_Hobbes

    (That's not original; HuffPost did something with the idea years ago.)
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