he is a genuine leader, because he causes his supporters to change their minds (see with Ukraine), he doesn't just follow what they want.
Are all cult leaders "good at politics" ?
Yes
Which would suggest Elon Musk is also "good at politics" yet I don't think today's events support that assertion
But we always circle back to the fact that you’re a fucking moron. So we should also take that into account, no?
Your rapid descent into personal abuse when it could have been an interesting discussion is as demeaning as Chiles taking pocket money from his missus for his inane witterings.
he is a genuine leader, because he causes his supporters to change their minds (see with Ukraine), he doesn't just follow what they want.
Are all cult leaders "good at politics" ?
Yes
Which would suggest Elon Musk is also "good at politics" yet I don't think today's events support that assertion
But we always circle back to the fact that you’re a fucking moron. So we should also take that into account, no?
Your rapid descent into personal abuse when it could have been an interesting discussion is as demeaning as Chiles taking pocket money from his missus for his inane witterings.
he is a genuine leader, because he causes his supporters to change their minds (see with Ukraine), he doesn't just follow what they want.
Are all cult leaders "good at politics" ?
Yes
Which would suggest Elon Musk is also "good at politics" yet I don't think today's events support that assertion
But we always circle back to the fact that you’re a fucking moron. So we should also take that into account, no?
Your rapid descent into personal abuse when it could have been an interesting discussion is as demeaning as Chiles taking pocket money from his missus for his inane witterings.
That wasn’t personal abuse. It was a dismissive Meh
After ten years of truly moronic wanking-on about Brexit, @Scott_xP has a long way to go before he regains the right to an adult discussion
Watching former Labour supporter Michelle Mone get eviscerated on the BBC.
What have I learned? She appears to be a bullshitter and the glitterati despise her East End Glasgow peasantry. And in his own mind David Cameron is head and shoulders Britain's greatest ever Prime Minister.
I suspect if there is a single sacrificial lamb for the Johnson Government PPE scandal, that lamb might be blonde.
For his fans, Jo Maugham is on now.
There's a definite sense that Mone would have been thrown under the bus as a PPE scapegoat. The whole lot should be properly investigated, they deliberately put the procurement relaxation through with the other COVID measures to enable themselves to profit from the pandemic.
Watching the fall of Mone slightly delayed, Mone and Barrowman were onto the crypto grift in 2017, 6 years ahead of Trump
Andrew Learmonth from the Herald now tentatively floating a recount already. For pity's sake.
Prof Curtice on BBC Scotland now.
Evidence that political journalists might know a lot about politics, but they usually know the square root of b-all about elections (which is a much more difficult subject.)
Most of the Scottish Political Lobby with a few exceptions have been asleep at the wheel at Holyrood for years and would not last two minutes down at Westminster! I would love to see a real shake up here where some journalists would actually get off their behinds and go looking for the political story rather than being spoonfed it by Government spads.
It's quite sad how many people thinking lower inflation = lower prices. Also interesting that people are upset about Labour not doing what they promised - but did they actually promise to do anything in the first place?
There's a social media meme doing the rounds pointing out that Scotland currently generates 2x our consumption - "2x the energy, 2x the price". (It's actually 3x as much, just from renewables, but our energy prices are not 2x as high as in England).
Not sure many saw that coming . Certainly a huge boost for Labour .
I was completely wrong. I thought people would coalesce around the SNP to block Reform, but they didn't and even then Reform couldn't come through the middle.
Tory on BBC says it's lost deposit territory, blimey.
I can see Greens, LDs and Tories losing deposit. Simply no incentive to turn out
Hamilton has always been Labour or SNP, so no big surprise.
Latest estimates are SNP hold with Labour not far behind in second and just holding off Reform who are third
I spent many a holiday visiting my Dad's family in Hamilton growing up, it was quite a contrast with where I lived in the Highlands. I was always close to my Dad's sister who lived there and I remember sharing with her quietly after the 1987 GE that I had voted for the Conservatives in Aberdeen where I was student and she said I have been quietly voting for the Conservatives here in this seat for years despite the fact that Labour could stick a rosette on a donkey and it would still win.
Prof curtice made a point on the BBC programme that even if lab squeak this narrowly (and it is a narrow win) it wouldn't be enough to translate into a big enough shift in power to make Sarwar FM next year (or better words to that effect). Take nothing away from the result, few of us seen this coming.
