Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
Remaining in charge and protecting their privileges.
Privileges like being the only group who osn't given preferential treatment in job interviews in the public sector, for example?
Can we agree no politics in this weekly "Cookie" column we signed off on the other day?
Stop being an epicene and patronising dickhead
It's the defining feature of being an establishment Liberal.
As @MaxPB indicated last night they genuinely think they're intellectually and morally superior to everyone else.
I would sincerely say that I think the vast majority of the British people are better than the bilge being posted last night.
You have to wonder about Zia Yusuf, who seems to have been remarkably blind to what he was helping to fund and build.
Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
Remaining in charge and protecting their privileges.
Privileges like being the only group who osn't given preferential treatment in job interviews in the public sector, for example?
Can we agree no politics in this weekly "Cookie" column we signed off on the other day?
Stop being an epicene and patronising dickhead
It's the defining feature of being an establishment Liberal.
As @MaxPB indicated last night they genuinely think they're intellectually and morally superior to everyone else.
Since you are keen on grouping people, if not a "establishment Liberal", what group(s) would say you belong in?
I suggest you log off, and calm down.
LOL. I am calm, thanks. Having a nice cup of coffee after a good night's sleep.
I'd quite like to hear your response to the question I posed. You are very keen on putting people into groups (particularly groups you do not like), so which group9s) would you say you belong in?
Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
How is that a Whites only interest?
Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.
I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance
It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise
This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).
There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
I give it 2-4 years
And remember I was right about Covid
You are a racist - as you have shown many times on here - and you are salivating over the thought of a race war in the UK. Of course, you'd just flee to foreign shores when it does happen, in the same way you pathetically fled during Covid.
Steady on.
Are you saying Leon is not a racist?
Have you heard him witter on about the great replacement theory, or his belief that black people have a lower IQ?
What are they, if not racist?
I don't think he is a racist.
I do think you have an unpleasant habit of making your political arguments with other posters on here deeply personal.
It's unnecessary and totally uncalled for.
And you've been called out for it repeatedly.
Fair enough. You don't think Leon is racist *despite* all of that. I think you're deeply wrong.
In which case, I do wonder what you do count as being racist?
AS for your other comments: take the plank out of your eye.
Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
Remaining in charge and protecting their privileges.
Privileges like being the only group who osn't given preferential treatment in job interviews in the public sector, for example?
Can we agree no politics in this weekly "Cookie" column we signed off on the other day?
Stop being an epicene and patronising dickhead
It's the defining feature of being an establishment Liberal.
As @MaxPB indicated last night they genuinely think they're intellectually and morally superior to everyone else.
Since you are keen on grouping people, if not a "establishment Liberal", what group(s) would say you belong in?
I suggest you log off, and calm down.
LOL. I am calm, thanks. Having a nice cup of coffee after a good night's sleep.
I'd quite like to hear your response to the question I posed. You are very keen on putting people into groups (particularly groups you do not like), so which group9s) would you say you belong in?
Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
How is that a Whites only interest?
Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.
I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance
It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise
This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).
There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
I give it 2-4 years
And remember I was right about Covid
You are a racist - as you have shown many times on here - and you are salivating over the thought of a race war in the UK. Of course, you'd just flee to foreign shores when it does happen, in the same way you pathetically fled during Covid.
Steady on.
Are you saying Leon is not a racist?
Have you heard him witter on about the great replacement theory, or his belief that black people have a lower IQ?
What are they, if not racist?
I don't think he is a racist.
I do think you have an unpleasant habit of making your political arguments with other posters on here deeply personal.
It's unnecessary and totally uncalled for.
And you've been called out for it repeatedly.
Fair enough. You don't think Leon is racist *despite* all of that. I think you're deeply wrong.
In which case, I do wonder what you do count as being racist?
AS for your other comments: take the plank out of your eye.
And as for 'deeply personal', some people start wittering on about others not being 'white British', as if they are a danger.
Well, that is deeply personal to many of us on here. My wife is not white British. (Whether she is 'white' or not would probably depend on the amount of sunshine she'd seen recently). As his mother is an immigrant, my son would not fit in the 'white British' segment that some seem so concerned about.
Yet both, I might hazard to suggest, are very well integrated. Yet integration, or even worth, means f-all when the categories are that broad.
Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
How is that a Whites only interest?
Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.
I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance
It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise
This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).
