Would Labour had an even bigger majority without this front page and strategy by the SNP?

Cookie said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

It was an interesting question so thanks also. I still don't think it'll have the same electoral impact because adherents of Militant Islam are small in number (although maybe not in impact) and they don't make up an important caucus of one of only two viable political parties.

Though sufficiently large in number that they have, what, 5 MPs now and form the opposition on Lancashire County Council.
And getting larger in number all the time.

I expect to see plenty of them elected to Bradford council next year.

Put that front page on a Tea Towel or T Shirt.

williamglenn said:

HIGNFY is a relic from a country that no longer exists. It's from the same era as the Big Breakfast with Chris Evans and Gaby Roslin and it's impossible to imagine a show like that being made now.

Hardly surprising given there isn't the budget to create such a show now..

Maybe I'm wrong but I seem to remember that when HIGNFY first started Merton was left-of-centre and Hislop was slightly right-of-centre in order to provide some balance. But over the years he's become increasingly liberal-left as well.

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

MaxPB said:

Eabhal said:

MaxPB said:

I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.

Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.

If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.

I think @MaxPB's point is that

1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

It is pathetic. Kill it off

HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.

Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

Haven't seen it since

I don’t watch it often, and it’s patchy. Hislop isn’t very funny. But I did watch this evening (prompted by the discussion here). It was a decent one. Jack Dee was on form and Richard Ayoade is a good Deayton style presenter.

Aside from Jenrick (a slot of maybe 2 minutes) the only other right wing target was Elon Musk vs Trump. Starmer was the target about 4 times, including one particularly cruel quote from Madame Tussaud’s who haven’t made a waxwork of him because they’re not sure he’ll be relevant in 5 years, there was a piece on eco types pretending to be trees at a council meeting, another with Dee expressing exasperation with Greenpeace, and then a variety of totally apolitical sections.

Yes the comedy level is variable, but the perception here is probably based on politically sensitive types only noticing slights against their own tribe.

carnforth said:

To me the big problem with HIGNFY is the dishonest framing. When a politician is on, if he says something funny Ian Hislop will pop up and give a lecture about how it's actually a serious issue. And if the politician says something serious, the whole room stares at them because they said something serious on a comedy show.

True. But the mistake the politician has made is being on the show in the first place. Not many pull it off. Charles Kennedy always seemed to make it work, somehow.

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

MaxPB said:

Eabhal said:

MaxPB said:

I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.

Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.

If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.

I think @MaxPB's point is that

1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

It is pathetic. Kill it off

HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.

Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

Haven't seen it since

You haven't seen your scrotum?

Yup

I hope I'm not oversharing? - but after watching Have I Got News For You, season 379, episode 6,284, my scrotum - out of some weird shame at the desperate, sad, cringingly bad lefty Woke non-humour - literally disappeared up my arsehole, and has not been seen since

I put some photos on local lamp-posts, but I didn't get much response, TBH

Did it not pop up on that episode where there was a tub of lard on the other side?

I saw that Steve Clarke made a courageous choice of substitute goalie this evening.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14788735/Poor-Cieran-Slicker-Scotland-boss-Steve-Clarke-responsible-throwing-young-keeper-game-clearly-wasnt-ready-nine-minutes-action-season.html

solarflare said:

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

MaxPB said:

Eabhal said:

MaxPB said:

I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.

Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.

If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.

I think @MaxPB's point is that

1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

It is pathetic. Kill it off

HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.

Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

Haven't seen it since

You haven't seen your scrotum?

Yup

I hope I'm not oversharing? - but after watching Have I Got News For You, season 379, episode 6,284, my scrotum - out of some weird shame at the desperate, sad, cringingly bad lefty Woke non-humour - literally disappeared up my arsehole, and has not been seen since

I put some photos on local lamp-posts, but I didn't get much response, TBH

Did it not pop up on that episode where there was a tub of lard on the other side?

The tub of lard was a substitute for Roy Hattersley who kept cancelling at the last minute. HIGNIFY did used to be brilliant back in the day. There's an episode where Clive Anderson evicerates Piers Morgan that I could watch over and over again

williamglenn said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

That wasn't your question.

It's what they call a clarifier.

carnforth said:

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

MaxPB said:

Eabhal said:

MaxPB said:

I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.

Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.

If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.