Tactically have Lab played a blinder by letting Swinney do the attacking on reform? Did the reform advert backfire?
Not sure many saw that coming . Certainly a huge boost for Labour .
I said yesterday Labour could sneak it.
Huge win for Starmer and Sarwar, terrible result for Swinney and SNP who have leaked nationalist votes to third placed Reform
Do we have any evidence that the SNP lost votes to Reform?
Yes the SNP held this seat and have clearly lost it as 2021 SNP voters went Reform in big enough numbers to give it to Labour who held their 2021 vote
No, just because one proportion goes up and another goes down does not demonstrate there has been a movement between the two parties.
Likely a much bigger reason is non-voters came out for Reform and SNP voters didn't turn out. No Scottish polling shows significant movements from SNP to Reform.
Many politicians continuing to be as deluded as ever, claiming the is a fantastic result for them, whereas in reality it was a very close 3 way race with only 5% separating those top 3.
Many politicians continuing to be as deluded as ever, claiming the is a fantastic result for them, whereas in reality it was a very close 3 way race with only 5% separating those top 3.
Expect more of this, as we now enter an era of 3/4/5 way contests. By elections with low turnouts could have some dramatic results this parliament
Not sure many saw that coming . Certainly a huge boost for Labour .
I said yesterday Labour could sneak it.
Huge win for Starmer and Sarwar, terrible result for Swinney and SNP who have leaked nationalist votes to third placed Reform
Do we have any evidence that the SNP lost votes to Reform?
I can't prove this, so this is just my wild theory ...
I think the SNP is unusual in being both a Nationalist movement & also quite 'woke'. Typically, Nationalist movements are also quite right-wing because there is a 'blood and soil' element to Nationalism.
In this way, I think the SNP is out-of-touch with a lot of its base & it's possible they will leak voters to Reform.
Not sure many saw that coming . Certainly a huge boost for Labour .
I said yesterday Labour could sneak it.
Huge win for Starmer and Sarwar, terrible result for Swinney and SNP who have leaked nationalist votes to third placed Reform
Do we have any evidence that the SNP lost votes to Reform?
Yes the SNP held this seat and have clearly lost it as 2021 SNP voters went Reform in big enough numbers to give it to Labour who held their 2021 vote
No, just because one proportion goes up and another goes down does not demonstrate there has been a movement between the two parties.
Likely a much bigger reason is non-voters came out for Reform and SNP voters didn't turn out. No Scottish polling shows significant movements from SNP to Reform.
Relative to 2021 Holyrood polling does show movement from SNP to Reform so wrong. On this swing there would be a Unionist majority next year.
Hardly surprising some former nationalist Salmond supporters now prefer nationalist Farage to mild mannered middle manager Swinney
Not sure many saw that coming . Certainly a huge boost for Labour .
I said yesterday Labour could sneak it.
Huge win for Starmer and Sarwar, terrible result for Swinney and SNP who have leaked nationalist votes to third placed Reform
Do we have any evidence that the SNP lost votes to Reform?
Yes the SNP held this seat and have clearly lost it as 2021 SNP voters went Reform in big enough numbers to give it to Labour who held their 2021 vote
No, just because one proportion goes up and another goes down does not demonstrate there has been a movement between the two parties.
Likely a much bigger reason is non-voters came out for Reform and SNP voters didn't turn out. No Scottish polling shows significant movements from SNP to Reform.
I think there is some truth in what HYUFD says but it's a complex picture. Some SNP voters, more likely working class and in low numbers will have voted reform. Others stayed at home.
Reform will have benefitted from this being their first major by election in Scotland, and going up against 2 incumbent government party candidates. Also the unionist squeeze as the Tory vote collapses.
Scottish voters are savvy enough to tell that the incumbent here is the SNP, and can 'send a message' to Mr Swinney knowing the next election here is only 11 months away.
I don't think Lab would have won this seat 6 months ago mind you. Likely that some of the middle class Tory vote went lab, as the strongest established unionist party too. Many Tory voters here from 2021 would be ex Slab
Not sure many saw that coming . Certainly a huge boost for Labour .
I said yesterday Labour could sneak it.
Huge win for Starmer and Sarwar, terrible result for Swinney and SNP who have leaked nationalist votes to third placed Reform
Do we have any evidence that the SNP lost votes to Reform?
