Elon Musk has got the hell out of DOGE and it is epic – politicalbetting.com

System · June 5

Elon Musk has got the hell out of DOGE and it is epic – politicalbetting.com

Elon Musk is so pissed off at Trump/the GOP that I wouldn't be surprised to see him spending billions to fund every Democratic Party candidate in America between now and 2028. https://t.co/epmd71QxBB

Read the full story here

another_richard · June 5

The Reform bust up is looking rather pound shop.

kle4 · June 5

I genuinely don't want to hate on Elon all the time, but he seems to have a knack for making himself unlikeable to Democrats and Republicans now.

Sure, he's still super rich and retains a good number of fanboys for now, but he clearly wants attention and adoration and not just wealth, and he's undermined that a lot.

Whereas Bezos seems to be happy to be regarded as your standard billionaire tyrant type.

RochdalePioneers · June 5

What a blessed day.

This was always coming.

kle4 · June 5

JosiasJessop said:

eek said:
The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon’s Governmental Subsidies and Contracts. I was always surprised that Biden didn’t do it!

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114632206992330264

Elon's comments are going down well and seem to have hit a nerve.
If Elon really wanted to save the US government money, he could stop taking their handouts for Tesla and SpaceX. The only reason Tesla made any profit last quarter was due to regulatory credits. Doge could save the US government billions a year just by stopping those).

And now Trump is more interested in Mars than the Moon, there's zero reason to pay SapceX for a lunar lander, and some of the money can go back into NASA's science!

I assumed the whole reason Musk went in so deep with Trump was to ensure the credits remained in place.

TheScreamingEagles · June 5

RochdalePioneers said:
What a blessed day.

This was always coming.

See my comment in the header, it originally didn't show up

Only people who thought Liz Truss would be/was a successful Prime Minister are shocked to see Trump and Musk have fallen out.

TheScreamingEagles · June 5

another_richard said:
The Reform bust up is looking rather pound shop.

As somebody who has worked corporate governance for a quarter of a century I cannot help but focus on this.

wooliedyed · June 5

And, like clockwork, Israel bombs Hezbollah targets in Beirut

RochdalePioneers · June 5

Musk controls the X algorithm. We're all about to get served the video of Trump being pissed on, aren't we?

kle4 · June 5

another_richard said:
The Reform bust up is looking rather pound shop.

Such is our fate thesedays as the mini America, we just cannot match their spectacle.

Nigelb · June 5

kle4 said:

JosiasJessop said:

eek said:
The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon’s Governmental Subsidies and Contracts. I was always surprised that Biden didn’t do it!

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114632206992330264

Elon's comments are going down well and seem to have hit a nerve.
If Elon really wanted to save the US government money, he could stop taking their handouts for Tesla and SpaceX. The only reason Tesla made any profit last quarter was due to regulatory credits. Doge could save the US government billions a year just by stopping those).

And now Trump is more interested in Mars than the Moon, there's zero reason to pay SapceX for a lunar lander, and some of the money can go back into NASA's science!
I assumed the whole reason Musk went in so deep with Trump was to ensure the credits remained in place.

There's a real chance Trump gets the FAA to screw with SpaceX's Starship launch permits.
Just to get revenge.

TheScreamingEagles · June 5

RochdalePioneers said:
Musk controls the X algorithm. We're all about to get served the video of Trump being pissed on, aren't we?

Dear God, no!

Even I couldn't cope with that.

The ewwww factor more than outweighs the LOLs.

RochdalePioneers · June 5

TheScreamingEagles said:

another_richard said:
The Reform bust up is looking rather pound shop.
As somebody who has worked corporate governance for a quarter of a century I cannot help but focus on this.

Whats the problem? lol

rottenborough · June 5

There isn't enough popcorn in Britain for this massive falling out!

Sunil_Prasannan · June 5

kle4 said:
I genuinely don't want to hate on Elon all the time, but he seems to have a knack for making himself unlikeable to Democrats and Republicans now.

