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  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,846

    HIGNFY's problem was going with the guest presenters post-Deayton. Even if they'd only done that for a couple of years as a short-term stop-gap/experiment, they really should have found a new permanent host, as the peak era of the show was founded on the chemistry of Merton/Hislop ribbing Deayton as much as it was actually about the satire of the news and the jokes of the guests.

    Parallel universe time:

    Boris as permanent host of HIGNFY since about 2003.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,995
    Cookie said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    It was an interesting question so thanks also. I still don't think it'll have the same electoral impact because adherents of Militant Islam are small in number (although maybe not in impact) and they don't make up an important caucus of one of only two viable political parties.
    Though sufficiently large in number that they have, what, 5 MPs now and form the opposition on Lancashire County Council.
    And getting larger in number all the time.
    I expect to see plenty of them elected to Bradford council next year.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,557
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,309
    Put that front page on a Tea Towel or T Shirt.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,554
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    That wasn't your question.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,224

    HIGNFY is a relic from a country that no longer exists. It's from the same era as the Big Breakfast with Chris Evans and Gaby Roslin and it's impossible to imagine a show like that being made now.

    Hardly surprising given there isn't the budget to create such a show now..
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,387
    Maybe I'm wrong but I seem to remember that when HIGNFY first started Merton was left-of-centre and Hislop was slightly right-of-centre in order to provide some balance. But over the years he's become increasingly liberal-left as well.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,222
    edited June 6
    To me the big problem with HIGNFY is the dishonest framing. When a politician is on, if he says something funny Ian Hislop will pop up and give a lecture about how it's actually a serious issue. And if the politician says something serious, the whole room stares at them because they said something serious on a comedy show.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,539
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

    Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

    It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.
    Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.
    If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.
    I think @MaxPB's point is that

    1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

    2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

    3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

    It is pathetic. Kill it off
    HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.
    Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

    TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

    Haven't seen it since
    I don’t watch it often, and it’s patchy. Hislop isn’t very funny. But I did watch this evening (prompted by the discussion here). It was a decent one. Jack Dee was on form and Richard Ayoade is a good Deayton style presenter.

    Aside from Jenrick (a slot of maybe 2 minutes) the only other right wing target was Elon Musk vs Trump. Starmer was the target about 4 times, including one particularly cruel quote from Madame Tussaud’s who haven’t made a waxwork of him because they’re not sure he’ll be relevant in 5 years, there was a piece on eco types pretending to be trees at a council meeting, another with Dee expressing exasperation with Greenpeace, and then a variety of totally apolitical sections.

    Yes the comedy level is variable, but the perception here is probably based on politically sensitive types only noticing slights against their own tribe.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,561
    edited June 6
    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

    Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

    It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.
    Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.
    If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.
    I think @MaxPB's point is that

    1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

    2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

    3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

    It is pathetic. Kill it off
    HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.
    Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

    TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

    Haven't seen it since
    You haven't seen your scrotum?
    Yup

    I hope I'm not oversharing? - but after watching Have I Got News For You, season 349, episode 6,287, my scrotum - out of some weird shame at the desperate, sad, cringingly bad lefty Woke non-humour - literally disappeared up my arsehole, and has not been seen since

    I put some photos on local lamp-posts, but I didn't get much response, TBH
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,982
    carnforth said:

    To me the big problem with HIGNFY is the dishonest framing. When a politician is on, if he says something funny Ian Hislop will pop up and give a lecture about how it's actually a serious issue. And if the politician says something serious, the whole room stares at them because they said something serious on a comedy show.

    True. But the mistake the politician has made is being on the show in the first place. Not many pull it off. Charles Kennedy always seemed to make it work, somehow.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 983

    HIGNFY is a relic from a country that no longer exists. It's from the same era as the Big Breakfast with Chris Evans and Gaby Roslin and it's impossible to imagine a show like that being made now.

    I keep saying this but I'd urge people to give the US version of HIGNIFY a try (first series is on iPlayer). It's even more liberal that the UK original but it has a freshness and bite that the UK version hasn't had in ages.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,982
    edited June 6
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

    Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

    It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.
    Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.
    If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.
    I think @MaxPB's point is that

    1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

    2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

    3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

    It is pathetic. Kill it off
    HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.
    Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

    TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

    Haven't seen it since
    You haven't seen your scrotum?
    Yup

    I hope I'm not oversharing? - but after watching Have I Got News For You, season 379, episode 6,284, my scrotum - out of some weird shame at the desperate, sad, cringingly bad lefty Woke non-humour - literally disappeared up my arsehole, and has not been seen since

    I put some photos on local lamp-posts, but I didn't get much response, TBH
    Did it not pop up on that episode where there was a tub of lard on the other side?
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 983
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

    Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

    It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.
    Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.
    If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.
    I think @MaxPB's point is that

    1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

    2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

    3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

    It is pathetic. Kill it off
    HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.
    Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

    TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

    Haven't seen it since
    You haven't seen your scrotum?
    Yup

    I hope I'm not oversharing? - but after watching Have I Got News For You, season 379, episode 6,284, my scrotum - out of some weird shame at the desperate, sad, cringingly bad lefty Woke non-humour - literally disappeared up my arsehole, and has not been seen since

    I put some photos on local lamp-posts, but I didn't get much response, TBH
    If it's only your own scrotum touching your arsehole then you're missing out on a lot of fun.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,222
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

    Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

    It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.
    Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.
    If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.
    I think @MaxPB's point is that

    1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

    2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

    3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

    It is pathetic. Kill it off
    HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.
    Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

    TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

    Haven't seen it since
    You haven't seen your scrotum?
    Yup

    I hope I'm not oversharing? - but after watching Have I Got News For You, season 349, episode 6,287, my scrotum - out of some weird shame at the desperate, sad, cringingly bad lefty Woke non-humour - literally disappeared up my arsehole, and has not been seen since

    I put some photos on local lamp-posts, but I didn't get much response, TBH
    At what age does one's scrotum sag enough that it can reach the arsehole? Asking for a me.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 983

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

    Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

    It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.
    Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.
    If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.
    I think @MaxPB's point is that

    1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

    2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

    3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

    It is pathetic. Kill it off
    HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.
    Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

    TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

    Haven't seen it since
    You haven't seen your scrotum?
    Yup

    I hope I'm not oversharing? - but after watching Have I Got News For You, season 379, episode 6,284, my scrotum - out of some weird shame at the desperate, sad, cringingly bad lefty Woke non-humour - literally disappeared up my arsehole, and has not been seen since

    I put some photos on local lamp-posts, but I didn't get much response, TBH
    Did it not pop up on that episode where there was a tub of lard on the other side?
    The tub of lard was a substitute for Roy Hattersley who kept cancelling at the last minute. HIGNIFY did used to be brilliant back in the day. There's an episode where Clive Anderson evicerates Piers Morgan that I could watch over and over again
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,561
    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

    Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

    It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.
    Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.
    If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.
    I think @MaxPB's point is that

    1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

    2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

    3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

    It is pathetic. Kill it off
    HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.
    Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

    TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

    Haven't seen it since
    I don’t watch it often, and it’s patchy. Hislop isn’t very funny. But I did watch this evening (prompted by the discussion here). It was a decent one. Jack Dee was on form and Richard Ayoade is a good Deayton style presenter.

    Aside from Jenrick (a slot of maybe 2 minutes) the only other right wing target was Elon Musk vs Trump. Starmer was the target about 4 times, including one particularly cruel quote from Madame Tussaud’s who haven’t made a waxwork of him because they’re not sure he’ll be relevant in 5 years, there was a piece on eco types pretending to be trees at a council meeting, another with Dee expressing exasperation with Greenpeace, and then a variety of totally apolitical sections.

    Yes the comedy level is variable, but the perception here is probably based on politically sensitive types only noticing slights against their own tribe.
    It's cowardly and pitiful. Go after Islam, for example: that would be genuinely brave

    Punch UP

    But they won't do that. So I despise them
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,557

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    That wasn't your question.
    It's what they call a clarifier.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,640
    Last year, Ukraine produced about 1,000 drones for every hour of the year, and this year they plan to produce about 40 for every minute. Incredible.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,561
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

    Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

    It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.
    Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.
    If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.
    I think @MaxPB's point is that

    1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

    2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

    3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

    It is pathetic. Kill it off
    HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.
    Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

    TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

    Haven't seen it since
    You haven't seen your scrotum?
    Yup

    I hope I'm not oversharing? - but after watching Have I Got News For You, season 349, episode 6,287, my scrotum - out of some weird shame at the desperate, sad, cringingly bad lefty Woke non-humour - literally disappeared up my arsehole, and has not been seen since

    I put some photos on local lamp-posts, but I didn't get much response, TBH
    At what age does one's scrotum sag enough that it can reach the arsehole? Asking for a me.
    Not yet, but all too soon

    Is my honest answer

    *sigh*
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,135
    IanB2 said:

    Last year, Ukraine produced about 1,000 drones for every hour of the year, and this year they plan to produce about 40 for every minute. Incredible.

    We have so much to learn. The art of war is changing.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,412
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    I'm not White and I don't want to live in a theocracy!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,631
    Scott_xP said:

    @ABC

    EXCLUSIVE: Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, is on his way back to the U.S. to face criminal charges, sources tell ABC News

    https://x.com/ABC/status/1931065257289478396

    If the charges go nowhere he'll be able to make enough from libel actions to retire to Monaco:

    White House: Ábrego García to meet 'full force of American justice'
    published at 21:48

    The White House press secretary has just released a statement about the indictment against Ábrego García. She says the charges prove "the unhinged Democrat Party was wrong, and their stenographers in the Fake News Media were once again played like fools".

    In a statement on X, Karoline Leavitt calls him an "illegal alien terrorist, gang member, and human trafficker".

    She says he will now return to the US to "meet the full force of American justice".
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,926
    edited June 6
    Leon said:

    I don’t like Eastenders but I don’t spend my Friday nights bitching about it

    If we didn't pay for the BBC via a tax, AKA the TV licence, then you'd have a point

    However we do, so you don't

    And I am a supporter of the BBC, I think it is a genuine and salutary example of British soft power: it is remarkable how many non Brits associate the UK with the BBC - in a good way. I meet them all the time on my travels. Indeed "the BBC" is probably the third major aspect of "Britishness" that positively and palpably impinges on the world - alongside British sports (esp the EPL), and British music

    But the BBC really needs to spruce its comedy output, and make some stuff that tackles the Left, Islam, Wokeness, etc. Man up!
    There would have been so much material for comics like Dave Allen and Bob Monkhouse if they were still around today..