I can't prove this, so this is just my wild theory ...
I think the SNP is unusual in being both a Nationalist movement & also quite 'woke'. Typically, Nationalist movements are also quite right-wing because there is a 'blood and soil' element to Nationalism.
In this way, I think the SNP is out-of-touch with a lot of its base & it's possible they will leak voters to Reform.
I agree with this. Labour will also have lost some votes to Reform. Difficult to say which of the two would have lost more.
Congratulations to the Labour candidate, a win is a win.
And indeed it is, but it should also be noted that the SNP threw everything including the kitchen sink at this by-election campaign and they made it all about it being an SNP vs Reform battle and that has totally backfired on them big time.
Congratulations to the Labour candidate, a win is a win.
And indeed it is, but it should also be noted that the SNP threw everything including the kitchen sink at this by-election campaign and they made it all about it being an SNP vs Reform battle and that has totally backfired on them big time.
They have been in power a long time - police investigations, sleaze - new leader bounce wearing off.
No run lasts for ever in politics. It’s not a surprise but normal if gravity takes effect on them now.
he is a genuine leader, because he causes his supporters to change their minds (see with Ukraine), he doesn't just follow what they want.
Are all cult leaders "good at politics" ?
Yes
Which would suggest Elon Musk is also "good at politics" yet I don't think today's events support that assertion
But we always circle back to the fact that you’re a fucking moron. So we should also take that into account, no?
Musk has managed to alienate, perhaps irrevocably, both parties of a government which is the biggest customer of one of his businesses, and their supporters who constitutes much of the customer base of another one.
That doesn’t scream good at politics.
I’ll grant he’s good at throwing lots of money at politics. And he was a great salesman.
Pretty good result for SLab under the circumstances. I can’t enthuse about Lab at all but my extreme dislike of the hard and simplist right makes it easy to be pleased about this.
he is a genuine leader, because he causes his supporters to change their minds (see with Ukraine), he doesn't just follow what they want.
Are all cult leaders "good at politics" ?
Yes
Which would suggest Elon Musk is also "good at politics" yet I don't think today's events support that assertion
But we always circle back to the fact that you’re a fucking moron. So we should also take that into account, no?
Musk has managed to alienate, perhaps irrevocably, both parties of a government which is the biggest customer of one of his businesses, and their supporters who constitutes much of the customer base of another one.
That doesn’t scream good at politics.
I’ll grant he’s good at throwing lots of money at politics. And he was a great salesman.
Didn't he say that Trump was right about everything?
… which would still be a great result for Reform (and a helpful distraction from their civil war).
I can see them breaking 20%, higher than 25% is more likely on a low turnout/plague on all your houses vote. Would be astonishing if they won, but the SNP nadir seems to have passed for now
I expect the Tories will get squeezed and lose deposit
Labour will also lose deposit in this election as they get squeezed by SNP and Reform. Labours disastrous performance in this election is the only headline of note.
he is a genuine leader, because he causes his supporters to change their minds (see with Ukraine), he doesn't just follow what they want.
Are all cult leaders "good at politics" ?
Yes
Which would suggest Elon Musk is also "good at politics" yet I don't think today's events support that assertion
But we always circle back to the fact that you’re a fucking moron. So we should also take that into account, no?
Musk has managed to alienate, perhaps irrevocably, both parties of a government which is the biggest customer of one of his businesses, and their supporters who constitutes much of the customer base of another one.
That doesn’t scream good at politics.
I’ll grant he’s good at throwing lots of money at politics. And he was a great salesman.
Well, I certainly think that we won't see him back at the White House.
he is a genuine leader, because he causes his supporters to change their minds (see with Ukraine), he doesn't just follow what they want.
Are all cult leaders "good at politics" ?
Yes
Which would suggest Elon Musk is also "good at politics" yet I don't think today's events support that assertion
But we always circle back to the fact that you’re a fucking moron. So we should also take that into account, no?
Your rapid descent into personal abuse when it could have been an interesting discussion is as demeaning as Chiles taking pocket money from his missus for his inane witterings.
That wasn’t personal abuse. It was a dismissive Meh
After ten years of truly moronic wanking-on about Brexit, @Scott_xP has a long way to go before he regains the right to an adult discussion
Three well deserved flags. You're so revolting and gauche. It's only on nights like this when the posts are particularly interesting that people notice.