Sure, he's still super rich and retains a good number of fanboys for now, but he clearly wants attention and adoration and not just wealth, and he's undermined that a lot.

Whereas Bezos seems to be happy to be regarded as your standard billionaire tyrant type.

It's been a long eight years since Musk was name-dropped in the Ultra-Woke offering that is Star Trek: Discovery.

TheScreamingEagles · June 5

RochdalePioneers said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

another_richard said:
The Reform bust up is looking rather pound shop.
As somebody who has worked corporate governance for a quarter of a century I cannot help but focus on this.

Whats the problem? lol

I also note there's no company secretary.

So who has the obligation to keep appropriate records?

StillWaters · June 5

@Casino_Royale

Fpt - they are all in Basingstoke & Deane

MattW · June 5

@TSE reappears from a hole in the ground like an Enforcement Officer in Scunthorpe and within 30 seconds I'm dethreaded

.

FPT ! A good interview with the new Reform leader of Kent County Council, Linden Kemkaran. AFAICS several of them seem to be small business people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La9ZlDkxXT4

To give her her due, she does talk a good game & it's worth a listen.

Like Starmer's Govt, they have 4 years to deliver, and that is how they will be judged.

One of the things Linden Kemkaran does is to swat Camilla Tominey's speculation about "hundreds of millions" of savings and cuts in Council Tax with a suggestion of "at least £75m". That is 3% of KCC spending and sounds to me like the type of number they will have to save just to meet Rachel Reeves' efficiency requirements. It sounds to me as if they will aim to simply withdraw from offering certain services, if they think it can be palmed off.

I think one thing that RefUK need to do if they are serious is benchmarking across their Councils, but they have punched all their staff on the nose with threats before even taking over.

RochdalePioneers · June 5

TheScreamingEagles said:

RochdalePioneers said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

another_richard said:
The Reform bust up is looking rather pound shop.
As somebody who has worked corporate governance for a quarter of a century I cannot help but focus on this.

Whats the problem? lol
I also note there's no company secretary.

So who has the obligation to keep appropriate records?

Yes

kle4 · June 5

Mexicanpete said:

wooliedyed said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:
OK, so who will be the next Reform big-wig to resign?

Anderson must have itchy feet by now
Where next? Is there anything "righter" than Reform?

Many who would like to be, but either are so tiny as to be invisible, defunct, or promised yet never delivered. I think the last splitter said he would set up something to their right.

williamglenn · June 5

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930685402631053403

Is it time to create a new political party in America that actually represents the 80% in the middle?

numbertwelve · June 5

As per previous thread, what if Yusuf has gone because he called Pochin’s question dumb, but Farage is planning to make it party policy.

It wouldn’t surprise me. It generates headlines, from the polling I’ve just checked it seems to generally attract public support, Farage needs to move onto the next thing to keep getting attention, it’s a very “Reform” distinctive policy. He’ll get a lot of people accusing him of dog whistle politics but does it damage his brand in any meaningful way? Will the people who it angers the most ever vote for him anyway?

vik · June 5

Tesla stock is now in freefall. Down nearly 17%.

rottenborough · June 5

Sam Stein
@samstein

I'm genuinely entertained

I'm also deeply frightened that the president is engaged in this

https://x.com/samstein/status/1930704514572755234

Leon · June 5

Imagine pitching this plot line in an elevator

“So, what, then the richest man on earth threatens to release videos of the US PRESIDENT being peed on by Russian hookers??”

*tumbleweed*

another_richard · June 5

vik said:
Tesla stock is now in freefall. Down nearly 17%.

I winder if someone has shorted it.

MattW · June 5

TheScreamingEagles said:

another_richard said:
The Reform bust up is looking rather pound shop.
As somebody who has worked corporate governance for a quarter of a century I cannot help but focus on this.

Is his minority share small enough that he can be manoeuvred out?

