The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Just wait until you hear how long Christmas lasts.
And Easter eggs are available from around New Years onwards.
Start seeing Poppies just after Bonfire Night.
That things spread out over time is hardly unique.
Your corner shop is slow there - our corner shop marks December 1st by getting the Creme Eggs out...
I’ve avoided a smart meter, not due to woke or any other shite like that, due to their reported unreliability.
Are they okay now, is it worth getting one ?
Been considering it.
Yes, they're fine now
Absolutely
EDF have given me 4 consecutive Sundays with free electricity between 8am and midnight due to my use of electricity out of peak times and all because I have a smart meter
Anyone who allowed a smart meter to be installed is a fool, its networked.....sooner or later you will have script kiddies turning them off for fun. They are less secure than an essex girls virginity
Happy for them to turn off my smart meter. Thanks for the free electricity Vladimir.
Yesterday we had a wonderfully middle class discussion about Worth Matravers and how the pies in the pub are the greatest in the U.K. (they’re not, but…). Anyway here is a pic of Dalek Quarry as my mates call it. Winspit Quarry. The only reason to visit Worth Matravers.
Go, visit, stand on the rock Tom Baker stood on, and enjoy.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
I had a delivery today from DPD - their app showed flags with the pride stripes.
Completely nuts. (or not nuts, or indeterminate nuts, or false nuts, or imaginary nuts, or unimagined nuts)
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
You're not going to call me Gammon as well?
Slipping.
Seriously, you guys have a massive blindspot on this and you haven't a clue what's coming.
Go on. Enlighten us. What’s coming?
Your EDI religion is going to be purged.
Purged how? Trump hasn’t been successful in eliminating it from the US corporate sphere so I can’t see how Nigel and his merry men will manage. Ultimately lots of us like it.
Oh he's definitely had an impact. And it's certainly on the retreat.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
Companies are not free to take on whatever policies they see fit. They have to comply with all sorts of regulations on diversity and equality.
Like what? They have to not discriminate on protected characteristics, but I can’t think of much they have to comply with in terms of “regulations on diversity and equality”. Cite some legislation if this is true.
It's not enough not to discriminate; they have to prove they are not discriminating. They are also obliged to publish details about their compliance with diversity targets for women and ethnic minorities in the boardroom.
They have to publish data. That’s it. To be honest I am not really in favour of regulations like that but it’s not exactly onerous for a big company.
There's a good bit in Clarkson's Farm and he's moaning about equalities and the builder points out it just means he has to put a couple of disabled parking spots in.
Equalities has malicious effects. It has bankruptee councils through equal pay claims where judges try and second guess the market.
Jesus,don’t get onto that. You’ll trigger the obnoxious Dougseal. He’s not Joe Hendry, say his name etc etc.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Just wait until you hear how long Christmas lasts.
And Easter eggs are available from around New Years onwards.
Start seeing Poppies just after Bonfire Night.
That things spread out over time is hardly unique.
Your corner shop is slow there - our corner shop marks December 1st by getting the Creme Eggs out...
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Just wait until you hear how long Christmas lasts.
And Easter eggs are available from around New Years onwards.
Start seeing Poppies just after Bonfire Night.
That things spread out over time is hardly unique.
M&S gluten-free hot cross buns are available year round.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
Bloody football on ITV so watching classic Star Trek on Legend. Just got to the ‘teach me about this strange earth custom called Kissing, Captain’ scene 👍
"Please, Captain. Not in front of the Klingons!" - Spock.
I’ve avoided a smart meter, not due to woke or any other shite like that, due to their reported unreliability.
Are they okay now, is it worth getting one ?
Been considering it.
Yes, they're fine now
Absolutely
EDF have given me 4 consecutive Sundays with free electricity between 8am and midnight due to my use of electricity out of peak times and all because I have a smart meter
Anyone who allowed a smart meter to be installed is a fool, its networked.....sooner or later you will have script kiddies turning them off for fun. They are less secure than an essex girls virginity
Happy for them to turn off my smart meter. Thanks for the free electricity Vladimir.
You wont get free electricity they will simply turn you off so you have no electricity it is a facility built into smart meters deliberately so they dont need to enter your house to disconnect you. You think a hacker having a laugh plans on giving you free power....no they will cut all the electric they can especially as a lot of hacktivists also tend to have eco tendencies
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
If its universal, then why do so many people not have this "problem"?
What seems to be universal is that events happen that people are free to take part in, if they choose to do so.
That people are scorned or suspect or anything else if they don't take part in one event does not seem to be remotely universal.
Just live and let live.
You must be the world's most boring man
I assume you've ran out of arguments to bitch and moan about now that you're just turning personal and silly.
I was responding to the statements and not turning personal.
If people want to celebrate Christmas for a month instead of a day, or wear poppies for a month instead of a day, or wear a lanyard for a month instead of a day, just let them. If you don't want to, then don't, its not mandatory.
If people want to do something they enjoy, then there's no harm in that. You don't need to take part, but you don't need to object either.
Your view is that on every subject you can win an argument simply by being more relentless and repetitive than everyone else, and always having the last word.
It doesn't work like that.
Doubtless you'll respond to this and claim some sort of victory - you simply won't be able to help yourself - but I'm happy with the points I've made and that I've addressed yours.
I won't be engaging with you further.
Nothing like a bit of Blue on Blue action!
The right seems so obsessed with the minutiae of cultural issues, nowadays, that they have lost sight of the masses of ordinary folk simply wanting the country to work and to have the chance to improve their lives. That Farage at least has this on his radar screen, whereas the Tories do not, explains a lot.
Bloody football on ITV so watching classic Star Trek on Legend. Just got to the ‘teach me about this strange earth custom called Kissing, Captain’ scene 👍
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
It's become a religion.
365 days of Pride sounds like an excellent alternative to this otherwise bleak existence. Sign me up, soldier
On the previous thread, there was a discussion about why we don't have more pumped storage.
And the answer is that there actually aren't that many suitable sites. You need to have two reservoirs that are very close, of sufficient size, and which have enough vertical drop between them.
That's a pretty rare combination.
They also take up a lot of space, are not inexpensive to build, are more convenient if they are close to existing intermittent power sources (and ideally demand) so as to avoid the need to build out transmission capacity, and are far from maintenance free.
Plus they often involve having to compulsory purchase order a bunch of people's property, because the chance that all the space is going to belong to a single landowner is really small.
The pumped storage schemes I mentioned in the Highlands use existing lochs (Ness and Awe) as the lower reservoir. You need to build the upper reservoirs, which are about 1km wide, on the mountain tops, land has no economic value. Drop is 500m. They are close to existing power lines that are being upgraded to handle additional wind farms. They are definitely expensive to build, but on current estimates a fraction of Hinckley C and probably more useful.
You ask @malcolmg what he thinks of despoiling those landscapes. Technically, they're quite attractive...
Despoiled landscape? Basically the lochan in the picture becomes a bigger one. No-one is going to see it anyway
This is the same fallacy that is said about moorland wind farms. "They're just a few pylons". They're not. It's a few pylons plus all the infrastructure required to support them - the haul roads alone to get the turbines up there are massive scars on the landscape.
And remember, moorlands are a vast reservoir for CO2, especially now that some of the dodgy practices of the past are being resolved. I haven't been up on Kinder Scout or Bleaklow for a few years, and apparently it is very different (and better...) up there now thanks to all the work done. (*)
I have zero problems with wind farms in lowland areas - heck, I quite like the one near my house (built on an old WW2 airfield). But I do think it is very wise to preserve the few wildernesses that we have left.
The tracks for wind turbines are far worse than for pylons too. It's a complex issue - there's not much in the way of ecological value in our grouse moors, but they are cultural icons. Sometimes a scrappy bit of dune is the last habitat for a moth. There are peregrines nesting on the 70s monstrosity down the road.
Offshore wind is causing real issues for our magnificent seabird colonies - some of the most important in the world. I glance up at the great turd in the middle of Edinburgh and flinch towards even more regulation.
I don't think anyone can come away from these debates satisfied, tbh.
It feels a bit like the repetition of a theme.
London gets all the power and everywhere else can go hang.
Solar farms on Surrey golf courses please.
How many people play Wentworth?
BTW, The Pennine moors aren't exempt - there is a big wind scheme proposed for Calderdale on SSSI moorland.
One way you get the SE to contribute is to charge CGT on primary residences but offer a 200% allowance on any investment in batteries, solar, heat pumps, EV charging points.
Yesterday we had a wonderfully middle class discussion about Worth Matravers and how the pies in the pub are the greatest in the U.K. (they’re not, but…). Anyway here is a pic of Dalek Quarry as my mates call it. Winspit Quarry. The only reason to visit Worth Matravers.
Go, visit, stand on the rock Tom Baker stood on, and enjoy.
Had no idea that was there. The thing about the Square & Compasses is not the 8/10 pies, it's the beer:
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
It's become a religion.
We live in a world where we are expected to celebrate for a month because someone likes it up the bum. 🌈 🤷🏼♂️
On the previous thread, there was a discussion about why we don't have more pumped storage.
And the answer is that there actually aren't that many suitable sites. You need to have two reservoirs that are very close, of sufficient size, and which have enough vertical drop between them.
That's a pretty rare combination.
They also take up a lot of space, are not inexpensive to build, are more convenient if they are close to existing intermittent power sources (and ideally demand) so as to avoid the need to build out transmission capacity, and are far from maintenance free.
Plus they often involve having to compulsory purchase order a bunch of people's property, because the chance that all the space is going to belong to a single landowner is really small.
The pumped storage schemes I mentioned in the Highlands use existing lochs (Ness and Awe) as the lower reservoir. You need to build the upper reservoirs, which are about 1km wide, on the mountain tops, land has no economic value. Drop is 500m. They are close to existing power lines that are being upgraded to handle additional wind farms. They are definitely expensive to build, but on current estimates a fraction of Hinckley C and probably more useful.
You ask @malcolmg what he thinks of despoiling those landscapes. Technically, they're quite attractive...
Despoiled landscape? Basically the lochan in the picture becomes a bigger one. No-one is going to see it anyway
This is the same fallacy that is said about moorland wind farms. "They're just a few pylons". They're not. It's a few pylons plus all the infrastructure required to support them - the haul roads alone to get the turbines up there are massive scars on the landscape.