    Imagine Dave Allen lampooning Islam like he did Catholicism in the 70s, lol!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,986
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

    Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

    It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.
    Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.
    If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.
    I think @MaxPB's point is that

    1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

    2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

    3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

    It is pathetic. Kill it off
    HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.
    Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

    TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

    Haven't seen it since
    Long time to go without a scrotum.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,180
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

    Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

    It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.
    Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.
    If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.
    I think @MaxPB's point is that

    1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

    2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

    3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

    It is pathetic. Kill it off
    HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.
    Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

    TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

    Haven't seen it since
    Long time to go without a scrotum.
    A bit of a balls up
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,249
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,631
    A quite interesting comment from one of the audience on GB News this evening, whichI listened to on the way to have a look at out 31-years-to-arrive station footbridge (it must have been sent in the post):

    "If Sarah Pochin had replaced "burqa" with "face covering" in her question to the Prime Minister, would Zia Yusuf still be Chairman of Reform?"

    This was her PMQ question:

    Given the prime minister’s desire to strengthen strategic alignment with our European neighbours, will he, in the interest of public safety, follow the lead of France, Belgium, Denmark and others and ban the burqa?”
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,135
    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @ABC

    EXCLUSIVE: Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, is on his way back to the U.S. to face criminal charges, sources tell ABC News

    https://x.com/ABC/status/1931065257289478396

    If the charges go nowhere he'll be able to make enough from libel actions to retire to Monaco:

    White House: Ábrego García to meet 'full force of American justice'
    published at 21:48

    The White House press secretary has just released a statement about the indictment against Ábrego García. She says the charges prove "the unhinged Democrat Party was wrong, and their stenographers in the Fake News Media were once again played like fools".

    In a statement on X, Karoline Leavitt calls him an "illegal alien terrorist, gang member, and human trafficker".

    She says he will now return to the US to "meet the full force of American justice".
    Is the US still the shining city on the hill where the rule of law - a law made collectively and democratically - still is the bedrock?

    Crunch time.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,986
    IanB2 said:

    Last year, Ukraine produced about 1,000 drones for every hour of the year, and this year they plan to produce about 40 for every minute. Incredible.

    That's only 2.4 times as many.
    Good, but not incredible.

    I was more impressed by the fibre optic controlled drone with 50km of cable.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,249

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    Remaining in charge and protecting their privileges.
    Privileges like being the only group who osn't given preferential treatment in job interviews in the public sector, for example?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,704
    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @ABC

    EXCLUSIVE: Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, is on his way back to the U.S. to face criminal charges, sources tell ABC News

    https://x.com/ABC/status/1931065257289478396

    If the charges go nowhere he'll be able to make enough from libel actions to retire to Monaco:

    White House: Ábrego García to meet 'full force of American justice'
    published at 21:48

    The White House press secretary has just released a statement about the indictment against Ábrego García. She says the charges prove "the unhinged Democrat Party was wrong, and their stenographers in the Fake News Media were once again played like fools".

    In a statement on X, Karoline Leavitt calls him an "illegal alien terrorist, gang member, and human trafficker".

    She says he will now return to the US to "meet the full force of American justice".
    Q: You mentioned he had involvement in a murder and was connected with groups involved in a smuggling ring. But the only charges he's facing right now are human smuggling?

    BONDI: He's charged with very serious charges of alien smuggling

    @davidrlurie.bsky.social‬

    So they just gave him a pass on the purported murders? Hmm.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,249

    HIGNFY's problem was going with the guest presenters post-Deayton. Even if they'd only done that for a couple of years as a short-term stop-gap/experiment, they really should have found a new permanent host, as the peak era of the show was founded on the chemistry of Merton/Hislop ribbing Deayton as much as it was actually about the satire of the news and the jokes of the guests.

    Parallel universe time:

    Boris as permanent host of HIGNFY since about 2003.
    I know there are those on here who cannot allow that anything associated with Boris was in any way positive. But the episode he presented was for me the second funniest hour's television I have ever seen. I found it on youtube a few years ago. It's still funny.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,986

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @ABC

    EXCLUSIVE: Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, is on his way back to the U.S. to face criminal charges, sources tell ABC News

    https://x.com/ABC/status/1931065257289478396

    If the charges go nowhere he'll be able to make enough from libel actions to retire to Monaco:

    White House: Ábrego García to meet 'full force of American justice'
    published at 21:48

    The White House press secretary has just released a statement about the indictment against Ábrego García. She says the charges prove "the unhinged Democrat Party was wrong, and their stenographers in the Fake News Media were once again played like fools".

    In a statement on X, Karoline Leavitt calls him an "illegal alien terrorist, gang member, and human trafficker".

    She says he will now return to the US to "meet the full force of American justice".
    Is the US still the shining city on the hill where the rule of law - a law made collectively and democratically - still is the bedrock?

    Crunch time.

    Not an exemplar for sub judice, that's for sure.

    And FWIW, they're finally doing what the "unhinged Democrats" asked them to do.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,557
    I'll say goodnight then. But sleep will not come easily as I contemplate the emergence of a White bloc vote in response to the very real threat of an Islamic takeover of this country of ours with its Muslim population of 6%.