Leon · June 5

Can we go back to the pre-Simulation universe? I kinda liked it

Fairliered · June 5

Leon said:
Imagine pitching this plot line in an elevator

“So, what, then the richest man on earth threatens to release videos of the US PRESIDENT being peed on by Russian hookers??”

*tumbleweed*

No. Russian hookers weed.

Cookie · June 5

williamglenn said:
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930685402631053403

Is it time to create a new political party in America that actually represents the 80% in the middle?

Arguably there already is one. Led, IIRC, by the bassist from Nirvana.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krist_Novoselic
The problem is the electoral system.

But he's not wrong. The reason Trump won isn't because the USA is full of Trumpite loons, it's because the 80% in the middle leaned towards what they saw as the less unattractive of two extremes.

JosiasJessop · June 5

kle4 said:

JosiasJessop said:

eek said:
The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon’s Governmental Subsidies and Contracts. I was always surprised that Biden didn’t do it!

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114632206992330264

Elon's comments are going down well and seem to have hit a nerve.
If Elon really wanted to save the US government money, he could stop taking their handouts for Tesla and SpaceX. The only reason Tesla made any profit last quarter was due to regulatory credits. Doge could save the US government billions a year just by stopping those).

And now Trump is more interested in Mars than the Moon, there's zero reason to pay SapceX for a lunar lander, and some of the money can go back into NASA's science!
I assumed the whole reason Musk went in so deep with Trump was to ensure the credits remained in place.

He also wants the US government to pay for his Mars dreams. Hence the administration's refocus from the Moon to Mars. And - disgustingly - the gutting of NASA's science work. SpaceX doesn't do space science.

(In the past, Musk was scathing about going back to the Moon. He was a Mars First guy. But when the government started offering billions to go to the Moon, he changed his mind...)

It would be hilarious if Trump set out a real Mars project, and miraculously SpaceX got none of the contracts...

kle4 · June 5

rottenborough said:
Sam Stein
@samstein

I'm genuinely entertained

I'm also deeply frightened that the president is engaged in this

https://x.com/samstein/status/1930704514572755234

He never learned the lesson South Park tried to teach him about putting down his phone.

https://youtu.be/AXHZaDiBKsU?si=7VwsQDdH-TRhsg6n&t=44

numbertwelve · June 5

Is Musk launching Elon 2028?

Is it really so fanciful after the lunacy of the past decade?

(Edit - just remembered, not natural born citizen… scratch that).

williamglenn · June 5

Today would be a good day to bury bad leaders.

AnneJGP · June 5

As an acknowledged dimwit myself, I'd have expected any intelligent person to steer well clear of involvement with Mr Trump.

kle4 · June 5

williamglenn said:
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930685402631053403

Is it time to create a new political party in America that actually represents the 80% in the middle?

Maybe. But would he be someone those middle people like? As he's clearly not content to just fund people.

rottenborough · June 5

kle4 said:

williamglenn said:
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930685402631053403

Is it time to create a new political party in America that actually represents the 80% in the middle?
Maybe. But would he be someone those middle people like? As he's clearly not content to just fund people.

Ross Perot time again?

kle4 · June 5

williamglenn said:
Today would be a good day to bury bad leaders.

But how many would that leave us? Davey?

numbertwelve · June 5

kle4 said:

williamglenn said:
Today would be a good day to bury bad leaders.
But how many would that leave us? Davey?

Davey isn’t a great leader, he just looks sensational compared to everyone else in the race.

TheScreamingEagles · June 5

Oh and it is Eid tomorrow.

Thoughts and prayers for me.

Casino_Royale · June 5

StillWaters said:
@Casino_Royale

Fpt - they are all in Basingstoke & Deane

Not Basingstoke mate.

So is Highclere castle.

Also not Basingstoke.

Leon · June 5

I don’t know which is worse, the complete breakdown of western politics into crazy self harming populists versus deranged and treacherous lefties, or the sudden lack of decent TV drama

Pro_Rata · June 5

It'd be nice to have a timeline of key tweets and quotes in this break up over the last few days. A lot of Trump's stuff is out on Truth Social and I'll not be going there.