I think @MaxPB's point is that

1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

It is pathetic. Kill it off

HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.

Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

Haven't seen it since

You haven't seen your scrotum?

Yup

I hope I'm not oversharing? - but after watching Have I Got News For You, season 349, episode 6,287, my scrotum - out of some weird shame at the desperate, sad, cringingly bad lefty Woke non-humour - literally disappeared up my arsehole, and has not been seen since

I put some photos on local lamp-posts, but I didn't get much response, TBH

At what age does one's scrotum sag enough that it can reach the arsehole? Asking for a me.

Not yet, but all too soon

Is my honest answer

*sigh*

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

I'm not White and I don't want to live in a theocracy!

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

I don’t like Eastenders but I don’t spend my Friday nights bitching about it

If we didn't pay for the BBC via a tax, AKA the TV licence, then you'd have a point

However we do, so you don't

And I am a supporter of the BBC, I think it is a genuine and salutary example of British soft power: it is remarkable how many non Brits associate the UK with the BBC - in a good way. I meet them all the time on my travels. Indeed "the BBC" is probably the third major aspect of "Britishness" that positively and palpably impinges on the world - alongside British sports (esp the EPL), and British music

But the BBC really needs to spruce its comedy output, and make some stuff that tackles the Left, Islam, Wokeness, etc. Man up!

There would have been so much material for comics like Dave Allen and Bob Monkhouse if they were still around today..

Imagine Dave Allen lampooning Islam like he did Catholicism in the 70s, lol!

Nigelb said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

MaxPB said:

Eabhal said:

MaxPB said:

I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.

Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.

If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.

I think @MaxPB's point is that

1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

It is pathetic. Kill it off

HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.

Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

Haven't seen it since

Long time to go without a scrotum.

A bit of a balls up

A quite interesting comment from one of the audience on GB News this evening, whichI listened to on the way to have a look at out 31-years-to-arrive station footbridge (it must have been sent in the post):

"If Sarah Pochin had replaced "burqa" with "face covering" in her question to the Prime Minister, would Zia Yusuf still be Chairman of Reform?"

This was her PMQ question:

Given the prime minister’s desire to strengthen strategic alignment with our European neighbours, will he, in the interest of public safety, follow the lead of France, Belgium, Denmark and others and ban the burqa?”

IanB2 said:

Last year, Ukraine produced about 1,000 drones for every hour of the year, and this year they plan to produce about 40 for every minute. Incredible.

That's only 2.4 times as many.
Good, but not incredible.

I was more impressed by the fibre optic controlled drone with 50km of cable.

MattW said:

Scott_xP said:

@ABC

EXCLUSIVE: Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, is on his way back to the U.S. to face criminal charges, sources tell ABC News

https://x.com/ABC/status/1931065257289478396

If the charges go nowhere he'll be able to make enough from libel actions to retire to Monaco:

White House: Ábrego García to meet 'full force of American justice'
published at 21:48

The White House press secretary has just released a statement about the indictment against Ábrego García. She says the charges prove "the unhinged Democrat Party was wrong, and their stenographers in the Fake News Media were once again played like fools".

In a statement on X, Karoline Leavitt calls him an "illegal alien terrorist, gang member, and human trafficker".

She says he will now return to the US to "meet the full force of American justice".

Q: You mentioned he had involvement in a murder and was connected with groups involved in a smuggling ring. But the only charges he's facing right now are human smuggling?

BONDI: He's charged with very serious charges of alien smuggling

@davidrlurie.bsky.social‬

So they just gave him a pass on the purported murders? Hmm.

rottenborough said:

MattW said:

Scott_xP said:

@ABC

EXCLUSIVE: Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, is on his way back to the U.S. to face criminal charges, sources tell ABC News

https://x.com/ABC/status/1931065257289478396

If the charges go nowhere he'll be able to make enough from libel actions to retire to Monaco:

White House: Ábrego García to meet 'full force of American justice'
published at 21:48

The White House press secretary has just released a statement about the indictment against Ábrego García. She says the charges prove "the unhinged Democrat Party was wrong, and their stenographers in the Fake News Media were once again played like fools".

In a statement on X, Karoline Leavitt calls him an "illegal alien terrorist, gang member, and human trafficker".

She says he will now return to the US to "meet the full force of American justice".