And remember, moorlands are a vast reservoir for CO2, especially now that some of the dodgy practices of the past are being resolved. I haven't been up on Kinder Scout or Bleaklow for a few years, and apparently it is very different (and better...) up there now thanks to all the work done. (*)
I have zero problems with wind farms in lowland areas - heck, I quite like the one near my house (built on an old WW2 airfield). But I do think it is very wise to preserve the few wildernesses that we have left.
The tracks for wind turbines are far worse than for pylons too. It's a complex issue - there's not much in the way of ecological value in our grouse moors, but they are cultural icons. Sometimes a scrappy bit of dune is the last habitat for a moth. There are peregrines nesting on the 70s monstrosity down the road.
Offshore wind is causing real issues for our magnificent seabird colonies - some of the most important in the world. I glance up at the great turd in the middle of Edinburgh and flinch towards even more regulation.
I don't think anyone can come away from these debates satisfied, tbh.
It feels a bit like the repetition of a theme.
London gets all the power and everywhere else can go hang.
Solar farms on Surrey golf courses please.
How many people play Wentworth?
BTW, The Pennine moors aren't exempt - there is a big wind scheme proposed for Calderdale on SSSI moorland.
One way you get the SE to contribute is to charge CGT on primary residences but offer a 200% allowance on any investment in batteries, solar, heat pumps, EV charging points.
The problem with that is the *land* in the North gets the benefit of the capital expenditure but the *people* in the South get a bigger benefit from the allowance. You’ll simply increase inequality which won’t get offset by some additional jobs in windmill maintenance.
On the previous thread, there was a discussion about why we don't have more pumped storage.
And the answer is that there actually aren't that many suitable sites. You need to have two reservoirs that are very close, of sufficient size, and which have enough vertical drop between them.
That's a pretty rare combination.
They also take up a lot of space, are not inexpensive to build, are more convenient if they are close to existing intermittent power sources (and ideally demand) so as to avoid the need to build out transmission capacity, and are far from maintenance free.
Plus they often involve having to compulsory purchase order a bunch of people's property, because the chance that all the space is going to belong to a single landowner is really small.
The pumped storage schemes I mentioned in the Highlands use existing lochs (Ness and Awe) as the lower reservoir. You need to build the upper reservoirs, which are about 1km wide, on the mountain tops, land has no economic value. Drop is 500m. They are close to existing power lines that are being upgraded to handle additional wind farms. They are definitely expensive to build, but on current estimates a fraction of Hinckley C and probably more useful.
You ask @malcolmg what he thinks of despoiling those landscapes. Technically, they're quite attractive...
Despoiled landscape? Basically the lochan in the picture becomes a bigger one. No-one is going to see it anyway
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
It's become a religion.
We live in a world where we are expected to celebrate for a month because someone likes it up the bum. 🌈 🤷🏼♂️
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
I had a delivery today from DPD - their app showed flags with the pride stripes.
Completely nuts. (or not nuts, or indeterminate nuts, or false nuts, or imaginary nuts, or unimagined nuts)
Some people like it, more people most like it compared to the @Casino_Royale 's of this world because they wouldn't do it if it wasn't profitable.
Also it means you've mentioned DPD online today and that by itself is worth a tiny bit of marketing value..
£-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.
I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.
If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
It is, but I doubt anything similar will be built again as it will very soon be cheaper to replicate its capabilities with a large battery storage facility.
I believe it cost around £425m, forty years ago. It would be nearer £1.5bn today, I think ?
Large battery storage isn't even that necessary when we're transitioning to lots of small battery storage.
Dinorwig's 9.1 GWh of storage is the equivalent of 140,000 vehicles with a 65 kWh battery, or the equivalent of 0.4% of the vehicles on the road.
Why spend billions on that, when we're transitioning anyway?
The amount of storage we will have in this country in a few years time utterly dwarfs anything imaginable today.
This is also spot on.
On the couple of occasions over the last few decades where there's been an issue with the fuel supply for domestic motor vehicles, we always see cases of people dangerously storing fuel in their sheds, etc.
This is because in a situation of scarcity people do not behave economically rationally, they hoard scarce resources rather than sell them.
The same would be true of fully charged car batteries. If there's a high pressure forecast for a week, and even if a fully charged battery would normally last a person for a month of driving, rather than sell their excess energy for a profit, most people will want to hang onto it, just in case.
That is ultimately why there will be a market for grid scale storage owned by people willing to sell their energy at a profit when energy is scarce.
With that said... if power was properly priced, then people would make economically rational decisions about when to use it too.
If it costs you £5 to run the dishwasher now, then maybe you'll postpone it.
I dunno. I think that would be very unpopular and wouldn't last long in most democracies.
You can do it now with octopus, you just set your dishwasher/washing machine to start in x hours which all new ones can do. Just like you set your car to charge
People are used to the convenience of being able to use electricity when they want. A few geeks will enjoy playing the system and looking at the numbers, but most people will see it as a nuisance and a step backwards.
Household chores are enough of a hassle without having to plan them with the aid of the weather forecast. That's why people pay for a dishwasher, or a robot vacuum cleaner/lawnmower. They don't want to micromanage the whole thing.
It doesn't require micromanagement, there's a cheap nighttime tariff and you press start in 3 / 6 / x hours. People who do save a few pence, it helps the grid balance. When 2 way car chargers are available again then people will use their EV as a domestic battery. It is where it will go because it evens out demand.
Don't be daft few will use their car as a domestic battery, simple reason is they don't want to go to the car to go somewhere and find the car hasn't enough charge for where they want to go because the wind wasn't blowing in buttfuck nowhere
I would quite happily use my car as a domestic battery backup if I had one and if I had the electronics to make it work.
A typical household battery is 5-10 kWh, a typically car battery is 60-70 kWh. You could use the car battery as a domestic one and it would only take about 15% of the power - plus of course most inverter setups will stop the drain of the battery when it gets to a defined percentage anyway.
If you have an inverter setup you can just plug it in when at home and forget about it, draining when needed, and charging when its cheap, with no worries.
My petrol car doesn't normally sit on my driveway 100% full of petrol either, I allow the tank to drain and only refill it when there's only a few miles left in the tank.
That inverter setups are more expensive is a bigger reason most won't do it.
On the previous thread, there was a discussion about why we don't have more pumped storage.
And the answer is that there actually aren't that many suitable sites. You need to have two reservoirs that are very close, of sufficient size, and which have enough vertical drop between them.
That's a pretty rare combination.
They also take up a lot of space, are not inexpensive to build, are more convenient if they are close to existing intermittent power sources (and ideally demand) so as to avoid the need to build out transmission capacity, and are far from maintenance free.
Plus they often involve having to compulsory purchase order a bunch of people's property, because the chance that all the space is going to belong to a single landowner is really small.
The pumped storage schemes I mentioned in the Highlands use existing lochs (Ness and Awe) as the lower reservoir. You need to build the upper reservoirs, which are about 1km wide, on the mountain tops, land has no economic value. Drop is 500m. They are close to existing power lines that are being upgraded to handle additional wind farms. They are definitely expensive to build, but on current estimates a fraction of Hinckley C and probably more useful.
You ask @malcolmg what he thinks of despoiling those landscapes. Technically, they're quite attractive...
Despoiled landscape? Basically the lochan in the picture becomes a bigger one. No-one is going to see it anyway
This is the same fallacy that is said about moorland wind farms. "They're just a few pylons". They're not. It's a few pylons plus all the infrastructure required to support them - the haul roads alone to get the turbines up there are massive scars on the landscape.
And remember, moorlands are a vast reservoir for CO2, especially now that some of the dodgy practices of the past are being resolved. I haven't been up on Kinder Scout or Bleaklow for a few years, and apparently it is very different (and better...) up there now thanks to all the work done. (*)
I have zero problems with wind farms in lowland areas - heck, I quite like the one near my house (built on an old WW2 airfield). But I do think it is very wise to preserve the few wildernesses that we have left.
The tracks for wind turbines are far worse than for pylons too. It's a complex issue - there's not much in the way of ecological value in our grouse moors, but they are cultural icons. Sometimes a scrappy bit of dune is the last habitat for a moth. There are peregrines nesting on the 70s monstrosity down the road.
Offshore wind is causing real issues for our magnificent seabird colonies - some of the most important in the world. I glance up at the great turd in the middle of Edinburgh and flinch towards even more regulation.
I don't think anyone can come away from these debates satisfied, tbh.
It feels a bit like the repetition of a theme.
London gets all the power and everywhere else can go hang.
Solar farms on Surrey golf courses please.
How many people play Wentworth?
BTW, The Pennine moors aren't exempt - there is a big wind scheme proposed for Calderdale on SSSI moorland.
One way you get the SE to contribute is to charge CGT on primary residences but offer a 200% allowance on any investment in batteries, solar, heat pumps, EV charging points.
Yes. Definitely something like that. Small scale everywhere is much much better. Act local!
This is just a gold rush for the usual corporates which we may well live to regret.
£-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.
I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
Read up on the howling that occurring if someone thinks about thinking about maybe suggesting a hydro-electric scheme in the U.K.
You'd think there would be plenty of remote areas in Scotland they could use.
There are at least four pumped storage schemes with preliminary planning consent in the Highlands eg Coire Glas above Loch Ness. They are massive projects with complicated geology that will costs billions and take a decade or so to build. If they are all built they will hold about a third of a day's total UK electricity generation.
On the other hand, 300 GWh storage would suit an Independent Scotland very well, and a lot of the cost could be financed by a massive reduction in connection and transmission charges.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
It's become a religion.
We live in a world where we are expected to celebrate for a month because someone likes it up the bum. 🌈 🤷🏼♂️
Yesterday we had a wonderfully middle class discussion about Worth Matravers and how the pies in the pub are the greatest in the U.K. (they’re not, but…). Anyway here is a pic of Dalek Quarry as my mates call it. Winspit Quarry. The only reason to visit Worth Matravers.
Go, visit, stand on the rock Tom Baker stood on, and enjoy.
Had no idea that was there. The thing about the Square & Compasses is not the 8/10 pies, it's the beer:
As I mentioned yesterday my mate banged his head on the way out last time, as there’s a bit where the roof is low. The,locals,laughed 😂well we assumed they were locals.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
It's become a religion.
We live in a world where we are expected to celebrate for a month because someone likes it up the bum. 🌈 🤷🏼♂️
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
It's become a religion.