RochdalePioneers · June 5

Leon said:
I don’t know which is worse, the complete breakdown of western politics into crazy self harming populists versus deranged and treacherous lefties, or the sudden lack of decent TV drama

This IS TV drama! Every news channel will cover it

TheScreamingEagles · June 5

RochdalePioneers said:

Leon said:
I don’t know which is worse, the complete breakdown of western politics into crazy self harming populists versus deranged and treacherous lefties, or the sudden lack of decent TV drama
This IS TV drama! Every news channel will cover it

It's like Succession but if Logan and Roman had nukes.

Nigelb · June 5

TheScreamingEagles said:

RochdalePioneers said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

another_richard said:
The Reform bust up is looking rather pound shop.
As somebody who has worked corporate governance for a quarter of a century I cannot help but focus on this.

Whats the problem? lol
I also note there's no company secretary.

So who has the obligation to keep appropriate records?

We've seen your Farage photograph.
Appropriate isn't in his vocabulary.

Phil · June 5

I hate that I apparently have to make space in my head for these people, but on the other hand 🍿🍿🍿.

ohnotnow · June 5

rottenborough said:

kle4 said:

williamglenn said:
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930685402631053403

Is it time to create a new political party in America that actually represents the 80% in the middle?
Maybe. But would he be someone those middle people like? As he's clearly not content to just fund people.
Ross Perot time again?

If it wasn't for his weird facial hair obsession - he could'a been a contender.

maxh · June 5

This feels like general election night on PB. My head tells me it's time to go to bed. My heart tells me to refresh just a few more times so I can be there for the bombshell. The modern equivalent of the Portillo moment: Musk calling Trump a paedo?

Nigelb · June 5

williamglenn said:
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930685402631053403

Is it time to create a new political party in America that actually represents the 80% in the middle?

Elon is the 0.00000001%
What would he know about it ?

ohnotnow · June 5

It'll be interesting to see if the twitter 'grok' bot 'accidentally' and 'despite guidelines' mysteriously starts responding to questions with information about Epstein, golden showers, and other unrelated in any way to DJT matters.

Pro_Rata · June 5

Leon said:
I don’t know which is worse, the complete breakdown of western politics into crazy self harming populists versus deranged and treacherous lefties, or the sudden lack of decent TV drama

Please don't put your hopes in the hands of a cock and bull band, they'll throw it all away.

RochdalePioneers · June 5

Question - how much would Mexico like SpaceX to move a couple of miles south...?

Because if this row goes on the SpaceX is *done* in the US

eek · June 5

What I love is the references to Epstein when it's merely a hint towards the p** tapes and the real reason why Trump is so "generous" to Putin..

Dopermean · June 5

Leon said:
I don’t know which is worse, the complete breakdown of western politics into crazy self harming populists versus deranged and treacherous lefties, or the sudden lack of decent TV drama

This is all deranged, treacherous, mendacious right wing populist civil war, any remaining lefties are watching from a safe distance hopefully.

algarkirk · June 5

Leon said:
I don’t know which is worse, the complete breakdown of western politics into crazy self harming populists versus deranged and treacherous lefties, or the sudden lack of decent TV drama

There are times when Wodehouse is the prescription, but also serious times when all reality is a continously played tragic farce. Like now. A possible cure is to dive deep and long into Anthony Trollope. And look forward to 16th December -so we still have months for this - and prepare for the 250th birthday of Jane Austen.

Still are thy pleasant voices, thy nightingales, awake;
For Death, he taketh all away, but them he cannot take.

AramintaMoonbeamQC · June 5

rottenborough said:
There isn't enough popcorn in Britain for this massive falling out!

This should be worth watching. On the day of a tricky by-election as well, timing is impeccable.

RochdalePioneers · June 5

ohnotnow said:
It'll be interesting to see if the twitter 'grok' bot 'accidentally' and 'despite guidelines' mysteriously starts responding to questions with information about Epstein, golden showers, and other unrelated in any way to DJT matters.