… which would still be a great result for Reform (and a helpful distraction from their civil war).
I can see them breaking 20%, higher than 25% is more likely on a low turnout/plague on all your houses vote. Would be astonishing if they won, but the SNP nadir seems to have passed for now
I expect the Tories will get squeezed and lose deposit
Labour will also lose deposit in this election as they get squeezed by SNP and Reform. Labours disastrous performance in this election is the only headline of note.
Quoted without comment.
To be fair, Labour nearly lost their deposit. If there'd got just 27 fewer percentage points, then they would have trailed the conservatives, and lost their deposit
Congratulations to the Labour candidate, a win is a win.
And indeed it is, but it should also be noted that the SNP threw everything including the kitchen sink at this by-election campaign and they made it all about it being an SNP vs Reform battle and that has totally backfired on them big time.
… which would still be a great result for Reform (and a helpful distraction from their civil war).
I can see them breaking 20%, higher than 25% is more likely on a low turnout/plague on all your houses vote. Would be astonishing if they won, but the SNP nadir seems to have passed for now
I expect the Tories will get squeezed and lose deposit
Labour will also lose deposit in this election as they get squeezed by SNP and Reform. Labours disastrous performance in this election is the only headline of note.
… which would still be a great result for Reform (and a helpful distraction from their civil war).
I can see them breaking 20%, higher than 25% is more likely on a low turnout/plague on all your houses vote. Would be astonishing if they won, but the SNP nadir seems to have passed for now
I expect the Tories will get squeezed and lose deposit
Labour will also lose deposit in this election as they get squeezed by SNP and Reform. Labours disastrous performance in this election is the only headline of note.
Quoted without comment.
We're lucky to have such great psephologists on here at the moment.
Not sure many saw that coming . Certainly a huge boost for Labour .
I said yesterday Labour could sneak it.
Huge win for Starmer and Sarwar, terrible result for Swinney and SNP who have leaked nationalist votes to third placed Reform
Do we have any evidence that the SNP lost votes to Reform?
Yes the SNP held this seat and have clearly lost it as 2021 SNP voters went Reform in big enough numbers to give it to Labour who held their 2021 vote
No, just because one proportion goes up and another goes down does not demonstrate there has been a movement between the two parties.
Likely a much bigger reason is non-voters came out for Reform and SNP voters didn't turn out. No Scottish polling shows significant movements from SNP to Reform.
I think there is some truth in what HYUFD says but it's a complex picture. Some SNP voters, more likely working class and in low numbers will have voted reform. Others stayed at home.
Reform will have benefitted from this being their first major by election in Scotland, and going up against 2 incumbent government party candidates. Also the unionist squeeze as the Tory vote collapses.
Scottish voters are savvy enough to tell that the incumbent here is the SNP, and can 'send a message' to Mr Swinney knowing the next election here is only 11 months away.
I don't think Lab would have won this seat 6 months ago mind you. Likely that some of the middle class Tory vote went lab, as the strongest established unionist party too. Many Tory voters here from 2021 would be ex Slab
National Politics now reminds me of local politics on South Lakeland District when I first became a member in 1997. There were four groups, Independent, Conservative LDs and Labour all within a shout of each other and so each ward contest was separate and depended upon the unique characteristics of the candidates. BUT the electorate were no fools and voters voted differently depending upon what they were electing, MP, South Lakeland councillor, parish councillor. There were many voters, up to 25% who would vote differently for all three. Senior Labour councillor admitted to me that a third of her voters voted Con in a Westminster Election. Later many Cons voted LD locally and now vice versa as well. Would be fair to say that Tim Farron and the LDs have sort of herded all these cats to voting for them. But when he made a blunder, like opposing Brexit in 2017, he all but came to losing his seat.
The responses, well some of them, to this well meaning and harmless tweet from SKS wishing people who celebrate it a happy Eid are somewhat disappointing.
… which would still be a great result for Reform (and a helpful distraction from their civil war).
I can see them breaking 20%, higher than 25% is more likely on a low turnout/plague on all your houses vote. Would be astonishing if they won, but the SNP nadir seems to have passed for now
I expect the Tories will get squeezed and lose deposit
Labour will also lose deposit in this election as they get squeezed by SNP and Reform. Labours disastrous performance in this election is the only headline of note.
Quoted without comment.
We're lucky to have such great psephologists on here at the moment.