    Thanks a bunch, Max and Leon and William and Andy and Cookie et al.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,135
    Luke Tryl: The biggest barrier to peeps voting for Reform and Farage is his relationship with Trump.

    Every Brit vote segment hates the TACO merchant.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,899
    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    Last year, Ukraine produced about 1,000 drones for every hour of the year, and this year they plan to produce about 40 for every minute. Incredible.

    That's only 2.4 times as many.
    Good, but not incredible.

    I was more impressed by the fibre optic controlled drone with 50km of cable.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FL-boat

    20km of guidance wire in 1918
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,557
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    Remaining in charge and protecting their privileges.
    Privileges like being the only group who osn't given preferential treatment in job interviews in the public sector, for example?
    Can we agree no politics in this weekly "Cookie" column we signed off on the other day?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,387
    This is a list of upcoming local by-elections.

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/post/1630084/thread
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 983
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,631
    edited June 6
    Andy_JS said:

    This is a list of upcoming local by-elections.

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/post/1630084/thread

    Thanks.

    Reform should win several because at least three of them are Reform Councillors who resigned since May 1 having found that their jobs were not compatible with being a Councillor. I don't think any have been held yet.

    (They are still talking about their amazing vetting system.)

    I think Reform are also significantly under threat from others things as well as the attempts to transplant parts of the Trump playbook.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,557
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    And they're all going to vote together against the Muslims and their pinko fellow travellers to head off Sharia Britain? - I can't see it tbh.

    And unlikely as it is, this is still not the White vote coalescing on racial lines. It's more of a non-Muslim and non-lefty vote coalescing on 'failure to assess risk due to prejudice and paranoia' lines.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,631
    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @ABC

    EXCLUSIVE: Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, is on his way back to the U.S. to face criminal charges, sources tell ABC News

    https://x.com/ABC/status/1931065257289478396

    If the charges go nowhere he'll be able to make enough from libel actions to retire to Monaco:

    White House: Ábrego García to meet 'full force of American justice'
    published at 21:48

    The White House press secretary has just released a statement about the indictment against Ábrego García. She says the charges prove "the unhinged Democrat Party was wrong, and their stenographers in the Fake News Media were once again played like fools".

    In a statement on X, Karoline Leavitt calls him an "illegal alien terrorist, gang member, and human trafficker".

    She says he will now return to the US to "meet the full force of American justice".
    Q: You mentioned he had involvement in a murder and was connected with groups involved in a smuggling ring. But the only charges he's facing right now are human smuggling?

    BONDI: He's charged with very serious charges of alien smuggling

    @davidrlurie.bsky.social‬

    So they just gave him a pass on the purported murders? Hmm.
    It seems that the Trump manoeuvre is to bring him back on alleged separate charges, rather than to comply with the potential contempt order.

    Which means that the contempt legal process is still live ....
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,557
    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    I fear the plot is being rather lost in places.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,222
    edited June 6
    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Tbf there's a lot of inter-east-asian racism too. As far as I can work out, everyone hates the Koreans.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,108
    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,072
    edited June 6

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    scampi25 said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    Wishy washy. You don't need a review to decide this. If those are your tests and they are more important than everything else then just say you will leave the ECHR, as Farage has done. There is close to zero market share available that wants a wishy washy exit from the ECHR rather than a bold exit.
    This is the setup to a policy that lays out why we should leave the ECHR. Hopefully it gives a well reasoned and researched paper which shows how remote the Strasbourg court is now from member states and how much sovereignty all countries have handed over to this cabal of judges that are simply accountable to no one. This exercise, like the Cass study, may end up becoming one of the major flashpoints with the ECHR across all of Europe. The Netherlands, France, Italy and Germany have all begun signalling their unhappiness with the current status quo and a serious paper that outlines all of the flaws within these specific points could be a game changer, at least for how a new approach could be taken across Europe and potentially pushing the Strasbourg court down to "advisory" status in some scenarios such as deportation hearings etc...
    The ECHR was set up by the likes of Churchill as a check and balance to the sort of behaviour that allowed the rise of Hitler. It is quite remarkable that when we leave under Farage/ Jenrick/Badenoch/ Robinson we join a tiny band of dictators from Russia and Belarus, until the next elected right wing nutter takes control of another European state.
    Churchill had been retired for years before the Court was established.

    And if we leave it, then we would be joining a plethora of democracies including Albanese's Australia and Carney's Canada in not being a member. Is Carney a dictator?

    The fact that we are on a different continent to Canada is utterly irrelevant. If its good enough for them, there's no reason it can't be good enough for us.
    I know Australia often participate in the Eurovision Song Contest, but since when have they (and Canada) been in Europe? EUROPEAN Convention on Human Rights.

    And whoever gave you a "like" needs a geography lesson.
    You need a reading comprehension lesson.

    I addressed the geography issue already, its utterly irrelevant. It does not matter one jot what continent we are on.

    The whole point of HUMAN Rights is they belong to all HUMANS not all Europeans. We share the same humanity as our cousins in Canada and Australia and elsewhere.

    If they can have human rights protected without the ECHR, so can we.
    You tried to preempt my response, but basically you picked out two compliant non European nations, and I have come back in other posts saying what Court adjudicates on Trump USA misbehaviour? You can't just pick "nice" nations. Tommy Robinson might be our PM by 2029.
    Sure you can pick nice nations.