Grok has turned into a *very* useful tool on Twitter, fact-checking and calling out bullshit. Maybe @leon has a point about AI, especially when the humans who have been put in charge are so catastrophically stupid.

Nigelb · June 5

JosiasJessop said:

kle4 said:

JosiasJessop said:

eek said:
The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon’s Governmental Subsidies and Contracts. I was always surprised that Biden didn’t do it!

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114632206992330264

Elon's comments are going down well and seem to have hit a nerve.
If Elon really wanted to save the US government money, he could stop taking their handouts for Tesla and SpaceX. The only reason Tesla made any profit last quarter was due to regulatory credits. Doge could save the US government billions a year just by stopping those).

And now Trump is more interested in Mars than the Moon, there's zero reason to pay SapceX for a lunar lander, and some of the money can go back into NASA's science!
I assumed the whole reason Musk went in so deep with Trump was to ensure the credits remained in place.
He also wants the US government to pay for his Mars dreams. Hence the administration's refocus from the Moon to Mars. And - disgustingly - the gutting of NASA's science work. SpaceX doesn't do space science.

(In the past, Musk was scathing about going back to the Moon. He was a Mars First guy. But when the government started offering billions to go to the Moon, he changed his mind...)

It would be hilarious if Trump set out a real Mars project, and miraculously SpaceX got none of the contracts...

No, it wouldn't.
It would just be another act of self destruction.

JosiasJessop · June 5

Nigelb said:

JosiasJessop said:

kle4 said:

JosiasJessop said:

eek said:
The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon’s Governmental Subsidies and Contracts. I was always surprised that Biden didn’t do it!

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114632206992330264

Elon's comments are going down well and seem to have hit a nerve.
If Elon really wanted to save the US government money, he could stop taking their handouts for Tesla and SpaceX. The only reason Tesla made any profit last quarter was due to regulatory credits. Doge could save the US government billions a year just by stopping those).

And now Trump is more interested in Mars than the Moon, there's zero reason to pay SapceX for a lunar lander, and some of the money can go back into NASA's science!
I assumed the whole reason Musk went in so deep with Trump was to ensure the credits remained in place.
He also wants the US government to pay for his Mars dreams. Hence the administration's refocus from the Moon to Mars. And - disgustingly - the gutting of NASA's science work. SpaceX doesn't do space science.

(In the past, Musk was scathing about going back to the Moon. He was a Mars First guy. But when the government started offering billions to go to the Moon, he changed his mind...)

It would be hilarious if Trump set out a real Mars project, and miraculously SpaceX got none of the contracts...
No, it wouldn't.
It would just be another act of self destruction.

SpaceX's lunar lander isn't going too well at the moment. Blue Origin has a greater chance of getting to the Moon first. And that's saying something...

Leon · June 5

Is the golden age of TV drama over? Because I am honestly struggling to find anything watchable - for the first time in 20 years 😢🤒

rottenborough · June 5

TheScreamingEagles said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Leon said:
I don’t know which is worse, the complete breakdown of western politics into crazy self harming populists versus deranged and treacherous lefties, or the sudden lack of decent TV drama
This IS TV drama! Every news channel will cover it
It's like Succession but if Logan and Roman had nukes.

Who will Andreessen and Thiel and Vance back?

rottenborough · June 5

The Head of Reform DOGE has also quit tonight.

ohnotnow · June 5

RochdalePioneers said:

ohnotnow said:
It'll be interesting to see if the twitter 'grok' bot 'accidentally' and 'despite guidelines' mysteriously starts responding to questions with information about Epstein, golden showers, and other unrelated in any way to DJT matters.
Grok has turned into a *very* useful tool on Twitter, fact-checking and calling out bullshit. Maybe @leon has a point about AI, especially when the humans who have been put in charge are so catastrophically stupid.

I've currently got a SOTA 'AI' rewriting the transcripts of air-fryer youtube videos into artistic masterpieces. I'm all for it.