There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
I give it 2-4 years
And remember I was right about Covid
You are a racist - as you have shown many times on here - and you are salivating over the thought of a race war in the UK. Of course, you'd just flee to foreign shores when it does happen, in the same way you pathetically fled during Covid.
Steady on.
Are you saying Leon is not a racist?
Have you heard him witter on about the great replacement theory, or his belief that black people have a lower IQ?
What are they, if not racist?
I don't think he is a racist.
I do think you have an unpleasant habit of making your political arguments with other posters on here deeply personal.
It's unnecessary and totally uncalled for.
And you've been called out for it repeatedly.
Fair enough. You don't think Leon is racist *despite* all of that. I think you're deeply wrong.
In which case, I do wonder what you do count as being racist?
AS for your other comments: take the plank out of your eye.
And as for 'deeply personal', some people start wittering on about others not being 'white British', as if they are a danger.
Well, that is deeply personal to many of us on here. My wife is not white British. (Whether she is 'white' or not would probably depend on the amount of sunshine she'd seen recently). As his mother is an immigrant, my son would not fit in the 'white British' segment that some seem so concerned about.
Yet both, I might hazard to suggest, are very well integrated. Yet integration, or even worth, means f-all when the categories are that broad.
Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
How is that a Whites only interest?
Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.
I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance
It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise
This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).
There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
I give it 2-4 years
And remember I was right about Covid
You are a racist - as you have shown many times on here - and you are salivating over the thought of a race war in the UK. Of course, you'd just flee to foreign shores when it does happen, in the same way you pathetically fled during Covid.
Steady on.
Are you saying Leon is not a racist?
Have you heard him witter on about the great replacement theory, or his belief that black people have a lower IQ?
What are they, if not racist?
I don't think he is a racist.
I do think you have an unpleasant habit of making your political arguments with other posters on here deeply personal.
It's unnecessary and totally uncalled for.
And you've been called out for it repeatedly.
Fair enough. You don't think Leon is racist *despite* all of that. I think you're deeply wrong.
In which case, I do wonder what you do count as being racist?
AS for your other comments: take the plank out of your eye.
Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
How is that a Whites only interest?
Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.
I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance
It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise
This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).
There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
I give it 2-4 years
And remember I was right about Covid
You are a racist - as you have shown many times on here - and you are salivating over the thought of a race war in the UK. Of course, you'd just flee to foreign shores when it does happen, in the same way you pathetically fled during Covid.
Steady on.
Are you saying Leon is not a racist?
Have you heard him witter on about the great replacement theory, or his belief that black people have a lower IQ?
What are they, if not racist?
I don't think he is a racist.
I do think you have an unpleasant habit of making your political arguments with other posters on here deeply personal.
It's unnecessary and totally uncalled for.
And you've been called out for it repeatedly.
Fair enough. You don't think Leon is racist *despite* all of that. I think you're deeply wrong.
In which case, I do wonder what you do count as being racist?
AS for your other comments: take the plank out of your eye.
It's a wonder your wife puts up with you.
She must be a very patient woman.
Really?
You're still married, aren't you?
Yes. Happily.
(And she sometimes reads PB, which often makes her laugh.)
My 'really' was in response to your going down that particular line.
And as for 'deeply personal', some people start wittering on about others not being 'white British', as if they are a danger.
Well, that is deeply personal to many of us on here. My wife is not white British. (Whether she is 'white' or not would probably depend on the amount of sunshine she'd seen recently). As his mother is an immigrant, my son would not fit in the 'white British' segment that some seem so concerned about.
Yet both, I might hazard to suggest, are very well integrated. Yet integration, or even worth, means f-all when the categories are that broad.
My wife isn't white British either.
Calm down.
Then she, and your kids, are not in the 'white British' category that seems to have got some people concerned.
Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
How is that a Whites only interest?
Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.
I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance
It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise
This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).
There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
I give it 2-4 years
And remember I was right about Covid
You are a racist - as you have shown many times on here - and you are salivating over the thought of a race war in the UK. Of course, you'd just flee to foreign shores when it does happen, in the same way you pathetically fled during Covid.
Steady on.
Are you saying Leon is not a racist?
Have you heard him witter on about the great replacement theory, or his belief that black people have a lower IQ?
What are they, if not racist?
I don't think he is a racist.
I do think you have an unpleasant habit of making your political arguments with other posters on here deeply personal.
It's unnecessary and totally uncalled for.