    Russia was in the ECHR until its most recent invasion of Ukraine. It wasn't even sanctioned by the Council of Europe in 2019, but do you think it had great human rights then? Or were they better in the nice nations like Canada and Australia?

    Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. Not outsourcing it to a foreign court.
    Who is mounting this eternal vigilance?
    The electorate.
    Ah ok. I was hoping you'd come up with something slightly more reassuring.
    God forbid that a liberal lefty might trust the people.
    They need some guard rails, is all.
    What happens when the majority think the guard rails needed are different to the ones you consider necessary?

    A lot of what you lefties for example call for like nationalisation of rail wouldn't be legal under eu rules
    That's not what I mean. I'm talking about enshrining certain fundamentals beyond the whim of politicians. I'll put you down as agreeing since I'm sure you would if we spent hours hashing it out. That's the beauty of knowing you the way I do. We don't need to go through all that.
    No I don't agree, if 90% of the electorate want something they shouldn't be barred from having it implemented because some flouncy accountant's "progressive" principles feel violated
    If 90% want lower taxes, and 90% want more spent on public services, should both wishes be granted?
    In California, the voters pass ballot propositions ensuring

    1. A balanced budget
    2. No tax rises
    3. More to be spent on public services

    And then they complain that politicians are unable to deliver.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,883
    edited June 6
    kinabalu said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    I fear the plot is being rather lost in places.
    I think it would boil down to a battle over resources and therefore geography, rather than sticking to racial lines. Stirling would once again become the keystone of Scotland (after the Forth bridges had been taken out by the Fifers).

    Or would we in Scotland eliminate all the Reform voters, form a Woke Legion and march south? Dunno.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 983
    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,561
    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 983
    carnforth said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Tbf there's a lot of inter-east-asian racism too. As far as I can work out, everyone hates the Koreans.
    Yeah it's really interesting to hear what other East Asian people think of each other. My Singaporean friends think Hong Kongers are stuck up princesses and my Cantonese relatives think Singaporeans are culturally barren mercenaries who are only interested in making money.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 983
    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    They totally would
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,561
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    Remaining in charge and protecting their privileges.
    Privileges like being the only group who osn't given preferential treatment in job interviews in the public sector, for example?
    Can we agree no politics in this weekly "Cookie" column we signed off on the other day?
    Stop being an epicene and patronising dickhead
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,072
    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    I have found that there is incredible diversity of views inside every ethnic and religious group.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,561
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    I have found that there is incredible diversity of views inside every ethnic and religious group.

    Thankyou for radio 4’s “pointlessly inane thought of the day”
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,072
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    I have found that there is incredible diversity of views inside every ethnic and religious group.

    Thankyou for radio 4’s “pointlessly inane thought of the day”
    I'm sorry for injecting a small dose of reality into your "all [x] are [y] worldview".
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,557
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    Remaining in charge and protecting their privileges.
    Privileges like being the only group who osn't given preferential treatment in job interviews in the public sector, for example?
    Can we agree no politics in this weekly "Cookie" column we signed off on the other day?
    Stop being an epicene and patronising dickhead
    If you stop being a slimy polluting disingenuous racist shit-stirrer. Deal?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,883
    edited June 6
    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.

    In terms of elections, appealing to the gerontocracy is far more effective than this culture/race thing.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,561
    carnforth said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Tbf there's a lot of inter-east-asian racism too. As far as I can work out, everyone hates the Koreans.
    I’ve never encountered that. In my experience they all hate the Japanese (for quite good reasons given WW2), fear yet historically revere the Chinese (who also complexly fear the Japanese), and they look with a slightly awed bewilderment at Korea and k-culture

    It’s brilliantly complex. As mad as Europe
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,387
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

    Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

    It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.
    Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.
    If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.
    I think @MaxPB's point is that

    1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

    2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

    3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

    It is pathetic. Kill it off
    HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.
    Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

    TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

    Haven't seen it since
    I try watching it every so often because I'm so hoping that it might magically be more like it used to be in the 90s. It never is, although occasionally you get a presenter who's slightly better at doing the job.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,557
    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    If you pray it won't, how come the message emanating from all your posts on the subject is that you hope it will?

    Serious question.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,222
    Stereodog said:

    carnforth said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Tbf there's a lot of inter-east-asian racism too. As far as I can work out, everyone hates the Koreans.
    Yeah it's really interesting to hear what other East Asian people think of each other. My Singaporean friends think Hong Kongers are stuck up princesses and my Cantonese relatives think Singaporeans are culturally barren mercenaries who are only interested in making money.
    Something to that, though. If you've ever seen a middle-aged Asian lady being rude to staff at an airport, it always turns out to be a Hong Konger or a Singaporean.

    Perhaps it's just because they speak good English, but I've seen it several times.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,557
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Tbf there's a lot of inter-east-asian racism too. As far as I can work out, everyone hates the Koreans.
    I’ve never encountered that. In my experience they all hate the Japanese (for quite good reasons given WW2), fear yet historically revere the Chinese (who also complexly fear the Japanese), and they look with a slightly awed bewilderment at Korea and k-culture

    It’s brilliantly complex. As mad as Europe
    Brilliantly complex yet simplified so concisely and powerfully there.