Eabhal · June 5

Leon said:
Is the golden age of TV drama over? Because I am honestly struggling to find anything watchable - for the first time in 20 years 😢🤒

The second episode of Last of Us season 2 is excellent - well worth a standalone watch. The rest of the season is an incoherent mess.

The internet agrees: https://www.ratingraph.com/tv-shows/the-last-of-us-ratings-103573/

rottenborough · June 5

Andrew Neil
@afneil
·
37m
I wrote from the start the Trump-Musk relationship would end in tears. The Trump cult excoriated me for it. But even I never foresaw a Grand Canyon rift like this. And it’s just begun. I’m told popcorn is already in short supply.

RochdalePioneers · June 5

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930718684819112251

@elonmusk
In light of the President’s statement about cancellation of my government contracts,
@SpaceX
will begin decommissioning its Dragon spacecraft immediately

Leon · June 5

“In light of the President’s statement about cancellation of my government contracts, @SpaceX will begin decommissioning its Dragon spacecraft immediately”

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930718684819112251?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

rottenborough · June 5

Leon said:
Is the golden age of TV drama over? Because I am honestly struggling to find anything watchable - for the first time in 20 years 😢🤒

Have you seen Tehran on Apple TV?

Dopermean · June 5

Cookie said:

williamglenn said:
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930685402631053403

Is it time to create a new political party in America that actually represents the 80% in the middle?
Arguably there already is one. Led, IIRC, by the bassist from Nirvana.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krist_Novoselic
The problem is the electoral system.

But he's not wrong. The reason Trump won isn't because the USA is full of Trumpite loons, it's because the 80% in the middle leaned towards what they saw as the less unattractive of two extremes.

Should have gone to Specsavers...

ohnotnow · June 5

Leon said:
Is the golden age of TV drama over? Because I am honestly struggling to find anything watchable - for the first time in 20 years 😢🤒

Murderbot is 'ok' - if you enjoy a little light sort-of-sci-fi. New series of 'The Brokenwood Mysteries' also went up a week or two ago if you like cosy murder mysteries. I recently caught up with 'Mrs. Davis' - which I enjoyed a lot after my initial 'wtf is this?' moments.

Leon · June 5

rottenborough said:

Leon said:
Is the golden age of TV drama over? Because I am honestly struggling to find anything watchable - for the first time in 20 years 😢🤒
Have you seen Tehran on Apple TV?

Yes. Quite good

Benpointer · June 5

Leon said:
Is the golden age of TV drama over? Because I am honestly struggling to find anything watchable - for the first time in 20 years 😢🤒

Who needs TV dramas when we have Trump v Musk?

numbertwelve · June 5

RochdalePioneers said:
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930718684819112251

@elonmusk
In light of the President’s statement about cancellation of my government contracts,
@SpaceX
will begin decommissioning its Dragon spacecraft immediately

This is going to run and run, isn’t it?

Are the shops still open? I need more popcorn.

rottenborough · June 5

George Conway: "the Super Bowl of Sociopathy has begun"

Jim_Miller · June 5

Suppose you were a billionaire, and wanted Melania to rat out the Donald. What would you do?

My thought: Give her millions of dollars so she would have the freedom to do the right thing.

RochdalePioneers · June 5

Tonight is starting to read like Sarah Connor's monologue in Terminator 2.

Will it also end with "In a panic they tried to pull the plug"

williamglenn · June 5

Musk says that Trump should be replaced with Vance.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930719235770359903?s=46

Andy_JS · June 5

Leon said:
I don’t know which is worse, the complete breakdown of western politics into crazy self harming populists versus deranged and treacherous lefties, or the sudden lack of decent TV drama

Don't knock Vera.

rottenborough · June 5

Elon Musk

@elonmusk
·
9m
In light of the President’s statement about cancellation of my government contracts,
@SpaceX
will begin decommissioning its Dragon spacecraft immediately

Nigelb · June 5

JosiasJessop said:

Nigelb said:

JosiasJessop said:

kle4 said:

JosiasJessop said:

eek said:
The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon’s Governmental Subsidies and Contracts. I was always surprised that Biden didn’t do it!