Is the US still the shining city on the hill where the rule of law - a law made collectively and democratically - still is the bedrock?

Crunch time.

Not an exemplar for sub judice, that's for sure.

And FWIW, they're finally doing what the "unhinged Democrats" asked them to do.

Luke Tryl: The biggest barrier to peeps voting for Reform and Farage is his relationship with Trump.

Every Brit vote segment hates the TACO merchant.

Cookie said:

Fairliered said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

Remaining in charge and protecting their privileges.

Privileges like being the only group who osn't given preferential treatment in job interviews in the public sector, for example?

Can we agree no politics in this weekly "Cookie" column we signed off on the other day?

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

And they're all going to vote together against the Muslims and their pinko fellow travellers to head off Sharia Britain? - I can't see it tbh.

And unlikely as it is, this is still not the White vote coalescing on racial lines. It's more of a non-Muslim and non-lefty vote coalescing on 'failure to assess risk due to prejudice and paranoia' lines.

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

I fear the plot is being rather lost in places.

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

kinabalu said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

I fear the plot is being rather lost in places.

I think it would boil down to a battle over resources and therefore geography, rather than sticking to racial lines. Stirling would once again become the keystone of Scotland (after the Forth bridges had been taken out by the Fifers).

Or would we in Scotland eliminate all the Reform voters, form a Woke Legion and march south? Dunno.

Stereodog said:

MaxPB said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.

My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

MaxPB said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.

My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous

They totally would

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

MaxPB said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.

My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous

I have found that there is incredible diversity of views inside every ethnic and religious group.

Leon said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

MaxPB said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.

My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous

I have found that there is incredible diversity of views inside every ethnic and religious group.

Thankyou for radio 4’s “pointlessly inane thought of the day”

I'm sorry for injecting a small dose of reality into your "all [x] are [y] worldview".

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

MaxPB said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.

My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous

In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.

In terms of elections, appealing to the gerontocracy is far more effective than this culture/race thing.

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

MaxPB said:

Eabhal said:

MaxPB said:

I switched on HIGNFY for three minutes on the Jenrick section and this is why liberals are losing in this country. They are all such self satisfied wankers. This show should have been cancelled years ago.

Ah come on. A Britain where Robert Jenrick (or an earnest arsehole from any political party) isn't roundly mocked is not a Britain I want to live in.

It was a brilliant bit of politics widely recognised on PB. It was also faintly ridiculous.

Yeah let's mock the guy pointing out how ridiculous crime has become instead of the police, judges and mayor who let it get that way. Like I said, it makes the BBC look like it's completely out of touch with reality.

If a satire show isn't mocking a senior politician running around a train station then something has gone seriously wrong with this country.

I think @MaxPB's point is that

1. It's not funny (it hasn't been funny for a decade or more)

2. It nearly ALWAYS aims at the right (which is one reason for its unfunniness, it is predictable = the death of humour)

3. It ignores HUGE targets for satire because it is "progressive" and cowardly. How about a riff mocking Islam, the Religion of Peace, for enforcing blasphemy laws because a by passer tried to gut the Koran-burner with a knife? That seems ripe for satire. Yet they don't go there. I wonder why

It is pathetic. Kill it off

HIGNFY was brilliant for the first 10 or 15 years with Deayton presenting, mainly because he mocked everyone regardless of whether they were left or right.

Yes, he mocked Hislop and Merton as they mocked him. Which made it often quite electrifying to watch

TBH I haven't watched an episode in years. I tuned in a couple of seasons ago for one episode, for about 15 minutes, and it was so desperately cringe and unfunny my scrotum LITERALLY tried to hide up my butthole, our of shameful embarrassment for all concerned. I am sorry for the mental image, but I have to be honest - that is what physically happened

Haven't seen it since

I try watching it every so often because I'm so hoping that it might magically be more like it used to be in the 90s. It never is, although occasionally you get a presenter who's slightly better at doing the job.

Stereodog said:

carnforth said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Tbf there's a lot of inter-east-asian racism too. As far as I can work out, everyone hates the Koreans.

Yeah it's really interesting to hear what other East Asian people think of each other. My Singaporean friends think Hong Kongers are stuck up princesses and my Cantonese relatives think Singaporeans are culturally barren mercenaries who are only interested in making money.