    Can you pass the salt?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,561
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
    lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 983
    carnforth said:

    Stereodog said:

    carnforth said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Tbf there's a lot of inter-east-asian racism too. As far as I can work out, everyone hates the Koreans.
    Yeah it's really interesting to hear what other East Asian people think of each other. My Singaporean friends think Hong Kongers are stuck up princesses and my Cantonese relatives think Singaporeans are culturally barren mercenaries who are only interested in making money.
    Something to that, though. If you've ever seen a middle-aged Asian lady being rude to staff at an airport, it always turns out to be a Hong Konger or a Singaporean.

    Perhaps it's just because they speak good English, but I've seen it several times.
    Yeah there's always a grain of truth to all stereotypes. Hong Kongers have spent a long time thinking themselves as uniquely blessed among their neighbours. During the Mao years they were infinitely richer than their sometimes starving neighbours and they thought of mainland refugees in a similar way to how Reform voters see asylum seekers on small boats. Even when the Chinese regained possession they thought of themselves as a privileged exception within the Communist system. It's why the recent crackdowns have been so traumatic for them but that sense of superiority dies hard. Of course all of the above is just a generalisation.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,883
    edited June 6
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
    lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

    But we can run more than 100 metres.

    This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

    There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,561
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
    lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

    But we can run more than 100 metres.

    This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

    There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
    I give it 2-4 years

    And remember I was right about Covid
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,387
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.

    In terms of elections, appealing to the gerontocracy is far more effective than this culture/race thing.
    At the by-election it's thought Reform were more popular with younger voters.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,135
    Acyn
    @Acyn
    ·
    25m

    Trump: I hope he does well with Tesla
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,554
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
    lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

    But we can run more than 100 metres.

    This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

    There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
    https://x.com/gbnews/status/1931102213041979504

    'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'

    A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,135
    edited June 6
    SuellaBraverman:

    I think we should follow Belgium and France.

    Hmmm.

    https://x.com/SuellaBraverman
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,387

    SuellaBraverman:

    I think we should follow Belgium and France.

    Hmmm.

    https://x.com/SuellaBraverman

    Do they ban it everywhere or just in certain situations like holding public office?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,776

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    Last year, Ukraine produced about 1,000 drones for every hour of the year, and this year they plan to produce about 40 for every minute. Incredible.

    That's only 2.4 times as many.
    Good, but not incredible.

    I was more impressed by the fibre optic controlled drone with 50km of cable.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FL-boat

    20km of guidance wire in 1918
    Yeah, but on a drone that flies and manoeuvres? I’m sad, and intrigued by the spool.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,776

    SuellaBraverman:

    I think we should follow Belgium and France.

    Hmmm.

    https://x.com/SuellaBraverman

    How does one define it, in law? How is it substantively different to wearing a balaclava and gloves in the winter? Or motorcycle gear? Would we be trying to ban a style of clothing, rather than the principle of covering faces? If that’s the case can we also ban the wearing of shoes with no socks (or trainer socks) unless wearing trainers and shorts?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,135
    Musk: "a country is no different from a person. A country overspends, a country goes bankrupt. Same as a person."

    https://x.com/america/status/1930686343241220280

    Utter bilge economically. A country - especially a reserve currency country - is NOT A PERSON.

    FFS.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,387
    "Neuroscientist explains how social media addiction is destroying our brains | T J Power"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp4JRgQ1VpA
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 897
    Andy_JS said:

    "Neuroscientist explains how social media addiction is destroying our brains | T J Power"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp4JRgQ1VpA

    I've spent ages reading this social media ... to get to this point. Bugger.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506
    MaxPB said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Concern over mass migration is terrorist ideology, says Prevent
    Online guidance says ‘cultural nationalism’ could be a reason for referring someone for deradicalisation
    Charles Hymas, Home Affairs Editor" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/06/06/concern-over-mass-migration-terrorist-ideology-prevent/

    As @Leon said just now, the establishment will try to use the levers of power to outlaw dissent against their agenda. Kemi is right to look at lawfare, but she also needs to look at the establishment using the law to clamp down on dissent and free speech too.
    The other two on that list are fair enough for extremism but not the first.

    If they think that then Prevent better come after me too.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506

    HIGNFY is a relic from a country that no longer exists. It's from the same era as the Big Breakfast with Chris Evans and Gaby Roslin and it's impossible to imagine a show like that being made now.

    You're quite right.

    People don't have breakfast anymore.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506
    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    And, yet, we have an establishment here dedicated to attacking and bad mouthing that one unifying experience all those people have in common.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
    lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

    But we can run more than 100 metres.

    This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

    There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
    https://x.com/gbnews/status/1931102213041979504

    'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'

    A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40
    I apologise for the existence of my children and the threat they pose to the fearful white population of Britain.
    Whiteshift by Eric Kaufmann is an excellent book on this.

    Essentially by 2100, yes, but another 30% or so will be mixed race with other minorities making up the rest.

    His view is that they will 'adopt' British values and culture just like Rishi Sunak, Kemi Badenoch or Matthew Syed has.

    However, he also acknowledges this is scary for many (to be in the minority) and it's of little good mocking or insulting people with such concerns as small-minded or bigoted if we want a comfortable and stable society.

    We need to recognise and engage with it.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,694

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
    lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

    But we can run more than 100 metres.