We live in a world where we are expected to celebrate for a month because someone likes it up the bum. 🌈 🤷🏼♂️
On the previous thread, there was a discussion about why we don't have more pumped storage.
And the answer is that there actually aren't that many suitable sites. You need to have two reservoirs that are very close, of sufficient size, and which have enough vertical drop between them.
That's a pretty rare combination.
They also take up a lot of space, are not inexpensive to build, are more convenient if they are close to existing intermittent power sources (and ideally demand) so as to avoid the need to build out transmission capacity, and are far from maintenance free.
Plus they often involve having to compulsory purchase order a bunch of people's property, because the chance that all the space is going to belong to a single landowner is really small.
The pumped storage schemes I mentioned in the Highlands use existing lochs (Ness and Awe) as the lower reservoir. You need to build the upper reservoirs, which are about 1km wide, on the mountain tops, land has no economic value. Drop is 500m. They are close to existing power lines that are being upgraded to handle additional wind farms. They are definitely expensive to build, but on current estimates a fraction of Hinckley C and probably more useful.
You ask @malcolmg what he thinks of despoiling those landscapes. Technically, they're quite attractive...
Despoiled landscape? Basically the lochan in the picture becomes a bigger one. No-one is going to see it anyway
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
It's become a religion.
We live in a world where we are expected to celebrate for a month because someone likes it up the bum. 🌈 🤷🏼♂️
Arguably better than celebrating someone being painfully nailed to a cross
Amusing is when other countries adopt customs because they want to make money on the custom, but they don't actually understand it, so it gets mistranslated.
In Japan you can get figures of bunnies on crosses at that time of year.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
It's become a religion.
We live in a world where we are expected to celebrate for a month because someone likes it up the bum. 🌈 🤷🏼♂️
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Just wait until you hear how long Christmas lasts.
And Easter eggs are available from around New Years onwards.
Start seeing Poppies just after Bonfire Night.
That things spread out over time is hardly unique.
M&S gluten-free hot cross buns are available year round.
Twice my wife has bought them instead of the regular version. They are bloody awful.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
It's become a religion.
We live in a world where we are expected to celebrate for a month because someone likes it up the bum. 🌈 🤷🏼♂️
On the previous thread, there was a discussion about why we don't have more pumped storage.
And the answer is that there actually aren't that many suitable sites. You need to have two reservoirs that are very close, of sufficient size, and which have enough vertical drop between them.
That's a pretty rare combination.
They also take up a lot of space, are not inexpensive to build, are more convenient if they are close to existing intermittent power sources (and ideally demand) so as to avoid the need to build out transmission capacity, and are far from maintenance free.
Plus they often involve having to compulsory purchase order a bunch of people's property, because the chance that all the space is going to belong to a single landowner is really small.
The pumped storage schemes I mentioned in the Highlands use existing lochs (Ness and Awe) as the lower reservoir. You need to build the upper reservoirs, which are about 1km wide, on the mountain tops, land has no economic value. Drop is 500m. They are close to existing power lines that are being upgraded to handle additional wind farms. They are definitely expensive to build, but on current estimates a fraction of Hinckley C and probably more useful.
You ask @malcolmg what he thinks of despoiling those landscapes. Technically, they're quite attractive...
Despoiled landscape? Basically the lochan in the picture becomes a bigger one. No-one is going to see it anyway
This is the same fallacy that is said about moorland wind farms. "They're just a few pylons". They're not. It's a few pylons plus all the infrastructure required to support them - the haul roads alone to get the turbines up there are massive scars on the landscape.
And remember, moorlands are a vast reservoir for CO2, especially now that some of the dodgy practices of the past are being resolved. I haven't been up on Kinder Scout or Bleaklow for a few years, and apparently it is very different (and better...) up there now thanks to all the work done. (*)
I have zero problems with wind farms in lowland areas - heck, I quite like the one near my house (built on an old WW2 airfield). But I do think it is very wise to preserve the few wildernesses that we have left.
The tracks for wind turbines are far worse than for pylons too. It's a complex issue - there's not much in the way of ecological value in our grouse moors, but they are cultural icons. Sometimes a scrappy bit of dune is the last habitat for a moth. There are peregrines nesting on the 70s monstrosity down the road.
Offshore wind is causing real issues for our magnificent seabird colonies - some of the most important in the world. I glance up at the great turd in the middle of Edinburgh and flinch towards even more regulation.
I don't think anyone can come away from these debates satisfied, tbh.
It feels a bit like the repetition of a theme.
London gets all the power and everywhere else can go hang.
Solar farms on Surrey golf courses please.
How many people play Wentworth?
BTW, The Pennine moors aren't exempt - there is a big wind scheme proposed for Calderdale on SSSI moorland.
One way you get the SE to contribute is to charge CGT on primary residences but offer a 200% allowance on any investment in batteries, solar, heat pumps, EV charging points.
A year of so ago, PB went round this comedy - “Evul Rich Southeners Put Wind Farms On Other People’s Land”.
Until someone pointed out that the map of on shore wind farms correlates perfectly with the map of high probability of continuous wind.
£-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.
I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.
If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
It is, but I doubt anything similar will be built again as it will very soon be cheaper to replicate its capabilities with a large battery storage facility.
I believe it cost around £425m, forty years ago. It would be nearer £1.5bn today, I think ?
Large battery storage isn't even that necessary when we're transitioning to lots of small battery storage.
Dinorwig's 9.1 GWh of storage is the equivalent of 140,000 vehicles with a 65 kWh battery, or the equivalent of 0.4% of the vehicles on the road.
Why spend billions on that, when we're transitioning anyway?
The amount of storage we will have in this country in a few years time utterly dwarfs anything imaginable today.
This is also spot on.
On the couple of occasions over the last few decades where there's been an issue with the fuel supply for domestic motor vehicles, we always see cases of people dangerously storing fuel in their sheds, etc.
This is because in a situation of scarcity people do not behave economically rationally, they hoard scarce resources rather than sell them.
The same would be true of fully charged car batteries. If there's a high pressure forecast for a week, and even if a fully charged battery would normally last a person for a month of driving, rather than sell their excess energy for a profit, most people will want to hang onto it, just in case.
That is ultimately why there will be a market for grid scale storage owned by people willing to sell their energy at a profit when energy is scarce.
With that said... if power was properly priced, then people would make economically rational decisions about when to use it too.
If it costs you £5 to run the dishwasher now, then maybe you'll postpone it.
I dunno. I think that would be very unpopular and wouldn't last long in most democracies.
You can do it now with octopus, you just set your dishwasher/washing machine to start in x hours which all new ones can do. Just like you set your car to charge
People are used to the convenience of being able to use electricity when they want. A few geeks will enjoy playing the system and looking at the numbers, but most people will see it as a nuisance and a step backwards.
Household chores are enough of a hassle without having to plan them with the aid of the weather forecast. That's why people pay for a dishwasher, or a robot vacuum cleaner/lawnmower. They don't want to micromanage the whole thing.
It doesn't require micromanagement, there's a cheap nighttime tariff and you press start in 3 / 6 / x hours. People who do save a few pence, it helps the grid balance. When 2 way car chargers are available again then people will use their EV as a domestic battery. It is where it will go because it evens out demand.
Don't be daft few will use their car as a domestic battery, simple reason is they don't want to go to the car to go somewhere and find the car hasn't enough charge for where they want to go because the wind wasn't blowing in buttfuck nowhere
I would quite happily use my car as a domestic battery backup if I had one and if I had the electronics to make it work.
A typical household battery is 5-10 kWh, a typically car battery is 60-70 kWh. You could use the car battery as a domestic one and it would only take about 15% of the power - plus of course most inverter setups will stop the drain of the battery when it gets to a defined percentage anyway.
If you have an inverter setup you can just plug it in when at home and forget about it, draining when needed, and charging when its cheap, with no worries.
My petrol car doesn't normally sit on my driveway 100% full of petrol either, I allow the tank to drain and only refill it when there's only a few miles left in the tank.
That inverter setups are more expensive is a bigger reason most won't do it.
You would until the first time you go out in the morning to drive somewhere and find you no longer have the charge for it due to your battery being drained for domestic use. You analogy to your petrol car is pointless as your petrol car is not being drained of fuel to supply your house it has the same amount of petrol in it as when you parked it. I doubt very much you park it with hardly any petrol in knowing you have to drive 100 miles the following day.
The situation using a car to power your house is exactly the opposite....you park it has more than enough power to get you where you need to be tomorrow...but then the battery is drained because there is insufficient wind and when you goto leave in the morning you no longer have sufficient power in the battery.
It will happen to people precisely once before they go fuck that, my car isn't powering the house
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
I had a delivery today from DPD - their app showed flags with the pride stripes.
Completely nuts. (or not nuts, or indeterminate nuts, or false nuts, or imaginary nuts, or unimagined nuts)
Some people like it, more people most like it compared to the @Casino_Royale 's of this world because they wouldn't do it if it wasn't profitable.
Also it means you've mentioned DPD online today and that by itself is worth a tiny bit of marketing value..
Oh, it's generally fine. I'm an old dinosaur, but I rather like the freedom with which people can just do what they like. I'm far less keen on the demonstrative elements.
I think there ought to be a word for people that are discomforted by the results of the free expression of sexuality. (Rather than being discomforted by the facts) - anyway I'd be a mild whatever the word might be.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
You're not going to call me Gammon as well?
Slipping.
Seriously, you guys have a massive blindspot on this and you haven't a clue what's coming.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
It's become a religion.
We live in a world where we are expected to celebrate for a month because someone likes it up the bum. 🌈 🤷🏼♂️
I like companies that celebrate Pride Month while simultaneously celebrating their latest contract in a country where you get locked up for being gay.
Ah, a fellow Newcastle United fan
To be fair at my previous firm there was a number of people who refused to do work for such clubs/companies and they were allowed to do so without prejudice or sanction
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Just wait until you hear how long Christmas lasts.
And Easter eggs are available from around New Years onwards.
Start seeing Poppies just after Bonfire Night.
That things spread out over time is hardly unique.
M&S gluten-free hot cross buns are available year round.
Twice my wife has bought them instead of the regular version. They are bloody awful.
Waitrose did some blueberry hcb - I've not seem them again, but they were really good.
£-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.
I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.