And you've been called out for it repeatedly.
Fair enough. You don't think Leon is racist *despite* all of that. I think you're deeply wrong.
In which case, I do wonder what you do count as being racist?
AS for your other comments: take the plank out of your eye.
It's a wonder your wife puts up with you.
She must be a very patient woman.
Really?
You're still married, aren't you?
Yes. Happily.
(And she sometimes reads PB, which often makes her laugh.)
My 'really' was in response to your going down that particular line.
Just giving you a taste of your own medicine. Not nice, is it?
Anyway, I've had enough fun for the morning. See you later.
Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
How is that a Whites only interest?
Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.
I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance
It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise
This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).
There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'
A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40
I apologise for the existence of my children and the threat they pose to the fearful white population of Britain.
Whiteshift by Eric Kaufmann is an excellent book on this.
Essentially by 2100, yes, but another 30% or so will be mixed race with other minorities making up the rest.
His view is that they will 'adopt' British values and culture just like Rishi Sunak, Kemi Badenoch or Matthew Syed has.
However, he also acknowledges this is scary for many (to be in the minority) and it's of little good mocking or insulting people with such concerns as small-minded or bigoted if we want a comfortable and stable society.
We need to recognise and engage with it.
If 30% of the population will be "mixed race" (I prefer multiple heritage) surely that is a good thing, and shows willingness to integrate? A willingness of both white and ethnic minorities? Isn't that the opposite of race war, for all but "one drop" extremists?
Read the book.
I already have.
Good. The point is that lots of people will naturally be concerned about this. And you have to engage with it.
You can't just throw off lines like "racist" and "cesspool of hate".
I haven't accused anyone of being racist., but it was a cesspool of hate last night.
If you think that an acceptable expression of "white identity" then I would want to point out that as a white Briton those views are anathema to my identity.
Ethno-nationalists falsely assume that they speak for their entire ethnicity. They do not, and I deplore that sort of Identity politics.
Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
How is that a Whites only interest?
Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.
I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance
It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise
This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).
There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
I give it 2-4 years
And remember I was right about Covid
You are a racist - as you have shown many times on here - and you are salivating over the thought of a race war in the UK. Of course, you'd just flee to foreign shores when it does happen, in the same way you pathetically fled during Covid.
Steady on.
Are you saying Leon is not a racist?
Have you heard him witter on about the great replacement theory, or his belief that black people have a lower IQ?
What are they, if not racist?
I don't think he is a racist.
I do think you have an unpleasant habit of making your political arguments with other posters on here deeply personal.
It's unnecessary and totally uncalled for.
And you've been called out for it repeatedly.
Fair enough. You don't think Leon is racist *despite* all of that. I think you're deeply wrong.
In which case, I do wonder what you do count as being racist?
AS for your other comments: take the plank out of your eye.
It's a wonder your wife puts up with you.
She must be a very patient woman.
Really?
You're still married, aren't you?
Yes. Happily.
(And she sometimes reads PB, which often makes her laugh.)
My 'really' was in response to your going down that particular line.
Just giving you a taste of your own medicine. Not nice, is it?
Anyway, I've had enough fun for the morning. See you later.
Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
How is that a Whites only interest?
Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.
I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance
It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise
This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).
There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'
A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40
That projection is a Matt Goodwin special, via his Visiting Professorship at the University of Buckingham at in a thing called the "Centre of Heterodox Social Science https://www.heterodoxcentre.com". It was fed to the Telegraph and similar news outlets.
Even the Telegraph call it a "claim".
He indulged in a strange simulation of future populations, with some peculiar assumptions. It's more a think tank type report than an academic report.
For example he excludes the census "White Other" category from his "White British" numbers *. That excludes eg, as far as I can see, Nigel Farage's children with his German wife, who are British citizens. I'd say Goodwin seems to have a strange thing about mixed marriages, even white-white mixed marriages, which should fit his race politics template.
If we have an academic social scientist here, I'd welcome an evaluation of Goodwin's report. (@Selebian ?)
This all leaves aside that it is absolutely basic that skin colour means nothing about anything in terms of how individual people act. The only ones interested in it are those who think they can benefit from driving wedges, and skin colour is a convenient thing to focus on, as it was 100 years ago.
Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
How is that a Whites only interest?
Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.
I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance
It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise
This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).
There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
How is that a Whites only interest?
Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.
I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance
It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise
This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).