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114632206992330264

Elon's comments are going down well and seem to have hit a nerve.
If Elon really wanted to save the US government money, he could stop taking their handouts for Tesla and SpaceX. The only reason Tesla made any profit last quarter was due to regulatory credits. Doge could save the US government billions a year just by stopping those).

And now Trump is more interested in Mars than the Moon, there's zero reason to pay SapceX for a lunar lander, and some of the money can go back into NASA's science!
I assumed the whole reason Musk went in so deep with Trump was to ensure the credits remained in place.
He also wants the US government to pay for his Mars dreams. Hence the administration's refocus from the Moon to Mars. And - disgustingly - the gutting of NASA's science work. SpaceX doesn't do space science.

(In the past, Musk was scathing about going back to the Moon. He was a Mars First guy. But when the government started offering billions to go to the Moon, he changed his mind...)

It would be hilarious if Trump set out a real Mars project, and miraculously SpaceX got none of the contracts...
No, it wouldn't.
It would just be another act of self destruction.
SpaceX's lunar lander isn't going too well at the moment. Blue Origin has a greater chance of getting to the Moon first. And that's saying something...

They're about a lot more than the moon lander.

Getting into the space electronics business is smart. They're probably by some stretch their own largest customer for now, but specialist chip packaging for the space environment is going to be a huge business.

SpaceX building $280M semiconductor research site in Bastrop
$17.3 million will come as a grant from the state’s Semiconductor Innovation Fund. The expansion is expected to create more than 400 jobs.
https://www.expressnews.com/business/article/spacex-starlink-bastrop-semiconductor-texas-20219596.php

kinabalu · June 5

Well it's good that these two gargantuan ghastlies have turned on each other. Let's hope the damage done is huge and mutual.

Leon · June 5

ohnotnow said:

Leon said:
Is the golden age of TV drama over? Because I am honestly struggling to find anything watchable - for the first time in 20 years 😢🤒
Murderbot is 'ok' - if you enjoy a little light sort-of-sci-fi. New series of 'The Brokenwood Mysteries' also went up a week or two ago if you like cosy murder mysteries. I recently caught up with 'Mrs. Davis' - which I enjoyed a lot after my initial 'wtf is this?' moments.

I like some recent comedies. And The Stage - as I said - is quite brilliant

Trouble is they are eight episodes of 25 minutes. It’s not enough. It’s a starvation diet. I like ten or twelve hour long episodes of drama that I can binge!

Maybe Succession was the farewell of the Golden Age. The Medici tomb of the TV Renaissance

If so, quite fitting

kle4 · June 5

ohnotnow said:

Leon said:
Is the golden age of TV drama over? Because I am honestly struggling to find anything watchable - for the first time in 20 years 😢🤒
Murderbot is 'ok' - if you enjoy a little light sort-of-sci-fi.

I read the first couple of books in that series, and they are very brief, I felt like the premise was squandered a bit by being so insubstantial, so a light approach sounds like the right approach for TV.

kle4 · June 5

kinabalu said:
Well it's good that these two gargantuan ghastlies have turned on each other. Let's hope the damage done is huge and mutual.

And contained.

ydoethur · June 5

williamglenn said:
Musk says that Trump should be replaced with Vance.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930719235770359903?s=46

Much though I despise Trump, that would probably be the greater of two evils.

ohnotnow · June 5

kle4 said:

ohnotnow said:

Leon said:
Is the golden age of TV drama over? Because I am honestly struggling to find anything watchable - for the first time in 20 years 😢🤒
Murderbot is 'ok' - if you enjoy a little light sort-of-sci-fi.
I read the first couple of books in that series, and they are very brief, I felt like the premise was squandered a bit by being so insubstantial, so a light approach sounds like the right approach for TV.