If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
It is, but I doubt anything similar will be built again as it will very soon be cheaper to replicate its capabilities with a large battery storage facility.
I believe it cost around £425m, forty years ago. It would be nearer £1.5bn today, I think ?
Large battery storage isn't even that necessary when we're transitioning to lots of small battery storage.
Dinorwig's 9.1 GWh of storage is the equivalent of 140,000 vehicles with a 65 kWh battery, or the equivalent of 0.4% of the vehicles on the road.
Why spend billions on that, when we're transitioning anyway?
The amount of storage we will have in this country in a few years time utterly dwarfs anything imaginable today.
This is also spot on.
On the couple of occasions over the last few decades where there's been an issue with the fuel supply for domestic motor vehicles, we always see cases of people dangerously storing fuel in their sheds, etc.
This is because in a situation of scarcity people do not behave economically rationally, they hoard scarce resources rather than sell them.
The same would be true of fully charged car batteries. If there's a high pressure forecast for a week, and even if a fully charged battery would normally last a person for a month of driving, rather than sell their excess energy for a profit, most people will want to hang onto it, just in case.
That is ultimately why there will be a market for grid scale storage owned by people willing to sell their energy at a profit when energy is scarce.
With that said... if power was properly priced, then people would make economically rational decisions about when to use it too.
If it costs you £5 to run the dishwasher now, then maybe you'll postpone it.
I dunno. I think that would be very unpopular and wouldn't last long in most democracies.
Economics is the study of the efficient allocation of scarce resources.
A lot of stuff we do is hiding those real choices from people, by making things that are scarce appear unlimited.
FWIW - in some Swiss cantons, from the 1970s, they've had households with two electrical circuits. One of which was only on during periods of low electricity prices. So, you can put your dishwasher on there if you like, and not get to use it for half the day... but when you do use it, it costs a lot less. It doesn't seem to have caused them terrible problems.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Just wait until you hear how long Christmas lasts.
And Easter eggs are available from around New Years onwards.
Start seeing Poppies just after Bonfire Night.
That things spread out over time is hardly unique.
M&S gluten-free hot cross buns are available year round.
This comment so perfectly encapsulates you as a poster that I might bookmark it.
£-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.
I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.
If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
It is, but I doubt anything similar will be built again as it will very soon be cheaper to replicate its capabilities with a large battery storage facility.
I believe it cost around £425m, forty years ago. It would be nearer £1.5bn today, I think ?
Large battery storage isn't even that necessary when we're transitioning to lots of small battery storage.
Dinorwig's 9.1 GWh of storage is the equivalent of 140,000 vehicles with a 65 kWh battery, or the equivalent of 0.4% of the vehicles on the road.
Why spend billions on that, when we're transitioning anyway?
The amount of storage we will have in this country in a few years time utterly dwarfs anything imaginable today.
This is also spot on.
On the couple of occasions over the last few decades where there's been an issue with the fuel supply for domestic motor vehicles, we always see cases of people dangerously storing fuel in their sheds, etc.
This is because in a situation of scarcity people do not behave economically rationally, they hoard scarce resources rather than sell them.
The same would be true of fully charged car batteries. If there's a high pressure forecast for a week, and even if a fully charged battery would normally last a person for a month of driving, rather than sell their excess energy for a profit, most people will want to hang onto it, just in case.
That is ultimately why there will be a market for grid scale storage owned by people willing to sell their energy at a profit when energy is scarce.
With that said... if power was properly priced, then people would make economically rational decisions about when to use it too.
If it costs you £5 to run the dishwasher now, then maybe you'll postpone it.
I dunno. I think that would be very unpopular and wouldn't last long in most democracies.
Economics is the study of the efficient allocation of scarce resources.
A lot of stuff we do is hiding those real choices from people, by making things that are scarce appear unlimited.
FWIW - in some Swiss cantons, from the 1970s, they've had households with two electrical circuits. One of which was only on during periods of low electricity prices. So, you can put your dishwasher on there if you like, and not get to use it for half the day... but when you do use it, it costs a lot less. It doesn't seem to have caused them terrible problems.
Isn’t that just the same as the old Economy 7 meters?
I’ve avoided a smart meter, not due to woke or any other shite like that, due to their reported unreliability.
Are they okay now, is it worth getting one ?
Been considering it.
Yes, they're fine now
Absolutely
EDF have given me 4 consecutive Sundays with free electricity between 8am and midnight due to my use of electricity out of peak times and all because I have a smart meter
Anyone who allowed a smart meter to be installed is a fool, its networked.....sooner or later you will have script kiddies turning them off for fun. They are less secure than an essex girls virginity
I have no idea about Essex girls, but safe to say I monitor it regularly with all the data and it works well, and provides free electricity on occassions, not least 48 hours in May
On the previous thread, there was a discussion about why we don't have more pumped storage.
And the answer is that there actually aren't that many suitable sites. You need to have two reservoirs that are very close, of sufficient size, and which have enough vertical drop between them.
That's a pretty rare combination.
They also take up a lot of space, are not inexpensive to build, are more convenient if they are close to existing intermittent power sources (and ideally demand) so as to avoid the need to build out transmission capacity, and are far from maintenance free.
Plus they often involve having to compulsory purchase order a bunch of people's property, because the chance that all the space is going to belong to a single landowner is really small.
The pumped storage schemes I mentioned in the Highlands use existing lochs (Ness and Awe) as the lower reservoir. You need to build the upper reservoirs, which are about 1km wide, on the mountain tops, land has no economic value. Drop is 500m. They are close to existing power lines that are being upgraded to handle additional wind farms. They are definitely expensive to build, but on current estimates a fraction of Hinckley C and probably more useful.
You ask @malcolmg what he thinks of despoiling those landscapes. Technically, they're quite attractive...
Despoiled landscape? Basically the lochan in the picture becomes a bigger one. No-one is going to see it anyway
This is the same fallacy that is said about moorland wind farms. "They're just a few pylons". They're not. It's a few pylons plus all the infrastructure required to support them - the haul roads alone to get the turbines up there are massive scars on the landscape.
And remember, moorlands are a vast reservoir for CO2, especially now that some of the dodgy practices of the past are being resolved. I haven't been up on Kinder Scout or Bleaklow for a few years, and apparently it is very different (and better...) up there now thanks to all the work done. (*)
I have zero problems with wind farms in lowland areas - heck, I quite like the one near my house (built on an old WW2 airfield). But I do think it is very wise to preserve the few wildernesses that we have left.
The tracks for wind turbines are far worse than for pylons too. It's a complex issue - there's not much in the way of ecological value in our grouse moors, but they are cultural icons. Sometimes a scrappy bit of dune is the last habitat for a moth. There are peregrines nesting on the 70s monstrosity down the road.
Offshore wind is causing real issues for our magnificent seabird colonies - some of the most important in the world. I glance up at the great turd in the middle of Edinburgh and flinch towards even more regulation.
I don't think anyone can come away from these debates satisfied, tbh.
It feels a bit like the repetition of a theme.
London gets all the power and everywhere else can go hang.
Solar farms on Surrey golf courses please.
How many people play Wentworth?
BTW, The Pennine moors aren't exempt - there is a big wind scheme proposed for Calderdale on SSSI moorland.
One way you get the SE to contribute is to charge CGT on primary residences but offer a 200% allowance on any investment in batteries, solar, heat pumps, EV charging points.
A year of so ago, PB went round this comedy - “Evul Rich Southeners Put Wind Farms On Other People’s Land”.
Until someone pointed out that the map of on shore wind farms correlates perfectly with the map of high probability of continuous wind.
Yes, they put the wind farms where the wind is.
One issue with solar farms is that there is zero community benefit, whereas there usually was with wind turbines (ugly or otherwise).
We have a massive project ("Whitestone Solar Farm") locally which proposes to cover a significant proportion of the green space around Doncaster and Rotherham with panels.
All because we have lots of pylons from the coal era.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
It's become a religion.
We live in a world where we are expected to celebrate for a month because someone likes it up the bum. 🌈 🤷🏼♂️
£-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.
I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.
If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
It is, but I doubt anything similar will be built again as it will very soon be cheaper to replicate its capabilities with a large battery storage facility.
I believe it cost around £425m, forty years ago. It would be nearer £1.5bn today, I think ?
Large battery storage isn't even that necessary when we're transitioning to lots of small battery storage.
Dinorwig's 9.1 GWh of storage is the equivalent of 140,000 vehicles with a 65 kWh battery, or the equivalent of 0.4% of the vehicles on the road.
Why spend billions on that, when we're transitioning anyway?
The amount of storage we will have in this country in a few years time utterly dwarfs anything imaginable today.
This is also spot on.
On the couple of occasions over the last few decades where there's been an issue with the fuel supply for domestic motor vehicles, we always see cases of people dangerously storing fuel in their sheds, etc.
This is because in a situation of scarcity people do not behave economically rationally, they hoard scarce resources rather than sell them.
The same would be true of fully charged car batteries. If there's a high pressure forecast for a week, and even if a fully charged battery would normally last a person for a month of driving, rather than sell their excess energy for a profit, most people will want to hang onto it, just in case.
That is ultimately why there will be a market for grid scale storage owned by people willing to sell their energy at a profit when energy is scarce.
With that said... if power was properly priced, then people would make economically rational decisions about when to use it too.
If it costs you £5 to run the dishwasher now, then maybe you'll postpone it.
I dunno. I think that would be very unpopular and wouldn't last long in most democracies.
Economics is the study of the efficient allocation of scarce resources.
A lot of stuff we do is hiding those real choices from people, by making things that are scarce appear unlimited.
FWIW - in some Swiss cantons, from the 1970s, they've had households with two electrical circuits. One of which was only on during periods of low electricity prices. So, you can put your dishwasher on there if you like, and not get to use it for half the day... but when you do use it, it costs a lot less. It doesn't seem to have caused them terrible problems.
I thought economics was the science of explaining why the prediction you made last month turned out not to mirror todays reality
I like companies that celebrate Pride Month while simultaneously celebrating their latest contract in a country where you get locked up for being gay.
I like companies and charities and government bodies that celebrate Pride month even as they celebrate mass migration from the most homophobic places on earth, thereby guaranteeing that some way down the line the latter phenomenon will menace or destroy the first
See how the most homophobic place in the UK is…. London
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
It's become a religion.