    This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

    There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
    https://x.com/gbnews/status/1931102213041979504

    'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'

    A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40
    And you know what? I; worried that racist bigots might cause harm to my wife and son because they are not "white British".
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506
    Stereodog said:

    carnforth said:

    Stereodog said:

    carnforth said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Tbf there's a lot of inter-east-asian racism too. As far as I can work out, everyone hates the Koreans.
    Yeah it's really interesting to hear what other East Asian people think of each other. My Singaporean friends think Hong Kongers are stuck up princesses and my Cantonese relatives think Singaporeans are culturally barren mercenaries who are only interested in making money.
    Something to that, though. If you've ever seen a middle-aged Asian lady being rude to staff at an airport, it always turns out to be a Hong Konger or a Singaporean.

    Perhaps it's just because they speak good English, but I've seen it several times.
    Yeah there's always a grain of truth to all stereotypes. Hong Kongers have spent a long time thinking themselves as uniquely blessed among their neighbours. During the Mao years they were infinitely richer than their sometimes starving neighbours and they thought of mainland refugees in a similar way to how Reform voters see asylum seekers on small boats. Even when the Chinese regained possession they thought of themselves as a privileged exception within the Communist system. It's why the recent crackdowns have been so traumatic for them but that sense of superiority dies hard. Of course all of the above is just a generalisation.
    I'm not sure that's the best analogy for you to use if you want us to all be supremely relaxed about the small boat infiltrators across the channel, which you absolutely do.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,694
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
    lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

    But we can run more than 100 metres.

    This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

    There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
    I give it 2-4 years

    And remember I was right about Covid
    You are a racist - as you have shown many times on here - and you are salivating over the thought of a race war in the UK. Of course, you'd just flee to foreign shores when it does happen, in the same way you pathetically fled during Covid.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    Remaining in charge and protecting their privileges.
    Privileges like being the only group who osn't given preferential treatment in job interviews in the public sector, for example?
    Can we agree no politics in this weekly "Cookie" column we signed off on the other day?
    Stop being an epicene and patronising dickhead
    It's the defining feature of being an establishment Liberal.

    As @MaxPB indicated last night they genuinely think they're intellectually and morally superior to everyone else.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506
    Stereodog said:

    carnforth said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Tbf there's a lot of inter-east-asian racism too. As far as I can work out, everyone hates the Koreans.
    Yeah it's really interesting to hear what other East Asian people think of each other. My Singaporean friends think Hong Kongers are stuck up princesses and my Cantonese relatives think Singaporeans are culturally barren mercenaries who are only interested in making money.
    Maybe they're both right?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
    lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

    But we can run more than 100 metres.

    This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

    There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
    I give it 2-4 years

    And remember I was right about Covid
    You are a racist - as you have shown many times on here - and you are salivating over the thought of a race war in the UK. Of course, you'd just flee to foreign shores when it does happen, in the same way you pathetically fled during Covid.
    Steady on.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,694

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
    lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

    But we can run more than 100 metres.

    This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

    There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
    I give it 2-4 years

    And remember I was right about Covid
    You are a racist - as you have shown many times on here - and you are salivating over the thought of a race war in the UK. Of course, you'd just flee to foreign shores when it does happen, in the same way you pathetically fled during Covid.
    Steady on.
    Are you saying Leon is not a racist?

    Have you heard him witter on about the great replacement theory, or his belief that black people have a lower IQ?

    What are they, if not racist?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,855

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
    lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

    But we can run more than 100 metres.

    This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

    There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
    I give it 2-4 years

    And remember I was right about Covid
    You are a racist - as you have shown many times on here - and you are salivating over the thought of a race war in the UK. Of course, you'd just flee to foreign shores when it does happen, in the same way you pathetically fled during Covid.
    Another evening of preaching race war, great replacement conspiracy theory and Islamophobia.

    If PB degenerates into another Social Media cesspool of hate it will be sad. It can and should be a lot better than that.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,694

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    Remaining in charge and protecting their privileges.
    Privileges like being the only group who osn't given preferential treatment in job interviews in the public sector, for example?
    Can we agree no politics in this weekly "Cookie" column we signed off on the other day?
    Stop being an epicene and patronising dickhead
    It's the defining feature of being an establishment Liberal.

    As @MaxPB indicated last night they genuinely think they're intellectually and morally superior to everyone else.
    Since you are keen on grouping people, if not a "establishment Liberal", what group(s) would say you belong in?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,855

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    Remaining in charge and protecting their privileges.
    Privileges like being the only group who osn't given preferential treatment in job interviews in the public sector, for example?
    Can we agree no politics in this weekly "Cookie" column we signed off on the other day?
    Stop being an epicene and patronising dickhead
    It's the defining feature of being an establishment Liberal.

    As @MaxPB indicated last night they genuinely think they're intellectually and morally superior to everyone else.
    I would sincerely say that I think the vast majority of the British people are better than the bilge being posted last night.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,855

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
    lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

    But we can run more than 100 metres.

    This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

    There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
    https://x.com/gbnews/status/1931102213041979504

    'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'

    A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40
    I apologise for the existence of my children and the threat they pose to the fearful white population of Britain.
    Whiteshift by Eric Kaufmann is an excellent book on this.