Something to that, though. If you've ever seen a middle-aged Asian lady being rude to staff at an airport, it always turns out to be a Hong Konger or a Singaporean.

Perhaps it's just because they speak good English, but I've seen it several times.

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

MaxPB said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.

My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous

In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.

lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

MaxPB said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.

My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous

In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.

lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

But we can run more than 100 metres.

This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

MaxPB said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.

My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous

In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.

In terms of elections, appealing to the gerontocracy is far more effective than this culture/race thing.

At the by-election it's thought Reform were more popular with younger voters.

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

MaxPB said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.

My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous

In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.

lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

But we can run more than 100 metres.

This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.

https://x.com/gbnews/status/1931102213041979504

'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'

A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40

rottenborough said:

SuellaBraverman:

I think we should follow Belgium and France.

Hmmm.

https://x.com/SuellaBraverman

Do they ban it everywhere or just in certain situations like holding public office?

rottenborough said:

SuellaBraverman:

I think we should follow Belgium and France.

Hmmm.

https://x.com/SuellaBraverman

How does one define it, in law? How is it substantively different to wearing a balaclava and gloves in the winter? Or motorcycle gear? Would we be trying to ban a style of clothing, rather than the principle of covering faces? If that’s the case can we also ban the wearing of shoes with no socks (or trainer socks) unless wearing trainers and shorts?

Andy_JS said:

"Neuroscientist explains how social media addiction is destroying our brains | T J Power"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp4JRgQ1VpA

I've spent ages reading this social media ... to get to this point. Bugger.

williamglenn said:

HIGNFY is a relic from a country that no longer exists. It's from the same era as the Big Breakfast with Chris Evans and Gaby Roslin and it's impossible to imagine a show like that being made now.

You're quite right.

People don't have breakfast anymore.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

williamglenn said:

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

MaxPB said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.

My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous

In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.

lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

But we can run more than 100 metres.

This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.

https://x.com/gbnews/status/1931102213041979504

'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'

A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40

I apologise for the existence of my children and the threat they pose to the fearful white population of Britain.

Whiteshift by Eric Kaufmann is an excellent book on this.

Essentially by 2100, yes, but another 30% or so will be mixed race with other minorities making up the rest.

His view is that they will 'adopt' British values and culture just like Rishi Sunak, Kemi Badenoch or Matthew Syed has.

However, he also acknowledges this is scary for many (to be in the minority) and it's of little good mocking or insulting people with such concerns as small-minded or bigoted if we want a comfortable and stable society.

We need to recognise and engage with it.

Stereodog said:

carnforth said:

Stereodog said:

carnforth said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Tbf there's a lot of inter-east-asian racism too. As far as I can work out, everyone hates the Koreans.

Yeah it's really interesting to hear what other East Asian people think of each other. My Singaporean friends think Hong Kongers are stuck up princesses and my Cantonese relatives think Singaporeans are culturally barren mercenaries who are only interested in making money.

Something to that, though. If you've ever seen a middle-aged Asian lady being rude to staff at an airport, it always turns out to be a Hong Konger or a Singaporean.

Perhaps it's just because they speak good English, but I've seen it several times.

Yeah there's always a grain of truth to all stereotypes. Hong Kongers have spent a long time thinking themselves as uniquely blessed among their neighbours. During the Mao years they were infinitely richer than their sometimes starving neighbours and they thought of mainland refugees in a similar way to how Reform voters see asylum seekers on small boats. Even when the Chinese regained possession they thought of themselves as a privileged exception within the Communist system. It's why the recent crackdowns have been so traumatic for them but that sense of superiority dies hard. Of course all of the above is just a generalisation.

I'm not sure that's the best analogy for you to use if you want us to all be supremely relaxed about the small boat infiltrators across the channel, which you absolutely do.

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

Fairliered said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

Remaining in charge and protecting their privileges.

Privileges like being the only group who osn't given preferential treatment in job interviews in the public sector, for example?

Can we agree no politics in this weekly "Cookie" column we signed off on the other day?

Stop being an epicene and patronising dickhead

It's the defining feature of being an establishment Liberal.

As @MaxPB indicated last night they genuinely think they're intellectually and morally superior to everyone else.

JosiasJessop said:

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

MaxPB said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.

My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous

In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.

lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

But we can run more than 100 metres.