A large proportion of the comments here nowadays stem from the bile duct rather than the brain.
… which would still be a great result for Reform (and a helpful distraction from their civil war).
I can see them breaking 20%, higher than 25% is more likely on a low turnout/plague on all your houses vote. Would be astonishing if they won, but the SNP nadir seems to have passed for now
I expect the Tories will get squeezed and lose deposit
Labour will also lose deposit in this election as they get squeezed by SNP and Reform. Labours disastrous performance in this election is the only headline of note.
Quoted without comment.
We're lucky to have such great psephologists on here at the moment.
Whilst it is amusing to see posters get their predictions wrong (*), it seems that, with three parties so close, predictions are much more difficult than they were a decade ago. This has obvious betting implications.
(In some ways though, predictions are easier. Like Farage would fall out with other people in the Farage party. Or that Musk and Trump would fall out...)
(*) Even for people like myself, who were too chicken to make a prediction...
Not sure many saw that coming . Certainly a huge boost for Labour .
I said yesterday Labour could sneak it.
Huge win for Starmer and Sarwar, terrible result for Swinney and SNP who have leaked nationalist votes to third placed Reform
Do we have any evidence that the SNP lost votes to Reform?
I can't prove this, so this is just my wild theory ...
I think the SNP is unusual in being both a Nationalist movement & also quite 'woke'. Typically, Nationalist movements are also quite right-wing because there is a 'blood and soil' element to Nationalism.
In this way, I think the SNP is out-of-touch with a lot of its base & it's possible they will leak voters to Reform.
A fair bit of the SNP has always been pretty right-wing; see Kate Forbes in whichever leadership election it was. It was a bit obscured by everyone being to the left of Thatcher and then the uncomfortable alliance with the Greens.
But if you dig down to the fundamentals, their appeals to the public are pretty similar. We could spend more money on you if we spent none on them, nationalism in an area we can win, we're not the rascals running the Westminster government.
Pretty good result for SLab under the circumstances. I can’t enthuse about Lab at all but my extreme dislike of the hard and simplist right makes it easy to be pleased about this.
And that's the problem if the Conservatives really die- either completely, or by turning into a zombie appendage of Farage.
In Nice Britain, the other horse in the race is the Lib Dems. In most of the rest of Britain, despite everything, it's still Labour. In different ways, neither of those is a joyful option. But if the question next time is Nigel Or Not, staying at home also doesn't feel adequate.
If it was anyone else but Trump you would think that they couldn’t cancel the Musk contracts as it would show that they were awarded for personal reasons and not because they were the best options.
As it’s Trump he will not give a monkey’s about people seeing the clear conflict - either the contracts were wrongly awarded or the removal damages the US for personal spite.
If it was anyone else but Trump you would think that they couldn’t cancel the Musk contracts as it would show that they were awarded for personal reasons and not because they were the best options.
As it’s Trump he will not give a monkey’s about people seeing the clear conflict - either the contracts were wrongly awarded or the removal damages the US for personal spite.
Maybe Trump will emulate Putin and start expropriating the billionaires.
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Tice is going to the count, make of that what you will.
@ALDC
St Leonard's Forest - West Sussex CC
Liberal Democrat Gain from Conservative
🔶Sam Raby Lib Dem 644 32.5%
➡️Reform 584 29.5%
🔵Con 401 20.2%
🟢Green 13.1%
🔴Lab 4.7%"
https://x.com/ALDC/status/1930767750311420042
After ten years of truly moronic wanking-on about Brexit, @Scott_xP has a long way to go before he regains the right to an adult discussion
https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/19374/hamilton-larkhall-stonehouse-election-june
Latest estimates are SNP hold with Labour not far behind in second and just holding off Reform who are third
(watching the Hamilton vox pops).
There's a social media meme doing the rounds pointing out that Scotland currently generates 2x our consumption - "2x the energy, 2x the price". (It's actually 3x as much, just from renewables, but our energy prices are not 2x as high as in England).
This is becoming a major gripe.