We live in a world where we are expected to celebrate for a month because someone likes it up the bum. 🌈 🤷🏼♂️
I’ve avoided a smart meter, not due to woke or any other shite like that, due to their reported unreliability.
Are they okay now, is it worth getting one ?
Been considering it.
Yes, they're fine now
Absolutely
EDF have given me 4 consecutive Sundays with free electricity between 8am and midnight due to my use of electricity out of peak times and all because I have a smart meter
Anyone who allowed a smart meter to be installed is a fool, its networked.....sooner or later you will have script kiddies turning them off for fun. They are less secure than an essex girls virginity
I have no idea about Essex girls, but safe to say I monitor it regularly with all the data and it works well, and provides free electricity on occassions, not least 48 hours in May
Could I gently suggest to @Casino_Royale that he makes his way to Paris for June 28th. All your LBGTQIA+ questions will be answered there. Or you can have a bloody good time by going with the flow. And those guys in beards with the platform soles - just ignore their enthusiastic banter. They are out for a good time too.
£-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.
I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.
If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
It is, but I doubt anything similar will be built again as it will very soon be cheaper to replicate its capabilities with a large battery storage facility.
I believe it cost around £425m, forty years ago. It would be nearer £1.5bn today, I think ?
Large battery storage isn't even that necessary when we're transitioning to lots of small battery storage.
Dinorwig's 9.1 GWh of storage is the equivalent of 140,000 vehicles with a 65 kWh battery, or the equivalent of 0.4% of the vehicles on the road.
Why spend billions on that, when we're transitioning anyway?
The amount of storage we will have in this country in a few years time utterly dwarfs anything imaginable today.
This is also spot on.
On the couple of occasions over the last few decades where there's been an issue with the fuel supply for domestic motor vehicles, we always see cases of people dangerously storing fuel in their sheds, etc.
This is because in a situation of scarcity people do not behave economically rationally, they hoard scarce resources rather than sell them.
The same would be true of fully charged car batteries. If there's a high pressure forecast for a week, and even if a fully charged battery would normally last a person for a month of driving, rather than sell their excess energy for a profit, most people will want to hang onto it, just in case.
That is ultimately why there will be a market for grid scale storage owned by people willing to sell their energy at a profit when energy is scarce.
With that said... if power was properly priced, then people would make economically rational decisions about when to use it too.
If it costs you £5 to run the dishwasher now, then maybe you'll postpone it.
I dunno. I think that would be very unpopular and wouldn't last long in most democracies.
Economics is the study of the efficient allocation of scarce resources.
A lot of stuff we do is hiding those real choices from people, by making things that are scarce appear unlimited.
FWIW - in some Swiss cantons, from the 1970s, they've had households with two electrical circuits. One of which was only on during periods of low electricity prices. So, you can put your dishwasher on there if you like, and not get to use it for half the day... but when you do use it, it costs a lot less. It doesn't seem to have caused them terrible problems.
Isn’t that just the same as the old Economy 7 meters?
In my old flat, didn’t have gas - the heating was storage heaters on Economy 7, and the hot water was a cylinder running on the same.
I’ve avoided a smart meter, not due to woke or any other shite like that, due to their reported unreliability.
Are they okay now, is it worth getting one ?
Been considering it.
Yes, they're fine now
Absolutely
EDF have given me 4 consecutive Sundays with free electricity between 8am and midnight due to my use of electricity out of peak times and all because I have a smart meter
Anyone who allowed a smart meter to be installed is a fool, its networked.....sooner or later you will have script kiddies turning them off for fun. They are less secure than an essex girls virginity
I have no idea about Essex girls, but safe to say I monitor it regularly with all the data and it works well, and provides free electricity on occassions, not least 48 hours in May
Could I gently suggest to @Casino_Royale that he makes his way to Paris for June 28th. All your LBGTQIA+ questions will be answered there. Or you can have a bloody good time by going with the flow. And those guys in beards with the platform soles - just ignore their enthusiastic banter. They are out for a good time too.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
It's become a religion.
We live in a world where we are expected to celebrate for a month because someone likes it up the bum. 🌈 🤷🏼♂️
I’ve avoided a smart meter, not due to woke or any other shite like that, due to their reported unreliability.
Are they okay now, is it worth getting one ?
Been considering it.
Yes, they're fine now
Absolutely
EDF have given me 4 consecutive Sundays with free electricity between 8am and midnight due to my use of electricity out of peak times and all because I have a smart meter
Anyone who allowed a smart meter to be installed is a fool, its networked.....sooner or later you will have script kiddies turning them off for fun. They are less secure than an essex girls virginity
I have no idea about Essex girls, but safe to say I monitor it regularly with all the data and it works well, and provides free electricity on occassions, not least 48 hours in May
Could I gently suggest to @Casino_Royale that he makes his way to Paris for June 28th. All your LBGTQIA+ questions will be answered there. Or you can have a bloody good time by going with the flow. And those guys in beards with the platform soles - just ignore their enthusiastic banter. They are out for a good time too.
I'm in Paris that weekend. My plan was the David Hockney show on Saturday though and the Orsay on Sunday morning as that has a exhibition I fancy seeing that closes the following week.
Got to say it's a very stupid way to get from London to home, via Paris and Manchester...
I like companies that celebrate Pride Month while simultaneously celebrating their latest contract in a country where you get locked up for being gay.
Some companies that wave the Pride flag, would probably buy advertising on the side of the buildings gay people were being thrown off, if fashioned moved that way.
£-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.
I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.
If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
It is, but I doubt anything similar will be built again as it will very soon be cheaper to replicate its capabilities with a large battery storage facility.
I believe it cost around £425m, forty years ago. It would be nearer £1.5bn today, I think ?
Large battery storage isn't even that necessary when we're transitioning to lots of small battery storage.
Dinorwig's 9.1 GWh of storage is the equivalent of 140,000 vehicles with a 65 kWh battery, or the equivalent of 0.4% of the vehicles on the road.
Why spend billions on that, when we're transitioning anyway?
The amount of storage we will have in this country in a few years time utterly dwarfs anything imaginable today.
This is also spot on.
On the couple of occasions over the last few decades where there's been an issue with the fuel supply for domestic motor vehicles, we always see cases of people dangerously storing fuel in their sheds, etc.
This is because in a situation of scarcity people do not behave economically rationally, they hoard scarce resources rather than sell them.
The same would be true of fully charged car batteries. If there's a high pressure forecast for a week, and even if a fully charged battery would normally last a person for a month of driving, rather than sell their excess energy for a profit, most people will want to hang onto it, just in case.
That is ultimately why there will be a market for grid scale storage owned by people willing to sell their energy at a profit when energy is scarce.
With that said... if power was properly priced, then people would make economically rational decisions about when to use it too.
If it costs you £5 to run the dishwasher now, then maybe you'll postpone it.
I dunno. I think that would be very unpopular and wouldn't last long in most democracies.
Economics is the study of the efficient allocation of scarce resources.
A lot of stuff we do is hiding those real choices from people, by making things that are scarce appear unlimited.
FWIW - in some Swiss cantons, from the 1970s, they've had households with two electrical circuits. One of which was only on during periods of low electricity prices. So, you can put your dishwasher on there if you like, and not get to use it for half the day... but when you do use it, it costs a lot less. It doesn't seem to have caused them terrible problems.
Isn’t that just the same as the old Economy 7 meters?
£-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.
I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.
If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
It is, but I doubt anything similar will be built again as it will very soon be cheaper to replicate its capabilities with a large battery storage facility.
I believe it cost around £425m, forty years ago. It would be nearer £1.5bn today, I think ?
Large battery storage isn't even that necessary when we're transitioning to lots of small battery storage.
Dinorwig's 9.1 GWh of storage is the equivalent of 140,000 vehicles with a 65 kWh battery, or the equivalent of 0.4% of the vehicles on the road.
Why spend billions on that, when we're transitioning anyway?
The amount of storage we will have in this country in a few years time utterly dwarfs anything imaginable today.
This is also spot on.
On the couple of occasions over the last few decades where there's been an issue with the fuel supply for domestic motor vehicles, we always see cases of people dangerously storing fuel in their sheds, etc.
This is because in a situation of scarcity people do not behave economically rationally, they hoard scarce resources rather than sell them.
The same would be true of fully charged car batteries. If there's a high pressure forecast for a week, and even if a fully charged battery would normally last a person for a month of driving, rather than sell their excess energy for a profit, most people will want to hang onto it, just in case.
That is ultimately why there will be a market for grid scale storage owned by people willing to sell their energy at a profit when energy is scarce.
With that said... if power was properly priced, then people would make economically rational decisions about when to use it too.
If it costs you £5 to run the dishwasher now, then maybe you'll postpone it.
I dunno. I think that would be very unpopular and wouldn't last long in most democracies.
Economics is the study of the efficient allocation of scarce resources.
A lot of stuff we do is hiding those real choices from people, by making things that are scarce appear unlimited.
FWIW - in some Swiss cantons, from the 1970s, they've had households with two electrical circuits. One of which was only on during periods of low electricity prices. So, you can put your dishwasher on there if you like, and not get to use it for half the day... but when you do use it, it costs a lot less. It doesn't seem to have caused them terrible problems.
Isn’t that just the same as the old Economy 7 meters?
Same concept, certainly.
Thinking about this afternoon's conversations, I'm reminded of the power of the slogan "Take Back Control." It's something we all want, but can't all have. Unless we have individual biomes, I guess.
It's understandable that people don't want to hand over control of their electricity supply... Even if the control we currently have is probably less absolute than we realise.
And businesses making woke noises we don't like... Again, a pushback is understandable. Though in the end, the only way to escape that is to not be employed...
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Just wait until you hear how long Christmas lasts.
And Easter eggs are available from around New Years onwards.
Start seeing Poppies just after Bonfire Night.
That things spread out over time is hardly unique.
M&S gluten-free hot cross buns are available year round.
Twice my wife has bought them instead of the regular version. They are bloody awful.
£8 for a pint of Neck Oil at Leeds Bradford Airport. FFS. Dearest pint in West Yorkshire?
Thank feck I'm on expenses.
You’ll pay £7 for a Neck Oil in Leeds city centre these days so for an airport that seems rather reasonable
In Leeds I'd be drinking a decent pint of cask ale rather than gimmicky fizz served up in a stupid glass. It was either this or one of several lagers, including the well known authentic brew from Spain's capital city.