This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.

I give it 2-4 years

And remember I was right about Covid

You are a racist - as you have shown many times on here - and you are salivating over the thought of a race war in the UK. Of course, you'd just flee to foreign shores when it does happen, in the same way you pathetically fled during Covid.

Steady on.

JosiasJessop said:

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

MaxPB said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.

My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous

In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.

lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

But we can run more than 100 metres.

This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.

I give it 2-4 years

And remember I was right about Covid

You are a racist - as you have shown many times on here - and you are salivating over the thought of a race war in the UK. Of course, you'd just flee to foreign shores when it does happen, in the same way you pathetically fled during Covid.

Another evening of preaching race war, great replacement conspiracy theory and Islamophobia.

If PB degenerates into another Social Media cesspool of hate it will be sad. It can and should be a lot better than that.

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

Fairliered said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

Remaining in charge and protecting their privileges.

Privileges like being the only group who osn't given preferential treatment in job interviews in the public sector, for example?

Can we agree no politics in this weekly "Cookie" column we signed off on the other day?

Stop being an epicene and patronising dickhead

It's the defining feature of being an establishment Liberal.

As @MaxPB indicated last night they genuinely think they're intellectually and morally superior to everyone else.

I would sincerely say that I think the vast majority of the British people are better than the bilge being posted last night.

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

MaxPB said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.

My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous

In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.

lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

But we can run more than 100 metres.

This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.

I give it 2-4 years

And remember I was right about Covid

You are a racist - as you have shown many times on here - and you are salivating over the thought of a race war in the UK. Of course, you'd just flee to foreign shores when it does happen, in the same way you pathetically fled during Covid.

Steady on.

Are you saying Leon is not a racist?

Have you heard him witter on about the great replacement theory, or his belief that black people have a lower IQ?

What are they, if not racist?

I don't think he is a racist.

I do think you have an unpleasant habit of making your political arguments with other posters on here deeply personal.

It's unnecessary and totally uncalled for.

And you've been called out for it repeatedly.

Foxy said:

Casino_Royale said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

williamglenn said:

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

MaxPB said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.

My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous

In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.

lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

But we can run more than 100 metres.

This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.

https://x.com/gbnews/status/1931102213041979504

'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'

A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40

I apologise for the existence of my children and the threat they pose to the fearful white population of Britain.

Whiteshift by Eric Kaufmann is an excellent book on this.

Essentially by 2100, yes, but another 30% or so will be mixed race with other minorities making up the rest.

His view is that they will 'adopt' British values and culture just like Rishi Sunak, Kemi Badenoch or Matthew Syed has.

However, he also acknowledges this is scary for many (to be in the minority) and it's of little good mocking or insulting people with such concerns as small-minded or bigoted if we want a comfortable and stable society.

We need to recognise and engage with it.

If 30% of the population will be "mixed race" (I prefer multiple heritage) surely that is a good thing, and shows willingness to integrate? A willingness of both white and ethnic minorities? Isn't that the opposite of race war, for all but "one drop" extremists?

Read the book.

Foxy said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

Casino_Royale said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

williamglenn said:

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

MaxPB said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Cookie said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stereodog said:

Leon said:

Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.

My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous

In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.

lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

But we can run more than 100 metres.

This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.

https://x.com/gbnews/status/1931102213041979504

'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'

A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40

I apologise for the existence of my children and the threat they pose to the fearful white population of Britain.

Whiteshift by Eric Kaufmann is an excellent book on this.

Essentially by 2100, yes, but another 30% or so will be mixed race with other minorities making up the rest.

His view is that they will 'adopt' British values and culture just like Rishi Sunak, Kemi Badenoch or Matthew Syed has.

However, he also acknowledges this is scary for many (to be in the minority) and it's of little good mocking or insulting people with such concerns as small-minded or bigoted if we want a comfortable and stable society.

We need to recognise and engage with it.

If 30% of the population will be "mixed race" (I prefer multiple heritage) surely that is a good thing, and shows willingness to integrate? A willingness of both white and ethnic minorities? Isn't that the opposite of race war, for all but "one drop" extremists?

Read the book.

I already have.

Good. The point is that lots of people will naturally be concerned about this. And you have to engage with it.

You can't just throw off lines like "racist" and "cesspool of hate".