I think - having listened to the audio books - they've got the tone about right for the telly. Bit mind-candy, but with the odd 'whoah!' moment to keep you engaged.

kle4 · June 5

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:
Musk says that Trump should be replaced with Vance.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930719235770359903?s=46
Much though I despise Trump, that would probably be the greater of two evils.

Trump without charisma and more focus?

ydoethur · June 5

Pertinent...

Question tho, why were you homies with him if you knew he was on the Epstein list? That would kinda rule out a friendship for me…

https://x.com/magsonthemoon/status/1930719758854332617

ohnotnow · June 5

Leon said:

ohnotnow said:

Leon said:
Is the golden age of TV drama over? Because I am honestly struggling to find anything watchable - for the first time in 20 years 😢🤒
Murderbot is 'ok' - if you enjoy a little light sort-of-sci-fi. New series of 'The Brokenwood Mysteries' also went up a week or two ago if you like cosy murder mysteries. I recently caught up with 'Mrs. Davis' - which I enjoyed a lot after my initial 'wtf is this?' moments.
I like some recent comedies. And The Stage - as I said - is quite brilliant

Trouble is they are eight episodes of 25 minutes. It’s not enough. It’s a starvation diet. I like ten or twelve hour long episodes of drama that I can binge!

Maybe Succession was the farewell of the Golden Age. The Medici tomb of the TV Renaissance

If so, quite fitting

Rewatch 'Threads' before the remake comes out. Then some Edge of Darkness.

Right cheery stuff ;-)

ydoethur · June 5

kle4 said:

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:
Musk says that Trump should be replaced with Vance.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930719235770359903?s=46
Much though I despise Trump, that would probably be the greater of two evils.
Trump without charisma and more focus?

Trump with more ability to concentrate and an even nastier mind.

Phil · June 5

I think we can all agree with this sentiment:

Nigelb · June 5

rottenborough said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Leon said:
I don’t know which is worse, the complete breakdown of western politics into crazy self harming populists versus deranged and treacherous lefties, or the sudden lack of decent TV drama
This IS TV drama! Every news channel will cover it
It's like Succession but if Logan and Roman had nukes.
Who will Andreessen and Thiel and Vance back?

That was the other Epstein news today - apparently he was Thiel's early backer.

solarflare · June 5

I think what we need is for Trump-Musk to get so acrimonious it actually turns reality inside-out so that they become friends again, and THEN they fall out again.

Theuniondivvie · June 5

Leon said:
Is the golden age of TV drama over? Because I am honestly struggling to find anything watchable - for the first time in 20 years 😢🤒

Department Q on Netflix is trying a bit too hard but still watchable. Good, grainy downbeat views of Edinburgh.

Also Mountainhead from the guy who did Succession on tonight.

TheScreamingEagles · June 5

Nigelb said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RochdalePioneers said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

another_richard said:
The Reform bust up is looking rather pound shop.
As somebody who has worked corporate governance for a quarter of a century I cannot help but focus on this.

Whats the problem? lol
I also note there's no company secretary.

So who has the obligation to keep appropriate records?
We've seen your Farage photograph.
Appropriate isn't in his vocabulary.

I hear you, I will use that Farage photo in a header in the next few days.

ydoethur · June 5

Phil said:
I think we can all agree with this sentiment:

I haven't seen any evidence that Amanda Spielman is involved?

occasionalranter · June 5

williamglenn said:
Musk says that Trump should be replaced with Vance.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930719235770359903?s=46

Would effectively put Thiel and Musk in charge. #PaybackPal or something.

wooliedyed · June 5

Bsdly written movie. Get on with it

JosiasJessop · June 5

rottenborough said:
Elon Musk

@elonmusk
·
9m
In light of the President’s statement about cancellation of my government contracts,
@SpaceX
will begin decommissioning its Dragon spacecraft immediately

If he’s not careful, he'll get SpaceX taken off him. It's too critical to the US for him to even say that...

ydoethur · June 5

In light of the headline, are Musk and Trump a pair of total Werps?

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