£-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.
I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.
If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
It is, but I doubt anything similar will be built again as it will very soon be cheaper to replicate its capabilities with a large battery storage facility.
I believe it cost around £425m, forty years ago. It would be nearer £1.5bn today, I think ?
Large battery storage isn't even that necessary when we're transitioning to lots of small battery storage.
Dinorwig's 9.1 GWh of storage is the equivalent of 140,000 vehicles with a 65 kWh battery, or the equivalent of 0.4% of the vehicles on the road.
Why spend billions on that, when we're transitioning anyway?
The amount of storage we will have in this country in a few years time utterly dwarfs anything imaginable today.
This is also spot on.
On the couple of occasions over the last few decades where there's been an issue with the fuel supply for domestic motor vehicles, we always see cases of people dangerously storing fuel in their sheds, etc.
This is because in a situation of scarcity people do not behave economically rationally, they hoard scarce resources rather than sell them.
The same would be true of fully charged car batteries. If there's a high pressure forecast for a week, and even if a fully charged battery would normally last a person for a month of driving, rather than sell their excess energy for a profit, most people will want to hang onto it, just in case.
That is ultimately why there will be a market for grid scale storage owned by people willing to sell their energy at a profit when energy is scarce.
With that said... if power was properly priced, then people would make economically rational decisions about when to use it too.
If it costs you £5 to run the dishwasher now, then maybe you'll postpone it.
I dunno. I think that would be very unpopular and wouldn't last long in most democracies.
You can do it now with octopus, you just set your dishwasher/washing machine to start in x hours which all new ones can do. Just like you set your car to charge
People are used to the convenience of being able to use electricity when they want. A few geeks will enjoy playing the system and looking at the numbers, but most people will see it as a nuisance and a step backwards.
Household chores are enough of a hassle without having to plan them with the aid of the weather forecast. That's why people pay for a dishwasher, or a robot vacuum cleaner/lawnmower. They don't want to micromanage the whole thing.
It doesn't require micromanagement, there's a cheap nighttime tariff and you press start in 3 / 6 / x hours. People who do save a few pence, it helps the grid balance. When 2 way car chargers are available again then people will use their EV as a domestic battery. It is where it will go because it evens out demand.
Don't be daft few will use their car as a domestic battery, simple reason is they don't want to go to the car to go somewhere and find the car hasn't enough charge for where they want to go because the wind wasn't blowing in buttfuck nowhere
I would quite happily use my car as a domestic battery backup if I had one and if I had the electronics to make it work.
A typical household battery is 5-10 kWh, a typically car battery is 60-70 kWh. You could use the car battery as a domestic one and it would only take about 15% of the power - plus of course most inverter setups will stop the drain of the battery when it gets to a defined percentage anyway.
If you have an inverter setup you can just plug it in when at home and forget about it, draining when needed, and charging when its cheap, with no worries.
My petrol car doesn't normally sit on my driveway 100% full of petrol either, I allow the tank to drain and only refill it when there's only a few miles left in the tank.
That inverter setups are more expensive is a bigger reason most won't do it.
You would until the first time you go out in the morning to drive somewhere and find you no longer have the charge for it due to your battery being drained for domestic use. You analogy to your petrol car is pointless as your petrol car is not being drained of fuel to supply your house it has the same amount of petrol in it as when you parked it. I doubt very much you park it with hardly any petrol in knowing you have to drive 100 miles the following day.
The situation using a car to power your house is exactly the opposite....you park it has more than enough power to get you where you need to be tomorrow...but then the battery is drained because there is insufficient wind and when you goto leave in the morning you no longer have sufficient power in the battery.
It will happen to people precisely once before they go fuck that, my car isn't powering the house
In all the systems proposed, you can reserve capacity. So you’d reserve, say, 70% of your car’s capacity. If the level of charge falls to 70%, no more export.
That’s how the Tesla PowerWall setup in California works.
£-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.
I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.
If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
It is, but I doubt anything similar will be built again as it will very soon be cheaper to replicate its capabilities with a large battery storage facility.
I believe it cost around £425m, forty years ago. It would be nearer £1.5bn today, I think ?
Large battery storage isn't even that necessary when we're transitioning to lots of small battery storage.
Dinorwig's 9.1 GWh of storage is the equivalent of 140,000 vehicles with a 65 kWh battery, or the equivalent of 0.4% of the vehicles on the road.
Why spend billions on that, when we're transitioning anyway?
The amount of storage we will have in this country in a few years time utterly dwarfs anything imaginable today.
This is also spot on.
On the couple of occasions over the last few decades where there's been an issue with the fuel supply for domestic motor vehicles, we always see cases of people dangerously storing fuel in their sheds, etc.
This is because in a situation of scarcity people do not behave economically rationally, they hoard scarce resources rather than sell them.
The same would be true of fully charged car batteries. If there's a high pressure forecast for a week, and even if a fully charged battery would normally last a person for a month of driving, rather than sell their excess energy for a profit, most people will want to hang onto it, just in case.
That is ultimately why there will be a market for grid scale storage owned by people willing to sell their energy at a profit when energy is scarce.
With that said... if power was properly priced, then people would make economically rational decisions about when to use it too.
If it costs you £5 to run the dishwasher now, then maybe you'll postpone it.
I dunno. I think that would be very unpopular and wouldn't last long in most democracies.
Economics is the study of the efficient allocation of scarce resources.
A lot of stuff we do is hiding those real choices from people, by making things that are scarce appear unlimited.
FWIW - in some Swiss cantons, from the 1970s, they've had households with two electrical circuits. One of which was only on during periods of low electricity prices. So, you can put your dishwasher on there if you like, and not get to use it for half the day... but when you do use it, it costs a lot less. It doesn't seem to have caused them terrible problems.
Isn’t that just the same as the old Economy 7 meters?
Same concept, certainly.
Thinking about this afternoon's conversations, I'm reminded of the power of the slogan "Take Back Control." It's something we all want, but can't all have. Unless we have individual biomes, I guess.
It's understandable that people don't want to hand over control of their electricity supply... Even if the control we currently have is probably less absolute than we realise.
And businesses making woke noises we don't like... Again, a pushback is understandable. Though in the end, the only way to escape that is to not be employed...
The problem I am raising about smart meters is not about having less control as such, its more you are potentially you are handing control to the sort of random people who think swatting people is a bit of a laugh.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
Companies are not free to take on whatever policies they see fit. They have to comply with all sorts of regulations on diversity and equality.
Like what? They have to not discriminate on protected characteristics, but I can’t think of much they have to comply with in terms of “regulations on diversity and equality”. Cite some legislation if this is true.
It's not enough not to discriminate; they have to prove they are not discriminating. They are also obliged to publish details about their compliance with diversity targets for women and ethnic minorities in the boardroom.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
If its universal, then why do so many people not have this "problem"?
What seems to be universal is that events happen that people are free to take part in, if they choose to do so.
That people are scorned or suspect or anything else if they don't take part in one event does not seem to be remotely universal.
Just live and let live.
You must be the world's most boring man
I assume you've ran out of arguments to bitch and moan about now that you're just turning personal and silly.
I was responding to the statements and not turning personal.
If people want to celebrate Christmas for a month instead of a day, or wear poppies for a month instead of a day, or wear a lanyard for a month instead of a day, just let them. If you don't want to, then don't, its not mandatory.
If people want to do something they enjoy, then there's no harm in that. You don't need to take part, but you don't need to object either.
Your view is that on every subject you can win an argument simply by being more relentless and repetitive than everyone else, and always having the last word.
It doesn't work like that.
Doubtless you'll respond to this and claim some sort of victory - you simply won't be able to help yourself - but I'm happy with the points I've made and that I've addressed yours.
I won't be engaging with you further.
Nothing like a bit of Blue on Blue action!
The right seems so obsessed with the minutiae of cultural issues, nowadays, that they have lost sight of the masses of ordinary folk simply wanting the country to work and to have the chance to improve their lives. That Farage at least has this on his radar screen, whereas the Tories do not, explains a lot.
It is probably more of a social media thing than a left/right thing. Spend too much time on twatter and its sister sites, become a cultural bore, whether on the left or right. Live more offline, those are subjects that can be joked about, enjoyed or ignored as preferred.
I like companies that celebrate Pride Month while simultaneously celebrating their latest contract in a country where you get locked up for being gay.
I like companies and charities and government bodies that celebrate Pride month even as they celebrate mass migration from the most homophobic places on earth, thereby guaranteeing that some way down the line the latter phenomenon will menace or destroy the first
See how the most homophobic place in the UK is…. London
At least the entire thing hasn't been mercilessly monetised
£-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.
I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.
If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
It is, but I doubt anything similar will be built again as it will very soon be cheaper to replicate its capabilities with a large battery storage facility.
I believe it cost around £425m, forty years ago. It would be nearer £1.5bn today, I think ?
Large battery storage isn't even that necessary when we're transitioning to lots of small battery storage.
Dinorwig's 9.1 GWh of storage is the equivalent of 140,000 vehicles with a 65 kWh battery, or the equivalent of 0.4% of the vehicles on the road.
Why spend billions on that, when we're transitioning anyway?
The amount of storage we will have in this country in a few years time utterly dwarfs anything imaginable today.
This is also spot on.
On the couple of occasions over the last few decades where there's been an issue with the fuel supply for domestic motor vehicles, we always see cases of people dangerously storing fuel in their sheds, etc.
This is because in a situation of scarcity people do not behave economically rationally, they hoard scarce resources rather than sell them.
The same would be true of fully charged car batteries. If there's a high pressure forecast for a week, and even if a fully charged battery would normally last a person for a month of driving, rather than sell their excess energy for a profit, most people will want to hang onto it, just in case.
That is ultimately why there will be a market for grid scale storage owned by people willing to sell their energy at a profit when energy is scarce.
With that said... if power was properly priced, then people would make economically rational decisions about when to use it too.
If it costs you £5 to run the dishwasher now, then maybe you'll postpone it.
I dunno. I think that would be very unpopular and wouldn't last long in most democracies.
Economics is the study of the efficient allocation of scarce resources.
A lot of stuff we do is hiding those real choices from people, by making things that are scarce appear unlimited.