There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'
A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40
And you know what? I; worried that racist bigots might cause harm to my wife and son because they are not "white British".
As I said in my other comment it's Matt Goodwin, and imo is in the category "ideology based evidence".
It's obvious b/s. Yet people on here quite seem to like it; at least enough to keep on posting it.
A lot of harm is done by this sort of thing; it is a part of a slow drip-drip of stuff that will, if we are not careful, lead to a not very good place.
Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
How is that a Whites only interest?
Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.
I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance
It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise
This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).
There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'
A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40
I apologise for the existence of my children and the threat they pose to the fearful white population of Britain.
Whiteshift by Eric Kaufmann is an excellent book on this.
Essentially by 2100, yes, but another 30% or so will be mixed race with other minorities making up the rest.
His view is that they will 'adopt' British values and culture just like Rishi Sunak, Kemi Badenoch or Matthew Syed has.
However, he also acknowledges this is scary for many (to be in the minority) and it's of little good mocking or insulting people with such concerns as small-minded or bigoted if we want a comfortable and stable society.
We need to recognise and engage with it.
If 30% of the population will be "mixed race" (I prefer multiple heritage) surely that is a good thing, and shows willingness to integrate? A willingness of both white and ethnic minorities? Isn't that the opposite of race war, for all but "one drop" extremists?
Read the book.
I already have.
Good. The point is that lots of people will naturally be concerned about this. And you have to engage with it.
You can't just throw off lines like "racist" and "cesspool of hate".
I haven't accused anyone of being racist., but it was a cesspool of hate last night.
If you think that an acceptable expression of "white identity" then I would want to point out that as a white Briton those views are anathema to my identity.
Ethno-nationalists falsely assume that they speak for their entire ethnicity. They do not, and I deplore that sort of Identity politics.
Do you feel better now for having virtue-signalled how "unracist" you are?
Bet you couldn't believe you luck when you logged-on this morning: you must have rubbed your hands in glee, and revelled in the delight at the opportunity.
Maybe have an extra wank to deal with all that establishment Liberal excitement of yours.
Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
How is that a Whites only interest?
Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.
I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance
It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise
This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).
There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'
A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40
I apologise for the existence of my children and the threat they pose to the fearful white population of Britain.
Whiteshift by Eric Kaufmann is an excellent book on this.
Essentially by 2100, yes, but another 30% or so will be mixed race with other minorities making up the rest.
His view is that they will 'adopt' British values and culture just like Rishi Sunak, Kemi Badenoch or Matthew Syed has.
However, he also acknowledges this is scary for many (to be in the minority) and it's of little good mocking or insulting people with such concerns as small-minded or bigoted if we want a comfortable and stable society.
We need to recognise and engage with it.
If 30% of the population will be "mixed race" (I prefer multiple heritage) surely that is a good thing, and shows willingness to integrate? A willingness of both white and ethnic minorities? Isn't that the opposite of race war, for all but "one drop" extremists?
Read the book.
I already have.
Good. The point is that lots of people will naturally be concerned about this. And you have to engage with it.
You can't just throw off lines like "racist" and "cesspool of hate".
I haven't accused anyone of being racist., but it was a cesspool of hate last night.
If you think that an acceptable expression of "white identity" then I would want to point out that as a white Briton those views are anathema to my identity.
Ethno-nationalists falsely assume that they speak for their entire ethnicity. They do not, and I deplore that sort of Identity politics.
Do you feel better now for having virtue-signalled how "unracist" you are?
Bet you couldn't believe you luck when you logged-on this morning: you must have rubbed your hands in glee, and revelled in the delight at the opportunity.
Maybe have an extra wank to deal with all that establishment Liberal excitement of yours.
Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%
White Men: Trump garnered 60%
White Women: Trump received 53%
White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%
White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%
Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else
Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome
Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.
At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks
I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not
So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time
So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?
How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?
How is that a Whites only interest?
Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.
I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.
Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.
I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.
Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.
My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance
It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous
In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.
lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise
This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).
There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.
'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'
A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40
I apologise for the existence of my children and the threat they pose to the fearful white population of Britain.
Whiteshift by Eric Kaufmann is an excellent book on this.
Essentially by 2100, yes, but another 30% or so will be mixed race with other minorities making up the rest.
His view is that they will 'adopt' British values and culture just like Rishi Sunak, Kemi Badenoch or Matthew Syed has.