    Essentially by 2100, yes, but another 30% or so will be mixed race with other minorities making up the rest.

    His view is that they will 'adopt' British values and culture just like Rishi Sunak, Kemi Badenoch or Matthew Syed has.

    However, he also acknowledges this is scary for many (to be in the minority) and it's of little good mocking or insulting people with such concerns as small-minded or bigoted if we want a comfortable and stable society.

    We need to recognise and engage with it.
    If 30% of the population will be "mixed race" (I prefer multiple heritage) surely that is a good thing, and shows willingness to integrate? A willingness of both white and ethnic minorities? Isn't that the opposite of race war, for all but "one drop" extremists?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
    lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

    But we can run more than 100 metres.

    This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

    There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
    I give it 2-4 years

    And remember I was right about Covid
    You are a racist - as you have shown many times on here - and you are salivating over the thought of a race war in the UK. Of course, you'd just flee to foreign shores when it does happen, in the same way you pathetically fled during Covid.
    Steady on.
    Are you saying Leon is not a racist?

    Have you heard him witter on about the great replacement theory, or his belief that black people have a lower IQ?

    What are they, if not racist?
    I don't think he is a racist.

    I do think you have an unpleasant habit of making your political arguments with other posters on here deeply personal.

    It's unnecessary and totally uncalled for.

    And you've been called out for it repeatedly.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    Remaining in charge and protecting their privileges.
    Privileges like being the only group who osn't given preferential treatment in job interviews in the public sector, for example?
    Can we agree no politics in this weekly "Cookie" column we signed off on the other day?
    Stop being an epicene and patronising dickhead
    It's the defining feature of being an establishment Liberal.

    As @MaxPB indicated last night they genuinely think they're intellectually and morally superior to everyone else.
    Since you are keen on grouping people, if not a "establishment Liberal", what group(s) would say you belong in?
    I suggest you log off, and calm down.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506
    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
    lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

    But we can run more than 100 metres.

    This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

    There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
    https://x.com/gbnews/status/1931102213041979504

    'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'

    A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40
    I apologise for the existence of my children and the threat they pose to the fearful white population of Britain.
    Whiteshift by Eric Kaufmann is an excellent book on this.

    Essentially by 2100, yes, but another 30% or so will be mixed race with other minorities making up the rest.

    His view is that they will 'adopt' British values and culture just like Rishi Sunak, Kemi Badenoch or Matthew Syed has.

    However, he also acknowledges this is scary for many (to be in the minority) and it's of little good mocking or insulting people with such concerns as small-minded or bigoted if we want a comfortable and stable society.

    We need to recognise and engage with it.
    If 30% of the population will be "mixed race" (I prefer multiple heritage) surely that is a good thing, and shows willingness to integrate? A willingness of both white and ethnic minorities? Isn't that the opposite of race war, for all but "one drop" extremists?
    Read the book.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,855

    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
    lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

    But we can run more than 100 metres.

    This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

    There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
    https://x.com/gbnews/status/1931102213041979504

    'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'

    A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40
    I apologise for the existence of my children and the threat they pose to the fearful white population of Britain.
    Whiteshift by Eric Kaufmann is an excellent book on this.

    Essentially by 2100, yes, but another 30% or so will be mixed race with other minorities making up the rest.

    His view is that they will 'adopt' British values and culture just like Rishi Sunak, Kemi Badenoch or Matthew Syed has.

    However, he also acknowledges this is scary for many (to be in the minority) and it's of little good mocking or insulting people with such concerns as small-minded or bigoted if we want a comfortable and stable society.

    We need to recognise and engage with it.
    If 30% of the population will be "mixed race" (I prefer multiple heritage) surely that is a good thing, and shows willingness to integrate? A willingness of both white and ethnic minorities? Isn't that the opposite of race war, for all but "one drop" extremists?
    Read the book.
    I already have.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    MaxPB said:

    Stereodog said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Some data to chew over:


    2024 Presidential Election

    Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

    White Men: Trump garnered 60%

    White Women: Trump received 53%

    White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

    White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


    Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

    Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

    Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
    At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

    I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

    So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
    So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
    How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
    How is that a Whites only interest?
    Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
    I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
    Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

    I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
    Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
    My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

    It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
    In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
    lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

    But we can run more than 100 metres.

    This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

    There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
    https://x.com/gbnews/status/1931102213041979504

    'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'

    A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40
    I apologise for the existence of my children and the threat they pose to the fearful white population of Britain.
    Whiteshift by Eric Kaufmann is an excellent book on this.

    Essentially by 2100, yes, but another 30% or so will be mixed race with other minorities making up the rest.

    His view is that they will 'adopt' British values and culture just like Rishi Sunak, Kemi Badenoch or Matthew Syed has.

    However, he also acknowledges this is scary for many (to be in the minority) and it's of little good mocking or insulting people with such concerns as small-minded or bigoted if we want a comfortable and stable society.

    We need to recognise and engage with it.
    If 30% of the population will be "mixed race" (I prefer multiple heritage) surely that is a good thing, and shows willingness to integrate? A willingness of both white and ethnic minorities? Isn't that the opposite of race war, for all but "one drop" extremists?
    Read the book.
    I already have.
    Good. The point is that lots of people will naturally be concerned about this. And you have to engage with it.

    You can't just throw off lines like "racist" and "cesspool of hate".
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