FWIW - in some Swiss cantons, from the 1970s, they've had households with two electrical circuits. One of which was only on during periods of low electricity prices. So, you can put your dishwasher on there if you like, and not get to use it for half the day... but when you do use it, it costs a lot less. It doesn't seem to have caused them terrible problems.
Isn’t that just the same as the old Economy 7 meters?
Economy 7 has two meters, but only one circuit.
In my old flat, I had two fuse boxes - one for the Economy 7 circuit and one for the regular. IIRC the timing system for the Economy 7 was run for the whole block from the services cupboard.
I like companies that celebrate Pride Month while simultaneously celebrating their latest contract in a country where you get locked up for being gay.
I like companies and charities and government bodies that celebrate Pride month even as they celebrate mass migration from the most homophobic places on earth, thereby guaranteeing that some way down the line the latter phenomenon will menace or destroy the first
See how the most homophobic place in the UK is…. London
At least the entire thing hasn't been mercilessly monetised
At some point the cognitive dissonance that comes from enthusing about mass migration even as it endangers women and homosexuals firstly and mostly, will become too much to bear, and millions of liberal brains will melt, perhaps liberal society itself
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
It's become a religion.
We live in a world where we are expected to celebrate for a month because someone likes it up the bum. 🌈 🤷🏼♂️
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
Companies are not free to take on whatever policies they see fit. They have to comply with all sorts of regulations on diversity and equality.
Like what? They have to not discriminate on protected characteristics, but I can’t think of much they have to comply with in terms of “regulations on diversity and equality”. Cite some legislation if this is true.
Don't you find the whole concept of "protected characteristics" ridiculous?
No. Because pregnancy is a protected characteristic and if it wasn’t women could be sacked for getting pregnant. I don’t favour that. Do you?
It goes without saying that nobody should be unfairly sacked, whatever the reason is.
I am now drinking excellent Luxembourg Pinot Gris from Schengen in the 18th century dining room of the Chateau de Schengen in Schengen while literally staring at the stretch of Moselle in Schengen where the Schengen Agreement was signed on a boat, owned by someone in Schengen near where I’m staying in Schengen in the Chateau de Schengen
If I burp over my foie gras I’m going to look up at the other offended diners and say “Better off out!”
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
It's become a religion.
We live in a world where we are expected to celebrate for a month because someone likes it up the bum. 🌈 🤷🏼♂️
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
If its universal, then why do so many people not have this "problem"?
What seems to be universal is that events happen that people are free to take part in, if they choose to do so.
That people are scorned or suspect or anything else if they don't take part in one event does not seem to be remotely universal.
Just live and let live.
You must be the world's most boring man
I assume you've ran out of arguments to bitch and moan about now that you're just turning personal and silly.
I was responding to the statements and not turning personal.
If people want to celebrate Christmas for a month instead of a day, or wear poppies for a month instead of a day, or wear a lanyard for a month instead of a day, just let them. If you don't want to, then don't, its not mandatory.
If people want to do something they enjoy, then there's no harm in that. You don't need to take part, but you don't need to object either.
Your view is that on every subject you can win an argument simply by being more relentless and repetitive than everyone else, and always having the last word.
It doesn't work like that.
Doubtless you'll respond to this and claim some sort of victory - you simply won't be able to help yourself - but I'm happy with the points I've made and that I've addressed yours.
I won't be engaging with you further.
Nothing like a bit of Blue on Blue action!
The right seems so obsessed with the minutiae of cultural issues, nowadays, that they have lost sight of the masses of ordinary folk simply wanting the country to work and to have the chance to improve their lives. That Farage at least has this on his radar screen, whereas the Tories do not, explains a lot.
It is probably more of a social media thing than a left/right thing. Spend too much time on twatter and its sister sites, become a cultural bore, whether on the left or right. Live more offline, those are subjects that can be joked about, enjoyed or ignored as preferred.
People joke about me being a luddite because I don't carry my smart phone out of the house. I think the smart meter issue proves my point
Every technology has its upsides and downsides, as a techie I am probably more aware of some of them than others
Each time an individual embraces a technology they should weigh up the benefit/danger ratio
I have been a software engineer since 1997 so grew up with the internet and technology and use it all the time.
However the benefits of
Social media Carrying a smart phone everywhere Smart meters, Driving a modern car, Home office version of id cards where its backed by a db containing all your personal data
To me at least dont outweigh the dangers they pose
My worry is people like BigG really don't realise for example how vulnerable a smart meter actually is to malicious actors
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
Companies are not free to take on whatever policies they see fit. They have to comply with all sorts of regulations on diversity and equality.
Like what? They have to not discriminate on protected characteristics, but I can’t think of much they have to comply with in terms of “regulations on diversity and equality”. Cite some legislation if this is true.
Don't you find the whole concept of "protected characteristics" ridiculous?
No. Because pregnancy is a protected characteristic and if it wasn’t women could be sacked for getting pregnant. I don’t favour that. Do you?
It goes without saying that nobody should be unfairly sacked, whatever the reason is.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
Companies are not free to take on whatever policies they see fit. They have to comply with all sorts of regulations on diversity and equality.
Like what? They have to not discriminate on protected characteristics, but I can’t think of much they have to comply with in terms of “regulations on diversity and equality”. Cite some legislation if this is true.
Don't you find the whole concept of "protected characteristics" ridiculous?
No. Because pregnancy is a protected characteristic and if it wasn’t women could be sacked for getting pregnant. I don’t favour that. Do you?
It goes without saying that nobody should be unfairly sacked, whatever the reason is.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
Companies are not free to take on whatever policies they see fit. They have to comply with all sorts of regulations on diversity and equality.
Like what? They have to not discriminate on protected characteristics, but I can’t think of much they have to comply with in terms of “regulations on diversity and equality”. Cite some legislation if this is true.
Don't you find the whole concept of "protected characteristics" ridiculous?
No. Because pregnancy is a protected characteristic and if it wasn’t women could be sacked for getting pregnant. I don’t favour that. Do you?
It goes without saying that nobody should be unfairly sacked, whatever the reason is.
The law has to define what “unfairly” means.
The law is an ass and the last people I would trust to define it
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
Companies are not free to take on whatever policies they see fit. They have to comply with all sorts of regulations on diversity and equality.
Like what? They have to not discriminate on protected characteristics, but I can’t think of much they have to comply with in terms of “regulations on diversity and equality”. Cite some legislation if this is true.
Don't you find the whole concept of "protected characteristics" ridiculous?
No. Because pregnancy is a protected characteristic and if it wasn’t women could be sacked for getting pregnant. I don’t favour that. Do you?
It goes without saying that nobody should be unfairly sacked, whatever the reason is.
So… how do you enforce that? Are there some characteristics it’s unfair to sack someone for and some it’s OK?
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
Companies are not free to take on whatever policies they see fit. They have to comply with all sorts of regulations on diversity and equality.
Like what? They have to not discriminate on protected characteristics, but I can’t think of much they have to comply with in terms of “regulations on diversity and equality”. Cite some legislation if this is true.
Don't you find the whole concept of "protected characteristics" ridiculous?
No. Because pregnancy is a protected characteristic and if it wasn’t women could be sacked for getting pregnant. I don’t favour that. Do you?
It goes without saying that nobody should be unfairly sacked, whatever the reason is.
The law has to define what “unfairly” means.
The law is an ass and the last people I would trust to define it
That’s all very well and good but it still needs to be defined if you want to make it unlawful.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
Companies are not free to take on whatever policies they see fit. They have to comply with all sorts of regulations on diversity and equality.
Like what? They have to not discriminate on protected characteristics, but I can’t think of much they have to comply with in terms of “regulations on diversity and equality”. Cite some legislation if this is true.
Don't you find the whole concept of "protected characteristics" ridiculous?
No. Because pregnancy is a protected characteristic and if it wasn’t women could be sacked for getting pregnant. I don’t favour that. Do you?
It goes without saying that nobody should be unfairly sacked, whatever the reason is.
The law has to define what “unfairly” means.
The law is an ass and the last people I would trust to define it
That’s all very well and good but it still needs to be defined if you want to make it unlawful.
It shouldn't be defined by pondscum....sorry I meant lawyers
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
If its universal, then why do so many people not have this "problem"?
What seems to be universal is that events happen that people are free to take part in, if they choose to do so.
That people are scorned or suspect or anything else if they don't take part in one event does not seem to be remotely universal.
Just live and let live.
You must be the world's most boring man
I assume you've ran out of arguments to bitch and moan about now that you're just turning personal and silly.
I was responding to the statements and not turning personal.
If people want to celebrate Christmas for a month instead of a day, or wear poppies for a month instead of a day, or wear a lanyard for a month instead of a day, just let them. If you don't want to, then don't, its not mandatory.
If people want to do something they enjoy, then there's no harm in that. You don't need to take part, but you don't need to object either.
Your view is that on every subject you can win an argument simply by being more relentless and repetitive than everyone else, and always having the last word.
It doesn't work like that.
Doubtless you'll respond to this and claim some sort of victory - you simply won't be able to help yourself - but I'm happy with the points I've made and that I've addressed yours.
I won't be engaging with you further.
Nothing like a bit of Blue on Blue action!
The right seems so obsessed with the minutiae of cultural issues, nowadays, that they have lost sight of the masses of ordinary folk simply wanting the country to work and to have the chance to improve their lives. That Farage at least has this on his radar screen, whereas the Tories do not, explains a lot.
It is probably more of a social media thing than a left/right thing. Spend too much time on twatter and its sister sites, become a cultural bore, whether on the left or right. Live more offline, those are subjects that can be joked about, enjoyed or ignored as preferred.
People joke about me being a luddite because I don't carry my smart phone out of the house. I think the smart meter issue proves my point
Every technology has its upsides and downsides, as a techie I am probably more aware of some of them than others
Each time an individual embraces a technology they should weigh up the benefit/danger ratio
I have been a software engineer since 1997 so grew up with the internet and technology and use it all the time.
However the benefits of
Social media Carrying a smart phone everywhere Smart meters, Driving a modern car, Home office version of id cards where its backed by a db containing all your personal data
To me at least dont outweigh the dangers they pose
My worry is people like BigG really don't realise for example how vulnerable a smart meter actually is to malicious actors
Dont worry about me
I am 81, and my wife 85, and if our energy supplier gives us 48 hours free electricity in a month due to the use of a smart meter than that is fine by us not least because my wife is a Scot who loves a bargain
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
That's not a real choice, though. This is universal in the corporate world now.