However, he also acknowledges this is scary for many (to be in the minority) and it's of little good mocking or insulting people with such concerns as small-minded or bigoted if we want a comfortable and stable society.
We need to recognise and engage with it.
If 30% of the population will be "mixed race" (I prefer multiple heritage) surely that is a good thing, and shows willingness to integrate? A willingness of both white and ethnic minorities? Isn't that the opposite of race war, for all but "one drop" extremists?
Read the book.
I already have.
Good. The point is that lots of people will naturally be concerned about this. And you have to engage with it.
You can't just throw off lines like "racist" and "cesspool of hate".
I haven't accused anyone of being racist., but it was a cesspool of hate last night.
If you think that an acceptable expression of "white identity" then I would want to point out that as a white Briton those views are anathema to my identity.
Ethno-nationalists falsely assume that they speak for their entire ethnicity. They do not, and I deplore that sort of Identity politics.
Do you feel better now for having virtue-signalled how "unracist" you are?
Bet you couldn't believe you luck when you logged-on this morning: you must have rubbed your hands in glee, and revelled in the delight at the opportunity.
Maybe have an extra wank to deal with all that establishment Liberal excitement of yours.
I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.
Maybe it requires a theory of mind, to understand that some people in this country (roughly half of them) are not right wing, and don’t see the world as right wing people do.
No, it's just that Hislop is a dickhead and should have been pensioned off years ago. Ordinary people were and are on Jenrick's side wrt low level crime and they're mostly glad that he did something to highlight how ridiculous it's become. That he's a target for the BBC shows how out of touch they are. I guess it gets them a couple of laughs from the people in the audience who love the smell of their own farts...
You're old and wizened before your time! I thought it a particularly watchable HIGNFY last night with plenty of the self deprecating humour the British are known for. If you think lampooning Jenrick for his publicity stunt was insulting 'ordinary people' who might have agreed with him then your understanding of 'British Humour' is very different from the one that has made it famous throughout the world.
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I'd quite like to hear your response to the question I posed. You are very keen on putting people into groups (particularly groups you do not like), so which group9s) would you say you belong in?
In which case, I do wonder what you do count as being racist?
AS for your other comments: take the plank out of your eye.
She must be a very patient woman.
Well, that is deeply personal to many of us on here. My wife is not white British. (Whether she is 'white' or not would probably depend on the amount of sunshine she'd seen recently). As his mother is an immigrant, my son would not fit in the 'white British' segment that some seem so concerned about.
Yet both, I might hazard to suggest, are very well integrated. Yet integration, or even worth, means f-all when the categories are that broad.
Calm down.
NEW THREAD
(And she sometimes reads PB, which often makes her laugh.)
My 'really' was in response to your going down that particular line.
Anyway, I've had enough fun for the morning. See you later.
When you've calmed down, which you will.
If you think that an acceptable expression of "white identity" then I would want to point out that as a white Briton those views are anathema to my identity.
Ethno-nationalists falsely assume that they speak for their entire ethnicity. They do not, and I deplore that sort of Identity politics.
Even the Telegraph call it a "claim".
He indulged in a strange simulation of future populations, with some peculiar assumptions. It's more a think tank type report than an academic report.
For example he excludes the census "White Other" category from his "White British" numbers *. That excludes eg, as far as I can see, Nigel Farage's children with his German wife, who are British citizens. I'd say Goodwin seems to have a strange thing about mixed marriages, even white-white mixed marriages, which should fit his race politics template.
If we have an academic social scientist here, I'd welcome an evaluation of Goodwin's report. (@Selebian ?)
This all leaves aside that it is absolutely basic that skin colour means nothing about anything in terms of how individual people act. The only ones interested in it are those who think they can benefit from driving wedges, and skin colour is a convenient thing to focus on, as it was 100 years ago.
* The "Appendix: UK Population Projections by selected characteristics, 2022–2122 " in his report, which can be found here:
https://www.heterodoxcentre.com/wp-content/uploads/3-CHSS-Goodwin.pdf
A lot of harm is done by this sort of thing; it is a part of a slow drip-drip of stuff that will, if we are not careful, lead to a not very good place.
Bet you couldn't believe you luck when you logged-on this morning: you must have rubbed your hands in glee, and revelled in the delight at the opportunity.
Maybe have an extra wank to deal with all that establishment Liberal excitement of yours.
Delicious. 😋