@wokinghambc
Maiden Erlegh & Whitegates
🟡 Mike Smith (Liberal Democrats) – 1,028 votes (Elected)
🔴 Andy Croy (Labour) – 793 votes
🔵 Guy Grandison (Conservative) – 788 votes
➡️ Andrew Harris (Reform UK) – 486 votes
🟢 Samuel Langlois (Green) – 180 votes
🟤 Sara Gillman (Trade Unionist & Socialist Party) – 17 votes"
x.com/WokinghamBC/status/1930779143647490399
"LDEM: 31.2% (+3.2)
LAB: 24.1% (-0.2)
CON: 23.9% (-4.2)
REF: 14.8% (+14.8)
GRN: 5.5% (-6.2)
No Ind (-8.0) as prev.
+/- 2024"
SNP 7,957 (29.35%)
RefUK 7,088 (26.15%)
Con 1,621 (5.98%)
Grn 695 (2.56%)
LD 533 (1.97%)
SSP 278 (1.03%)
Family 219 (0.81%)
Ind 109 (0.40%)
UKIP 50 (0.18%)
Lab maj 602 (2.22%)
Total votes 27,109
Did they learn the lesson of a loss by a squeak in Runcorn?
Huge win for Starmer and Sarwar, terrible result for Swinney and SNP who have leaked nationalist votes to third placed Reform
Tactically have Lab played a blinder by letting Swinney do the attacking on reform? Did the reform advert backfire?
I was right about expecting SNP to fall to 30% or below, but completely wrong about expecting Labour to be near 20%.
Good thing I didn't bet on Reform vote share greater than Labour vote share. Lol.
Also, both of TSE's tips were losing bets. Lol. (SNP vote share between 45% to 50% & Reform greater than Labour.)
A very unexpected result.
Wonderful to see SNP and Reform disappointed.
Likely a much bigger reason is non-voters came out for Reform and SNP voters didn't turn out. No Scottish polling shows significant movements from SNP to Reform.
I think the SNP is unusual in being both a Nationalist movement & also quite 'woke'. Typically, Nationalist movements are also quite right-wing because there is a 'blood and soil' element to Nationalism.
In this way, I think the SNP is out-of-touch with a lot of its base & it's possible they will leak voters to Reform.
Hardly surprising some former nationalist Salmond supporters now prefer nationalist Farage to mild mannered middle manager Swinney
Reform will have benefitted from this being their first major by election in Scotland, and going up against 2 incumbent government party candidates. Also the unionist squeeze as the Tory vote collapses.
Scottish voters are savvy enough to tell that the incumbent here is the SNP, and can 'send a message' to Mr Swinney knowing the next election here is only 11 months away.
I don't think Lab would have won this seat 6 months ago mind you. Likely that some of the middle class Tory vote went lab, as the strongest established unionist party too. Many Tory voters here from 2021 would be ex Slab
No run lasts for ever in politics. It’s not a surprise but normal if gravity takes effect on them now.
That doesn’t scream good at politics.
I’ll grant he’s good at throwing lots of money at politics.
And he was a great salesman.
Pissing it down here.
The mad king loses another lieutenant.
The first asks the second why he has been imprisoned. He replies, "Because I criticized Elon Musk."
The first man responds, "But I am here for praising Musk!"
They ask the third man who has been sitting quietly in the back. He answers, "I AM Elon Musk".
https://bsky.app/profile/joxley.jmoxley.co.uk/post/3lqvci3raac26
https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1930731692605513758?s=61
Whilst it is amusing to see posters get their predictions wrong (*), it seems that, with three parties so close, predictions are much more difficult than they were a decade ago. This has obvious betting implications.
(In some ways though, predictions are easier. Like Farage would fall out with other people in the Farage party. Or that Musk and Trump would fall out...)
(*) Even for people like myself, who were too chicken to make a prediction...
But if you dig down to the fundamentals, their appeals to the public are pretty similar. We could spend more money on you if we spent none on them, nationalism in an area we can win, we're not the rascals running the Westminster government.
In Nice Britain, the other horse in the race is the Lib Dems. In most of the rest of Britain, despite everything, it's still Labour. In different ways, neither of those is a joyful option. But if the question next time is Nigel Or Not, staying at home also doesn't feel adequate.
Well, that's a turn up for the books.
As it’s Trump he will not give a monkey’s about people seeing the clear conflict - either the contracts were wrongly awarded or the removal damages the US for personal spite.
Not sure this changes much but, of course, because Labour actually won and their polling is otherwise awful this will be portrayed as a triumph.
Certainly seems like Musk had his Weetabix yesterday.
That or his Special K.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/06/06/analysis-hamilton-by-election-labour-win-reform-farage