Thankfully, there is a pushback - but it needs a real shove to tip it out the system.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve encountered the proactive shite twice in a long career.
That and the time HR fucked up booking a resteraunt, because they had no idea of actual diversity.
Er, yes it is. And I suspect I've worked for more clients in more sectors than you have.
This is just denialism: people veer between saying the problem doesn't exist or that it does but that's your problem.
Some companies think diversity is important and spend money on it.
Some companies employ people who think it's important
My viewpoint is that it's irrelevant to me but if people think it's important that's fine by me.
I really don't see why people get worked up about it...
Then, you need to work harder to educate yourself.
You will have to enlighten me because at the moment you remind me of
I have a philosophy of live and let live and I’m the one with a blind spot?
When did I ever say I'm not live and let live?
That's not how I'm being treated. This stuff is megaphoned into my ear every year for a month or more, like Steve Bray, and if you ever objected your career would be shot.
That's not live and let live. That's live in sufferance and try not to let it get to you.
We get two months in Manchester. Pride in June, Manchester Pride in August. There's also LBGT history month in February, but that' not really caught on yet. Give it time, mind.
Yes, this stuff is essentially all year round now.
It's become a religion.
We live in a world where we are expected to celebrate for a month because someone likes it up the bum. 🌈 🤷🏼♂️
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
Companies are not free to take on whatever policies they see fit. They have to comply with all sorts of regulations on diversity and equality.
Like what? They have to not discriminate on protected characteristics, but I can’t think of much they have to comply with in terms of “regulations on diversity and equality”. Cite some legislation if this is true.
Don't you find the whole concept of "protected characteristics" ridiculous?
No. Because pregnancy is a protected characteristic and if it wasn’t women could be sacked for getting pregnant. I don’t favour that. Do you?
It goes without saying that nobody should be unfairly sacked, whatever the reason is.
So… how do you enforce that? Are there some characteristics it’s unfair to sack someone for and some it’s OK?
It's more than sacking; ISTR one illustrious poster saying that he would never hire a vegan for his 'team', because they wouldn't fit in for... reasons.
Hiring practices matter as much as conditions and sackings/redundancies.
The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
That's a great analogy.
But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.
Who wants this shit?
I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.
Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
All companies are like this now. All of them.
The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.
So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.
I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.
It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.
You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.
Which one is it?
Where I've worked there's emails to 'Pride' events . . . and emails inviting to football games, basketball games, chess clubs, book clubs, craft clubs, and plenty of other things.
The general thing with social emails is to pick the ones you're interested in and ignore the rest.
So what if some people in your work want to do Pride activities? How is that affecting you whatsoever? If others are playing 5-a-side is that affecting you? Don't hear you moaning about that, but I imagine that's happening too?
If Pride is the only social stuff being organised, then it sounds like a pretty crappy place to work, but if its one amongst many, then why have a bee in your bonnet about what others choose to do?
You really don't get this, do you?
You have to be seen to champion, echo and be enthusiastic about this stuff, from a career perspective, or else you are suspect. It's a required belief. There is no choice.
This is the entire problem with Wokery. Which people like you and @Gallowgate cannot understand.
[PS. I don't have people talking to me about 5-a-side on every call for every day for a full month every year, and requiring me to applaud it or I'm seen as bigot. It's not remotely comparable.]
Why don't you resign? I've got friends who feel like this about Gaza and have turned down good jobs at arms companies as a result.
EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IS LIKE THIS. You can't escape.
The solution is political: either Woke is reined in, or it ends.
For example: Pride could go back to being a fun weekend and a march, fine, but no that wasn't enough. Now, its all of June and July and August at 110dB every single year and rainbow lanyards and flags all year round. It bores people at best and p1sses people off at worst.
Why? Because people don't like to be hectored but it's politically incorrect - and dangerous - to object so people feel even more frustrated because they can't say anything.
If you're not proportionate on anything and set rules around the right thing to say, or not say, you get a backlash.
The religious adherents can never see it, because they love it.
Companies are free to take on whatever policies they see fit; you're free to take on whatever job you fancy.
You're right that the solution is political - but I don't think you'll find much support for banning woke activity in private companies across wider society.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I feel this way about our lack of cycle infrastructure. Write to your MP, put up posters, make the argument here and elsewhere. Explain why it harms your business and/or society. Good luck, I guess.
Companies are not free to take on whatever policies they see fit. They have to comply with all sorts of regulations on diversity and equality.
Like what? They have to not discriminate on protected characteristics, but I can’t think of much they have to comply with in terms of “regulations on diversity and equality”. Cite some legislation if this is true.
Don't you find the whole concept of "protected characteristics" ridiculous?
No. Because pregnancy is a protected characteristic and if it wasn’t women could be sacked for getting pregnant. I don’t favour that. Do you?
It goes without saying that nobody should be unfairly sacked, whatever the reason is.
The law has to define what “unfairly” means.
The law is an ass and the last people I would trust to define it
That’s all very well and good but it still needs to be defined if you want to make it unlawful.
It shouldn't be defined by pondscum....sorry I meant lawyers
Well judges are lawyers and they are the ones who ultimately have to decide
Can’t believe they took The Chase off for this shite.
As a mostly non-football fan, I quite like women's football. Because it's like men's football but without all the silly stuff like pushing other players and arguing with the referee.
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Go, visit, stand on the rock Tom Baker stood on, and enjoy.
Completely nuts. (or not nuts, or indeterminate nuts, or false nuts, or imaginary nuts, or unimagined nuts)
It's coming. Don't you worry about that.
It's become a religion.
https://camra.org.uk/media-centre/press-releases/camra-congratulates-the-famous-five-pubs-5437
https://x.com/mrbrum43/status/1929599342421159990?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
£8 for a pint of Neck Oil at Leeds Bradford Airport. FFS. Dearest pint in West Yorkshire?
Thank feck I'm on expenses.
Also it means you've mentioned DPD online today and that by itself is worth a tiny bit of marketing value..
A typical household battery is 5-10 kWh, a typically car battery is 60-70 kWh. You could use the car battery as a domestic one and it would only take about 15% of the power - plus of course most inverter setups will stop the drain of the battery when it gets to a defined percentage anyway.
If you have an inverter setup you can just plug it in when at home and forget about it, draining when needed, and charging when its cheap, with no worries.
My petrol car doesn't normally sit on my driveway 100% full of petrol either, I allow the tank to drain and only refill it when there's only a few miles left in the tank.
That inverter setups are more expensive is a bigger reason most won't do it.
This is just a gold rush for the usual corporates which we may well live to regret.
As I mentioned yesterday my mate banged his head on the way out last time, as there’s a bit where the roof is low. The,locals,laughed 😂well we assumed they were locals.
In Japan you can get figures of bunnies on crosses at that time of year.
Until someone pointed out that the map of on shore wind farms correlates perfectly with the map of high probability of continuous wind.
Yes, they put the wind farms where the wind is.
The situation using a car to power your house is exactly the opposite....you park it has more than enough power to get you where you need to be tomorrow...but then the battery is drained because there is insufficient wind and when you goto leave in the morning you no longer have sufficient power in the battery.
It will happen to people precisely once before they go fuck that, my car isn't powering the house
I think there ought to be a word for people that are discomforted by the results of the free expression of sexuality. (Rather than being discomforted by the facts) - anyway I'd be a mild whatever the word might be.
A lot of stuff we do is hiding those real choices from people, by making things that are scarce appear unlimited.
FWIW - in some Swiss cantons, from the 1970s, they've had households with two electrical circuits. One of which was only on during periods of low electricity prices. So, you can put your dishwasher on there if you like, and not get to use it for half the day... but when you do use it, it costs a lot less. It doesn't seem to have caused them terrible problems.
We have a massive project ("Whitestone Solar Farm") locally which proposes to cover a significant proportion of the green space around Doncaster and Rotherham with panels.
All because we have lots of pylons from the coal era.
https://whitestonesolarfarm.co.uk/proposals/
Must we do this? Or could we keep it all in the built environment?
I have zero interest in the arsehole.
See how the most homophobic place in the UK is…. London
Classy.
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/fbi-finds-smart-meter-hacking-surprisingly-easy
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22608085
https://news.oregonstate.edu/news/osu-research-shows-how-hackers-can-target-smart-meters-destabilize-electricity-grid
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/29/smart-electricity-meters-dangerously-insecure-hackers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYowTR3Dfdk
Its not about if you monitor them its that people outside your house can control them
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cpvkd3ep28kt
https://parisjetaime.com/eng/event/the-gay-lesbian-bi-and-trans-pride-march-e029
Got to say it's a very stupid way to get from London to home, via Paris and Manchester...
Thinking about this afternoon's conversations, I'm reminded of the power of the slogan "Take Back Control." It's something we all want, but can't all have. Unless we have individual biomes, I guess.
It's understandable that people don't want to hand over control of their electricity supply... Even if the control we currently have is probably less absolute than we realise.
And businesses making woke noises we don't like... Again, a pushback is understandable. Though in the end, the only way to escape that is to not be employed...
That’s how the Tesla PowerWall setup in California works.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy5y3nz40k1o
But, not yet
No-one likes a religious bore preaching at them.
If I burp over my foie gras I’m going to look up at the other offended diners and say “Better off out!”
Every technology has its upsides and downsides, as a techie I am probably more aware of some of them than others
Each time an individual embraces a technology they should weigh up the benefit/danger ratio
I have been a software engineer since 1997 so grew up with the internet and technology and use it all the time.
However the benefits of
Social media
Carrying a smart phone everywhere
Smart meters,
Driving a modern car,
Home office version of id cards where its backed by a db containing all your personal data
To me at least dont outweigh the dangers they pose
My worry is people like BigG really don't realise for example how vulnerable a smart meter actually is to malicious actors
Define unfairly sacked?
@elonmusk
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I’m sorry, but I just can’t stand it anymore.
This massive, outrageous, pork-filled Congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination.
Shame on those who voted for it: you know you did wrong. You know it.
I can’t help it. I love foie gras
I am 81, and my wife 85, and if our energy supplier gives us 48 hours free electricity in a month due to the use of a smart meter than that is fine by us not least because my wife is a Scot who loves a bargain
Hiring practices matter as much as conditions and sackings/redundancies.